@@youtubecarspottersguide1doubt it all owned by same crooks lol no seriously it’s only a few large corporations best suv are GM and Toyota this is overall Toyota being the better of the 2 I’m pretty sure I’m missing a honorable mention somewhere
Thats the problem. He got a lemon. Its not normal for a land rover to have problems that early, so if you do that means you got a lemon. And you should run right back to the dealer
Your better off buying the new 2024 Lexus Gx in an offroad trim because it's a Toyota product; it's practically the land cruiser that's bin redesigned.
This is why I am hanging on to my 2021 4Runner TRD Pro until one of us dies. No one will ever convince me that these smaller, high-boost turbocharged engines are going to be as reliable as naturally-aspirated engines from quality manufacturers.
It’s like having a pair of shoes. You like the guy that sold you the shoes, you like the guy that polishes the shoes when they get scuffed up but in the end the shoes hurt your feet. It boils down to how long you can stand the discomfort.
Something similar happened to me with Hyundai. The sales person was great and actually became a friend, but the Tucson we bought was a lemon so we had to part ways with it, but the purchasing process was great.
How is it I’m trying it buy a new one right now and was wondering if I’d get the same experience as my current 2023 Escalade since that car is amazing.
I’m selling my 2020 LR defender. In the last 6 months it’s been in the shop 3 times. Several days for each repair. Gorgeous vehicle but painful to own. Can’t wait for something else more reliable. The steering failure is downright dangerous. Another time we had a full engine shutdown that left us stranded on the side of a highway at night. Could you imagine if this happened deep in the back country.
Owned 4 Land Rover products over the years (Range Rover, Disco, Defender, and Range Rover Sport), not one problem. Owned multiple Mercedes that had multiple issues. Owned a Toyota that blew a head gasket. I guess some of it comes down to luck of the draw. Best to own anything new today with a warranty (more tech comes with many more potential issues).
I don't know newer cars but I own a 2002 Toyota and a 2007 Land Rover. Most Land Rovers actually have very reliable engine and drivetrain etc. But there's no comparison on the little things. Basically everything plastic in the LR has been mended or replaced. The design is often comically bad.
may I ask which toyota blew the head gasket? Was it Tundra.... at 200k miles? I have not heard of such issue on toyota/lexus trucks/body-on-frame SUVs with a mileage below 150k unless they were extremely abused and lacked proper maintenance.
Landrover's reliability ended decades ago and it's been a running joke as pretty much the worst brand ever since. Buying a modern Landrover is like trying to beat a casino at slotmachines- the odds aren't there. It's a shame, because they have some beautiful designs.
The landriver defender 110 from the 90s and early 2thoudands are the real defender s these new defender s are not built like the older ones and cannot take an extreme off road beating like the older models that were built for extreme hostile conditions. This is why the older defender s still hold their value and are super expensive to maintain wich is why alot of guys switched to Toyota land cruiser or other off road brands.
My wife’s supercharged Range Rover Sport has been rock solid. Zero issues from new to 80k miles. While i do sympathize with the OP, i bet 95% of the people complaining online about reliability have probably never owned them. If reliability was as bad as everyone claims - LR would have been out of business a long time ago.
Not true. My LR4 has been trash. But I like the look of it and deal with issues as they come. The least reliable car I’ve owned. But it was cheaper than a Tacoma and still offered off road ruggedness. It does perform the best off road out of all my cars though. I follow a LandRover forum on Facebook and 90% of the posts are, “this broke how can I fix it.” I still have mine tho 🤷🏻♂️
Status symbol? Maybe they just buy what they like and they can afford it? When people have no money, they should buy what's reliable and try to be happy. @@Wontreplyeverdontbother
You must me one of the rare owners then without issues. I had several LR incl the original Defender and yes lots of problems. People without issues are rare.
Current defender owner. Had for 3yrs - love it. Before that disco 4 for 4 yrs - loved it Before that RR hybrid for 3yrs - loved it. Over those years, minor issues. People love this LR fear porn. If you get a dud you get a dud. Ive had a recently terrible experience with a Tesla (wont own one again)
My LR3 was quirky but 100% reliable. My 2012 LR4 was amazing and 100% reliable. My 2021 Defender 110 is perfect and has 50,000 miles on it and has been 100% reliable.
@@monzarace as a JLR Tech, it's often the most babied Land Rovers that cause the most problems, I've had customers that are contractors and drive them all over construction sites with absolutely filthy engine bays and never come in for more than routine service and maybe a minor issue here and there. While Land Rover isn't as off road looking as it used to, don't get it twisted, they're still every bit as capable as they used to be and then some. People also call them unreliable because electrical gremlins, not because it left them stranded somewhere. I've had people come in for silly things more often than something major like powertrain issues. Most of the time if it left the customer stranded it was a drained battery. But of course if the customer paid top dollar for a brand new vehicle it is understandable that they would expect it to be perfect all day every day, however with all the technology it's packing, it's not likely for it to not have any issues at all. Look at Toyota, they used to be bullet proof, with these new ones, not so much as they pack more and more technology into them, technology that has been on Land Rovers for years now.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 welcome to the club 🎉 🎈I couldn’t wait to get rid of my Range Rover Evoque. It was the Best car I ever owned, under warranty. It was the worst car I ever owned, out of warranty. Although if I had money to burn then I’m definitely buying a Defender 130 X 🚙🚗
"Happy wife - happy life" is one of the phrases both my wife and I _HATE_ the most! Such an antiquated viewpoint that needs to evolve. We always say: _"Happy couple sees no trouble."_ This is the way forward ladies and gentlemen. Stay classy my friends.
@@Holden-McGroin Oh they know but they refuse to acknowledge. Apparently, only the woman in the relationship is allowed to be happy these days. What a sad and misguided time we currently inhabit. _"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."_ *~George Orwell* Stay classy my friend.
@@BertShackleford We do know! The problem is that other women want to put us down and shut us up for speaking the truth. They like being the dictator in the relationship. I truly feel bad for those men stuck in that type of marriage. You deserve better treatment gentlemen.
Funny thing is that statement is a comedic jest that few of the most sappy suckers see as an actual viewpoint. Your happy couple cliche is just as sad. Stay in the box my moron! 🙄
I’m giving up. I’m on my 4th range and I’m waiting for it to get back from the shop for the 5000th time. It’s going right away. You can’t keep them on the road
A brand where brake calipers often cost $2,000. each, textured plastic fascia trim $900. a piece, dealer labor rates of $250./hr or more and the list goes on. While interiors are often beautifully trimmed and styling is nice, let the blue bloods and glitterati keep their favorite SUV.
This video is so disappointing. You read the title and you basically wait the whole video for some major issue, or at least something justifying the title, and it never happens. Like do not title your video "I'm done with Land Rover" if you're not seriously disappointed and you have nothing to say.
I struggled to get through this with the repeated comments regarding the wife and the nervous giggles. More like a review of your relationship than the vehicle itself.
These are the people that buy land ro er these days. He says all cars have electronics these days, true, but this car have much much more electronics than an average car, while offroaders need to have less. All all I don't get this video. He said they didn't have issue at all, only at 150 miles, but then he mentions that the power steering went at 10000 miles.... ok
I cannot begin to tell you how many I’ve seen when I head back to London that are fully loaded with the roof rack, snorkel, spotlights, ladder etc. As he said, they got the Explorer Pack and ladder because it “looked cool”. But he’s going nowhere adventurous, because he’d ruin the white interior his wife chose 🤔🙄
In my opinion, the trade-in value alone makes keeping it for at least another year or two the best option financially, assuming you can afford it in the first place. Besides, once everything is fixed under warranty, it might be pretty reliable, and if it isn't, you can still trade it later.
Well, perhaps there is a connection between the incredible buying experience and the future breakdown as in they know it's coming because they know there are serious quality issues still plaguing the brand... I had recently looked at Range Rover and in conversation with a saleswoman, she had strongly recommended I lease and not purchase. She will remain nameless, god bless her, she actually cared about her customers.
Keep a ten mil wrench in the glovebox. When power steering goes out open cover under passenger seat and disconnect the battery for ten seconds. Steering fixed.
No matter how great the warranty and the dealer is (I mean, it does, but not for long term ownership when the warranty expires... ) if the vehicle needs to be there often, I can understand wanting to trade it in... Overall, Land Rover is less reliable and cost of ownership is much higher than other brands. I love the looks of the Defender and thought about getting one... but depreciation, cost of services, overall reliability issues... I just could not do it. But man does it look amazing. Specially in the configuration (with the options) that you got. Your wife is making the smart decision. Best to bite the bullet and get rid of it now. Looking forward to seeing what she gets next.
Sorry that the Defender didn't work out. Good luck on getting a new vehicle (please post more videos of the car search.... love seeing the struggle involved in finding a new vehicle).
I will always be a fan of Land Rover brand for it's designed capabilities and comforts. I'd like to drive one.Unfortunately I cannot afford a new one :( I'm looking around for a used Defender but I fear it might put me in a financial hole when something breaks out once warranty is out
It has nothing to do with the reliability of the defender, there are tons of defenders out there, when you have money, you want a new car every year, that's how simple it is
Lots of positive words for the “service and repairs”. I’d prefer to have a new car that does not breakdown repeatedly from 10k miles. I was considering a defender and came to TH-cam to check reliability. Thanks for your honest assessment. I think I will pass on the LR Defender. 😅
Lovely vehicle as long as you have a good dealer, and it’s still covered under warranty. It doesn’t sound like long term reliability would be very good and I think customer satisfaction would drastically change when the paying the Land Rover repair bills.
My Land Rover Discovery 2 is 25 yrs old , V8 gas(petrol) with 346,000kms on it. Most of the issues are to do with non Landrover parts, such as Bosch door locks, brake pins that seize the same pins used on Volvos,fords , Chrysler. Basic things, very thirsty in city . Very fixable by backyard mechanics.
Look at autotrader in the UK for Range Rovers. About the first 2-3 pages are cars with engine or gearbox problems, many with under 100k miles. Jeremy Clarkson did a video not long ago about his. Obviously his has been maintained like royalty, but it still blew up 2 turbos costing 4k each to repair.
I’m torn between the Defender and the Lexus GX. Would like to try the Defender but reviews of my local dealer is not good for service. But I get it. Sometimes just luck of draw. Had a Tesla S with no real issues. Had problems with Audi, Porsche, bmw, Mercedes.
Cap. 🧢 LR RR have consistently been far more problematic than most other brands. Yeah, Tundras have issues but the percentage of people bricking their Tundras is far less than those with LR/RR. Imagine, you’ve had these issues in the first 10k miles of ownership. Imagine what it’s like when you’ve had it for 50k. I love LR/RR. Even thought of getting a LR4 as a over landing rig. Went as far as to test drive one. Settled on a GX460 based off the feedback I got from owners. Beautiful suv. But not worth the headache.
Your videos are very entertaining and informative. Appreciate your channel. Consumer perception has inertia and is always a lagging indicator of the actual state of affairs. So no surprise that JLR may generally be more reliable than common opinion would have it, and Toyota less so.
It was a toss up between the model y and the defender for my teenaged daughter. So glad I went with the model y. In hindsight, there’s too much hassle involved with the defender regardless of cost.
I wouldn’t be comfortable letting my wife or kids drive an unreliable car. My subjective experience is the ratio of problems to # sold is too high. There’s just too many better choices out there.
can not imagine dropping 90k on a landrover they are legendary for their depreciation and problems, I'd get her a 4 runner before they downgrade them to the 4cylinder
No. Defender having issues in year 1 at $80K+ does not equate with a general Tundra issue at $40K. Jesus. In the first year most cars do NOT have issues.
another great review and yep, gotta keep the "boss" happy! My wife was the same with our Aviator. After the transmission went out on the fwy at 10k miles she was done. Fair or not. Can't blame the ladies for being afraid of getting stranded out in the jungle..:)
This entire video sounds like a defeated man trying to convince himself he likes the expensive purchase he made that he knows was not a smart purchase.
Land Rover knows that people don't really care about reliability until something goes wrong. So they spend money on branding and pretty interiors and posh dealerships. They make millions selling style over substance.
I had a 2006 Range Rover HSE which I bought certified preowned in 2007 and ran until 2018. Put 135,000 miles on it and the only issue I ever really had was the compressor for the air suspension crapped out on me once in 2016. The repair bill for that was $1,600 at the time. Honestly would have gotten a Defender as a replacement if I wasn't so enamored by the Bronco when it was announced and which I have been enjoying greatly since I picked mine up in 2021 (Non Sasquatch Outer Banks 4DR with the 2.3L Ecoboost)
Interesting. My ‘21 has 60K miles and other than an O2 sensor it’s been problem free. I was concerned, but this has been the most reliable car I’ve ever had in 40 years of driving. Keeping it for the long term.
Part of the issue is that most people who want to buy a Defender, want it new, so the market for a 2nd one shrinks quickly. Add in the fact that the model is quite new and frankly I would be leery of touching one from the first and 2nd year build. This will have an effect of dragging the value down as well.
I think it is the worst excuse to sell. Those are small things and was sorted out. All other negative comments here are just people who never owned a LR. As a family we have driven LR since 1993. So far 25 to date and counting including first edition 110 D240 no issues and still going. I myself drive a 110 D300 HSE and are just as happy as can be. But still selling the best version LR because of two small mechanical issues that was sorted and you having just the best service from LR is honestly is not a reason to let it go. They really do go above and beyond for the product and customers. Happy LR owner from South Africa
And this is precisely why I recommend older design new cars, like the 4Runner, Frontier, GX, to friends. Being an older design, a lot of the TSBs, refinements have already been done. Older NA motors lack some of crazy electronics and complexity of newer engines, turbo chargers, and other nonsense. Just bought an outgoing 2023 GX for precisely this reason.
Thanks for the review. For a car at that price to break down is not acceptable. The dealership should provide a 1st class experience, they should have breakfast and tea waiting. I buy cars that are lower end and had fewer problems in year 1.
Defender is a very cool looking SUV. But having issues makes a person wonder if. I had issues with a 2015 Hyundai Santa Fe Ultimate that I got new, loved that thing, V-6 was fast.. but I could not trust it anymore so I traded it in in 2017 for a Subaru Forester XT that I kept for 6 years with 37k miles and had no issues, traded it in for a 2023 Nissan Frontier Pro4X in June 2023. I love this truck.
I can not fathom why anybody wastes their money on anything that Land Rover currently builds. Sure, great cars when working, but how long does that last. Awful reliability, lacklustre dealership support, horrifically expensive parts, painful owner experience. That my friends comes from a British guy who once lived and breathed Land Rover.
It seems it's a known issue of the Defender losing power steering in certain circumstances. Do they have a fix for this? I've seen people on their forum who bought a Defender 3-4 years ago had this same issue.
As a Tech in Puerto Rico, I've never dealt with any Power Steering issue on the Defenders, I think maybe one or two other techs did once each. So idk, different markets have different problems is what I've learned from talking to other techs at the JLR Training Academy. Edit: well not different markets, we're still USDM, I meant different envirements.
Only good till the warranty is on.after that budget $5K++ a year on modern LR’s. Other problem is parts can take 4-8 months to arrive. Is ok as a third vehicle if you really like them and willing to maintain them. Love my Ranger, but would not buy again, mainly due to waiting for parts and only dealer can work on them for many codes eg battery on my transmission was back ordered - seriously.
I've had four Toyotas, Prado 120, Prado 150 (company car), 79 series (still own) and a 200 Sahara TTV8 diesel (still own). 600k between them and not one break down. All of them lived in the Pilbara and did hard work. I'll give you the tip - no JLR product will last the way these did (have). BTW I also owned a Discovery but after two engine rebuilds to reach 280k I kicked the habit of these POS.
Dude, why are you apologizing sooo much for a flawed product 🤔 (it's coming across like that😢). Those of us who've owned these things we just send out warnings ⚠️ to friends. Do you want to look glamorous stranded on the road with your SUV buy a LRover/Jaguars product. OR do you want a tried , trusted and tested product. Buy a LEXUS or maybe a Benz😊
Had three RR vogues L322 model with up to 120k miles with only expected age related problems expensive to run and service but can't find another make with same kudos and luxurious daily drive
Your wife is a smart woman, bet you already know that. Steering wheel given out less than 1k miles and again @ 10k with other things breaking down. Not worth the future hassle.
When a Land Rover / Range Rover owners post comments here that they never had any issues, that's a complete BS. There were known issues but owners tend to lie about it or have amnesia for some reason. It's better to share your true story that the warranty will cover the engine light, brake calipers, engine oil leak, etc., and not just be an ambassador of the brand. Bottomline is LR//RR are good looking and cool cars,, hands down, and offers social status, and that's what the brand is good at. I might get a used one by the way, because it looks cool. =D
Bro you cannot defend this brand when you have power steering going out at 150 miles, imagine the issues this car will have at 150k miles, if it makes it there
I think its just one of those "one bad apple." You are right though. Even Toyota and Lexus have had some resent mechanical or electrical problems especially with newer components. If you look at the Lexus GX460 that didnt change for a decade that had to be one of the most reliable vehicles but now there is a fully remodeled GX550. Even my in laws recently bought the RX500h and it didnt start within 300 miles. It had to be towed to the dealer. They found out it was the extra battery for the hybrid system. And hybrids have been around 10+ years now especially in a toyota. So it can happen to anybody. Just like onetime i was on the interstate from Vegas back to Colorado and i met a guy at a rest stop. He was driving a LR sport. He said all the lights came on after the uphill and luckily he was able to stop at this rest stop. Him and his and 2 kids were stuck out there during the middle of night before a tow truck can come get them and take them to the next city. He said he has a defender too at home. Again its just a luck of thr draw i guess. It can happen to anyone and from any manufacture vehicle. I still like the look of these defender. With the new GX550 from Lexus they look like the defender but they got rid of the 5th door. And Lexus is starting to cut corners with less luxurious components. Less premium stuff now for more price.
They are not interchangeable, unless you buy one from a RHD market. JLR Tech here. Also, they don't really block your view all that much, regardless the car has your back with Blind Spot Monitoring and most have surround cameras and ClearSight™ rear view mirror camera.
Also I'm around vehicles from every manufacture... Every manufacture has issues... These are machines.... Not every machine is perfect. It's what the manufacture does to make the experience right
I've watched your videos and still decided to order one. My build should be here in May. I'm currently driving a 2020 Lexus 460 GX. I love the car, but the infotainment system is very outdated. I chose Defender 110 over the new GX. Because my dealer told me I was 480 on the waiting list, meaning it would be 2025 before I received my truck.
I have just over 44k miles on my 2020 110 and have taken it across the country through forests and deserts. Only issue I've had was the coolant reservoir had to be replaced due to a defect. Just did my routine maintenance and asked my service agent about mechanical issues they've seen with other 110s. There's another 110 in my area with 140k+ miles and they tell me they've only had to change out the headlights. All that to say, hope you enjoy your new Defender! Don't let the negative Land Rover reliability hype train get to you.
@tspidey007 The funny thing is I've interacted with several owners who say they haven't had any problems. The new GX is going to the Tundra engine, which has had plenty of problems. Who knows how their vehicle is going perform until they drive it.
Would have ordered a Defender 90 by now but of all the things you can customize, you can’t pay for the larger screen. Just not even an option. Only thing that’s been more strange in my shopping experience is that in 2024 the Porsche Macan does not support Android Auto. Apple Play only - and they don’t apologize for it.
When something major breaks on any vehicle that only has 150 miles on it, the customer service BETTER be over the top, whoever the dealer is.
The price will definitely be over the top
@@luisvilla799 service better than the jeep service dept for $110k premium jeep grand wagoneer
@@youtubecarspottersguide1doubt it all owned by same crooks lol no seriously it’s only a few large corporations best suv are GM and Toyota this is overall Toyota being the better of the 2 I’m pretty sure I’m missing a honorable mention somewhere
Thats the problem. He got a lemon. Its not normal for a land rover to have problems that early, so if you do that means you got a lemon. And you should run right back to the dealer
Your better off buying the new 2024 Lexus Gx in an offroad trim because it's a Toyota product; it's practically the land cruiser that's bin redesigned.
The Land Rover is always the best looking vehicle in the shop.
😄
THE LR tech can afford to retire 20yrs before the owners!
with that huge roof rack, you can climb on enjoy the sun while waiting for the tow truck to come
That's what it does best!
They sell land rovers at shops?
This is why I am hanging on to my 2021 4Runner TRD Pro until one of us dies. No one will ever convince me that these smaller, high-boost turbocharged engines are going to be as reliable as naturally-aspirated engines from quality manufacturers.
Of course! It’s a Toyota, keep it forever.
It’s like having a pair of shoes. You like the guy that sold you the shoes, you like the guy that polishes the shoes when they get scuffed up but in the end the shoes hurt your feet. It boils down to how long you can stand the discomfort.
Great analogy!!!
Something similar happened to me with Hyundai. The sales person was great and actually became a friend, but the Tucson we bought was a lemon so we had to part ways with it, but the purchasing process was great.
you forgot to mention that those pair of shoes costed 90k new and now they are only worth 60k after 1 year.
most people who complain never owned a Land Rover
In my case , I’ve owned 4.@@pressmandestiny
Title is misleading. So the only reason you're "done" with it because your wife said so?
sure is. click bait at its finest.
haha true
Yea waste of time
very strange man Ben Hardy is, agree
Click bait king
I'm 3 months away from 3 years of owning mine. It has been great. Love it.
How is it I’m trying it buy a new one right now and was wondering if I’d get the same experience as my current 2023 Escalade since that car is amazing.
Love it. Zero complaints. @@avxlit
@@VWkid4life how many miles do you have? Any issues with ownership?
just did the 20,000 service. No problems. Love it. I have a 90 with the 4 cylinder@@ryanjcoon1
I’m selling my 2020 LR defender. In the last 6 months it’s been in the shop 3 times. Several days for each repair. Gorgeous vehicle but painful to own. Can’t wait for something else more reliable. The steering failure is downright dangerous. Another time we had a full engine shutdown that left us stranded on the side of a highway at night. Could you imagine if this happened deep in the back country.
Get the new lexus gx550
The steering is a three min fix 😂
Get a prado
@@Joe-kx7blthen keep fixing it every day too dumbbass. Nobody got time for that shit.
That is shocking
Owned 4 Land Rover products over the years (Range Rover, Disco, Defender, and Range Rover Sport), not one problem. Owned multiple Mercedes that had multiple issues. Owned a Toyota that blew a head gasket. I guess some of it comes down to luck of the draw. Best to own anything new today with a warranty (more tech comes with many more potential issues).
Exactly!
Try getting work done under warrenty! Best to buy older, simpler, proven vehicles
Toyotas are still so much better then land rover sheit.
I don't know newer cars but I own a 2002 Toyota and a 2007 Land Rover. Most Land Rovers actually have very reliable engine and drivetrain etc. But there's no comparison on the little things. Basically everything plastic in the LR has been mended or replaced. The design is often comically bad.
may I ask which toyota blew the head gasket? Was it Tundra.... at 200k miles? I have not heard of such issue on toyota/lexus trucks/body-on-frame SUVs with a mileage below 150k unless they were extremely abused and lacked proper maintenance.
I don't think Land Rover, as a brand, has ever been proven to be reliable...
Landrover's reliability ended decades ago and it's been a running joke as pretty much the worst brand ever since. Buying a modern Landrover is like trying to beat a casino at slotmachines- the odds aren't there. It's a shame, because they have some beautiful designs.
To me its a status symbol but I like my money lol
The vehicles are fantastic , it’s a shame they can’t make them reliable and easy to repair .
The landriver defender 110 from the 90s and early 2thoudands are the real defender s these new defender s are not built like the older ones and cannot take an extreme off road beating like the older models that were built for extreme hostile conditions.
This is why the older defender s still hold their value and are super expensive to maintain wich is why alot of guys switched to Toyota land cruiser or other off road brands.
Yip. They're rubbish
My wife’s supercharged Range Rover Sport has been rock solid. Zero issues from new to 80k miles. While i do sympathize with the OP, i bet 95% of the people complaining online about reliability have probably never owned them. If reliability was as bad as everyone claims - LR would have been out of business a long time ago.
Idiots lease them, try driving a landrover product for 10 years or better yet 500,000 miles. Toyota.
Not true. My LR4 has been trash. But I like the look of it and deal with issues as they come. The least reliable car I’ve owned. But it was cheaper than a Tacoma and still offered off road ruggedness. It does perform the best off road out of all my cars though. I follow a LandRover forum on Facebook and 90% of the posts are, “this broke how can I fix it.” I still have mine tho 🤷🏻♂️
Status symbol? Maybe they just buy what they like and they can afford it? When people have no money, they should buy what's reliable and try to be happy.
@@Wontreplyeverdontbother
My sentiments! The company would have been crashed. I love landrover!
You must me one of the rare owners then without issues. I had several LR incl the original Defender and yes lots of problems. People without issues are rare.
It’s still is status symbol based on looks alone. Rich don’t mind taking it to the dealer and driving their second car while it’s being fixed.
Long story short, its great when it’s not broken.
Current defender owner. Had for 3yrs - love it.
Before that disco 4 for 4 yrs - loved it
Before that RR hybrid for 3yrs - loved it.
Over those years, minor issues. People love this LR fear porn. If you get a dud you get a dud. Ive had a recently terrible experience with a Tesla (wont own one again)
You made the beginners error of not buying 2 to keep 1 running while the other is at the mechanic.
My LR3 was quirky but 100% reliable. My 2012 LR4 was amazing and 100% reliable. My 2021 Defender 110 is perfect and has 50,000 miles on it and has been 100% reliable.
The cost of maintenance not covered by warranty is insane
24k miles on my 2023 Defender 110. ZERO issues. Love it. I drive it like I stole it.
Did your 21,000 mile service cost $2000? I saw another owner’s post that said it cost that much….just asking.
@@brooklyn4life880mine was $1700 Houston, TX area
Mark my words. You wont make it to 100k miles without a major repair that will cost you at least $3500
"I drive it like I stoleit": that is why it lasts. It should be driven. It's made to drive, not soccer-mom nursing.
@@monzarace as a JLR Tech, it's often the most babied Land Rovers that cause the most problems, I've had customers that are contractors and drive them all over construction sites with absolutely filthy engine bays and never come in for more than routine service and maybe a minor issue here and there.
While Land Rover isn't as off road looking as it used to, don't get it twisted, they're still every bit as capable as they used to be and then some.
People also call them unreliable because electrical gremlins, not because it left them stranded somewhere. I've had people come in for silly things more often than something major like powertrain issues. Most of the time if it left the customer stranded it was a drained battery.
But of course if the customer paid top dollar for a brand new vehicle it is understandable that they would expect it to be perfect all day every day, however with all the technology it's packing, it's not likely for it to not have any issues at all.
Look at Toyota, they used to be bullet proof, with these new ones, not so much as they pack more and more technology into them, technology that has been on Land Rovers for years now.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 welcome to the club 🎉 🎈I couldn’t wait to get rid of my Range Rover Evoque. It was the Best car I ever owned, under warranty. It was the worst car I ever owned, out of warranty. Although if I had money to burn then I’m definitely buying a Defender 130 X 🚙🚗
"Happy wife - happy life" is one of the phrases both my wife and I _HATE_ the most!
Such an antiquated viewpoint that needs to evolve. We always say: _"Happy couple sees no trouble."_
This is the way forward ladies and gentlemen.
Stay classy my friends.
Somebody should tell that to women.
@@Holden-McGroin Oh they know but they refuse to acknowledge.
Apparently, only the woman in the relationship is allowed to be happy these days. What a sad and misguided time we currently inhabit.
_"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."_ *~George Orwell*
Stay classy my friend.
@@BertShackleford We do know!
The problem is that other women want to put us down and shut us up for speaking the truth. They like being the dictator in the relationship. I truly feel bad for those men stuck in that type of marriage.
You deserve better treatment gentlemen.
Funny thing is that statement is a comedic jest that few of the most sappy suckers see as an actual viewpoint. Your happy couple cliche is just as sad. Stay in the box my moron! 🙄
Thank you for saying this. BTW, aren't all kittens/cats crepuscular? @@crepuscularkitten4911
I’m giving up. I’m on my 4th range and I’m waiting for it to get back from the shop for the 5000th time. It’s going right away. You can’t keep them on the road
A brand where brake calipers often cost $2,000. each, textured plastic fascia trim $900. a piece, dealer labor rates of $250./hr or more and the list goes on. While interiors are often beautifully trimmed and styling is nice, let the blue bloods and glitterati keep their favorite SUV.
Yep, definitely not for the poor 🙄
This video is so disappointing.
You read the title and you basically wait the whole video for some major issue, or at least something justifying the title, and it never happens.
Like do not title your video "I'm done with Land Rover" if you're not seriously disappointed and you have nothing to say.
I struggled to get through this with the repeated comments regarding the wife and the nervous giggles. More like a review of your relationship than the vehicle itself.
The absolute state of male land rover owners: "..my wife said.. 🤡 hehe .."
I m sure your wife absolutely needed an offroader with a snorkel and a roof rack to navigate through the jungle to get your kids from school 😵💫
These are the people that buy land ro er these days. He says all cars have electronics these days, true, but this car have much much more electronics than an average car, while offroaders need to have less. All all I don't get this video. He said they didn't have issue at all, only at 150 miles, but then he mentions that the power steering went at 10000 miles.... ok
I'll take it off road
Yuppies are out there. Look at me! Look at me! Validate my existence!
I wouldn’t listen to anything this guy says.
I cannot begin to tell you how many I’ve seen when I head back to London that are fully loaded with the roof rack, snorkel, spotlights, ladder etc. As he said, they got the Explorer Pack and ladder because it “looked cool”. But he’s going nowhere adventurous, because he’d ruin the white interior his wife chose 🤔🙄
In my opinion, the trade-in value alone makes keeping it for at least another year or two the best option financially, assuming you can afford it in the first place. Besides, once everything is fixed under warranty, it might be pretty reliable, and if it isn't, you can still trade it later.
30k dollar depreciation for 10k miles? That is 3 dollar per mile just for loss of value!! Thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with Toyota.
Ok have fun? 💁♀️ 🤷♀️ no Toyota will drive or turn heads like this 😂😂😂
@@DiaperSNiFFER The turning heads as they pass you broken down at the side of the road? Those turning heads?
Yup there’s a good reason they are ranked last in customer satisfaction and reliability for ALL manufacturers
30k in a year...nuts...thank you for your service by ordering new
Well, perhaps there is a connection between the incredible buying experience and the future breakdown as in they know it's coming because they know there are serious quality issues still plaguing the brand... I had recently looked at Range Rover and in conversation with a saleswoman, she had strongly recommended I lease and not purchase. She will remain nameless, god bless her, she actually cared about her customers.
Keep a ten mil wrench in the glovebox. When power steering goes out open cover under passenger seat and disconnect the battery for ten seconds. Steering fixed.
Also….the mechanics at the Land Rover dealership told me themselves that if you’re under warranty you’re good, but if not….RUN!!!….🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️
The new defender was tested for 1.2 million miles during the testing phase. I think JLR have worked on their reliability record.
No matter how great the warranty and the dealer is (I mean, it does, but not for long term ownership when the warranty expires... ) if the vehicle needs to be there often, I can understand wanting to trade it in... Overall, Land Rover is less reliable and cost of ownership is much higher than other brands.
I love the looks of the Defender and thought about getting one... but depreciation, cost of services, overall reliability issues... I just could not do it. But man does it look amazing. Specially in the configuration (with the options) that you got.
Your wife is making the smart decision. Best to bite the bullet and get rid of it now. Looking forward to seeing what she gets next.
Sorry that the Defender didn't work out. Good luck on getting a new vehicle (please post more videos of the car search.... love seeing the struggle involved in finding a new vehicle).
I will always be a fan of Land Rover brand for it's designed capabilities and comforts. I'd like to drive one.Unfortunately I cannot afford a new one :( I'm looking around for a used Defender but I fear it might put me in a financial hole when something breaks out once warranty is out
why would you buy something that you'd worry about financial ruin if something broke? It's just a car. No car is worth serious financial risk.
@@MrRandomcommentguy just the way I think.I chose a different vehicle and I’m happy w/it
It has nothing to do with the reliability of the defender, there are tons of defenders out there, when you have money, you want a new car every year, that's how simple it is
Misleading title for this video
Slightly misleading title. It sounds like you had one problem, but you couldn’t be happier with the vehicle
Well... Land Rover has so many opportunities to practice their customer service, they've gotten quite good at it.
Lots of positive words for the “service and repairs”. I’d prefer to have a new car that does not breakdown repeatedly from 10k miles. I was considering a defender and came to TH-cam to check reliability. Thanks for your honest assessment. I think I will pass on the LR Defender. 😅
Land Rover Discovery LR4. 120k miles only replaced two lower control arms. Best car I have ever owned.
Lovely vehicle as long as you have a good dealer, and it’s still covered under warranty. It doesn’t sound like long term reliability would be very good and I think customer satisfaction would drastically change when the paying the Land Rover repair bills.
Power steering went out at 150 miles!?!?!?!?!?! Land Rover are really outdoing themselves these days, ROFL!!!!!
Yeah I would have forced the dealer to buy it back under lemon law if there’s one in state purchased.
My Land Rover Discovery 2 is 25 yrs old , V8 gas(petrol) with 346,000kms on it. Most of the issues are to do with non Landrover parts, such as Bosch door locks, brake pins that seize the same pins used on Volvos,fords , Chrysler. Basic things, very thirsty in city . Very fixable by backyard mechanics.
Look at autotrader in the UK for Range Rovers. About the first 2-3 pages are cars with engine or gearbox problems, many with under 100k miles.
Jeremy Clarkson did a video not long ago about his. Obviously his has been maintained like royalty, but it still blew up 2 turbos costing 4k each to repair.
whats its worth now half of what you paid for it
I’m torn between the Defender and the Lexus GX. Would like to try the Defender but reviews of my local dealer is not good for service. But I get it. Sometimes just luck of draw. Had a Tesla S with no real issues. Had problems with Audi, Porsche, bmw, Mercedes.
I'm surprised that it made it to 10k miles without problems.
I think it’s pretty obvious: Range Rovers in general are extremely unreliable! It’s all been the case. beautiful vehicles but extremely unreliable!
Cap. 🧢 LR RR have consistently been far more problematic than most other brands. Yeah, Tundras have issues but the percentage of people bricking their Tundras is far less than those with LR/RR. Imagine, you’ve had these issues in the first 10k miles of ownership. Imagine what it’s like when you’ve had it for 50k. I love LR/RR. Even thought of getting a LR4 as a over landing rig. Went as far as to test drive one. Settled on a GX460 based off the feedback I got from owners. Beautiful suv. But not worth the headache.
Your videos are very entertaining and informative. Appreciate your channel. Consumer perception has inertia and is always a lagging indicator of the actual state of affairs. So no surprise that JLR may generally be more reliable than common opinion would have it, and Toyota less so.
Plus Range Rovers have the Worst Resale Value in the industry!
I have a Discovery it is a gray car. After 7 years I have only needed regular maintenance. The Defender sounds great this will be my next car.
It was a toss up between the model y and the defender for my teenaged daughter. So glad I went with the model y. In hindsight, there’s too much hassle involved with the defender regardless of cost.
Wife: "I've fallen out of love with my ticking time bomb of a vehicle."
😂😂😂
If you put some BFG KO2s, KO3s, with 33s or 35s, on 17-18 inch wheels, it would be just right. Of course, I'd get the 5 liter supercharged engine.
I wouldn’t be comfortable letting my wife or kids drive an unreliable car. My subjective experience is the ratio of problems to # sold is too high. There’s just too many better choices out there.
can not imagine dropping 90k on a landrover they are legendary for their depreciation and problems, I'd get her a 4 runner before they downgrade them to the 4cylinder
4 runners lost all class after 1996…. My 1996 is in mint condition with upgrades and will be 4$ale soon, I’m buying a Defender 💙❗️
My Landrover 76000 miles no issues apart from breaks tires etc 😊
Well, I have heard it said that if you own a Land Rover, your second vehicle needs to be a tow truck....
😂😂😂😂😂
Power steering went out twice, not good. I have a 2001 Toyota Tacoma that I bought new and still drive it, never a problem and didn't cost $100K.
No. Defender having issues in year 1 at $80K+ does not equate with a general Tundra issue at $40K. Jesus. In the first year most cars do NOT have issues.
another great review and yep, gotta keep the "boss" happy! My wife was the same with our Aviator. After the transmission went out on the fwy at 10k miles she was done. Fair or not. Can't blame the ladies for being afraid of getting stranded out in the jungle..:)
Five of my work colleagues have different model Land Rovers and they've had nothing but praise for them.
This entire video sounds like a defeated man trying to convince himself he likes the expensive purchase he made that he knows was not a smart purchase.
Land Rover knows that people don't really care about reliability until something goes wrong. So they spend money on branding and pretty interiors and posh dealerships. They make millions selling style over substance.
Land Rover's loyalty is to people who purchase the vehicle new, not someone who gets it for a 'bargain' 6 years down the line.
I had a 2006 Range Rover HSE which I bought certified preowned in 2007 and ran until 2018. Put 135,000 miles on it and the only issue I ever really had was the compressor for the air suspension crapped out on me once in 2016. The repair bill for that was $1,600 at the time.
Honestly would have gotten a Defender as a replacement if I wasn't so enamored by the Bronco when it was announced and which I have been enjoying greatly since I picked mine up in 2021 (Non Sasquatch Outer Banks 4DR with the 2.3L Ecoboost)
1 year old and 3 times unscheduled service. I can understand why wife don’t want this crap
Interesting. My ‘21 has 60K miles and other than an O2 sensor it’s been problem free. I was concerned, but this has been the most reliable car I’ve ever had in 40 years of driving. Keeping it for the long term.
Part of the issue is that most people who want to buy a Defender, want it new, so the market for a 2nd one shrinks quickly. Add in the fact that the model is quite new and frankly I would be leery of touching one from the first and 2nd year build. This will have an effect of dragging the value down as well.
I think it is the worst excuse to sell. Those are small things and was sorted out. All other negative comments here are just people who never owned a LR. As a family we have driven LR since 1993. So far 25 to date and counting including first edition 110 D240 no issues and still going. I myself drive a 110 D300 HSE and are just as happy as can be. But still selling the best version LR because of two small mechanical issues that was sorted and you having just the best service from LR is honestly is not a reason to let it go. They really do go above and beyond for the product and customers. Happy LR owner from South Africa
And this is precisely why I recommend older design new cars, like the 4Runner, Frontier, GX, to friends. Being an older design, a lot of the TSBs, refinements have already been done. Older NA motors lack some of crazy electronics and complexity of newer engines, turbo chargers, and other nonsense.
Just bought an outgoing 2023 GX for precisely this reason.
Thanks for the review. For a car at that price to break down is not acceptable. The dealership should provide a 1st class experience, they should have breakfast and tea waiting. I buy cars that are lower end and had fewer problems in year 1.
Defender is a very cool looking SUV. But having issues makes a person wonder if. I had issues with a 2015 Hyundai Santa Fe Ultimate that I got new, loved that thing, V-6 was fast.. but I could not trust it anymore so I traded it in in 2017 for a Subaru Forester XT that I kept for 6 years with 37k miles and had no issues, traded it in for a 2023 Nissan Frontier Pro4X in June 2023. I love this truck.
I can not fathom why anybody wastes their money on anything that Land Rover currently builds. Sure, great cars when working, but how long does that last. Awful reliability, lacklustre dealership support, horrifically expensive parts, painful owner experience. That my friends comes from a British guy who once lived and breathed Land Rover.
It seems it's a known issue of the Defender losing power steering in certain circumstances. Do they have a fix for this? I've seen people on their forum who bought a Defender 3-4 years ago had this same issue.
As a Tech in Puerto Rico, I've never dealt with any Power Steering issue on the Defenders, I think maybe one or two other techs did once each. So idk, different markets have different problems is what I've learned from talking to other techs at the JLR Training Academy.
Edit: well not different markets, we're still USDM, I meant different envirements.
Only good till the warranty is on.after that budget $5K++ a year on modern LR’s. Other problem is parts can take 4-8 months to arrive. Is ok as a third vehicle if you really like them and willing to maintain them. Love my Ranger, but would not buy again, mainly due to waiting for parts and only dealer can work on them for many codes eg battery on my transmission was back ordered - seriously.
'Pangea' green.... very aptly named for a Land Rover. Pangea was the super-continent that fell apart and broke into pieces.
lol That is so damn funny... I may use that line in the future
This guy's contradicting way too much
I've had four Toyotas, Prado 120, Prado 150 (company car), 79 series (still own) and a 200 Sahara TTV8 diesel (still own). 600k between them and not one break down. All of them lived in the Pilbara and did hard work. I'll give you the tip - no JLR product will last the way these did (have). BTW I also owned a Discovery but after two engine rebuilds to reach 280k I kicked the habit of these POS.
Dude, why are you apologizing sooo much for a flawed product 🤔 (it's coming across like that😢). Those of us who've owned these things we just send out warnings ⚠️ to friends. Do you want to look glamorous stranded on the road with your SUV buy a LRover/Jaguars product. OR do you want a tried , trusted and tested product. Buy a LEXUS or maybe a Benz😊
Had three RR vogues L322 model with up to 120k miles with only expected age related problems expensive to run and service but can't find another make with same kudos and luxurious daily drive
Vehicle is so problematic owner has lost confidence in it. End of video you’re welcome.
It’s been like that for over last two decades. If I am in retirement, I take to dealership every month without issues.
I’ve driven Land Rovers into battle and have owned one all my life. Would never drive anything else.
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We love it and we looooove the dealer but we are getting rid of it! 12 out of 10
Your wife is a smart woman, bet you already know that. Steering wheel given out less than 1k miles and again @ 10k with other things breaking down. Not worth the future hassle.
When a Land Rover / Range Rover owners post comments here that they never had any issues, that's a complete BS. There were known issues but owners tend to lie about it or have amnesia for some reason. It's better to share your true story that the warranty will cover the engine light, brake calipers, engine oil leak, etc., and not just be an ambassador of the brand. Bottomline is LR//RR are good looking and cool cars,, hands down, and offers social status, and that's what the brand is good at. I might get a used one by the way, because it looks cool. =D
Bro you cannot defend this brand when you have power steering going out at 150 miles, imagine the issues this car will have at 150k miles, if it makes it there
I think its just one of those "one bad apple." You are right though. Even Toyota and Lexus have had some resent mechanical or electrical problems especially with newer components. If you look at the Lexus GX460 that didnt change for a decade that had to be one of the most reliable vehicles but now there is a fully remodeled GX550. Even my in laws recently bought the RX500h and it didnt start within 300 miles. It had to be towed to the dealer. They found out it was the extra battery for the hybrid system. And hybrids have been around 10+ years now especially in a toyota. So it can happen to anybody.
Just like onetime i was on the interstate from Vegas back to Colorado and i met a guy at a rest stop. He was driving a LR sport. He said all the lights came on after the uphill and luckily he was able to stop at this rest stop. Him and his and 2 kids were stuck out there during the middle of night before a tow truck can come get them and take them to the next city. He said he has a defender too at home.
Again its just a luck of thr draw i guess. It can happen to anyone and from any manufacture vehicle. I still like the look of these defender. With the new GX550 from Lexus they look like the defender but they got rid of the 5th door. And Lexus is starting to cut corners with less luxurious components. Less premium stuff now for more price.
Is that case on the right side block your view? Too much to change for LHD?
They are not interchangeable, unless you buy one from a RHD market. JLR Tech here.
Also, they don't really block your view all that much, regardless the car has your back with Blind Spot Monitoring and most have surround cameras and ClearSight™ rear view mirror camera.
That suitcase on the side window is so stupid.
Also I'm around vehicles from every manufacture... Every manufacture has issues... These are machines.... Not every machine is perfect. It's what the manufacture does to make the experience right
Land Rover at the bottom of every reliability survey. Avoid!
since its your wife car. I like to hear her actual side of story.
These are by far the coolest cars on the market. I love the Defender (VW California owner here)
Sorry for your experience; I have had 2 Landrovers - including the L663 - best cars I have ever had 😃👍
I did buy wife a diesel Subaru I said don’t ask for a new car until you have done 200,000miles 10 years later she is up to 165,000 😁
Don't they have the most unreliable diesel known to man?
@agt155 lucky me then
I've watched your videos and still decided to order one. My build should be here in May. I'm currently driving a 2020 Lexus 460 GX. I love the car, but the infotainment system is very outdated. I chose Defender 110 over the new GX. Because my dealer told me I was 480 on the waiting list, meaning it would be 2025 before I received my truck.
I have just over 44k miles on my 2020 110 and have taken it across the country through forests and deserts. Only issue I've had was the coolant reservoir had to be replaced due to a defect. Just did my routine maintenance and asked my service agent about mechanical issues they've seen with other 110s. There's another 110 in my area with 140k+ miles and they tell me they've only had to change out the headlights. All that to say, hope you enjoy your new Defender! Don't let the negative Land Rover reliability hype train get to you.
@YoungNChannel Thanks.... Even though every vehicle is different, this was good information.
Hope you enjoy spending lots of time at the service shop.
@tspidey007 The funny thing is I've interacted with several owners who say they haven't had any problems. The new GX is going to the Tundra engine, which has had plenty of problems. Who knows how their vehicle is going perform until they drive it.
Would have ordered a Defender 90 by now but of all the things you can customize, you can’t pay for the larger screen. Just not even an option. Only thing that’s been more strange in my shopping experience is that in 2024 the Porsche Macan does not support Android Auto. Apple Play only - and they don’t apologize for it.
Much as i like Land Rover.. reliability has always been an issue for me. But if you can afford repairs, great vehicle to own