Cheap Chinese tires overall better than premium tires
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2018
- I have tested the commonly used Michelin Latitude Sport 3 vs the cheap Chinese Winrun R330 tires. It turns out that overall, the Chinese tires are better.
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That what I've been looking for! Great comparation Bjørn!
Very useful.
// Thanks for recap, and doing these tests.
Great informative video. Didn't know about that option. Definitely I'll consider them when my tires need an upgrade.
Great video. Thanks for the research. One missing point, I think an advantage for the Michelins would be lateral performance. Any way to compare the two brands in cornering ability? That has always seemed the big advantage for Michelins that make the poor wear and high price bearable. Thanks!
So far good results, would love to see a g force test see what one lets go first, and a breaking test. Hope they perform just as well.
I put these on my Range Rover. All four cost same price as 1 Pirelli Scorpion!! Work great and just as noisy/quiet!!
Hi Mark. I used to put them on my bmw 118i, the car did roll back a bit on the slope with these tyres on despite hill holding is working. Now I need to change tyres for my 328i. Do you have this issue?
in the next test could you test the braking distance? could also be a good indicator. Good job
Good data, only thing missing is performance on wet road - breaking and handling curves? If similar, the Winrun is a win.
Why does everyone get this wrong? It's "braking"...
@@MichaelFPalmosinaII thank you for correcting me, you are right it is from word brake, nor break :)
English is not my first language, but I should have known better.
Very nice Bjorn it’s good to know what the market have to offer and how these types performs and in the end we can make a choice 👍😊
Great review, Bjorn. My experience with Michelin is exactly the same as yours. In fact, I had to bring my X to the Service Center today to try and figure out what the hell is going on with my Michelin tires. They only have 14,000 miles [this is the 2nd set I've driven with] and are already 90% worn out [just like the first set].
Tesla Engineers are now involved ~ and I should have a definitive answer back to my local Service Center early next week. My guess is that they will most likely switch out my Michelin Tires for another Brand. I WISH TESLA CARRIED WINRUN ~ BUT AS YOU KNOW, AT THIS MOMENT, THEY DO NOT. Maybe with more GREAT REVIEWS [like yours], they'll begin to pay special attention to this brand and start to recommend them.
So glad and highly suspect of TH-cam to have this vid show up. I have been talking about WinRun for the last 2 hrs (never heard of it before) but a quick net search made it look good, so I just got the WinRun 205/55/16 330s as my road tires were feeling like slicks 🤪
Hope they keep us all safe for the next two years. ✌🏼
What was your experience like after two years?
How is the comfort and noise levels?
And can you comment on grip and breaking?
Tyres with long longevity are made from harder compound rubber.Tyres that wear quicker use softer compound rubber.You'll find that softer compound tyres like the Michelins will leave the winruns in its wake for wet weather handling,breaking and swerving tests.
"Breaking"? I for one will not respect a review of something automotive by someone who fails to use the correct verbiage in their discourse.
The correct word is "braking"...
Kingrun Phantom K3000 is definitely one of the best performing ultra sports tires I have ever experienced.. Very good quality/price. I recomend with all confidence!! Awesome tyres 😍
My personal tire test (as a German car engineer living in the US).
I recently got a Model X 75D with 20" standard wheels and (against all warnings for consumption and noise / comfort!) got a second set with 22" turbine wheels (they ones you threw OFF, Bjorn... ;-). I got those 22 rims used, went to the tire store and did NOT get the factory PIRELLI's but instead CONTINENTAL (specifically: Extreme Contact DWS 06).
Result:
- The difference in noise is minimal.
- The difference in consumption is minimal (non scientific testing at 75mph: 330 Wh/mile with 20's, 350 Wh/mile with 22's)
Very positively surprised and guess what - I am keeping the 22's. At least for now...
Side note: in the US, the 20" factory slipstream wheels are also equipped with Conti's, not Pirellis as on the 22's which I think must be, in Bjorn-terms, CRAP! :-)
Thanks for your very helpful videos!
its very interesting how the compound affects the range on teslas, thx Bjorn. i dont have access to those chinese tires, but i ,can dfefinitly check out other brands with better wear number.
Thank you for your dedication to perform a proper test
Kool story bro.... I sale both brands, and for quite sometime now and you enlightened me.....
Thank you. 😎👊🏽
Chinese tires can vary wildly (much like American tires). Some Chinese tires can be really awesome, but I have seen some Chinese tires that lacked basic safety features such as bead wedges, which is an industry standard in American made tires.
Amazing video !! Thank you !
So what's your thoughts about winrun 4 years later? Are XL tyres not better on electric due to weight?
Of all your videos, this is probably one of the most useful/easy recommendations for Tesla ownership. Thanks!
very interesting! maybe you could also do a braking distance test when you test tyres?
edit: I just read you're going to do just that. nice
Hey Björn, thanks for the Information. It seems, that the Chinese tyre to be harder. So what about a comparison in breaking on wet ground. This is very relevant for the safety. Can you measure it?
How did the tyres compare on braking perfomance on both wet and dry surfaces?
I am sold. It,s WINRUNs for me. Great vid . thanks
it's all about overpaying for a brand I guess. + having tires with slightly harder rubber compound and a bit narrower tire width will improve your car's efficiency even more.
I loved the test!
I bought a volvo S80 2.5t that comes with goodride / Westlake tyres. This was the first time I use china tyres. They measure up to my expectations in comfort , durability as I am only an occasionally aggressive driver.
Lately one tyre gave way because of 2 yrs of none use because of covid while I was driving long distance..
The tyre shop recommended another china tyre blackhawk tyre from Sailun China. This tyre even performed better .
I am satisfied with china tyre quality. They don't break your bank🙂
Thank u bjørn 👍👍👍
Driving my Audi s3 in Sailun produced Blackhawk HU02 tyres. So far so good, runs smooth on a stormy weather, haven't tried on a dry road yet, but pretty quiet too.
Budget tyres will last longer and get better MPG, because they’re hard and therefore don’t grip as well!
Not everybody needs to go really fast on a roardcorse track ,, i love my linglong uhp tyres on a Audi A6 2016
Not everybody needs to have high speed manouverability in our daily driven cars,,,
I love my linglong uhp tyres on our audi a6 [245/45R18] (yearmodel 2016)
No they do not but comparing corvetts to chevetts is not a true or useful comparison. This video is about a soft performance tire vs a hard economy/touring tire, if you know anything about tires you know what point I am making.
The hard tires will get warm and softer while driving and have plenty of grip especially for highway use and some spirited driving. Michelin sport cup tires or those like it are extremely soft and are have horrible wear because of it. Those kind of tires are a waste of money unless you have high horsepower or a car going on track.
Furthermore many large name brand tires are made overseas and people paying for a name.
Thanks for the video
Found your video searching for new inexpensive tires. COVID pandemic has created a surge in pricing I noticed. FYI I run Zenna Argus in my sports coupe, and Westlake 369 in my large SUV. I learned because drifters never pay a lot for tires lol. I’ve had good results over the last 3yrs! 🙏🏽
How are you liking the zenna Argus tires? What are you running them on? Thinking about throwing them on my 392
@@matthewbeckmon1673 2005 G35, 6sp
Hej @Bjørn Nyland, do you know the Landsail LS588 tires? I have never heard of them but my dad just bought them for his Model S. Seem to be cheap chinese tires, so maybe you know anything about them? :)
I got my new car last friday, and today I pulled a nail out of it. It wasn't punctured, but it scared me enough to start cehcking around on prices already. Turns out the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S that the car came with, costs 5000 NOK (500 USD ish) a piece. Nice to know there is way cheaper alternative, which isn't downright crap just because its cheap. Thank you very much for useful advice :)
I'll bet you they're crap, he didnt actually do any valid testing except wear and rolling resistance. I've tried tyres that are bad in the wet, and its NOT fun when you find out in a panic situation.
Edit: Just looked at an ACTUAL test. 29% longer breake distance, thats 29%!!! In the wet breaking test. You might have saved a few bucks, but you're gonna ram the dude with good tyres, emergency breaking in front of you.
@@MyrKnof keep a Good distance from the vehicle Infront and you'll be fine.
Only a few aspects in comparison is not an overall overview. How about the handling in all road conditions? Brake performance in all road conditions? Acceleration performance in all road conditions?
I’ve been using Sailun Atrezzo ZSR’s on my BMW 535d for over 2 years now and believe they peform as well or even better than the Continentals that came on the car for a fraction of the cost. Chinese tyres were a big gamble many years ago but I now believe they are as good as many of the big brand items. I have no testing proof for this, just my opinion and observation. Wet stopping distance was my biggest surprise. They are so good 👍. Will be fitting them to an EV when I get one.
John K I can confirm that the Sailun Altrezzos are amazing!
Yep, another good Chinese tyre. Sailun and jylin tyres are on new Volkswagens in Asia so can't be that shit. I drive fast, tow often, and run 5 up alot. Never had a jylin or blacklion fail, I've had pirelli and Michelin shread on the motorway.
Re noise test, were you testing worn Michelin’s vs new winrun’s?
If Xiaomi produced tires 🤯
Or Huawei..
Hello, I would like to know that such is the quality of the SUPERMAX TM-1 tires
What about in terms of braking in wet weather will the budget brands tyres like rapid and winrun stop at same distance like same like premium brands like michelin and Bridgestone ??
chinese tyres are good. cheap and best.
What about the hardness? It seems obvious that the Michelin are softer, that's why they wear faster and the car consumes more because of the friction. You need to do a braking test, from 100 to 0 and measure the distance to know if both have the same grip, not having weelspeen during acceleration means nothing since the car has traction control.
Have an Honda CRV MK11 with Michelin Latitude Cross it has really great grip and comfort plus it also that mild All Season aspect to same, 'M+S' for our mild climate here in South west Ireland, great tyre for our secondary roads and rough roads with a good stiff side wall coupled with great comfort, would recommend same as when one thinks it's when the tyres get more that well used it's only then that you would be looking for same to deliver on safety... that's my view on same. It's reckoned that the cheaper tyres loose this ability very quickly compared to Premium tyres.
Hey Bjorn! I just got a set of "Double King" tires... what could you say about them? There is not much information I could find out there...
Good review, thanks! Sounds like winrun are a pretty decent tyre for the money
what about stopping distance what was the difference
The Michelin wears faster because it is produced of a softer material. The softer material gives better grip. The accelleration is a bad way to test how good grip you have. Better to just floor the brakes and see stop distance.
And wet braking.
Great video (as usual). Are your wheels staggered? (Larger in back).
+Philip Chou Yes, 275 in back and 255 in front.
They are not too bad..I was running some Westlake and then goodride tyres both performed very very well for their price...as the saying goes..don't knock it till you tried it..
White Thunder west lake and good ride are the same tyres just so you know
thank you so much
Thanks, informative. It seems that average driving would warrant using Winrun. Which is probably most vehicles.
Where can you buy these tires in the USA?
Real world review fantastic video...nothing wrong with Chinese tyres they’re good value for money not as grippy as a top brand name but not as bad as people like to have you believe.
I am using all Chinese tyres on my fleet...being the biggest fleet is my Toyota Vellfire....the Chinese tyre brand is COMPASAL to be exact...so far so good, quiet and proven grip on wet and dry, but I didn't push hard on this tyre...a casual daily drive..the faster I go on the highway is160KM/h and sometime 180KM/h, but not long...already completed 2 cycles of tyre set changing with the same brand. Good budget tyre that doesn't tear off your pocket...😅...love from Malaysia...🇲🇾
I’ve been comparing my old Michelin’s with Hankook tires and have found them to be near identical, despite the Hankook not having the foam technology. You literally cannot y’all the difference. I’m partly being cheap, but if the Michelin’s are better qualities then I would have stuck with it. I enjoy paying for quality but Michelin has proven itself more gimmicky than anything else with the foam tech. Having said that, could you text the Hankook tires? Thanks.
Btw. I have a 2018 model X.
thanks!
I just replaced my tires to SuperCat, good price. Let me see how it goes
Good and useful video.
The Michelin is probably a better tyre in an emegency braking situation. As already stated the softer compound will bring you to a stop in a shorter distance.That is a big risk to take with cheaper tyres.Safety first
Simples compare rubber shoreA hardness.
I will have to get you to nimber me some here in the UK as sadly last time I checked we can't purchase them for my new leaf :(
Just found out that if I change my wheels to the 16 inch variants I can get these tyres. Cheers
I think the most important thing is not the brand, but the usual checking of the status of the tires. Many people just don't care about tire pressure or tires being worn down.
performance in the wet?
What about the all important wet breaking performance?
This is where Michelin and Pirelli come in. They will save your life. So my daily car is Range Rover Sport and I have Gripmax (which is Chinese brand name for the German market), and these tires cost 70% less than Michelin and Pirelli. On my M5 Competition I use Michelin tires, this is where breaking performance comes in, and you don't want to save money here. 95% have normal cars and they should buy Chinese brands like Winrun and Gripmax (which I think is the same company but different branding for different markets)
Again, with the "breaking".... It's "braking"... At least try to look informed.
Seriously? You drive an M5 and do not know the difference between "breaking" and braking"? Your license should be revoked.
@@MichaelFPalmosinaII When something breaks, you need to put on the brake.
i had / have the same experience - my brand is also chinese "landsail" they make low noise, are good for 80.000 km, good efficiency in rain and braking - and the best: less than 300.- euro for a complete set of tires
i use this kind of tire with my 2 teslas and more than 100.000 km and i am very satisfied with them
Need to try next chg..
Go Bjorn! Thanks a lot for the review.
Michelins don't really come with as much tread depth as other tires do either, unless it's an SUV or truck tire. I love my Michelin Pilot Sport AS tires on my Corvette though. Very good brand if you got a sports car and don't care about wear lol.
what about brakes ... ? any measurements ?
I am surprised you don't realize the major difference between the two tires is the hardness of the compound (efficiency, durability,etc)
Great video. I used 1 set of Michelin Pilot Cups before I knew I would neeeeeever buy another set of pilot cups. I think I only got 15,000 miles out of them. I drive 2-5k/miles a month. So, 3 months for $1,000? Lol. Hell 2the no!
Pilot cups are basically track tires, what did I think was going to happen lol
But now you'll have to do a break and grip comparison! Because if the Chinese tires are unsafe to drive I'll stick with my stock ones.
I will do a test later. Didn't I mention that in the video?
Please do. I agree softer tires perform better, but if you drive distance this is a great buy!
you can only say "unsave" if you have tested it - did you ?
i did - and they are not !
Wet traction will be shit with the cheap tires. Get it up to 100 on a wet road and hit the brakes hard and you'll see why Michelin's are superior in grip and traction.
I wrote "if they're unsafe, then..."
What about brake lenght in wet condition?? Then you will see how bad they are...
I just bought winrun r380 set of four, just putted on today, havent tried rain day yet🙂
How long did your tyres last ?
I saw a car with Luckyland Happy Gallop tyres the other day :D
Better grip on the road always comes with price. To be more economic, harder tire is better for sure but not for safety. Love winrun though . I have them on awd wagon. Very good life span. Super economic with reasonable price, well built. For my model 3 , still considering but when it comes to performance , it cannot win over high end brands. Just my opinion.
At a price yes, but now in 2023 Michelin PS4 are 400% more expensive than budget here in UK for 19s on a Model S Performance. I always used Mich but no longer. They also wore out way too fast. For £900 a set I want more than 18k miles (and that was with a rotation). I will keep an eye out for Winrun, thanks.
I bought a used volvo s80 , the last owner use goodride tyres. I find them ok.
I use to buy Michael Tires they are ok to drive on but I found they did not last due to cracking because of Dry rot
Tread wear is not directly related to tire quality. There are 60k mile tires out there and 30k mile tires...the higher mileage tires will last longer and wear out slower but you won't get the same performance as the lower mile tires. You have to decide what's more important - longer lasting tire or higher performance tire that stops faster and grips the road better.
I have had Hifly summer tyres. They performed good only the first half of the year. Then they started to peel off and gone bubling and noise became ubnormal. For now I dont trust chep ch...se brands. How much did gone with these? How do they wear?
Hello Bjorn, thank you for good video. Did anyone tried WINRUN R330 W-Silent? They have foam inside and are the only tyre in 17" that has this technology that I found. I have Michelin Primacy 4 on my Kona and cavity resonance is awfull. They are too loud and annoying.
nice video
Tire comparisons are great but always remember all the technology in the car can't do anything without those four small contact patches touching the ground. Given what Michelin spends on R&D, I'll stick with their poor life. I had a Pirelli separate at 70mph and the tread band instantly destroyed the inner fenderwell of the car. Tire construction, compounds, design are very important. At the very least, hopefully the Chinese tires coming out keep the prices of all tires competitive.
I have some hifly on the back and bf goodrich on the front of my 1991 nissan maxima and they have both held up really well. I just did a road trip and was going 95mph on the highway and 25mph over a huge mountain with lots of turns. No complaints. Have 2 years on them and they have almost all of their thread. Just bought another set of hiflys at601 for the xterra. They seem to be great especially for the price.
Let's fix this perception that efficiency doesn't matter too much, if your battery is big enough. It always matters that we are taking efficiency gains when we can, and in this case, it's a free gain. Every electron wasted in an inefficient EV, means another one needs to be generated for another purpose like lighting, heating, or even industry. Even rooftop solar owners generating their own power, should still conserve and push their unused renewable energy to the grid. Thanks for this good insight on tire efficiency. I hope Tesla takes notice and considers either making a change, or at least making an option to run more efficient tires.
How about the braking?
Braking distance is shockingly bad on most Chinese tyres.
The Michelin also has terrible braking distance and grip due to poor lifetime.
i did not notice this in over 5 years and more than 100.000 km :-)
Bjørn Nyland usually poor lifetime happens when they grip and brake like crazy ;)
especially on wet roads!
Braking distance is quite a few different things.not just tyres , struts/shocks are the worst offender for poor braking distance , brake fluid brake pads , performance slotted and drilled rotors as well I found superb on cars, I am an auto technician, so you have to have all systems working efficiently to stop your car most people drive around with old brake fluid in their car which stuffs application times in braking systems brake fade is one of the worst , every two years replace your brake fluid bleed it if using dot 4, with synthetic brake fluids though you have to bleed brakes regurlarly
in my market Chinese tire is called Gripmax and they are amazing! I just paid 4 tires for my Range Rover sport 490 EUR. Pirelli would cost me 1150 EUR.
But what about the really important safety things - grip in wet and dry weather, breaking performance etc
Braking.
Just wanted to understand more Why would it matter with a 75d?
I have firemax FM601 On my skoda octavia - im a little bit scared at higher speeds compare to firestone road hawk which i abused a lot. So be careful if you have these tyres on 😅
Hey Bjørn. I want to buy a chinese Brand of tyre. I also live in Norway. Any perticular Brand you recomend? I have premium Continentals on my car. But i dont like them because they have very sticky rubber and this results i. ‘Steinsprut’ paint damage on my doors when i drive in my yard or gravel road. When i turn the wheels over the Stones come up on the tyre and lett go and hit the side of my car. These tyres are also getting worn out so i need new tyres. My car is a 2015 Toyota Auris. Tyres im considering are LingLong, winho, Imperial and landsail. Pleased to hear.
You need mud flaps.
Linlong have some good reviews.
Does anyone know Mileking tires?
I have them on my new to me truck. They look good and are R/T. Couldn’t find anything online.
Does winrun make runflats ?
I got some cheap Chinese tyres that cost about £50 each for the MOT test and after about 3 months they have become noisy, so much so that I took them to my local garage and they told me the inside tread is slightly bulging and although it's not dangerous yet it is really annoying, so much so I have to turn the radio up so I can't hear them. I think I will go back to good brand part worn for about £30 a tyre, that way I know Iv got something good.
Part worn tyres can be lethal if your not a mechanic or have never worked in a tyre shop.. date stamps, cracking, tread, how many repairs etc all need to be taken into account on a part worn.
What about tracktion on wet/dry ? Try to take on a close racing circuit in both conditions and perform a lap times .
Braking distance wet/dry - same goes here , that's the most important test , emergancy braking!
Until you try all of the above , the noise and the lipe span of a tire is not significant as its safety .
In general, comfortable compromises distance, better grip less kilometers.
What about grip when cornering in both dry and wet surface?
Seems very good so far. I have to compare these two directly in a separate test.
Grip isn't important, what matters is how the tires sound :)
Did you check the grip in wet surfaces?
Treadwear of 220 on the Winrun? I normally look for 600+
No, treadwear 220 on Michelin.
Better use the softer compound tyre which performs better in wet. Save your life and others.
Had 275 40 20 , and 315 35 20 in my bmw x5.. winruns are excellent.. i driven on michelin and prellis and this is just as good. If you are a sensible driver.
You should compare breaking distance.
Braking.
Swedish car magazine Teknikens Värld recently published a test of summer tyres. According to that test, two Chinese tyres - Goodride and Winrun - are terribly bad. The Winrun tyre is so bad that it should be labeled with a skull alert. The magazine states that the Winrun probably is the worst new tyre they have ever tested. The tyre's road grip is lousy, with long braking distances and driving characteristics just as bad, since the tyre hardly has any side grip. It's also very poor when it comes to aquaplaning add it's hard to stop the car even on dry roads. Furthermore, the tyre is the noisiest of all tested tyres and has a high rolling resistance.