kurt busch vs. jimmy spencer the unseen footage

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  • @kenbellamy5096
    @kenbellamy5096 3 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    Who all just came from the podcast lol

    • @AndyL420
      @AndyL420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I remembered the incident, but I wanted to refresh the memory lol.

    • @Strelok762
      @Strelok762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup, I remembered the incident

    • @danielblaise156
      @danielblaise156 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What podcast? I just remember this happening lol

    • @craigsmith2132
      @craigsmith2132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@danielblaise156 the Dale Jr download, Spencer and the dude that was like his team member explains this

    • @thunderstruck184
      @thunderstruck184 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me

  • @terrygarvin1392
    @terrygarvin1392 3 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Kurt has maturity I never thought he was capable of, but back in the day I was rooting for Spencer to kick his butt...

  • @Landmasters
    @Landmasters 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I just realized. When Jimmy Spencer is yelling, he sounds tick for tat the same as Paul Heyman

    • @AMERICANLEGENDModelBuilder
      @AMERICANLEGENDModelBuilder 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤪 For real though

    • @mountaingoat595
      @mountaingoat595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he even is the same, brash, not a care in the world, speaks his mind no matter who its to

  • @nascarfan88ta
    @nascarfan88ta 8 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Joe Nemechek and the 25 team had a front row seat for it

    • @ericmonaco2276
      @ericmonaco2276 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      nascarfan88ta XD Front Row Joe

    • @DKrueger1994
      @DKrueger1994 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      hence the nickname "front row Joe", he sure got a good seat in the house

  • @edboulter1705
    @edboulter1705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    "unseen" is the perfect word for this video

  • @spudth
    @spudth 12 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Those were the days when someone had the balls to actually take a real swing when they fight!

    • @sexyworm1000
      @sexyworm1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He didn’t really swing at him it was a backhand that actually hit kurts hand into his own face

    • @purdyquibb
      @purdyquibb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@sexyworm1000 according to Spencer, who I have much more respect for than I ever did when we was racing called it "a little backhanded bitch slap" lol. Just watched dirty mo. Spencer is way more awesome than I thought lol.

    • @ronlefty
      @ronlefty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Takes more balls not to fight.

    • @DeGroatcollision
      @DeGroatcollision 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is a great era of stock cars those Taurus were fast , had great aero and got good fuel mileage, the Monte carlos were slowing down a tad and gearing up the improvements that would allow Jimmy Johnson to dominate with the car of tmrw , and even with all the things done to help the intrepids they were slow , so kudos to Spencer for even being in the fight with that 7 car.

  • @Rowdy_2469
    @Rowdy_2469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's too bad nobody filmed it

  • @timsteedman6560
    @timsteedman6560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I was at MIS that day and always listened to Jimmy on the scanner. We saw Busch messing with Jimmy and heard Spencer tell his spotter to tell that 97 car one more time and he was getting an asskicking after the race. When we got home and turned on RPM tonight there it was Spencer punched Busch, had to love Spencer!!!

  • @hopeful9723
    @hopeful9723 12 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    normally i would agree, but Kurt deserved this one. and Jimmy delivered it to him royally

  • @evanwilliams6406
    @evanwilliams6406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Jimmy tells the story in the Dale Jr. download of what truly happened. Kurt actually incited Jimmy and swung at him first. Jimmy's actually landed.

    • @therealRustyShackleford
      @therealRustyShackleford 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Just watched that. That's what brought me here.

    • @joshhenderson5242
      @joshhenderson5242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah sure don’t hear Kurt threaten his family. Spencer is so full of shit. He also said Kurt parked his car in front of Spencer’s car and waved him over. Sounded like Spencer was yelling instantly for Kurt to get out so he could fight. Again Spencer’s story doesn’t add up.

    • @chrisg4305
      @chrisg4305 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Chris Slate Orange Man Bad

    • @odnamsrazor2364
      @odnamsrazor2364 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      a driver, seated in his car, is trying to "hit" you from his racing seat? to even attempt that, Spencer would have had to have had his head entirely in the window and be spitting in Kurt's face.
      .
      yeah, wtf ever. if you're dumb enough to believe that Spencer was entirely innocent until that ( whatever it was ) happened, you're dumb enough to believe that Spencer never screwed other drivers over.
      .
      when he was notorious for doing just that.

  • @rt1110
    @rt1110 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    “You’re done, you’re finished, it’s over for you!” -Kurt Busch

  • @pashedmotatos
    @pashedmotatos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "get out of that car motherfucker. come on!" lol

  • @DoubleT4596
    @DoubleT4596 11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    two of the most hot headed drivers out there, couldn't be anymore perfect.

  • @michaelmcdonald3268
    @michaelmcdonald3268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kurt Busch at this moment then, he was ruthless & didn't care about anyone but himself, but always got in trouble all the time

  • @BackRowRacing98
    @BackRowRacing98 12 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I guess it's a tradition to get punched by old timer in the Busch family.

  • @redguysimracing2382
    @redguysimracing2382 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anybody here after the podcast?

  • @jamesricketts584
    @jamesricketts584 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Busch said he had to have cosmetic surgery. Which Spencer replied ." It was an improvement"

    • @highwayman7199
      @highwayman7199 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ya.... his ear job.

    • @MrBurney12
      @MrBurney12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Didn't he get his ears fixed before this? Lol

    • @milojanis4901
      @milojanis4901 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      IDK, but he got 'em boxed that day, and for free!

  • @PYLrulz1984
    @PYLrulz1984 15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @smcnew97
    So when someone is trying to cut down your tire at a high speed track like Michigan, you wouldn't be tempted to punch the other driver out?

  • @nicestoriesnottherealstori3006
    @nicestoriesnottherealstori3006 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know the NASCAR In-Car and Hot Pass archives are mostly lost media now.

  • @alexcasares7401
    @alexcasares7401 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1:54 Rush Hour in a nutshell

  • @RingoYote71
    @RingoYote71 16 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    listen and you can hear jimmy screaming "WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR!" or somthing

  • @PYLrulz1984
    @PYLrulz1984 15 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did you not listen to the transmission that Kurt sends to his team? If that isn't an admission, then what would?

  • @llama62
    @llama62 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who the hell is fittipaldi and how was he in 7th at lap 150?

    • @NotSteveCook
      @NotSteveCook ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Christian Fittipaldi. 1991 International F3000 (Formula 2) champion, 3 year F1 veteran, 1995 Indy 500 Rookie of the year, 2000 California 500 winner. Emerson's nephew.

  • @TheGreatest2481
    @TheGreatest2481 15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kurt's car ran out of gas. He ran out of gas with a lap and a half left in the race. He got a splash to finish the race and thats why he ran out in the garage are.

    • @donnlowe9129
      @donnlowe9129 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jack Rousch checked out Kurt's car and said he hadn't run out of gas.

  • @gradyhipley3473
    @gradyhipley3473 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I remember this all too well. But I never saw this footage until about a year ago.

  • @gordo39432
    @gordo39432 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i hate how whenever there's a confrontation or something they get the "authorities" involved... fans love that stuff it's great for the sport i think... it shows the drivers are passionate about what they do and it helps put an end to the stereotype of "oh nascar is just a bunch of guys driving around in circles"

  • @jsvkia1
    @jsvkia1 12 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Jimmy Spencer is the fucking man!!! how can anybody hate this guy? he's such a badass....all the busch brothers do is talk shit...Jimmy Spencer actually punches you!

    • @MaryandMocha
      @MaryandMocha 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      such a bad ass. Kyle Busch has 38 cup wins and Kurt Busch has 29 cup Wins. Jimmy had 2 cup wins in 18 years of racing. The only races Jimmy won were the ones to the concession stands. Real bad ass.

    • @nr92cp6
      @nr92cp6 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, all the Busch brother do is talk shit...and win championships.

  • @jeankepler
    @jeankepler 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @SaintBEEP It's the european source that shows onboards while the one from USA keeps showing the 100 2h long comercials.

  • @JarettShuey
    @JarettShuey 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And still unseen, seeing how that video shows absolutely nothing

  • @jesseemullen
    @jesseemullen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone have a transcript of what Spencer says? All I could understand was "Get out of that car! Come on!"

    • @zanetupper4977
      @zanetupper4977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can’t hear but I think Kurt says “what the fuck was that?!”

  • @ARUSApacecarHAMPTON
    @ARUSApacecarHAMPTON 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And Dale Sr telling Jr never make Jimmie Spencer mad. Dale taught Jr well.

  • @kscozz2448
    @kscozz2448 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HILARIOUS!!! thanks for posting!!

  • @Cobra51607
    @Cobra51607 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    nahhh, kyle is a much better driver...kyle can put his car in a spot when theres not even a spot to put it in, hes not afraid to push the car to its limit and get up on the wheel

  • @1959GKevin
    @1959GKevin 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He's never going to learn, any bet's as to how long he'll have another meltdown, on track or off ?

    • @Borchert97
      @Borchert97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah this comment aged like milk, you love to see it.

  • @e521soediv
    @e521soediv 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    what year was this?

  • @davidschmude
    @davidschmude 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kurt Busch - 34 Cup victories and 1 championship
    Jimmy Spencer - 2 Cup wins. No championships.
    Nuff said.

  • @EricEllis-b2m
    @EricEllis-b2m 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jimmy just gave Kurt what he had coming to him.

  • @larryplummer9154
    @larryplummer9154 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unseen? Didnt see anything we already haven't

  • @PYLrulz1984
    @PYLrulz1984 15 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Still remember this. Was absolute bullshit that Kurt got a slap in the wrist, while Jimmy Spencer got suspended a race.
    Yes, Jimmy should of been punished, but if anybody deserved to be suspended, it was Kurt, not Jimmy. The guy even admitted, with the world to hear it, pretty much admit that he tried to intentionally cut down Jimmy Spencers tire.

  • @dorothybenson6710
    @dorothybenson6710 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:37 is that water?

  • @UltimateEEnEFan
    @UltimateEEnEFan 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cant even see them. ware are they?

  • @gswizzy17
    @gswizzy17 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    when was the punch

  • @jraybay
    @jraybay 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    lol kurt was just playin with jimmy on the track. those were the days when kurt was quick .
    " jimmy got out of his car approached kurt busch and actually pawnched kurt busch" lol

  • @dabest70
    @dabest70  11 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    um get your Facts straight before making a false comment! jimmy broke Kurt's nose.....big difference

    • @dennis8445
      @dennis8445 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks for sharing about the broken nose you just made my day. I wish his brother was standing there so he could have given him the same thing.

    • @waynecraft6492
      @waynecraft6492 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dennis I couldn't agree with you more. I hate them both.

  • @coca-colatrackhousewarrior9925
    @coca-colatrackhousewarrior9925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:55: Who let Dan Schneider work on a NASCAR?

  • @WastdTrashPanda
    @WastdTrashPanda 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I say it because most people in the sport now days dont know junior johnson

  • @davewah3
    @davewah3 16 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I used to not like Kurt much, but I appreciate it when drivers like Kurt/Juan Pablo stick it out with a team through the struggles, too. They both know they are capable drivers and finally their loyalty to their respective teams through a couple hard years is starting to pay off.

  • @UnionKid15
    @UnionKid15 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember this back in like what 2003 now? Haha, wow. Thanks for the post though..!!!

  • @JoshKosters
    @JoshKosters 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @TonyPizzaro THE PEOPLE. Not the channel...

  • @BackRowRacing98
    @BackRowRacing98 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    best 2nd place drive ever is what I call him. Just added another 2nd place at Pocono.

  • @jpatt9275
    @jpatt9275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How the hell was Jimmy Spencer leading that race

    • @JJA1987
      @JJA1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was competitive that day till Kurt ruined his day

    • @clarenceghammjr1326
      @clarenceghammjr1326 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JJA1987he’s competitive about a hour most of the time

  • @Bandbadventures22
    @Bandbadventures22 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    maybe total?

  • @dabest70
    @dabest70  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was done through comcast on-demand

  • @MarkSmith-ok1yi
    @MarkSmith-ok1yi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After all these years of taking Kurt Busch's side, After hearing Jimmy Spencer's side of the story on Dale Jr download I can understand why he hit Kurt.

  • @JVC1103
    @JVC1103 16 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh the good old days!

  • @TestTubeBabySpy
    @TestTubeBabySpy 9 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    i would have loved to see kurt busch get punched in the face

    • @jeremyblack3394
      @jeremyblack3394 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Punched over and over and over.

  • @JoshuaFarmer-bv7ip
    @JoshuaFarmer-bv7ip 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was back before every other word was the f word on NASCAR radio and when they'd be fined and had to show respect.

  • @nascarnut18
    @nascarnut18 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's not to often you see incidents like this anymore.

  • @goodeyebrian3598
    @goodeyebrian3598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Who is here after listening to Dale Jr Download?

    • @edmanning7554
      @edmanning7554 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think Jimmy's memory might be a little fuzzy

  • @GJones462-2W1
    @GJones462-2W1 16 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kurt said Jimmy isn't a "once was", he's a "never has been." Jimmy's only 2 wins? Restrictor plate tracks. 1 Daytona, and Talladega. Kurt's right.

  • @lawfrmtheave
    @lawfrmtheave 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Christian Fittipaldi is an IRL/Cart driver but he used to drive the 43 for petty

  • @katiespencer6644
    @katiespencer6644 10 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    jimmy spencer is my uncle

    • @krazit4200able
      @krazit4200able 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And Jimmie Johnson is my brother you see my last name is johnson too........lol

    • @katiespencer6644
      @katiespencer6644 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      look my family up

    • @krazit4200able
      @krazit4200able 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I believe you and magic johnson the basketball player he is my uncle.

    • @katiespencer6644
      @katiespencer6644 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      fine don't believe me haha

    • @johneddy9849
      @johneddy9849 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      katie spencer hes from wilkes barre,isnt he

  • @RandysRacingPlace633
    @RandysRacingPlace633 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dale Earnhardt more than likely did what Kurt Busch did here (i.e. say that he was going to intentionally wreck somebody), only difference is, we couldn't hear his radio back then. ;-)

  • @chatlos
    @chatlos 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    who is ur guy then ?

  • @pat02537
    @pat02537 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, Biffle was leading that race. Even back in 2003, he was great at MIS.

  • @3intimid8or
    @3intimid8or 15 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I got to meet Jimmy Spencer and he is one of the nicest guys to meet

  • @Heathcoatman
    @Heathcoatman 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    The race? we all saw the race. Where is the punch? Thumbs down for espn footage we all have seen.

  • @RazorSharp75426
    @RazorSharp75426 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    if any of these racing was seen on any race events held on great britain , those drivers who was involved in that would be banned for life from racing, or high cost fines would be paid by those drivers

    • @b2b545
      @b2b545 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Razor luckily no one cares about Great Britain. They lost the biggest race in 1776

  • @NakiZakimaru
    @NakiZakimaru 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @dabest70 so your saying they suck so much they have to go to a lower series to win? ha!

  • @M1lesJames
    @M1lesJames 12 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He's been my favorite since I began watching NASCAR. He's won more races then Dale Jarrett and The Labonte brothers and they have won championships. Plus he dominated IROC and those cars were built to run the same

  • @DavidJameson89
    @DavidJameson89 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep, Kurt is miles ahead of McMurray as far as being a great driver goes. Kurt was beating Jamie while he was at Ganassi, and Jamie has top-notch equipment now and Kurt is beating him with his Penske Dodge.

  • @acenace24
    @acenace24 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wish Jimmy was still around

    • @chancegheno8096
      @chancegheno8096 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just imagine if Fox or NBC brought Jimmy Spencer back then Kurt Busch retires and they put Spencer and Busch in the booth like they did with Jeff Gordon and Clint Bowyer

  • @dennissilva4469
    @dennissilva4469 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Busch brother's have never been afraid to fight 💪

  • @dabest70
    @dabest70  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @beertits4me um well NO your wrong.i was the track videographer ,(not just a fan with a camera in the crowd) i spent over $50,000 on video equipement. my videos were used on the local news. my FRIEND "BRENDAN GAUGHAN" is just 1 of the drivers that we hung out with. kurt busch i hung out with him for about 20min.(not a friend but 1 cool dude)and i never said my dad was famous,but he was rookie of the year 1966 and raced bobby allison and richard petty.so i think thats pretty cool!

  • @booifojoe
    @booifojoe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mr Excitement. Back when I used to watch NASCAR.

  • @fordwindsor351
    @fordwindsor351 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kurt may of be better by means of wins but come on, Kurt would not have a chance in the world to win an actual fight against anyone, the busch boys are just weak in that sense.

  • @norwayitalo
    @norwayitalo 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    whos that?

  • @RingoYote71
    @RingoYote71 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    yea, remember that back in 2001?

  • @dabest70
    @dabest70  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    calm down KEVIN - he fixed his ears when he joined penske.....but maybe if you were a true nascar fan , you would know that...

  • @lildozer51
    @lildozer51 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm glad we got to see something....

  • @CAB75
    @CAB75 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember when this happened and the next weekend Bush had on larger than normal sunglasses but you could still see the black eye

  • @ericjoiner8395
    @ericjoiner8395 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Those guys where great at calling races.

  • @chatlos
    @chatlos 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RIP BP

  • @paulwilliams9979
    @paulwilliams9979 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kurt grew up , but Kyle still hasn't, and it's 2024

  • @JoshKosters
    @JoshKosters 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess off screen. I don't I couldn't hear it, but Jimmy probably did

  • @hoosierlooker
    @hoosierlooker 16 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jimmy hadn't been that mad since they shut down the all you can eat buffet.

  • @dabest70
    @dabest70  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Burnout900012 ha ha LMAO good catch, i usually catch weird stuff like that, but i didnt on this 1 lol

  • @victorcerabino5319
    @victorcerabino5319 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thats nothing i watched Tom Baldwin at Islip speedway get out of his 7 coupe jump on the nerf bar of the 555 as it was moving and punch the crape out of him. the old mod drivers were the best ever not these young punks thrown in million dollar rides.

  • @kurtbusch2
    @kurtbusch2 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    no one cleaned Kurt up.. its called maturing. And Kyle may be a little "rough around the edges" but sooo whhhatt? He's a racer for god sakes

  • @RingoYote71
    @RingoYote71 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    why?, becasue he does a better job then you?

  • @dabest70
    @dabest70  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    poundthe8---your 44 yrs old and make little kid comments like that jeesh you didnt have to watch it...and many others dont think its a waste of time..look below someone else waited 5 yrs to see this.so go waste someone elses time.

  • @Burnout900012
    @Burnout900012 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    wtf @ 2:07 it says Busch has done 4294368 laps, wut? lol

  • @DaveyMurray1
    @DaveyMurray1 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @utubejjk
    Age has nothing to do with how much emotion someone has, look at Darrel, he's the best NASCAR announcer right now, but I do agree with you, ESPN is terrible.

  • @RandyB93
    @RandyB93 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You can now add Kevin Harvick to the list of driver that love to fight the Busch brothers.

  • @clarenceghammjr1326
    @clarenceghammjr1326 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never thought much of Jimmy and a lackluster career

  • @LowTegra
    @LowTegra 14 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I miss the fighting in NASCAR like in the old days, gave it some more excitement....now you just have a bunch of politically correct tools running circles single file for 4 hours straight

  • @cocacola150dr
    @cocacola150dr 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you asking that to be funny or are you serious? If you're serious I would be happy to explain.

  • @IAMEVIL315
    @IAMEVIL315 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😂 spencer still salty he got owned by a busch and made into a complete joke in nascar

  • @rockypc24
    @rockypc24 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    2003 wasnt a bad season for greg

  • @jthornton17
    @jthornton17 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    maybe it's just me, but was Kurt Busch not a younger version of Jimmy Spencer? If you look at all the videos on here, Jimmy Spencer use to be a young punk, doing a lot of the supid stuff Kurt did. It's just there was not cameras all over the place back than like today. I find it funny it was kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. Both of these guys are bozo's IMO>