Hey, all! I just want to thank you for contributing to such a lovely discussion but admit I'm a bit overwhelmed by the volume of your responses. Please forgive me if I do not respond to every comment!
Specs doesn't matter anymore for non profesionals, any camera nowadays take good pics and usable video, user experience, fun an cool factor are what matters
Pro here 35 years in the game - when I pull out my old M8 and 90mm - people stop - I agree that pixels are a myth- I do have other cameras - but this one creates art with every shutter release - even the out of focus ones!!1
You'd actually be surprised how little specs matter for professionals. They just want their camera to not break down. Megapixels is marketing for consumers.
Thanks for mentioning the leaf shutter, with the tiny accessory flash attached, shooting fill flash in daylight is great and is something few current cameras can do. Years ago, i used to shoot with a flash in broad daylight with my Zeiss Ikon Contessa, and i do now with my Lumix LX100 mk i in the same way. I bought an LX100 for a NYC trip in 2019 and fell in love with it. I'm glad Leica has continued with the camera with minimal changes to the controls, the controls are absolutely fantastic for making changes while shooting without fussing with menus or unmarked dials. Considering the capabilities of the camera, which aren't easy to know without using it, the price is a bargain, in my opinion.
Hard to reconcile bargain and Leica in the same breath. Hope the D-Lux8 doesn’t come onto the radar of the TikTok influencers. I don’t want the unavailability and price premium they caused the X100VI I wanted but can’t get to apply to this body. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Amazing video. I sincerely enjoyed and appreciated this. I am an owner of a Leica D Lux 7 and a few older Leica models. I agree with you completely. I own over a dozen cameras, all with higher megapixels. I use my D Lux 7 more than all of them combined. The D Lux made photography fun and a part of my daily life again. I own a behavioral education school system, and travel heavily due to my role. I take the camera with me everywhere. I capture moments I would easily either miss all together or forget all because I enjoy the process of photography with the camera.
The narrative in the introduction it's incredible! It doesn't matter if it's photography, he could be reviewing sewing machines and still be like hearing an awesome tale. Thanks!
Seriously looking into this camera. I use to shoot a d-lux 5 years ago. It was one of my favourite cameras. Recently I have been shooting Fuji but can see how the simplicity of this camera will just encourage me to just go out and use it.
Wonderful analysis of the DLux8 and its positioning and appeal. I have recently purchased the LX100 mk1 and mk ii and GX9 just because of the handling and styling - to add more fun back into the image taking experience that can be dulled by my other full frame and MFT cameras. For me, the unique appeal of the LX100 and the Dlux8 is the external aspect ratio control. This changes the way you approach image taking as you are thinking first about aspect rather than as a post production cropping exercise. There are also some nice monochrome options. Well done Leica! It's what the market wants and needs. Had just received my pre order email from local Leica store but already Sold Out when checking the order status!
Always enjoy your posts and usually go into settings and speed the video up to 1.25 or 1.5...same content without such long pauses...who says you can't buy time. Keep up the great videos love them
I own an lx100 it's very good and you get used to the messy buttons etc. I think this is good for someone who doesn't want to change pocket camera and wants a better experience. Remains to be seen if it is better. Oh I come from a contax G1 for the ones that still remember
I have a G2. Those Contax lenses (by Kyocera, if memory serves) shouldn't be legal. What a steal at those 1990s prices ! I still have them, they're for keeps.
I own well over a dozen cameras. It’s difficult to explain, but it really is different. The look of the photos, the feeling of using the camera, and the experience of creating art. Leica really just has something right that other companies don’t.
I appreciate learning the advantages of the D-Lux 8, but I'm very satisfied with my LX100 II. I think the thing I probably envy most is the new OLED EVF, but the LX100 II still has a surprising list of great features.
The review was great. When I saw the announcement for the D-Lux 8, then saw the price I was impressed. I never even looked at Leica due to the cost. I am definitely looking now. I can see where this camera would fit many people's photographic needs. Thanks for sharing!
I wonder if this camera, which I see is very much like the Panasonic cameras of the same design, will continue to such in dust without any ability to clean the sensor. My LX100's sensor is filled with dust and essentially usable after f/4. I would buy this camera, or the Panasonic version when it comes out, if the sensor was perfectly sealed from outside dust. Otherwise, I find it hard to pay from a camera whose dusty sensor I can't clean.
Hugh, why couldn’t you convince Leica to re-issue their APS-C digital CL? 😊 I love that camera. As you know well, it accepts all the Leica and L-Mount Alliance lenses, M mount lenses with the M-Adapter-L, and Leica R-mount lenses with the R-Adapter-L. I picked up two Leica SF40 flash units for my CL and one I gave away. That flash is larger than the one you showed here, but smaller than the SF60 (which I also have). I wonder if the tiny flash would work on the CL. I was just in Wetzlar for 3 days last week. I didn’t think of looking at the D-Lux-8 and its accessories.
@@christophertan3707 Specifically, what didn’t work? Both the TTL and manual modes work on my digital CL. I think the manual mode provides more control over the exposure.
Nice little review. The leaf shutter is one of the reasons I bought my LX100 (after renting and doing an A-B with it and the Typ 109). I’m hoping it does sell like hotcakes.
Is it dustproof? Old Panasonic LX100 II had problems with dust getting into the lens so I bought a Fuji X-Pro 1 instead. I loved my Panasonic LX3 and LX5 and I'm looking for an alternative
I've had a Sony RX100 VII for a while and have never really warmed up to it. The images are kind of flat and the menu system is a nightmare. I'm a Leica shooter with an SL2 and Q2 but like to have a compact for when I want or need one. I'm contemplating trading the RX100 for the D-Lux 8 for a few reasons, but mostly because it's a Leica and also that it shoots in DNG format. I don't expect it to be an SL2 or Q2, but it would be nice to have the Leica experience with a small carry everywhere camera.
I got into photography because I bought a Panasonic LX2 and frankly the small form factor makes this really appealing. I love my original SL and my M, but sometimes they get in the way and my X100V is somehow not fun to use… Yes I spend too much on cameras and should probably seek help
Hey Hugh, great video! I just wanted to ask, I’m wanting a compact travel camera, with the intention to do wall size prints of the place that I’ve travelled too. Which of the two cameras would you recommend, the FujiFilm X100VI or the Leica D-Lux? I really want to buy the Leica as I love the brand, but not sure if it’s the better option of the two cameras for wall size prints
I've posted this elsewhere but in the light of this review, I think it worth repeating here: I think that Leica may have missed a trick. Had they given it an APC sensor, I think they would have blown the Fuji VI out of the water. You used the term "gateway drug" ... I reckon that would be a gateway drug to the Leica systems. They obviously couldn't do a full frame version because that would wreck sales of the Q3 (and I'd be very surprised if there were ever to be a Q zoom because that would hammer M sales). But I reckon a zoom APC compact from Leica really would be the bee's knees.
If they did release an APC sensor version, they would need to design a brand new lens, which would be much larger to offer similar wide apertures, the body would likely be larger, and would therefore be significantly more expensive compared to the X100VI. There is a wide gap in Leica's 'entry level' offerings in terms of price, so a £2500 Leica APS-C compact would have a distinct price point in their line up, but would put it in a completely different price category to the other enthusiast compacts like the Ricoh, X100VI.
@@GrainOnTheGo I am aware of the Leica CL, but given that it has interchangeable lenses, its not really in the same market segment. Also it retailed for around $2795 body only, you'd have to factor in lens costs on top. Maybe the best comparison within Leica is the Leica X Series, APC fixed lens, with a variety of fixed focal length and zoom ranges. The X Vario was a lovely looking thing. Note the size of the 28-70mm lens, and the slow aperture range required for an APS-C zoom.
@@acliffalay I agree about the lens requirement (obviously) but I reckon that if Leica did produce such a camera and kept the price low (-ish) specifically with the intent to make life as difficult as possible for the competition, they would sweep up all those who would like a Leica but aren't prepared/can't afford to buy into the M and SL systems and would at the same time create a really serious gateway drug for those systems. In terms of price they would need to go for a minimised profit in order to compete but I reckon it would be worth the effort.
I used pro-Nikon & Canon DSLR setups for years...then, one day...I bought a Leica Q2 Monochrom....WOW!....My first ever Leica and it changed everything for me! I was blown away by the image quality, build quality, ergonomic design, and sheer utter JOY factor of using this camera that I could take anywhere with me. I immediately started to understand why Leica has the reputation it has, totally deserved. That's why when I purchased a second-hand Dlux 7 as an accompaniment to the Q2, I was massively disappointed and immediately sold it, it definitely did not have the Leica 'package' to it, it felt cheaply built, something that I expect today from the Asian market camera manufacturers. It wasn't worthy of the RED dot, and not a nice experience to use. Looking at the Dlux 8, Leica seems to have made a good decision and created distance from that market, where they should never have their brand competing. Gibson Guitars did the same for many years and it nearly destroyed their brand, thankfully the new owners have corrected this. Nowadays if you want quality products, especially hand-built or assembled, they come with a heavy price tag, if you want cheap and affordable then expect low quality. It seems that with any product, there seems to be zero middle ground between the two nowadays as there once was years back, which is sad... that unfortunately is how the World is today. I'm fully aware that, unlike all other Leicas, this camera is built in China, but it's obviously tightly QC'd by Leica itself...unlike the Dlux 7 which looked like Panasonic had free reign over it. I'm very much looking forward to trying a D LUX 8 out. Nowadays, I own a Leica Q3 too, which is just phenomenal! They have created something truly amazing there. I also have a Fujifilm Xpro 3 which I love too, hoping for the release of the Xpro 4, but judging by the cheap build quality of their new release models, I'll probably be holding onto the Xpro 3 and further investing in Leica.
I am thinking about buying a camera as a beginner. I am considering either the Leica D-Lux 8 or the Fujifilm X100VI. What do you think? Which one should I buy, or do you have any tips for purchasing one of these two?
It is always a function of what you intend to shoot; your budget; and your priorities. That’s a longer conversation than I can have here. I offer consultations for a fee, but as you are just starting out, I’d prefer you save your money and devour videos on “best cameras for beginners” (dpreview in particular does an excellent job). Happy hunting!
Hi, thanks for your overview of the Lux8. I've one problem. The camera is set as I want it but after power off some of the settings revert to default. eg. DNG reverts to DNG/JPG. I'd be grateful for your help.
Hey, Gerry. Apologies: I only had the camera in hand for a few days during the launch window, so I don't have it in front of me now and can't give you an answer. If the manual has proven inscrutable, I'd join the D-Lux/V-Lux Facebook group and ask there; failing that, I'd call my local Leica Store. Please keep me posted!
@@3BMEP Thanks for your response - understood. The solution I've found is to set the camera menu up as you want then immediately ascribe the settings to the Default or other user profile. All my settings are now constant. Stay well.
I had a problem with my lx100 and it was the dust hitting the sensor during the breathing of the zoom lens. it seemed system wide and I think carried on to the lx100 mk2. Is this design flaw carried over to the dlux? such a shame if so. I was told that in order to clean the sensor it had to be shipped to Panasonic every few months. I made some of my favourite pictures with that camera.
Hugh I totally LOVE your reviews but this one was a bit of a head scratcher. If you go to DPreview and use their side-by-side tool to compare the DLUX7 (I still own the earlier DLUX) and this DLUX 8 it's as you said essentially the same. The prints you gushed over could easily have been made with the PREVIOUS DLux 7. The key seems to be about the "experience" and gestalt which it appears is something to consider when it is SOOOOOO close in visual cues to the Q. If the processor is from the Q then THAT would be something. But there's no mention of that. It's essentially a Q-affied version of the previous DLUX. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
As I said and you've recalled, Peter, some will say it's a Q-iffed D-Lux 7; again, like you, I found nothing objectionable in that categorization. For someone who likes the idea of the but is more budget constrained, a used '7 or LX100 II may indeed be a better option. It's all good!
@@3BMEP P..S. While I've watched (and loved) your fantastic honest reviews, I'm new to subscribe and that gave me the opportunity to post. I not sure you read the comment I made on your excellent take on the Sony A7CR. Thanks to your insights and thoughts I bought the A7CR along with the 50mm f1.2 Sigma based on your review and the samples (particularly the skate boarder in flight which the lens and YOU totally nailed!) that's like having a Noctilux with AF and the Sony 28mm f2 . Flickr is a great way to see the kinds of images lenses (and cameras) can produce. You should know I lusted for the Hasselblad 907X with either the 50mp back or the 100mp back. I've also lusted for the Leica Q3. I could afford neither. Your review gave me the idea that while I might not amass the elements of those wonderful cameras that generate a certain frisson of joy and inspiration to go out and use them (as you often say..."hold THAT thought!") I might be able get a BOGO. Here's what happened: I applied for an Adorama Edge card and was given a $5K balance. With that I bought the A7CR, the 50mm f1.2 Sigma Art, a used 28mm f2 Sony, and a Rapid Black "Metro" strap. (If you haven't guessedn already I think you cab guess where I'm going with this.) With the 50mm Sigma I set the aspect ratio to 1:1 and hold the camera vertically while flipping the rear LCD downward. This essentially (but, of course, not fully) re-creates the experience of using the 907X with the 80mm f1.8 XCD lens. It''s even about the same mass as that kit. A poor man's baby Blad. With the 28mm f2 Sony on board, I have a poor man's Q3 (remember it has a 61mp BSI sensor that could very well be the one in the Q3, it just doens't have the Leitz software touches). Do I mind the lesser EVF and rear LCD. Not really. Since the Lumix G1 which I bought after it appeared I use the EVF and LCD for basic composition and aiming. I use both eyes my free left eye for detail when using the A7CR as a Baby Blad, and the left eye for detail when it's like the Poor Man's Q. Noisy shutter. My god is it. Solution: for situations with subjects that are static or will have a peak pause or stealth is required, use the electronic shutter. For moving situations where Sony's unbeatable continuous AF running the show (and other situations where shutter noise will be unnoticeable) go mechanical. The touch screen is fantastic. And while the menu is vastly improved from previous ones and is still somewhat daunting, plow through it find the settings you want access to, to quickly re-adjust like aspect ratio or color/BW and set it up. For the rest keep the wheel access features as is and set C1 like you did. For other stuff use "auto". For the rest you can do what the late famous (or infamous) appliance huckster, Ron Popeil would say.."Set it. And forget it!" So, Hugh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your wisdom, advice, and brutally honest 360° reviews.
I bought the D-Lux 7, and the shutter speed dial goes to 1/4000th. The D-Lux 8 only shows 1/2000th, yet the content providers on TH-cam are claiming the D-Lux 8 shutter tops out at 1/4000th. Who has the right answer? And why might Leica make this downgrade change?
You probably use the back dial to get to 1/4000. I have an LX100II and the back dial gets you to the speeds between the full stops on the shutter speed dial.
I watched this when it came out. helped push me to get a preorder in with a rental house. That rental is here. Helped that I watched a utube on how to use. So far i've gotten some good shots. I'm not one with focusing yet but that's on me. And I came back for another view. Wanted to see again what you were saying. JOY. simple joy. I like this camera. The set up, the buttons, having a zoom,,, bringing it up to my eye. Feels good. And holy moly what a nice well done menu system. And for what the camera is the photos are good. Guess i better do some printing in a bit. Thank Hugh.
Nice review of a nice camera. It is not cutting edge, but it is more than sufficient for 99% of most peoples' photo-making. The one Leica compact camera I loved, and miss, is/was the X2. Same basic size as the D-Lux camera, APS-C sensor (that really amazing 16MP sensor that was so popular back then) and a killer 35mm eq lens. I wish Leica would resurrect something like that!
Good to hear you enjoyed the camera so much Hugh and fab prints. Years ago when I used the Panasonic LX range (LX5 or 7 I think) I did find the power zoom both noisy and slow; may I ask how the D Lux 8 compares?
I was so in the moment shooting that I didn’t notice any noise or particularly slow zooming. But I only had it for a couple of days, so I cannot tell you with certainty that you’d experience it the same way I did, sorry! 😊🖖🏻
I am curious if they updated the auto lens cap to give a little more space to fit a filter. I recently put a polarizing filter on my DLux 7 and had to switch back to the standard lens ring and cap because the auto cap wouldn't close over it. And as a side note... I get it. I really enjoy my DLux 7 and am contemplating upgrading to the 8. I think people tend to get lost in the weeds in tech specs and forget about the holistic experience of using a camera. As you mention, this line certainly has shortcomings compared to other models (there's always something that does each individual thing better), but it has a lot of thoughtful, harmonious features which deliver a particular experience, and delivers it well. It is truly greater than the sum of its parts. You've got a very useful zoom range, great aperture, a good sensor/image quality, an excellent control layout/ergos (in my opinion), different aspect ratios, and crazy battery life all packed into an incredibly compact body for what it provides. I mean, where else are you going to find a zoom with that aperture on any other compact camera? Yes, it makes some sacrifices, but it does the job of a street/city/travel/daily carry camera exceedingly well.
Lovely assessment of the Leica D-Lux 8, which I will likely buy if/when my LX100ii gives up the ghost. Your speculations about who might want and how they might use the D-Lux 8 strike me as correct. For me, my LX100ii is a long-time favorite camera to carry to parties and county fairs and the like, but also for maintaining my daily photo journal, and, as it happens, my favorite EDC is my Q2m and LX100ii. Lastly, the tiny flash is both functional and adorable and I wish like mad there was an equivalent for the Q line.
Spot on review. Just got the DL8 and ,love it. I shoot A priority and don’t care so much for the zoom, great menu, easy transfer to my phone and just enough for phone, iPad, computer viewing. It’s fit for purpose. Oh, great fill in flash!
Please advise me, Hugh. I have a d lux 109 as well as an M10-p and Q2. Do you think the new Leica d lux 8 is a significant upgrade from the 109? I can't really tell. The biggest differences seem to be Dng and Leica fotos access. Please advise if you can. Thank you.
The answer to your question is YOUR answer to THIS question: what is it that you can't do with what you've got that you need or want and CAN do with the '8?
Great video as always -- But -- $1,500 bucks ain't cheap. After having an LX100 Mk 1 for 8 years and parting with it -- then missing it -- I just found a "like new" LX100 in Australia (silver and brown this time instead of black) -- it's in the air now, having left Adelaine.... $285.....I think I'll be happy -- and not broke. (I almost went for the Leica but I am deep in my retirement and money is an object).
Hugh, Pete from the UK. I’m loving the content. I’m sure, like many amateurs I feel I’ve become a slave to the technology and the need to always buy and then upgrade on a regular basis, maybe to the detriment of just actually going out and using any of these amazing tools to capture images. Surely the skill lies with the photographer not the camera.
I print my own work. Up to 44" wide. I start my test prints at 17x22. Not many photographer's appear to know how to print their own work today. Growing up on film, I use to spend hours in the darkroom, now I spend time in Lightroom and printing on my Canon pro4000. I will still put some film through my film cameras, process the film and then scan them to print on the Canon as well.
Thank you for the video. I ordered one in May hoping it would be just what you are suggesting it is. I love the image quality of my Sony a7rv but i can not stand the menu system. Everything in that camera gets in the way of enjoying the process. I have taken a long hard look at what i actually do with my photographs and realized that 61MP is a waste for me and my computer hard drive space. I am looking forward to getting the joy back in the process! And I am hoping the camera does not take too long to acctuallt ship!!
Having bought the Leica Q and joined the Leica family, just by holding that camera and feeling the years of quality at my finger tips I instantly knew what all those years of hype about Leicas was really about. The D-Lux caught my attention instantly for it's size and weight and well because of it's pedigree. Micro 4/3's not withstanding is not an issue for me, it's about form factor weight and size. I like gritty images and I also always print my best shots. As I age I feel the need for less kit in my ever decreasing camera bag size and it's why I went mirrorless from it's inception. Thanks Hugh for your take on this camera. Always a pleasure to watch and particularly listen to your almost poetic descriptive style of delivery on cameras. Smooth as silk and effortlessly executed as always.
I’m looking for a dedicated travel camera and am not quite sure this one is the one I am going to get… but a monochrome version would sell me immediately.
Absolutely! That would be a huge success and put this camera in a category of itself. It's never gonna happen though it would be technically very simple
I'm leaning towards this camera. I own a Q3 which is my camera of choise and an X100V for EDC, for which is actualy a bit to big. Besides that the Fuji menu system is a nightmare compared to the Leica. What's keeping me is that the X100V is a better camera. I only shoot stills.
Wow! I love TH-cam, but I’m often, I mean often, disappointed. Most are, well, lacking in presentation. But what have I found here?! An intelligent reviewer. Sir, you are rare. I have subscribed.
You can have a look too at The Art of Photography (Ted Forbes), The photographic eye (Alex Kilbee) that continued video in the style of the first Ted Forbes videos, and Daniel Milnor. Absolutely love Daniel Milnors channel, his Q&A and Notes on Photography are such a fountain of knowledge.
Enjoyable video as always! While I love my original LX100, the D-Lux 8's improved UI and menu system seems like it would resolve the few things I don't care for on the LX100 and could be a nice option if I upgrade. It really is a nice size for when I don't want to carry my Leica M system (and when I want more than my iPhone), plus the file size is fine for most of the prints I make.
Simply used Epson Print Layout software (literally drag ‘n drop): specified paper size; set quality to “Max Quality;” and hit “print” to my Epson P900. 🖖🏻
Hello Hugh, thanks… I love it, the video and the DLux8 family… including my LUMIX LX I. Great by Leica to continue this gear family’ putting their HMI&look to the new version.
My new little friend is being delivered tomorrow - thanks Hugh 😂 I think I have a use case for it, my Q2 and my M10R. Possibly trade up Q2 for a Q2 Mono. You are responsible for my depleting bank account - but increasing my photographic pleasure beyond measure. Love your work 👍
Great review. I own a LX100M2 and a Leica Q. The image quality from the Q is fantastic. It reminds me of Kodachrome, in many ways. The LX is great for shooting snap shots and fits in your pocket. They are both a lot of fun. Melding the two together is a great move by Leica. There is one thing though. The LX100M2 and the d Lux 8 are not weather sealed. I mention this because the lens extension and retraction when turning the cameras on and off is like a pump. I have had to send my LX100M2 in to have the sensor cleaned. Leica should find a way to prevent this problem. Otherwise, hats off to Leica.
I have the Leica D-Lux type 109 - the first of the series. It is such a fun camera to use. I use it for stills, time lapse and video and it delivers excellent results. I can't help but feel that most cameras companies have missed something whilst pursuing technological perfection. Leica and to a large extent Fuji seem to get the idea that the camera should instil joy in the user.
My takeaway, which Hugh eloquently delivered at the very end, was simply that this new pocketable Leica "...maybe even rekindle one's sense of joy." As lucky as I have been to have photography and filmmaking as a means to make a good living and travel the world on my company's dime, deep down, I always knew that the innocent passion I once had for my pleasurable, inspired hobby might one day succumb to the temptations and seductions of "success". That if and when I allowed my passion for image-making to be turned into a career as a commercial/editorial photographer, I would risk the creative process becoming a dispassionate, cynical, bread-and-butter necessity. Which is exactly what happened. And despite several seemingly desperate attempts to rekindle my enthusiasm by switching platforms - not once, but three times: from Canon to Sony to Leica to Fuji, I still haven’t found my lost mojo. This D-Lux 8 might just be the antidote, the silver bullet, the prophylactic against the ongoing rot. Or not.
Nice video! I am on my second Panasonic LX100 (silver) and love this little camera. I still use it for travel and family events. People don’t find it as distracting as a larger camera/lens combo. IQ is fine for that kind of thing.
Hugh, the clever algorithm has just let me discover you and your channel. After watching your review I straight away reserved my Leica D Lux 8. I have lusted after a Leica for a little while now, but the price has always deterred me from pulling the trigger. In the UK this retails for £1450 and that is almost free, so I had to own one. If what you say is correct, this may well become my best friend on the street. Thanks for the review.
So does it also take color photographs? Would be interested in knowing what kind of results you get in color. Black and white isn't really a great way of evaluating a sensor as lots of times what comes across as grain in character in B&W photos, looks like digital noise in color.
Yes: it is NOT a monochrome sensor. But I DO take your point. Then again, B&W is a perfect way to evaluate the camera for a black and white shooter - which is what I am (with occasional exceptions). 😊🖖🏻
I definitely love having a point and shoot as a daily. When I'm not dragging out my A7Riv or even my beloved Q3, I have in my pocket my Sony RX100 vii. The D-Lux 8 looks like an amazing choice to keep handy.
Longtime Leica M10 and M11 and Q2 user owner. Have the old d-lux 7 and bought the d-lux-8 also for each of my children so they don’t grab my camera. My problem with the 8 is they just need a better sensor. They might not have wanted to take buyers of the Q series but they should have a sensor in this thing where people can blow up and print pictures, it’s just not quite that.
I love my Canon G1X mark iii and I hope they make mark iv though I recognize the potential improvement is small. Thank you for shining a light on small cameras and how to use them!!
Im relatively young and learned photography on DSLRs, mostly as a hobby. I understand the potential but the size and heavy lenses were never something that felt natural. Aka user friendly all in one with the power of manual that is compact is very appealing to me. I also have always trouble/anxiety getting photos off the card/onto the computer so if the leica fotos app is able to aid the transition to Lightroom and give me more time to just take photos… I would be a happy camper. I may have to start saving for this.
Sir , your review is as always top shelf ! But I can not stop myself thinking that this camera is just the Leica marketing department looking for a nice packaging for an old Panasonic camera ... and I talk from a d-lux3 owner (and several M's) perspective + I have tested the d-lux8 for about few hours ..... aaaaaand this is not a baby Q by any means ...
What I would wish for would be some kind of a Zoom bridge camera with either a simple menu system or a simple menu mode, leaving out the dozens of options that rarely get used. The Kodak Easyshare cameras generally would be a decent model for that.
If shooting film for for the last few years has taught me anything any larger sensor (4/3 and bigger) camera can take amazing images. The a99 I bought to go along with my old a mount sony/minolta lenses is all the full frame camera I need. That said I would still take an x100vi over this for similar money.
Great piece, love your style and keen insight. Refreshing to see someone who can look beyond tiresome complaints about specs, specs and more specs. It’s about the experience and results. Do I pick up the camera to go shooting or not?
seems it is a superb compact camera and a perfect companion to my M10-R when I want an easy autofocus small and lightweight camera for familty trips that is easy to use (and not with 20 buttons or so)
Another superb and informative video, thank you. I am sorely tempted by the D-Lux 8. I have no problem with the sensor - I’ve used older m4/3 sensors with great results. My problem is my Q2. I bought that because I couldn’t stand the haptics of my Olympus EM5 MkII and wanted a camera with a fixed lens to stop me buying more lenses. It’s a wonderful camera. I then bought an M11 because I wanted a camera with smaller lenses that was easier to carry around. It’s a wonderful camera. I struggle to decide which one to use and, to be honest, most of my better pictures are taken with the Q2. I’ve spent all my money on Leicas now so couldn’t afford this without trading one in. The obvious choice is the Q2. Would you let go of your Q3 for this?
It will sell--but like hotcakes? Leica could not have offered a fixed-lens CL with a Q skin for a similar ticket? With the Maestro II processor? The target market does not print, really, do they? And if they do would they not prefer the definitely cool Leica Sofort 2? I'd be interested in an IQ comparison between this camera and an iPhone 15 Pro Max at 11x14 or even 15x20.
So this D-Lux 8 is selling for about the same price as the Fuji X100VI. Seems like a much better bargain with the Leica zoom. M4/3 sensor is smaller but the lens is better. Do I sell my X100F (which is just fine to keep and use) and pony up the difference? Too bad they went the variable aperture route. F2.4 or 2.8 constant aperture should fit the body with the 24-75 (equivalent) zoom. Small nitpick here, TLDR; I want one. PS, I still use my Canon s100!😂
Hugh, could you please confirm or deny the presence of the "Perspective Control" feature in this camera? It was presented as having a similar firmware to the latest M, Q, and SL series cameras, which all have this feature, but I cannot find any mention of it in the manual for the D-Lux 8.
Amazing video. The pixel peepers won't understand or accept the discussion on joy - it is lost on them and so is this camera which means more for us. What kind of printer/paper did you use to make those gorgeous prints?
Looking forward to the arrival of this little guy - got on the list a mid June! A fun carry around when I don’t want to lug my 61.2MP full frame around - no, not an SL3 - an a7rv! Thanks for the review and we’re both - the same age!
I own a D-Lux Typ 109 and a D-Lux 7. The latter has the same Sensor and Lens and Resolution. And the former has "only" 12MP and an older Sensor - which is BETTER in terms of the LEICA LOOK. Colors aren´t the same with the D-Lux 7 anymore, and although it´s great during Daylight and the Intelligent Zoom is way better than the one from the Typ 109. The Combination of Sensor and Lens are perfection in that one. If they haven´t made things more in the Direction of the Typ 109 with the D-Lux 8, no new Menu can sell it to me - and you can get 3 (!) used Typ 109´s for the same price as a D-Lux 8. Not that i´m biased or anything:).
Hi Hugh! We had the Panasonic version of this amazing camera (DMC-LX5) for the first half of the last decade. Images from that camera occasionally surface in the photos widget, and when they do, I’m always impressed. What an intriguing option this latest release is. A perfect travel camera for many. I’m still bringing the M and a few lenses on my trip, however! 😊 Terrific review, as ever. Best - Chris
Great video, as usual. If I didn’t already own the X100V I would consider this one. I think the 24-70 range is great for everyday use and travel. In my last trip there were moments that I would’ve liked that the X100V had a wider lens. I do own the TCL-X100 but it makes the camera so less pocketable. I did use the digital teleconverter a few times. My only “concern” about this Leica is the lack of weather sealing. As for the micro 4/3 sensor, I own a Lumix G7 and G9 and have had no issues with the sensor size. Of course, that’s my use case, which might be totally different from others.
Thank you, Hugh. I have been waiting for your video ever since I ordered my D-Lux 8 on May 23rd. Since then, I have heard so much negativity about this camera (mostly from people who have never even used one) that I began to question my purchase. But, after listening to your thoughtful commentary, I am glad I made the plunge. A couple of things, however: The D-Lux 8 only goes up to 1/2000 of a second, unlike the D-Lux 7's 1/4000. Why they dropped the speed, I don't know. So the 8 can only flash synch at 1/2000. Secondly, I have made some beautiful 20"x30" prints with my Panasonic GX85, which has 16mp micro 4/3 sensor, so I have no fear that the latter can perform just as well.
The absolute biggest con of this thing is no flip screen. I personally never use a view finder and love taking low shots which makes this camera realllyyy difficult to use.
Amazing indeed. An affordable Leica. Not an oxymoron. Design, built, and heritage I understand. I like M43. I love the size and lightweight body. I like the zoom lens focal length. I like the image stabilization. I like fast glass. I could use and adore this body. I am a LUMIX fan. I love my GX8/85/9 bodies with the PL15mm lens. I have been hoping for LUMIX to give me a G9ii sensor in the S9 body. IBIS. Weather sealing. EVF. And the mic jac the GX85/9 inexplicably lacks. Lumix appears to have abandoned photographers and they may never deliver the dream I have. That is why it is called a dream. The D-Lux8 may be as close to what I want from LUMIX. Thank you Leica. Love the Brooklyn Bridge image! Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Apart from how brilliant these reviews are and how satisfying it is to watch your videos, I guess I put my English knowledge to test, everytime I click on one of your videos :D
Thanks for doing this review. It's just what I needed. However, now that I'm an old guy, who owned Leica gear many decades ago, I think I may want to get this camera. My main concern is that I have large and clumsy fingers and wonder if you think that makes this purchase a mistake for me. I do want simple but good performance, btw. With this limited info, do you think I should pursue a purchase? Cheers.
Well, just how large and clumsy? For comparison, I can palm a very grippy regulation size basketball, but my fingers are not particularly wide. Try to do a freeze frame of shots where you can see my holding the camera to compare!
@@3BMEP I sincerely hope I can return to NYC one day (it's been 28 years!); to shake your hand and take part in one of your workshops. I feel lucky to hear from you regularly through this crazy-useful medium called TH-cam.
Hugh, I just found your channel, and subscribed. Btw, I have a d-lux 7 that is in need of repair. Sounds like its time to get my d-lux 8. I'd been waiting for one as a carry around everyday camera. Reading between the lines it sounds like the 8 is a big jump from the 7?
I'm a serious photographer and I am seriously tempted. And I know from the real world that 17mpx will allow me to print to 30x20ins if necessary and also allow me to put any photo I take with the camera into a a reasonably sized book even up to coffee table size.
I’m uncertain - I don’t see it on the B&H site; I’m not sure if it comes with the camera; and while I do see it on Leica’s own sites, but without a price.
Hey, all! I just want to thank you for contributing to such a lovely discussion but admit I'm a bit overwhelmed by the volume of your responses. Please forgive me if I do not respond to every comment!
Hugh is what you'd get if Jon Stewart had spent his career hosting an NPR show about Buddhism instead of The Daily Show. I am, of course, here for it.
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lol, absolutely
Hold that thought.
Even his voice (Hugh's is a tad better) !
Specs doesn't matter anymore for non profesionals, any camera nowadays take good pics and usable video, user experience, fun an cool factor are what matters
Totally agree. We have passed the image quality renaissance and we should now be entering the handling and user experience renaissance.
Specs don't matter for pros too. You can make billboards with 6 MP.
Pro here 35 years in the game - when I pull out my old M8 and 90mm - people stop - I agree that pixels are a myth- I do have other cameras - but this one creates art with every shutter release - even the out of focus ones!!1
Perfectly Put!
You'd actually be surprised how little specs matter for professionals. They just want their camera to not break down. Megapixels is marketing for consumers.
I'm just here for the level headed approach to reviews and... the calm.
Happy to be of service. :)
Thanks for mentioning the leaf shutter, with the tiny accessory flash attached, shooting fill flash in daylight is great and is something few current cameras can do. Years ago, i used to shoot with a flash in broad daylight with my Zeiss Ikon Contessa, and i do now with my Lumix LX100 mk i in the same way.
I bought an LX100 for a NYC trip in 2019 and fell in love with it. I'm glad Leica has continued with the camera with minimal changes to the controls, the controls are absolutely fantastic for making changes while shooting without fussing with menus or unmarked dials. Considering the capabilities of the camera, which aren't easy to know without using it, the price is a bargain, in my opinion.
Hard to reconcile bargain and Leica in the same breath. Hope the D-Lux8 doesn’t come onto the radar of the TikTok influencers. I don’t want the unavailability and price premium they caused the X100VI I wanted but can’t get to apply to this body.
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Amazing video. I sincerely enjoyed and appreciated this. I am an owner of a Leica D Lux 7 and a few older Leica models. I agree with you completely. I own over a dozen cameras, all with higher megapixels. I use my D Lux 7 more than all of them combined. The D Lux made photography fun and a part of my daily life again. I own a behavioral education school system, and travel heavily due to my role. I take the camera with me everywhere. I capture moments I would easily either miss all together or forget all because I enjoy the process of photography with the camera.
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The narrative in the introduction it's incredible! It doesn't matter if it's photography, he could be reviewing sewing machines and still be like hearing an awesome tale. Thanks!
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Seriously looking into this camera. I use to shoot a d-lux 5 years ago. It was one of my favourite cameras. Recently I have been shooting Fuji but can see how the simplicity of this camera will just encourage me to just go out and use it.
I just busted out my d lux 5. I forgot how good of pictures it takes.
Wonderful analysis of the DLux8 and its positioning and appeal. I have recently purchased the LX100 mk1 and mk ii and GX9 just because of the handling and styling - to add more fun back into the image taking experience that can be dulled by my other full frame and MFT cameras.
For me, the unique appeal of the LX100 and the Dlux8 is the external aspect ratio control. This changes the way you approach image taking as you are thinking first about aspect rather than as a post production cropping exercise. There are also some nice monochrome options. Well done Leica! It's what the market wants and needs. Had just received my pre order email from local Leica store but already Sold Out when checking the order status!
WOW -- that was fast! Thanks for sharing!
Always enjoy your posts and usually go into settings and speed the video up to 1.25 or 1.5...same content without such long pauses...who says you can't buy time. Keep up the great videos love them
Hah! I get it from both ends. It's OK. Glad you enjoy them at whatever speed suits! ;)
Thank you Hugh for sharing commentary regarding print sizes.
Words that come to mind: highly usable, fun, light, and more than capable.
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I own an lx100 it's very good and you get used to the messy buttons etc. I think this is good for someone who doesn't want to change pocket camera and wants a better experience. Remains to be seen if it is better. Oh I come from a contax G1 for the ones that still remember
I have a G2. Those Contax lenses (by Kyocera, if memory serves) shouldn't be legal. What a steal at those 1990s prices !
I still have them, they're for keeps.
People buy Leicas for the "Leica look," I think there is an argument that people buy Leicas for the "Leica Feel.'
Absolutely!
As for myself, I bought it because the cameras from that island country seem to have hard-to-use menus.
Leica sound…esp. listening to the shutter on the M11-P.
Completely agree!
I own well over a dozen cameras. It’s difficult to explain, but it really is different. The look of the photos, the feeling of using the camera, and the experience of creating art. Leica really just has something right that other companies don’t.
I was lucky enough to find a typ109 for under 500$ (CAD) a few years back. Love the camera, especially shooting with the flash.
Enjoy!
I appreciate learning the advantages of the D-Lux 8, but I'm very satisfied with my LX100 II. I think the thing I probably envy most is the new OLED EVF, but the LX100 II still has a surprising list of great features.
Thanks for sharing! 😊🖖🏻
Great camera!
It would be interesting if there is a way to flash the new Leica firmware on the LX 100 :)
The review was great. When I saw the announcement for the D-Lux 8, then saw the price I was impressed. I never even looked at Leica due to the cost. I am definitely looking now. I can see where this camera would fit many people's photographic needs. Thanks for sharing!
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I wonder if this camera, which I see is very much like the Panasonic cameras of the same design, will continue to such in dust without any ability to clean the sensor. My LX100's sensor is filled with dust and essentially usable after f/4. I would buy this camera, or the Panasonic version when it comes out, if the sensor was perfectly sealed from outside dust. Otherwise, I find it hard to pay from a camera whose dusty sensor I can't clean.
Hugh, why couldn’t you convince Leica to re-issue their APS-C digital CL? 😊
I love that camera. As you know well, it accepts all the Leica and L-Mount Alliance lenses, M mount lenses with the M-Adapter-L, and Leica R-mount lenses with the R-Adapter-L.
I picked up two Leica SF40 flash units for my CL and one I gave away. That flash is larger than the one you showed here, but smaller than the SF60 (which I also have). I wonder if the tiny flash would work on the CL.
I was just in Wetzlar for 3 days last week. I didn’t think of looking at the D-Lux-8 and its accessories.
It won't be CL2. It will kill Q3 sales easily.
@@mohdfarizolabdulghani7208 Did the digital CL kill Q, Q2, and Q2 Monochrom sales?
They had compelling reasons; I had the talk!
I remember trying that little flash on my TL2 and it didn't work.
@@christophertan3707 Specifically, what didn’t work? Both the TTL and manual modes work on my digital CL. I think the manual mode provides more control over the exposure.
Nice little review. The leaf shutter is one of the reasons I bought my LX100 (after renting and doing an A-B with it and the Typ 109). I’m hoping it does sell like hotcakes.
Thanks for sharing!
Is it dustproof? Old Panasonic LX100 II had problems with dust getting into the lens so I bought a Fuji X-Pro 1 instead. I loved my Panasonic LX3 and LX5 and I'm looking for an alternative
I've had a Sony RX100 VII for a while and have never really warmed up to it. The images are kind of flat and the menu system is a nightmare. I'm a Leica shooter with an SL2 and Q2 but like to have a compact for when I want or need one. I'm contemplating trading the RX100 for the D-Lux 8 for a few reasons, but mostly because it's a Leica and also that it shoots in DNG format. I don't expect it to be an SL2 or Q2, but it would be nice to have the Leica experience with a small carry everywhere camera.
I got into photography because I bought a Panasonic LX2 and frankly the small form factor makes this really appealing. I love my original SL and my M, but sometimes they get in the way and my X100V is somehow not fun to use…
Yes I spend too much on cameras and should probably seek help
Hey Hugh, great video!
I just wanted to ask, I’m wanting a compact travel camera, with the intention to do wall size prints of the place that I’ve travelled too.
Which of the two cameras would you recommend, the FujiFilm X100VI or the Leica D-Lux?
I really want to buy the Leica as I love the brand, but not sure if it’s the better option of the two cameras for wall size prints
The X100VI will yield superior results at the same field of view, and they will be noticeable at that size.
I know it's not the topic, but this man understands audio too.
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I've posted this elsewhere but in the light of this review, I think it worth repeating here: I think that Leica may have missed a trick. Had they given it an APC sensor, I think they would have blown the Fuji VI out of the water. You used the term "gateway drug" ... I reckon that would be a gateway drug to the Leica systems. They obviously couldn't do a full frame version because that would wreck sales of the Q3 (and I'd be very surprised if there were ever to be a Q zoom because that would hammer M sales). But I reckon a zoom APC compact from Leica really would be the bee's knees.
It already exists in the form of the Leica CL, which to be fair is in dire need of a refresh.
If they did release an APC sensor version, they would need to design a brand new lens, which would be much larger to offer similar wide apertures, the body would likely be larger, and would therefore be significantly more expensive compared to the X100VI.
There is a wide gap in Leica's 'entry level' offerings in terms of price, so a £2500 Leica APS-C compact would have a distinct price point in their line up, but would put it in a completely different price category to the other enthusiast compacts like the Ricoh, X100VI.
@@acliffalay it literally already exists in the form of the Leica CL they just haven’t touched that system in years.
@@GrainOnTheGo I am aware of the Leica CL, but given that it has interchangeable lenses, its not really in the same market segment. Also it retailed for around $2795 body only, you'd have to factor in lens costs on top.
Maybe the best comparison within Leica is the Leica X Series, APC fixed lens, with a variety of fixed focal length and zoom ranges. The X Vario was a lovely looking thing. Note the size of the 28-70mm lens, and the slow aperture range required for an APS-C zoom.
@@acliffalay I agree about the lens requirement (obviously) but I reckon that if Leica did produce such a camera and kept the price low (-ish) specifically with the intent to make life as difficult as possible for the competition, they would sweep up all those who would like a Leica but aren't prepared/can't afford to buy into the M and SL systems and would at the same time create a really serious gateway drug for those systems. In terms of price they would need to go for a minimised profit in order to compete but I reckon it would be worth the effort.
I used pro-Nikon & Canon DSLR setups for years...then, one day...I bought a Leica Q2 Monochrom....WOW!....My first ever Leica and it changed everything for me!
I was blown away by the image quality, build quality, ergonomic design, and sheer utter JOY factor of using this camera that I could take anywhere with me. I immediately started to understand why Leica has the reputation it has, totally deserved.
That's why when I purchased a second-hand Dlux 7 as an accompaniment to the Q2, I was massively disappointed and immediately sold it, it definitely did not have the Leica 'package' to it, it felt cheaply built, something that I expect today from the Asian market camera manufacturers. It wasn't worthy of the RED dot, and not a nice experience to use.
Looking at the Dlux 8, Leica seems to have made a good decision and created distance from that market, where they should never have their brand competing. Gibson Guitars did the same for many years and it nearly destroyed their brand, thankfully the new owners have corrected this. Nowadays if you want quality products, especially hand-built or assembled, they come with a heavy price tag, if you want cheap and affordable then expect low quality. It seems that with any product, there seems to be zero middle ground between the two nowadays as there once was years back, which is sad... that unfortunately is how the World is today.
I'm fully aware that, unlike all other Leicas, this camera is built in China, but it's obviously tightly QC'd by Leica itself...unlike the Dlux 7 which looked like Panasonic had free reign over it.
I'm very much looking forward to trying a D LUX 8 out.
Nowadays, I own a Leica Q3 too, which is just phenomenal! They have created something truly amazing there.
I also have a Fujifilm Xpro 3 which I love too, hoping for the release of the Xpro 4, but judging by the cheap build quality of their new release models, I'll probably be holding onto the Xpro 3 and further investing in Leica.
Thanks for such a thoughtful contribution! 😊🖖🏻
I am thinking about buying a camera as a beginner. I am considering either the Leica D-Lux 8 or the Fujifilm X100VI. What do you think? Which one should I buy, or do you have any tips for purchasing one of these two?
It is always a function of what you intend to shoot; your budget; and your priorities. That’s a longer conversation than I can have here. I offer consultations for a fee, but as you are just starting out, I’d prefer you save your money and devour videos on “best cameras for beginners” (dpreview in particular does an excellent job). Happy hunting!
Hi, thanks for your overview of the Lux8. I've one problem. The camera is set as I want it but after power off some of the settings revert to default. eg. DNG reverts to DNG/JPG. I'd be grateful for your help.
Hey, Gerry. Apologies: I only had the camera in hand for a few days during the launch window, so I don't have it in front of me now and can't give you an answer. If the manual has proven inscrutable, I'd join the D-Lux/V-Lux Facebook group and ask there; failing that, I'd call my local Leica Store. Please keep me posted!
@@3BMEP Thanks for your response - understood. The solution I've found is to set the camera menu up as you want then immediately ascribe the settings to the Default or other user profile. All my settings are now constant. Stay well.
I had a problem with my lx100 and it was the dust hitting the sensor during the breathing of the zoom lens. it seemed system wide and I think carried on to the lx100 mk2. Is this design flaw carried over to the dlux? such a shame if so. I was told that in order to clean the sensor it had to be shipped to Panasonic every few months. I made some of my favourite pictures with that camera.
I don’t know the answer, so thank you for raising the question!
Hugh I totally LOVE your reviews but this one was a bit of a head scratcher. If you go to DPreview and use their side-by-side tool to compare the DLUX7 (I still own the earlier DLUX) and this DLUX 8 it's as you said essentially the same. The prints you gushed over could easily have been made with the PREVIOUS DLux 7. The key seems to be about the "experience" and gestalt which it appears is something to consider when it is SOOOOOO close in visual cues to the Q. If the processor is from the Q then THAT would be something. But there's no mention of that. It's essentially a Q-affied version of the previous DLUX. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
As I said and you've recalled, Peter, some will say it's a Q-iffed D-Lux 7; again, like you, I found nothing objectionable in that categorization. For someone who likes the idea of the but is more budget constrained, a used '7 or LX100 II may indeed be a better option. It's all good!
@@3BMEP P..S. While I've watched (and loved) your fantastic honest reviews, I'm new to subscribe and that gave me the opportunity to post. I not sure you read the comment I made on your excellent take on the Sony A7CR. Thanks to your insights and thoughts I bought the A7CR along with the 50mm f1.2 Sigma based on your review and the samples (particularly the skate boarder in flight which the lens and YOU totally nailed!) that's like having a Noctilux with AF and the Sony 28mm f2 . Flickr is a great way to see the kinds of images lenses (and cameras) can produce. You should know I lusted for the Hasselblad 907X with either the 50mp back or the 100mp back. I've also lusted for the Leica Q3. I could afford neither. Your review gave me the idea that while I might not amass the elements of those wonderful cameras that generate a certain frisson of joy and inspiration to go out and use them (as you often say..."hold THAT thought!") I might be able get a BOGO. Here's what happened: I applied for an Adorama Edge card and was given a $5K balance. With that I bought the A7CR, the 50mm f1.2 Sigma Art, a used 28mm f2 Sony, and a Rapid Black "Metro" strap. (If you haven't guessedn already I think you cab guess where I'm going with this.) With the 50mm Sigma I set the aspect ratio to 1:1 and hold the camera vertically while flipping the rear LCD downward. This essentially (but, of course, not fully) re-creates the experience of using the 907X with the 80mm f1.8 XCD lens. It''s even about the same mass as that kit. A poor man's baby Blad. With the 28mm f2 Sony on board, I have a poor man's Q3 (remember it has a 61mp BSI sensor that could very well be the one in the Q3, it just doens't have the Leitz software touches). Do I mind the lesser EVF and rear LCD. Not really. Since the Lumix G1 which I bought after it appeared I use the EVF and LCD for basic composition and aiming. I use both eyes my free left eye for detail when using the A7CR as a Baby Blad, and the left eye for detail when it's like the Poor Man's Q. Noisy shutter. My god is it. Solution: for situations with subjects that are static or will have a peak pause or stealth is required, use the electronic shutter. For moving situations where Sony's unbeatable continuous AF running the show (and other situations where shutter noise will be unnoticeable) go mechanical. The touch screen is fantastic. And while the menu is vastly improved from previous ones and is still somewhat daunting, plow through it find the settings you want access to, to quickly re-adjust like aspect ratio or color/BW and set it up. For the rest keep the wheel access features as is and set C1 like you did. For other stuff use "auto". For the rest you can do what the late famous (or infamous) appliance huckster, Ron Popeil would say.."Set it. And forget it!" So, Hugh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your wisdom, advice, and brutally honest 360° reviews.
@@PeterB-Dluxwhat a lovely and thoughtful contribution to the discourse here, Peter. Welcome - and thank you!
I like this name “three blind men and an elephant “. 😂 All Chinese students learned this story in primary school in China.
I bought the D-Lux 7, and the shutter speed dial goes to 1/4000th. The D-Lux 8 only shows 1/2000th, yet the content providers on TH-cam are claiming the D-Lux 8 shutter tops out at 1/4000th. Who has the right answer? And why might Leica make this downgrade change?
Makes no sense downgrading the shutter speed on the dial, but looking at the product that seems to be a xase.
You probably use the back dial to get to 1/4000. I have an LX100II and the back dial gets you to the speeds between the full stops on the shutter speed dial.
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I watched this when it came out. helped push me to get a preorder in with a rental house. That rental is here. Helped that I watched a utube on how to use. So far i've gotten some good shots. I'm not one with focusing yet but that's on me. And I came back for another view. Wanted to see again what you were saying.
JOY. simple joy. I like this camera. The set up, the buttons, having a zoom,,, bringing it up to my eye. Feels good. And holy moly what a nice well done menu system.
And for what the camera is the photos are good. Guess i better do some printing in a bit.
Thank Hugh.
Happy to be of service - enjoy! 😊🖖🏻
Nice review of a nice camera. It is not cutting edge, but it is more than sufficient for 99% of most peoples' photo-making. The one Leica compact camera I loved, and miss, is/was the X2. Same basic size as the D-Lux camera, APS-C sensor (that really amazing 16MP sensor that was so popular back then) and a killer 35mm eq lens. I wish Leica would resurrect something like that!
I've been following you for years. I love your videos. That's really all I can say. Keep up the good work. Best wishes from Germany!
Danke, Andreas!
Good to hear you enjoyed the camera so much Hugh and fab prints. Years ago when I used the Panasonic LX range (LX5 or 7 I think) I did find the power zoom both noisy and slow; may I ask how the D Lux 8 compares?
I was so in the moment shooting that I didn’t notice any noise or particularly slow zooming. But I only had it for a couple of days, so I cannot tell you with certainty that you’d experience it the same way I did, sorry! 😊🖖🏻
I am curious if they updated the auto lens cap to give a little more space to fit a filter. I recently put a polarizing filter on my DLux 7 and had to switch back to the standard lens ring and cap because the auto cap wouldn't close over it. And as a side note... I get it. I really enjoy my DLux 7 and am contemplating upgrading to the 8. I think people tend to get lost in the weeds in tech specs and forget about the holistic experience of using a camera. As you mention, this line certainly has shortcomings compared to other models (there's always something that does each individual thing better), but it has a lot of thoughtful, harmonious features which deliver a particular experience, and delivers it well. It is truly greater than the sum of its parts. You've got a very useful zoom range, great aperture, a good sensor/image quality, an excellent control layout/ergos (in my opinion), different aspect ratios, and crazy battery life all packed into an incredibly compact body for what it provides. I mean, where else are you going to find a zoom with that aperture on any other compact camera? Yes, it makes some sacrifices, but it does the job of a street/city/travel/daily carry camera exceedingly well.
Lovely assessment of the Leica D-Lux 8, which I will likely buy if/when my LX100ii gives up the ghost. Your speculations about who might want and how they might use the D-Lux 8 strike me as correct. For me, my LX100ii is a long-time favorite camera to carry to parties and county fairs and the like, but also for maintaining my daily photo journal, and, as it happens, my favorite EDC is my Q2m and LX100ii. Lastly, the tiny flash is both functional and adorable and I wish like mad there was an equivalent for the Q line.
Re your last line: you and me both! 😊🖖🏻
Spot on review. Just got the DL8 and ,love it. I shoot A priority and don’t care so much for the zoom, great menu, easy transfer to my phone and just enough for phone, iPad, computer viewing. It’s fit for purpose. Oh, great fill in flash!
Enjoy!
Please advise me, Hugh.
I have a d lux 109 as well as an M10-p and Q2. Do you think the new Leica d lux 8 is a significant upgrade from the 109? I can't really tell. The biggest differences seem to be Dng and Leica fotos access. Please advise if you can. Thank you.
The answer to your question is YOUR answer to THIS question: what is it that you can't do with what you've got that you need or want and CAN do with the '8?
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Great video as always -- But -- $1,500 bucks ain't cheap. After having an LX100 Mk 1 for 8 years and parting with it -- then missing it -- I just found a "like new" LX100 in Australia (silver and brown this time instead of black) -- it's in the air now, having left Adelaine.... $285.....I think I'll be happy -- and not broke. (I almost went for the Leica but I am deep in my retirement and money is an object).
Sounds good to me! Enjoy!
Hugh, Pete from the UK. I’m loving the content. I’m sure, like many amateurs I feel I’ve become a slave to the technology and the need to always buy and then upgrade on a regular basis, maybe to the detriment of just actually going out and using any of these amazing tools to capture images. Surely the skill lies with the photographer not the camera.
Yes! 👊🏻💯
I print my own work. Up to 44" wide. I start my test prints at 17x22. Not many photographer's appear to know how to print their own work today. Growing up on film, I use to spend hours in the darkroom, now I spend time in Lightroom and printing on my Canon pro4000. I will still put some film through my film cameras, process the film and then scan them to print on the Canon as well.
Thank you for the video. I ordered one in May hoping it would be just what you are suggesting it is. I love the image quality of my Sony a7rv but i can not stand the menu system. Everything in that camera gets in the way of enjoying the process. I have taken a long hard look at what i actually do with my photographs and realized that 61MP is a waste for me and my computer hard drive space. I am looking forward to getting the joy back in the process! And I am hoping the camera does not take too long to acctuallt ship!!
Thanks for sharing!
Having bought the Leica Q and joined the Leica family, just by holding that camera and feeling the years of quality at my finger tips I instantly knew what all those years of hype about Leicas was really about. The D-Lux caught my attention instantly for it's size and weight and well because of it's pedigree. Micro 4/3's not withstanding is not an issue for me, it's about form factor weight and size. I like gritty images and I also always print my best shots. As I age I feel the need for less kit in my ever decreasing camera bag size and it's why I went mirrorless from it's inception. Thanks Hugh for your take on this camera. Always a pleasure to watch and particularly listen to your almost poetic descriptive style of delivery on cameras. Smooth as silk and effortlessly executed as always.
Glad to be of service, Simon! 😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
Hi I was wondering if it's possible to put a filter on the d-lux 8? I like to use an nd or polarizer. Thanks for the great videos
Yes it has a filter thread.
It'd be sweet if they did a Monochrom version of the D-Lux 8. It's got the filter thread already, and would probably be a blast.
Nice idea!
I’m looking for a dedicated travel camera and am not quite sure this one is the one I am going to get… but a monochrome version would sell me immediately.
Absolutely! That would be a huge success and put this camera in a category of itself. It's never gonna happen though it would be technically very simple
Would be so fun. I wouldn’t be able to put it down.
I'm leaning towards this camera. I own a Q3 which is my camera of choise and an X100V for EDC, for which is actualy a bit to big. Besides that the Fuji menu system is a nightmare compared to the Leica. What's keeping me is that the X100V is a better camera. I only shoot stills.
Wow! I love TH-cam, but I’m often, I mean often, disappointed. Most are, well, lacking in presentation. But what have I found here?! An intelligent reviewer. Sir, you are rare. I have subscribed.
Welcome to the channel! 😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
You can have a look too at The Art of Photography (Ted Forbes), The photographic eye (Alex Kilbee) that continued video in the style of the first Ted Forbes videos, and Daniel Milnor.
Absolutely love Daniel Milnors channel, his Q&A and Notes on Photography are such a fountain of knowledge.
Enjoyable video as always! While I love my original LX100, the D-Lux 8's improved UI and menu system seems like it would resolve the few things I don't care for on the LX100 and could be a nice option if I upgrade. It really is a nice size for when I don't want to carry my Leica M system (and when I want more than my iPhone), plus the file size is fine for most of the prints I make.
How did you achieve such a large print out with this little sensor and resolution? Did you scale it up? If so, which method did you use?
Simply used Epson Print Layout software (literally drag ‘n drop): specified paper size; set quality to “Max Quality;” and hit “print” to my Epson P900. 🖖🏻
It’s good to see a micro four thirds camera receive some love… even if it’s for the Leica brand. 😊
Hello Hugh, thanks… I love it, the video and the DLux8 family… including my LUMIX LX I. Great by Leica to continue this gear family’ putting their HMI&look to the new version.
Great to hear! 😊
My new little friend is being delivered tomorrow - thanks Hugh 😂 I think I have a use case for it, my Q2 and my M10R. Possibly trade up Q2 for a Q2 Mono. You are responsible for my depleting bank account - but increasing my photographic pleasure beyond measure. Love your work 👍
Hah! I feel your pain - and joy! Happy to be of service. 😎
The film you did was commissioned by the the library in my little city in Germany! 😮
I so enjoyed working with her!
Great review. I own a LX100M2 and a Leica Q. The image quality from the Q is fantastic. It reminds me of Kodachrome, in many ways. The LX is great for shooting snap shots and fits in your pocket. They are both a lot of fun. Melding the two together is a great move by Leica. There is one thing though. The LX100M2 and the d Lux 8 are not weather sealed. I mention this because the lens extension and retraction when turning the cameras on and off is like a pump. I have had to send my LX100M2 in to have the sensor cleaned. Leica should find a way to prevent this problem. Otherwise, hats off to Leica.
I have the Leica D-Lux type 109 - the first of the series. It is such a fun camera to use. I use it for stills, time lapse and video and it delivers excellent results. I can't help but feel that most cameras companies have missed something whilst pursuing technological perfection. Leica and to a large extent Fuji seem to get the idea that the camera should instil joy in the user.
Thanks for sharing!😊🖖🏻
My takeaway, which Hugh eloquently delivered at the very end, was simply that this new pocketable Leica "...maybe even rekindle one's sense of joy." As lucky as I have been to have photography and filmmaking as a means to make a good living and travel the world on my company's dime, deep down, I always knew that the innocent passion I once had for my pleasurable, inspired hobby might one day succumb to the temptations and seductions of "success". That if and when I allowed my passion for image-making to be turned into a career as a commercial/editorial photographer, I would risk the creative process becoming a dispassionate, cynical, bread-and-butter necessity. Which is exactly what happened. And despite several seemingly desperate attempts to rekindle my enthusiasm by switching platforms - not once, but three times: from Canon to Sony to Leica to Fuji, I still haven’t found my lost mojo. This D-Lux 8 might just be the antidote, the silver bullet, the prophylactic against the ongoing rot. Or not.
A beautifully presented video on the new Leica D-Lux 8, I really enjoyed it. Thank you Hugh.
My pleasure, Michael! 😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
Nice video! I am on my second Panasonic LX100 (silver) and love this little camera. I still use it for travel and family events. People don’t find it as distracting as a larger camera/lens combo. IQ is fine for that kind of thing.
Thanks for sharing! 😊🖖🏻
I like the camera for its convenience but really I like the way you present the information,thanks
You’re welcome! 🙏🏻😊
Hugh, the clever algorithm has just let me discover you and your channel. After watching your review I straight away reserved my Leica D Lux 8. I have lusted after a Leica for a little while now, but the price has always deterred me from pulling the trigger. In the UK this retails for £1450 and that is almost free, so I had to own one. If what you say is correct, this may well become my best friend on the street. Thanks for the review.
Enjoy!
Great video I have a D-Lux 7 and I am very happy with it. My Nikon has not got a lookin for years.
Continue to enjoy! 😊🖖🏻
Awesome Hugh , i could listen to you talking passionately about all things photography all day long . thank you.
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So does it also take color photographs? Would be interested in knowing what kind of results you get in color. Black and white isn't really a great way of evaluating a sensor as lots of times what comes across as grain in character in B&W photos, looks like digital noise in color.
Yes: it is NOT a monochrome sensor. But I DO take your point. Then again, B&W is a perfect way to evaluate the camera for a black and white shooter - which is what I am (with occasional exceptions). 😊🖖🏻
I definitely love having a point and shoot as a daily. When I'm not dragging out my A7Riv or even my beloved Q3, I have in my pocket my Sony RX100 vii. The D-Lux 8 looks like an amazing choice to keep handy.
Thanks for sharing!
Longtime Leica M10 and M11 and Q2 user owner. Have the old d-lux 7 and bought the d-lux-8 also for each of my children so they don’t grab my camera. My problem with the 8 is they just need a better sensor. They might not have wanted to take buyers of the Q series but they should have a sensor in this thing where people can blow up and print pictures, it’s just not quite that.
I love my Canon G1X mark iii and I hope they make mark iv though I recognize the potential improvement is small. Thank you for shining a light on small cameras and how to use them!!
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Im relatively young and learned photography on DSLRs, mostly as a hobby. I understand the potential but the size and heavy lenses were never something that felt natural. Aka user friendly all in one with the power of manual that is compact is very appealing to me. I also have always trouble/anxiety getting photos off the card/onto the computer so if the leica fotos app is able to aid the transition to Lightroom and give me more time to just take photos… I would be a happy camper. I may have to start saving for this.
Sir , your review is as always top shelf !
But I can not stop myself thinking that this camera is just the Leica marketing department looking for a nice packaging for an old Panasonic camera ... and I talk from a d-lux3 owner (and several M's) perspective + I have tested the d-lux8 for about few hours ..... aaaaaand this is not a baby Q by any means ...
I understand.
What I would wish for would be some kind of a Zoom bridge camera with either a simple menu system or a simple menu mode, leaving out the dozens of options that rarely get used. The Kodak Easyshare cameras generally would be a decent model for that.
If shooting film for for the last few years has taught me anything any larger sensor (4/3 and bigger) camera can take amazing images. The a99 I bought to go along with my old a mount sony/minolta lenses is all the full frame camera I need. That said I would still take an x100vi over this for similar money.
Great piece, love your style and keen insight. Refreshing to see someone who can look beyond tiresome complaints about specs, specs and more specs. It’s about the experience and results. Do I pick up the camera to go shooting or not?
Thank you!
seems it is a superb compact camera and a perfect companion to my M10-R when I want an easy autofocus small and lightweight camera for familty trips that is easy to use (and not with 20 buttons or so)
Another superb and informative video, thank you. I am sorely tempted by the D-Lux 8. I have no problem with the sensor - I’ve used older m4/3 sensors with great results. My problem is my Q2. I bought that because I couldn’t stand the haptics of my Olympus EM5 MkII and wanted a camera with a fixed lens to stop me buying more lenses. It’s a wonderful camera. I then bought an M11 because I wanted a camera with smaller lenses that was easier to carry around. It’s a wonderful camera. I struggle to decide which one to use and, to be honest, most of my better pictures are taken with the Q2.
I’ve spent all my money on Leicas now so couldn’t afford this without trading one in. The obvious choice is the Q2. Would you let go of your Q3 for this?
Hah! But: NO! 😊🖖🏻
I have the Sony RX100vii so I’m not interested in the Leica D-Lux 8-but enjoyed your review and your photos are crisp! ❤
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Hello Hugh
Does it justify an upgrade from my tiny and superbly miniaturized GM5 with its 2014 tech / sensor?!?
Thx 🙏 Hugh
It will sell--but like hotcakes? Leica could not have offered a fixed-lens CL with a Q skin for a similar ticket? With the Maestro II processor? The target market does not print, really, do they? And if they do would they not prefer the definitely cool Leica Sofort 2? I'd be interested in an IQ comparison between this camera and an iPhone 15 Pro Max at 11x14 or even 15x20.
So this D-Lux 8 is selling for about the same price as the Fuji X100VI. Seems like a much better bargain with the Leica zoom. M4/3 sensor is smaller but the lens is better. Do I sell my X100F (which is just fine to keep and use) and pony up the difference? Too bad they went the variable aperture route. F2.4 or 2.8 constant aperture should fit the body with the 24-75 (equivalent) zoom. Small nitpick here,
TLDR; I want one.
PS, I still use my Canon s100!😂
Thanks for cutting straight to the point of the Lumix.
Promising travel camera, but I think I will stick to my Sony RX100 for now….(a camera no one seems to remember is still available…)
Hugh, could you please confirm or deny the presence of the "Perspective Control" feature in this camera? It was presented as having a similar firmware to the latest M, Q, and SL series cameras, which all have this feature, but I cannot find any mention of it in the manual for the D-Lux 8.
Amazing video. The pixel peepers won't understand or accept the discussion on joy - it is lost on them and so is this camera which means more for us. What kind of printer/paper did you use to make those gorgeous prints?
Epson Premium Lustre🙂
Looking forward to the arrival of this little guy - got on the list a mid June! A fun carry around when I don’t want to lug my 61.2MP full frame around - no, not an SL3 - an a7rv! Thanks for the review and we’re both - the same age!
Have fun with both of them - we have an a7R V too, and it's an incredibly capable tool.
It’s a beautiful camera for a carry round,far better than a phone,plus no lenses to buy.Good piece,thank you.
My pleasure. :)
I own a D-Lux Typ 109 and a D-Lux 7. The latter has the same Sensor and Lens and Resolution. And the former has "only" 12MP and an older Sensor - which is BETTER in terms of the LEICA LOOK. Colors aren´t the same with the D-Lux 7 anymore, and although it´s great during Daylight and the Intelligent Zoom is way better than the one from the Typ 109.
The Combination of Sensor and Lens are perfection in that one. If they haven´t made things more in the Direction of the Typ 109 with the D-Lux 8, no new Menu can sell it to me - and you can get 3 (!) used Typ 109´s for the same price as a D-Lux 8.
Not that i´m biased or anything:).
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Hi Hugh! We had the Panasonic version of this amazing camera (DMC-LX5) for the first half of the last decade. Images from that camera occasionally surface in the photos widget, and when they do, I’m always impressed.
What an intriguing option this latest release is. A perfect travel camera for many. I’m still bringing the M and a few lenses on my trip, however! 😊
Terrific review, as ever.
Best - Chris
Thanks, Chris! And thanks for sharing! 😊🖖🏻
Great video, as usual. If I didn’t already own the X100V I would consider this one. I think the 24-70 range is great for everyday use and travel. In my last trip there were moments that I would’ve liked that the X100V had a wider lens. I do own the TCL-X100 but it makes the camera so less pocketable. I did use the digital teleconverter a few times.
My only “concern” about this Leica is the lack of weather sealing. As for the micro 4/3 sensor, I own a Lumix G7 and G9 and have had no issues with the sensor size. Of course, that’s my use case, which might be totally different from others.
Thanks for sharing! 😊🖖🏻
Thank you, Hugh. I have been waiting for your video ever since I ordered my D-Lux 8 on May 23rd. Since then, I have heard so much negativity about this camera (mostly from people who have never even used one) that I began to question my purchase. But, after listening to your thoughtful commentary, I am glad I made the plunge.
A couple of things, however: The D-Lux 8 only goes up to 1/2000 of a second, unlike the D-Lux 7's 1/4000. Why they dropped the speed, I don't know. So the 8 can only flash synch at 1/2000. Secondly, I have made some beautiful 20"x30" prints with my Panasonic GX85, which has 16mp micro 4/3 sensor, so I have no fear that the latter can perform just as well.
First, enjoy! Second: both cameras (‘7 and ‘8) synch to 1/4000, although both physical dials only show up to 1/2000.
Is that lead lens cap thingey removable the visuals give impression its removable and maybe a standard cap could be used ??
Yes. 😊
The absolute biggest con of this thing is no flip screen. I personally never use a view finder and love taking low shots which makes this camera realllyyy difficult to use.
Hugh, Hello, Great info. will the handgrip for the leica d lux 7 fit the leica d lux 8.Thanks
I can’t say with certainty, sorry.
They are 2 different part numbers on the Leica website, FWIW
Amazing indeed. An affordable Leica. Not an oxymoron.
Design, built, and heritage I understand. I like M43. I love the size and lightweight body. I like the zoom lens focal length. I like the image stabilization. I like fast glass. I could use and adore this body.
I am a LUMIX fan. I love my GX8/85/9 bodies with the PL15mm lens. I have been hoping for LUMIX to give me a G9ii sensor in the S9 body. IBIS. Weather sealing. EVF. And the mic jac the GX85/9 inexplicably lacks. Lumix appears to have abandoned photographers and they may never deliver the dream I have. That is why it is called a dream. The D-Lux8 may be as close to what I want from LUMIX. Thank you Leica.
Love the Brooklyn Bridge image!
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Hey, Marty!
Apart from how brilliant these reviews are and how satisfying it is to watch your videos, I guess I put my English knowledge to test, everytime I click on one of your videos :D
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Thanks for doing this review. It's just what I needed. However, now that I'm an old guy, who owned Leica gear many decades ago, I think I may want to get this camera. My main concern is that I have large and clumsy fingers and wonder if you think that makes this purchase a mistake for me. I do want simple but good performance, btw. With this limited info, do you think I should pursue a purchase? Cheers.
Well, just how large and clumsy? For comparison, I can palm a very grippy regulation size basketball, but my fingers are not particularly wide. Try to do a freeze frame of shots where you can see my holding the camera to compare!
Hugh, 15:16 minutes. I thought the d-lux 8 shutter goes to only 2000 of a second, different than the d-lux-7?
Specs say 1/4000 mechanical. 😊
@@3BMEP the dial goes up to 2000 though,?
Yes.
Just watched this again, Hugh, and loved it just as much as the first time.
Peter, you’re always so generous - thanks, man! 😊🙏🏻👍🏼
@@3BMEP I sincerely hope I can return to NYC one day (it's been 28 years!); to shake your hand and take part in one of your workshops. I feel lucky to hear from you regularly through this crazy-useful medium called TH-cam.
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Hugh, I just found your channel, and subscribed. Btw, I have a d-lux 7 that is in need of repair. Sounds like its time to get my d-lux 8. I'd been waiting for one as a carry around everyday camera. Reading between the lines it sounds like the 8 is a big jump from the 7?
Optically, no. Mechanically/ergonomically? Yes. 😊🖖🏻
I'm a serious photographer and I am seriously tempted. And I know from the real world that 17mpx will allow me to print to 30x20ins if necessary and also allow me to put any photo I take with the camera into a a reasonably sized book even up to coffee table size.
Absolutely! Our largest m43 print - taken by Claudia - is 50” on the long side! 😊🖖🏻
where do u get the lens hood?
I’m uncertain - I don’t see it on the B&H site; I’m not sure if it comes with the camera; and while I do see it on Leica’s own sites, but without a price.