I interpreted it as Dr. Doom simply being Marvel Studios’ replacement for Kang. It’s a different “mask” or villain, but they share the same motivation and just plugged Doom into the hole that Kang left.
Personally I think he was talking about his task as the actor RDJ, to hold up the MCU on his shoulders. I am hoping that the 1st option is the one that we get, and that RDJ is just in the mask all the time and is acting as a totally different person. He's a good enough actor to pull that off I think.
They get infos in advance from these companies (insiders, meet ups with writers, directors and producers, early screenings…)so what is the point? I know it looks impressive for you average viewers but these are not theories but marketing. They working hand in hand with Amazon, Disney, etc…
@@TheInfamousDope I would have agreed with you except 80% of their theories last year were wrong.. Infact most of the time their theories ( especially during Got era) were so much better than the final product.
@@dumblydoor3741 it's okay if they're wrong. they're not in the writers rooms or in the producer/director chair. that's the fun of these channels. we get to delve into the possibilities of nerdom
How about the possibility of Marvel paying off the line that Tony says to Steve in Endgame: “when you mess with time it tends to mess back; you’ll see.” THAT, would be an interesting twist.
We now have a shared Marvel cinematic universe where Josh Brolin is both Thanos and Cable, Ryan Reynolds is both Deadpool and Hannibal King, and Chris Evans as Human Torch and Captain America. Robert as Doom should work
Do you think they trusted Tom Holland with the information that RDJ is returning? The thought of Tom finding out on the news the day after comic con has me cackling LOL
@@tdoom1354 Based on what? That he is too serious of an actor like Anthony Hopkins? Or that he's already worked for DC like Ryan Reynolds? Did Marvel dump a bunch of toxic sludge on his hometown or something?
@@DrugzMunnyI could be wrong, but I’m almost certain Cillian said he never wanted to play a superhero. Because most people who play hero’s, that tend’s to be their only role for years and years to come. Or something they’re ONLY known for. Actors like to be noticed for more than one role. Kinda like how Steve Carrel seems to not like talking about his role as Michael Scott in The Office considering he’s done sooo much more
@@georgewashington7982 Good point! It's also possible they met Victor after those events (which they've failed). Then Victor switched bodies with Stark and that's it RDJ - Victor not Stark. Still a theory haha
Doom is smart enough to create androids (Doom-bots) to carry out his plans, so he doesn't even need to be there himself. Meaning he can appear to be in multiple places at once, and isn't defeated even in the unlikely event of someone getting to 'him' & destroying 'him'. Only 60% of the time, defeating Doom works every time.
I think its more hes an easy replacement for kang. Im imagining all the instances with doom bots are just going to be the fodder kangs we saw at the end of quantum mania. So they dont have to scrap everything with kang
Ok but didn’t Chris Evans’ Johnny Storm in Deadpool & Wolverine kind of set a precedent that the same actor can be a non-variant of their character? Deadpool thought it was Captain America at first, which lends itself to the Avengers having to fight someone who looks just like someone they all love so dearly, but is a totally different person.
Except Fantastic 4 came out 19 years ago long before he was ever Cap. I don't see anybody talking about Killmonger also being Johnny Storm and that timeline would have been equally pruned in the buyout
It is. But is that was with something do with stones that Cap gonna give them back? Remember portal can send you different time line. Maybe different universe? So many possibilites.
RDJ is stunt casting to be sure. However I do believe he is also there to play on the emotions of characters who knew him. Such as Thor, Scott, Strange, Clint, and mostly importantly Peter Parker. Picture this possible scene in Secret Wars, Peter seeing an unmasked Doom and assuming he’s Tony. Peter runs over, hugs Doom, only to realize or be hurt by Doom then saying “You’re not Tony.”
i think it would be cool if he had a mask that opens or a mask he can take of, but only half his face, because the other half is scared like the commics
I believe they announced him on stage as Victor Von doom. I think they showed us in Deadpool that an actor can play two different characters. I think that’s a whole reason for that cameo to say this person can play two different characters and it’s OK. I also think RDJ as Tony Stark was amazing but I kind of got the feeling he’s going to one up it by playing the villain Victor Von doom. Plus we know when Peter Parker sees Mr. Stark again in tears only to be told by Viktor Von doom he is not tony and then probably beating him up it’s gonna break all of our hearts lol .
Honestly though the fourth option is the best one bcuz it ensures that Reed and Victor's classic rivalry is still there even if its not a true Victor Von Doom adaptation. Like they could be rivals in how smart they are and their intellectual achievements/contributions to the world. He could always be trying to one up Reed in everything until it all goes wrong one day.
Him getting the powers of the beyonder, fighting kang, ripping thanos spine out, the comic stories mixed, him meeting peter parker as doom, seeing tom cruise as superior ironman, making ironman the archor beeing 616, ironman varient standing in a shot with tobey maquire and hug jackman wolverine, doctor doom owning a badass castle like the comics, having a mask that opens half from his scared face maybe, or darker eyes/makeup. Just a little brainstorm, but if non happen im sure the movie will be great, in Kevin fiegie we trust!
It's going to be THE Victor Von Doom (surely from another universe, not the one from the sacred timeline), not a Tony variant, both Russo Brothers AND RDJ himself confirmed this!
I’m really more following the scenario in my head that they choose RDJ because he’s just such a good actor. If they can keep his mask on just like he does in the comics, then it’s not going to matter who is underneath, the only thing that will matter is that they are doing a killer job with the role
RDJ is too valuable to leave the mask on though. Most actors have agents who refuse to sign them for a role unless they get a certain amount of facetime on the screen, and you can bet your life savings that's the case here.
@@SShortyduwaaap because he’s a great actor like I said. At the end of the day nobody knows what they have planned for Doom and why they choose RDJ, that’s just the scenario I want to happen and would make the most sense for me to be on board with his casting.
I really like the idea of Tony being the anchor being of the MCU. This could put Doctor Strange in a pretty stressful role once it’s revealed, as he’s the one who put the idea of a sacrificial play into Tony’s head, therefore getting the anchor being of his universe killed.
My theory is RDJ is playing a variant of Tony who is the same as MCU Tony until he gets kidnapped. While kidnapped, instead of making mach 1 armor, he makes a doom suit. Instead of feeling bad about the destruction his weapons have caused he becomes radicalized and believes that he is the only one who can fix the world and everyone else is a threat to his world peace
Remember in Infinity War that Tony unknowingly leaned up against the "Cauldron of the Cosmos" in the Sanctum Sanctorum… so who knows what essence of Stark could’ve cooked up in the multiverse stew. To refer Doctor who’s Clara who went into Time vortex to save the doctor, It could mean multiple Starks got reborn as Doom to save the multiverses through Loki’s shenanigans with the timelines. Loki is watching from his realm, Kang is still around so he’s giving the multiverses a chance.
I don't agree with your what if. My only problem with it is that you're making this dr doom a stark variant. But he's not he was announced as the one person who could play VICTOR VON DOOM. Not Tony von doom or a stark variant and well yes dr doom but he was announced as victor von doom. So he's a victor variant not a tony variant just like how chris evans's johnny storm in both deadpool 3 and the fantastic 4 movies isn't a steve rogers variant but a johnny storm variant instead. Or in other words people looking similiar in alternate dimensions does not always mean they're variants of eachother.
I agree thinking it’s Victor, but at least here he explained it in a way where if the timeline was different he could become Victor Von Doom, which makes sense actually. I’m leaning the it just actually being like Victor from another timeline, but I love how he explained it, anddd tied in Kang
I wonder what they would've done if there were a bunch of no's and boo's in Hall H when they revealed him. Would they have pulled the plug on the idea and canceled all the contracts to rethink the story?
casting RDJ as Doom is a bold boss move… they KNOW how “fans” will react… they KNOW it will be confusing for regular cinema-goers… they KNOW they’ll get slammed “desperate”… so they also KNOW the reason they’re doing it is gonna be 100% WORTH THAT RISK!! dark twisted opportunities now open to them and the emotional rollercoaster audiences will experience is what Joe Russo describes as “unimaginable” - CRAZY jaw-dropping potential and i’m here for ALL OF IT!! 💥💥💥💥💥
Many saw it as bold to also cast him as Tony in the first place. Remember, he was coming out of his alcohol and drug abuse. He was a persona non grata because of his past. They took a shot and it paid off by the thousands. I think they will definetely make it work. Somehow. With Deadpook & Wolverine, the Multiverse opens up many doors.
@@3phasefault if his name is Victor von Doom, then no, he can’t. It would be a tremendous waste of potential as a character and completely destroyed Doom for what he is. I don’t think that they’ll go that route, though.
I hear you. But i think at this point. Its insane to think they have anything resemebling a plan. It just comes off as they're trying to salvage this saga as best they can and move on
Yeah but rdj is here to fill in for Kang in the next movies he probably won't be doing doom after secret wars. It's oblivious he going be some variant of stark or doom. I'm for it can't complain before I see it
I beleive its either a variant or a Loki like moment where Tony is ripped unexpectedly from the sacred timeline and instead of a redemption arc gets a villians arc.
3:36 Too out there?!?! We just watched a movie where two characters who touched matter and anti-matter to stop the McGuffin from destroying the universe... We have crossed the line of belief long back!
This channel never acknowledges Victor's romani gypsy origins nor how great of a sorcerer he is that is compared to Steven Strange They just see mask and technology savant He's much more than that
2 other options..... 1. Howard had a secret family in Latveria that he denied. The mother and son lived a poor, harsh life. Victor looks just like Tony and hates it. He tries to experiment on his face and gets the metal mask stuck to it. Boom! Dr Doom. 2. When Tony snaps his fingers with the stones. He made another wish. That if he was ever needed again he would return from the dead more ruthless and aggressive. And anyone that tried to stop him would face Doom. Marvel send me a check. 5% is cool.
I've seen some speculation that it refers to the whole "suit of armor around the world" goal. So Doom's objective will probably be about saving the world or something like that, but he'll go about it in a villainous, brute force kind of way like with Thanos. In the Secret Wars comics, the different universes were colliding and destroying each other. Doom solved it by basically fusing everything into one world called Battleworld, where he ruled as its god. I imagine something similar will happen.
I was so glad to hear when someone brought up Gemma Chan who also played 2 roles in different Marvel movies, most often actors/actresses have 2 if not more roles of characters that are in Marvel. Chris Evans as both Johnny Storm & Captain America, Idris Elba as both Moreau & Heindall even Josh Brolin as both Cable & Thanos.
I'm down for this. The armor around the world line always stuck with me. Would also love a plot where 616 avengers meet RDJ Doom and think they know what he's capable of, while 616 F4 think they know him as well.
I agree, I think there is no way they get RDJ to come back if RDJ didn’t like the idea and if this wasn’t part of a solid plan. I mean I saw reports about RDJ coming back as Doom weeks before the announcement at SDCC. So I think this has been the plan for a while or at least since the situation with Jonathan Majors. I think this has been in the works longer than people think and isn’t just a desperate ass pull.
They referred to him as Victor Von Doom in the announcement-- he's not going to be Tony in and capacity. He's going to play both for one paycheck, essentially
I like your alternate timeline theory. It gets people thinking. Doctor Doom is such a forgotten character in modern media nowadays, when he's such a GOOD character. Seeing RDJ bring justice to this supposed alternate Doc Doom would be amazing to watch
Thank you for always being optimistic, looking on the bright side, and exploring and explaining options outside of our normal spectrum of view. I would have never concluded such options and you opened my eyes to what could be and I think it would be a very, very cool perspective to see!
It's just a different character, the thing many people are failing to remember is that why Victor Von Doom wears a mask in the first place, he is disfigured so he isn't gonna look like Tony Stark at all just because RDJ is playing him.
Honestly I think it just comes down to the simple fact that you need an actor of RDJ's caliber to adequately portray such an iconic villain as Dr. Doom. Especially since Marvel seriously dropped the ball by not establishing the character in any way and they need to do a spectacular speed run back story before the 2 Avengers movies so the audience is invested in Victor Von Doom as much as they are for Thanos or even Loki. Given the special effects/CGI possibilities available now, I'm not worried about Victor Von Doom looking and sounding suspiciously like Tony Stark. Also having the Russo brothers directing is another smart move, they have proven that they can handle multiple characters and Secret Wars is going to dwarf Endgame by far on that.
Cillian Murphy could've easily filled that role, he's just as skilled an actor as Tony and has a wider range of characters he's played. Hopefully he gets the Doom casting for the next saga, since we know Doom sure as shit ain't gonna be one and done after this saga
@@jarrettmaynard6306 Absolutely. Casting RDJ as Doom because "we need a star" is the height of B.S. Cillian Murphy would've been a great choice for a younger Doom. If they wanted someone RDJ's age, cast Predrag Bjelac, or Nikola Djuricko, or Misha Collins or Tobias Menzies. For that matter, get Jason Isaacs on the phone! Holy hell would he be a brilliantly charming, terrifying Dr. Doom! Or if they were going for a bit younger, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Tobias Santelmann, even I bet Michiel Huisman could've done a great turn at making Doom a fully-fleshed out villain.
When RDJ was shown as Dr. Doom. I already assumed that we would be an alternate universe version of Tony Stark, who changed his name to Victor Von Doom, and took the role of Dr. Doom with the same task that 616 Tony had, just taking it in a more villainous way.
This is why I wait for your videos! I had such a weird reaction to the announcement. I had all these theories running through my head but you've made sense of them, thank you!!
I guarantee you that they change dr dooms back story and he's not even gonna be named Victor which will piss alot of people off. But he's gonna be a tony stark variant that goes evil because of how things turns out in his universe Guaranteed.
I personally hope they drop the idea of 'anchor beings'. Paradox could have been lying about that to manipulate Deadpool, which went sideways for Paradox as we saw. That way the various universes can more organically be whatever they need them to be story-wise. Basically, 'anchor beings' is a concept that could be more of a plot hole than anything useful if you start applying that concept into every other story.
Ooooo here's an idea. So while jumping around time to get the stones in End Game, Tony had a run in with his Dad. What if some kind of butterfly effect happened to prevent Tony's Dad from ever being in his life. Could Ironman -positive influence of Howard Stark = Dr. DOOM
What if they do the body swap angle and Doom is actually Cillian Murphy but Tony is trapped in his body. Cillian Murphy acting as Tony Stark would be wild
“Same task” is believably delivering yet another very complicated character who wears a mask. RJD is a fantastic actor. He’ll deliver. But can hardly wait to see Dr. Doom doing his thing in the big screen!
Before I even watch this, Downey signed up for about a dozen picture deal and has a few more movies on his contract. Using him as Doom makes sense from a financial standpoint. Also, in the comics, Doom and Stark trade places, so I am hoping for that storyline or a version of it.
RDJ isn't playing an alternate Tony Stark. Joe Russo explicitly said "the one person who could play VICTOR VON DOOM." RDJ is playing Victor Von Doom, NOT Tony Stark. There is a world where there is no Tony Stark, and that is the Fantastic 4 world.
In Endgame they intentionally left in that haunting line: "When you mess with time it tends to mess back. YOU'LL SEE." Tony knew something that nobody else did and it's extremely unclear when he might have learned it. Now, it's possible that he was just letting slip that he always knew Cap was going back for Peggy and had been watching everything from the background. But I think there's a bigger story there and always has been; we are maybe just getting to see it now. Also: That "Baxter Building" looked an awful lot like the top portion of Avengers Tower!
all the people that could’ve got that role instead of RDJ David Alpay - FROM TV Series Penn Badgley - Margin Call (Movie) Jared Padalecki - Supernatural TV Series Rupert Friend - Hitman Agent 47 (Movie) Jamie Campbell - Stranger Things
@@davinalopez-oz1ez I've been seeing alot of TROLL accounts say that Feige and Disney is desperate, explain to us all how are they desperate? please elaborate...
@@takeomasaki260 using their most beloved actor in their franchise to play a character that they’re using to replace Kang, having a short time to find a replacement before production for the next Avengers movie starts, after years of losing the general audience…not hard to comprehend at all 🫤
@@davinalopez-oz1ez what you call desperate is ultimately a MASTER chess move. I wouldn't expect you to understand how power plays work though. In due time you will see the genius in this casting. In Feige We Trust !!!!!!!!!!
I like the last theory, where Kang's absence "causes" the emergence of someone to fill the gap. But no, I don't think there was any way they dropped hints about RSJ playing Doom. This was not what they originally planned. The plan was Kang before.
What do you think "new mask, same task" means?
it means eminem has been real quiet since he dropped those bars
I interpreted it as Dr. Doom simply being Marvel Studios’ replacement for Kang. It’s a different “mask” or villain, but they share the same motivation and just plugged Doom into the hole that Kang left.
"A suit of armor around the world." Though probably a bit more devious with Doom than with Tony.
Personally I think he was talking about his task as the actor RDJ, to hold up the MCU on his shoulders. I am hoping that the 1st option is the one that we get, and that RDJ is just in the mask all the time and is acting as a totally different person. He's a good enough actor to pull that off I think.
"peace in our time"
Once we get the movies, please do a combined episode of "what I got wrong vs. what i got right" because you have some WILD theories rn.
They did that for 2023..it was fun
They get infos in advance from these companies (insiders, meet ups with writers, directors and producers, early screenings…)so what is the point? I know it looks impressive for you average viewers but these are not theories but marketing. They working hand in hand with Amazon, Disney, etc…
@@TheInfamousDope I would have agreed with you except 80% of their theories last year were wrong..
Infact most of the time their theories ( especially during Got era) were so much better than the final product.
They do that annually...
@@dumblydoor3741 it's okay if they're wrong. they're not in the writers rooms or in the producer/director chair. that's the fun of these channels. we get to delve into the possibilities of nerdom
I mean Tony did discover Time/Multiverse Travel. So it’s kinda interesting that the ultimate villain would be a Tony stark look alike.
He didn’t discover multiverse travel.
MCU are desperate
In fact. This is false. 🥱😑👌
@@SubbedInKanjiDidn’t he discover how to travel to other timelines/ universe in Endgame?
@@davinalopez-oz1ezI mean it’s called the multiverse saga. Did you really think you wouldn’t see him again😂😂
How about the possibility of Marvel paying off the line that Tony says to Steve in Endgame: “when you mess with time it tends to mess back; you’ll see.”
THAT, would be an interesting twist.
This is good.
Really good
Love that
Love me that plot twist
I love that.
RDJ could totally play multiple characters. Remember, he's the dude playin' the dude, disguised as another dude!
This!!! ❤
Underrated.
Iykyk, lol
Here you go… take your W…Good Job!! 😂
🤣😂😅🤣 Love it!
We now have a shared Marvel cinematic universe where Josh Brolin is both Thanos and Cable, Ryan Reynolds is both Deadpool and Hannibal King, and Chris Evans as Human Torch and Captain America. Robert as Doom should work
Wow this actually made me feel a little better about it
and Ben Affleck is Daredevil and the Batman we don’t need, but deserve
@@joelmacgregor2615you do realise Batman is in the DC universe
I don't know why people are making a big deal about this. Doom never shows his face.
@@Lizardbrainzzz that's why he said "the batman we don't need"
i guess RDJ gets to be in all avenger movies
Lol i didn't even realise that
Untill he's 90
Lmao deadpool reference. Disney😂@@stephenrobinson8244
And next, Hugh Jackman as Galactus!!
@@DAMfoxygrampa😂
He started it, & he’s gonna finish it… again.
What is this "finish it" mentality people keep going on about
@@RamWorkz RDJ was the first hero introduced in the MCU. And now he's the Final villain before the reboot.
He finished with endgame the main story at the time @@RamWorkz
Cause that’s how dad did it and that’s how America does it!
@@RamWorkzreboot after secret wars
RDJ was originally considered for Dr Doom in the 2005 Fantastic Four movie, but that never happened, so this has been basically 19 years in the making
That’s not the reason the movie has a lot of imagery and only Robert Downey can continue that
@@xaviev6714LOL yup he’s the only actor 😂
@@tennisman8304 don’t you get it ?
They're 19 years too late.
He wasn’t considered, he failed that audition lol. Just because you audition doesn’t make you considered 😂😂
Do you think they trusted Tom Holland with the information that RDJ is returning? The thought of Tom finding out on the news the day after comic con has me cackling LOL
He’s washed up as a actor so he really don’t care as much as when he started
@@DaftEddy2025”washed up?” He was in the highest film from last year. Also it was a whole summer event Barbie and Openheimer
@@kay-jay1581 in other words, he's done with the Hollywood BS that he ain't got time for all that.
I'm gonna guess he didn't know 😂. I'd like a reaction video however 🤣
the movie is probably like being created, so yeah he probably knew
RDJ being the anchor could explain why all other movies after endgame were shit because the MCU was falling apart
😂
No way home? Guardians 3? Shang chi?
@sirspoonkm. Good job, you were able to count the 3 good movies out of the last 20!
@@TheScumBads_Officialso? That’s still not all movies.
😂😂😂 omg
“TILL YOU ARE 90!”
Well, prepare to see this already lame joke for the next 5 years.
Nice
@@ServusDeiSmithyou seem sad 😢
@@ServusDeiSmith next 5 years? no, "Till you're 90!"
😂😂
Your mention of Oppenheimer backs up that Cillian Murphy would also play a great doom. Hope he’s the choice for 616 doom
Cillian would never join Marvel
@@tdoom1354 Based on what? That he is too serious of an actor like Anthony Hopkins? Or that he's already worked for DC like Ryan Reynolds? Did Marvel dump a bunch of toxic sludge on his hometown or something?
@@DrugzMunnyI could be wrong, but I’m almost certain Cillian said he never wanted to play a superhero.
Because most people who play hero’s, that tend’s to be their only role for years and years to come.
Or something they’re ONLY known for.
Actors like to be noticed for more than one role. Kinda like how Steve Carrel seems to not like talking about his role as Michael Scott in The Office considering he’s done sooo much more
RDJ NOT GOOD FOR DOOM. GET ANOTHER ACTOR
"You mess with time, it tends to mess back.” -Tony Stark/Ironman Endgame
I think this RDJ - DOOM came from one of the 14,000,605 possible outcomes of Dr. Strange saw that they didn't win over thanos.
Could it be tied back to Thanos eluding to knowing Stark. It's a stretch but possible
@@AC-yw2qsthat would not make sense, cus the Russo bros said that RDJ will be victor von doom, not stark
@@georgewashington7982 Good point! It's also possible they met Victor after those events (which they've failed). Then Victor switched bodies with Stark and that's it RDJ - Victor not Stark. Still a theory haha
Lived long enough to both die a hero and see himself become the villain.
The stage was full of Dr. Doom. Are they hinting we're getting multiple Dr. Dooms in the movie like they tried with Kangs???
Just Doom bots
That has to be it
Doom is smart enough to create androids (Doom-bots) to carry out his plans, so he doesn't even need to be there himself. Meaning he can appear to be in multiple places at once, and isn't defeated even in the unlikely event of someone getting to 'him' & destroying 'him'.
Only 60% of the time, defeating Doom works every time.
I think its more hes an easy replacement for kang. Im imagining all the instances with doom bots are just going to be the fodder kangs we saw at the end of quantum mania. So they dont have to scrap everything with kang
suit of armor around the world
Ok but didn’t Chris Evans’ Johnny Storm in Deadpool & Wolverine kind of set a precedent that the same actor can be a non-variant of their character?
Deadpool thought it was Captain America at first, which lends itself to the Avengers having to fight someone who looks just like someone they all love so dearly, but is a totally different person.
good catch m'boy
They literally said that in the video when talking about the actors who already played previous roles in the MCU
@@TheInfamousDope you sure bout that?
Except Fantastic 4 came out 19 years ago long before he was ever Cap. I don't see anybody talking about Killmonger also being Johnny Storm and that timeline would have been equally pruned in the buyout
It is. But is that was with something do with stones that Cap gonna give them back? Remember portal can send you different time line. Maybe different universe? So many possibilites.
RDJ is stunt casting to be sure. However I do believe he is also there to play on the emotions of characters who knew him. Such as Thor, Scott, Strange, Clint, and mostly importantly Peter Parker. Picture this possible scene in Secret Wars, Peter seeing an unmasked Doom and assuming he’s Tony. Peter runs over, hugs Doom, only to realize or be hurt by Doom then saying “You’re not Tony.”
"I am... Doom."
The "good luck on your mission, Doctor" reference is such a deep cut
Oh my gosh I get it now
I assumed that RDJ was just doing the voice, like Doom was not going to take the mask off because his face was severely disfigured this time around
i think it would be cool if he had a mask that opens or a mask he can take of, but only half his face, because the other half is scared like the commics
Sadly doom's mask got melted onto his skin and it can't be taken off @@mathiasfrandsen5468
_I can't WAIT for Parker to meet this Doom._
_Interactions gonna be CRAZY!_
Noone on 616 remembers Peter anyway
I'm sure that's the cheap shock factor they will go with. Peter will thwip Doom's mask off.
@_Amit_Sunil
Uhh, okay...?
What's that gotta do wit Peter looking at someone who looks like Stark?
That's what I'm talkin bout!
If Feige has brain cells, we WON’T and should NOT ever see Doom’s face. But due to needing to see an actor’s face, this is unfortunately possible.
It’ll be Peter meeting Tony not doom no what they do
I believe they announced him on stage as Victor Von doom. I think they showed us in Deadpool that an actor can play two different characters. I think that’s a whole reason for that cameo to say this person can play two different characters and it’s OK. I also think RDJ as Tony Stark was amazing but I kind of got the feeling he’s going to one up it by playing the villain Victor Von doom. Plus we know when Peter Parker sees Mr. Stark again in tears only to be told by Viktor Von doom he is not tony and then probably beating him up it’s gonna break all of our hearts lol .
Double-casting has been a thing since Phase Two.
@@levischorpioen yes I know he said that in the video, but this is the first time besides that big cameo in Deadpool that it’s been a main character.
@@Jimmy074x4I don’t think it will happen sadly.
Doom: Peter... Parker?
Peter: Mr.Stark?
Doom: no.
(Doom then Kills Peter Parker)
spot on analysis @Jimmy074x4… cldnt agree more! 💥👌🏼
Honestly though the fourth option is the best one bcuz it ensures that Reed and Victor's classic rivalry is still there even if its not a true Victor Von Doom adaptation. Like they could be rivals in how smart they are and their intellectual achievements/contributions to the world. He could always be trying to one up Reed in everything until it all goes wrong one day.
Him getting the powers of the beyonder, fighting kang, ripping thanos spine out, the comic stories mixed, him meeting peter parker as doom, seeing tom cruise as superior ironman, making ironman the archor beeing 616, ironman varient standing in a shot with tobey maquire and hug jackman wolverine, doctor doom owning a badass castle like the comics, having a mask that opens half from his scared face maybe, or darker eyes/makeup. Just a little brainstorm, but if non happen im sure the movie will be great, in Kevin fiegie we trust!
Im fully expecting it to be an alternate timeline where Tony Stark BECAME Dr. Doom
It's going to be THE Victor Von Doom (surely from another universe, not the one from the sacred timeline), not a Tony variant, both Russo Brothers AND RDJ himself confirmed this!
I’m really more following the scenario in my head that they choose RDJ because he’s just such a good actor. If they can keep his mask on just like he does in the comics, then it’s not going to matter who is underneath, the only thing that will matter is that they are doing a killer job with the role
You know his mask will come off sometime during the fight and it will mess the Avengers heads up of what to do
RDJ is too valuable to leave the mask on though. Most actors have agents who refuse to sign them for a role unless they get a certain amount of facetime on the screen, and you can bet your life savings that's the case here.
@@almostadonovanDoom never takes his mask off and you don’t know wtf kind of deal RDJ agreed on with Marvel
If he's going to keep the mask on, then what's the point of getting RDJ? for his voice?
@@SShortyduwaaap because he’s a great actor like I said. At the end of the day nobody knows what they have planned for Doom and why they choose RDJ, that’s just the scenario I want to happen and would make the most sense for me to be on board with his casting.
I feel the movie is gonna look like S2 Ep1 Avengers “Earth mightiest hero’s” animated series fr
The mcu wishes it was Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. 😒
No...AEMH was good. This is shit!!!
@@GTheoryTVI’m against RDJ Doom but you can’t say that when we don’t even have a trailer.
i’ve been wanting them to just adapt that universe so bad it’s legit aura
@@DJ-hx9ojhopefully after Secret Wars since it'll apparently lead to a soft reboot.
I really like the idea of Tony being the anchor being of the MCU.
This could put Doctor Strange in a pretty stressful role once it’s revealed, as he’s the one who put the idea of a sacrificial play into Tony’s head, therefore getting the anchor being of his universe killed.
My theory is RDJ is playing a variant of Tony who is the same as MCU Tony until he gets kidnapped. While kidnapped, instead of making mach 1 armor, he makes a doom suit. Instead of feeling bad about the destruction his weapons have caused he becomes radicalized and believes that he is the only one who can fix the world and everyone else is a threat to his world peace
Great. But it sounds like wat Ultron would do.
Ultron 2.0
I really hope not, I just want doom to be doom.
@@inspiritinghearts ultron is Tony in AI form lbs
would be interesting, but the Russos already confirmed that this character is Victor, not Tony
Remember in Infinity War that Tony unknowingly leaned up against the "Cauldron of the Cosmos" in the Sanctum Sanctorum… so who knows what essence of Stark could’ve cooked up in the multiverse stew. To refer Doctor who’s Clara who went into Time vortex to save the doctor, It could mean multiple Starks got reborn as Doom to save the multiverses through Loki’s shenanigans with the timelines. Loki is watching from his realm, Kang is still around so he’s giving the multiverses a chance.
I don't agree with your what if. My only problem with it is that you're making this dr doom a stark variant. But he's not he was announced as the one person who could play VICTOR VON DOOM. Not Tony von doom or a stark variant and well yes dr doom but he was announced as victor von doom. So he's a victor variant not a tony variant just like how chris evans's johnny storm in both deadpool 3 and the fantastic 4 movies isn't a steve rogers variant but a johnny storm variant instead. Or in other words people looking similiar in alternate dimensions does not always mean they're variants of eachother.
I agree thinking it’s Victor, but at least here he explained it in a way where if the timeline was different he could become Victor Von Doom, which makes sense actually. I’m leaning the it just actually being like Victor from another timeline, but I love how he explained it, anddd tied in Kang
Regardless, im really looking forward to seeing how the Multiverse Saga ends, this is going to be interesting!
The “Baxter Building” on that mat looks familiar…
I think we all guessed where Avengers Tower was gonna end up.
This one video alone has given me hope. That What If scenario is pretty solid.
Anchor being..I like that
I wonder what they would've done if there were a bunch of no's and boo's in Hall H when they revealed him. Would they have pulled the plug on the idea and canceled all the contracts to rethink the story?
No one boos Robert Downey Jr
I feel like people generally likes RDJ or a fan of him, he can never be booed
Thankfully, we don’t live in that reality so there is no answer to your question.
Did you honestly think the crowd would boo him LMFAO. The haters are only loud on the internet
@@hih1951h Two magical words: what if 🙄
casting RDJ as Doom is a bold boss move… they KNOW how “fans” will react… they KNOW it will be confusing for regular cinema-goers… they KNOW they’ll get slammed “desperate”… so they also KNOW the reason they’re doing it is gonna be 100% WORTH THAT RISK!!
dark twisted opportunities now open to them and the emotional rollercoaster audiences will experience is what Joe Russo describes as “unimaginable” - CRAZY jaw-dropping potential and i’m here for ALL OF IT!!
💥💥💥💥💥
Whatever it takes to make yourself believe this isn't the desperation move this is.
Many saw it as bold to also cast him as Tony in the first place. Remember, he was coming out of his alcohol and drug abuse. He was a persona non grata because of his past. They took a shot and it paid off by the thousands. I think they will definetely make it work. Somehow. With Deadpook & Wolverine, the Multiverse opens up many doors.
They really took “once you live longer enough to see yourself become the villain” to another level
I’m really interested to see how they tackle his character since they confirmed he’s playing Victor von Doom and not some Stark variant
I mean, to play devil's advocate, how important is a name? Can't Victor von doom be a tony stark variant?
@@3phasefaultmight as well be a stark variant with a different or changed name
@@3phasefault if his name is Victor von Doom, then no, he can’t. It would be a tremendous waste of potential as a character and completely destroyed Doom for what he is. I don’t think that they’ll go that route, though.
What about Victor Timely? And Kang? They're variants and have different names🤷🏽♂️ It's possible in my opinion
And also Qeng, Nathaniel Richards, etc.
RDJ is gonna kill this role!
destroy it yes
in a good way
He will but it still seems cheap…
@@iamssmedia 👍👍
So desperate
I hear you. But i think at this point. Its insane to think they have anything resemebling a plan. It just comes off as they're trying to salvage this saga as best they can and move on
Yup, they couldn’t stand just rehiring JM and moving on with Kang. Now they’re scrambling and spitballing ideas
Yeah but rdj is here to fill in for Kang in the next movies he probably won't be doing doom after secret wars. It's oblivious he going be some variant of stark or doom. I'm for it can't complain before I see it
"Salvage" as of the biggest franchise in history needs to be salvaged while raking in billions a year.
I beleive its either a variant or a Loki like moment where Tony is ripped unexpectedly from the sacred timeline and instead of a redemption arc gets a villians arc.
12:16 Howard Stark figured out the element that made that arc reactor stability possible.
3:36 Too out there?!?! We just watched a movie where two characters who touched matter and anti-matter to stop the McGuffin from destroying the universe... We have crossed the line of belief long back!
This channel never acknowledges Victor's romani gypsy origins nor how great of a sorcerer he is that is compared to Steven Strange
They just see mask and technology savant
He's much more than that
while listening to Madonna!
2 other options.....
1. Howard had a secret family in Latveria that he denied. The mother and son lived a poor, harsh life. Victor looks just like Tony and hates it. He tries to experiment on his face and gets the metal mask stuck to it. Boom! Dr Doom.
2. When Tony snaps his fingers with the stones. He made another wish. That if he was ever needed again he would return from the dead more ruthless and aggressive. And anyone that tried to stop him would face Doom.
Marvel send me a check. 5% is cool.
Once again thank god fans don’t write the movies
@@magicike2254 ikr
@@magicike2254 geez 🥺. I'm sorry.
I thought the first idea would be quite good if it counts cause wow lol
Ignore the bullies 😊
You cookin with the last theory 👨🏻🍳
I've seen some speculation that it refers to the whole "suit of armor around the world" goal. So Doom's objective will probably be about saving the world or something like that, but he'll go about it in a villainous, brute force kind of way like with Thanos.
In the Secret Wars comics, the different universes were colliding and destroying each other. Doom solved it by basically fusing everything into one world called Battleworld, where he ruled as its god. I imagine something similar will happen.
Just wanted to say. Been watching for years and I love your hypothesis and the positivity you bring EVERY VIDEO. Thanks!
I was so glad to hear when someone brought up Gemma Chan who also played 2 roles in different Marvel movies, most often actors/actresses have 2 if not more roles of characters that are in Marvel. Chris Evans as both Johnny Storm & Captain America, Idris Elba as both Moreau & Heindall even Josh Brolin as both Cable & Thanos.
He got cast because marvel is terrified and went with the safest most profitable bet they could possibly do. There is no other reason.
Exactly. They basically tanked this last phase. Deadpool is a one off. So they brought back Mr Moneybags to salvage the wreck
Well no shit
@@arriuscalpurniuspisothe only good movies was no way home and Deadpool lol
He got cast because the Russos like working with him. What you said doesn't even make any sense.
@@michaelmorningstar8645 If you think it doesn't make sense, then you're clearly just an MCU fan boy who can't think for their own. LMAO
This is the type of energy I like, it's like they ain't hungry no more
I loved the announcement but I couldn’t imagine how would it work, now I can! Awesome theory as always 👏🏼
I'm down for this. The armor around the world line always stuck with me. Would also love a plot where 616 avengers meet RDJ Doom and think they know what he's capable of, while 616 F4 think they know him as well.
If doom is behind the mask the whole time - we don’t have to worry about who’s under the mask. We get to just enjoy the performance.
Ok but you know if they're paying for Robert Downey JR. We're gonna see him more without the mask than with the mask right?
But he won’t be behind the mask the entire time.
Let the actor act they not just one character. This is their job not identity
@@justcommoncurtNo. Your assumption is baseless. It's not like he's Megan Fox and just gets cast because people want to look at him.
This is definitely part of a plan
I'd have to agree.
I agree, I think there is no way they get RDJ to come back if RDJ didn’t like the idea and if this wasn’t part of a solid plan. I mean I saw reports about RDJ coming back as Doom weeks before the announcement at SDCC. So I think this has been the plan for a while or at least since the situation with Jonathan Majors. I think this has been in the works longer than people think and isn’t just a desperate ass pull.
They referred to him as Victor Von Doom in the announcement-- he's not going to be Tony in and capacity. He's going to play both for one paycheck, essentially
Johnny Storm changed this. Deadpool thought it was Cap. So multiple characters can see two different people
simply, there are timelines where Tony was not named Tony but it's still technically the same person
Ima be annoyed if they bring doom in for 2 movies and then he’s gone.
"Tony!?"Spiderman
"Who's Tony
I have one name..... DOOM!"
At 1:03 I think there might be Ryan Reynolds hiding behind the DD mask standing behind RDJ. Look at his eyes!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's so so hard to tell, but it's hilarious 👀😂
If they make RDJ a Tony Stark variant that will assassinate the Victor Von Doom character.
I like your alternate timeline theory. It gets people thinking. Doctor Doom is such a forgotten character in modern media nowadays, when he's such a GOOD character. Seeing RDJ bring justice to this supposed alternate Doc Doom would be amazing to watch
Thank you for always being optimistic, looking on the bright side, and exploring and explaining options outside of our normal spectrum of view. I would have never concluded such options and you opened my eyes to what could be and I think it would be a very, very cool perspective to see!
Until the Hall H announcement I thought that John Malkovich would be playing Doctor Doom.
A ton of us were convinced it was Howard Stern, he even said on a hot mic that he was recording for "Doom" and we never found out what he meant
Dude this is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels on here. My god you guys kill it!!
Casting RDJ as Dr Doom reinvigeorted my waing interest in the MCU. Actually looking forward to what comes next!
Your video is really informative😊😊
It's just a different character, the thing many people are failing to remember is that why Victor Von Doom wears a mask in the first place, he is disfigured so he isn't gonna look like Tony Stark at all just because RDJ is playing him.
I hope he's not an alternative Tony Stark, just be Victor von Doom
Nah, when they reboot the mcu, there will be a true VVD. Let this onr be a variant of tony stark.
No
@@wolvgrizz7763They won't reboot the MCU.
Honestly I think it just comes down to the simple fact that you need an actor of RDJ's caliber to adequately portray such an iconic villain as Dr. Doom. Especially since Marvel seriously dropped the ball by not establishing the character in any way and they need to do a spectacular speed run back story before the 2 Avengers movies so the audience is invested in Victor Von Doom as much as they are for Thanos or even Loki. Given the special effects/CGI possibilities available now, I'm not worried about Victor Von Doom looking and sounding suspiciously like Tony Stark.
Also having the Russo brothers directing is another smart move, they have proven that they can handle multiple characters and Secret Wars is going to dwarf Endgame by far on that.
Cillian Murphy could've easily filled that role, he's just as skilled an actor as Tony and has a wider range of characters he's played. Hopefully he gets the Doom casting for the next saga, since we know Doom sure as shit ain't gonna be one and done after this saga
@@jarrettmaynard6306 Absolutely. Casting RDJ as Doom because "we need a star" is the height of B.S. Cillian Murphy would've been a great choice for a younger Doom. If they wanted someone RDJ's age, cast Predrag Bjelac, or Nikola Djuricko, or Misha Collins or Tobias Menzies. For that matter, get Jason Isaacs on the phone! Holy hell would he be a brilliantly charming, terrifying Dr. Doom! Or if they were going for a bit younger, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Tobias Santelmann, even I bet Michiel Huisman could've done a great turn at making Doom a fully-fleshed out villain.
When RDJ was shown as Dr. Doom. I already assumed that we would be an alternate universe version of Tony Stark, who changed his name to Victor Von Doom, and took the role of Dr. Doom with the same task that 616 Tony had, just taking it in a more villainous way.
Timing. If Tony was a soldier in WW I, he'd be 60ish in the FF movie. So timeliness kinda works
Always astounded by your theorizing on these things. Gives me hope for a great story to come out of all this.
Of all the years of following, this channel never misses.
This is why I wait for your videos! I had such a weird reaction to the announcement. I had all these theories running through my head but you've made sense of them, thank you!!
0:02 looks like a spot for the arc reactor in the chest area🙂
bad
RDJ should play all the avengers.
I think the “same task” is about Marvel Studios trying to follow through on their initial plan for Secret Wars (when it was with Kang).
11:41 i like this what if scenario
When they introduce RDJ as DD, I remember that Cap's line in End game which you had showed on your video
Robert Downey Jr. is carrying Marvel and they LITERALLY know it because of this casting
Okay, I really dislike the RDJ casting, but your story sounds AMAZING!!
I guarantee you that they change dr dooms back story and he's not even gonna be named Victor which will piss alot of people off. But he's gonna be a tony stark variant that goes evil because of how things turns out in his universe Guaranteed.
I personally hope they drop the idea of 'anchor beings'. Paradox could have been lying about that to manipulate Deadpool, which went sideways for Paradox as we saw. That way the various universes can more organically be whatever they need them to be story-wise. Basically, 'anchor beings' is a concept that could be more of a plot hole than anything useful if you start applying that concept into every other story.
Ooooo here's an idea. So while jumping around time to get the stones in End Game, Tony had a run in with his Dad. What if some kind of butterfly effect happened to prevent Tony's Dad from ever being in his life. Could Ironman -positive influence of Howard Stark = Dr. DOOM
That’s a nice idea. Gives some continuity to the whole thing.
What if they do the body swap angle and Doom is actually Cillian Murphy but Tony is trapped in his body. Cillian Murphy acting as Tony Stark would be wild
Imagine Thanos knew Starks name because he met Doom Stark
Oh wow that hell of a thought! 👍
_He somehow lived a villain and died a hero._
“Same task” is believably delivering yet another very complicated character who wears a mask.
RJD is a fantastic actor. He’ll deliver. But can hardly wait to see Dr. Doom doing his thing in the big screen!
Before I even watch this, Downey signed up for about a dozen picture deal and has a few more movies on his contract. Using him as Doom makes sense from a financial standpoint. Also, in the comics, Doom and Stark trade places, so I am hoping for that storyline or a version of it.
RDJ isn't playing an alternate Tony Stark. Joe Russo explicitly said "the one person who could play VICTOR VON DOOM." RDJ is playing Victor Von Doom, NOT Tony Stark. There is a world where there is no Tony Stark, and that is the Fantastic 4 world.
I'm not even mad because the actor himself never Eva had a bad role I'm actually curious to see how he plays this out
Doctor Doolittle
Desperation....
In Endgame they intentionally left in that haunting line: "When you mess with time it tends to mess back. YOU'LL SEE." Tony knew something that nobody else did and it's extremely unclear when he might have learned it. Now, it's possible that he was just letting slip that he always knew Cap was going back for Peggy and had been watching everything from the background. But I think there's a bigger story there and always has been; we are maybe just getting to see it now. Also:
That "Baxter Building" looked an awful lot like the top portion of Avengers Tower!
all the people that could’ve got that role instead of RDJ
David Alpay - FROM TV Series
Penn Badgley - Margin Call (Movie)
Jared Padalecki - Supernatural TV Series
Rupert Friend - Hitman Agent 47 (Movie)
Jamie Campbell - Stranger Things
Cillian Murphy
They doing Jonathan majors dirty
What he did was dirty
@@brandonbitsilli1232What did he do that was dirty?
in Feige we trust !!!!!!!!!
hes desperate
@@davinalopez-oz1ez I've been seeing alot of TROLL accounts say that Feige and Disney is desperate, explain to us all how are they desperate? please elaborate...
@@takeomasaki260 using their most beloved actor in their franchise to play a character that they’re using to replace Kang, having a short time to find a replacement before production for the next Avengers movie starts, after years of losing the general audience…not hard to comprehend at all 🫤
@@YungLanxx desperate like i said
@@davinalopez-oz1ez what you call desperate is ultimately a MASTER chess move. I wouldn't expect you to understand how power plays work though. In due time you will see the genius in this casting. In Feige We Trust !!!!!!!!!!
I like the last theory, where Kang's absence "causes" the emergence of someone to fill the gap.
But no, I don't think there was any way they dropped hints about RSJ playing Doom. This was not what they originally planned. The plan was Kang before.
I could see RDJ being a badass Dr Doom. And this is a genius move. Hes going to give this character so much hype