The AFL have completely cocked this all up from the start. They've let nameless, faceless players who don't even want to share the 'evidence' or allow themselves to be interviewed by the panel at all. They've apparently made demands which curiously enough are mostly centred around money. Now the AFL must tell these players to front up or shut up or just squash the whole thing. What an absolute conjob.
Well said and I totally agree. Anonymous people have been allowed to sling mud at people who have not been afforded anonymity without being subject to questioning to establish the veracity of their claims. The investigative panel seems to have its hands tied behind its back, which is why this is taking forever. Hawthorn stuffed up when they didn't send the report back to the author with the demand that for the sake of balance all accused parties be interviewed and to include their responses in the final report. The author appointed himself as judge, jury and executioner by including a statement about compensation for the accusers. This is and has always been about money.
The AFL are too afraid of being labelled as racist. They know if this case is thrown out, sections of Australia will label them as racists, old white men, etc. Gil does not want to be remembered as a racist so he'd rather handball all responsibility to an independent party and point the finger at them. Meanwhile, the alleged victims, Clarko, Fagan and the game suffer.
What a joke, faceless nameless, I have heard the trouble these so-called victims have created, and of course, no one in the media has the balls to investigate their behaviours, scared of being labelled racist. It's pathetic, just like Robbo crying on 360 when all this rubbish came out, but they were allowed to name and shame the accuses and left them out to hang.
Absolutely RACIST and appalling comment. You clearly made that "KFC" comment as it was directed towards the darker skin Hawthorn players involved in this saga, just because they are of Dark descent does not mean that they all love fried chicken. DISGUSTING!
@@nathrogers7 Allegedly there is a shitload of emails etc. Surely it would take about 30 minutes to check the emails that were allegedly sent to the club from these people and check the time stamps and see if they were ever sent or received. The fact that this hasn't been forthcoming lends credence to the fact most of it was made up out of thin air
Whatever the final result is, there's zero possibilty that this can ever be viewed as being a just decicion. The complainaints can say whatever they wish, and the defendants are told to STFU
@@paulkyriakopoulos3444 Or when he accusers refuse to be questioned on their allegations. That in itself should ensure the whole thing is just thrown out, but I bet they still receive a payout, which I suspect is all they are after.
@@gustaaf1892 Well aslong as clarko and Fagan coaching and their reputations are not impacted . The accusers don't deserve money but as you say somehow Afl will pay them.
The media, and journalists in general, need to take a hard look at themselves. How do they sleep at night? Revulting humans, preying off of the misfortunes of others. The way that they put people to the sword, they wouldn't last 5 minutes under the same pressure.
There's a dollar to be made in making racism accusations. There'll be some sort of settlement, whether the accusations are remotely credible, or otherwise.
Unfortunately that is likely to be the case. This is all about money, so people can be paid to go away. If the AFL does make a non-disclosed payment then the accused might have a case against the AFL for reputational damage because any payment would be like an admission of guilt on their behalf that they haven't agreed to. The AFL rather than the accused making such a payment doesn't change that.
If this turns out to be that Clarkson had done nothing wrong then I really do feel for him. Hopefully we can get a result soon so we can all move on in this. Nobody wins in these scenarios.
I dont think his reputation is being dragged through the mud. I think everyone agrees with him about the way it is being handled. Unless he is found 100% guilty, this will make everyone feel bad for the man
I think they should be looking at Jeff Kennett rather than the coaching staff. I don't think Clarko or Fagan would do anything that is considered racist. Kennett, I'm not so sure about.
Why wasn't all this racial crap brought up when Collingwood was going through the same stuff? The afl and media love this bulldust! I just ignore it and encourage everyone else to do the same.
They want to punish & shame the HFC in a trail by media for jeffs role in the 'Boyzclub book, that exposed the aFL commission & Gill for the joke of a boysclub that it is....That's just how petty & petulant Gill & his mates truly are...they're rather proving Jeff right.
@@paulk756are you kidding mate its a 1000% the same as what essendon went thru....trial by media, zero evidence and many leaks and harassment of James and his family pushing him to suicide. A moron is the only person that cant see the similarities....Clarko, Fagan and Hawthorn can suck it up as they were nowhere when it was happening to someone else.
This is more than a swipe at the process, I'd say this is as close to an admission as we're going to get as to how it all really ended between Hawthorn and Clarko but also, Clarko, Mitchell and Kennett. Particularly the end bit.
What, so you can attack them? After the Goodes saga, do you blame them for trying to stay anonymous? There's a whole hoard of footy bigots out there just waiting to slay them FFS.
They can't allow transparency because then their game will be up....they still can't get over Hawks fans booing their 'Project Goodes'....Because we all know that 'Booing must be racist'.....LOL.
Given the time-frame in question, then there's only 2-3 players it could be....Like to see the aFL try & prove that anything clarko & Fagan did or said, was fundamentally different to any other plyer who never made the grade.....I highly doubt it....anyhow, it's all just pay-back for Jeff sticking it to the afl.
If that's the case, then this saga needs to be wrapped up so everyone can move on with their lives. That's the point of what they're talking about. They aren't talking about whether he's guilty or not. They're discussing the handling of the whole situation, which has been shambolic.
@@jasoncarmichael4540 HOW was he caught being an abuser.?..It's all alleged at the moment and HE WANTS closure.. He could probs file a damges lawsuit on BS-talking like you are..Did you actually listen to Clarko?.... I'm a Magpie so I have no vested interest other than the right thing being done.
@@jasoncarmichael4540 Throwing out due process for unproven allegations for which they have refused to produce the evidence that they allegedly has. Says a lot more about you
Yep, him and Mitchell. It was more than a swipe at the process, it was as close as we're going to probably get to an admission as to how things really ended between Hawthorn and Clarko.
How so? Unfounded allegations they should very easily be able to be at least supported with evidence but none has been provided. Emails were allegedly sent to club officials. Produce the emails. Would take 30 minutes to confirm if they're legit or not
Agreed that the situation has not been handled well. However ,if he is guilty then any suffering he experiences is appropriate, necessary and justified.
And if he and the other two are innocent? Why were they named and the accusers who refuse to make themselves available for questioning have been allowed to remain anonymous?
@@smoothbeak I know quite a few, particularly with regard to Asian and aboriginal people. A mate I grew up with in Melbourne liked to talk about how much Asian people stink unsolicited. I currently work with a South African bloke who thinks black people are sub-human. There’s certainly I lot of anti-Muslim and anti-immigration sentiment with the people I work with too. Might just need a better job. Glad you’ve had a different experience
@@markharrison6498 Don't forget that racism is a two-way street. Aboriginal people can be terribly racist towards any other group. They can even be racist towards other Aboriginal groups like dark skin versus light skin.
Racism is a very sensitive subject and any chance of being accused of it can lead to a severe backlash, even if comments are objective and not racially motivated. In today's woke world people are effectively prevented from speaking their mind. It is a form of unhealthy censorship.
@@daniellebcooper7160 the fact that Cyril Rioli took that as racism shows how weak an individual he is and if he saw that as racism then that what he thinks of his own people which is disgraceful
The AFL have completely cocked this all up from the start. They've let nameless, faceless players who don't even want to share the 'evidence' or allow themselves to be interviewed by the panel at all.
They've apparently made demands which curiously enough are mostly centred around money. Now the AFL must tell these players to front up or shut up or just squash the whole thing.
What an absolute conjob.
Well said and I totally agree. Anonymous people have been allowed to sling mud at people who have not been afforded anonymity without being subject to questioning to establish the veracity of their claims. The investigative panel seems to have its hands tied behind its back, which is why this is taking forever. Hawthorn stuffed up when they didn't send the report back to the author with the demand that for the sake of balance all accused parties be interviewed and to include their responses in the final report. The author appointed himself as judge, jury and executioner by including a statement about compensation for the accusers. This is and has always been about money.
The AFL are too afraid of being labelled as racist. They know if this case is thrown out, sections of Australia will label them as racists, old white men, etc. Gil does not want to be remembered as a racist so he'd rather handball all responsibility to an independent party and point the finger at them. Meanwhile, the alleged victims, Clarko, Fagan and the game suffer.
What a joke, faceless nameless, I have heard the trouble these so-called victims have created, and of course, no one in the media has the balls to investigate their behaviours, scared of being labelled racist. It's pathetic, just like Robbo crying on 360 when all this rubbish came out, but they were allowed to name and shame the accuses and left them out to hang.
Did someone say KFC ?
I don’t care I love it
Absolutely RACIST and appalling comment. You clearly made that "KFC" comment as it was directed towards the darker skin Hawthorn players involved in this saga, just because they are of Dark descent does not mean that they all love fried chicken. DISGUSTING!
Shut uppp… and take my money.
In the end the accusers must show up or this fiasco was always about money.
How can they provide evidence? It’s all hearsay, no one walks around carrying a camera recording of all conversations 🤦🏼♀️
Text messages, complaint forms, club counselling notes, emails etc. There is actually shitloads of stuff.
@@nathrogers7 Allegedly there is a shitload of emails etc. Surely it would take about 30 minutes to check the emails that were allegedly sent to the club from these people and check the time stamps and see if they were ever sent or received. The fact that this hasn't been forthcoming lends credence to the fact most of it was made up out of thin air
@@McWhatevs no the legal system doesn't work that way it probably wont be resolve by this year
Whatever the final result is, there's zero possibilty that this can ever be viewed as being a just decicion. The complainaints can say whatever they wish, and the defendants are told to STFU
It's fucking ludicrous mate. Complete clownshow
No just decision can be made if the accusers don't get named.
@@paulkyriakopoulos3444 Or when he accusers refuse to be questioned on their allegations. That in itself should ensure the whole thing is just thrown out, but I bet they still receive a payout, which I suspect is all they are after.
@@gustaaf1892 Well aslong as clarko and Fagan coaching and their reputations are not impacted . The accusers don't deserve money but as you say somehow Afl will pay them.
How the hell does this take guilty or not he needs his say . All you can say is there is only one voice at the moment.
The media, and journalists in general, need to take a hard look at themselves. How do they sleep at night? Revulting humans, preying off of the misfortunes of others. The way that they put people to the sword, they wouldn't last 5 minutes under the same pressure.
There's a dollar to be made in making racism accusations. There'll be some sort of settlement, whether the accusations are remotely credible, or otherwise.
Unfortunately that is likely to be the case. This is all about money, so people can be paid to go away. If the AFL does make a non-disclosed payment then the accused might have a case against the AFL for reputational damage because any payment would be like an admission of guilt on their behalf that they haven't agreed to. The AFL rather than the accused making such a payment doesn't change that.
If this turns out to be that Clarkson had done nothing wrong then I really do feel for him. Hopefully we can get a result soon so we can all move on in this. Nobody wins in these scenarios.
I dont think his reputation is being dragged through the mud. I think everyone agrees with him about the way it is being handled. Unless he is found 100% guilty, this will make everyone feel bad for the man
I think they should be looking at Jeff Kennett rather than the coaching staff. I don't think Clarko or Fagan would do anything that is considered racist. Kennett, I'm not so sure about.
Dermott's comments then are very professional in his explanation I was expecting a more biased response kudos to him
... racial allegations will only get worse when/ if the Voice gets through this year.
Why wasn't all this racial crap brought up when Collingwood was going through the same stuff? The afl and media love this bulldust! I just ignore it and encourage everyone else to do the same.
They want to punish & shame the HFC in a trail by media for jeffs role in the 'Boyzclub book, that exposed the aFL commission & Gill for the joke of a boysclub that it is....That's just how petty & petulant Gill & his mates truly are...they're rather proving Jeff right.
Hilarious how these guys want procedural fairness when they were silent when Essendon players got none
Not sure how Essendon have anything to do with this or the connection. Clothing at straws mate
that is like saying I can't believe you are saying murder is wrong when a South Sudanese person got murdered 4 years ago and you didn't anything
The Essendon case was based on real events that were proven, whereas the accusations of racism are not at all proven and are unlikely to be.
Yeah, it's all about you mate.
@@paulk756are you kidding mate its a 1000% the same as what essendon went thru....trial by media, zero evidence and many leaks and harassment of James and his family pushing him to suicide.
A moron is the only person that cant see the similarities....Clarko, Fagan and Hawthorn can suck it up as they were nowhere when it was happening to someone else.
This is more than a swipe at the process, I'd say this is as close to an admission as we're going to get as to how it all really ended between Hawthorn and Clarko but also, Clarko, Mitchell and Kennett. Particularly the end bit.
I haven't heard anyone talk about this other than clarkson, clarkson is the only one with a voice
Anonymous accusations are the best IMO
Time To Name Accusers!.
What, so you can attack them? After the Goodes saga, do you blame them for trying to stay anonymous? There's a whole hoard of footy bigots out there just waiting to slay them FFS.
Where are the indigenous players being Involved that were allegedly part of this!? if you can't give me them this story doesn't exist 😂
Oh look an emoji!
@@billbaggins1688 yeah? 😂
They can't allow transparency because then their game will be up....they still can't get over Hawks fans booing their 'Project Goodes'....Because we all know that 'Booing must be racist'.....LOL.
Type you are 100%correct mate where are they and who are they.
Given the time-frame in question, then there's only 2-3 players it could be....Like to see the aFL try & prove that anything clarko & Fagan did or said, was fundamentally different to any other plyer who never made the grade.....I highly doubt it....anyhow, it's all just pay-back for Jeff sticking it to the afl.
Essendon dodged a bullet with Clarko. This whole saga smells of Kennett.
Kennett wasn't even there at the time of claimed transgressions....don't let the facts get in the way of your BS.
Just post a very similar comment. Investigate Kennett.
@@Ozvideo1959 For what exactly?
@@alansimmonds9030 He was the club president during that time, there has to be some examination of his role too. Not just the coaching staff.
@@Ozvideo1959 No, he wasn't....Please get your facts straight.
He’s the one who was caught being an abuser
If that's the case, then this saga needs to be wrapped up so everyone can move on with their lives.
That's the point of what they're talking about. They aren't talking about whether he's guilty or not. They're discussing the handling of the whole situation, which has been shambolic.
@@StuTheDon17 but not hawthorn’s fault
@@jasoncarmichael4540 HOW was he caught being an abuser.?..It's all alleged at the moment and HE WANTS closure.. He could probs file a damges lawsuit on BS-talking like you are..Did you actually listen to Clarko?.... I'm a Magpie so I have no vested interest other than the right thing being done.
@@okboomahfromblackrod2939 a magpie supporter , well that says a lot lol
@@jasoncarmichael4540 Throwing out due process for unproven allegations for which they have refused to produce the evidence that they allegedly has. Says a lot more about you
DERRRMMYYYY
Is he talking about Jeff Kennett
Yep, him and Mitchell. It was more than a swipe at the process, it was as close as we're going to probably get to an admission as to how things really ended between Hawthorn and Clarko.
@@epektasis242 he ain't talking about Kennett when it comes to that, it's a shot at the way Kennett handled his sacking
Clarkson's ability to perform his duties as a coach is untenable at this point.
The burden of proof is on those who assert the claims.
How so? Unfounded allegations they should very easily be able to be at least supported with evidence but none has been provided. Emails were allegedly sent to club officials. Produce the emails. Would take 30 minutes to confirm if they're legit or not
Wasn’t he the head coach in charge at time. If this occurred in America he'd be gone
Nothings been proven at all so why would he be gone lol
Do they deregister people in America on the basis of mere allegations?
Ah go load ya gun muppett
@@gustaaf1892 happens all the time here, unfortunately.
Agreed that the situation has not been handled well. However ,if he is guilty then any suffering he experiences is appropriate, necessary and justified.
And if he and the other two are innocent? Why were they named and the accusers who refuse to make themselves available for questioning have been allowed to remain anonymous?
Plenty of people in Australia are still perfectly fine with racism unfortunately. Can’t agree with dermott.
Yeah any time a conversation about race comes up it immediately draws quite obnoxious comments.
@@spiderweb5539 unfortunately yeah. Hope it’s not reflective of the population
Personally I don't know anyone who I would consider to be racist. I think that people don't see it as an issue.
@@smoothbeak I know quite a few, particularly with regard to Asian and aboriginal people. A mate I grew up with in Melbourne liked to talk about how much Asian people stink unsolicited. I currently work with a South African bloke who thinks black people are sub-human. There’s certainly I lot of anti-Muslim and anti-immigration sentiment with the people I work with too. Might just need a better job. Glad you’ve had a different experience
@@markharrison6498 Don't forget that racism is a two-way street. Aboriginal people can be terribly racist towards any other group. They can even be racist towards other Aboriginal groups like dark skin versus light skin.
What a joke.
Cunnington is not his old self.
Unfortunately he might be coming to the end of his great career. We'll remember him for what he was rather than for what he now is.
All these 'commentators" sit on the fence.
Racism is a very sensitive subject and any chance of being accused of it can lead to a severe backlash, even if comments are objective and not racially motivated. In today's woke world people are effectively prevented from speaking their mind. It is a form of unhealthy censorship.
The whole situation stinks to high heavens and Jeff Kennetts skeletons will get brought to the light soon.
what skeletons do you refer to?. not the dad comment he made about some torn jeans?.
@@daniellebcooper7160 the fact that Cyril Rioli took that as racism shows how weak an individual he is and if he saw that as racism then that what he thinks of his own people which is disgraceful
LOL....Jeff wasn't even there during the time of claimed 'racism' doofus....Talk about ill-informed.
Dermott is about as interesting as a wet towel. Get some freshness.