This video simply caught my interest by its title; I was raised up in a communism public housing in South Central China. The public housing in China were considered as middle (or even upper class) housing in 1950s-1990s, since they were mainly assigned to employees of state-owned Enterprises. The state had gradually lost control over these apartment since 1990s, then residents began to ignoring building regulations, modified their units base on their own needs and aesthetics. As a result, most of these buildings looked more like a dirtier version of Hundertwasserhaus or Cyberpunk-ish highrises in Hong Kong rather than a concrete block. (Even some "civil societies" or "communes" emerged in these public housing neighborhoods after the state's departure, as local residents actively filled the void left by the state.) I don't know whether you are interested in public housing in East Asia or not - they can be fascinating examples of governmental housing policy (especially in HK and Singapore), property management rights, rent control or city culture. They also created a social class/group in East Asia countries, the Shimin or "Urban-dwellers" (the same meaning as the literal meaning of "bourgeois" and is class-neutral), as the "urbanization" process in East Asia is equal to "stuffing people into new housing projects in the edge of the city." Edit: typo
More please! My girlfriend is Chinese, and I've always found it interesting how she lives with so many people but never engages in any interactions with the neighbours. That's unthinkable where I come from, but I'm from the northern netherlands which is not very densely populated. The closest I get to a similar experience is that I'm living in a cheap appartment building that I share with two roommates.
@@theothertonydutch if it makes you feel better my mom is from china and shes always telling me wacky stories about her neighbors from the apartment building where she grew up
Definitely depends on area and the person. How long did she live in Chengdu? What was the neighborhood type? Where was she originally from? Those probably influenced how she interacted with neighbors. @@theothertonydutch
Seeing "Urban Renewal" being used as an excuse to tear down neighborhoods to build stadiums with public funds and all I can think about is the Hill District in Pittsburgh during the 1950s when the whole community (of mostly African Americans) was cut off from the city and put into permanent poverty due to the construction of the Civic Arena. Hell that arena isn't even there anymore and the city/Pittsburgh Penguins have refused to move on building stuff there (our Mayor tried to use it as a bargaining chip for Amazon by giving that land for free for their HQ2!)
Some areas have tarnished it beyond repair. A town near me tore down dozens and dozens of houses under 'public domain'. Many residents, even those not directly affected (besides now their property values would drop) tried suing but the courts were in the town's pocket. The town was paying out under market value. The value plummeted after talk of using 'public domain' was used. Rent and taxes in that area went through the roof. Property tax is now something like 2x the neighboring towns and anything else within about a 30 minutes drive. The land has sat vacant for a decade or more now.... The town won't approve anything. Makes you wonder who they had planned on and who would make money, right? Follow the money...
@@JoeSims1776 I finished reading mutual aid and now I'm mid way through your other book, it's a bit dry but it will help me own the libs so it's worth it
Your piece about red Vienna felt kinda incomplete tbh. Sure, the Nazis put a big dent into the project, but after the war the city pretty much picked up from where they left of and kept building these communal buildings well into the 2000s - about a third of the total population lives in one of the cities apartments today, making the city the biggest landlord in the world. It also greatly contributes to keep rents low overall. Seems like a pretty important point for an episode like this
Before he died her husband was a police officer by day and a bartender at mr cacciatore's bar over on sullivan street. He was never home and died in a police shootout
The real key to success in Cities is to cram as many people as possible into as little space as possible. Because happy, well-educated people pay more taxes and make less mess, you want to keep the all schooled and entertained, and ideally moving as little as possible. Then your biggest issue is trash and corpse disposal. You'll need a corpse incinerator for every major residential neighborhood. It's best to deal with all your trash via recycling so you don't need as many industrial shipping hubs. So an ideal town according to the game's mechanics is a series of ultra-dense, largely isolated microcommunities supplied by garbage where the dead are burned for fuel. It's dystopian, but in a nice way!
*extremely libertarian voice* i'm mad mrs. o'leary exists because she makes me think about poverty, isnt there a way we can move her and others like her to some sort of camp
@@albertfairfaxii4361 could I suggest some Kingston economics lectures? They're not by Marxists or Socialists, but by a moderate left winger who provides real world evidence for the failure of capitalism's market equilibrium, with or without government intervention.
I lived in Greenbelt, MD for 2 years. My first apartment ever was there. The Co-Op part of Greenbelt is known to everyone as "Old Greenbelt." The modern city of Greenbelt however remains one of the more expensive parts of Prince George's County, MD. A 30 year old 3 bdrm townhouse can easily run you $300k to purchase and a LOW-END 1 bdrm apartment will cost a minimum of $1200 a month (w/o utilities). The ironic thing about "Old Greenbelt" is that today it is the OLDEST (Boomer Central), WHITEST, WEALTHIEST part of town even though they have the lowest cost of living.
That doesn't seem ironic at all - it's the classic Boomer mindset of "Fuck you, got mine (lovely co-op low cost of living)", or "pulling the ladder up behind them".
I also really appreciated it, since its a lot of info to take in and having a small break just to think/check phone helps my attention span, personally
"Man, an intermission is a great idea, but I can't believe he didn't put on music. I'm just going to be thinking about that old intermission jingle" [That old intermission jingle plays" Donoteat you absolute madman, I can't believe you did it.
Wow, forced redevelopment is a nightmare. I'm glad the cats are okay. I wasn't expecting high-density residential to be so inefficient, but I see your cases for it being high-maintenance.
Dunno if it's a UK thing, but I've always felt way safer in public highrises like the one I reside in now. You get to recognise the neighbours on your floor, and generally don't see anyone else about, beyond occasionally meeting their new partner or one of their friends. You definitely don't get experiences like things thrown or fired through the windows, or someone breaking in through a window and burgling you (unless you live on the bottom couple of floors, as happened to one guy I know in this place) which keeps happening to my houseowner friends and which I've experienced myself while staying with them. You can't throw anything this high, and it's just not worth hauling all your electronics down 20 flights of stairs, or getting caught while loading up the lift. Literally the worst that has happened to me in 20 years living here is one time some drunk outside the front door of the building assaulted my dad who was visiting me, which could have just as easily have happened on any street, but at least was caught on the door's entry camera. Oh, and one time someone stole the number off the front of my door. No idea why.
While I didn't live in a high rise, I did grow up on a council estate in the north of England, and I completely agree. The sense of community there was wonderful and my neighbours were such a diverse and lovely bunch. There's something humbling about living in a community of shared financial struggle, and sure, we had a little crime, but I never felt outright unsafe at all. Kids were always playing out on the street anyway! I'm in a much better place financially now but I still look back on those days very fondly, and I keep in touch with some of those neighbours. Nowhere I've lived since has compared to the community I had there.
This series is a real eye opener, and answers particularly question I have had for a long time about the economies of these giant towers versus the smaller developments.
At around 50 minutes you showed a couple of NYC public housing communities. The second of the two you showed is actually a private community, not public, called Stuyvesant Town/Peter Cooper Village. It has the look of a project from the outside but it’s been private since it was built by Met Life in the late 1940s. Rents are generally market-rate but there’s an annual lottery for some rent-controlled “affordable” units. It’s a great place to live in the city!
I was just bouta comment this lol. I used to live a couple blocks away and visit friends there all the time. It's a really nice place to live for those that got in a while ago such as the many families and seniors living there for waaaay below market rate with rent control. Because it's private, rents have soared in recent years to the point that market rate rents are like $5000 a month for a 1 bedroom and the only people moving in are med students and yuppies who live in cramped ass apartments, as @Hamilton Chang said. It's the same situation in many other New York buildings that were previously in affordable housing projects, such as the complex on the bottom at 25:06(which is were I used to live). Luckily, New York is still building high quality buildings with affordable units. Buildings such as Hunter's Point South in Long Island City have a majority of their units below market rate and rent controlled, even though they are managed by private companies.
It's pretty funny that your talk about deficits made me think about that exact Citations Needed podcast (which was an incredible eye-opener for me, I never realized how barefacedly a lie it is when politicians levy around allegations about The Budget and The Deficit like anyone actually cares about those or like there is ever any real chance of paying that off) to the point where I brought it up in another tab and was prepared to listen to it again front to back, and then you mentioned it in your narration like you were reading my mind, ten days in advance.
"The reality of the situation, is actually somewhat more complicated than government mind control drugs" XD It's kind of amazing how self-refuting most conservative policy positions are.
I don't think I've ever commented a TH-cam video, but this... is. just. excellent. I'd consider myself pretty well versed in housing stuff (in Europe) and what you did here is just so informative, balanced AND fun to watch! Also, mixing Cities: Skylines with urban policy is pure genius. Looking forward to dig into your older videos and I'll be patiently waiting for my first patreon support to transform into pure goodness :)
in the next installment, time allowing, can you cover the increasing trend toward leasing public housing land for private development, as mayor de blasio is currently attempting to do with the space currently occupied by parking lots in our public housing here in new york?
Your content is always great, but it's also fascinating seeing how much the presentation has evolved, you can really tell you're spending a lot of time and effort on this project, which is much appreciated.
I worked for an hvac company that serviced a local public housing project in a rural/suburban area on an island outside a city. It was exclusively for older folks, at least my complex, with a lot of grandkids living there too. At some point before we took over, a couple things happened. One, around 5 years prior, most of the systems were replaced (every unit had an individual split system). In a residential air handler the blower motor is going to be one of two types of motor, an older style called PSC that generally costs about $75 and there’s an ECM which is more like $250-$300 for a non oem replacement. Not being experts in hvac equipment the housing authority was sold air handlers that used the ECM motors. These were not high efficiency units where there are benefits to the more complex ECM motor. ECMs were presumably used because electrical engineers are deeply intellectually lazy and uncreative people who should mostly not be allowed to have semiconductors. This shouldn’t have been so bad though, even for a project with so many units to compound the cost, most of these motors should run for a decade if not outlive the rest of the air handler. That’s where the second thing comes in. Some absolute dipshit weasel accountant saw the column for air filter costs per month and figured they could pass that responsibility off to the tenants. None of them ever changed their filters, pretty quickly killing a shitload of blower motors. After saving a couple grand on filters for about a year, they started spending that every month on motors. The tenants aren’t really to blame, that was an entirely predictable outcome. They mostly didn’t have cars to drive 30 minutes to Lowe’s. They probably weren’t well informed on what they were supposed to do. Plus, they were all low income and they don’t pay to have repairs done, which is good. But to get people to do maintenance in that case it has to be a pretty low bar to avoid a pretty big hassle and it just wasn’t. In fall of 2019 they laid off the county maintenance guy who cut the lawn and cleared clogged drains, and they stopped sending out service calls. Hopefully another company got it but I drive by a lot I’ve never seen trucks there.
Michaels, Patricks, Benjamins, Mathews, James... it's like half your support comes from cat'lic boys. I guess that bit about the Mike's houses in the highway video really spoke to people
So this video is old but I just wanted to say I noticed when you showed Peter Cooper Village in NYC in the episode. My relatives applied to move there in the 70s and moved in during the 80s. That's how long the waiting list was for public housing there. It's pretty nice there still, but it's now largely become housing for the wealthy. So it's original purpose of working class housing has failed.
i sobbed watching this in preparation for the new video. the fact of the matter is simple; there is no emotional inurement to the cruelty of capital citybuilding. any attraction capitalism has at the “lemonade stand” model that inures capitalism through infantilism is rendered inure by this level of confident exposure.
Why can't cat lovers like me and Mrs. O'Leary catch a break and find affordable housing that allows pets and doesn't have absurdly expensive pet deposits along with pet rent? I just want to take care of some fuzzy creatures damn it!
Hey i don't have a lot of money but I do know about audio editing and if youre willing, I'd throw a gate, some EQ and some compression on your voice audio for free as a way of supporting you. The lo-fi sound is kinda your brand though, so I'm cool either way. Ill probs also give you a dollar on patreon
Across the river from the "NYC Public Housing" complex you showed which was mentioned in the below comments as no longer public housing, is the Queensbridge Houses in Long Island City, which is the largest public housing complex in the United States. God help them if Amazon decides they need that space.
'urban renewal program' tries its hardest to sound like 'main street renewal program', but where main street renewal programmes are basically town celebrations and street parties/events and restoration of historical properties (or at least holding them so they're not demolished) and lower bars of entry to open up new local business along the street, in an effort towards bringing a community that had started losing touch back together, urban renewal is the evil twin where they throw away any remaining community for the highest bid in a speculation racket for the capitalist god of growth and profit. it's kinda creepy. (and main street renewal programmes can also have problems or be conducted poorly or without actively helping those who need the most help--and definitely do nothing in suburbia--but it is wild to see the difference between the main street revival of my rural town versus the urban renewal programs. it seems largely to do with: this community has a lot of fallbacks for our above avg poverty rate, especially for the population (the food/shelter systems vs capita breaks down to smth close to 1:1250 capita--the poverty rate 13-14% vs avg 11% and the homeless shelter sees about a dozen avg beds filled but stays open regardless of occupancy). a lot of the renewal has been to promote such fundraising like an annual school supply drive at the community centre to give students the things they need for school if their family needs the help; remainder is donated to the school directly. there are sidewalks everywhere that lead to a park from almost the entire surrounding blocks of the village proper, which leads to main street as well. so the needs of the most unfortunate are not left unseen, but it also means the growth of the area is relatively slow. money for the projects are locally circulated, some of it is federal grants, but a lot of it has come from nonprofit shops, and taxing the everliving shit out of nonlocal business (which has kept the walmarts and other garbage from bothering to set up). it really highlights the stark difference between what urban or suburban areas call renewal, and what a dedicated community would call renewal. i know a good, late friend of mine from detroit talked at length to me about detroit renewal destroying the small, somewhat flourishing 'renewal' community of black business and such for profit, the same 'focus on needs, party with the leftovers' applied to those sections of detroit. it isn't a case that rural is better for renewal. but the same rules apply. he even called it black main street, and also mentioned money circulation as well. of course, it was obliterated by imminent domain.)
Interesting. In Portugal public housing started in the 40s/50s and it consists of groups of five to ten buildings about 5 stories tall and surrounded by a garden with trees and bushes everywhere and pedonal streets. Also they are everywhere in cities, so you have rich, middle class and poor people living in the same area and streets! So when people go to the cafes, shopping, etc there isn't such a big class distinction (I heard that for example in Paris social neighbourhoods are like giant ghettos in the suburbs and that's bad). Of course living in public housing isn't the best thing, as the apartments are small and many times close to more noisy areas, but they are well maintained (at least in the city I live)
There is a very different environment in South Korea, where tall tower blocks have taken over. They are mostly privately built but there are interesting design differences. Their tower blocks tend to be made to minimize interaction with strangers. It is interesting to compare them to the soured image of that type of building in the west.
If I recall correctly, Sim City 4 had 'public housing' under the category of low-cost high-density apartment towers simcity4buildings.net/index.php?lang=eng&page=wohnen&wohlstand=1&id=509#509 - as an example
I can tell these videos take a lot of work. Whether you are done or not, I enjoyed them to no end. Please keep making content, even if it is lower quality to save you time and energy. You set a high bar in this video (embarrassed by how many times I watched it). Don't feel like you have to hit it again.
This was a very good informative video, explained everything in excellent detail, with a great source of information and images. Thank you ever so much for this video, this is the first time I have watched a video of yours. I've subscribed.
The Pruitt Igoe part almost made me throw my phone. I pretty sure shitty dudes all over really did walk out on their families, but an actual STRUCTURAL, LEGALLY ENFORCED POLICY separated families who were already at the bottom of the bottom. This is the type of shit people dont bring up when they talk about blacks in America. I swear before the nth dimensional being I call God, I will lose my shit the next time somebody wants to talk to me about how blacks did it to themselves.
Hey, I was wondering about how you feel about squatters? Are they an empowering way to avoid the housing market and help dismantle capitalism, or are they so socially disruptive that they hurt others in the proccess?
came over from knowing better, amazing work! love the as if it's a real lecture schtick, fun and actually kind of asmr inducing lol. one thing i wanted to mention is that some of the aerial shots had spinning that was too fast imo, was kind of nausea/vertigo inducing. overall though, seriously amazing and fascinating stuff! hopefully we can help to correct the mistakes of our past and make life as good as possible for as many as possible!
Ahh, yes, urban renewal. I'm thinking of the Chavez Ravine where Dodger Stadium now sits. They managed to boot out all the Hispanic families and broke ground in 1959. As a native Angelino, I love my Dodgers, but hate how the stadium got there.
In my city (I live in Poland but I don't know how it is in the rest of the country) sometimes the ground floor is made of smaller flats that are basically public housing for the poor and the flats above are bigger and for more well-off families. Example on the ground level are 4 flats while on the other floors there are 2 flats per level.
@@jankoodziej877 To akurat są raczej budynki w starych dzielnicach w starszych blokach, w nowych osiedlach n obrzeżach to nie funkcjonuje ale jeżeli jest remontowany/budowany blok w tych starszych rejonach to już tak. (edit bo zapomniałem o drugiej części) Parter z tego co wiem jest po prostu z taką funkcją w planie ale nie dam głowy
The ONLY thing I don't like about this video is the fact that the slide projector seems to drift out of focus. Seriously though, the animation was a nice touch, but does not make sense after the first image is sharp. (e.g. 7:00) Other than that, I loved every second of this video!
Iʼm at 8:17 and expect the rest of both videos to be good, but right now my thought is: I also hear the same thing about tech not solving social problems. But I think it says something good about humanity that architects and tech people *try* to solve the various social problems, even if they canʼt succeed because theyʼre using the wrong tools and even if they often make things worse when trying.
What are some good resources to read about historical examples of slum clearance and the usage of eminent domain to force people out of their housing like what you talked about with Miss O'Leary? Or just in general how landlords in the US abuse/displace tenants. It sounds terrible and I'd like to be able to read more in-depth about the subject.
When your using photo's would you be able to provide sources of what the images you are showing? Obviously you might not be able for all of them but be interesting to be able to look more into some of them.
The neighborhood of Ms. O'Leary reminds me of North Philly, especially with how buildings are being demolished in a haphazard way. Does anyone know what is going on in North Philadelphia and if it is related to slum clearance?
Cabrini Green is an important public housing case and a big reason why Chicago is a warzone today. Additionally, their closure has displaced thousands of families to low income rural areas of Illinois, leading to white flight of most businesses and services from those towns. I suppose the political corruption of Chicago and Illinois as a whole makes any discussion about policy a little off-tone for this channel though. I think the ramifications of Cabrini Green are far and above those of Pruitt Igoe.
housing is stored in the balls
Nice
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home is where the balls hang
myrian rose and the balls hang in your chesssstttttttt
"accidentally invented brutalism" - I laughed too much.
This video simply caught my interest by its title; I was raised up in a communism public housing in South Central China. The public housing in China were considered as middle (or even upper class) housing in 1950s-1990s, since they were mainly assigned to employees of state-owned Enterprises.
The state had gradually lost control over these apartment since 1990s, then residents began to ignoring building regulations, modified their units base on their own needs and aesthetics. As a result, most of these buildings looked more like a dirtier version of Hundertwasserhaus or Cyberpunk-ish highrises in Hong Kong rather than a concrete block.
(Even some "civil societies" or "communes" emerged in these public housing neighborhoods after the state's departure, as local residents actively filled the void left by the state.)
I don't know whether you are interested in public housing in East Asia or not - they can be fascinating examples of governmental housing policy (especially in HK and Singapore), property management rights, rent control or city culture. They also created a social class/group in East Asia countries, the Shimin or "Urban-dwellers" (the same meaning as the literal meaning of "bourgeois" and is class-neutral), as the "urbanization" process in East Asia is equal to "stuffing people into new housing projects in the edge of the city."
Edit: typo
Sounds VERY intetresting!
I'd love to hear more.
More please! My girlfriend is Chinese, and I've always found it interesting how she lives with so many people but never engages in any interactions with the neighbours. That's unthinkable where I come from, but I'm from the northern netherlands which is not very densely populated. The closest I get to a similar experience is that I'm living in a cheap appartment building that I share with two roommates.
@@theothertonydutch if it makes you feel better my mom is from china and shes always telling me wacky stories about her neighbors from the apartment building where she grew up
@@luiysia Would you say it depends on the area? My GF lived in Chengdu but is from somewhere else.
Definitely depends on area and the person. How long did she live in Chengdu? What was the neighborhood type? Where was she originally from? Those probably influenced how she interacted with neighbors. @@theothertonydutch
Seeing "Urban Renewal" being used as an excuse to tear down neighborhoods to build stadiums with public funds and all I can think about is the Hill District in Pittsburgh during the 1950s when the whole community (of mostly African Americans) was cut off from the city and put into permanent poverty due to the construction of the Civic Arena. Hell that arena isn't even there anymore and the city/Pittsburgh Penguins have refused to move on building stuff there (our Mayor tried to use it as a bargaining chip for Amazon by giving that land for free for their HQ2!)
Some areas have tarnished it beyond repair. A town near me tore down dozens and dozens of houses under 'public domain'. Many residents, even those not directly affected (besides now their property values would drop) tried suing but the courts were in the town's pocket. The town was paying out under market value. The value plummeted after talk of using 'public domain' was used. Rent and taxes in that area went through the roof. Property tax is now something like 2x the neighboring towns and anything else within about a 30 minutes drive. The land has sat vacant for a decade or more now.... The town won't approve anything. Makes you wonder who they had planned on and who would make money, right? Follow the money...
Top 2 films with intermissions:
1. Cities: Skylines | Power, Politics, & Planning: Episode 5: Public Housing Part 1
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey
Lawrance of Arabia pretty good too
Kill Bill as it was originally envisioned.
Interestingly the 2003 Irish black comedy "Intermission" starring Colin Farrell and Cillian Murphy doesn't actually have an intermission in it.
@@opheliabawles9646 Lego movie 2 have an intermission
3. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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@@JoeSims1776 I finished reading mutual aid and now I'm mid way through your other book, it's a bit dry but it will help me own the libs so it's worth it
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this intermission was great. I could go check on my pizza. go for a drive. get my tires re aligned. When I get back I havnt missed anything
"58 minutes long"
oh lordy yes
2 minute intermission half-way through. Bahaha~
"Part 1"
I'm failing no nut november
I watched at 1.25 to 1.75 speed, most of the way through, depending on how droningly Mr. Plinket-esque his enunciation got.
Your piece about red Vienna felt kinda incomplete tbh. Sure, the Nazis put a big dent into the project, but after the war the city pretty much picked up from where they left of and kept building these communal buildings well into the 2000s - about a third of the total population lives in one of the cities apartments today, making the city the biggest landlord in the world. It also greatly contributes to keep rents low overall. Seems like a pretty important point for an episode like this
God the SPÖ really was so cool back then huh?
Mrs O'Leary just can't catch a break, poor woman.
Before he died her husband was a police officer by day and a bartender at mr cacciatore's bar over on sullivan street. He was never home and died in a police shootout
Sominboy27 but did he trade in his Chevy for a Cadillacacacacac?
" ... warrants its own episode"
so that's like 10 more episodes you've planned, just from this episode alone
someone needs to keep track of when i say that so i have a list of episodes to do
The real key to success in Cities is to cram as many people as possible into as little space as possible. Because happy, well-educated people pay more taxes and make less mess, you want to keep the all schooled and entertained, and ideally moving as little as possible. Then your biggest issue is trash and corpse disposal. You'll need a corpse incinerator for every major residential neighborhood. It's best to deal with all your trash via recycling so you don't need as many industrial shipping hubs. So an ideal town according to the game's mechanics is a series of ultra-dense, largely isolated microcommunities supplied by garbage where the dead are burned for fuel. It's dystopian, but in a nice way!
*extremely libertarian voice* i'm mad mrs. o'leary exists because she makes me think about poverty, isnt there a way we can move her and others like her to some sort of camp
Get fuuucked
I heard the country is nice
"Blah blah blah... Vichy collaborator." Lmao
His archutectural sketches were real ASS TETIC tho
Hi dad. Keep on radicalising the youvz
Commenting on this video to keep track of the creeping leftism that is invading youtube.
-Albert Fairfax II
@@albertfairfaxii4361 Fuck off AnCap, lmao
@@albertfairfaxii4361 could I suggest some Kingston economics lectures? They're not by Marxists or Socialists, but by a moderate left winger who provides real world evidence for the failure of capitalism's market equilibrium, with or without government intervention.
Once you begin writing books like I have, you no longer have to read. them
-Albert Fairfax II
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To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to under Albert Fairfax II's insane rambling
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Yep, its propaganda time
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I lived in Greenbelt, MD for 2 years. My first apartment ever was there. The Co-Op part of Greenbelt is known to everyone as "Old Greenbelt." The modern city of Greenbelt however remains one of the more expensive parts of Prince George's County, MD. A 30 year old 3 bdrm townhouse can easily run you $300k to purchase and a LOW-END 1 bdrm apartment will cost a minimum of $1200 a month (w/o utilities).
The ironic thing about "Old Greenbelt" is that today it is the OLDEST (Boomer Central), WHITEST, WEALTHIEST part of town even though they have the lowest cost of living.
That doesn't seem ironic at all - it's the classic Boomer mindset of "Fuck you, got mine (lovely co-op low cost of living)", or "pulling the ladder up behind them".
I mean not only "fuck you got mine," of course people are going to be wealthier if they *had affordable housing for 30 years*
New Greenbelt sounds like a great deal from sitting where I am
refreshing to see a fellow pg county resident
Having an intermission might have been a joke on your part, but it is a legitimately excellent thing and more channels should do it.
He premiered the video so it was basically a livestream at one point.
@@flimpeenflarmpoon1353 that makes a lot more sense lol
I also really appreciated it, since its a lot of info to take in and having a small break just to think/check phone helps my attention span, personally
10:38 "built it with concrete and accidentally invented Brutalism" lmaooo
BTW the patreon-only Killdozer episode is really good. You should give this guy a dollar.
"Man, an intermission is a great idea, but I can't believe he didn't put on music. I'm just going to be thinking about that old intermission jingle"
[That old intermission jingle plays"
Donoteat you absolute madman, I can't believe you did it.
Let's all go to the lobby.... Yt homepage pops up.
Wow, forced redevelopment is a nightmare. I'm glad the cats are okay.
I wasn't expecting high-density residential to be so inefficient, but I see your cases for it being high-maintenance.
Dunno if it's a UK thing, but I've always felt way safer in public highrises like the one I reside in now.
You get to recognise the neighbours on your floor, and generally don't see anyone else about, beyond occasionally meeting their new partner or one of their friends. You definitely don't get experiences like things thrown or fired through the windows, or someone breaking in through a window and burgling you (unless you live on the bottom couple of floors, as happened to one guy I know in this place) which keeps happening to my houseowner friends and which I've experienced myself while staying with them. You can't throw anything this high, and it's just not worth hauling all your electronics down 20 flights of stairs, or getting caught while loading up the lift.
Literally the worst that has happened to me in 20 years living here is one time some drunk outside the front door of the building assaulted my dad who was visiting me, which could have just as easily have happened on any street, but at least was caught on the door's entry camera.
Oh, and one time someone stole the number off the front of my door.
No idea why.
Traditional single family houses creep me out for just this reason. We need more social aid polices to decrease the need for anyone to steal to eat.
Door numbers can do some nice decoration
While I didn't live in a high rise, I did grow up on a council estate in the north of England, and I completely agree. The sense of community there was wonderful and my neighbours were such a diverse and lovely bunch. There's something humbling about living in a community of shared financial struggle, and sure, we had a little crime, but I never felt outright unsafe at all. Kids were always playing out on the street anyway! I'm in a much better place financially now but I still look back on those days very fondly, and I keep in touch with some of those neighbours. Nowhere I've lived since has compared to the community I had there.
If I got my degree two years later, I'm pretty sure my Planning Professors would be linking your videos. Thanks for bringing this to the masses.
I've got about 30 credit hours left on my history degree and he makes me want to switch to city planning.
This series is a real eye opener, and answers particularly question I have had for a long time about the economies of these giant towers versus the smaller developments.
At around 50 minutes you showed a couple of NYC public housing communities. The second of the two you showed is actually a private community, not public, called Stuyvesant Town/Peter Cooper Village. It has the look of a project from the outside but it’s been private since it was built by Met Life in the late 1940s. Rents are generally market-rate but there’s an annual lottery for some rent-controlled “affordable” units. It’s a great place to live in the city!
Its packed to the gills with yuppies living 2-3 to a room. Most of the interns and new hires at my company live there with like 5 roommates.
I was just bouta comment this lol.
I used to live a couple blocks away and visit friends there all the time.
It's a really nice place to live for those that got in a while ago such as the many families and seniors living there for waaaay below market rate with rent control.
Because it's private, rents have soared in recent years to the point that market rate rents are like $5000 a month for a 1 bedroom and the only people moving in are med students and yuppies who live in cramped ass apartments, as @Hamilton Chang said.
It's the same situation in many other New York buildings that were previously in affordable housing projects, such as the complex on the bottom at 25:06(which is were I used to live).
Luckily, New York is still building high quality buildings with affordable units.
Buildings such as Hunter's Point South in Long Island City have a majority of their units below market rate and rent controlled, even though they are managed by private companies.
It's pretty funny that your talk about deficits made me think about that exact Citations Needed podcast (which was an incredible eye-opener for me, I never realized how barefacedly a lie it is when politicians levy around allegations about The Budget and The Deficit like anyone actually cares about those or like there is ever any real chance of paying that off) to the point where I brought it up in another tab and was prepared to listen to it again front to back, and then you mentioned it in your narration like you were reading my mind, ten days in advance.
I gasped when I saw the notification of this in my feed.
Me too and now I have to wait till tomorrow
"The reality of the situation, is actually somewhat more complicated than government mind control drugs" XD It's kind of amazing how self-refuting most conservative policy positions are.
I don't think I've ever commented a TH-cam video, but this... is. just. excellent. I'd consider myself pretty well versed in housing stuff (in Europe) and what you did here is just so informative, balanced AND fun to watch! Also, mixing Cities: Skylines with urban policy is pure genius. Looking forward to dig into your older videos and I'll be patiently waiting for my first patreon support to transform into pure goodness :)
in the next installment, time allowing, can you cover the increasing trend toward leasing public housing land for private development, as mayor de blasio is currently attempting to do with the space currently occupied by parking lots in our public housing here in new york?
Your content is always great, but it's also fascinating seeing how much the presentation has evolved, you can really tell you're spending a lot of time and effort on this project, which is much appreciated.
30% of income for rent. Oh boy I would like that.
It's more like 50% for me
@@PurushNahiMahaPurush Then you either earn less than median income, live in a HCOL area or are very lazy/dumb.
@@steemlenn8797 what? How stupid are you mate.
@@frank6842 Yeah, sorry, I was thinking about "first world" only.
@@steemlenn8797 even then man, in Ohio, the minimum wage is $8.10. Ambulance drivers get paid this. Obviously not a living wage.
I gave you a dollar and you gave me an hour of entertainment. good deal bud
As someone who lives in a public housing high rise and deals with the problems of it, it was interesting to watch this video and await the follow-up.
I worked for an hvac company that serviced a local public housing project in a rural/suburban area on an island outside a city. It was exclusively for older folks, at least my complex, with a lot of grandkids living there too. At some point before we took over, a couple things happened.
One, around 5 years prior, most of the systems were replaced (every unit had an individual split system). In a residential air handler the blower motor is going to be one of two types of motor, an older style called PSC that generally costs about $75 and there’s an ECM which is more like $250-$300 for a non oem replacement. Not being experts in hvac equipment the housing authority was sold air handlers that used the ECM motors. These were not high efficiency units where there are benefits to the more complex ECM motor. ECMs were presumably used because electrical engineers are deeply intellectually lazy and uncreative people who should mostly not be allowed to have semiconductors. This shouldn’t have been so bad though, even for a project with so many units to compound the cost, most of these motors should run for a decade if not outlive the rest of the air handler.
That’s where the second thing comes in. Some absolute dipshit weasel accountant saw the column for air filter costs per month and figured they could pass that responsibility off to the tenants. None of them ever changed their filters, pretty quickly killing a shitload of blower motors. After saving a couple grand on filters for about a year, they started spending that every month on motors. The tenants aren’t really to blame, that was an entirely predictable outcome. They mostly didn’t have cars to drive 30 minutes to Lowe’s. They probably weren’t well informed on what they were supposed to do. Plus, they were all low income and they don’t pay to have repairs done, which is good. But to get people to do maintenance in that case it has to be a pretty low bar to avoid a pretty big hassle and it just wasn’t.
In fall of 2019 they laid off the county maintenance guy who cut the lawn and cleared clogged drains, and they stopped sending out service calls. Hopefully another company got it but I drive by a lot I’ve never seen trucks there.
I can't wait. I hope there's a Ben Carson cameo.
I love the slideshow framing device. Very nostalgic.
Plz not a 4 am release
I have an 8 morning tomorrow
move to a real time zone
imagine not being on New York time
that's why i'm on philadelphia time
donoteat01 abolish time zones
Holy shit, this is effectively a feature-length documentary, and it's only part 1! We've truly been blessed.
Michaels, Patricks, Benjamins, Mathews, James... it's like half your support comes from cat'lic boys. I guess that bit about the Mike's houses in the highway video really spoke to people
Please do PJW does not understand architecture, I've been following his architecture takes for a while, I need that video
thank you for your service
The intermission feature is pure genius.
You did a great job of illustrating the violence of this kind of redevelopment
oh fuck its back up
So this video is old but I just wanted to say I noticed when you showed Peter Cooper Village in NYC in the episode. My relatives applied to move there in the 70s and moved in during the 80s. That's how long the waiting list was for public housing there. It's pretty nice there still, but it's now largely become housing for the wealthy. So it's original purpose of working class housing has failed.
i sobbed watching this in preparation for the new video.
the fact of the matter is simple; there is no emotional inurement to the cruelty of capital citybuilding. any attraction capitalism has at the “lemonade stand” model that inures capitalism through infantilism is rendered inure by this level of confident exposure.
Why can't cat lovers like me and Mrs. O'Leary catch a break and find affordable housing that allows pets and doesn't have absurdly expensive pet deposits along with pet rent? I just want to take care of some fuzzy creatures damn it!
Is that some American thing. I know a lot of people who live in social housing with all the pets they want
Hey i don't have a lot of money but I do know about audio editing and if youre willing, I'd throw a gate, some EQ and some compression on your voice audio for free as a way of supporting you. The lo-fi sound is kinda your brand though, so I'm cool either way. Ill probs also give you a dollar on patreon
Across the river from the "NYC Public Housing" complex you showed which was mentioned in the below comments as no longer public housing, is the Queensbridge Houses in Long Island City, which is the largest public housing complex in the United States. God help them if Amazon decides they need that space.
He showed it in the video immediately before he showed Stuy Town lol.
Yup, just had a second look.
I love the subtle reference to Shaun. Great stuff man love your work.
JordanPeterson Isthemessiahfornerds-whothinktheyresmarterthantheyare - Thats a long name
'urban renewal program' tries its hardest to sound like 'main street renewal program', but where main street renewal programmes are basically town celebrations and street parties/events and restoration of historical properties (or at least holding them so they're not demolished) and lower bars of entry to open up new local business along the street, in an effort towards bringing a community that had started losing touch back together, urban renewal is the evil twin where they throw away any remaining community for the highest bid in a speculation racket for the capitalist god of growth and profit. it's kinda creepy.
(and main street renewal programmes can also have problems or be conducted poorly or without actively helping those who need the most help--and definitely do nothing in suburbia--but it is wild to see the difference between the main street revival of my rural town versus the urban renewal programs. it seems largely to do with: this community has a lot of fallbacks for our above avg poverty rate, especially for the population (the food/shelter systems vs capita breaks down to smth close to 1:1250 capita--the poverty rate 13-14% vs avg 11% and the homeless shelter sees about a dozen avg beds filled but stays open regardless of occupancy). a lot of the renewal has been to promote such fundraising like an annual school supply drive at the community centre to give students the things they need for school if their family needs the help; remainder is donated to the school directly. there are sidewalks everywhere that lead to a park from almost the entire surrounding blocks of the village proper, which leads to main street as well. so the needs of the most unfortunate are not left unseen, but it also means the growth of the area is relatively slow. money for the projects are locally circulated, some of it is federal grants, but a lot of it has come from nonprofit shops, and taxing the everliving shit out of nonlocal business (which has kept the walmarts and other garbage from bothering to set up). it really highlights the stark difference between what urban or suburban areas call renewal, and what a dedicated community would call renewal.
i know a good, late friend of mine from detroit talked at length to me about detroit renewal destroying the small, somewhat flourishing 'renewal' community of black business and such for profit, the same 'focus on needs, party with the leftovers' applied to those sections of detroit. it isn't a case that rural is better for renewal. but the same rules apply. he even called it black main street, and also mentioned money circulation as well. of course, it was obliterated by imminent domain.)
Here from the Knowing Better Channel in hopes of learning more about housing and mortgages. I'm digging the "next slide" prompt.
Interesting. In Portugal public housing started in the 40s/50s and it consists of groups of five to ten buildings about 5 stories tall and surrounded by a garden with trees and bushes everywhere and pedonal streets. Also they are everywhere in cities, so you have rich, middle class and poor people living in the same area and streets! So when people go to the cafes, shopping, etc there isn't such a big class distinction (I heard that for example in Paris social neighbourhoods are like giant ghettos in the suburbs and that's bad). Of course living in public housing isn't the best thing, as the apartments are small and many times close to more noisy areas, but they are well maintained (at least in the city I live)
Great video, comrade!
There is a very different environment in South Korea, where tall tower blocks have taken over. They are mostly privately built but there are interesting design differences. Their tower blocks tend to be made to minimize interaction with strangers. It is interesting to compare them to the soured image of that type of building in the west.
If I recall correctly, Sim City 4 had 'public housing' under the category of low-cost high-density apartment towers simcity4buildings.net/index.php?lang=eng&page=wohnen&wohlstand=1&id=509#509 - as an example
Cool! My employer got mentioned in a donoteat01 video! wait...
I can tell these videos take a lot of work. Whether you are done or not, I enjoyed them to no end. Please keep making content, even if it is lower quality to save you time and energy. You set a high bar in this video (embarrassed by how many times I watched it). Don't feel like you have to hit it again.
Love the style and presentation, as well as the content, your videos are great edu-tainment!
You got blocked by Streetsblog USA? Heck, I want to hear that story!
"Blah, blah, blah Vichy collaborator"... I lost my sh*t there.
Also nearly spit out my coffee at the Delaware Loophole joke.
Ever so thankful for the intermission; now all I need is a lobby.
Oh, you upgraded your mic? It sounds much better!
This was a very good informative video, explained everything in excellent detail, with a great source of information and images. Thank you ever so much for this video, this is the first time I have watched a video of yours. I've subscribed.
Is that the Roman from Empire Earth?
@@MrJimheeren yes it is lol
@@bradleybrand0 fucking loved that game, start in the stone age and end with space lasers
Oh good, it's back!
Where is the "RENT CONTROL" shirt
The Pruitt Igoe part almost made me throw my phone. I pretty sure shitty dudes all over really did walk out on their families, but an actual STRUCTURAL, LEGALLY ENFORCED POLICY separated families who were already at the bottom of the bottom. This is the type of shit people dont bring up when they talk about blacks in America. I swear before the nth dimensional being I call God, I will lose my shit the next time somebody wants to talk to me about how blacks did it to themselves.
Fuck. This is good stuff. Very historically written.
Commenting for the algorithm.
Hey, I was wondering about how you feel about squatters? Are they an empowering way to avoid the housing market and help dismantle capitalism, or are they so socially disruptive that they hurt others in the proccess?
came over from knowing better, amazing work! love the as if it's a real lecture schtick, fun and actually kind of asmr inducing lol. one thing i wanted to mention is that some of the aerial shots had spinning that was too fast imo, was kind of nausea/vertigo inducing. overall though, seriously amazing and fascinating stuff! hopefully we can help to correct the mistakes of our past and make life as good as possible for as many as possible!
This is fantastic. Just unvarnished facts about an important success and an important failure.
Now I want to go back to school and finish my Urban Planning Degree. Although 5 videos into your series I feel like I'm learning more right here.
"capital abhors public control where profit can be made"
Damn, that's some really nice phrasing.
Never stop making videos like this.
I love the side projector. We need more of it.
Ahh, yes, urban renewal. I'm thinking of the Chavez Ravine where Dodger Stadium now sits. They managed to boot out all the Hispanic families and broke ground in 1959. As a native Angelino, I love my Dodgers, but hate how the stadium got there.
In my city (I live in Poland but I don't know how it is in the rest of the country) sometimes the ground floor is made of smaller flats that are basically public housing for the poor and the flats above are bigger and for more well-off families. Example on the ground level are 4 flats while on the other floors there are 2 flats per level.
I have never heard of such mix of public and private housing in Poland. What city is that?
@@jankoodziej877 W niektórych dzielnicach w Trójmieście
@@hobbesfield1082 I to są nowe budynki? Jak to działa dokładnie, miasto wymusza na deweloperze jakiś udział mieszkań socjalnych w każdym budynku?
@@jankoodziej877 To akurat są raczej budynki w starych dzielnicach w starszych blokach, w nowych osiedlach n obrzeżach to nie funkcjonuje ale jeżeli jest remontowany/budowany blok w tych starszych rejonach to już tak.
(edit bo zapomniałem o drugiej części) Parter z tego co wiem jest po prostu z taką funkcją w planie ale nie dam głowy
I recently learnt about ethnographic fiction as part of my anthropology degree and the story of Mrs. O'Leary is a perfect example.
The ONLY thing I don't like about this video is the fact that the slide projector seems to drift out of focus. Seriously though, the animation was a nice touch, but does not make sense after the first image is sharp. (e.g. 7:00)
Other than that, I loved every second of this video!
I just started watching your videos, but I love how the thumbnail looks like the Robert Moses biography cover.
Iʼm at 8:17 and expect the rest of both videos to be good, but right now my thought is: I also hear the same thing about tech not solving social problems. But I think it says something good about humanity that architects and tech people *try* to solve the various social problems, even if they canʼt succeed because theyʼre using the wrong tools and even if they often make things worse when trying.
Jezus..those housing companies are the worst criminals..
the quality of your videos is substantial. Thank you!
What are some good resources to read about historical examples of slum clearance and the usage of eminent domain to force people out of their housing like what you talked about with Miss O'Leary? Or just in general how landlords in the US abuse/displace tenants. It sounds terrible and I'd like to be able to read more in-depth about the subject.
watching this drunk and I just about lost it at the "accidentally invented brutalism" bit
I'm in awe of how much I love this fucking channel
When your using photo's would you be able to provide sources of what the images you are showing?
Obviously you might not be able for all of them but be interesting to be able to look more into some of them.
Well this episode just stabbed me through the heart.
Damn, missed you so much. The first few minutes already remind me of modern private prisons, this should be cathartic. And enraging.
26:00 Bless you for your consideration
What did you do to get blocked by Streets Blog USA?
The neighborhood of Ms. O'Leary reminds me of North Philly, especially with how buildings are being demolished in a haphazard way. Does anyone know what is going on in North Philadelphia and if it is related to slum clearance?
Can't wait for part 2!
Isn't the three arrows from the Iron Front, who were basically disowned by the SocDems for being too radical?
Park hill flats in Sheffield in the uk is a good example of ways things can go wrong too
Cabrini Green is an important public housing case and a big reason why Chicago is a warzone today. Additionally, their closure has displaced thousands of families to low income rural areas of Illinois, leading to white flight of most businesses and services from those towns. I suppose the political corruption of Chicago and Illinois as a whole makes any discussion about policy a little off-tone for this channel though. I think the ramifications of Cabrini Green are far and above those of Pruitt Igoe.
cabrini green would require another hour -- which is why i'm doing part 2!
Nice Robert Moses book cover reference.