I'm a Musk fan, but also a donoteat fan. I approve of this video. I know The Loop won't work, just like Teslas will never be "affordable for all", but the advancement in the tech is what matters. Not many organizations are pouring billions in to advancing boring, EV or autonomous vehicle tech.
@@LastMohecan can you honestly name one "advancement" in tech Tesla or even space x for that matter have actually accomplished? Everything they're doing has both been done before and better. The only advancement either has accomplished at all is the ability to frequently take credit for things that were already developed and tested acting as if they're new tech and selling the idea to gullible people. And you're probably going to shoot back with the rocket tech with the barges and everything from space x but NASA did it ten years before along with everything else but didn't keep using the rockets because of better alternatives. Tesla's battery's are bought from other companies etc. Nothing is theirs. Neither has done has helped the base advancement of the tech so that's an awful reason to support him.
@@macelankly1440 SpaceX rockets are using cold war technology for their rocket engines, for god's sake. Musk is an absolute fraud trying to reinvent the wheel. Only the wheel is square and made of radioactive plutonium.
@@macelankly1440 I guess you didn't read what I said. I said advanced, not invent. Do you honestly believe the major car companies would be working on EVs as much as they are now if someone, anyone, it didn't have to be Musk, didn't light a fire under their asses? GM and Nissan have both publicly said that they have had to step up their game because of the popularity of Tesla. They both had the tech, but no motivation to do it. How many small startups are getting funding now because everyone wants to invest in the next Tesla? Statups that might actually make a real difference one day. Steve jobs was in a no way a good person and didn't invent anything useful, but he did make the smartphone mainstream. I never said I am a follower of Musk, I said fan. I see through bull💩, but I can appreciate the pros that come from a situation instead of being a blind follower and jumping on a hate train or a worshipper. If the people he employs come up with a much more efficient way to make tunnels, then that might end up making subways or other underground infastructurs more accessable.
You have the exact tone of voice of a contractor patiently explaining to homeowner why their new addition will cost 10x what they expect and take three times as long.
The Loop isn't meant to replace metro lines. It's meant to be another tool to reduce car ownership like scooters, busses, trains. We can never have too many tools in the box.
@@ViciousVinnyD We do, but they don't always work. Singapore has one of Asia's most dependable public transport systems. Most of the country is within a 10 minute walk to a bus or train station. One can take the train from coast to coast in an hour. Cars are prohibitively expensive. A Corolla here costs about $90K. Despite all that, we have still have an overabundance of cars. Average speeds on expressways are around 50-60 km/h during peak periods, and that's if you're lucky. We have so many cars even though we have practical, cheap and safe transportation because people are irrational. People would rather go into debt, pay hundreds of thousands of dollars, so they wouldn't have to suffer "uncool" public transport or stand on the bus. I believe Loop's more comfortable and private style of public transport would get these people off cars and into something else. In a perfect world, we would all see the greater good and forgo cars. We don't live in a perfect world. Sometimes, we need to market to people's irrationality.
@@ViciousVinnyD i personally will never travel with bus or train anymore after i got my first car....maybe the fact that im anti-social and hate being around other people has something to do with it...you never know...
this sounds super dumb but this video literally changed my life. Since I first watched it in May of 2020, I reevaluated my thoughts on Elon Musk and public transit. Then I listened to a lot of Well There's Your Problem, and after that I found channels like Not Just Bikes and City Nerd. Now I'm entering college as a Geography and Urban Planning major. It's not all thanks to this video, but if I had never watched it I'm not sure that I would have ever discovered my passion for public transit and community planning.
it's good seeing that number of people actually competent in the field is increasing. Sadly, billionaire frat bois are still gonna have a bigger say in the issue, I reckon
Amazing! Whenever you are in the world I hope to see more and more people interested in urban planning, public transport and accessible cities, sustainability and I hope we all work together for greener cities and end the car industry. We're still going to need cars but those should be reserved for appropriate situations, not for short unnecessary trips like we do today. Netherlands, France and lots of cities are working towards it, Europe is big advocate along with some countries in Asia and I hope we all strive to improve that further.
The lengths people will go just so they don't have to admit removing all urban/regional rail infrastructure was a mistake and that trains just work better.
@@TheScotsalan i'm a time traveler and i can tell you ELON MUSK will be found to be a stable genius , like a really smart guy and has a big brain and test will be done and ELON MUSK will found to be DONALD TRUMP love child !
Yeah, that's tragic. Elon rises above adversity... Did you know it was 109 degrees in the Sonoran Desert today? Wonder how many would-be EMs died there today...
I could easily imagine Trump trying to explain this very idea in opposition to just investing in repairing infrastructure across America. lol It just gets dumber the more detail you get into
@@user42404 Maybe start funding them then? Countries with people that care about it throw money at it, and it can be excellent. But theyre too few and far between for 2020.
Ummmm.... are u serious???? caring about poor, regular folk is very boring and gross, isn’t even shiny or cool. Tech frat boy make space ship, all problem gone, also shiny and cool
It's not really Elon Musk's job to make sure poor people have reliable transport. It seems the wealthier someone gets the more responsible an average person holds them for fixing problems in their life.
What else do you expect when the government gives billionaires free money to do it? Not only does the Loop get funding from the federal government but so does Tesla. So the two most central components of Musk's train project aren't actually financed by him.
My favourite bit is that his fans seem to think of this as progress ? When its literally keeping a n inneffiencient and archaic form of transport desperatelly while actively damaging its own integrity with it. It's as anti-progress as you can get.
Wtf, if government funded Tesla, the company wouldn’t be that inefficient. Musk is the one who tries shit alone and none helps him, that’s why he has slow progress, or not at all. That case cannot be fitted in any conspiracy theory, contrary to Bezos who is actually one of those, who does shit for money, and nothing more.
You could improve the loop's reliability a lot if you only used the pods so you don't have to carry an entire car with you. And even more if you expand the pods into larger "blocks" with lots of people on them. You could even connect a bunch of them together and move the motive power into one big unit at the front. Let's call this system a "blockchain". Now, since you're only using these blockchains, you could replace the road wheels with their rubber tires with steel wheels that run on steel tracks to reduce wear. Doesn't this sound like a good idea?
Wouldn't it be more efficient if you spread the motive power across all the blocks in the blockchain? Especially if we're underground and electrified already, there's no need to have a whole block for motive power. You could have the electricity come in through a hot rail or an overhead cable too.
No it wouldn't, because if I was stuck in the tunnel with that car accident, I'd be dead. So instead, I'm just not going to get caught dead in one of those tunnels. ;)
what if there's a power outage? some component inside that tiny tube is broken and need fixed? some car blocked it and engieer will have to walk or just can't get there at all. and also oxygen? you will need some very strong tunnel ventilation. just a big waste of money for much less
just imagine having to get out of your car, using your phone's flashlight to walk along the track to try and find the exit only to wait for hours, your phone dies before the track is back running again. If you finally find the elevator you have to wait for hours for it to be fixed and to work.
I have to disagree on one point you make: The Schwebebahn (suspended rail) in Wuppertal isnt just suspended for the sake of not being a train, but for geographic reasons. the "tal" in Wuppertal translates to valley, which is exactly what the city is located in. The suspended railway was the best option, as they could only build the tracks above the Wupper (in the center of the valley), which is the river going through the city. It was much easier and cheaper to build these suspended single rail tracks instead of regular tracks on a bridge there. So it isn't a "gadgetbahn".
@Mr.ManMakesLotsOfCan but he arrived America with no money. He started his first company with nothing. He gradually became richer. After Zip2 was sold, he earned 22 million. Paypal->180 million. Now his Tesla + SpaceX shares makes him worth 20 billion. Saying he isn't self made is completely BS.
Not really. www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/bundesrechnungshof-bahn-103.html www.nzz.ch/international/die-deutsche-regierung-kuemmert-sich-lieber-um-kuenstliche-intelligenz-als-um-eine-puenktliche-bahn-ld.1441904
@@flisk_ I am aware of that but in my mind I thought of Berlin and it's local public transit. It's amazing. You don't actually need a car and it's relatively cheap. The problems of DB at large are mainly caused by mismagement and no principle problem of mass public transport.
Imagine those trains, but with much higher speeds. Aka: high speed rail, an amazing and proven technology that keeps getting better. Oh wait, we have to come up with something different entirely. Don't get me wrong, I think Elon Musk did amazing stuff but the fact he doesn't personally work on hyperloop should tell you something.
Tech bro innovation: take an existing concept, turn it into a start-up, make the existing concept look way better by comparison. This includes: * The Loop: subways exist in many major cities including Boston, New York, and London. Plus there are trains and buses. * Co-Living: They're normally called "roommates."
Also, 1- Explain your business model, based around charging a premium for the service, make sure the ''user'' has no right to privacy, never owns the product he buys and think it's cool and disruptive, cause of some dumb synergetic riding concept 2- Take money from DARPA, vulture funds or better yet, tax money from fed/states/city grants... 2- use money until public project fails (train in Cali), 3- go sell overpriced cars and ungodly ugly trucks for fragile rich male egos, 4- make more money, 5- rinse, repeat: go try with another ''tech bro innovation'' that screws the vast majority of us, ego inflates exponentially
@@ericb.4313 ty, but without your brilliant original post, I would've never had the inspiration... Now I want to write one for Space X and one for Tesla proper... Similar turd sandwiches, but different condiments
What happens to the loop system when the road surface wears out? After all, if you run a shit ton of cars each hour at 150 MPH then your road is going to run at 3 times the rate of a normal road or worse. Think of what happens when the road surface starts to break up and ruts and pot holes in the surface. I can imagine resurfacing a road surface in a tiny tunnel will be a real joy.
True. I wonder how these tunnels are even permitted without the safety features of all other vehicle tunnels. What happens when a car inevitably crashed and the batteries burn? How do emergency vehicles respond or much less fit. It seems like the national safety regulations don't apply to musks schemes.
It's just so awful compared to a subway. It costs more, requires more tunnels and space, transports fewer people, has more moving components that are maintenance and reliability issues. Very much mirroring how the Hyperloop is really just a very impractical high speed train system that can't compete with already existing railways in countries like France and Japan. It's awful to see how many people fall for Musk's ridiculous promises that will perpetually remain "just three years away".
Elon has said this is NOT a replacement for any transportation system. It is an *additional* option. Its intention is to address the limitations of current road networks which are constrained to 2 dimensions so expansion can only occur sideways. Digging down enables virtually unlimited expansion. This is not a substitution for any other mode of transport.
"It's just so awful compared to a subway. It costs more,"Apparently you've never been to a subway you fucking moron, do you realize how much more a subway costs? Any government project is a mass money sink for one reason: government has that money to spend. Its not their money, its your money. They spend your money. And when they really need to spend your money, they whip out the money press.
Also, you then just have a ton of cars in the center of the cities, so it just moves the problem. A good public transportation network is the best solution.
@@SP-dj9kl I have no idea what to tell you if you seriously think this thing will be cheaper per person transported than a subway, which is just a giant single car that doesn't have to leave the tunnel via elevator.
You know... sure maybe the loop itself doesn't quite work, but I think he's onto something. Hear me out. So instead of individual tunnels that fit a single vehicle, you have wider tunnels that cost more to make but can support more than a single vehicle at a time. Then, maybe instead of using personal vehicles that have been modified, you use a standardised vehicle that's built specifically to use these tunnels.Then, you can make them like way bigger, so that you can have tens or maybe even like a hundred people on them all at once! And they have like a schedule for where they go and when, and you don't even need to own one yourself, you just pay a few dollars and can go anywhere in the city it's a subway, my joke is that it's a subway. Why did Elon want to do... this, when we already have a thing called a subway that works better than this ever would.
Even if the tunnels aren't wider, you could still fit a light rail rapid transit system in there (something like an automated people mover). Would have less capacity but still more than a car!
Its mentioned in the video that the tunnels are exactly the same size as the tube system in England. Maybe Elon is stealthily convincing a bunch of investors to accidentally fund the construction of a future public subway system?
Musk: "I'm going to build more roads. They're going to be more expensive than normal roads, but I'll fund them with taxpayer money." People: "What a genius!"
More people need to realise Musk is a rich kid drawing his ideas on paper with crayons. Then paying the actual experts to try and make his FM notions come to reality...
Crazy right? Amazing that a majority of cars only have one person in them at any given time. And a majority of elevators remain stationary in contrast. Could we give up the ridiculous comparisons?
@@hasanrize Imagine the law suits that that could cause. An open hole people could fall in, a car spinning out could fall in, the elevator failing, if there is no help button if it fails, etc. Yeah, let's not do that.
imagine paying for first clas-- You know what, Fuck that- Imagine paying for a private jet to charter you to your destination. you'll get to have your own tragedy waiting to happen at 40,000 feet while all those lucky saps are in economy class on a crowded passenger plane, boy they really have it made.
anonym (who has now changed their name to STAN KIM YO-JONG) funny, I’m pretty sure the world is run by capitalism. I don’t think it’s postmodernism that makes people receive stagnant wages and forces some people to be homeless because the market demands... demand. If everyone had a home, there’d be no demand.
@@jukebox_heroperson3994 If you're responding to me and saying i should forgive the starvation and exploitation that is rampant under capitalism, it's pretty absurd Most experts agree that the bare minimum to avoid starvation is about $4/day. Half the population makes less than that. Fun fact, half of the world's wealth is concentrated in the hands of 1% of its population Half the world is starving, and half the money is owned by 2400 people
@@dmanew I think you misunderstood what I said. But, I will indulge you on those points. One being that the majority of the starving are in socialist or communist countries(in Africa but not just there, Venezuela is a big one). In America, Europe ETC, Where capitalism has been embraced(excluding former USSR countries which are still sometimes poor). Capitalist countries tend to have a surplus of food! Also, stability breeds economic growth. And capitalism and democracy grant the most stable economies. In places like Venezuela, the state seizes and runs the formerly privately owned assets(badly).
"we're going to do this here without the antifeminist or anti-sjw baggage" = exactly what I'm desperately hoping to hear every time I watch a youtube channel for the first time. Thank you for relieving my anxiety early in the video.
Sometimes I ask myself why I care at all about male support, but I swear, any time I come across a comment like this, instead of the usual 'cant believe you defended femtards. unsubscribed.', it really makes me very happy. Thanks friend.
except he ended the video by saying "dont fall prey to Liberals mostly garbage ideology". Which is weird, because antifeminist and anti-sjw are the current right wing talking points. Any time a right winger goes against the same talking points, I just assume its a scam, which is what this probably is.
You know, the Schwebebahn is definitely not a 'gadgetbahn'. It's a solution that works only in Wuppertal, but it works very well there. The geography made a subway impossible, lack of space meant that an elevated system was necessary, preferably over the river. Whilst elevated railways would have been possible, the tight bends of the river (At the turning loops, the Schwebebahn's turning radius is less than that of a bus) would've meant that it would have been both slow and loud. It just so happened that a brilliant engineer one hour by train away from Wuppertal had built a prototype of a suspended monorail, which proved ideal for the city's geography. Due to Wuppertal's steel industry, building costs were no more than a normal railway,and as it was somewhat modular, assembly was quickly considered. The city grew around the Schwebebahn, and it's essential, to the point that it was restored to working order mere months after the end of WW2. It is not a conventional railway not because they didn't want one (there is in fact a line that passes Wuppertal, and both ends of the Schwebebahn connect to it), but because it was the best possible solution at the time, and more suited than any conventional system
Monorails can have a smaller ground footprint than elevated rail as you can generally get away with fewer pylons (though modern steel beam construction may mean this isn't true anymore). Plus the rail itself is often narrower and there's no need for a deck so you've got fewer issues around blocking natural light, clearances and creating dingy underpasses. I think that's why you tend to see them (outside of airports, theme parks and the odd university) in extremely crowded urban areas where putting in an elevated rail line would probably mean bulldozing a lot of buildings.
Don't you mean social liberal? But then I guess it depends what you mean by 'liberal' too. He's a capitalist, I know that for sure and that's what's eating us alive.
the mention of tire failure on these high-speed tunnel deathtraps put horrific images in my head. if in some fantasy universe where this idea is actually implemented and the working poor can afford entry...there would be accidents constantly because the working poor already can't afford to replace their tires even under normal driving conditions. i know too many people who are driving on bald and threading tires because their only alternative to affording tires is taking out payday loans. and yeah, they know it's fucking dangerous, but they don't have any other option because our city has zero public transit and their jobs are a 2-hour walk from home.
also something i've learned from these types of videos, you can add all the traffic lanes you want, but the best way to reduce traffic is to reduce the amount of vehicles on the road. more public transportation, less individual giant hunks of metal.
Then he took credit for PayPal while contributing basically nothing himself, made a bit of money that way, and bought out Tesla from under the founders' asses, threw them out and humiliated them, then proclaimed himself founder of Tesla. Been using it as a successful venture capital scam ever since.
Jacqueline A yeah the more you know the less he seems like the futuristic mega mind. I used to be so excited by his ideas to go to mars... not anymore.
@@ferablue1318 i used to look up to elon in someways and would even defend him in comment sections but now i realize he is just a thomas Edison who takes credit for ideas
So I'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but there's an amusing moment at 22:07. We'll call our driver Steve. Start at 22:03, and follow the vehicle crossing the northbound lanes over to the southbound ones. This would be Steve. Steve then tries to turn north on the southbound lanes, gets hit by another vehicle coming out of the western tunnel, and while that vehicle proceeds like nothing happened, Steve's disappears, and you can see him run from the site of the collision onto the sidewalk, then cross those exit lanes and proceed northward... This game is so ridiculous sometimes... lol
He ran onto sidewalk not because of collision - this game doesn't really have collisions, all cars are ghosts - but because shortest way to his destination was to "park" there (game has "pocket cars" meaning cims don't have to bother with parking, they just magically shapeshift into car and back) and then use sidewalk to reach destination. And yeah, the game is messed up, still fun though.
@@Ultrasemen, I think you missed that it was a joke about "Steve" being a horrible person who drives the wrong way in traffic and runs from the scene of the crime. lol
@@aloneill6337 it's often hard to understand who is joking and who is sincere, while in real life it is conveyed by non-verbal language, on the internet that's not possible, and even if original poster says it as a joke, explanation might still be useful for other people
The Wuppertaler Schwebebahn works to this day, because of the Topography of Wuppertal. It spans the Wupper, the River next to which Wuppertal is built. The Soil in Wuppertal is also very soft on very hard Rock, so tunneling it wasn't really an option.
Basically he *was* an anti-feminist for a good chunk of his early years, but then had a break with that community and hasn't really put out any material of that type since. His more recent videos are all debunking scam gimmicks and occasionally scientific research videos, and the worst that can really be said about them is that he tends to ramble and stretch (presumably to hit ad quotients?). He doesn't seem to express any significantly right-leaning viewpoints, he's in favor of clean power (when it's scientifically valid), opposed Brexit, and seems opposed to pretty much every right-leaning politician that comes up.
@@ryan_806 Yep he saw the writing on the wall and now has nothing to do with the "skeptics" that turned out to be "classical liberals" (white nationalists). He fell out with Sargon over Brexit and Trump nonsense.
So my mom sends me a lot of conspiracy theories. And they start off like this one did. And I honestly thought this was gonna be one of those. And it wasn't. And holy crap. This is the funniest and most interesting, boring videos I've ever watched. Also, I now want to play Minecraft
Yeah except split into smaller tunnels with some complex control system not shown, responsible for merging cars into them at high speed, as well as splitting them into various elevators and ramps. Tbh not a terrible idea but I'd really like to see that control system in work rather than images of cars going through tunnel. Also yeah, safety concerns, this thing is a death trap in case of fire
@@Ultrasemen It's all right, the "MDU" is getting one car through. Each collision will then create a "user story" allowing the developers to iterate to a safe solution.
This kind of system would be so much easier to build if it removed one component; the car. Oh wait, that already exists. Why bring your car into the city in a tunnel just to park it all day while you're in the office?
He's got what Elon Musk wants, but will never get: a bridge that's been functional for 150 years, engineered by himself, as part of his bigger project, that's been spurring the development of an entire region for one and a half centuries and reminds everyone of his brilliance: his name in big letters on the side.
Has anyone ever told you you sound EXACTLY like Justin Rosniak of the acclaimed podcast Well There's Your Problem, which is a podcast about engineering disasters? With slides?
i appreciate this as a video without the anti-sjw and anti-feminist baggage, gotta say. the mention that the beginning that that's your stated goal makes me very happy
Here in the Estonian Friedmanian Freemarket Republic, there were actual, serious, high level government discussions about, instead of a rail tunnel that would connect the Estonian and Finnish rail systems and therefore connect Finland, via rail, with the rest of the EU, they actually considered the HYPERLOOP pneumatic train-thingy. To the point that our Minister of Economic Affairs and Infrastructure went to L.A. for some gadgetbahn convention to meet the hyperloop people. I'm very much in the "JUST BUILD THE FUCKING TRAIN" already crowd, Rail Baltic will be awesome.
Only train allowed is Snowpiercer train with fair and balanced class system in place.
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There is also some Finn, who's good at "selling hot air" having his competing tunnel project. He claims that he can get his ready faster than the official bi-state run project. Well, I think that is possible, but would that be any good for us? I doubt. But Hyperloop? Seriously? That's as good as someone telling me to row a boat from Helsinki to Tallinn and giving me a bag of cash for doing so. Seriously waiting to get Rail Baltic and the tunnel expansion. As soon as possible please. Greetings from Finland
It's as if the regular private rail companies don't exist. Look no further than Austria in that regard. Privately run Westbahn beats state owned ÖBB in terms of prices on the lines it serves. And before you jump to the example of the UK and their rail privatisation, keep in mind that the way they sold British Rail led to formation of monopolies on specific routes. Instead of encouraging competition, the government effectively eliminated it.
It just blows my mind that we have something as cool as a goddamn subway, just a train system that moves constantly, operates underground, and people can get on and off wherever they want, and some folks still want to come up with stupid projects that are just the subway but worse
Fundamentally it comes down the the fact that subways are "dirty" and "poor people use them". The rich elite (in America at least) don't want to have to stand next to a bunch of dirty poor people underground. It's not like this is a problem in the Netherlands or other developed countries, where the rich and poor can mingle freely on public transit because their social class hasn't so completely divided society to the point of inventing fucking magic segregation transportation systems. We need a modernized, efficient, well-looked-after high-frequency subway which anybody would want to use, and pedestrianize more inner city streets so that bicycles, trams and busses can be used more.
The private sector is only concerned with profit. Well, that may be true but the private sector is also really good at getting things done, in other words it's where highly competent people are found who actually do things that government workers can't do themselves. Now let's take the public sector. Outside heir traditional roles in policing, firefighting and teaching, what is the public sector concerned with? Mainly pensions and how to fund them. As far as getting things done, it relies on the private sector through contractural arrangements. So what has been solved by putting public officials on top of private corporations that actually do the work?
It's retarded and completely misses the point. Public transit is NEVER going to fix the problem. Racial politics has emptied virtually every major (and even many minor) cities in America and grew the suburbs. Suburbs are completely unsuitable for PT. The cities are dangerous and mismanaged and mostly bankrupt. Even when there is minor success in bringing whites back into cities, there is endless bitching about gentrification. Funny enough, most of those neighborhoods are NOT historically black. Most have only been black since the post war period. Everything about the cities is shit and why people who can afford it don't want to live there. The schools are not only complete academic failures, but they are extremely dangerous, especially so for white students. Furthermore, we are moving in the complete opposite direction. Race is now so poisonous that NOBODY wants to speak honestly about the mess we have made.
tarstarkusz aww hell yeah, got anymore copy pastes from terminally indoctrinated laborers poisoned by capitalism so hard they decide that not only white flight was caused by a nebulous boogie man of “racial politics” which is ostensibly blaming the minorities themselves but also conveniently ignoring redlining, discriminatory loan practices, property covenants, and the withholding of bank funding to develop or supply capital for floor plans in those neighborhoods. With the land owners and banks effectively sabotaging that neighborhood causing those of means to relocate. Any other choice examples of the rich driving a wedge between races for convenient use in scapegoating peoples differences as the reason why capitalism can be so good, but why it’s not working despite hard work? If not, don’t worry about it. It’s still awesome to see boomers using technology though, knowing that statistically they are about 10 years away from the median percentage of them drawing near the conclusion of their average lifespans. Just knowing they got to just say the things they thought and be just like their mouldering idol, Mickey Rooney, is heartwarming.
+Kyle.. Whatever you THINK happened in the past, the rich (and powerful) driving wedges between the races is what is happening right now. Every problem in society is put squarely on the shoulders of white people, no matter what it is. It is reached the point where our elite openly fantasize about (and think it acceptable) and encourage violence against white teenage boys for the crime of smirking in the first degree! There are no discriminatory loan practices. These things are mostly excuses. The Japanese had all their stuff taken and thrown in prison. They faced more hostility after the war than any other group ever did. Lucky for them, no politician ever decided that Japanese grievances could make them a lot of money. So there were no Japanese race-hustlers and no "programs" to make them better and whole again. This has expanded now to mestizos and really all non-whites in the form of "people of color" which is a ridiculous category which means anyone not white. It is sick and neurotic and has infested our society like a plague.
I think the AM/FM thing is absolutely brilliant. I do think that with the mention of the Green New Deal as put forward by Alexandria Occasio-Cortez and Ed Markey that this lens deserves to be applied to it as well. www.documentcloud.org/documents/5729033-Green-New-Deal-FINAL.html The proposal features: - A job guarantee - Mobilisation at a level not seen since WW2 - Sweeping social programs tied in with climate programs like weatherisation and infrastructure renewal - 100% renewables with a view to decommission America's 99 nuclear reactors within 10 years, because apparently although the foundation of the GND is democratic socialist, keeping nuclear reactors online that provide 60% of the CONUS emission free energy is too socialist: www.utilitydive.com/news/nukes-can-have-small-role-in-green-new-deal-backers-say/547974/ As a leftist the GND exemplifies to me the perfect AM/FM dichotomy. The 100% renewables refrain (presumably, this draft was written in consultation with anti-nuke groups like Sierra Club and NRDC while Ed Markey is famously anti-nuke so it is of no surprise) is fucking magic. It relies upon yet-to-be-invented storage and transmission technology to shunt around vast amounts of intermittent power while industrialising large amounts of otherwise untouched lands with power lines, wind turbines and solar farms. All this so as to address climate change while destroying 60% of existing zero carbon infrastructure that can be upgraded to run beyond 80 years. The GND also promises to devastate what remains of organised labour in the power sector too. A lot of nuclear jobs are unionised in the US - the sector is heavily involved in vertically integrated, non-privatised public utilities. The "democratic socialist" scheme would propose to destroy all of that and replace them with quite temporary, often contractor-filled, more hazardous jobs in the solar and wind industries. We have already seen that with Germany's Energiewende that actually implementing such an energy system is highly regressive: www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html . 300000 households have had their power cut due to inability to pay power bills, electricity costs are second highest in Europe, Hambach forest and historic villages were razed to dig lignite, and Germany's otherwise excellent reactor fleet was shut down. Meanwhile emissions are flat, Germany is likely to miss Paris climate targets, and NordStream 2 is being negotiated as we speak, increasing European reliance upon the Russian autocracy. I would love to see a job guarantee to guarantee a minimum living wage and increase purchasing power parity of the people that matter most in the economy: the poorest. I would love to see infrastructure renewed like improved dams and bridges, many of which date back to the original New Deal. The job guarantee alone would promote a lot of social equality and mobility at a level not seen since the post-war Keynesian consensus that recognised the role of the state in creating jobs and industries. But the GND as it stands has a pretty large potential to be regressive in all the aspects that it purports to help. Land use and habitat fragmentation will increase, not decrease under a 100% renewables scenario. Power prices will be higher and more volatile (this is needed to support the arbitrage of energy storage devices), making such a grid more regressive to access. Replacing 60% of emission free nuclear power instead of the 80% of fossil fuel primary energy in the US will slow down the pace of decarbonisation. And all this to appease rich, elite environmentalist donors, often Baby Boomers still traumatised by endless Civil Defense videos and fears of The Bomb.
Imaging critizizing the guy who revolutionized online payment, space travel electric vehicles and recently solar power for having crazy ideas. Sure some of them are crazy. That comes with being a visionary on the level of that guy.
People seemingly ignore logic when thinking of new ideas. It's like that idea "I'm sure it will be cheaper in another 5 years". We only think that because decent ideas do that, but many things do not as they are already fairly well designed. Once you pass the around 100 year mark there really isn't much more improvements to make.
His money right not the NASA funds tax money. And he's using it to pointlessly pollute orbit space with fucktons of shitty satellites. Way to go Elongated Muskrat
@@principleshipcoleoid8095 Space is very big indeed but satellites in most of it serves no point. Low Earth Orbit is a very specific part of space that's yes big, bt putting up dozens of thousands of satellites there can lead to collisions and shitloads of debris causing more collisons and more debris etcetera. It's called Kessler syndrom u can look it up. And why clearly don't need fukin satellite coverage to have decent internet as we can observe currently,his project is just pretty much getting monopoly on internet and phone coverage which is usually a country's job. Satellites good but sharting thousands of them ofr no reason kinda bad. Peace out my dude
I don't really feel like cars live up to the "Freedom" promise when they nosedive in value, require constant maintainence, and have bastardized the way we live to requrie them. OH yeah, constantly get in each other's way and trick people into thinking they can be improved into a practical replacement for subways.
Overdependency on cars is a very USA problem. I've lived in the UK and Japan, and in both places you can generally walk/cycle from anywhere to anywhere you like, so long as you have the time.
@@_frection_419 Actually it's also going to be a problem to many developing nations as many of their region and cities are developed after car and motorbike invention. Any old world power won't be affected but every ex-colonised nation will have to struggle with it.
Quite the rabbit hole lead me to this video. Glad I found it, I've seen a couple of comments saying your voice is boring, but I don't find it that, for me it's soothing. I'm curious if you'll see this comment after this long while. I'm definitely staying on this channel longer.
Hi, glad you're here! Idk where in the rabbit hole you're from, but if you haven't found the Well There's Your Problem Podcast yet, I highly recommend it. It's a podcast about engineering disasters with slides, and is in and of itself a disaster. Roz (donoteat01) is on it with 2 other main hosts and usually a guest or 2.
Not mention the cost of continuously inspecting and maintaining 20 to 30 car loop tunnels compared to a few larger train subway tunnels. Plus the cost of maintaining the propulsion systems and car elevators.
@@bilbo_gamers6417 But an interstate that's underground and only takes a few cars at a time. AND there's allot more of them. Plus there would be queuing at the entrances and exits to these.
@@SirPoofyPants I was comparing it to the maintenance of an interstate. It's a huge construction projects, but it's impossible to calculate the cost of it until after it's built.
Bilbo_Gamers Bilbo_Gamers No, that’s not how things are built. It’s the job of engineers and contractors to determine cost before construction starts. Such projects involve experts and engineers in fields of transportation engineering, structural engineering, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, foundation engineering, soil mechanics, and more. One doesn’t just jump into a project and hope it works and is cost effective.
Bilbo_Gamers AND one needs to determine if the project is worthwhile before even designing. A tunnel that only allows a few cars to go at once is a massive waste of space, resources, and money. Your better off having a mass transit such as a subway or a large tunnel to accommodate many cars.
". . . if only to prove the supremacy of post-modern cultural Marxism over ...... whatever it is the Jordan Peterson does. I don't know much about the guy, I heard it has something to do with cleaning rooms and misgendering people. So, I think he runs some kind of transphobic maid service....." That earns you a like AND a sub.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 No, by bolshevik I mean "a deluded idiot" sprinkled with "no capability to reflect on past 100 years of history". I mean, it's not like there is no way to tell what a nasty, vicious ideology it is based on what happened not so long ago.
yes it's a gigantic waste of time, resources and money, but what you're not taking into account is that all that money goes to elon's company so it's actually good
My idea why the hyperloop looked stupid from the first look. It's just the engine of a train with a full train track... Why? Does that not look like it would be artificially limiting passengers?
Ironically seeing more people investing in those electric bike hybrids and electric motor cycles (electric bikes as in they have a motor or you could peddle when the batteries die). Thought that was kinda funny.
The Wuppertal Monorail is actually not a gadgetbahn. It was build more than 100 Years ago as one of the first electrical railway systems in Germany. It turned out to be perfect for Wuppertal because this is a stretched industrial city along the small river Wupper. Most of the monorail hovers elevated over the river and it's kind of the only way to build this without using valuable ground in the valley of the Wupper (Wuppertal). One line is building the backbone of the whole public transport. No other city wanted to build an completely elevated train system because you don't want to have your streets filled up with a train like this over the heads. It's also hard to do crossings and switches. In Wuppertal, the Schwebebahn developed to be the icon of the town, people love it and right now it is under construction for a renewal for the next 100 years or so.
Came here to write this. And to add, it wasn't built like this just to not be a train. Originally the city wanted to have a subway, because that's what everbody did at the time, but the ground didn't allow it.
Let me guess another "not tested, thus romanticized flawless invention that came out 100 years ago and was never picked up because it was stupid even back then but for some reason people ignore that fact today"Typical masturbatory material for dumb commies who want everything to be made by the government: 10x as expensive, 2x as late, and with half the features. Wonder why Elon Musk's rocket company is making each flight for fractions of the cost HMMMMMMMM almost like people who don't have a printing press tend to want to keep their money intact
Its 2022 and boy howdy were we all proved wrong by the unprecedented success of the loop. 100,000 cars per minute travelling seamlessly at 250mph. Truly Elon Musk will forever be known as the man who eliminated traffic once and for all.
A leftist youtuber who likes public transportation and scientifical criticsm of modern "genius" billionares ideas AND plays cities skylines?! Man I just met you and I already love you
@@basedguns8218 I'd call him: A dude who is a true skeptic and is taking the name back while spitting actual scientific facts. Mouthier than centrist, but it gets the point across.
Scientific criticism and cities skylines in one sentence. I don’t know about you but my traffic is even after many mods behaving like a two year old. I should say my citizens and their cars.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 So it's a more inefficient form of saying 'centrist'? How I see it, skeptics and centrists are almost always thrown into the same boat by their dissenters. If someone hates you for showing even the slightest admiration for one of those leanings, they sure as shit won't like when someone admires the other one.
Of course St Elon of Musk is a genius... Who else has invented the electric car, the rocket, vacuum railways, the tunnel boring machines and the submarine? OK... He did it anywhere up to centuries after somebody else did it but those other people only invented one thing but His Holy Muskiness invented them all. ALL HAIL LORD ELON FOR HE IS GREAT!
Anthony Handcock To be fair, self landing reusable rockets are pretty impressive, and we're made by his company SpaceX. Sure you had the Space Shuttle, but that had many issues making it very expensive to refurbish, such as having to check all of the thousands of heat shield tiles by hand, along with other issues. I don't know anyone who is claiming he invented rockets, just that his company has made several innovations which is making the cost per kilo of payload cheaper.
@@the7045 The self landing rocket is very impressive but I have serious doubts about its future to be honest. I suspect the future is in cheaper disposable rockets rather than re-useable ones. We shall see....
Much of his stuff is BS, but SpaceX is actually making money. Lucky for us that space exploration is his primary motive and not stuff like the hyper loop. Oh, and rockets that are so cheap that it is worth the cost to just dispose of them instead of bring some extra fuel to land them again is "Fucking Magic".
golden86 Are you talking about the space shuttle? Landing a space plane or using parachutes to slow said space plane's boosters isn't the same as landing a conventional rocket upright on a launch pad. The space shuttle had numerous flaws and arguably failed at its goal to lower the costs of space travel. The cost of launching 1 kg on the space shuttle was estimated to be $18000. For the falcon heavy it's $2200. If your talking about something else I would enjoy hearing about it.
I don't understand why you drones want to give up your personal freedoms. Less humans, more freedoms. Get rid of humans. More humans, less freedoms. Humans bad.
@@annoythefish cars do not equal personal freedom and they end up constricting things more than they help. Cars are good for some things, but for most transportation needs, public transit is a much more effecient option.
@@krunkformula You city dwellers are like drones, the more people they cram together the more they think like ants. That's very sad. I hope we move away from cities away they are destroyed in WW3, very unhealthy for us.
"And also Anita Sarkeesian is fine." #SoBrave, now prepare for dozens of response videos from those goons where they attack your arguments on engineering based entirely on your inability to hate Anita for no reason. Also, that old-timey music on the "future of transportation" segment made me think... this really is just an old Disney thing isn't it? Musk is just doing Autopia but with two rails instead of one.
idk man i think its a brilliant partial solution to a problem that doesn't exist and if nothing else the epitome of marketing and hype over engineering and substance, a true reflection of the age in which we live, an age in which no matter how stupid or ill conceived the idea with the right cultist at the helm things can... sort of be half arsed... an age where people are so desperate for something...ANYTHING to be done that even this seemed like a better idea than the alternative offering...which was ..to do nothing and hope that the traffic fairies would solve the issues in the night because gods be damned if we arent terrified of long term urban planning commitment and spending public money on the dull but practical thing in life...
@@autumn4142 “The idealized market was supposed to deliver ‘friction free’ exchanges, in which the desires of consumers would be met directly, without the need for intervention or mediation by regulatory agencies. Yet the drive to assess the performance of workers and to measure forms of labor which, by their nature, are resistant to quantification, has inevitably required additional layers of management and bureaucracy. What we have is not a direct comparison of workers’ performance or output, but a comparison between the audited representation of that performance and output. Inevitably, a short-circuiting occurs, and work becomes geared towards the generation and massaging of representations rather than to the official goals of the work itself. Indeed, an anthropological study of local government in Britain argues that ‘More effort goes into ensuring that a local authority’s services are represented correctly than goes into actually improving those services’. This reversal of priorities is one of the hallmarks of a system which can be characterized without hyperbole as ‘market Stalinism’. What late capitalism repeats from Stalinism is just this valuing of symbols of achievement over actual achievement. […] It would be a mistake to regard this market Stalinism as some deviation from the ‘true spirit’ of capitalism. On the contrary, it would be better to say that an essential dimension of Stalinism was inhibited by its association with a social project like socialism and can only emerge in a late capitalist culture in which images acquire an autonomous force. The way value is generated on the stock exchange depends of course less on what a company ‘really does’, and more on perceptions of, and beliefs about, its (future) performance. In capitalism, that is to say, all that is solid melts into PR, and late capitalism is defined at least as much by this ubiquitous tendency towards PR-production as it is by the imposition of market mechanisms.” ― Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?
@@autumn4142 I'm sure you were just trying to be funny and didn't expect this, but I'm actually from Yugoslavia and it didn't have anything to do with Stalin. In fact en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito-Stalin_Split Nor did we like Tito that much, he was an autocrat as they come. Likely installed by Western "democracy". Whoever liked him was an idiot. And those who didn't like him publicly, well.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_Otok Please do your best to cease spreading misinformation. If you know very little on the subject, act accordingly. Yugoslavia is not a laughing matter nor is it as simple as you might think, be at least thankful you didn't have to live through three horrible wars, and economic hell that binds it all together. All of it was done for geopolitical reasons, by foreign intelligence agencies, and none of it has nothing to do with anyone's opinion on Serbs, Croats or whatever. People are people everywhere, and your ignorant behavior seems to confirm this. It's not my fucking fault I got born right in the middle of two (or three) grotesque ideologies each fighting stupid proxy wars for planetary dominance, and your generalizations do not apply. But rest assured it's your fucking fault for providing a medium for the hatred and for giving lift to much deeper misunderstanding, misanthropy and ultimately dystopia. It'll come around. It always does.
@@milanstevic8424 It was less of a joke and more of a query, though I don't think "market stalinism" is an accurate representation of Yugoslavia, I was asking if that's what donoteat01 meant. I do know that Stalin and Tito didn't get along to put it nicely, and that they had different ways of doing things. I'm not going to address the rest of your comment because there's factual claims I could dispute but you are clearly not in the mood for that and most people don't take comment sections as legitimate sources of information without them citing things (I hope). "But rest assured it's your fucking fault for providing a medium for the hatred and for giving lift to much deeper misunderstanding, misanthropy and ultimately dystopia. It'll come around. It always does." I have no clue what you mean by this and I don't really care to find out. I hope you have a nice day and find a more productive outlet for your anger than yelling at internet randoms over comments relating to your former country. (Yes I did edit my own comment, because the basis from where this was left off induced me to make statements that on second thought weren't accurate representations of my own actions or thoughts, this has been changed for obvious reasons)
@@sawyernorthrop4078 also check this out, made just before the Las Vegas Loop opened and more in-depth than this video: th-cam.com/video/sWvagC5ccyY/w-d-xo.html
First time I saw concept animation for "the loop" all I could think of was how 8 lanes of interstate become the world's longest parking lot as everybody tries to navigate the on/off ramps. The second thought to cross my mind was a 1940 sci-fi short story by Robert Heinlein called "The Roads Must Roll" in which a whole lot of "FM" gets brought to a stop by the discontented technicians who maintain the moving roadway.
The geotechnical issues in Los Angeles also include oil and gas deposits. They accidentally blew up a building (fortunately nobody was in it at the time) when they were building the subway. Even if you could run a TBM as fast as Musk is claiming, you need extensive geological assessments before you even start. Also I can't believe the company's own animation shows a gaping hole in the street after the elevator descends. No safety issue there!
The gaping holes can be fixed by places rails. no big deal. But the geological studies... good luck that with that one. I can already smell the lawsuits, especially in LA where they sue developers for petty things. Mr. Musk should just go to the middle east like Dubai. Transportation revolutions are not possible in the USA. We can barely get a bullet train in California. I cant imagine tunnels and hyperloops.
The gas explosion you’re referring to actually had nothing to do with the red line tunneling, which hadn’t started construction and was nowhere near where they were building the red line. The gas explosion happened in 1985 at a Ross on 3rd and fairfax in the miracle mile district. The first phase subway tunnel being built was built from Union Station to MacArthur Park. But you are right that they used that as an excuse to bad subway construction on the west side of LA.
Third watch through of this and I just now noticed in the Skylines demo of the loop ramps the middle of the screen is two rails of high speed rail just zipping by all the traffic
So i became familiar with you when you were on 'Three Moves Ahead'. Being very politically active i was positively surprised by how you linked urban planning, socio economics and video games. You didn't say so explicitly i think but it was evident that you thought most city builders to be the ideologized dreams of neoliberal game devs naively worshipping the tech boom as the future of city economies. You remind me of an essay i once read by the geographer and marxist professor David Harvey for my graduate studies a few years ago. That essay really made me interconnect the way cities are built and organized with how we organize our economy socially. Anyway, thank you for existing and not falling into either of two categories 1). The "politically" aware youtubers who worship technological development as an end unto itself that will make ideology irrelevant or 2). The "non-political" youtubers who believe city builders to just "reflect reality". Also fuck Elon Musk.
Jesus. I found a voice of reason. This is the first time I've seen the glaring issue with a city "loop" highlighted - the fact that you go from a high speed flow to cars sitting at rest. Anyone who's ever designed systems requiring analysis of latency, capacity (bandwidth) and buffering knows this.
@Photonic Field They're talking about how you have to go from the super-fast underground lane to the slow ground-level street, and how the transition is going to make traffic jams, not about the possibility of accidents. And accidents can still occur, you have to account for those, even if the AI is perfect (and if you know anything about computer engineering, you know they will happen a lot)
@Photonic Field I think he was referring to what would happen if you so happened to need to stop.. the first car has an incident (not just coming to a complete halt?) and then because of the stopping capacity of the subsequent cars, there would be a huge pile up.
Smarter Brain: Faster trains that are underground so they arent in the way. oh what was that? a hyper loop? you dont say? What is a "SUBWAY" ?? The sandwhich place? OH oh its a thing that is fucking amazing everywhere they exist? that thing no one ever is stupid enough to claim is a stupid idea LOOOOOOL ? Hyperloop = faster subway, but these fuckin morons complain LOOOOOL. Its ok. STUPID PEOPLE DONT DESERVE NICE THINGS ANYWAY
@@RailwayScholar Well a train isn't personal transportation. It's mass transportation. Though it is of course the best transportation option (unless in very rural areas).
Wanna take this opportunity to say Mark Brunell was the most underrated quarterback of the 1990s. Feel like donoteat is not going to touch on the career of the dual-threat lefty Mormon qb ever again. Thanks. Also i don't think you should knock the loop because getting engulfed in a tunnel-wide chemical fire in my rich person car would present a cool way to die and I would like to die that way
So the loop and the hyper loop both have the interesting characteristic of a single accident has the potential to kill everyone in the system at the time.
In the original proposal with the cars driving onto the skates I've always wondered where all those skates will be stored when not in use and where will they get serviced? Even if the actual number of skates needed throughout LA is just a fraction of the total cars being driven that has got to be a massive number. If traffic patterns become unexpectedly heavy at some locations the elevators could run out of skates. The skates would need to drive themselves to other elevators and constantly redistribute themselves. It would be kind of like the "bike share problem" where you can find yourself at a stop with no bikes available. If the same skates are repeatedly being used throughout the day at 150 mph the tire wear as Justin suspected must be horrendous. I guess trying to logically figure this out is too much of a fools errand.
Just the idea of limitless building space is just crazy. No place on Earth has unlimited building place underground, specially not... You know, the highly urbanized centers which actually need to move so many people. Dig a meter of soil on most big cities and you just hit the sewer, maybe a gas line, internet and electricity as well. All without mentioning "rotten soil" which is soil where cave ins are pretty much bound to happen if you dig only a couple of those tunnels and fill it with traffic.
here before musk fans
I'm a Musk fan, but also a donoteat fan. I approve of this video. I know The Loop won't work, just like Teslas will never be "affordable for all", but the advancement in the tech is what matters. Not many organizations are pouring billions in to advancing boring, EV or autonomous vehicle tech.
@@LastMohecan can you honestly name one "advancement" in tech Tesla or even space x for that matter have actually accomplished? Everything they're doing has both been done before and better. The only advancement either has accomplished at all is the ability to frequently take credit for things that were already developed and tested acting as if they're new tech and selling the idea to gullible people. And you're probably going to shoot back with the rocket tech with the barges and everything from space x but NASA did it ten years before along with everything else but didn't keep using the rockets because of better alternatives. Tesla's battery's are bought from other companies etc. Nothing is theirs. Neither has done has helped the base advancement of the tech so that's an awful reason to support him.
I'm pretty sure Musk gave too much technology to humans so he needs to hinder our progress now somehow. I bet he's from another planet.
@@macelankly1440 SpaceX rockets are using cold war technology for their rocket engines, for god's sake. Musk is an absolute fraud trying to reinvent the wheel. Only the wheel is square and made of radioactive plutonium.
@@macelankly1440 I guess you didn't read what I said. I said advanced, not invent. Do you honestly believe the major car companies would be working on EVs as much as they are now if someone, anyone, it didn't have to be Musk, didn't light a fire under their asses? GM and Nissan have both publicly said that they have had to step up their game because of the popularity of Tesla. They both had the tech, but no motivation to do it. How many small startups are getting funding now because everyone wants to invest in the next Tesla? Statups that might actually make a real difference one day. Steve jobs was in a no way a good person and didn't invent anything useful, but he did make the smartphone mainstream. I never said I am a follower of Musk, I said fan. I see through bull💩, but I can appreciate the pros that come from a situation instead of being a blind follower and jumping on a hate train or a worshipper. If the people he employs come up with a much more efficient way to make tunnels, then that might end up making subways or other underground infastructurs more accessable.
You have the exact tone of voice of a contractor patiently explaining to homeowner why their new addition will cost 10x what they expect and take three times as long.
The truth is boring and monotone
@@preslove But it's the truth.
@@ericjamieson indeed
Ik, isn't it great?
"Yes" -donoteat01 2019
.....Trains. They're called trains. They go fast now. They go choo choo sometimes. They hold people. Lets just do that.
No, you stop that. Get your decent, practical ideas out of here. Elon Musk needs to make more money.
We like the cars, the cars that go boom.
But those are *puuuubbbliiiic* transit. Parasites use them. How can you suggest I ride those? So degrading!
But that's what the poors use!
Ahahahaha. In fact it's good idea.
But it's too complicated*(s) Elon Musk. So we just build hyperloop)
So basically the loop is a metro line which is more complicated, can transport less people and is more expensive to set up?
Yep. The billionaires solution to a problem: Lower performance for a higher price!
The Loop isn't meant to replace metro lines. It's meant to be another tool to reduce car ownership like scooters, busses, trains. We can never have too many tools in the box.
@@ehbr6679 Doesn't make it any less inpractical. We have much cheaper and safer alternatives to this.
@@ViciousVinnyD We do, but they don't always work. Singapore has one of Asia's most dependable public transport systems. Most of the country is within a 10 minute walk to a bus or train station. One can take the train from coast to coast in an hour. Cars are prohibitively expensive. A Corolla here costs about $90K.
Despite all that, we have still have an overabundance of cars. Average speeds on expressways are around 50-60 km/h during peak periods, and that's if you're lucky.
We have so many cars even though we have practical, cheap and safe transportation because people are irrational. People would rather go into debt, pay hundreds of thousands of dollars, so they wouldn't have to suffer "uncool" public transport or stand on the bus.
I believe Loop's more comfortable and private style of public transport would get these people off cars and into something else. In a perfect world, we would all see the greater good and forgo cars. We don't live in a perfect world. Sometimes, we need to market to people's irrationality.
@@ViciousVinnyD i personally will never travel with bus or train anymore after i got my first car....maybe the fact that im anti-social and hate being around other people has something to do with it...you never know...
this sounds super dumb but this video literally changed my life. Since I first watched it in May of 2020, I reevaluated my thoughts on Elon Musk and public transit. Then I listened to a lot of Well There's Your Problem, and after that I found channels like Not Just Bikes and City Nerd. Now I'm entering college as a Geography and Urban Planning major. It's not all thanks to this video, but if I had never watched it I'm not sure that I would have ever discovered my passion for public transit and community planning.
You absolutely love to see it
Way to go youngling! ❤
it's good seeing that number of people actually competent in the field is increasing. Sadly, billionaire frat bois are still gonna have a bigger say in the issue, I reckon
Please fix our cities so I can ride my bike with a cargo bin without fearing for my life
Amazing! Whenever you are in the world I hope to see more and more people interested in urban planning, public transport and accessible cities, sustainability and I hope we all work together for greener cities and end the car industry. We're still going to need cars but those should be reserved for appropriate situations, not for short unnecessary trips like we do today. Netherlands, France and lots of cities are working towards it, Europe is big advocate along with some countries in Asia and I hope we all strive to improve that further.
Why don't we just flood the streets and travel by boat?
If you live in a coastal city, that's actually gonna come sooner than you expect.
@@benoitbvg2888 I hope you're right
Ah, the Venetian approach.
Witty
@@benoitbvg2888 FREE TRANSIT FOR EVERYONE!
The lengths people will go just so they don't have to admit removing all urban/regional rail infrastructure was a mistake and that trains just work better.
And avoid admitting you have allowed cities to develop that are entirely automotive dependent with no rail alternative
cars are better than trains in the USA.
@@bilbo_gamers6417 "See, it really is that shit. Did we really have to put in the effort to remove all of its infrastructure to convince you?"
@@bilbo_gamers6417 fucking moron 😒
@@bilbo_gamers6417 Because cities were built around cars rather than public transport, and driving in US cities is STILL a f*cking nightmare.
in 2022, this has aged like a top-shelf single malt scotch.
What
this comment is from just 6 months ago but somehow its aged even more since then lmao 🤣
@@gristen This comment is from just a month ago, but somehow it's aged even more since then 😂😂😂🤣💀
Whisky does not age in the bottle tho. It ages in the barrel. If a malt whisky is 10 years in a barrel before bottling, its a 10 year malt 👍
@@TheScotsalan i'm a time traveler and i can tell you ELON MUSK will be found to be a stable genius , like a really smart guy and has a big brain and test will be done and ELON MUSK will found to be DONALD TRUMP love child !
Well, we found out how he's saving money on shafts. No ventilation or emergency exits.
Hilarious !
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@@literalantifaterrorist4673based username
Just want to say I appreciate the subtle Minecraft music coming in mid-description of boring machines.
Big Railcraft energy in this video
Isn't it sad how much of this nonsense is probably rooted in Elon's phobia of public transport vehicles?
very true lolololol
@Adam Dressler Wow thats realy depressing actually
@ThisIsMyRealName oh the irony
Yeah, that's tragic. Elon rises above adversity... Did you know it was 109 degrees in the Sonoran Desert today? Wonder how many would-be EMs died there today...
It really seems like he doesn’t get it or has some kind of hatred for mass transit.
This is one of the dumbest ideas anyone has ever come up with. It's just a subway, except worse in literally every way.
Not only are you going to have crashes. You're going to have crashes with G-force.
I could easily imagine Trump trying to explain this very idea in opposition to just investing in repairing infrastructure across America. lol It just gets dumber the more detail you get into
The only upsides are safety and convenience, which people will pay insane sums of money for
Cory Fice technically, all crashes involve g-force.
@@chairio6212 Convenience maybe, safety I would say no.
We 👏don’t👏 need 👏a hyper loop. 👏We 👏need👏 investment 👏in public👏 transportation. 👏
Government 👏services 👏don’t 👏work👏
@@user42404 Only👏🏻in👏🏻America👏🏻
@@rest_in_prince_I_h_trains um no they dont work around the world either
@@user42404 Maybe start funding them then? Countries with people that care about it throw money at it, and it can be excellent. But theyre too few and far between for 2020.
@@rest_in_prince_I_h_trains L👏O👏L👏
Why do people think everything can be solved by a miraculous solution. When congestion can easily be solved with public transport.
*free and accessible public transport, at least cheap. Seattle busses are not cheap.
And good ways of cycling and walking around
People don’t want to use public transport the same way that communism doesn’t work.
@@aygwm did you just bring politics into a comment about public transport?
@@trilingualfudge7307 he's right the answer is the same no matter what for things like this'll, "greed , and selfishness."
So what I'm gathering is... we should INVEST in PUBLIC TRANSIT AND INFRASTRUCTURE... and not leave it up to frat boy billionaires?
Ummmm.... are u serious???? caring about poor, regular folk is very boring and gross, isn’t even shiny or cool. Tech frat boy make space ship, all problem gone, also shiny and cool
how is he gonna sell his car if you get buses and trains to ride?
Seize the means of transportation
It's not really Elon Musk's job to make sure poor people have reliable transport. It seems the wealthier someone gets the more responsible an average person holds them for fixing problems in their life.
@@redpedobear yeah, poor people should build their own train network am I right, they are just too lazy
Love when billionaires invent expensive, less efficient versions of things that already exist.
What else do you expect when the government gives billionaires free money to do it? Not only does the Loop get funding from the federal government but so does Tesla. So the two most central components of Musk's train project aren't actually financed by him.
My favourite bit is that his fans seem to think of this as progress ?
When its literally keeping a n inneffiencient and archaic form of transport desperatelly while actively damaging its own integrity with it. It's as anti-progress as you can get.
@TheBlondie You say that like the GOP is not WORSE.
Wtf, if government funded Tesla, the company wouldn’t be that inefficient. Musk is the one who tries shit alone and none helps him, that’s why he has slow progress, or not at all. That case cannot be fitted in any conspiracy theory, contrary to Bezos who is actually one of those, who does shit for money, and nothing more.
@@Arch757 Lol, okay stan.
You could improve the loop's reliability a lot if you only used the pods so you don't have to carry an entire car with you. And even more if you expand the pods into larger "blocks" with lots of people on them. You could even connect a bunch of them together and move the motive power into one big unit at the front. Let's call this system a "blockchain". Now, since you're only using these blockchains, you could replace the road wheels with their rubber tires with steel wheels that run on steel tracks to reduce wear. Doesn't this sound like a good idea?
sounds like a train or a bus idea.
Wouldn't it be more efficient if you spread the motive power across all the blocks in the blockchain? Especially if we're underground and electrified already, there's no need to have a whole block for motive power. You could have the electricity come in through a hot rail or an overhead cable too.
@@alaeriia01 you know, I'm not sure. That's a good point though, I'd have to study which of those works better.
@@keiyakins The single motive unit in front would work better for long distances, but this is the Loop, not the Hyperloop.
Sounds too much like communism
I like this guy. He talks like what I imagine my dad would talk like if my dad ever talked to me.
That turned dark
Dam son. Oh wait.
Oooof
F
Like a jealous 12 year old?
imagine there's a car accident and you're just stuck in a tunnel. Way to trigger your inner claustrophobia.
No it wouldn't, because if I was stuck in the tunnel with that car accident, I'd be dead. So instead, I'm just not going to get caught dead in one of those tunnels. ;)
what if there's a power outage? some component inside that tiny tube is broken and need fixed? some car blocked it and engieer will have to walk or just can't get there at all. and also oxygen? you will need some very strong tunnel ventilation. just a big waste of money for much less
Reminds me of that episode of Doctor Who, "Gridlock" where the inhabitants were stuck in an under ground highway
just imagine having to get out of your car, using your phone's flashlight to walk along the track to try and find the exit only to wait for hours, your phone dies before the track is back running again. If you finally find the elevator you have to wait for hours for it to be fixed and to work.
Like going down a slide while it’s being covered at the front
Guys I got an idea, it's a road with tracks on it underground.
Oh wait that's a train.
No, that's a Metro/Subway.
@@Bacony_Cakes Which are types of train.
I have to disagree on one point you make: The Schwebebahn (suspended rail) in Wuppertal isnt just suspended for the sake of not being a train, but for geographic reasons. the "tal" in Wuppertal translates to valley, which is exactly what the city is located in. The suspended railway was the best option, as they could only build the tracks above the Wupper (in the center of the valley), which is the river going through the city. It was much easier and cheaper to build these suspended single rail tracks instead of regular tracks on a bridge there. So it isn't a "gadgetbahn".
Yeah, let's just say that there's a reason it's been around for 120 years.
This is correct.
And throwing out an elephant would not have been as funny if there would not have been a river below ...
@@NuclearSavetyWhat do you mean?
@@noidea5597 look for the Wiki article about the Elephant Tuffi .... history is stranger than fiction ....
Elon Musk is a prime example of how billionaires live in a radically different world than the rest of us.
you dunno stuff bruh
@Django Fett YES. YES. GOOD JOB.
@Mr.ManMakesLotsOfCan but he arrived America with no money. He started his first company with nothing. He gradually became richer. After Zip2 was sold, he earned 22 million. Paypal->180 million. Now his Tesla + SpaceX shares makes him worth 20 billion. Saying he isn't self made is completely BS.
And in light of climate change and tech billionaires *existing*, remember that movie Elysium.
@Django Fett Totally.
We have affordable mass transit here in Germany. It's alled a train. Works really good actually.
Not really.
www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/bundesrechnungshof-bahn-103.html
www.nzz.ch/international/die-deutsche-regierung-kuemmert-sich-lieber-um-kuenstliche-intelligenz-als-um-eine-puenktliche-bahn-ld.1441904
@@flisk_ I am aware of that but in my mind I thought of Berlin and it's local public transit. It's amazing. You don't actually need a car and it's relatively cheap.
The problems of DB at large are mainly caused by mismagement and no principle problem of mass public transport.
@@RubashowYeah, fair. I'm just being pedantic.
@@flisk_ It's TH-cam. I've expeceted no less.
Imagine those trains, but with much higher speeds. Aka: high speed rail, an amazing and proven technology that keeps getting better. Oh wait, we have to come up with something different entirely. Don't get me wrong, I think Elon Musk did amazing stuff but the fact he doesn't personally work on hyperloop should tell you something.
Tech bro innovation: take an existing concept, turn it into a start-up, make the existing concept look way better by comparison.
This includes:
* The Loop: subways exist in many major cities including Boston, New York, and London. Plus there are trains and buses.
* Co-Living: They're normally called "roommates."
Also, 1- Explain your business model, based around charging a premium for the service, make sure the ''user'' has no right to privacy, never owns the product he buys and think it's cool and disruptive, cause of some dumb synergetic riding concept 2- Take money from DARPA, vulture funds or better yet, tax money from fed/states/city grants... 2- use money until public project fails (train in Cali), 3- go sell overpriced cars and ungodly ugly trucks for fragile rich male egos, 4- make more money, 5- rinse, repeat: go try with another ''tech bro innovation'' that screws the vast majority of us, ego inflates exponentially
@@sukoimig That is the most surgical take down I've read on Musk.
@@ericb.4313 ty, but without your brilliant original post, I would've never had the inspiration... Now I want to write one for Space X and one for Tesla proper... Similar turd sandwiches, but different condiments
hmm, sounds like edison, for someone who name his brand tesla
@@sukoimig what do you dislike about SpaceX and Tesla?
What happens to the loop system when the road surface wears out? After all, if you run a shit ton of cars each hour at 150 MPH then your road is going to run at 3 times the rate of a normal road or worse. Think of what happens when the road surface starts to break up and ruts and pot holes in the surface. I can imagine resurfacing a road surface in a tiny tunnel will be a real joy.
True. I wonder how these tunnels are even permitted without the safety features of all other vehicle tunnels. What happens when a car inevitably crashed and the batteries burn? How do emergency vehicles respond or much less fit. It seems like the national safety regulations don't apply to musks schemes.
Imagine hitting a pothole at 150, it would to deeply not-fun things to your car.
It's just so awful compared to a subway. It costs more, requires more tunnels and space, transports fewer people, has more moving components that are maintenance and reliability issues.
Very much mirroring how the Hyperloop is really just a very impractical high speed train system that can't compete with already existing railways in countries like France and Japan.
It's awful to see how many people fall for Musk's ridiculous promises that will perpetually remain "just three years away".
Elon has said this is NOT a replacement for any transportation system. It is an *additional* option. Its intention is to address the limitations of current road networks which are constrained to 2 dimensions so expansion can only occur sideways. Digging down enables virtually unlimited expansion.
This is not a substitution for any other mode of transport.
"It's just so awful compared to a subway. It costs more,"Apparently you've never been to a subway you fucking moron, do you realize how much more a subway costs? Any government project is a mass money sink for one reason: government has that money to spend. Its not their money, its your money. They spend your money. And when they really need to spend your money, they whip out the money press.
Also, you then just have a ton of cars in the center of the cities, so it just moves the problem. A good public transportation network is the best solution.
@@SP-dj9kl I have no idea what to tell you if you seriously think this thing will be cheaper per person transported than a subway, which is just a giant single car that doesn't have to leave the tunnel via elevator.
Uhhh one, fuck them, two, bring a cushion, three, fuck you!
You know... sure maybe the loop itself doesn't quite work, but I think he's onto something. Hear me out.
So instead of individual tunnels that fit a single vehicle, you have wider tunnels that cost more to make but can support more than a single vehicle at a time. Then, maybe instead of using personal vehicles that have been modified, you use a standardised vehicle that's built specifically to use these tunnels.Then, you can make them like way bigger, so that you can have tens or maybe even like a hundred people on them all at once! And they have like a schedule for where they go and when, and you don't even need to own one yourself, you just pay a few dollars and can go anywhere in the city it's a subway, my joke is that it's a subway. Why did Elon want to do... this, when we already have a thing called a subway that works better than this ever would.
You can't sell tesla cars to people who use the subway
Even if the tunnels aren't wider, you could still fit a light rail rapid transit system in there (something like an automated people mover). Would have less capacity but still more than a car!
Call it the Hyper Way, patent that shit, have a 3D animation and profit .... lol
Because subways are "for peasants".. You gotta think of this from the perspective of an out of touch billionaire. Trains aren't "cool"
Its mentioned in the video that the tunnels are exactly the same size as the tube system in England. Maybe Elon is stealthily convincing a bunch of investors to accidentally fund the construction of a future public subway system?
Musk: "I'm going to build more roads. They're going to be more expensive than normal roads, but I'll fund them with taxpayer money."
People: "What a genius!"
It's M-squaref (magic squared).
@@user-lp8ur5qn3o Big companies get subsidies 💸
Imagine thinking that The Boring Company uses taxpayer money. Lmao
@@squdardt.9719 they do. subsidies. stop defending elon musk
You should do some research. It's actually a lot cheaper and the dirt/stone can make bricks
More people need to realise Musk is a rich kid drawing his ideas on paper with crayons. Then paying the actual experts to try and make his FM notions come to reality...
Yep and then lobbying state legislatures, to enable these fantasy projects to destroy our public infrastructure.
Then doing fancy video annimation and using other people money to "prove" stupid concepts.
Imagine a subway where everybody can only enter and exit by an elevator that only holds 1-2 people.
And elevator hole is kind of death trap :)
Crazy right? Amazing that a majority of cars only have one person in them at any given time. And a majority of elevators remain stationary in contrast. Could we give up the ridiculous comparisons?
Not saying it is or isn't plausible, but the _idea_ we are to imagine is the ability to bypass traffic in a car. Only an idiot wouldn't want that.
@@hasanrize Imagine the law suits that that could cause. An open hole people could fall in, a car spinning out could fall in, the elevator failing, if there is no help button if it fails, etc. Yeah, let's not do that.
imagine paying for first clas-- You know what, Fuck that- Imagine paying for a private jet to charter you to your destination. you'll get to have your own tragedy waiting to happen at 40,000 feet while all those lucky saps are in economy class on a crowded passenger plane, boy they really have it made.
I think Elon's train of thought boils down to something simple:
"Cars good
Trains bad."
It's almost as if he owns a car company that he wants to promote
He's so anti-train he has cars of thought. Badum-tish!
"Horses chaotic neutral"
Elon's *train* of thought
I see what you did there
You mean the Neolberal *train* of thought?
Thank you for acknowledging the potential plight of the mole people btw.
#freethemolemen
I would live with them. I'm obsessed with living underground for some reason
@@Sean-ll5cm because you grew up listening to Jamiroquai
YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE KINGDOM OF THE MOLE MEN. Oh, well there he goes.
Is the (historically accurate) mention of the mole people a nod to the newly featured SCP-2622?
TERRA INTERIA WILL RISE AGAIN!
the whole loop idea only exists to satisfy Elon's anti-social idiosyncrasies
27:45 youtube recommendations
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Hbomberguy
Three Arrows.
Ma man.
@@_blank-_ Who doesn't love themselves some postmodernism?
anonym (who has now changed their name to STAN KIM YO-JONG)
funny, I’m pretty sure the world is run by capitalism. I don’t think it’s postmodernism that makes people receive stagnant wages and forces some people to be homeless because the market demands... demand. If everyone had a home, there’d be no demand.
COMMMMIIEEEEE REEEEEEEE.
On a more serious note, even though I'm on the opposite side of politics, I can forgive that. You should too, reader.
@@jukebox_heroperson3994 If you're responding to me and saying i should forgive the starvation and exploitation that is rampant under capitalism, it's pretty absurd
Most experts agree that the bare minimum to avoid starvation is about $4/day. Half the population makes less than that. Fun fact, half of the world's wealth is concentrated in the hands of 1% of its population
Half the world is starving, and half the money is owned by 2400 people
@@dmanew I think you misunderstood what I said. But, I will indulge you on those points. One being that the majority of the starving are in socialist or communist countries(in Africa but not just there, Venezuela is a big one). In America, Europe ETC, Where capitalism has been embraced(excluding former USSR countries which are still sometimes poor). Capitalist countries tend to have a surplus of food!
Also, stability breeds economic growth. And capitalism and democracy grant the most stable economies. In places like Venezuela, the state seizes and runs the formerly privately owned assets(badly).
I love the AM/FM philosophy.
FM. Great for a sleek scifi aesthetic in fiction, but absolutely toxic to real world discord
It's so spot on. Says it all really.
But Elon is holesome 100 keanu chungus. Wdym he isn't literally Tony Stark but real?
Reddit moment
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"we're going to do this here without the antifeminist or anti-sjw baggage" = exactly what I'm desperately hoping to hear every time I watch a youtube channel for the first time. Thank you for relieving my anxiety early in the video.
Whilst I do enjoy Thunderf00t's destruction of arrant stupidity, he does tend to wander off the point a teensy weensy bit.
Sometimes I ask myself why I care at all about male support, but I swear, any time I come across a comment like this, instead of the usual 'cant believe you defended femtards. unsubscribed.', it really makes me very happy. Thanks friend.
except he ended the video by saying "dont fall prey to Liberals mostly garbage ideology". Which is weird, because antifeminist and anti-sjw are the current right wing talking points. Any time a right winger goes against the same talking points, I just assume its a scam, which is what this probably is.
@@nannite it’s possible he’s criticizing liberal ideology from a left wing perspective.
@@nannite If you think Roz is a right winger you're grossly misinformed XD.
You know, the Schwebebahn is definitely not a 'gadgetbahn'. It's a solution that works only in Wuppertal, but it works very well there. The geography made a subway impossible, lack of space meant that an elevated system was necessary, preferably over the river. Whilst elevated railways would have been possible, the tight bends of the river (At the turning loops, the Schwebebahn's turning radius is less than that of a bus) would've meant that it would have been both slow and loud. It just so happened that a brilliant engineer one hour by train away from Wuppertal had built a prototype of a suspended monorail, which proved ideal for the city's geography. Due to Wuppertal's steel industry, building costs were no more than a normal railway,and as it was somewhat modular, assembly was quickly considered. The city grew around the Schwebebahn, and it's essential, to the point that it was restored to working order mere months after the end of WW2.
It is not a conventional railway not because they didn't want one (there is in fact a line that passes Wuppertal, and both ends of the Schwebebahn connect to it), but because it was the best possible solution at the time, and more suited than any conventional system
Thank you for the history lesson!
They also did build a tramway like most German cities but shut it down in the car crazy 1970s or 1980s....
Came here to leave this exact comment, couldn't have put it better!
Monorails can have a smaller ground footprint than elevated rail as you can generally get away with fewer pylons (though modern steel beam construction may mean this isn't true anymore). Plus the rail itself is often narrower and there's no need for a deck so you've got fewer issues around blocking natural light, clearances and creating dingy underpasses. I think that's why you tend to see them (outside of airports, theme parks and the odd university) in extremely crowded urban areas where putting in an elevated rail line would probably mean bulldozing a lot of buildings.
@@hubertblastinoff9001 May 30, 1987. A GREAT nonsense. However, Solingen trolleybuses connect with monorail.
The lengths to which economic liberals will go to avoid using public transport are astonishing
Imagine hating sitting near poor people that much!
Don't you mean social liberal? But then I guess it depends what you mean by 'liberal' too. He's a capitalist, I know that for sure and that's what's eating us alive.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 economic liberals believe individual preferences should govern economics rather than any collective needs.
@@davidfoust9767 You mean just 'liberals' aka, centrists, neocons..?
@@davidfoust9767 Is that another way of saying libertarian?
the mention of tire failure on these high-speed tunnel deathtraps put horrific images in my head.
if in some fantasy universe where this idea is actually implemented and the working poor can afford entry...there would be accidents constantly because the working poor already can't afford to replace their tires even under normal driving conditions.
i know too many people who are driving on bald and threading tires because their only alternative to affording tires is taking out payday loans. and yeah, they know it's fucking dangerous, but they don't have any other option because our city has zero public transit and their jobs are a 2-hour walk from home.
Just add some tire sensor at the entry, tires that are not in a safe condition, would not be permited in. Simple.
@@darklibertario5001 and making the whole system even less efficient yeah
At this point do a fucking metro
At least they didn't lost their jobs.
Don't forget plenty of economy cars are sold with T-speed-rated tires. They're only good for 118 mph.
imagine how much on easy target for terrorism it is.
Please deadpan about trains more. I need more of this in my life.
As long as there are trains im in
I love this guy - he’s the internets social media-savvy leftist grandpa from Philadelphia who probably has an amazing model railway collection
.... He's like 30 th-cam.com/video/lskXJ3_Jybo/w-d-xo.html
It's pretty wild, I know.
He was born in 1993, so he can't be older than 26
@@YaBoiKeith good god damn, even younger than my guess, I've not seen the birth year.
@@liberalartsandcrafts3685 I would not have guessed any younger than 60, jesus
He said he’s a socialist but doesn’t let his workers unionise???
A few wealthy people might like this, you know, because they don't like buses or trains or whatever - because regular folk haunt them.
They don’t like being reminded that their luxurious lifestyles are built on the backs of the working class after all
@@jaek9117 maybe they just don't want to catch the China flue
They also take long periods of time to get somewhere.
Then take a lyft lmao
You can solve this partially by providin extra class services like first class departments in a train
also something i've learned from these types of videos, you can add all the traffic lanes you want, but the best way to reduce traffic is to reduce the amount of vehicles on the road. more public transportation, less individual giant hunks of metal.
My experience with Cities:Skylines backs this up.
More people should talk aboot how Elon got his start. His dad's emerald mine in apartheid South Africa
Then he took credit for PayPal while contributing basically nothing himself, made a bit of money that way, and bought out Tesla from under the founders' asses, threw them out and humiliated them, then proclaimed himself founder of Tesla. Been using it as a successful venture capital scam ever since.
Jacqueline A yeah the more you know the less he seems like the futuristic mega mind. I used to be so excited by his ideas to go to mars... not anymore.
Still, this Musk guy seams to really dislikes own father.
@@ferablue1318 i used to look up to elon in someways and would even defend him in comment sections but now i realize he is just a thomas Edison who takes credit for ideas
Evan Watkins Worse than Edison. Edison sought to profit from Tesla’s ideas, Musk has profited from his identity.
So I'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but there's an amusing moment at 22:07. We'll call our driver Steve. Start at 22:03, and follow the vehicle crossing the northbound lanes over to the southbound ones. This would be Steve. Steve then tries to turn north on the southbound lanes, gets hit by another vehicle coming out of the western tunnel, and while that vehicle proceeds like nothing happened, Steve's disappears, and you can see him run from the site of the collision onto the sidewalk, then cross those exit lanes and proceed northward... This game is so ridiculous sometimes... lol
He ran onto sidewalk not because of collision - this game doesn't really have collisions, all cars are ghosts - but because shortest way to his destination was to "park" there (game has "pocket cars" meaning cims don't have to bother with parking, they just magically shapeshift into car and back) and then use sidewalk to reach destination. And yeah, the game is messed up, still fun though.
@@Ultrasemen, I think you missed that it was a joke about "Steve" being a horrible person who drives the wrong way in traffic and runs from the scene of the crime. lol
@@aloneill6337 it's often hard to understand who is joking and who is sincere, while in real life it is conveyed by non-verbal language, on the internet that's not possible, and even if original poster says it as a joke, explanation might still be useful for other people
The elevator adds significant maintence and slow load times.
The slow load times are a pain, but give you a chance to hear your companions discussing their alien digestive systems for the millionth time.
Not sure if loading cars in the elevator or gaming reference, genius comment, 10/10.
ramp
The Wuppertaler Schwebebahn works to this day, because of the Topography of Wuppertal. It spans the Wupper, the River next to which Wuppertal is built. The Soil in Wuppertal is also very soft on very hard Rock, so tunneling it wasn't really an option.
'Thunderf00t is a land of contrasts' is the nicest thing I've heard anyone say about Thunderf00t
I was laughing my ass off.
I had to pause it for "thunderf-zero-zero-t"
Basically he *was* an anti-feminist for a good chunk of his early years, but then had a break with that community and hasn't really put out any material of that type since. His more recent videos are all debunking scam gimmicks and occasionally scientific research videos, and the worst that can really be said about them is that he tends to ramble and stretch (presumably to hit ad quotients?). He doesn't seem to express any significantly right-leaning viewpoints, he's in favor of clean power (when it's scientifically valid), opposed Brexit, and seems opposed to pretty much every right-leaning politician that comes up.
@@timogul huh he's really that benign now? I assumed he was still a raging hate monger. Good on him I guess, well maybe not especially good
@@ryan_806 Yep he saw the writing on the wall and now has nothing to do with the "skeptics" that turned out to be "classical liberals" (white nationalists). He fell out with Sargon over Brexit and Trump nonsense.
So my mom sends me a lot of conspiracy theories. And they start off like this one did. And I honestly thought this was gonna be one of those. And it wasn't. And holy crap. This is the funniest and most interesting, boring videos I've ever watched. Also, I now want to play Minecraft
"Boring" lulw
So send her a lot of TRUTH videos but hype them EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as she no doubt hypes conspiracy videos. Play dumb.
Elon: Well for the busiest tunnels we should make ramps.
Me: So... a normal tunnel?
Yeah except split into smaller tunnels with some complex control system not shown, responsible for merging cars into them at high speed, as well as splitting them into various elevators and ramps.
Tbh not a terrible idea but I'd really like to see that control system in work rather than images of cars going through tunnel. Also yeah, safety concerns, this thing is a death trap in case of fire
@@Ultrasemen It's all right, the "MDU" is getting one car through. Each collision will then create a "user story" allowing the developers to iterate to a safe solution.
sure, why not right?
@@jocramkrispy305 Hilarious
He'll probably call ramps: "Hyper Ramp"
This kind of system would be so much easier to build if it removed one component; the car. Oh wait, that already exists. Why bring your car into the city in a tunnel just to park it all day while you're in the office?
Cuz if we didn't use the car you wouldn't have to buy a Tesla. And that's why Elon doesn't just reinvent trains : you can't get people to buy a Telsa.
As a Floridian, all I can do is LAUGH at this entire idea. We can’t even have basements. 😂
watch the loop become the Great Dismal Swoop
Florida gonna be underwater anyway
There's gonna be a whole bunch of gators in the Loop
@@JRexRegis gator car
My idea is more, if you can't afford to deal with high speed rail, why would you think building high speed rail in a tube would be any easier?
9 months on and this video is still boss, just wanted to shoutout Isambard Kingdom Brunel as being to engineering what Elon Musk pretends to be
Utterly chadly name
He's got what Elon Musk wants, but will never get: a bridge that's been functional for 150 years, engineered by himself, as part of his bigger project, that's been spurring the development of an entire region for one and a half centuries and reminds everyone of his brilliance: his name in big letters on the side.
Has anyone ever told you you sound EXACTLY like Justin Rosniak of the acclaimed podcast Well There's Your Problem, which is a podcast about engineering disasters?
With slides?
which is, in itself, an engineering disaster?
Because he is... In fact, the first WTYP episodes are on this channel.
Yes.
i appreciate this as a video without the anti-sjw and anti-feminist baggage, gotta say. the mention that the beginning that that's your stated goal makes me very happy
yeah same, subscribed to him immediately when he called thundetfoot and the right out lol
I never expect that from critical explainer videos. So refreshing
Yes it's great.
@@trumoocheese4851 same, he was speaking facts
Yup. Soon as he said it I clicked like and subbed.
"If your time is worth 15 an hour and it takes 4 minutes your getting ripped off" --- love it
>me laughing in $3.3/h wages in my city
Here in the Estonian Friedmanian Freemarket Republic, there were actual, serious, high level government discussions about, instead of a rail tunnel that would connect the Estonian and Finnish rail systems and therefore connect Finland, via rail, with the rest of the EU, they actually considered the HYPERLOOP pneumatic train-thingy. To the point that our Minister of Economic Affairs and Infrastructure went to L.A. for some gadgetbahn convention to meet the hyperloop people.
I'm very much in the "JUST BUILD THE FUCKING TRAIN" already crowd, Rail Baltic will be awesome.
International Railway for the win!
Only train allowed is Snowpiercer train with fair and balanced class system in place.
There is also some Finn, who's good at "selling hot air" having his competing tunnel project. He claims that he can get his ready faster than the official bi-state run project. Well, I think that is possible, but would that be any good for us? I doubt.
But Hyperloop? Seriously? That's as good as someone telling me to row a boat from Helsinki to Tallinn and giving me a bag of cash for doing so.
Seriously waiting to get Rail Baltic and the tunnel expansion. As soon as possible please.
Greetings from Finland
why to built when it's easier and cheaper to promise the next or next next guy will do the magic train solution.
It's as if the regular private rail companies don't exist. Look no further than Austria in that regard. Privately run Westbahn beats state owned ÖBB in terms of prices on the lines it serves. And before you jump to the example of the UK and their rail privatisation, keep in mind that the way they sold British Rail led to formation of monopolies on specific routes. Instead of encouraging competition, the government effectively eliminated it.
It just blows my mind that we have something as cool as a goddamn subway, just a train system that moves constantly, operates underground, and people can get on and off wherever they want, and some folks still want to come up with stupid projects that are just the subway but worse
Fundamentally it comes down the the fact that subways are "dirty" and "poor people use them". The rich elite (in America at least) don't want to have to stand next to a bunch of dirty poor people underground.
It's not like this is a problem in the Netherlands or other developed countries, where the rich and poor can mingle freely on public transit because their social class hasn't so completely divided society to the point of inventing fucking magic segregation transportation systems.
We need a modernized, efficient, well-looked-after high-frequency subway which anybody would want to use, and pedestrianize more inner city streets so that bicycles, trams and busses can be used more.
AM/FM. Love everything about this video.
The private sector is only concerned with profit. Well, that may be true but the private sector is also really good at getting things done, in other words it's where highly competent people are found who actually do things that government workers can't do themselves.
Now let's take the public sector. Outside heir traditional roles in policing, firefighting and teaching, what is the public sector concerned with? Mainly pensions and how to fund them. As far as getting things done, it relies on the private sector through contractural arrangements.
So what has been solved by putting public officials on top of private corporations that actually do the work?
It's retarded and completely misses the point. Public transit is NEVER going to fix the problem. Racial politics has emptied virtually every major (and even many minor) cities in America and grew the suburbs. Suburbs are completely unsuitable for PT. The cities are dangerous and mismanaged and mostly bankrupt.
Even when there is minor success in bringing whites back into cities, there is endless bitching about gentrification. Funny enough, most of those neighborhoods are NOT historically black. Most have only been black since the post war period. Everything about the cities is shit and why people who can afford it don't want to live there. The schools are not only complete academic failures, but they are extremely dangerous, especially so for white students.
Furthermore, we are moving in the complete opposite direction. Race is now so poisonous that NOBODY wants to speak honestly about the mess we have made.
tarstarkusz aww hell yeah, got anymore copy pastes from terminally indoctrinated laborers poisoned by capitalism so hard they decide that not only white flight was caused by a nebulous boogie man of “racial politics” which is ostensibly blaming the minorities themselves but also conveniently ignoring redlining, discriminatory loan practices, property covenants, and the withholding of bank funding to develop or supply capital for floor plans in those neighborhoods. With the land owners and banks effectively sabotaging that neighborhood causing those of means to relocate.
Any other choice examples of the rich driving a wedge between races for convenient use in scapegoating peoples differences as the reason why capitalism can be so good, but why it’s not working despite hard work? If not, don’t worry about it. It’s still awesome to see boomers using technology though, knowing that statistically they are about 10 years away from the median percentage of them drawing near the conclusion of their average lifespans. Just knowing they got to just say the things they thought and be just like their mouldering idol, Mickey Rooney, is heartwarming.
+Kyle.. Whatever you THINK happened in the past, the rich (and powerful) driving wedges between the races is what is happening right now. Every problem in society is put squarely on the shoulders of white people, no matter what it is. It is reached the point where our elite openly fantasize about (and think it acceptable) and encourage violence against white teenage boys for the crime of smirking in the first degree!
There are no discriminatory loan practices.
These things are mostly excuses. The Japanese had all their stuff taken and thrown in prison. They faced more hostility after the war than any other group ever did. Lucky for them, no politician ever decided that Japanese grievances could make them a lot of money. So there were no Japanese race-hustlers and no "programs" to make them better and whole again.
This has expanded now to mestizos and really all non-whites in the form of "people of color" which is a ridiculous category which means anyone not white. It is sick and neurotic and has infested our society like a plague.
I think the AM/FM thing is absolutely brilliant.
I do think that with the mention of the Green New Deal as put forward by Alexandria Occasio-Cortez and Ed Markey that this lens deserves to be applied to it as well.
www.documentcloud.org/documents/5729033-Green-New-Deal-FINAL.html
The proposal features:
- A job guarantee
- Mobilisation at a level not seen since WW2
- Sweeping social programs tied in with climate programs like weatherisation and infrastructure renewal
- 100% renewables with a view to decommission America's 99 nuclear reactors within 10 years, because apparently although the foundation of the GND is democratic socialist, keeping nuclear reactors online that provide 60% of the CONUS emission free energy is too socialist: www.utilitydive.com/news/nukes-can-have-small-role-in-green-new-deal-backers-say/547974/
As a leftist the GND exemplifies to me the perfect AM/FM dichotomy. The 100% renewables refrain (presumably, this draft was written in consultation with anti-nuke groups like Sierra Club and NRDC while Ed Markey is famously anti-nuke so it is of no surprise) is fucking magic. It relies upon yet-to-be-invented storage and transmission technology to shunt around vast amounts of intermittent power while industrialising large amounts of otherwise untouched lands with power lines, wind turbines and solar farms. All this so as to address climate change while destroying 60% of existing zero carbon infrastructure that can be upgraded to run beyond 80 years.
The GND also promises to devastate what remains of organised labour in the power sector too. A lot of nuclear jobs are unionised in the US - the sector is heavily involved in vertically integrated, non-privatised public utilities. The "democratic socialist" scheme would propose to destroy all of that and replace them with quite temporary, often contractor-filled, more hazardous jobs in the solar and wind industries.
We have already seen that with Germany's Energiewende that actually implementing such an energy system is highly regressive: www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html . 300000 households have had their power cut due to inability to pay power bills, electricity costs are second highest in Europe, Hambach forest and historic villages were razed to dig lignite, and Germany's otherwise excellent reactor fleet was shut down. Meanwhile emissions are flat, Germany is likely to miss Paris climate targets, and NordStream 2 is being negotiated as we speak, increasing European reliance upon the Russian autocracy.
I would love to see a job guarantee to guarantee a minimum living wage and increase purchasing power parity of the people that matter most in the economy: the poorest. I would love to see infrastructure renewed like improved dams and bridges, many of which date back to the original New Deal. The job guarantee alone would promote a lot of social equality and mobility at a level not seen since the post-war Keynesian consensus that recognised the role of the state in creating jobs and industries.
But the GND as it stands has a pretty large potential to be regressive in all the aspects that it purports to help. Land use and habitat fragmentation will increase, not decrease under a 100% renewables scenario. Power prices will be higher and more volatile (this is needed to support the arbitrage of energy storage devices), making such a grid more regressive to access. Replacing 60% of emission free nuclear power instead of the 80% of fossil fuel primary energy in the US will slow down the pace of decarbonisation.
And all this to appease rich, elite environmentalist donors, often Baby Boomers still traumatised by endless Civil Defense videos and fears of The Bomb.
Imagine being so rich and disconnected from reality that you think that things like these things are cost effective
Cost effectiveness is just math, math is the same regardless of how wealthy you are.
Yeah, imagine being a beurocrat
Imaging critizizing the guy who revolutionized online payment, space travel electric vehicles and recently solar power for having crazy ideas. Sure some of them are crazy. That comes with being a visionary on the level of that guy.
@@Tom-yp7sj Elon Musk is just a modern Thomas Edison. All he does is buy other people's inventions. He hasn't come up with anything himself.
@@Tom-yp7sj so just because he did a cool thing we cant criticize him
It's crazy to me that people think this sort of shit is eminently feasible but good public transport is not.
People seemingly ignore logic when thinking of new ideas. It's like that idea "I'm sure it will be cheaper in another 5 years". We only think that because decent ideas do that, but many things do not as they are already fairly well designed. Once you pass the around 100 year mark there really isn't much more improvements to make.
The biggest problem with public transport is the public.
This video would be so much more useful if the masses of Musk fans in the comments actually watched it.
poor engineers who have to entertain musks lunatic ideas
I mean he is a madman. But if he starts space industry using his money and charisma, working with scientists, it might be worth it.
His money right not the NASA funds tax money. And he's using it to pointlessly pollute orbit space with fucktons of shitty satellites. Way to go Elongated Muskrat
@@valfoin163 how does one even pollute space? It is so big. Also, do you hate internet or wut? Why sattelites bad?
@@principleshipcoleoid8095 Space is very big indeed but satellites in most of it serves no point. Low Earth Orbit is a very specific part of space that's yes big, bt putting up dozens of thousands of satellites there can lead to collisions and shitloads of debris causing more collisons and more debris etcetera. It's called Kessler syndrom u can look it up. And why clearly don't need fukin satellite coverage to have decent internet as we can observe currently,his project is just pretty much getting monopoly on internet and phone coverage which is usually a country's job. Satellites good but sharting thousands of them ofr no reason kinda bad. Peace out my dude
@@principleshipcoleoid8095 the orbit space is not big at all. We are having this problem NOW. It's not a made up thing
I don't really feel like cars live up to the "Freedom" promise when they nosedive in value, require constant maintainence, and have bastardized the way we live to requrie them.
OH yeah, constantly get in each other's way and trick people into thinking they can be improved into a practical replacement for subways.
Are your pictures a front-end of locomotives? It's fitting.
@@muhammadfathonihanif5500 yes. \
Overdependency on cars is a very USA problem. I've lived in the UK and Japan, and in both places you can generally walk/cycle from anywhere to anywhere you like, so long as you have the time.
@@_frection_419 Actually it's also going to be a problem to many developing nations as many of their region and cities are developed after car and motorbike invention. Any old world power won't be affected but every ex-colonised nation will have to struggle with it.
plus you still have to rely on massive amounts of public infrastructure
Quite the rabbit hole lead me to this video. Glad I found it, I've seen a couple of comments saying your voice is boring, but I don't find it that, for me it's soothing. I'm curious if you'll see this comment after this long while. I'm definitely staying on this channel longer.
Hi, glad you're here! Idk where in the rabbit hole you're from, but if you haven't found the Well There's Your Problem Podcast yet, I highly recommend it. It's a podcast about engineering disasters with slides, and is in and of itself a disaster. Roz (donoteat01) is on it with 2 other main hosts and usually a guest or 2.
Not mention the cost of continuously inspecting and maintaining 20 to 30 car loop tunnels compared to a few larger train subway tunnels.
Plus the cost of maintaining the propulsion systems and car elevators.
Imagine maintaining an interstate. Basically that.
@@bilbo_gamers6417 But an interstate that's underground and only takes a few cars at a time. AND there's allot more of them. Plus there would be queuing at the entrances and exits to these.
@@SirPoofyPants I was comparing it to the maintenance of an interstate. It's a huge construction projects, but it's impossible to calculate the cost of it until after it's built.
Bilbo_Gamers Bilbo_Gamers No, that’s not how things are built. It’s the job of engineers and contractors to determine cost before construction starts.
Such projects involve experts and engineers in fields of transportation engineering, structural engineering, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, foundation engineering, soil mechanics, and more.
One doesn’t just jump into a project and hope it works and is cost effective.
Bilbo_Gamers AND one needs to determine if the project is worthwhile before even designing.
A tunnel that only allows a few cars to go at once is a massive waste of space, resources, and money. Your better off having a mass transit such as a subway or a large tunnel to accommodate many cars.
As a Jacksonville native the Mark Brunel jokes almost killed me.
Well played sir.
". . . if only to prove the supremacy of post-modern cultural Marxism over ...... whatever it is the Jordan Peterson does. I don't know much about the guy, I heard it has something to do with cleaning rooms and misgendering people. So, I think he runs some kind of transphobic maid service....."
That earns you a like AND a sub.
lol
Adam Rainstopper your profile picture says it all really. Nasty, vicious, vile bolshevik detected.
Adam Rainstopper, perfectly said. Cheers.
@@z00h If by 'Bolshevik' you mean rule by the people, I would say: cool, I don't mind that kind of 'nasty', the kind that trump despises.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 No, by bolshevik I mean "a deluded idiot" sprinkled with "no capability to reflect on past 100 years of history". I mean, it's not like there is no way to tell what a nasty, vicious ideology it is based on what happened not so long ago.
yes it's a gigantic waste of time, resources and money, but what you're not taking into account is that all that money goes to elon's company so it's actually good
"16 people" = "mass transit"
Compared to real trams that can transport hundreds of people safely and efficiently? Even if it works it's not even that good.
My idea why the hyperloop looked stupid from the first look. It's just the engine of a train with a full train track... Why? Does that not look like it would be artificially limiting passengers?
@@Skylancer727 it does. And because of it´s speed too.
now imagine 40 levels of tunnels in the same direction, thats 640.
@@bjni imagine 40 buses that hold 30+ people that's more and dent require tech that dosent exist yet
Trains and bicycles = Actual Machines.
The bicycle revolution is all people need to minimize cars in cities. Trains and public transport are always beneficial to everyone.
Ironically seeing more people investing in those electric bike hybrids and electric motor cycles (electric bikes as in they have a motor or you could peddle when the batteries die). Thought that was kinda funny.
The Wuppertal Monorail is actually not a gadgetbahn. It was build more than 100 Years ago as one of the first electrical railway systems in Germany. It turned out to be perfect for Wuppertal because this is a stretched industrial city along the small river Wupper. Most of the monorail hovers elevated over the river and it's kind of the only way to build this without using valuable ground in the valley of the Wupper (Wuppertal). One line is building the backbone of the whole public transport. No other city wanted to build an completely elevated train system because you don't want to have your streets filled up with a train like this over the heads. It's also hard to do crossings and switches. In Wuppertal, the Schwebebahn developed to be the icon of the town, people love it and right now it is under construction for a renewal for the next 100 years or so.
Came here to write this. And to add, it wasn't built like this just to not be a train. Originally the city wanted to have a subway, because that's what everbody did at the time, but the ground didn't allow it.
Let me guess another "not tested, thus romanticized flawless invention that came out 100 years ago and was never picked up because it was stupid even back then but for some reason people ignore that fact today"Typical masturbatory material for dumb commies who want everything to be made by the government: 10x as expensive, 2x as late, and with half the features.
Wonder why Elon Musk's rocket company is making each flight for fractions of the cost HMMMMMMMM almost like people who don't have a printing press tend to want to keep their money intact
@@SP-dj9kl You guessed wrong, if you can believe it. It's almost like you didn't read anything.
@@SP-dj9kl Yet some ideas are just retarded from the get-go.
@@SP-dj9kl Yeah I hate "commie shit" like the interstate highways and electric power too 🙄
Its 2022 and boy howdy were we all proved wrong by the unprecedented success of the loop. 100,000 cars per minute travelling seamlessly at 250mph. Truly Elon Musk will forever be known as the man who eliminated traffic once and for all.
Uhh no, not even.
@@Darkloid21 so... odd?
@@Darkloid21 Sarcasm.
With every day my hatred of capitalism grows exponentially.
Chiński Dorian is there a chance that you could provide me with a link to your profile picture good sir?
Capitalism is what gets people out of poverty and creates technological evolution.
What do you think is the alternative to such an effective solution?
@@Matthew-Anthony well it's also the thing that create the idea of poverty
So move to Venezuela or perhaps Belarus... You won't be missed here.
@@samarthtaneja3534 Use Google reverse image search and see if that works
A leftist youtuber who likes public transportation and scientifical criticsm of modern "genius" billionares ideas AND plays cities skylines?!
Man I just met you and I already love you
Hes centerist he chooses based on him not anyone elses
@@basedguns8218 I'd call him: A dude who is a true skeptic and is taking the name back while spitting actual scientific facts.
Mouthier than centrist, but it gets the point across.
Scientific criticism and cities skylines in one sentence. I don’t know about you but my traffic is even after many mods behaving like a two year old. I should say my citizens and their cars.
@@Glenhh Maybe they learnt to drive in Bloemfontein :’)
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 So it's a more inefficient form of saying 'centrist'?
How I see it, skeptics and centrists are almost always thrown into the same boat by their dissenters. If someone hates you for showing even the slightest admiration for one of those leanings, they sure as shit won't like when someone admires the other one.
Of course St Elon of Musk is a genius... Who else has invented the electric car, the rocket, vacuum railways, the tunnel boring machines and the submarine? OK... He did it anywhere up to centuries after somebody else did it but those other people only invented one thing but His Holy Muskiness invented them all.
ALL HAIL LORD ELON FOR HE IS GREAT!
Anthony Handcock To be fair, self landing reusable rockets are pretty impressive, and we're made by his company SpaceX.
Sure you had the Space Shuttle, but that had many issues making it very expensive to refurbish, such as having to check all of the thousands of heat shield tiles by hand, along with other issues.
I don't know anyone who is claiming he invented rockets, just that his company has made several innovations which is making the cost per kilo of payload cheaper.
@@the7045 The self landing rocket is very impressive but I have serious doubts about its future to be honest. I suspect the future is in cheaper disposable rockets rather than re-useable ones. We shall see....
Much of his stuff is BS, but SpaceX is actually making money. Lucky for us that space exploration is his primary motive and not stuff like the hyper loop.
Oh, and rockets that are so cheap that it is worth the cost to just dispose of them instead of bring some extra fuel to land them again is "Fucking Magic".
@@the7045 But once again, self landing reusable rockets happened before Musk.
golden86 Are you talking about the space shuttle? Landing a space plane or using parachutes to slow said space plane's boosters isn't the same as landing a conventional rocket upright on a launch pad. The space shuttle had numerous flaws and arguably failed at its goal to lower the costs of space travel. The cost of launching 1 kg on the space shuttle was estimated to be $18000. For the falcon heavy it's $2200. If your talking about something else I would enjoy hearing about it.
Leave it to Elon Musk to reinvent a subway - and make it worse.
This channel is everything I’ve wanted. Mr plinkett destroys capitalists
Elon Musk has been drinking with Qui Gon
@@mrgaudy1954 Elon is the key to all of this.
@@Eightsixseven23224 ...If we get Elon working. Coz he's a cringier tech-daddy than we've ever had.
@@mrgaudy1954 Elon Musk is defeatable
@@mrgaudy1954 so he's drinking Qui Gon's gin?
pls fix congestion??
NO TAKE PERSONAL CAR!!
ONLY FIX CONGESTION
I don't understand why you drones want to give up your personal freedoms. Less humans, more freedoms. Get rid of humans. More humans, less freedoms. Humans bad.
@@annoythefish cars do not equal personal freedom and they end up constricting things more than they help. Cars are good for some things, but for most transportation needs, public transit is a much more effecient option.
@@krunkformula You city dwellers are like drones, the more people they cram together the more they think like ants. That's very sad. I hope we move away from cities away they are destroyed in WW3, very unhealthy for us.
@@annoythefish
Shut the fuck up Maoist. Nobody asked you.
@@Graknorke
How is a guy who's promoting individualism and fighting collectivist transport Maoist? Those two things are, like, exactly opposite.
What about we just improve public transit and stop using cars.
And create fucking bike lanes !
Because he owns a car company lol why would he want that
crackheads
Try it
@@chairio6212 Yes because god forbid drug users down on their luck are able to use the transit system like any human being.
"And also Anita Sarkeesian is fine."
#SoBrave, now prepare for dozens of response videos from those goons where they attack your arguments on engineering based entirely on your inability to hate Anita for no reason.
Also, that old-timey music on the "future of transportation" segment made me think... this really is just an old Disney thing isn't it? Musk is just doing Autopia but with two rails instead of one.
You liked your own comment.
Elon Musk is the most disappointing thing since my son
How embarrassing
LOL!
oh my god
Lmao
What's wrong with your faaaace
loop de loop more like poop de scoop
Scoop de loot.
@@starshot5172 Musk would invent the afterlife if he could he would.
idk man i think its a brilliant partial solution to a problem that doesn't exist and if nothing else the epitome of marketing and hype over engineering and substance, a true reflection of the age in which we live, an age in which no matter how stupid or ill conceived the idea with the right cultist at the helm things can... sort of be half arsed... an age where people are so desperate for something...ANYTHING to be done that even this seemed like a better idea than the alternative offering...which was ..to do nothing and hope that the traffic fairies would solve the issues in the night because gods be damned if we arent terrified of long term urban planning commitment and spending public money on the dull but practical thing in life...
aw man you reminded me i shoulda done a segment in there on market stalinism
oh well, next time i guess
@@donoteat01What's market Stalinism? Yugoslavia?
@@autumn4142 “The idealized market was supposed to deliver ‘friction free’ exchanges, in which the desires of consumers would be met directly, without the need for intervention or mediation by regulatory agencies. Yet the drive to assess the performance of workers and to measure forms of labor which, by their nature, are resistant to quantification, has inevitably required additional layers of management and bureaucracy. What we have is not a direct comparison of workers’ performance or output, but a comparison between the audited representation of that performance and output. Inevitably, a short-circuiting occurs, and work becomes geared towards the generation and massaging of representations rather than to the official goals of the work itself. Indeed, an anthropological study of local government in Britain argues that ‘More effort goes into ensuring that a local authority’s services are represented correctly than goes into actually improving those services’. This reversal of priorities is one of the hallmarks of a system which can be characterized without hyperbole as ‘market Stalinism’. What late capitalism repeats from Stalinism is just this valuing of symbols of achievement over actual achievement.
[…]
It would be a mistake to regard this market Stalinism as some deviation from the ‘true spirit’ of capitalism. On the contrary, it would be better to say that an essential dimension of Stalinism was inhibited by its association with a social project like socialism and can only emerge in a late capitalist culture in which images acquire an autonomous force. The way value is generated on the stock exchange depends of course less on what a company ‘really does’, and more on perceptions of, and beliefs about, its (future) performance. In capitalism, that is to say, all that is solid melts into PR, and late capitalism is defined at least as much by this ubiquitous tendency towards PR-production as it is by the imposition of market mechanisms.”
― Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?
@@autumn4142 I'm sure you were just trying to be funny and didn't expect this, but I'm actually from Yugoslavia and it didn't have anything to do with Stalin. In fact en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito-Stalin_Split
Nor did we like Tito that much, he was an autocrat as they come. Likely installed by Western "democracy". Whoever liked him was an idiot. And those who didn't like him publicly, well.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_Otok
Please do your best to cease spreading misinformation. If you know very little on the subject, act accordingly.
Yugoslavia is not a laughing matter nor is it as simple as you might think, be at least thankful you didn't have to live through three horrible wars, and economic hell that binds it all together.
All of it was done for geopolitical reasons, by foreign intelligence agencies, and none of it has nothing to do with anyone's opinion on Serbs, Croats or whatever. People are people everywhere, and your ignorant behavior seems to confirm this.
It's not my fucking fault I got born right in the middle of two (or three) grotesque ideologies each fighting stupid proxy wars for planetary dominance, and your generalizations do not apply. But rest assured it's your fucking fault for providing a medium for the hatred and for giving lift to much deeper misunderstanding, misanthropy and ultimately dystopia.
It'll come around. It always does.
@@milanstevic8424 It was less of a joke and more of a query, though I don't think "market stalinism" is an accurate representation of Yugoslavia, I was asking if that's what donoteat01 meant. I do know that Stalin and Tito didn't get along to put it nicely, and that they had different ways of doing things. I'm not going to address the rest of your comment because there's factual claims I could dispute but you are clearly not in the mood for that and most people don't take comment sections as legitimate sources of information without them citing things (I hope).
"But rest assured it's your fucking fault for providing a medium for the hatred and for giving lift to much deeper misunderstanding, misanthropy and ultimately dystopia. It'll come around. It always does."
I have no clue what you mean by this and I don't really care to find out.
I hope you have a nice day and find a more productive outlet for your anger than yelling at internet randoms over comments relating to your former country.
(Yes I did edit my own comment, because the basis from where this was left off induced me to make statements that on second thought weren't accurate representations of my own actions or thoughts, this has been changed for obvious reasons)
Oh how prophetic this was. Time for an update.
What happened?
@@sawyernorthrop4078 also check this out, made just before the Las Vegas Loop opened and more in-depth than this video: th-cam.com/video/sWvagC5ccyY/w-d-xo.html
First time I saw concept animation for "the loop" all I could think of was how 8 lanes of interstate become the world's longest parking lot as everybody tries to navigate the on/off ramps.
The second thought to cross my mind was a 1940 sci-fi short story by Robert Heinlein called "The Roads Must Roll" in which a whole lot of "FM" gets brought to a stop by the discontented technicians who maintain the moving roadway.
The geotechnical issues in Los Angeles also include oil and gas deposits. They accidentally blew up a building (fortunately nobody was in it at the time) when they were building the subway. Even if you could run a TBM as fast as Musk is claiming, you need extensive geological assessments before you even start.
Also I can't believe the company's own animation shows a gaping hole in the street after the elevator descends. No safety issue there!
The gaping holes can be fixed by places rails. no big deal. But the geological studies... good luck that with that one. I can already smell the lawsuits, especially in LA where they sue developers for petty things. Mr. Musk should just go to the middle east like Dubai. Transportation revolutions are not possible in the USA. We can barely get a bullet train in California. I cant imagine tunnels and hyperloops.
The gas explosion you’re referring to actually had nothing to do with the red line tunneling, which hadn’t started construction and was nowhere near where they were building the red line.
The gas explosion happened in 1985 at a Ross on 3rd and fairfax in the miracle mile district. The first phase subway tunnel being built was built from Union Station to MacArthur Park.
But you are right that they used that as an excuse to bad subway construction on the west side of LA.
@@RappinPicard And facts for the win once again.
Third watch through of this and I just now noticed in the Skylines demo of the loop ramps the middle of the screen is two rails of high speed rail just zipping by all the traffic
This video makes the case for public transportation so perfectly and breaks down the grifting that's apparent in all these "gadgetbahn" ventures.
So i became familiar with you when you were on 'Three Moves Ahead'. Being very politically active i was positively surprised by how you linked urban planning, socio economics and video games. You didn't say so explicitly i think but it was evident that you thought most city builders to be the ideologized dreams of neoliberal game devs naively worshipping the tech boom as the future of city economies.
You remind me of an essay i once read by the geographer and marxist professor David Harvey for my graduate studies a few years ago. That essay really made me interconnect the way cities are built and organized with how we organize our economy socially.
Anyway, thank you for existing and not falling into either of two categories 1). The "politically" aware youtubers who worship technological development as an end unto itself that will make ideology irrelevant or 2). The "non-political" youtubers who believe city builders to just "reflect reality".
Also fuck Elon Musk.
Jesus. I found a voice of reason. This is the first time I've seen the glaring issue with a city "loop" highlighted - the fact that you go from a high speed flow to cars sitting at rest. Anyone who's ever designed systems requiring analysis of latency, capacity (bandwidth) and buffering knows this.
@Photonic Field They're talking about how you have to go from the super-fast underground lane to the slow ground-level street, and how the transition is going to make traffic jams, not about the possibility of accidents. And accidents can still occur, you have to account for those, even if the AI is perfect (and if you know anything about computer engineering, you know they will happen a lot)
OH hell any understanding of supply chain management you would think would do the trick but..
@Photonic Field I think he was referring to what would happen if you so happened to need to stop.. the first car has an incident (not just coming to a complete halt?) and then because of the stopping capacity of the subsequent cars, there would be a huge pile up.
Tunderf00t has done several in depth studies on this.
Tiny Brain: Cars on rails
Large Brain: Conventional trains
Galaxy Brain: Genetically engineered traingirls
Multiverse brain: Ascended stargate connected 4D trans monorail women
AIRABUMAISUTESHON CHIRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRI
Universal brain: hover arounds
Smarter Brain: Faster trains that are underground so they arent in the way.
oh what was that? a hyper loop? you dont say?
What is a "SUBWAY" ?? The sandwhich place? OH oh its a thing that is fucking amazing everywhere they exist? that thing no one ever is stupid enough to claim is a stupid idea LOOOOOOL ? Hyperloop = faster subway, but these fuckin morons complain LOOOOOL. Its ok. STUPID PEOPLE DONT DESERVE NICE THINGS ANYWAY
@@radbug
faster subway = faster subway.
We really need to just accept that personal transport is going to be a bicycle or your feet in the future.
...or trains. Just build a train.
@@RailwayScholar Well a train isn't personal transportation. It's mass transportation. Though it is of course the best transportation option (unless in very rural areas).
@@lars7935 Oh, I see what you mean. I always refer to personal transportation as automobility, so I misunderstood.
What about litters carried by slaves?
@@grahamstrouse1165 what
Wanna take this opportunity to say Mark Brunell was the most underrated quarterback of the 1990s. Feel like donoteat is not going to touch on the career of the dual-threat lefty Mormon qb ever again. Thanks. Also i don't think you should knock the loop because getting engulfed in a tunnel-wide chemical fire in my rich person car would present a cool way to die and I would like to die that way
Like a Mr. Plinkett review, but for civil engineering. Well done.
I just started watching, does this guy have hookers trapped in his basement too?
OMG this is so accurate.
elon musks loop was the most disappointing thing since my SON.
@@fabianchitay745 his third son, Elon mUsk
dumb mara which is saying a lot, because Elon Musk IS my son
So the loop and the hyper loop both have the interesting characteristic of a single accident has the potential to kill everyone in the system at the time.
Capitalism requires risk. This is a risk I am willing to take. That is the difference between socialism and capitalism.
-Albert Fairfax II
@@albertfairfaxii4361 Im a very smart man because I can quote myself even if it does not make sense.
-Albert Fairfax the fucking 2:The second one
@@albertfairfaxii4361
"Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make"
-Lord Farquaad.
@@acassiopeia6439 Just what I was about to say 😆
So does an Airplane. The Risk to Reward ratio is still worth it
In the original proposal with the cars driving onto the skates I've always wondered where all those skates will be stored when not in use and where will they get serviced? Even if the actual number of skates needed throughout LA is just a fraction of the total cars being driven that has got to be a massive number. If traffic patterns become unexpectedly heavy at some locations the elevators could run out of skates. The skates would need to drive themselves to other elevators and constantly redistribute themselves. It would be kind of like the "bike share problem" where you can find yourself at a stop with no bikes available. If the same skates are repeatedly being used throughout the day at 150 mph the tire wear as Justin suspected must be horrendous. I guess trying to logically figure this out is too much of a fools errand.
Just the idea of limitless building space is just crazy. No place on Earth has unlimited building place underground, specially not... You know, the highly urbanized centers which actually need to move so many people. Dig a meter of soil on most big cities and you just hit the sewer, maybe a gas line, internet and electricity as well. All without mentioning "rotten soil" which is soil where cave ins are pretty much bound to happen if you dig only a couple of those tunnels and fill it with traffic.
>picture of Hitler
>"low tolerances"
I'm dead