Embarrassing :P - I had hoped he would edit that out. I was asking because I was working on a revision to match the domes. I had no idea he was recording lol XD
"Rusty trains means making profit, making profit means being rewarded by the magical hand of the free market, therefore rusty trains are *morally good* . That was Dennis Prager, defending of planned obsolescence, for Prager uNiVeRsiTy."
They needed to expand. There are whole cities and regions in the USA with little to no public transportation infrastructure: LA, Houston, Dallas, etc - prime markets for regional and interurban trains, commuter trains, metro trains, and streetcars/lightrail.
@@kentallard8852 LA has more rail than you might be giving it credit for, and has a lot more under construction, or eventually being constructed. Granted, there could and should still be more, but LA isn't completely devoid of public transit. San Diego on the other hand, could use A LOT more rail
I can't wait to tell the Ayn Rand fans, that an innovative railroad manufacturing company went down because the market forces discourge long term innovation and planning.
@Pentode7591 For a private Company to have the means and the foresight to develop nuclear energy, it'll basically have to be the size of a State. Apply the same reasoning to "space age science", or to anything related to sanitation and healthcare.
@@Tasurincci Are you okay? Most of our current "space-age" innovation is being done by private entities, with some government help, but there are tons of companies interested in space travel and utilization. All modern computer science and AI research is done in the private sector. You have to face it that there are only two things that make someone invent new things and that's money and power, the government wants technology to beat the other guy and companies want technology to make more money or save money. Also communism sucks, it has and never will succeed because of greed and power hunger people(which is also the reason that capitalism can suck at times too).
@@mortemmalum7228 the trailblazers of all that technology were the US military, Nasa the Raf, British intelligence, and other Nacional bodies who issued the requirements and the funding, microchips, metametarials, lithography, rocketscience, nuclear energy, even nowdays private space agencies / aerospace depend on public contracts.
You've gotten me all pumped about locomotives and infrastructure and I have nothing to out this newfound passion towards. Help, what do I do with this train excitement
I really do want more trains. This passed summer I found myself in upstate New York working with the Boy Scouts, I did not drive myself there; rather my uncle dropped me off and then went on a tour of New England by himself since he was there and never been to the North East. To fast-forward, through things outside of my control the initial plans to catch a ride back with a friend who was also working at the same camp (and who in fact clued me into the fact to work there was even an option) I ended up taking the train. That was perhaps the easiest and comfiest thing I ever did travel wise. It's the sort of thing that's made the idea of rail more visceral since starting to watch the channel and I've started wondering what might be done with rail in my area to improve the travel experience, or even the parking experience in town since in the evening it's impossible to find a parking space in town and I'm starting to wonder if the down-town railway could be re-purposed as a passenger light rail to help bring people in and out of town because fuck them and especially fuck their cars. Go get drunk at the brewery and go home via train, let up the pressure on the roads a bit.
The RDC design is probably one of the most influential designs in global modern rail history, given how many were licensed and exported globally as well as derivative designs countries either ordered/licensed or built themselves. Sadly, all the ones in my part of Australia were scrapped at the same time as a local design intended to replace them. However, there are elements of Budd design in various designs created by Comeng and Tulloch (the one that designed those double deck carriages you may or may not have read about as an oddity some time). To this day, there are strong limitations on what components can be used in trains here and while other nations have moved on to mostly aluminium construction, carriages are still stainless steel tanks in true Budd fashion. If you ever get enough patreon rubles to visit, maybe a tour of some 'Sputniks' is in order?
Budd also made the "Mezzanine" cars used on Chicago's Metra commuter rail system. While the design of these cars was passed along to other manufacturers for orders made after 1987, there are still plenty of original Budd built Mezzanines in service. The 2600 series cars on the CTA are also still in use, for at least another year or so until the CRRC Sifang America 7000s are put into service on the Blue Line. Car 3200 was the last car of that series, and one of the last cars ever produced by the Budd Company/Transit America. The older 2200 series cars were only taken out of service a few years ago, after a service life of 44 years. This is all I think of when people tell me transit is too expensive to build out. It's apparently much smarter to spend $1b every few years on massive road rebuilding projects than buying train cars that last for half a century.
@@saedimic Alstom, Siemens, Bombardier Transportation (parent is Canadian but that division is based in Germany), CAF, Stadler, Talgo, AnsaldoBreda (now Hitachi Rail Italy as of 2015) - all European and have built rail equipment for the US.
Buddy the metallurgy in this has quite a few errors. Cast iron has ~ the same amount of impurities (we're talking silicon really) in it as wrought, and historically steel could have similar amounts as well. You see a range of purity in all those materials. Weapons or tools don't need to be explicitly high quality to have steel in them, as you basically can't get a functional chisel or sword or pickaxe without steel. Cast iron is not made at a finery forge, and pig iron *is* a type of cast iron, just in ingot form. High carbon steel also has a *higher* tensile yield strength than a mild steel or wrought iron with only a slightly lower modulus of elasticity. That's why suspension cables are made of medium - high carbon steel. It's only when you harden HC steel through quenching that it becomes brittle. Mild steel is used because it's significantly cheaper and good enough for the parts it's used in. I'm thinking of plain carbon steels here just to make things easy because stuff like A36 is so inconsistent that it's hard to speak about its properties in general terms, and there is such a range of spring and tool steels that their properties are also too varied.
I love hearing you “rambling through history” (aka “rumbling through history”)! No objection at all to any aspect of your “poor pacing”! I did have some trouble with your accent. I was puzzled by what “rot iron” was, until you put “wrought iron” on the screen and the penny dropped. In my Australian accent “rot” and “wrought” each have completely different vowels. But even this aspect of your video was intellectually engaging because I realised I had identified an instance of the linguistically famous “cot-caught merger” (see Wikipedia if you are interested). It was worth hanging around just to hear you laconically mention, “You know, 6 turnin’, 4 burnin’.” I had never heard of this aircraft! Anyway, good stuff!
Yeah the Peacemaker was a real piece of work at times, it often enough did more burning then turnin if you know what i mean, it was also the one that lost nuclear ordinance somewhere in British Columbia in the 1950's.
@@ChrisGlenski OK, thanks. I just simplistically thought of this as uniformly "American English". I have trouble distinguishing a Canadian accent from a US one, and have no clue what a Minnesota accent sounds like.
Comeng was privatized by the John Howard government in the 1990s, its Melbourne facilities where it manufactured trains and locomotives and trams are now owned by Bombadier. They make a variety of trains for the domestic market - but it basically locks in local sourcing and therefore jobs to Bombadier designs, anything else has to be purchased abroad.
When I was 10 my parents and I did the grueling 2.5 day trip from Chicago to San Fransisco and took it back. Those Dome Cars are the only thing that kept the passengers from murder. Really brought me back seeing them again.
Dude. I could listen to you read the phone book and be happy. Your voice is like warm honey on a subwoofer speaker cone. ...that metaphor got away from me but I think you got the idea anyhow.
They did have to add some wrought iron straps to Iron Bridge at some point. But I'm so happy that not only the first metal bridge is still in existence, it's absolutely gorgeous to boot.
The FRA only adopted the 800k rule because of lobbying from Bombardier as their LRC coach design was the only one that met the standard. This allowed them to win the Amtrak Acela Express contract and the LIRR/MNRR M7 contracts. I don't mind it because it keeps European designs out of the market as they have a long history of being unable to cope with the demands of the North American rail environment.
I would love to see a video about Japanese trains. I tend to watch your videos on my commute in Tokyo and it always makes me think, I know practically nothing about these things I ride every day.
i love the approach of going through all of history leading up to the production of these cars; came for an explanation of what specifically a dome car is, stayed for the history of steel
Y'know, I used to always wonder what the deal was with the Zephyr trainsets. From a modern perspective they didn't seem overly remarkable. This really helped me understand.
After Budd closed the automobile parts division ( they did a lot of second run parts for Ford) a lot of what was in the plant was shipped to Buffalo. I remember getting semi trucks full of welders and everything from the cafeteria ( dishes, flatware, stainless steel prep tables). It seemed like we got everything but the big industrial machines. I have 2 bullhorns and a few 2 way radios that have “Property of Budd” On them.
Best thing about this: Back when I was a kid one of the few hobbies my dad and I had in common was building HO scale railroad layouts, doing all the landscaping and modeling, etc. One of the few really nice car sets we had was this exact one! As soon as I saw those models I got hit with a massive wave of totally unexpected memories. I swear I can feel the weight and texture of the model in my hand. I cannot thank you enough for the joy you gave me today with this video 💜
18:07 Because when I think of telescoping.. I always immediately think of this infamous image of the telescoped Central Railroad of New Jersey coaches from the Mud Run Disaster of 1888.
I spent a lot of time Conducting & Brakeman on both a Budd Big Dome and partial converted Pullman Car Dome. The Big Dome did NOT feel 60 years old. All the original stuff was in great shape. It felt it shoulda been on the mainline going 80+mph and we were a twisty uphill 5-10 mph logging/fruit railroad with great views. The other partial done , I personally ripped 3 of the 4 side grab handles sorta loose while switching on the converted sheeted Pullman. Repairs involved crudely cutting out stainless in search of solid mounts. We also did a pretty good job in sealing the dome. I spent way too long polishing the water scale outside/inside of the dome windows. I’m glad I discovered your channel through “there’s your problem”
Blast furnaces were actually developed far earlier, possibly as fas back as the 4th century BCE. There are records of large monsoon wind powered furnaces in South India from before 300BCE. Infact when Alexander the Great went to India, he took tribute in form of high quality steel in form of weapons & armour when he couldn't get gold or silver. Check wootz steel & Damascus steel for details.
donoteat01: explaining the difference between steel, cast iron, and wrought iron me, who failed chemistry and understands nothing: omg spill the tea babe
I'm not sure if anyone clarified this yet, but the only remaining Budd Car in service with VIA Rail is in Northern Ontario. You can see a few videos of it on my channel!
One correction to meake in this video is that the New York Central achieved the M-497 record in Crestline. The Central did have a mainline through Crestline, but the speed record was on the LS&MS/Water Level Route, on a 67-mile long straight section between Butler, IN and Stryker, OH. Fantastic video as usual, just me being nitpciky, lol.
You are consistently one of my absolute favorite youtube channels. I can't think of anybody else who is so consistently well researched, knowledgeable, and such high quality content. I always get excited when I see a new video!
loved the straight delivery of blast furnace history over minecraft footage of a furnace burning your house down with zombies outside but don't you mean malleability when you discuss bending, whereas ductility would be the ability to draw it out into a wire?
When I saw the first Tay Bridge appear on my screen there I about shat a brick. I'm from Dundee and at my first year of uni (for a software engineering degree) we spent a semester going over the engineering principles learned from that disaster. I know far too much about that whole incident. If you're ever in the area, hmu, we can get a pint and talk bridges hehe
Fun fact about the Bridge of Tay was that it was a subject of a poem by William McGonagall; a guy widely considered to be the worst poet of all time. McGonagall was truly the Tommy Wiseau of his era, capable of passionately producing incredible works of incompetence, which people would enjoy ironically and then hire him to attend readings, so that they could laugh their asses off at his sincere attempts to inspire. "The Tay Bridge Disaster" is perhaps his best known: www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45828/the-tay-bridge-disaster
Please never make your videos shorter. I love that you dive so deeply into things, it’s what makes your channel so great and what sets you apart from a whole bunch of informational channels that upload underwhelming surface level content.
This is the first video that introduced me to this channel. I don't know if it's from TH-cam recommendations or some other train channel giving this video a shout out?
I don't get though, how Bombardier as a Canadian Business should not have free Market Access to US-Railcar Procurement under NAFTA Free Trade Agreement. I get that the Bulk of their Train Business is Europe and he probably thus lumped them in under the european Manufacturers, but isn't the Company as such Canadian?
@@1121494 I didn't actually look into it when commenting since I thought also Bombardier is European company. According to wikipedia Bombardier Transportation is the train manufacturer part of and its HQ is based in Berlin, while most of the manufacturing facilities are in Europe. While they are wholly owned by Bombardier Inc, from social/national point of view its not quite same thing to collect profits from subsidiary facilities, than to collect those profits and having the manufacturing plants in same country/continent. While profits are going over the ocean, the jobs are staying in local facilities.
anindra pratama And if you looked closely (before the recent renovations), you could see small plaques on Sorefame's trains saying "Built under license from the BUDD Company"
Recently found your channel. No complaints about this episode. Also it turns out I've been using some of your Transport Fever assets so I'll try to sling you some dollars soon. Meanwhile I'm telling all my nerds to check you out. Thanks for all the hard work!
Gotta object: if you don't have high speed signalling you cant do high speed operations, it is simply dangerous. But this is the thing about Americas lack of railway investment, rather than provide that signalling the FRA left it up to operators. Same goes for the train weights. You either fix the railways or you make the trains tougher.
Victoria Australia still has steel body railway cars in service on regional railways, they were originally built for Melbournes commuter service and were electric in 1954 but in the 1980s were retired from that and converted for locomotives to haul. They had another round of renovations in the 2010s. They are still going strong despite their years due to the steel body I guess.
The discussion around 35 minutes about being too good will come to automobiles soon. As in now. The average age of cars in use is only going up. If cars last longer, fewer new cars will be needed.
Yes, hence them all chasing trends and trying to play it safe with designs. Then you have stuff like Ford pulling out of almost all cars in favour of crossovers and trucks, claiming consumers don't want four-door sedans in North America. No... people want them (Accord, Camry, etc) they just don't want YOURS.
Great info and presentation. Really nice intro/backstory/prehistory on your video’s. Very impressive and informative in easy listening manor. Please keep on keeping on.
I would LOVE to see a history of Canadian Railways, spent alot of time on them, lived next to em... know absolutely nothing other than VIA, Go, and Bombardier.
Do you think it's fair to blame budd's superior product for their demise? Have their competitors fared better? Pullman-Standard, Rohr Industries, and the St. Louis Car Company have all either left the market or gone out of business. ACF's not making passenger stuff either.
As a power engineer I look forward to some sort of... Ben Shapiro Doesnt Understand Electric Transmission and Distribution video, I hope. Or at least a clickbait review of the wholly inadequate electrical systems used in various city builder sims
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Embarrassing :P - I had hoped he would edit that out. I was asking because I was working on a revision to match the domes. I had no idea he was recording lol XD
@@NCXDesigns boy I really hope someone got fired for that blunder
@@Quamikaze *peeks out from dumpster*
I could listen to donoteat01 do an 80 hour reading of Tolstoy's War and Peace as long as there's a powerpoint and Minecraft gameplay in the background
The minecraft gameplay bit is the cherry on the cream.
M Y L E F T Y T R A I N D A D
He sounds like Mr. Plinkett’s better educated brother.
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I'll be honest, I saw "The Budd Company" and assumed it was a video about some Elon Musk scheme to get into the Weed market.
That's some shit Elon would do, let's be honest.
thanks to this video I will be upping my pateron from $2 at month to $50,000 a month to help donoteat buy a train
that gong underneath "...Springfield, Massachusetts" *absolutely* destroyed me, oh my lord
I would actually like to hear what Dennis Prager has to say about Bud making such good cars that they invented themselves out of business
"Rusty trains means making profit,
making profit means being rewarded by the magical hand of the free market,
therefore rusty trains are *morally good* .
That was Dennis Prager, defending of planned obsolescence, for Prager uNiVeRsiTy."
@@onivlasbrony7432 If its good for the shareholders, its good for society
@@XX-lp3oi The wonders of Trickle Down Economics !
They needed to expand. There are whole cities and regions in the USA with little to no public transportation infrastructure: LA, Houston, Dallas, etc - prime markets for regional and interurban trains, commuter trains, metro trains, and streetcars/lightrail.
@@kentallard8852 LA has more rail than you might be giving it credit for, and has a lot more under construction, or eventually being constructed. Granted, there could and should still be more, but LA isn't completely devoid of public transit. San Diego on the other hand, could use A LOT more rail
See's donoteat01 video: "Aw yesss"
See's 48 minute length: "AW. HELL. YESSSSS"
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"All the passengers drowned, and that's not very good..."
10/10, would learn about the vagaries of u.s. passenger rail while taking a bath again, highly recommend
Hearing Justin learn about the Penn Central jet scandal for the first time is a fun historical artifact.
I can't wait to tell the Ayn Rand fans, that an innovative railroad manufacturing company went down because the market forces discourge long term innovation and planning.
All companies discourage long term innovation and planning, which is why the state is responsible for most important innovations
@@nohbuddy1 Yeah, thats true, but this guy is basically what would happen to the protagonist of atlas shrugged in real life and that's funny
@Pentode7591 For a private Company to have the means and the foresight to develop nuclear energy, it'll basically have to be the size of a State. Apply the same reasoning to "space age science", or to anything related to sanitation and healthcare.
@@Tasurincci Are you okay? Most of our current "space-age" innovation is being done by private entities, with some government help, but there are tons of companies interested in space travel and utilization. All modern computer science and AI research is done in the private sector. You have to face it that there are only two things that make someone invent new things and that's money and power, the government wants technology to beat the other guy and companies want technology to make more money or save money. Also communism sucks, it has and never will succeed because of greed and power hunger people(which is also the reason that capitalism can suck at times too).
@@mortemmalum7228 the trailblazers of all that technology were the US military, Nasa the Raf, British intelligence, and other Nacional bodies who issued the requirements and the funding, microchips, metametarials, lithography, rocketscience, nuclear energy, even nowdays private space agencies / aerospace depend on public contracts.
dude, I'm happy to listen to you talk about any of your areas of interest, honestly. franklin episodes are nice but this is just as good imo.
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I was gonna go to sleep, but I can stay awake to watch donoteat any time
I knew that Minecraft house would catch fire! I'm so proud... of my Minecraft fire spreading knowledge...
I’m not even into Transport Fever nor a big train nerd, but this is so fascinating. The history and importance that this company had is amazing.
You've gotten me all pumped about locomotives and infrastructure and I have nothing to out this newfound passion towards. Help, what do I do with this train excitement
t r a i n b a s e d c o m m u n i s m
become a NUMTOT on facebook
buy models and construct the ideal railroad world run by the proletariat =)
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Go fistfight the director of your local transit authority
(do not do this)
I really do want more trains. This passed summer I found myself in upstate New York working with the Boy Scouts, I did not drive myself there; rather my uncle dropped me off and then went on a tour of New England by himself since he was there and never been to the North East. To fast-forward, through things outside of my control the initial plans to catch a ride back with a friend who was also working at the same camp (and who in fact clued me into the fact to work there was even an option) I ended up taking the train. That was perhaps the easiest and comfiest thing I ever did travel wise.
It's the sort of thing that's made the idea of rail more visceral since starting to watch the channel and I've started wondering what might be done with rail in my area to improve the travel experience, or even the parking experience in town since in the evening it's impossible to find a parking space in town and I'm starting to wonder if the down-town railway could be re-purposed as a passenger light rail to help bring people in and out of town because fuck them and especially fuck their cars. Go get drunk at the brewery and go home via train, let up the pressure on the roads a bit.
“communism is really just education” -Dennis Prager, apparently
The RDC design is probably one of the most influential designs in global modern rail history, given how many were licensed and exported globally as well as derivative designs countries either ordered/licensed or built themselves. Sadly, all the ones in my part of Australia were scrapped at the same time as a local design intended to replace them. However, there are elements of Budd design in various designs created by Comeng and Tulloch (the one that designed those double deck carriages you may or may not have read about as an oddity some time).
To this day, there are strong limitations on what components can be used in trains here and while other nations have moved on to mostly aluminium construction, carriages are still stainless steel tanks in true Budd fashion.
If you ever get enough patreon rubles to visit, maybe a tour of some 'Sputniks' is in order?
Budd also made the "Mezzanine" cars used on Chicago's Metra commuter rail system. While the design of these cars was passed along to other manufacturers for orders made after 1987, there are still plenty of original Budd built Mezzanines in service.
The 2600 series cars on the CTA are also still in use, for at least another year or so until the CRRC Sifang America 7000s are put into service on the Blue Line. Car 3200 was the last car of that series, and one of the last cars ever produced by the Budd Company/Transit America.
The older 2200 series cars were only taken out of service a few years ago, after a service life of 44 years. This is all I think of when people tell me transit is too expensive to build out. It's apparently much smarter to spend $1b every few years on massive road rebuilding projects than buying train cars that last for half a century.
The Esquimalt--Nanaimo Railway (CPR) still uses the Budd self-propelled passenger coach.
Best channel on youtube 10/10
"Protectionism: It works, folks." I know this jagoff named Donny who could stand to have this explained to him.
I'm just curious why the european flag was there. Isnt china/asian countries more of a competitor?
@@saedimic Alstom, Siemens, Bombardier Transportation (parent is Canadian but that division is based in Germany), CAF, Stadler, Talgo, AnsaldoBreda (now Hitachi Rail Italy as of 2015) - all European and have built rail equipment for the US.
Buddy the metallurgy in this has quite a few errors. Cast iron has ~ the same amount of impurities (we're talking silicon really) in it as wrought, and historically steel could have similar amounts as well. You see a range of purity in all those materials. Weapons or tools don't need to be explicitly high quality to have steel in them, as you basically can't get a functional chisel or sword or pickaxe without steel. Cast iron is not made at a finery forge, and pig iron *is* a type of cast iron, just in ingot form. High carbon steel also has a *higher* tensile yield strength than a mild steel or wrought iron with only a slightly lower modulus of elasticity. That's why suspension cables are made of medium - high carbon steel. It's only when you harden HC steel through quenching that it becomes brittle. Mild steel is used because it's significantly cheaper and good enough for the parts it's used in. I'm thinking of plain carbon steels here just to make things easy because stuff like A36 is so inconsistent that it's hard to speak about its properties in general terms, and there is such a range of spring and tool steels that their properties are also too varied.
I love hearing you “rambling through history” (aka “rumbling through history”)! No objection at all to any aspect of your “poor pacing”!
I did have some trouble with your accent. I was puzzled by what “rot iron” was, until you put “wrought iron” on the screen and the penny dropped. In my Australian accent “rot” and “wrought” each have completely different vowels.
But even this aspect of your video was intellectually engaging because I realised I had identified an instance of the linguistically famous “cot-caught merger” (see Wikipedia if you are interested).
It was worth hanging around just to hear you laconically mention, “You know, 6 turnin’, 4 burnin’.” I had never heard of this aircraft!
Anyway, good stuff!
Yeah the Peacemaker was a real piece of work at times, it often enough did more burning then turnin if you know what i mean, it was also the one that lost nuclear ordinance somewhere in British Columbia in the 1950's.
James Atlas interestingly I grew up in Minnesota and I have them as two different vowels sounds as well.
@@ChrisGlenski OK, thanks. I just simplistically thought of this as uniformly "American English". I have trouble distinguishing a Canadian accent from a US one, and have no clue what a Minnesota accent sounds like.
The cot-caught merger varies widely across the US, actually, and sometimes has very little correlation with the region a speaker is from
Comeng was privatized by the John Howard government in the 1990s, its Melbourne facilities where it manufactured trains and locomotives and trams are now owned by Bombadier. They make a variety of trains for the domestic market - but it basically locks in local sourcing and therefore jobs to Bombadier designs, anything else has to be purchased abroad.
it's always weird when someone mentions springfield considering even people in the state dont give a shit about us
We should be throwing highways and big dump pickup trucks in the drink to make some artificial reefs.
When I was 10 my parents and I did the grueling 2.5 day trip from Chicago to San Fransisco and took it back. Those Dome Cars are the only thing that kept the passengers from murder. Really brought me back seeing them again.
Dude. I could listen to you read the phone book and be happy. Your voice is like warm honey on a subwoofer speaker cone. ...that metaphor got away from me but I think you got the idea anyhow.
how many speakers have you destroyed?
@@RoamingAdhocrat Probably all of them, since they didn't hear your reply notification.
They did have to add some wrought iron straps to Iron Bridge at some point. But I'm so happy that not only the first metal bridge is still in existence, it's absolutely gorgeous to boot.
The FRA only adopted the 800k rule because of lobbying from Bombardier as their LRC coach design was the only one that met the standard. This allowed them to win the Amtrak Acela Express contract and the LIRR/MNRR M7 contracts.
I don't mind it because it keeps European designs out of the market as they have a long history of being unable to cope with the demands of the North American rail environment.
I would love to see a video about Japanese trains. I tend to watch your videos on my commute in Tokyo and it always makes me think, I know practically nothing about these things I ride every day.
I would so love to hear a review of the series Chernobyl from you.
i love the approach of going through all of history leading up to the production of these cars; came for an explanation of what specifically a dome car is, stayed for the history of steel
Y'know, I used to always wonder what the deal was with the Zephyr trainsets. From a modern perspective they didn't seem overly remarkable. This really helped me understand.
After Budd closed the automobile parts division ( they did a lot of second run parts for Ford) a lot of what was in the plant was shipped to Buffalo. I remember getting semi trucks full of welders and everything from the cafeteria ( dishes, flatware, stainless steel prep tables). It seemed like we got everything but the big industrial machines. I have 2 bullhorns and a few 2 way radios that have “Property of Budd” On them.
Best thing about this: Back when I was a kid one of the few hobbies my dad and I had in common was building HO scale railroad layouts, doing all the landscaping and modeling, etc. One of the few really nice car sets we had was this exact one! As soon as I saw those models I got hit with a massive wave of totally unexpected memories. I swear I can feel the weight and texture of the model in my hand. I cannot thank you enough for the joy you gave me today with this video 💜
18:07 Because when I think of telescoping.. I always immediately think of this infamous image of the telescoped Central Railroad of New Jersey coaches from the Mud Run Disaster of 1888.
wait, this isn't a Well There's Your Problem podcast, I am disoriented and intrigued
is this a proto-WTYP? Did this all come from an interest in city builders and model railroading??
I spent a lot of time Conducting & Brakeman on both a Budd Big Dome and partial converted Pullman Car Dome.
The Big Dome did NOT feel 60 years old. All the original stuff was in great shape.
It felt it shoulda been on the mainline going 80+mph and we were a twisty uphill 5-10 mph logging/fruit railroad with great views.
The other partial done , I personally ripped 3 of the 4 side grab handles sorta loose while switching on the converted sheeted Pullman.
Repairs involved crudely cutting out stainless in search of solid mounts.
We also did a pretty good job in sealing the dome.
I spent way too long polishing the water scale outside/inside of the dome windows.
I’m glad I discovered your channel through “there’s your problem”
Blast furnaces were actually developed far earlier, possibly as fas back as the 4th century BCE.
There are records of large monsoon wind powered furnaces in South India from before 300BCE. Infact when Alexander the Great went to India, he took tribute in form of high quality steel in form of weapons & armour when he couldn't get gold or silver.
Check wootz steel & Damascus steel for details.
Thank you for the new video!
donoteat01: explaining the difference between steel, cast iron, and wrought iron
me, who failed chemistry and understands nothing: omg spill the tea babe
I'm not sure if anyone clarified this yet, but the only remaining Budd Car in service with VIA Rail is in Northern Ontario. You can see a few videos of it on my channel!
as someone not from America I do admire your videos and your ideas. cheers.
One correction to meake in this video is that the New York Central achieved the M-497 record in Crestline.
The Central did have a mainline through Crestline, but the speed record was on the LS&MS/Water Level Route, on a 67-mile long straight section between Butler, IN and Stryker, OH.
Fantastic video as usual, just me being nitpciky, lol.
I don't know anything about trains, but I've always thought these Pennsylvania cars 11:53 were some of the most beautiful railcars ever built.
Amazing video
You are consistently one of my absolute favorite youtube channels. I can't think of anybody else who is so consistently well researched, knowledgeable, and such high quality content. I always get excited when I see a new video!
this is so different without alice interupting every second.
loved the straight delivery of blast furnace history over minecraft footage of a furnace burning your house down with zombies outside
but don't you mean malleability when you discuss bending, whereas ductility would be the ability to draw it out into a wire?
When i hear INOX, i think of French Stainless Steel Passenger Cars used on TEE
Such beautiful train cars
i find fascinating that 1907 designs with concrete floors were still operating 70+ years later in the US of A. it sounds insane to me.
I want you to have your own NPR segment
Broke: Car Talk
Woke: Train Talk
When I saw the first Tay Bridge appear on my screen there I about shat a brick. I'm from Dundee and at my first year of uni (for a software engineering degree) we spent a semester going over the engineering principles learned from that disaster. I know far too much about that whole incident. If you're ever in the area, hmu, we can get a pint and talk bridges hehe
Thus burnt down Zarathustra's home
Every video you upload is a blessing.
I wish I had more spare cash to send you but family has fallen on hard times.
i love learning about trains
You deserve 100x the views you are getting right now. Good job!
Bonus that this interesting topic is captivatingly presented..honourably noble tribute 🍸
Loved your video! Now I want to hear more about the Budd company!
Thank god I stayed awake all night
Fun fact about the Bridge of Tay was that it was a subject of a poem by William McGonagall; a guy widely considered to be the worst poet of all time. McGonagall was truly the Tommy Wiseau of his era, capable of passionately producing incredible works of incompetence, which people would enjoy ironically and then hire him to attend readings, so that they could laugh their asses off at his sincere attempts to inspire. "The Tay Bridge Disaster" is perhaps his best known: www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45828/the-tay-bridge-disaster
The RDC runs on the sudbury-White river line in Ontario thrice weekly.
Please never make your videos shorter. I love that you dive so deeply into things, it’s what makes your channel so great and what sets you apart from a whole bunch of informational channels that upload underwhelming surface level content.
This cohost is so much better.
This is the first video that introduced me to this channel. I don't know if it's from TH-cam recommendations or some other train channel giving this video a shout out?
Justin: I would like to make a short video about some neat rail cars.
Also Justin: So starting in the Bronze Age....
Well, thanks for your train dollars America! To annoy you further, we are using it for free healthcare here in Europe.
I don't get though, how Bombardier as a Canadian Business should not have free Market Access to US-Railcar Procurement under NAFTA Free Trade Agreement.
I get that the Bulk of their Train Business is Europe and he probably thus lumped them in under the european Manufacturers, but isn't the Company as such Canadian?
@@1121494 I didn't actually look into it when commenting since I thought also Bombardier is European company. According to wikipedia Bombardier Transportation is the train manufacturer part of and its HQ is based in Berlin, while most of the manufacturing facilities are in Europe. While they are wholly owned by Bombardier Inc, from social/national point of view its not quite same thing to collect profits from subsidiary facilities, than to collect those profits and having the manufacturing plants in same country/continent. While profits are going over the ocean, the jobs are staying in local facilities.
I have an urge.
An urge for metal-urgey.
Wait, what?
There’s also Soreframe, a Portuguese rail manufacturer.
they made Stainless steel passenger cars and even stainless steel electric locos
anindra pratama And if you looked closely (before the recent renovations), you could see small plaques on Sorefame's trains saying "Built under license from the BUDD Company"
Recently found your channel. No complaints about this episode. Also it turns out I've been using some of your Transport Fever assets so I'll try to sling you some dollars soon. Meanwhile I'm telling all my nerds to check you out. Thanks for all the hard work!
I’m loving these videos and I can’t wait for more of the podcast.
I’ve long wondered why trains are so much heavier than, say, buses, which seems inefficient. This answered that question, even tho the answer is dumb.
Speaking of the Budd company, I will miss the R-32 cars when the MTA replaces them in the near future.
Gotta object: if you don't have high speed signalling you cant do high speed operations, it is simply dangerous. But this is the thing about Americas lack of railway investment, rather than provide that signalling the FRA left it up to operators. Same goes for the train weights. You either fix the railways or you make the trains tougher.
Victoria Australia still has steel body railway cars in service on regional railways, they were originally built for Melbournes commuter service and were electric in 1954 but in the 1980s were retired from that and converted for locomotives to haul. They had another round of renovations in the 2010s. They are still going strong despite their years due to the steel body I guess.
VIA also has the largest fleet of dome cars still running
RhesusForBreakfast I heard of them, never see them whenever I’m driving pass the rails up here
@@abandonedchannel281 Yeah cause most routes get like 3 trains a week lol.
The discussion around 35 minutes about being too good will come to automobiles soon. As in now. The average age of cars in use is only going up. If cars last longer, fewer new cars will be needed.
Yes, hence them all chasing trends and trying to play it safe with designs. Then you have stuff like Ford pulling out of almost all cars in favour of crossovers and trucks, claiming consumers don't want four-door sedans in North America. No... people want them (Accord, Camry, etc) they just don't want YOURS.
Great info and presentation. Really nice intro/backstory/prehistory on your video’s. Very impressive and informative in easy listening manor. Please keep on keeping on.
Bigger than before.
Good old capitalism: the only profitable product is one that's as inefficient (as a product) as possible
27:27 - I think there are some Budd-built cars running on PATCO (Philadelphia-New Jersey) in service since 1969 and 1980 (rebuilt).
25:43 foreshadowing
Great video bro
You do this sort of long-form content really well!
I don't mind the rambling train grandpa.
(who is actually in his 20s)
(I know I couldn't believe it either)
If you ever want to take a train with a Budd dome car, they are still in use on VIA Rail's "The Canadian" train.
Regardless of your instructions, iwilleat anyway.
I came here to be mad about not having a Franklin episode. I stayed because trains.
I do love a good ramble!
The part of penn Station by the A/C/E and Amtrak is slightly less awful looking
I would LOVE to see a history of Canadian Railways, spent alot of time on them, lived next to em... know absolutely nothing other than VIA, Go, and Bombardier.
Oh hey the new orange line trains
So cool to hear you on trashfuture!
Really interesting, I would not mind more of these kinda videos :)
Do you think it's fair to blame budd's superior product for their demise? Have their competitors fared better? Pullman-Standard, Rohr Industries, and the St. Louis Car Company have all either left the market or gone out of business. ACF's not making passenger stuff either.
As a power engineer I look forward to some sort of... Ben Shapiro Doesnt Understand Electric Transmission and Distribution video, I hope. Or at least a clickbait review of the wholly inadequate electrical systems used in various city builder sims