Celery has more Calories than Butter!
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- A provocative thought puzzle. I want to get you thinking about how you define a caloric deficit and how "Calories" as a concept is, or isn't, relevant to the choices you make and a productive variable to focus on when deciding what to eat to manage your weight, if that's something that's of concern to you.
*Disclaimer: Human beings cannot live on butter. Duh. This is a thought puzzle.
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0:00 - Intro.
0:53 - 3,500 kCal/lb of weight loss. Fail!
2:19 - CICO is circular logic, a tautology.
3:29 - Celery has more calories than butter.
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After discovering the "secret" many, many, years ago, that calories don't mean squat if you eat appropriate foods, I experimented with adding 1 block of cream cheese (about 800 calories,) and 2 weeks later, and additional half a bag of macadamia nuts (about 1100 calories,) to my weekday daily intake, without removing any of my normal foods (mostly meat, seafood, heavy cream, and eggs.) I did this to see if I could up my energy for my daily activities/work. I was fine with gaining some fat, if it helped me get more work done. Well, after about 6 weeks, not only did I not gain any fat, I actually lost 1 belt hole. Ive never counted a single calorie, and I eat enormous amounts of fatty foods. In my 20's, everyone said "wait till you hit 30." Then, in my 30's, they said "wait until you hit 40 and your metabolism tanks." Well, im over half way through my 40's and still waiting for that dreaded day. 😉
Nice story
Wait till you hit 64.
That was a Beatles reference😂🎉❤
Eyy, very nice!! Good to hear, as I was wondering if it would change once I get older. ^^
I'm sure your story would shock many... but not me... THANKS for the share.
When I originally started eating low (almost no) carb, i had traded as many carbs as I could for fat, gram per gram.. i weighed my food,, and replaced carbs for fat. Later I did the math. I was eat almost 3 times as many calories. On the day I realized that, I knew calories were a fantasy. I had lost 60 pounds, in one month, by eating 300% more in caloric intake. So jut F-off with any talk of calories doing anything. Amount of Calories are irrelevant. What matters is what kind of food it is. How it affects your hormones. When insulin increases it turn on fat storage mod. You can not burn fat in this condition, only store it.
I spent decades starving myself fat and sick on 1200 low fat, high fibre calories a day. I weighed and measured everything. Had an active job. Went to the gym. Barely fit a Canadian size 18.
Switch to the human health, 1950s British diet in the prologue of Good Calories, Bad Calories. Lost the weight, no starvation involved.
Over 14 years now.
AWESOMENESS! Nice, isn't it?
when i was vegan i regularly ate 3000 calories a day because i was always hungry. On keto, i eat about 1800 calories a day and am satisfied.
Interesting. Have you read "Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human" ... good book... you may enjoy
@@nicknorwitzPhD Thank you for the recommendation! I'm putting it on my reading list now.
@@angieb4631 welcome :)
You do not eat calories, calories are heat energy. You eat nutrients (hopefully).
@@JohnMcAfee-se9msi eat cakes
The butter bite at the end must have made so many cringe on the fat bad side. Solid content.
ha ha yeah i did, was wondering if he was serious
Cringe is too strong a word.
I like eating butter like that, of course I cut it, not bite it, but it is possible... when you do keto, butter becomes really tasty for some reason.
That was what I was aiming for ;)
@@montycora no person or animal has ever disliked butter
The butter bite conclusion was excellent! I used to gross my server coworkers at Olive Garden by biting into a butter packet and tell them "These Andes mints don't taste as good as they used to."
Haha! Nice troll
I already love this video because it is going to make Dr. Layne Norton's head explode. 😂
Well, he's sworn off engaging with me on any media platform after he last tried to tangle... let's see how long he keeps his promise...
@@nicknorwitzPhDYes. Unfortunately, that doesn't surprise me. Norton loves making criticism, but seldom engages in the responses to his criticism.
Layne was vaporized by Nick's recent video about him 😂
Haha I love it, Layne only picks on people who have no coherent argument, or takes things out of context to make people look bad.
No way you just ate that stick of butter at the end like a boss😂👊😎
Maybe next time I'll make a bacon butter sandwich and leave the audience with a nice "crunch" ;)
Adopting that idea 😮
There is a talk by Dr Michael Eads about how you can't weigh a calorie. He suggests we use the much more obvious formula for losing/gaining mass where: Change in Mass = Mass in - Mass out. That talk is on the Low Carb Down Under youtube channel.
I've heard it. I actually disagree on MIMO. I think its practical utility is limited. Not sure it's all that well thought through. I've yet to see a compelling case, nor solid narrative review.
@@nicknorwitzPhD Thanks for the reply, Dr Norwitz. I'm not sure, but did you mean you disagree because its practical utility is limited? Or are those two different points? I agree that it doesn't seem to be very practically useful, but you argue in the video that CICO is not only not useful, but it is actively harmful. Perhaps MIMO could be useful as an alternative model just as that--an alternative that won't send people spiraling when CICO doesn't work. The MIMO idea seemed to me to fit right in with your point in this video: focusing on calories as a weight loss tool is ineffective at best and actively harmful at its worst. You can't weigh a calorie, so worry about the health content instead. Thanks for all your work on these videos.
@@starius1154 "as that--an alternative that won't send people spiraling when CICO doesn't work." ... I suppose ...
A calorie is heat energy. How would you weigh burning something?
This was bloody brilliant and very well done. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have never in my life ever counted calories.
I'm sure that sounds liberating to many...
That's good because you don't consume calories. Calories are heat energy as observed by burning something and measuring it in a calorometer.
@@JohnMcAfee-se9ms it never made sense to me.
I have overweight family members and I am certain I eat far more than they do but I've always been very thin and sickly with gastrointestinal issues. I was hospitalized as a kid because according to my mother "my stomach lining was gone." I was about 7 so I don't remember but I do remember passing undigested food through.
Yes, it has always annoyed me how the reasoning for CICO is always backtracked from whatever your results are then that matches CICO. As a tool for weightloss it is completely unfit for purpose.
Applied it successfully few year back. Counted calories for my usual meals, tracked progress and adjusted. Lost 5kgs in two months as predicted. After the experience I have much better feeling of my intake needs and I rarely count anymore. Mostly because after going low carb it's almost impossible to overeat.
I agree George
@@FreeBeerMonkey I've lost 50kg by NOT counting calories. When I did calorie restriction I ended up tired, hungry and miserable - yes I lost a few kg but it stalled very quickly which was even more disheartening. I needed to lose 10's of kg, so it failed and I ended up putting all the weight back on. I track my intake at the end of the day, no restriction involved, I eat double the "calories" I did when restricting yet I'm not putting on weight because its the "what I eat" not the "how much I eat" that works.
Love your channel Nick. Thanks for the info.
You're welcome!
Your body is not a bomb calorimeter.
Nope...
There are a lot of calories in a log of wood when you burn it
3500 calories per hour and I watched this 5.17 minute video. This means I burned 301 calories. Thanks for helping me lose weight Nick.
This was one of the most useful videos on the channel. Calories In Calories Out or Energy Balance Model (EBM) of obesity is not only harmful, but actually it's pseudo-science. As you've mentioned it has no physiological basis. I'd add to your points that Insulin hormone is very important in the Carbohydrate-Insulin Model (CIM) of obesity, since it explains why people gain weight when it's high and why fat is mobilized when insulin level is low. What is more funny is that in the 'Human Metabolism: A Regulatory Perspective', prof. Keith Frayn explains exactly this, but then when he writes about metabolism disorders, mentions EBM as an explanation to weight gain.
Exactly. EBM isn't a pathophysiological model of obesity. It's sweeping the pathology under the rug.
Excellent content and well produced videos Nick. Thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks you for commenting!
The calorie content is determined by burning the food and then applying a simple factor based on whether you burned protein, fat or carbohydrate. This would work at a simplistic level if we were heat engines with arms and legs attaches. But we're not, if we were we'd need to run at 70°C to achieve the efficiency we do. A better analogy is a fuel cell or perhaps a battery. We run on chemical reactions and electrical charges, just burning the stuff doesn't come close to representing how the body utilises the energy.
Which is exactly why millions lose on a high carb diet when they omit fat. And millions lose weight on a high fat diet when they omit carbs. People love to over complicate things, adhere to a bunch of nonsense.
Hard to argue with any of that.
Love the butter chomp at the end.
Thanks :)...
My first reaction without even watching the entire video is: ‘I don’t care about calories. I continue to keep my carbs low and I’m happy.’ In fact, I'm about to enjoy my bone-in wings and I plan to eat all of the celery!😎🤓😊
Whatever floats your boat ;)
yeah we have different body types and what makes you feel good to your body and in health in general then continue to do it.. dont get paranoid! Enjoy the different foods in moderation..
I can actually hear Layne Norton yelling at the clouds and shaking his fists after watching this.
Then I pop out of the clouds like Mufasa, "Son, Everything you see - exists together in a delicate balance."
I spotted your video yesterday, but didn't have time until today .. so YA ... I will for sure be watching it. You always inspire curiosity.
I use to do just that, figure the calories, then cut back, only to not see the "magic". Now a days I eat! I just avoid certain foods ... and I've lost more weight than I ever thought I would or could.
Awesome! And Thank you!
A great video to help people see a different perspective! What are your thoughts on the protein leverage hypothesis. If for instance you get someone to aim for at least 30% of their daily macronutient distribution coming from protein, filling the rest out with wholefood fats/carbs would you hypothesise this would lead to more weight loss and be more sustainable than someone eating 15% protein?
Thank you!
You are changing the lives of so many. One. video. at. a time. You should know that. Thank you. You are very much appreciated.
AWEE! Thanks!!!
I have utmost confidence you have a point to make, every time 😄
Appreciate the benefit of the doubt :)
Best channel ever
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I paused the video for over 20 min b/f I realized that I could’ve just gotten the answer(s) from Nick in about 5 min.
But you tried!!!
Nice touch to it, that bite of butter. I can see my friends cringe.
I did the same thing several times. They almost fainted, and I wasn't hungry for the rest of the day.
Can't say it's not amusing to get the expected reaction...
Today i found out that 1 Jatz biscuit is almost the same number of calories as 1 pink or white marshmallow. How is that even possible? Both seems to give the same satiety too. 2 foods to avoid i guess. I guess i try macadamia nuts again.
Macadamia for the win! Happy to provide a discount ;)
If I eat 1000 calories of cookies, I gain 3 pounds. If I eat 2000 calories of beef, I lose weight. It has NEVER worked for me. I hate when I’m told to eat a certain amount of calories. They have been wrong about so many things.
There is almost zero chance that you are consuming 2000 calories of straight beef in a day much less a sitting. Meanwhile what you think is 1,000 calories of cookies is probably more.
I've read that each gram of glycogen is associated with 3-4 grams of water. That would explain why you seemingly put on so much weight when eating lots of carbs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
@@TheFlyingCougar I eat 32oz of ribeye for my dinner… that is 2600 calories. That’s in addition to the 4 sausages and 4 eggs with 4oz of butter I eat for breakfast. I lost 60 pounds in the last 9 months eating like that.
@@TheAutisticCarnivore Username checks out.
@@TheAutisticCarnivoreHormones respond to what your eat. High insulin outs fat on lock, so hunger kicks quickly, not to mention that carboHYDRATE, does require some water to tag along. Welcome to complex systems.
To tour credit, your rely on factual data you observe yourself, not beautiful lies designed to ruin you in the end.
Props for ecolving above almost everyone else.
Super well presented as always. The 'old' mindset is very hard to get out of
Let's break the old mindset... get ready for some "unlearning"
Hey Nick, what do you think about a video discussing how calories and the way they are computed do not have a relation to the way our bodies process matter for energy? Thanks.
See my fast metabolism video and ask yourself if mitochondrial dynamics mimic bomb calorimeters... or just take a few moments looking at diagrams and animations of the electron transport chain and metabolic pathways, including TCA, beta-ox, etc... toss in a microbiome to out meta-organism and contemplate whether + and - on a calculator is sufficient to the task of summarizing the system and predicting outcomes...
Thank you a bunch Nick.
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This guy right here! Thank you so much, Nick! Let's hear it for "real science."
Welcome Lion cub 🦁:):)
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Hey Nick. What do you make of the view of Cyrus Khambatta on dietary fat? Would love to have your views on this. Thanks!
I have zero clue who that is.
We need a study of a keto/carnivore people who have gotten down to a weight they have been stuck at for a long time. For me it was 170 pounds. Have them eat in a surplus and see how much weight they can gain. Im sure I ate at a surplus for months and the scale never moved.
Id love a video on low-carb/high fat with regards to long-term health effects.
i'm actually curious if celery would actually have more calories than butter in some organisms due to how their metabolisms would process the two foods. especially the organisms that have the means to digest all the fiber.
the issue that i have with the calories model is how it doesn't seem to account for nutritional absorption. just because you are eating celery, doesn't mean it has the micronutrients you need and doesn't guarantee you even absorb enough of the micronutrients in the celery. it still feels like people don't get hungry due to the calories so much as their body is craving the nutrients it needs to maintain itself, which is why sometimes we are satisfied when we eat foods high in micronutrients and why amino acids and fat seem to satiate more with their multiple uses in the body (i.e. amino acids buying used to build and repair).
The calories model does account for nutritional absorption. After measuring the calories in the food, they feed it to volunteers for a few days in a controlled diet and then measure the calories in their poop. Granted, a lot of this is based on research that was done over 100 years ago, and doesn't quite account for the extent to which most modern food is processed. A lot of the numbers that are used as standards are probably wrong, but, it does essentially account for absorption. The more you know...
@@danbance5799 i was talking more about how herbivores can gain more calories from fibrous foods than we can do to their digestive system, although some humans will vary as well in how they absorb nutrients as well based on their own microbiomes and such. i was just thinking that celery may have more calories for a rabbit than butter since they process the food better.
my second theory is more so talking about the absorption of nutrients for reasons other than calories so i'm not sure it's relevant to your point, but i do agree that the old calorie measurements are probably pretty outdated as a whole, especially since humans could be inherently different after all that time
Another intereting , thought provoking vidio.thankyou .
Thank you!
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Little off topic but trying to see what you say. It
Looks like I’m a hyper responder. Started carnivore about 10 weeks ago and im on a statin but total cholesterol went from 190 to 320. LDL went from 90 to 210. Trigs unchanged at 40 and Hdl unchanged at 100. My cardiologist freaked. I’m seen a lot of your recent videos with Dave and you say you are doing studies but you don’t seem to say whether the increase in ldl is dangerous or not. Thinking I should stop the diet. Any thoughts?
Not going to give medical advice. But to be clear while on a statin you went keto and despite the statin your ldl went from 90 to 210. If you decide to share I’d be interested in which statin, what dose, and what exactly your diet looked like (esp fat sources). Have you tried ezetimibe while keto? Have you measured ketones? Any functional testing (CAC/CCTA)?
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Hi Nick. I’m probably an outlier.
I’ve been taking atvorstatim 10mg once a day for 10 years. Cholesterol has been consistently
Good. So big increase. Wasn’t even strict keto. Just cut a lot of carbs and eating a lot of red meat, lamb, eggs, ground beef etc. I just want to thank you and Dave and others for the research. If LDL is not really important and not very correlated with atherosclerosis we need to know that. My cardiologist says there is countless studies making the connection and that the keto diet is only good for losing weight but I will be the thinness person in the cemetery as it causes colon and other cancers and heart disease. He is old school and while he might be right,
You and others seem to think not. Please continue your great work. Thanks.
That's the way to ESTIMATE (badly) energy flows. To CALCULATE energy flows is a completely different thing. Doubly-labeled water, that sort of thing.
But now you’re measuring when happens/ed not predicting …
@@nicknorwitzPhD No, we know for certain that actual calories in equals actual calories out. That's thermodynamics. The estimates on labels and for activities are just estimates. I'm with you that all that matters is hormonal state for losing/gaining fat and losing/gaining muscle, which is what people really care about, not "weight".
At least Nick is transparent about his click-bait. 😆 He's right - I knew he had a point, and I clicked immediately.
I've fished you... but not I'll release you back into the wild... be free fish and spread the science and deep thought!
he's a Master Baiter!
@@chuckleezodiac24 pun taken too far... lol
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Love your videos.
Thank you ☺️
Exactly. Calorie counting and CICO belief leads to long term failure.
Typically, yep
Hi! Thanks for the very insightful videos you put out! I was wondering if you have heard of any studies that show saturated fat/high fat and coconut oil increases intestinal permeability? I have recently heard this on a youtube channel called "ibs freedom podcast" episode: "leaky gut lowdown", talked about at minutes 34:50. They say it is pretty well established saturated fat increases permeability.. I find this very confusing.. Maybe this would make an interesting video? As your gut has improved on keto/high fat as so many others has as well? Thanks for your help and knowledge!
My suspicion is that these aren't human ketogenic diet studies, and I'd be very cautious about extrapolating from "HFD" (Western diet) studies. Feel free to drop me link. Honestly, I've tried to listen to lots of different IBS/IBD podcast episodes across apple and Spotify and have yet to find one that I actually think is good...
Hi Nick, thanks so much for your reply. I have included some links for you and am curious your thoughts on them.. In the video where they share that it is well established saturated fat causes permeability they dont mention the studies they are referring to. I did a quiick search on pubmed and there were a cpl studies that came up, one was this: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31268137/, and another : www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8305009/ ; they also said coconut oil causes permeability too? 🤷♀️Very confusing when there is so much conflicting info. Thanks for your help have a good day😊
This is not a circular logic, because it has self-explainatory power. Same as you calculate your speed of an object based on the distance and time given, or calculate distance based on time and speed given or calculate time based on speed and distance given.
It's like you try to convince us that calculating our speed doesn't work because our tools to measure time or the distance aren't accurate.
More like calculating speed of a cheetah chasing a gazelle using tools that don’t work and a snapshot in time that doesn’t capture acceleration… sounds rather useless to me
great points!
TY!
Good points 💪
TYVM!
Never counted calories, except when I was desperately short of money and trying to get the calories for the least cash. I found supermarket own brand muesli was quite good for this.
I'm about a year in to guzzling 4 or 5 tubs of full fat cream per week, a calorie excess of around 5500 per week. I haven't gained 50 Ibs, more like 2 Ibs, could be muscle, still fit my pants! I'm not consciously restricting my other eating though I'm sure I'm eating less other stuff. Point is, the dietary establishment has it that a high fat diet makes you fat, coz it's so darn calorie dense. Maybe for some people but not for me
"but not for me" seems to apply a lot for a principle - CICO - that's supposed to apply to all humans... makes one think, doesn't it?
Can you talk about APOE4 and what to eat with this gene?
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33921683/
I clicked on the video expecting Nick to use the celery stalk like a pipe and expected him to smoke the butter using the celery stalk...
Huh… that would be fancy
The only time I use calories is when comparing various nuts and seeds against each other or comparing dairy products within a category against each other.
For example, I prefer servings of nuts and seeds with the lowest grams of net carbs * 4 calories per gram divided by total calories. I do the same thing when comparing yogurts and kefirs against each other, though net carbs and total carbs are the same in dairy. Instead of whole milk for lattes, I combine some water with half-and-half and heavy cream, which would have a much lower carb content per serving. At a coffee shop, I order breve-style lattes.
I know people who eat 2-3 times or more the amount of energy they need. I think being aware of calories, as a general management tool, with the nuances of precision, absorption and the like, a good way to put things into perspective. It allows us to understand the excesses. When we measure the situation, when we have data, it's easier to see the problems and aim for something better. Some people are really far from anything viable. Trying to aim for RDI also helps you choose better foods in the right proportions. When it's a general guide, I don't see anything unhealthy.
I appreciate some of the messages you are trying to convey. I'm a little uncomfortable with certain recommendations or shocking elements. Don't the average person already consume too much saturated fat? Isn't the effect of consuming too much saturated fat problematic and well documented? It would be nice to prove otherwise before we go that far, right?
I can't lose weight if I have veggies in my diet.
In/out deficit or surplus and nobody counts the calories they defecate.
Find me the influencer who but his/her feces in a bomb calorimeter...
@@nicknorwitzPhD pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/632492/
Oh, I get it now. Calories are a state of mind! How do I join the Breatharians?
Counting calories and simplifying diet and health down to caloric consumption is a large issue in people believing diets are healthy. Yes you can diet and calorie count on ultra processed food and no meat, no you will not be healthy. I also found when I calculated I was in a deficit, I would subliminally think starving myself or I should eat more to meet maintenance instead of based on hunger
Strange how many manual workers of the past (here in Britain) would often chomp on big hunks of cheese, (sometimes with an apple or a raw onion!) but butter was seen as a luxury item, reserved for spreading on bread!
I eat as much fat as I want and therefore am never hungry. Usually eat only once a day. Calories in - calories out does not make sense to me because it's how often and how much you spike insulin that matters.
No, it's not. Not in the context of weight loss.
If you only eat one meal a day then of course you can eat whatever you want during that one meal and not become overweight. Even for a relatively sedentary person, eating enough to achieve a consistent caloric surplus when only eating one meal per day is incredibly difficult.
@@TheFlyingCougarIt's one meal but over 2 hours. It's very low carb...sometimes I'll do carnivore for a week or two but if I upped the carbs I'd start eating more and wouldn't be satiated. My weight is stable and I'm not hungry so it works for me. Carbs make me ravenous.
@@TheFlyingCougarYou don't eat calories. Ask yourself what calories are, first of all.
Whatever works for you have at it. Applying the simple principle of CICO and adjusting macros based on my exercise regimen has always accomplished three things: lots of great satiating meals with variety, and fueling activities appropriately which have net good results. (Getting enough carbs for endurance events, getting enough protein for more resistance based periods). As soon as CICO is dismissed, complicated, much less researched and more debated modalities of dieting come into play… insulin spikes, thermogenesis of insulin timing, mitochondrial fractioning of carnivore red meet uptake (making stuff up). It is insane to think the concept of feeding your body to compliment the needed movement expenditure is maligned while embracing theories which open us up to being fooled by grifters who sell the goods and services of the diet and nutrition industry is cheered on. Sheesh.
@@SmeriglioDavid Thank you for writing this - I wanted to make a comment, but figured it would just be ripped on, but you stated it much more eloquently and sadly your last sentence is spot on. Sad to to see another 'name' in the keto/carnivore world turning out to be the same. Yes, it is nuanced by how our bodies process different macros - but it doesn't mean that the amount of energy (i.e calories) coming in is not relevant any more! I feel so bad because this will just continue to hurt so many people with the notion that you can always just eat as much as you want and lose, or not gain weight.
Most who take up the keto/carnivore diet are overweight, many very overweight; and have some metabolic derangement. If they added or estimated; most are eating in a calorie deficit; at least when they start; and yes the carb restriction, with the increased protein helps with the weight loss. BUT - it is still an energy deficit. You can't lose weight unless your body needs to burn it's own fat - not the dietary fat.
Every day I see several comments, or hear of stories of people who start out great, but then the weight loss 'stalls'. They are told by YT influencers that their bodies are 'healing' , or some such thing; and they just need to continue on and often told they need to eat more! As I'm sure you know - if they are not exercising , especially resistance to to maintain muscle; weight loss involves loss of both lean mass and fat. Always. I also notice theme of "you don't have to exercise" ; which is also appealing. And, in the beginning you don't have to. I guess I'd say people are being told half truths. No, it's not the burning calories that is leading to weight loss; but maintaining or increasing lean mass is so important.
So after one loses a large amount of weight, which will be some lean mass, decreasing basal metabolic rate, the caloric needs will decrease and it might require some adjustment to continue to be in an energy deficit. I almost feel reluctant to use that word calorie - but I'm going to - because the bottom line is , it still matters.
Of course one can choose to eat sticks of butter and Nick's macademia nuts, but if weight loss is one's goal, they can't just eat unlimited quantities of these things. They are assuming they people will feel full before they go over the their energy needs; but this is not true. I suspect Nick has never had an addictive or binge eating pattern - which is not restricted to just carbs.
Hello Again . Is raw heavy cream better than Butter and ghee ? Can we cook with Heavy cream? Thank you.
I mean I wouldn’t fry eggs in heavy cream? But could use it in a curry, to make ice cream, in various desserts etc. different purposes
@@nicknorwitzPhD -Thank you very much.
Worth it for the footnotes. I have a feeling your target audience is no longer researchers in their 40s, lol.
As noted in my notes, I want to develop an intellectual ecosystem including thought puzzles and paper breakdowns... a balance of the "here's a TREM stain and let's discuss transmembrane gradients and DRP signaling" and hey let's have some fun with butter and celery... stay for and watch what has value for you :)
My favorite timing for checking the scale, if I’m being a good boy, is once a week max. That daily fluctuation will certainly throw you off.
True... a good poop is worth more than a week of lean boiled chicken breast and steamed broccoli on the scale ;)
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I have been at my maintenance weight (44M, 170cm, 65kg) for many years (give or take 5kg). As an experiment since getting my Apple watch I have tracked calories and eating to the TDEE indicated by my Apple Watch and weighing all my food. My weight hasn't moved in that time and I have gone from eating carnivore, vegan and everything in between. What I did notice is the way my appetite and hunger varied with each diet but for the sake of the experiment I persisted and didn't give in. Just sharing my experience and I understand we are all different.
Like others I have been looking for the "Holy Grail" where I could eat more calories and maintain, but unfortunately I have been unable to find this. Can you please share how this can be achieved as happy to try anything : ).
I think a main point is that every person has different resistance to weight gain/loss... a different 'calorie buffer zone,' if you will. Each person also has different sensitivity to higher GI foods, possibly based on degree of insulin secretion at baseline (this was shown in a reanalysis of DIETFITS). It's also surprising how potent non-diet variables are at influencing body composition in some (anecdotes). Things like stress reduction, improved sleep and even sexual activity.
@@nicknorwitzPhD For sure. I totally agree. My results probably reflect in part how consistent my routine has become because not much regarding my lifestyle has change for a long time. Also I like routine. Lol!
I am serious though if you do have any advice on foods that would allow a person to eat more calories for the same energy expenditure, even if it's the slightest amount more, I would try it as an experiment : ).
Monch Monch! The bacteria in the large intestine need these calories to exist
There is another framing promoted by experts on light (Carrie Bennett, Sarah Pugh, Jack Kruse, etc). Our body takes in sunlight and it drives numerous processes. This is seen with melanin that redirects light to break apart H20 into molecular hydrogen and oxygen. Those molecules then serve numerous purposes.
It's possible that oxygen, not ATP, is the primary fuel of cells. And based on this understanding, it's possible that when sunlight exposure is high most of the body's fuel comes from light and not food. That is to say, similar to water, light might be another overlooked nutrient (interestingly, structured water acts as a battery).
Even if we accept calories as they are, they are simply a measurement of burning material. But light doesn't combust. Our gaining or losing weight might have more to do with the affect of light on our physiological system. If there are micronutrients and macronutrients, maybe we could call light a paranutrient.
I have never have counted calories when losing weight. That never made sense to me.
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I am also a researcher on dietetics. I do not count calories. Intermittent fasting is the way to lose weight based on my findings.
I wish I can gain some weight and am now doing 2MAD sometimes 3MAD instead of OMAD that I have been practising before.
Eating more meals seem to do the reverse to help gain weight regardless of what macro food types we choose.
Greater insulin area under the curve?
I thought you were going to talk about the oils in plant cells. A lot of calories in those oils, but humans don't have caecums anymore, so we can't digest cellulose (and thereby access the oils).
Yes, I actually tried to that but didn't succeed and gave up after a few days and came away thinking that that was a total waste of time and effort.
Tried what, exactly? Counting calories to see if 3500 kCal calc deficit = 1 lb?
@@nicknorwitzPhD Yes. Failed miserably. Keep tract of calories I ate and I estimated how many I burned off. That was many, many years ago. I have since learned so much - lost 90 pounds, cleared up my IBS, made my COPD better, helped my PTSD and relieved the arthritic pain in my knees to the point that I now walk an average of 4 miles a day. You sir are a great source of inspiration to me. Much respect.
NIck great video. So please tell me how to gain weight on Keto/carnivore ???
For some, it can be quite hard. For me, there's certainly a ceiling past which I cannot practically gain and/or sustain gains. Kyle G suggested cycling between HITT and slow/heavy lifting days, with the former being a disproportional appetite stimulus, and maybe couple this with carb cycling if you're able to do things like honey (carnivore) and come out of ketosis periodically. Also eating more often (three meals a day over a 12 hour window) can help increase insulin area under the curve
@@nicknorwitzPhD thanks for tips. I have the same situation like you, it is very hard for me to gain weight, especially on low carb. So the HIIT as a tool to boost appetite? How often to get out of ketosis? I am also curious about your current diet? Do you eat any carbs?
@@maciejhadasik1308 I don't no. You can exit ketosis as often as your use case allows. If you don't use it therapeutically and want to bulk... exit it for a while while bulking if you so choose
@@nicknorwitzPhD i do not know for 100% if it is terapeutic for me. Had IBD, now it is good and I am not sure that I want to check if adding a lot of carbs will bring the symptoms back. I am now eating mostly meat, eggs, fish and Olive Oil but still some amount of carbs from fruits, bread or rice. I would say usually maybe 40-60 g per day maximum. Sometimes more around 100g. Did you notice on low carb also more calmness and less anxiety?
@@maciejhadasik1308 I didn't really struggle with anxiety prior to low-carbs o hard to say. But lot's of people report that.
CICO never worked for me! Back in 2020 when I was 457lbs and contemplating having a VSG done, the bariatric dr put me on a 1500 calorie a day diet to start my weight-loss. Was the most miserable time of my weight loss journey. After my insurance declined my surgery I kept following the plan. I ended up losing 75lbs between Sept 2020-May 2021, but it was sooo hard to keep under 1500 cal a day and it always lead to ravenous eating. I ended up going back to my old way of eating and gained 50lbs back. Fast forward to 2023 and going keto/low carb with no caloric restrictions and eventually strict carnivore for about seven months I’m down 140+lbs since 1/28/23. For me finding the whole, one ingredient foods that provide satiety was key in my weight loss, not CICO!!!
Sorry to break it to you, but that's still CICO. You're down 140 lbs because you ate in a calorie deficit 🤷♀
QED: Kikari's response to
@RevolutionOfEric is to rationalize CICO retrospectively... basically what the video is about
@@nicknorwitzPhD Are you saying that @RevolutionOfEric lost 140 lbs while NOT being in a calorie deficit? They said "CICO" never worked for them and then said they lost 140lbs, that makes no sense. Counting calories and CICO are 2 different things, I feel like a lot of people are confusing the two.
I actually dont know enough about calories. Can you make a video on that? Is it really proven that a calorie is a calorie in terms of fat loss or gain? A quick google search shows that calories are measured by the energy released from burning. Even wood has calories. But i guess we wouldnt gain fat from wood?
There is also some data on whey protein supplementation, people lose more fat when they eat additional calories from protein. More than would be explained by the thermic effect of food calculation. And I havent found a study that shows fat gain with increased consumption of calories from protein
Cico was the original dumb down.
Have you watched Zoe Harcombe's "kettles" presentation where she chronicles her attempt to find the source behind the 3,500 calories =1 lb "fact"? It's hilarious.
Any reason why a carnivore who stalls or sees no weight loss at all goes OMAD and cuts out dairy? And on top of that fasts for 48 hrs during that week. What do you equate those people with? It's not like they added more calories they did the opposite.
Not sure I understand the question. You mean if one changes their diet to an isocaloric diet but lower in carbs and fewer meals seems to see drops in weight/body fat?
@@nicknorwitzPhD Many Carnivores don't experience weightloss because of the volume of food they consume even though it's food based on the criteria of the diet. So, they go OMAD,fast. This equates to less food consumption by a wide margin, or less calories. Then they lose.
Love the "a little butter" at the end!
Hehe 😉
LOVE butter. Just started eating it straight.
That irritates some people... as I've recently discovered
I often hear the claim that calorie counting doesn't work. These videos never have an answer for what a person should be doing instead. The approach that has worked best for me (and really the only approach that has worked for me) is restricting food for 4 days and then maintenance eating for 3 days. Produces weight loss of about a pound a week in a sustainable fashion. The key to maintaining the weight loss is really just to continue to avoid the unhealthy foods that made me fat in the first place. No more soda or fried foods.
"The key to maintaining the weight loss is really just to continue to avoid the unhealthy foods that made me fat in the first place. No more soda or fried foods." -- I think this is a very reasonable statement
Excellent. Now can you PLEASE teach the rest of the medical establishment! They seem to have forgotten about critical common sense thinking.
Working on it. Give me some more time ;) there is a changing tide...
@@nicknorwitzPhD I agree. These are the times of change. I’m like any we’ve ever seen before. Keep up the good work.
Nutrient density is the key, not calories.
Bring me macadamia and EVOO-drowned sockeye!
@@nicknorwitzPhD Those aren't nutrient dense, do you even know what nutrient density is? Leafy greens are the most nutrient dense foods. Look up a nutrient density chart, you'll see it.
How many calories in a log of wood?
Enough to cool a Smore
I had a caloric deficit of 1500 calories yesterday, when I woke up I was up 2 pounds. 😅
Yeah, because weight loss doesn't happen in one day lol
Side note - havard health just published “keto is actually a medical diet that comes with serious risks.” Nick, can you fix from within?
I saw that... honestly, I considered a response video and/or tweet but decided it wasn't even worth it. It wasn't getting much attention and I don't have the muscle to guide them in terms of broader messaging. Better not to give it oxygen. Give it time... change will come
I totally agree that counting calories doesn’t work for many or most people, but if someone gains non-water weight (whether it be fat or lean tissue), their CI was greater than their CO. I guess this is what you consider to be a tautology.
Yes... you even used the past tense...
yes it works. Just people dont typically measure their calories out. They assume calories out and measure calories in and their assumption is often wrong and their measurements are often also wrong.
this really sound of sciences
30 people, locked in cages, pure steak diet for 6 months. Controlled portion. Controlled all conditions. ALL lost weight. Then double the amount of steak per day they were required to eat. Surprise, surprise, the ALL gained weight. Dr. Baker is a relatively strict carnivore. He says the same thing. If he increases his steak volume he gains weight, if he decreases volume he loses weight. I've had a ton of patients gain weight overeating butter. Some like to freeze small chunks and eat throughout the day. Other go way overboard on salted carnivore chips (jerky) or bacon. 😢. All things matter. Volume, quality, type, "Kcals", hormones, health status......it all matters. No free lunch, all things have consequences 😂
Link?
@@kraftzion here in South America, prisons don't publish their studies. People bought and sold like cattle. Sad but true. I work very hard to help people eat well during my studies. When the studies are over, they eat very low quality food, sometimes nothing. Mal nutrition and starvation are normal in many third world prisons. Have conducted over 50 great studies. Some for the prisons, some for food companies, some with pharmaceutical companies and others for various universities, with the bulk being government funded. In all cases, those who fund the studies, own the studies. A thousand great studies have been done over the years, not for public viewing. Governments don't like to share. Go ask your government for the Biden documents or the Kennedy assassination documents...... Heck, can't even get them to release the cov19 or Vaxx documents. Just how the world works.
In your first couple lines you cite an experiment that hasn't been done. How do you think that study would really pan out? Also, do you think you could predict weight gained based in increased volume and/or calculated Calories? I'd bet not... at least not with any degree of precision. And note that acute doesn't equal chronic.
@@nicknorwitzPhD first, it has and was done. As you know, underfeeding we can guarantee weight loss but not an exact amount. It is a dynamic process, ever changing variables. Germans proved this in concentration camps. No one gained weight from underfeeding. We also know if we over feed, we can guarantee weight gain, even with an all meat diet. The amount? That is going to vary person by person. As you know, it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to predict an amount of water, fat, and muscle tissue per person. However, if connected to a few machines and in a sealed metabolic ward for three months prior, then placed on an eating program, it might be possible to make a rough estimate. Not sure that would be of value for the cost. Not sure anyone would fund something of that level. Basically the insulin model is not sufficient, must include a food volume, type, and quality (calories), model at the same time. All things matter. Just don't want people thinking they can eat as much as they want and not gain weight. I love carnivore, low carb and keto eating plans. However, have seen far too many horror stories with the overeating / over consumption of fats.
@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica First, underfeeding in limited in so far as it reduced insulin as well, even on LFD. Second, "We also know if we over feed, we can guarantee weight gain, even with an all meat diet." You say this but that's actually a hypothetical with respect to the chronic treatment experiment you hypothesized, which has not been done. Irrespective of that fact, of course you know I'd tend to agree with you, with the massive caveat that "The amount? That is going to vary person by person." This is the point, the imprecision is so massive - and the target is a moving one - that expectations are hardly ever/never met. Thus casting CICO as a prospectively accuse model is a fallacy. Taking a step back, I think we are all adults here and can recognize there are other variables at play, including social and emotional elements and that obesity is complex and multifactorial and - obviously - celery doesn't actually have more calories than butter. This remains a thought puzzle for the reasonable. And I find it very difficult to believe anyone will walk away from this truly thinking... YAY! Dr Nick just gave me permission to have two sticks of butter in my coffee every morning and to eat fatty ribeyes for every meal, with butter of course, and maintain 8% body fat without exercise. On this platform, I assume a baseline level of common sense of my viewers.
I'd always get annoyed hearing "it's all CICO" from people who should know better, like nutritionists. Coming from IT, I wanted to reply with - I know, similarly in IT, it's all about zeroes and ones. But that's saying nothing that could help anybody do or understand anything meaningful in IT, yet it's not wrong per se. Just useless. 🙄
When I saw the title of this episode, I immediately thought of a new term, "Nick bait."🎣 I hope that doesn't sound rude. 😁
Depends… do you like the results of taking the bait? Do you think the video had value?
@@nicknorwitzPhD Yes, this episode was above average for you, and your average is way above average for the genre.
@nicknorwitzPhD Hey Nick what do you think about Ray Peat diet style if you know that?
Know nothing about him or his ideas so no comment
@@nicknorwitzPhD He died alredy in 2022, but his ideas were like low carb and fasting is bad for thyroid, and is slowing metabolism, Cod liver and fish oil is toxic. I would really really like if you would did educational video on Ray Peat diet style where you share your opinions.
@@lukasholly5517 Based on that summary, I can't say I think the arguments are sensible. I will have another keto-thyroid touching video shortly. But, long story short, low T3 doesn't mean hypothyroid. Also, "fish oil is toxic" sounds a bit silly IMHO
@@nicknorwitzPhD Yeah but i would like if you did video on that and say some conterarguments, i also dont know All his ideas, i know he was advocating agains PUFAs, he was saying things about Calcium:Phosporus ratio, Methionine:Glycine Ratio, high carb diet and thyroid, he was advocating for high carb diet with nutrient dense foods(liver, gelatinous meat, seafood, eggs, milk,carrots). I would really really like if you did some educational video on it.
Also Nick what do you think about my diet
I eat 500 grams grass finished beef and organs from local farm, 5eggs, pound of carrots, raw milk(sheep), Honey, Nonalkalized Cacao, avocado, local fruits and tropical fruits, sardines
I avoid seed oils, processed foods and additives
My bloodwork is
HDL 170mg dl
LDL 170 mg dl
Total Chol 360 mg dl
Triglycerides 38 mg dl
ApoB 128 mg dl
ApoA 252 mg dl
CRP HS Low
Glucose 90mg dl
Insulin 3.5 mUIl
HOMA IR 0.8
CRP low
T3 lower
T4 lower end of normal range
TSH lower end of normal range
Im planning to test some Vitamins and Minerals, HbA1C, IGF 1, ALT, AST
lmao did he rly have to throat a stick of butter hahahhhaha awesome
Have to? No. Want to in order to provoke a little reaction? Sure. Did he mind? Not really, no.
I wouldn't say it this way. Calories in calories out must be correct, because that's how thermodynamics works. Our bodies are working within the limits of physics. Maybe what could happen is that our theories about calories are not 100% accuracy, and they need to be improved
I don't necessarily disagree with you. My point was parallel... maybe watch again and consider how what you said is compatible with the video...
Go ahead, teach us about thermodynamics.
@@nicknorwitzPhDI think the issue I am having with the video is how it is interpreted. As evidenced by the comments, you have e provided an echo chamber for people who heavily bias methods which do not align with CICO. I have no doubt you know leveraging of the imperfect science of CICO is the gateway for many less than scrupulous people (grifters, charlatans, snake oil salespeople) to capitalize on peoples unwillingness/inability to keep consumption in check and increase movement. Is there not a fallacy in saying ‘people use CICO and then don’t lose weight and blame themselves’ while at the same time bringing complicated nutritional concepts into play and not considering the probability of failure in those modalities is much higher than CICO.
Look at how many people are employing Keto, Carnivore, insulin resistance, and other anecdotes to justify taking a binary stance on CICO… as if it’s all of one or or all of the other. Sheesh.
Ah the eternal low carb promise of being able to eat as much as you want. Works for some because it cuts out junk foods and is satiating but there are are plenty who gain if they eat a lot of butter or even just too much meat.
Starved myself fat and sick on 1200 low fat, high fibre calories a day for decades. Had an active job and went to the gym daily. No sugar. My fat came from the tablespoon of low fat seed oil poison dressing I put on 8 cups of salad.
Barely fit a Canadian size 18.
Been low carb over 14 years now. So many health issues healed.
The Adventist cult food industry pushes the myth that it is because you are not eating junk, but I was not eating junk on their evil, semi vegan death diet.
Not exactly my message. Actually what you said is fully compatible with the contents of the video if you listen carefully
To be fair energy intake does have a big impact but I treat as a rough estimate and not the all being. I think a lot of ppl will take spc qnd eat no fat chicken breast and broccli. Which we don't have to overindulge in fat buy can have reasonable amounts.
This is reasonable :)
I agree with your perspective but I must admit that actually applying this can be difficult as we as a society have been programmed differently for so long.
Then let's get to unlearning...
I know what I am doing tomorrow morning. Eating some butter ~ ^o^
With what...
celery is evil !!!!! mmmmm butter !!!!
Its impossible to even find the so called maintenance calories lol
For me, it's a wide range
Gotten into so many arguments with people that blindly believe in the calories in calories out logic. They just can't wrap their minds around the human body being a complex machine with different levels of efficiency, or the fact that different types of food have different bio availability. Alas, it's a waste of time arguing with people that can't reason.
Perhaps because as you say - it is more nuanced. BUT - that doesn't mean that it is completely irrelevant. Let's use energy , since calorie scares people now sadly. It is very possible to eat more fat (& protein) than one can use for energy; therefore resulting in net storage.. i.e weight gain; or inability to lose. I hear this all the time with these diets; because people are being mislead into thinking it doesn't matter. All people on keto/carnivore diets who are losing weight are doing so b/c they are in an energy deficit. It's still the bottom line.
I also feel people are mislead on the calories out side. No, it's not that the exercise is burning calories for weight loss. Exercise; especially resistance, is maintaining or increasing lean mass (muscle, bone, etc) which otherwise will be lost as one loses weight; lowering the energy requirements over time.
As you said - the body is complex machine and anyone telling you to completely ignore CICO is misleading you. It doesn't mean one needs to count them, but if not getting desired results - perhaps track for a bit to see what is going on.
I think it should actually be grams in grams out. You eat x grams and drink y grams. Therefore you have gained x+y weight. Now, does the body use it up and expel it out somehow, or does it hold onto it.
Water... and how are you measuring grams out from the carbons you breath out in any practical sense?
@@nicknorwitzPhD to track every molecule in (and out) the body is very likely beyond current technology. However we can measure body composition and body composition changes very accurately. For instance, the scale may go down losing muscle and bone mass while conserving all the fat, what good is that?