I also like the Sun analogy: The sun produces light that we can see, this is Jesus. The sun produces heat which we cannot see but feel the effects, this is the Holy Spirit. The source of the light and heat is the actual sun in outer space. This sun is outside the planetary realm in which we live. The Sun cannot be seen or felt, this is the Father.
’e-ḇen I really do like this, I just think that some people could think that the spirit and son are created or have a beginning. It’s a beautiful analogy I’ve heard and some might use it against you to show evidence the rays and heat are created. God bless you
@Truth of Jesus how exactly would the sun analogy be modalism? In the analogy the sun stays constant. It is only our ability to experience or observe the sun that differentiates the parts. I am unsure what you are referencing since my favorite part of the analogy is how well it describes attributes of one sun without modes.
@Raj Deol what is the name of the book with these perverse names: (Yahshua HaMashiach)? Ephesians 5:6 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Acts 4:10-12 10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
My Lord AND My God is an Expression of a Jewish person seeing God's fullfilmennt. The Massiah dying and Rising again.. He gives thanks to God as he acknowledged his messiah.. Remember ,No jew thought that Jesus was God, They said prophet or something else.. We are the ones adding to the bible
@@choicegospelnetwork all Jews who worshipped God in spirit and in truth understood and saw the body of the Christ of God after his resurrection these scriptures: Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. (And Thomas would believe only by seeing and touching the print ): John 20:19-29 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. [20] And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. [21] Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. [22] And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: [23] Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. [24] But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. [25] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. [26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. [27] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. [28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
@@davidbradberry7637 Echad as in they were united. Even Jesus spoke of this and agreed! That the husband and wife come together and become of one spirit. Of course the husband and the wife are literally the same person, but they are united in marriage like glue between two seperate papers. We can also see in the scriptures that our spirit and the Holy Spirit are supposed to become one
Genesis 2:18 KJV [18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. when Adam was made He was Alone and in Gods image
But the difference is Adam and Eve had two different wills because they were two different people. God had one will, if he is one, which the Bible states he is.
Dr. Brown is absolutely correct on the Tanakh, Rabbinic thought & Jewish tradition in understanding the application of the word Echad. Mashiach is of Elohim .. He is Echad with HaShem/Adonai/Yahovah!
That’s total nonsense. The rabbinic though never taught that good is 3 anything . You are putting in your tinity presuppose position into rabbinic teaching which goes completely against what they really taught.
No one claims God is three but one , He is a One God who is triune just as you are a union of body , soul and spirit , does it make you three? No right? So stop spreading hatred.
As a child I believed that the Bible was the word of God and that Jesus was my savior .In 1988 I was drinking a fifth of alcohol a day . I knew that there was more to life than I realized but I didn't know what it was . I had a wonderful girlfriend , we raced motorcycles , we went to bluegrass festivals and did whatever we wanted to do . I realized that I had everything the world said was happiness but I felt something important was missing and I didn't know what it was. I tried scientology , all kinds of yoga, martial arts and various other disciplines but nothing satisfied me . One Sunday morning I came home drunk in a taxicab and waiting outside of my house was a man who was giving my roommate a ride to church. I had gone to alcoholics anonymous for six months and they helped me a lot but I had gone back to drinking .He invited me to sit in his car and talk. He asked me if I wanted a bible study. I said I would love to have a bible study . He came on Monday nights the only night of the week that I didn't drink. It was a 12 week bible study that went from Genesis to Revelation. He showed me in the book of Acts ( Acts 2:38 ) where it said repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost . I said I'd never seen that in the bible and I wanted to get baptized in Jesus' name and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I got baptized in Jesus' name and prayed for two months to get the Holy Ghost. The night that I got the Holy Ghost I was praying and I started to talk in tongues , I felt wonderful and GOD delivered me from the spirit of alcohol . I have never wanted to drink since then and I praise GOD for that. . The man who gave me the twelve week bible study taught me a ' GODHEAD ' bible study twice but i didn't understand the oneness of God or the trinity . I was reading the bible one day and read Ephesians 4 : 5-6 that i had previously highlighted in my bible . God gave me the revelation of oneness . ' ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE BAPTISM , ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL , WHO IS ABOVE ALL , AND THROUGH ALL ,AND IN YOU ALL ! JOHN 3:16 IS JUST ONE VERSE : YOU NEED TO READ ALL OF CHAPTER THREE TO UNDERSTAND JESUS' PLAN OF SALVATION ! I was a believer from childhood but i wasn't saved . THANK YOU FOR READING THIS !
You should read Ephesians 1:13, Galatians 3:2, and Acts 10. When one hears the Gospel about Jesus the Anointed (Xpistos transliterated Christ meaning anointed in English) and believes the Gospel, believing in Jesus, one is sealed by the Holy Spirit- born again/born of the heavenly Adam/regenerated, etc. The Greek and English is clear that the Holy Spirit is given upon belief in the Lord and these 3 passages are absolutely clear about it. Acts 2:38 has a preposition - eis in Greek and in various places in the New Testament epistles is translated "at", "because of", "against" "upon", etc. It will be translated the way it is in Acts 2:38 based on what one believes. A T Robertson explains this in his " Word Pictures in the New Testament" volume on Acts. The 3 I gave you are crystal clear that at the moment of belief one receives God's Holy Spirit for new, heavenly birth or regeneration.
All believers apprehend His complex unity because we believe God is in Christ and He is the only way we can see God. And we see Him by what we believe when He said, "I and the Father are one."
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. IF
"Great is the mystery of godliness"? The verse is mistranslated and tampered! I am Greek ... ask any Greek what is the correct translation of the Greek word ευσεβειας! Ευσεβεια comprises of two other words ευ that means good and σεβειας that means respect. Godliness translates from the Greek word θεοσεβεια, not Ευσεβεια! Also, the verse has tampered. Someone with no fear of God changed the Greek word ος to θς or the greek word θς to ος. ος means οποιος and θς mean God. THE MEANING CHANGED COMPLETELY. We don't know who changed the verse but for sure this verse cannot be used to support the one or the other side! ibb.co/QpdgKpW wwwrealdiscoveriesorg-simon.blogspot.com/2017/06/1-timothy-316-yet-again-another.html
Thank you Dr. Brown, i remember seeing you on videos from the Pensacola revival when i was a teenager. now you are presenting good theology for us. i use this - and the example to teach my youths about the trinity and other stuff. thanx
This topic about the Holy Trinity has always been hard for me to grasp, especially since the Bible never explicitly refers to God as a Trinity while mentioning Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, Dr. Brown's explanation of describing how our sun is too bright to see it's core while also sending invisible spectrums of radiation is similar to how God the Father reveals himself to man via his Son Jesus Christ and uses the Holy Spirit to guide us had helped me grasp the concept best as I could for now. Thank you for this teaching.
It's ok not to understand everything ofc, i don't understand as well but i accept this Holy Doctrine. It's like eternity. We don't understand it nor do we comprehend it, yet we know it exists. Same thing with the fourth dimension of sight and perspective. We can't understand it nor see it, and yet we know it exists, but it's too complex for us to understand
It took me years, decades to understand the Trinity. But it was revealed to me after seeking God. Here it goes: God is an all powerful, immutable, incomprehensible being. We have never seen or heard him at ANY time. He knows his glory is too powerful to reveal to us directly. However, he does desire for us to know him and to participate in his own creation. As such, he conceives of himself as the Son, the eternal Logos, which is how God sees himself in the form of the son of man. This is exactly what Daniel 7 was trying to reveal to us. The son of man comes on the clouds with glory and given dominion over all things not because he was the messiah, but because he is the direct reflection of God as man. And the Logos though he is fully God is still in awe of God because the glory is incomprehensible. So in truth, it’s not really modalism nor is it 3 separate beings. It is one God who reflects himself in the person of the Son strictly so we can know him and his plan for us. The ultimate goal of life is to achieve theosis. That is, God came to earth incarnated as the man Jesus so that we might find abundant life and commune with god directly - in fact, our purpose is to become Son of God like Christ. Oddly enoug the title son of god is meant for us and the son of man title only applies to the Logos. This is the truth that I sought after to for decades and was revealed to me in on single instance.
I'm a Bible believing, One God worshipping, Jesus Christ following person. The hardest theology to understand has always been the "Trinity", so I don't feel comfortable describing God with that word anymore. I refer to The Triunity of God, but "Complex Unity" is great too! The best explanation I've heard to describe how God can reveal Himself in three different ways yet still be One is this: God is not 1+1+1=3. God is 1x1x1=1. What a glorious mystery! 😄
God is 1+1+1=1 according to the trinity. The trinity says the father is a god, the son is a god, the spirit is a god, yet there is only one god. 1 god + 1 god + 1 god = 1 god.
@@ABC123jd "There are three that bear witness in heaven: The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit; and these three are One." (1 John 5:7) That doesn't sound like three individual beings to me, but I can't fully understand it either. There are the same descriptions of God in the Tanakh. He is also described as One there. (eg Isaiah 63:8-10) God is transcendent to our plane of existence. He created it. Our way of understanding is inferior to His. The point is, we can't describe Him or understand Him fully because our experience doesn't match His reality. That is why I think of Him as 1×1×1=1 because that is true. 1+1+1=3 is another true statement because math is true, but that expression doesn't line up with Scripture.
@@rachelhayhurst-mason7846 That translation of 1 John 5:7 is a fabrication of the text. Even trinitarians admit that. If you believe the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, then you think that each one is a being because God is a being. If they are different from each other, then they are three different beings. Idk what 1x1x1=1 is supposed to mean. How do you multiply the Father by the Son? There's a difference between something that's incomprehensible and a straight up contradiction. The trinity, the way that it is usually described, is a straight up contradiction. It's trying to say that each person is identical to the same thing but different from each other, which is just a logical impossibility. Any two or more things that are identical to the same thing must be identical to each other.
We know by the holy scriptures the children of Israel could not speak in the Jews' language and the Gentiles are known to speak it. By what authority is that any different to day? Nehemiah 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: 24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people. 25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. 26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. 27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives? Leviticus 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: 33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. 2 Kings 18:17 And the king of Assyria sent Tartan and Rabsaris and Rabshakeh from Lachish to king Hezekiah with a great host against Jerusalem. And they went up and came to Jerusalem. And when they were come up, they came and stood by the conduit of the upper pool, which is in the highway of the fuller's field. 18 And when they had called to the king, there came out to them Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph the recorder. 26 Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I pray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it: and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that are on the wall. 27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? 28 Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria: 29 Thus saith the king, Let not Hezekiah deceive you: for he shall not be able to deliver you out of his hand: (the question truly is: What is the true Hebrew tongue; and what book is likened to the book men call the King James Bible?).
@@1516Taylor The Hebrew Scriptures tell us that the unbelieving Jews would lead the Messiah as a lamb to the slaughter (Isaiah 53), just as the rebellious Jews killed the Jewish prophet Jeremiah.
Disclaimer: I have never attended a seminary and I have no college degrees. The following is strictly a layman’s perspective. I confess to not understanding all of this video well enough to say whether I agree with all of it but I did find it helpful. I consider the God of Moses to be triune but I avoid using the word “Trinity” because the word “Trinity” places an emphasis on the threeness of God without a corresponding emphasis on his oneness. I consider the oneness of God to be at least as important as his threeness. I describe the God of Moses as triune. I derive my usage from the fact that the three strings of a given note in the treble register of a piano is a “triunison” absolutely one note - not three notes - while, at the same time, absolutely three strings - not one string. The word “triune” simultaneously emphasizes the oneness and the threeness of God (as I understand him) but the illustration of a treble note in a piano doesn’t “prove” anything about the nature of God - only that something can simultaneously be one and three. Before my wife and I moved from Iowa to Utah in 1982, I’m reasonably sure that I had never heard any protesant theologian refer to Father, Son and Holy Spirit or any two of those divine persons as “they”. Conversely, during the twenty-five years we lived in Utah, I don’t think I ever heard any LdS (Mormons) speak of Father, Son and Holy Ghost as “he”.
GINOLJC, to all who have an ear to hear. Dr. Brown, whom I commend, have done a good job of trying to explain the Godhead. but he fall short in giving the definitive, and true answer to the Godhead. he gives the suggestion of complex unity for us to better grasp an old error called the doctrine of the trinity. I challenge this concept that God is a unity, complex or not. I will give my key differences to this complex unity in steps. understand, what I am proposing it is not a unity of three person(s), but the "sharing" of one person in another form (flesh/Earthly human flesh), which we call "Diversity of oneness". this doctrine clearly support the fact that God is a plurality of himself. not a separation of person(s), with the idea of being one God which the trinity states, nor an "Echad" of many in which many make one God as Dr. Brown suggested. no, but the "sharing" of one person/Spirit in another "form". hence the numerical difference which is the plurality of God as Spirit. this numerical difference is what we call Diversification in flesh (spirit). to support this doctrine of diversified oneness, one must have the basic working knowledge of the definitions that support it which I will outline in steps that's coming up. in step one we will deal with the plurality of God, which will correct the Echad, and the complex unity theories, and eliminate any three "person(s) in the Godhead. Step #1. definition, A. G243 Allos, in the Greek it means "another". but there are two Greek words for our one English word another, and the other word is G2087 Heteros. here are both definitions. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort; heteros on the other hand expresses a qualitative difference and denotes another of a different sort. study these definitions carefully. B. G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n. or in English "offspring", and it's meaning, 1. kin. and this kin can be abstract or concrete. (in the Lord Jesus case, Kinsman Redeemer. this is exactly why God manifested in flesh to redeem. and the KJV of the bible can translate this word "offspring" as 1. born, 2. country(-man), 3. diversity, 4. generation, 5. kind(-red), 6. nation, 7. offspring, 8. stock. what's intresting is our word "diversity" is there as to how this word G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) can be translated. well, well, well. but the root of this word is G1096 which we will outline in C. C. G1096 γίνομαι ginomai (ǰiy'-no-mai) v. 1. to cause to be (“gen”-erate). 2. (reflexively) to become (come into being). 3. (of events) to happen. these three definition will show us how God is an "another" of himself in flesh as "ONE PERSON" knowing this, it reveals who God was speaking to in Genesis 1:26, when God said, "us", an "our". that "us" and "our", came in the new testament, an "another" of himself, just a teaser, John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make *our* abode with him". see that? "OUR" abode. this is the same "our" that was spoke about in Genesis chapter 1 verse 26. take care Setp #2 later to come. but understand the plurality of God first. Peace in the "ONLY" true and "LIVING" God, Jesus/Yeshua the all mighty.
Love the teaching brother! Have always believed in the triune nature of God but how can I truly verify the real meaning of ECHAD (I've seen websites that say it does NOT mean "compound unity" as you claim). Don't want to allow theological bias to bring me to a false conclusion
Just look at the meaning when God says.. Adam and Eve, One Flesh. Israel, One Nation, as One Heart. The word for Single is YACHID. Search this Question on Quora or Google also has answer
You're misinterpreting Dr. Brown. He didn't say ECHAD means "compound unity", he's saying it *absolutely can* mean complex unity. If you say something is "one thing", that doesn't mean it can't be made up of different parts. That's the point of the Tri-unity
@@christfollowerrenee556 ; Correct .... But therein lay problem for Trinitarians that most of them always miss, including even knowledgeable scholars like Dr. Brown here ... In scripture whenever "echad" is used with various plural or composite modifiers ("**evening and morning** as one day", "the **two** become one flesh", "the **many pieces** of the tabernacle", etc.) it does indicate a unified one. However, when echad has no such plural/composite modifiers in context such as in language of the Shema at Deut. 6:4. Then it means just a solitary or individual one. For instance, if Moses had written "Hear O Israel, the LORD (YHWH) our God, **they** are one LORD (YHWH)" or something similar. Then Trinitarians would have a valid basis to interpret the echad at Deut. 6:4 as a unified one because of the plural modifier "they." But Moses didn't write anything like that. So Trinitarians have no real basis to argue the echad in the Shema must be a unified one other than their dogmatic insistence that it is.
I often wonder how critical God's judgment will be when we die? If someone misunderstands the trinity or God head will they be judged harshly? If we misunderstood scripture will we be cast out? are we to harsh in our criticism of our brothers and sisters? I pray for wisdom in Christ and I pray for all my brothers and sisters that took the time to post, in my eyes it means they care.
BrentMB79 It is Just as well that we are not the final judge. In saying that one. One who has knowledge of the word of God and even sets himself up as a teacher and does not teach what is clearly shown in the word puts themselves in a shaky position. I disagree with Brown and I feel his reasoning is wily and deceitful.
BrentMB79 You talk like this because you love God. You say this because of your sincerity. You are being honest. I get it. God loves you and he cares. God cannot fail. Will He neglect those that seek for Him? No way. So God has provided a way. The way is Jesus. There's only one way to God. Jesus. And here is the problem:---What if they rejected the only way? You cannot plead ignorance and seek for lenient judgement after you rejected the provision of God. In Jesus Mercy is extended to us, a way provided and life given to us. Say Yes.
Short answer No, the holy scriptures doesn’t support our God will judge our misunderstanding of His mystery but sad when we who know Him through a life after Christ will come to know and understand those mysteries when we all come to him in the end. Our focus must be the fear of The Lord..read and study live Holy only relying on your God to give you the strength to come after Him daily...
God is just, He will not be harsh or lenient He will be just, because He is just. In Matt.24:5 we are warned abt people coming to us saying they are "Christ" and leading MANY astray... Many say God was IN Christ NOT that Christ was/is God MADE flesh. I was entangled in such a decption for many years myself, even after having been one of Dr. Brown's graduates. 1John 4:1-6 warns us about the spirit behind all that deny Christ is God-made-flesh. Muslims, Mormans,Oneness Pentecostals, some Messianic Jews,some Hebrew Roots,Sacred Namers, floaters in the Trinitarian world, all who deny that God is Jewish,all "Christians who deny they personally know any Jewish person...etc. All these are under the influence of an antichrist spirit and or doctrine. 2Jn7-8 has a strong and JUST earthly consequence for all these, never mind His JUST consequences for all that follow an imaginary pseudo Christ (a Jesus who was a perfect man in whom God only dwelt, whose very flesh was NOT God).I have learned that "anti" in the word antichrist, means pseudo... All who put their trust in a fake Jesus will they be ok? Is not God loving enough to make the truth clear to them? God did not waste His time writing us a letter He did not intend for us to clearly understand. He has kept His Word in the original autographs, is He not God enough to do that for us today too? In our language too?
If we are believers in Yeshua HaMoshiach and follow his precepts, believing that He and YHVH are one, when we pray should we pray to Yeshua or to God? If they are one in the same does that mean praying to YHVH means you are also praying to Yeshua?
I believe Jesus and his claim about who is the True only God, his father (John 17:3). The same goes as Paul declared, but for us there's only one God, the Father (1 Cor 8: 6). And then our Lord Jesus Christ again stated that jews claimed that his Father was their God. John 8:54, and then Again Jesus our Lord claimed that his Father was also our Father and that His God was our God. John 20:17.
Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father} Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God} And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} But unto the Son he {God} saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us} Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus} And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD} Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV I Timothy 4:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty. {John states the Jesus claims to be God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. This explains how he created all Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all} And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, In His Service,
Candersson Swedican you say half-truths. In Hebrews 1:6 and similar verses Jesus must not be worshiped but be given honor like to a king. the Greek says: προσκυνησατωσαν not λατρευσαν. You say Jesus created everything ... read more carefully next time: "Jesus is the firstborn over all my creation" (Colossians 1:15). "Jesus is the beginning of the creation"(Revelation 3:14). "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son"(John 3:16). "The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old".(Proverbs 8:22-31) (THE LORD GAVE BIRTH TO ME BEFORE ANY OTHER THING). i.imgur.com/pd7OVDX.jpg YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER ME: WILL JESUS BE SUBJECTED TO YHWH IN THE END ? ? ? 1 Corinthians 15: 24 Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
There is a Father who is God, there is a Son who is God, and there is a Spirit who is God. The being that we call God, the being that created the universe consists of these three persons.
One might say that this sounds like a pantheon composed of three gods, with a whole pantheon redefined as "God," and each god redefined as a "person of God".
well, yes, and in John 1:1, The Word was God. We accept is all, and we don't isolate biblical texts. Actually, John 17:3 has a context that is not twisted if it is being isolated as what unitarians always do.
As a oneness believer in watching this and just seeing how Dr.Brown’s theology starts becoming more oneness as we go along He uses the Sun analogy which early trinitarians (who weren’t even real trinitarians more semi-Arian read tertulian against praxis chapter 7) said the early believers who said the Son of God is the Father in the flesh were using this analogy Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. (Since Jesus is the ray of the Sun from the analogy) John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Now I’d agree full heartily when you say that there is One God and that God is One not Three of you see three beings it’s tritheism (belief in 3 Gods) I wouldn’t be comfortable saying that God is a “unity” of Three persons but that the Son of God is God manifested in the Flesh living as a true human being who never had to leave his divine omnipresence behind John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Hebrews 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. Very interesting to see our theology’s start to line up though John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
@@steladimi4785 John 14:9-10 should sum it up perfectly. If Jesus isn’t the Father incarnate then he didn’t answer Philip’s question correctly . John 14:10 [10] Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Colossians 2:9 [9] For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, “The Father that who dwells in me” “For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily” No wonder Isaiah said Isaiah 9:6 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. There isn’t one verse that says an alleged “God the Son” dwells in Jesus. Nor does it say that God is 3 persons The truth is the trinity came from extra biblical revelation. Nobody in the first century said that there is “One God in Three Persons” that’s tritheism. The trinity we know today didn’t even exist till the 5th century they were all seminarians not true trinitarians.
@@samshields1116 saying Jesys is the Father is heresy. It defeats the whole idea of God sending his Son into the world. The Father sent himself in the fork of the Son doesn't make any sense. The Father told His Son all things what He should say and what He should speak. The Father did NOT tell Himself what He should say or what He should speak. Oneness makes zero sense. That isaiah 9:6 verse was Christ being the resprentation of the Everlastibg Father. You deny the Son of God in saying that the Son is the Father. But UNTO the Son He says your throne oh God us forever and ever thats in hebrews 1. Does God have a Son or is the Father his own Son? Also you're wrong the early church fathers beloeved that Jesus and the Father we're distinct yet still one God. Look at the writings of polycarp and Ignatius both students of the apostle John, interesting that they both taught that Jesus was God yet distinct from the Father. Oneness modalism is heresy because you deny the Son of God and say instead the Father is the Son.
@@sonoftheking1977 first of all Jesus said his Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:3) We believe in distinction between Father and Son but not as “God persons” that’s tritheism but as when God incorporated Humanity into his divinity (Hebrews 2:14-17) now in Hebrews 1 where it says your throne oh God is forever and ever it uses italics when it says “he says” meaning it was added into the verse. Really it’s just the writer showing that Jesus is God because if you have God “your throne oh God is forever and ever” we have the Father worshiping the son.I thought that Christ was subordinated to the Father?? I would like to tell you to actually look at the Ministry of Jesus and see who he was trying to get the world to(2nd Corinthians 5:19) John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Is there any verse that says that an alleged “Coequal and coeternal” “God the Son” was in Christ or does it say the Father?? And you now know why Isaiah always prophesied that Jesus would be the arm of the LORD revealed (Isaiah52:10,53:1,59:16)
@@samshields1116 no, what you're saying makes zero sense the Father is not subordinate to the Son by saying your throne oh God is forever He is simply acknowledging His deity. What you're saying literally defeats the entire idea of God the Father sensing His Christ/Son into the world to reign on the throne of David. It completely goes against John 3:16 God sent HIS only begotten Son into the world to reign as king of Israel the davidic king. The one that God had his prophets prophesy about. Isaiah 42:1 "behold my servant whom I uphold my elect one in who my soul delights..." so the Father is speaking about himself as but when He is in the form of the Son??? You'll pervert this tho to support the heresy. Who took the scroll from the hand of the Father in revelation 5? Was it the Father in Son form taking it from the Father in Father form in revelation 5??? How can you not see the nonsense in this heresy? The eternal Son of God was taking the scroll from the hand of His Father who He has reigned with since forever. Phillippians 2:6 says that Jesus is co equal with God. 1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti christ that denies the Father and the Son." Soooo how are you acknowledging the Son when you say He's just the Father who took on humanity? Are you kidding me? Jesus is the Son of God manifest in the flesh. The one that isaiah saw in chapter 6 cross that with John chapter 12. When he saw whos glory now? Its ok I use to be oneness too God will show you the truth bro 🙏
GOD's Triunity is expressly addressed in the Old Covenant (The LORD, The Angel of The LORD & The Spirit of The LORD) & New Covenant (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).
5:25 - Yes. 7:50ff. No. You aren't saying anything significance here but you don't seem to realize it. We use the English word "one" in the same way. A group of multiple things is ONE group. There isn't anything inherent about the English word "one" OR the Hebrew word echad which suggests either word is used to refer to a group of multiple things or a "compound unity." ONE, or echad, is simply a number you can use to refer to A group of multiple things BECAUSE a group of multiple things is ONE group JUST AS one person is one person or one bird is one bird. Where Deut 6:4 completely defeats the Trinity is when you realize that Jesus, a Jew under Law, was required to obey the Shema command and his God wasn't a Triune being. He showed us how Dt 6:4 was to be obeyed; his only God was only his Father. The true Christian God is Jesus Christ's God and his God is not a Triune being.
Jesus is the name of our God. The Father has given his name to His Son as His seal and authority so people will believe in the Son using His name. Explore John 17:11 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
OurHumbleLife May the One Lord who is God bless you in His personal name Jesus the Christ who is the One Lord. Jesus is YHWH the name of YHWH is Jesus don't be confusedsalvation is very important. R u a trinitarian? He is the God you're looking for. Jesus is the everlasting Father "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6). Peace be with you in the name of Jesus the name above all names. You cannot call yourself a true Christian if you do not confess that Jesus is Lord and He is the One True God.
jolan alcala Jesus is "Lord" because GOD, his father, *made* him "Lord". Acts 2:36 "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that *God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”* GOD, Himself, has told us that His name is YHWH *forever* and The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ is GOD's *SON*, so I am not sure why you are saying that YHWH's name is Jesus. No, I am definitely not looking for the trinitarian god. I serve the same GOD whom Jesus Christ serves. *Nowhere* does The Bible tell us we must confess that Jesus is the one true GOD, so what gives you the right to tell me that I am not a true Christian unless I confess this? The Bible DOES tell us to confess that Jesus is GOD's *son*. 1 John 4:15
When people draw these circles and triangles trying to explain God, I think they are skirting idolatry. But if I were trying to illustrate God, it would be one circle with the name YHVH in the middle. The circle is the Holy Spirit of course and YHVH is the Father and the Son because YHVH is their surname. But it couldn't be a circle of course, because God is omni everything. He has no bounds. "When you say something isn't in the Bible, "but it's there", that's called eisegesis. The reason "trinity" isn't in the Bible is because it isn't in the Bible. This is from the entity who gave you the false trinity doctrine. They admit that it is unbiblical, yet they still teach it. Catholic Encyclopedia Trinity: The Dogma of the Trinity: "The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion-the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are THREE PERSONS, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these THREE PERSONS being truly distinct one from another. The Persons are CO-ETERNAL and CO-EQUAL: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Divine Persons are denoted together. The word TPIAS (of which the Latin TRINITAS is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the TRINITY of God [the Father], His WORD and His WISDOM” (“AD. AUTO1”., II, 15, P.G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course have been in use before his time. Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of TRINITAS in Tertullian (“De pud”, c. xxi, P.G., II 1026). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of origin. The writers of this school contend that The doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but it was first formulated in the second century and recieved final aprobation in the fourth century, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies. " The New Catholic Encyclopedia - 1967, VOL. XIV, PAGE 299: "The formulation “one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the fourth century. But it is precisely this formulation that first claimed to title “The Trinitarian Dogma.” Among the apostlic fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." Is your spirit you, or is it another person? It is not you. But God's Spirit is Him, because God is a Spirit, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. We on the otherhand are dust. The Bible doesn't say we are spirits living in a flesh body. It says we are dust, and spirit is the breath of life from God that makes the dust alive. Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: FOR DUST THOU ART, and unto dust shalt thou return. Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Spirit is the supernatural ingredient from God that makes inanimate matter, animate. Without spirit, there would be no life on Earth, just a dead rock. Ye must be born again. Jesus was explaining the resurrection. We had to be born to come into this physical world. We will have to be "born again" in the resurrection to come into the kingdom of God. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (physical birth, born) and of the Spirit (resurrected, born again), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh IS flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit. We are still flesh (dust), we are not yet spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? We are not yet like the wind. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
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It took me years, decades to understand the Trinity. But it was revealed to me after seeking God. Here it goes: God is an all powerful, immutable, incomprehensible being. We have never seen or heard him at ANY time. He knows his glory is too powerful to reveal to us directly. However, he does desire for us to know him and to participate in his own creation. As such, he conceives of himself as the Son, the eternal Logos, which is how God sees himself in the form of the son of man. This is exactly what Daniel 7 was trying to reveal to us. The son of man comes on the clouds with glory and given dominion over all things not because he was the messiah, but because he is the direct reflection of God as man. And the Logos though he is fully God is still in awe of God because the glory is incomprehensible. So in truth, it’s not really modalism nor is it 3 separate beings. It is one God who reflects himself in the person of the Son strictly so we can know him and his plan for us. The ultimate goal of life is to achieve theosis. That is, God came to earth incarnated as the man Jesus so that we might find abundant life and commune with god directly - in fact, our purpose is to become Son of God like Christ. Oddly enoug the title son of god is meant for us and the son of man title only applies to the Logos. This is the truth that I sought after to for decades and was revealed to me in on single instance.
God being infinite and having no form, saw in Himself the image of Jesus; God in finite form. It is kinda like the movie "Avatar", where Jesus is the avatar of God, basically. God in two places at the same time, every time. God is His own witness. He knows all aspects of the situation we're in: "At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; *but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death*." - Deuteronomy ch17 v6. Hallelujah!
amen! Dr Brown the shema Yísrael is there a reason it mentions Lord, God, Lord? like the angles in heaven singing holy 3 times?? i always used the text where Jesus said i proceedeth forth and came from God. adam and eve echad, isaac the yachid son of Abraham
Why do you keep saying they (Jews) focus on His unity, when they actually focus on His oneness? Unity, in modern English, focuses on uniting multiples and does not properly apply to God who is not a united multiple but is a single being. He is 1 being and not one as in multiple united. This is completely foreign to both the Old and New Testament actually. Nowhere does the Bible use the word for unity in relation to the one God. It's not like the writers (or the God who inspired them) didn't know the word henotēs in the New Testament (it's used twice).
Man is spirit he possess a soul and he lives in a body that is three . No one knows the Son but the Father, no one knows the Father but the Son and to whom the Son wants to reveal it. Jesus said before Abraham was I Am. In other words Jesus was there before he was born as a human. Plse explain and study this before time of man God the Father , God the Son , And God the Holy Spirit must have been in spirit not flesh and sat on the throne. Now when Jesus was conceived with all respect, why did The Holy spirit came down to bring forth Jesus . Why did the Son in Spirit not bring forth the Son to the flesh. Who stayed behind on the throne(s) ? Please can someone explain to me.
God is Light and Jesus is the Light of the World. A bright white light is actually a combination of at least Red and Green and Blue light. The same with Trinity.
@@ManlyServant So what does Love mean? If you are the only single human in earth. How will you define love and even claim yourself, you are a loving being?
Trying to force three into one sounds man-made to me. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Jesus is excluded from the God equation.
@@BC-vo3ih the ancient Jews had known about the personhood of God This verse came from a Jew too Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form And lets see what the Jewish Sage have to say about the divinity of the Messiah. In the OT no one except for God himself is called YHWH, (LORD) but here the Messiah receives the name “the LORD our righteousness”. As opposed to names like Daniel (the LORD is my judge) or Elinadav (My LORD is gracious) here, the explicit name of God is mentioned. Y-H-W-H. To make sure you can’t accuse us of using a missionary-christian interpretation let’s see how the Sages interpreted this passage. In the Midrash Proverbs section 19 it says: “Rav Huna says: the 7 names of the Messiah are Ynon, the Lord our righteousness, Branch, Consoler, David, Shilo and Elijah.” And in Midrash Lamentations 1 the passage is interpreted: “What is the name of the Messiah King? Rabbi Abba Bar Kahana says: ‘The Lord’ is his name, and this is what they will call him: ‘The Lord our Righteousness’.” According to Rabbi Johanan bar Nappaha the Messiah will be called by the name of God. “Rabbi Johanan said: ‘Those three will be called by God’s name: The righteous ones, the Messiah and Jerusalem… the Messiah, as it is written (Jeremiah 23) and this is the name that they will call him: The Lord our Righteousness.
Hi Bill! Just some of my thoughts regarding the verses that you reference: John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ , whom you have sent" I think the word "and" is very important to understanding this verse correctly. Jesus is saying that eternal life is to know the Father AND the Son (himself). This is consistent with John's other writings (I John 5:20 and I John 5:10-12). Furthermore, it is consistent with the gospel of John itself which literally begins with a statement of Christ's (the Word) oneness of nature with the Father. Jesus' words in 17:3 only confirm and reaffirm the theology with which John opens the book with: the unity of deity shared by Father and Son as well as the distinctness of their persons ("with God" and "was God"). In other words, I don't think the context of John's writings as a whole, nor the Gospel of John itself, allow for Jesus's words in this verse to be interpreted as a separation and distinction of the Father's and Son's nature or essence. I Corinthians 8:6 echoes the Hebrew Shema found in the Septuagint at Deut. 6:4 (follows the same grammatical construction...a construction that the Corinthians would have been very aware of and that Paul was certainly aware of). A sacred prayer of the Jews, this would NEVER be used of anything or anyone but God himself. The mere notion that Jesus could be included/incorporated into even a hint of the Shema would be reprehensible to any Jew (which Paul was) if in fact Jesus was not deity. I pray that God will lead both you and I into his truth. May he forgive me if I have misrepresented him here.
Hi Michael. I am an elderly French lady from Australia. I came out of JWs 30 years ago and out of SDAs few years ago. Since then, I am struggling with the Trinity. I have few questions to ask you. I hope you will take the time to answer me as it is very important for me. I am searching for the truth and don't want to be deceived. I watched your debates with James White on the Trinity. I would like to know why Jesus called His Father His God in few verses. Jesus has a God like us. Also, are we supposed to worship on the Sabbath as there is no verse commanding us to worship on Sunday? Are we supposed to celebrate the Jewish feasts? Thanks for taking the time to read my text and answer it. God bless you and your ministry
Hebrews 1:8 This is the FATHER speaking which i am sure all on here would agree is GOD " But unto the Son HE said: " Thy throne O GOD is fro EVER and EVER.."
+Eric Pennick Jesus spoke of Pss. in John 10:34. The word god can be used generically. When Jesus defended himself from the Jews: [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Jesus called them gods or at least referenced Pss. 82:6 in his defense. Pss.82[6] I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Nobody is disputing the Trinity, I'm certainly not. The father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Immanuel is the Son, but Jesus never said he was god any more than the Pharisees we're god.
+questioneverything2 So did the SON always exist from ETERNITY past? How can both John and Paul says that all things were CREATED by CHRIST if CHRIST is NOT GOD?
+Eric Pennick the Son of God is Immanuel, Immanuel is a Spirit as God is a Spirit. Spirit begot Spirit. flesh begot flesh. yes, Emmanuelle was with God from the foundation of the earth, however, Immanuel is not the Godhead, Immanuel was begotten, the only begotten of the father, just the same as a son is begotten from his father and mother. the body is a temple, Immanuel resided inside the flesh or temple. Immanuel temple went by the name of Jesus. that is why Jesus never claimed to be God. However, the indwelling Spirit of Jesus, Immanuel, was before Abraham was. God's Spoken Word was made flesh, so that Immanuel / God came "IN" the flesh. not as sinful flesh but in sinful flesh. when Jesus was baptized by John, that is win the Spirit descended on Jesus like a dove that's also when Jesus became filled with the spirit. it was Immanuel that descended on Jesus, God spoke and said of the descending spirit, this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. Then Jesus / Immanuel could perform the miracles listed in the Bible.
1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear witness in heaven; the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept, I hope everyone comes to the truth of the Trinity.
Henry Santiago This isn’t true. There’s quotes from the early church going back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries using 1 John 5:7. www.chick.com/information/article?id=Is-I-John-5:7-Missing-From-Older-Manuscripts Stick to the KJV 1611! It’s God’s perfect word!
The doctrine of the trinity is one of many catholic church false teaching and satans biggest lie! 2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” IF
If Walker The doctrine of trinity is inside the torah and has nothing todo with catolic or not catolic. First understand the word YHVH and then we will talk again!!!!
If you have a problem with God being three persons yet One, look what Yeshua, Jesus prayed for all those that truly believe His word. John 17: 20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be IN US, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. Us being one with God.......That will get rid of aimless worthlessness. At a cost though. Matthew 16: 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Revelation 3: 2 Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God. 3 So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you. Take up your cross daily and with joy unspeakable, full of glory, serve your Master Blessings
The Holy Trinity is all over the Tanakh. Here is one example: Isaiah 48:16 - “Come near to Me, listen to this: From the beginning I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit.” The word translated God here is YHWA and this is Jesus speaking saying God the Father sent Him and the Holy Spirit.
if that is true, the book of Revelation do not agree with your assessment. and here's why. in rev. 1:1 one sends "his" angel to John ... right. well the angel who was sent tells us who sent him in rev 22:6 he, the angel said it was the Lord God of the Holy Prophets, the same Lord God Isaiah 48:16. well the problem comes in at rev 22:16, for it is the Lord Jesus who sent the ange, who is the Lord God of Isaiah 48:16... now, if the Lord God is Jesus, whom many here say is the "Son", well who was sent if Jesus the Son is the Lord God?.
No Michael Brown claims to believe in a Trinity. I also am a Oneness Pentecostal but I have been praying for our Jewish friends who are holding onto the Trinitarian dogma developed by the RCC. Tertullian wrote in his book Against Praxeus (see chapter 3) that "they that always constitute the majority of believers reject the economy (Trinitas)" and he acknowledged that the majority of believers in his day (160-225 AD) were Modalistic Monarchians. I have the historical and scriptural evidence to prove that the Trinitarian dogma developed and that the majority of Christians were Monarchian Modalists who believed the same theology of us Oneness Pentecostals. Praying for all Jews who stand for Jesus to come back to the faith that was once delivered to the saints by the original Jewish apostles. Free books and articles at apostolicchristianfaith.com
Dr Michael Brown is Trinitarian like me 🙂 Every Trinity Believer is in the right knowing of Who GOD is according to His WORD. To believe that GOD is TRIUNE is not a deception 🙂 Outside this teaching (Trinity/Trinitas/Trias) is a dangerous attempt to represent the GOD according to the Bible that He's not Triune. There's no other Truth outside the Doctrine of the Trinity (Theologically and Biblically) accurate and not heretic. All of us are seeking The Truth until we find it. Trinity is what The Bible teaches.
Anyone interested in the Trinity will find the book by Allah Segal called "Two Powers In Heaven" very interesting. In Second Temple Judaism there were Jews believed in Yahweh who was complex in His Unity, that there were two in the Hebrew Bible called Yahweh who were distinct from one another and yet the same. The book goes through Judaism, Christianity and Gnosticism to show its not as fine cut as many believe today. In fact it looks like it was the rise of Christianity that forced many Jews to adopt the Unitiarian concept of God after the 2nd century AD, as a polemic against Jewish Christians. The Godhead is there in the pages of both Testaments.
YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER ME: WILL JESUS BE SUBJECTED TO YHWH IN THE END ? ? ? 1 Corinthians 15: 24 Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
The belief that the G-d of our forefathers is a trinity or complex unity is NOT in Tanach, nor a belief passed down to us by our prophets, judges/elders, sages, etc. Quite to the contrary, the trinity mystery doctrine was a creation of a few gentile church fathers centuries after the Nazarene, as noted many times already, and backed up with historical evidence from top Xtian scholars and church historians: 1. Dr. William Craig himself was forced to admit there is no trinity concept in the Hebrew Scriptures: Dr. William Lane Craig admits that the Trinity is NOT FOUND in the Old Testament !! MUST SEE 2. "And remember, the concept of the Trinity came about when followers of Jesus looked at all the pieces of the puzzle and tried to put together the evidence of the Scriptures" (Michael Brown---Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus : Volume 2: Theological Objections, p. 4) 3. "There is in the Old Testament no indication of distinctions in the Godhead; it is an anachronism to find either the doctrine of the Incarnation or that of the Trinity in its pages" ("God," Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Vol. 6, p. 254). 4. "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity" (The Encyclopedia of Religion, ed. Mircea Eliade, Macmillan Publishing Company, 1987, Vol. 15, p. 54). 5. "The doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 306). 6. "The Old Testament tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.... There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead.... Even to see in the Old Testament suggestions or foreshadowings or ‘veiled signs’ of the Trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers" (Edmund J. Fortman, The Triune God, Baker Book House, 1972, pp. xv, 8, 9). 7. "There is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed but not a new theology…And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one God" (L.L. Paine, A Critical History of the Evolution of Trinitarianism, Houghton Mifflin and Co., 1900, p. 4). 8. "The Old Testament can scarcely be used as authority for the existence of distinctions within the Godhead. The use of ‘us’ by the divine speaker (Gen. 1:26, 3:32, 11:7) is strange, but it is perhaps due to His consciousness of being surrounded by other beings of a loftier order than men (Isa. 6:8)" (A.B. Davidson, "God," Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. II, p. 205). 9. "From Philo onward, Jewish commentators have generally held that the plural [Gen. 1:26, ‘Let us make man....’] is used because God is addressing his heavenly court, i.e., the angels (cf. Isa. 6:8). [This is also the explanation given by the NIV Study Bible] From the Epistle of Barnabas and Justin Martyr, who saw the plural as a reference to Christ, Christians have traditionally seen this verse as foreshadowing the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to the original author" (Gordon Wenham, Word Commentary on Genesis, p. 27). 10. "Because the Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it is striking that the term does not appear in the NT. Likewise the developed concept of three coequal partners in the Godhead found in later creedal formulations cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon" (Oxford Companion to the Bible, ed. Bruce Metzger, OUP, 1993, p. 782). 11. "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible.... It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church until the fourth century" (Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Intervarsity Press, Tyndale House Publishers, 1980, part 3, p. 1). 12. "The Trinity is not directly and immediately the Word of God" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 304). 13. "In Scripture there is yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word ‘Trias’ (of which the Latin ‘Trinitas’ is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about 180 AD.... Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of ‘Trinitas’ in Tertullian" (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912, Vol. 15, p. 47). 14. "Hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for [Tertullian] does not apply the words [which were later applied to Trinitarianism] to Trinitarian theology" (Michael O’Carroll, Trinitas: A Theological Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity, 1987, p. 208). The above quotes from top church scholars and historians should help people realize, that according to Xtian sources, the mystery doctrine Xtians are being fed can be traced back to a few gentile "church fathers" in leadership nearly 100-200 yrs after the Nazarene. There is NO LINK of a mystery trinity doctrine teaching from the Nazarene or his brother James (left in charge according to early church historians)! The Jewish people have NEVER received such teaching from the G-d of Israel in Sinai, Moses, the Torah, or the Prophets, till today. There is NOTHING in the Hebrew Scriptures teaching about a trinitarian mystery doctrine, and nothing of the sort expressly found in the NT as well. II. Now, concerning the verses I have brought up which clearly show the Nazarene was a strict Jewish unitarian monotheist, you have failed once again to address the clear statements of the Nazarene on these matters, while choosing to instead look for verses from his followers which contradict the Nazarene and take the gentile church father side on the matter. John 17:3, "This is eternal life, that they may know You (Heavenly Father), the only true G-d, and Iesous the messiah whom You have sent." Luke 18:18-20, "A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ John 5:44, "How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?" John 20:17, "Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" Once, the above verses show beyond any shadow of doubt that the Nazarene NEVER thought/taught himself to be the true G-d of Israel. Just the opposite, he taught that the only the Heavenly Father is the true G-d, and that this is his G-d just as it is the G-d of his Jewish bretheren, etc. He taught he was called and sent by the only true G-d and that he was His servant, and identified himself with "son of man", "annointed one", messianic references, but NEVER as G-d himself. Mark 12:28-34, "One of the teachers of the Law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” 32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but Him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions." Here we see the Nazarene affirming the age old Jewish declaration that HaShem our G-d is one. He answered a "teacher of the Law", a first century pharisee sage of his day, and identified with the strictly monotheistic unitarian knowledge of the Jewish people that HaShem, our Heavenly Father (Deut 1:31, 8:5, 32:6, Isaiah 63:16, Isaiah 64:8, Jer 3:19, etc.), is the only true G-d and there is none other beside Him. The answer from the Nazarene pleased the Pharisean teacher of the Law, and the teacher of the Law's reply also found favor in the Nazarene's eyes. It is clear from here that the Nazarene once again affirmed his belief to his audience that the Heavenly Father is our G-d and that He is one, as understood by the audience. Consequently, any verse from any other disciple or NT author claiming the contrary, is against Torah and Hebrew Scriptures, and the Nazarene himself, and must be seen as heretical and rejected w/ both hands. 15. The formulation ‘One God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 14, p. 299). 16. "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word Trinity appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord" (Arthur Weigall, The Paganism in our Christianity, G.P. Putnam and Sons, 1928, p. 198) 17. "Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary a deviation from this teaching" (The Encyclopedia Americana, p. 1956, p. 2941) 18. "No Apostle would have dreamed of thinking that there are three divine Persons" (Emil Brunner, Christian Doctrine of God, Dogmatics, Vol. 1, p. 226). 19. "The New Testament writers...give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three equal divine persons.... Nowhere do we find any Trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead" (Fortman, The Triune God, pp. xv, xvi, 16).
@Saint of Dynasty I meant a response to his post, also the truth he posted was various dictionaries, encyclopedias and other authorities clearly showing the trinity was a later development, unless these authorities are false??
I loved the explanation of one God up until "the eternal preexistent Son." The history behind this teaching is not biblical but Greek philosophy. The Ante-Nicene Fathers borrowed this concept from Philo of Alexandria. The common application of the word "Logos" or expression used in the bible was replaced with the pagan Greek Logos as the divine messenger. I would love to compare notes. The term "Trinity" was given to us by the Ante-Nicene Fathers. Theophilus was the first to use this word in his writings in 180 A.D.
How do you explain Genesis 18, Genesis 12, and Exodus 24 when they see God? The exact same way Jesus is the Logos/Word/Memra/Malakh as seen in the New Testament.
Justin Thomas There is no proof that one of the angels that appeared to Abraham on the plains of Mamre was the second divine person of a 3 person deity. Heb. 1:1 proves that the Son did not speak to the Israelites until these last days. The Book of Jasher is mentioned in Joshua 10:12-13 when Lord stopped the sun in the middle of the day during the battle of Beth Horon. It is also mentioned in 2 Samuel 1:18-27 as containing the Song or Lament of the Bow, that mournful funeral song which David composed at the time of the death of Saul and Jonathan. Since inspired scripture itself gives credence to the authenticity of this book, then surely we can also read it as a reliable source. JASHER CHAPTER 18:4 "And Yahweh appeared to him in the plain of Mamre, and SENT THREE OF HIS MINISTERING ANGELS to visit him, and he was sitting at the door of the tent, and he lifted his eyes and saw, and lo three men were coming from a distance, and he rose up and ran to meet them, and he bowed down to them and brought them into his house." Notice how the book of Jasher states that Yahweh sent three angels and that only two of the angels went to Sodom. Here the book of Jasher says that all three of the men were angels. Both the Bible and the book of Jasher says that these men were angels. Trinitarians allege that one of the men was literally Yahweh God Himself or a pre-incarnate Son of God because God had spoken through one of the angels.
Justin Thomas What is the passage in Genesis 12? Exodus 24 does not prove that the 70 Elders actually SAW the God of Israel with their physical eyes. DEUTERONOMY 5:4 PROVES THAT YAHWEH ALSO TALKED TO THE ISRAELITES “FACE TO FACE.” Deuteronomy 5:4-5 “YAHWEH SPOKE TO YOU FACE TO FACE at the mountain from the midst of the fire, while I was standing between YAHWEH and you at that time, to declare to you the word of YAHWEH; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain.” THE WORDS “FACE TO FACE” IN THIS CONTEXT PROVES THAT GOD’S FACE WAS NOT ACTUALLY SEEN. Therefore the words “face to face” are a figurative or an idiomatic Hebrew expression for closeness to God’s glory. Yet there is no evidence to prove that any mortal man has been so close to God that he was actually able to see the fullness of His glory with human eyes. IN DEUTERONOMY 5:4 MOSES WAS REFERRING TO THE GIVING OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ON MOUNT SINAI IN EXODUS CHAPTER 20. THEREFORE THE ISRAELITES DID NOT ACTUALLY SEE GOD FACE TO FACE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY SEE GOD AS ONE SEES WITH THE EYES. Deuteronomy 4:12, 15-16 "And Yahweh spoke unto you out of the midst of the fire: you heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only you heard a voice …. Take you therefore good heed unto yourselves; for you saw no manner of similitude on the day that Yahweh spoke unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest you corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female." But did Moses really see God face to face with his human eyes? In Exodus 33 Moses was only permitted to see God’s BACK. Exodus 33:18-23 “18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”19 And YAHWEH said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, YAHWEH, in your presence ... 20 But,” he said, “You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” 21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and YOU WILL SEE MY BACK; but my face must not be seen.” Wherefore, Moses did not actually see God’s literal back. He only saw a portion of the GLORY of God’s presence as He passed by. THE PROPHETS SAW VISIONS OF GOD WHEN THEY SAW GOD The prophets who did “see God” also clearly stated that they were seeing visions of God. Isaiah 1:1 “The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz concerning Judah and Jerusalem, which he saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.” Ezekiel 1:1 “Now it came about in the thirtieth year, on the fifth day of the fourth month, while I was by the river Chebar among the exiles, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.” Daniel 7:13-14 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.” Revelation 1:10 “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.” THE OLD COVENANT LAW WAS GIVEN BY ANGELS. Acts 7:35-38 "This Moses whom they rejected … is the one God sent to be a ruler and deliverer BY THE HAND OF THE ANGEL WHO APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BUSH … This is he (Moses), that was in the church in the wilderness with THE ANGEL WHICH SPOKE TO HIM IN THE MOUNT SINAI, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us …” Acts 7:53 “Who have RECEIVED THE LAW BY THE DIRECTION OF ANGELS, and have not kept it." Galatians 3:19 The Law “… was ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator (Moses).” THE GREEK WORD TRANSLATED AS “ORDAINED” IS “DIATASSO” WHICH MEANS “TO COMMAND.” THEREFORE THE LAW WAS COMMANDED BY ANGELS IN THE HAND OF MOSES. ALTHOUGH YAHWEH GOD TALKED TO THE ISRAELITES, THE SCRIPTURES APPEAR TO STATE THAT YAHWEH’S ACTUAL VOICE WAS NOT HEARD BY THE ISRAELITES. Hebrews 2:2 “For if THE WORD SPOKEN BY ANGELS was steadfast (THE LAW), and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation (NEW COVENANT SALVATION) …” ALTHOUGH YAHWEH GOD GAVE THE LAW TO THE ISRAELITES THROUGH ANGELS, YAHWEH’S VOICE AND FORM WAS NOT ACTUALLY HEARD OR SEEN. IF PROPHETS CAN SPEAK THE WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF AS MESSENGERS, HOW MUCH MORE CAN THE HOLY ANGELS which stand continually in His presence? Many scriptures can be given as references to prove that even human prophets spoke like angelic messengers in that they spoke as the agents of God Himself. Therefore the Spirit of God Himself gave the prophets the very words of God as God spoke through them as messengers yet we cannot state that the messengers themselves were God. I can give many examples where human messengers also spoke as God but I will submit just one: 1 Kings 11:29-39 29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field: 30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces: 31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take you ten pieces: for thus says YAHWEH, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: God said, “I WILL.” ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.” 32 (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:) TWO REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “MY SERVANT,” “I HAVE,” 33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in my eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. FIVE REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “FORSAKEN ME,” “MY WAYS,” “MY EYES,” “MY STATUTES,” “MY JUDGMENTS.” 34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes: SIX REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL,” “I WILL,” “MY SERVANT’S,” “I CHOSE,” “MY COMMANDMENTS,” “MY STATUTES.” 35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes. ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.” 36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there. FIVE REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I GIVE,” “MY SERVANT,” “BEFORE ME,” “I HAVE CHOSEN,” “MY NAME.” 37 And I will take thee, and you shall reign according to all that your soul desires, and shall be king over Israel. ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.” 38 And it shall be, if you will hearken unto all that I command thee, and will walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with you, and build you a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto you. EIGHTH REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I COMMAND,” “MY WAYS,” “MY SIGHT,” “MY STATUTES,” “MY COMMANDMENTS,” “MY SERVANT,” “I WILL BE WITH YOU,” “I BUILT FOR DAVID.” 39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever. ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.” Notice that God spoke directly through the prophet Ahijah 30 times by saying words like: ME, I WILL, I HAVE, MY SIGHT, MY SERVANT, MY STATUTES, MY JUDGMENTS, MY WAYS, and so forth. God spoke through the prophet by repeatedly using the words, “I, Me, and My.” Therefore it was not Ahijah that was speaking but God Himself who spoke through the prophet. Wherefore, just as no one should call the prophets visible Theophanies or Christophanies for speaking as the mouthpiece of God, so no one should call Angelic messengers Theophanies or Christophanies either. No Trinitarian can provide us with a single passage of scripture which proves beyond a reasonable doubt that any of the angelic messengers were actually appearances of the Son of God prior to His birth at Bethlehem. Furthermore, if any of the angelic messengers were appearances of the Son of God prior to His birth at Bethlehem then we must reject the book of Hebrews as the Word of God. For Hebrews 1:1-2 says that “God … spoke in times past to the Fathers by the prophets, has IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON.” Why would inspired scripture say that God spoke to the Israelite Fathers by the prophets (as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures) has in these last days spoken unto us by His Son if God had also spoken to us through His Son in the Hebrew scriptures? Therefore Hebrews 1:1-2 prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Son of God did not speak to humanity “until these last days.” Hence, it is unscriptural to allege that the Son of God actually spoke as angelic Theophanies or Christophanies prior to His virgin conception and birth. PART 3. CHRISTOPHANIES AND THEOPHANIES ARE NOT ANGELS THE OLD TESTAMENT LAW WAS GIVEN BY ANGELS. Galatians 3:19 The Law “… was ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator (Moses).” ORDAINED is translated from the Greek word diatassó (dee-at-as’-so) which means, “To give orders to, command, Prescribe.” The word “diatasso” is commonly used throughout the New Testament for giving “orders,” “commandments,” or “instructions.” So we could translate Galatians 3:19 as the Law “… was commanded, instructed, or prescribed by angels in the hand of a mediator (Moses).” HEBREWS 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD HIMSELF. ANGELIC APPEARANCES BROUGHT THE PRESENCE, POWER, AND MESSAGES OF GOD BUT THE ANGELIC MESSENGERS WERE NOT GOD HIMSELF. AN ANGEL WRESTLED WITH JACOB IN Genesis 32:24 “Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until the breaking of day. JACOB CALLED THE NAME OF THE PLACE WHERE THE ANGEL WRESTLED WITH HIM PENIEL IN Genesis 32:30 “So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: ‘for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.’” YET Hosea 12:3-4 PROVES THAT THE ANGEL WAS NOT GOD. “He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God: Yes, he had power over the angel, and prevailed.” HOW COULD JACOB SAY HE SAW GOD FACE TO FACE WHEN HE SAW AN ANGEL? In the ancient Semitic “law of agency,” “A PERSON’S AGENT IS REGARDED AS THE PERSON HIMSELF (Ned. 72b; Kidd. 41b).” The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, Adama Books, New York, NY, 1986, pg.15 states: “The angels that spoke the law were Yahweh's agents or representatives. As such, they had full authority to not only speak in His name, but to seemingly appropriate His name as in Exodus 20:2; ‘I am Yahweh thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.’ They were speaking exactly what Yahweh wanted them to say.” Exodus 23:20-23 "Behold, I send an Angel before you, to keep you in the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if you shall indeed obey his voice (THE ANGEL’S VOICE), and DO ALL THAT I SPEAK (GOD’S SPOKEN MESSAGES); then I will be an enemy unto your enemies, and an adversary unto your adversaries. For my angel shall go before you, and bring you in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off." THE ANGEL WAS THE ACTUAL MESSENGER SPEAKING TO THE ISRAELITES WHILE YAHWEH GOD HIMSELF COMMANDED THE ANGEL TO DELIEVER “ALL THAT I SPEAK.” Genesis.22:10-12 - "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. And the angel of Yahweh called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not your hand upon the lad, neither do anything unto him: for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son FROM ME." Notice how we can detect the angel’s voice when he said, “now I know that you fear God.” Yet we can also see that the message of God Himself spoke through the angel when he said, “seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son FROM ME.” I copied and pasted this data from my notes which have not yet been posted on my web site at apostolicchristianfaith.com
Steven Ritchie How can you miss the obvious? Three physical "men" appear to Abraham. Two (identified as angels) go on to Sodom. Who is the one who remains back??? Between Gen. 18:22-33, the third "man" is identified as the LORD seven times! And we know that at the same time God would have been in heaven. In fact the Lord on earth and the Lord in heaven are mentioned in the same verse: Gen. 19:24! Now, let's hear you attempt to explain it all away.....
55k3v1n John 1:18 states that "no man has seen God ..." The text does not say, "God the Father." Hence, the whole Individual Being of God has never been seen by human eyes! So if the Son was actually seen by human eyes as an alleged God the Son (before the Son was in flesh), then the Son could not be God. Therefore you Trinitarians are really teaching a form of Arianism (a lesser god under the true God) while us Oneness Pentecostals are teaching the full deity of Christ! Some patriarchs and OT prophets saw God only by visions, dreams, and angelic manifestations via "the law of agency" but they did not actually see the fullness of God's glory. In the Semitic “law of agency,” “A PERSON’S AGENT IS REGARDED AS THE PERSON HIMSELF (Ned. 72b; Kidd. 41b).” The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, Adama Books, New York, NY, 1986, pg. 15 states: “The angels that spoke the law were Yahweh's agents or representatives. As such, they had full authority to not only speak in His name, but to seemingly appropriate His name as in Exodus 20:2; ‘I am Yahweh thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.’ They were speaking exactly what Yahweh wanted them to say.” Moses was permitted to see the back portion of God's glorious presence as the Almighty passed by while he was hid in the cleft of the rock, but he could not have actually seen the fullness of God's glory (His face) or he would have died. If there were 3 coequal Persons called God then each divine Person should be fully God without any difference in attributes. Hence, "No man has seen God" would mean that no man would be able to see any true God Person. If an alleged coequal God the Son was just as coequal as God the Father, then no one should be able to see an alleged second God the Son Person either. For If the Son's divine attributes are not completely equal with the divine attributes of God the Father, then how could they both be coequal? Could the Father be so much more radiant in glory than an alleged coequal God the Son that we can only see the Son but not the Father? That would be an Arian Son rather than a Trinitarian Son! Therefore the words, "No man has seen GOD at any time" would also have to apply to a coequal God the Son Person. If not, then the Son could not be fully coequal, could he? Some prophets and patriarchs saw God in visions, dreams, and through angelic appearances through the Hebrew law of agency. Therefore to see the messenger (the angel) was to see the God Himself. Furthermore, Hebrews 1:2 proves that God spoke through the prophets and through angels but not through His Son until "these last days." Therefore the Son could not have been one of those angelic appearances because God did not speak to the Israelites by His Son until "these last days." "For to which of the angels did He (God) ever say, 'You are My Son, THIS DAY have I begotten (given birth to) you.? And again, 'I WILL BE a Father to him (the Son), and he SHALL BE a Son to Me (Heb. 1:5)." Hence, the Son could not have been one of those OT angels because God never spoke to an angel as a Son. Furthermore, the Son could not have literally existed as an actual distinct person until God actually Fathered a Son via His own Holy Spirit within the virgin (Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35).
you are correct. This is exactly what I heard the other night. Jesus told me that "Humans got the trinity all wrong." He gave me the understanding that the Trinity doctrine that there are three ENTITIES in one God is incorrect. There is God, His Word, His Spirit. God sent Jesus to us as the WORD made flesh. Jesus told us he would not leave us orphans and God's Spirit was sent to us. Ultimately, not three entities, just our Father giving us his WORD as the lamb of God and much more, and his Spirit to comfort and guide us. So simple yet religion and it's scholars cannot figure it out. It takes God to make something clear to us..
Jesus told you this ? Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father} Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God} And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} But unto the Son he {God} saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us} Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus} And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD} Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV I Timothy 4:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty. {John states the Jesus claims to be God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. This explains how he created all Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all} And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, In His Service,
@@canderssonswedican7486 the actual translation for Isaiah 9:6 is “the Everlasting Father and Mighty God will call him prince of peace” and the translation that was made to the bibles were made in a future tense but in Hebrew is talking about a son that was already born.
@@clarkkent6585 For a Child is born unto us a Son is given unto us and will be the government upon His shoulder and will be called His name Wonderful Counselor God Mighty Everlasting-Father Prince of Peace כִּי־ יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־ לָ֗נוּ בֵּ֚ן נִתַּן־ לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־ שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔וֹר אֲבִיעַ֖ד שַׂר־ שָׁלֽוֹם׃
5:00 - He's right that _echad_ simply means "one," but it is unclear from Deuteronomy 6:4 alone whether it is to be understood as a simple unity or a complex unity. If you "supplement" it with earlier verses (Genesis 1:26-27), which provide grammatical evidence for a simple unity, then Deuteronomy 6:4 must agree with the earlier passages. In other words, _echad_ in the Shema means a simple unity. The main issue with complex unity is that it forces the believer into a multi-branched relationship with God. It prevents you from _experiencing_ God as a unity. This is sort of like going to the post office (something I don't wish on anybody) and having to address your needs to three different departments. It's one post office, but three departments, so as an "end user" you don't get the full benefits of the One God. Your experience wouldn't feel that different from somebody who worshiped three gods joined together in perfect unison with each other.
But if the "echad" for "one" at Deut. 6:4 is really to be interpreted as a complex unity like in the other examples Trintarians love to cite. Then we should expect to see the echad used there with various plural or composite modifiers in the context like in those other examples they cite. For instance, if Moses wrote the Shema as "Hear O Israel, the LORD (YHWH) our God, **they** are one LORD (YHWH). Or " ... the LORD our God, the LORD is **three** in one", or some similar. Then that would undeniably indicate echad had complex unity as with the other examples. But I'm not aware of any instances in scripture where echad occurs without the use of any plural/composite modifiers in the context like the Shema is, where it means any other than only one solitary individual.
@@H.T.2forever I agree with everything you said. I wrote about this in more depth at the blog linked in my profile. The title of that post is, "God Is One - The Word "Echad" in the Torah."
I don't think you understand analogies. You can say "an evening and a morning equal 'one' day; and, you can say, Adam and Eve came together as 'one' (couple); you can even say an apple and a pear and an orange came together to form 'one' smoothie. Go ahead, they are NOT analogous to the trinity. Wanna know why? Because the trinity says 1 god+1 god+1 god=1 god; so, in order for your comparisons to be analogous, you would have to say: 1 day+1 day=1 day; 1 couple+1couple=1 couple; 1 smoothie+1smoothie+1 smoothie=1 smoothie. See? Don't do it again!
It's simple for me, in my life of believing in God has a Christian besides when I watch things like this or things on the topic, I can't remember in my life of ever thinking of three Gods,,,,,,,, a Jewish person may not understand this but I never believe or prayed like that. It was like a auto matic of allways ONE God . Never have I divided into three , Jews must just think that way about Christians but it ant like that inside if anyone gets me, father,son,holy spirit , allways is one in my mind, people just don't understand.
If you took out the words "three distinct divine persons" I think that Jews and Muslims might be more open to dialogue. If you were to say "three manifestations" or that "the Father is the only true God and the Word and Spirit are manifestations of that only true God the Father," I could see that a Trinity could stand. However, the historical evidence proves that those who developed the Trinity dogma were first Arians and then later Trinitarians who believed in the Athanasian creed in the fourth century. Athanasius also taught that Jesus is the mother of God. Do we want do be children of the Roman Catholic church or do we want to be children of Abraham, Moses, and the apostles and prophets? For the true theology of the apostles and prophets visit apostolicchristianfaith.com
Steven Ritchie this is why I watched alot about the Hebrew roots of the bible and of Jesus/Yeshua, not what Rome as to say, also how important the feasts of the Lord are and how Jesus fullfilled the spring feasts at the very day and time, and will fulfill the fall feasts starting with feasts of trumpets of the messiah return, these are God's apointment times throw out history(like dress rehearsals to be ready and not the late bridegroom that gets left out).
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Steven Ritchie first, Arian didn't develop the doctrine of the Trinity. He taught that Jesus is not God or equal with God similar to Jehovah's witness doctrine. 2nd, the idea that Jesus and the Spirit are manifestations was rejected by the early church because those who take this view believe those manifestations are temporal. This was the teaching that God takes on differing "modes" at different times. So God reveals himself as Father in the OT, Son in the NT and Holy Spirit at Pentecost but never all 3 modes at the same time. This is what is called modalism and was rejected as unbiblical by the early church. It is held by modern day onesness Pentecostals. Using manifestation as a way to describe God fails the biblical test because the bible teaches the Son is eternal as well as the holy spirit.
Thank You for this... I believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. There has been some not so friendly debates concerning this subject on social media. I have come to find all it does is cause division and confusion where there shouldn't be.
here some ammo if you want more just ask.... Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father} Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God} And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} But unto the Son he {God} saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us} Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus} And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD} Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV I Timothy 4:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty. {John states the Jesus claims to be God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. This explains how he created all Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all} And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, In His Service,
VictorCrowne Um...read a few verses later. Exodus 3:4 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. So yes, God was manifest in the bush. By that i mean he spoke through it.
God spoke to Moses as the personage of the Angel of YHWH. Whenever God reveals himself on earth it is as the Angel of YHWH or it is through the Holy Spirit. The Angel of YHWH is not an angel but Jesus the Word of YHWH.
in the beginning God said let's make man in our image, according to our likeness. That is why they made man and woman, to create a family bc God is one family.
He is also the Son of Man, and the first begotten among the dead, and the first and the last, and the first born over all creation: these are TITLES. Jesus is God and it is biblically clear. If you believe Jesus is God, then as a Unitarian you must think that Jesus was the Father- if so, then you cannot reconcile the Holy Spirit because He is called God.
Joseph Garrett They are not merely titles but are WHO Jesus IS. Jesus is truly God's SON. Unitarians do not believe that Jesus is God. How is Jesus "God" when 1- GOD is Jesus' Father, and 2- Jesus is WITH God, in heaven?
Yahweh never talks about himself as a unity of 3. Or let me say I haven't seen it in the Scriptures. Can someone please point me to where he does. Did Christ teach the trinity to his disciples. Surely he must have because most trinitarians will tell you that if you don't believe in the trinity you can't be saved. Point to the scripture where it says that you are saved by believing in trinity. Surely Christ taught, right?
You need to understand the hebrew letters well. Y is the father, the first H is his Image, or lets say the Body, infact the son, the memra of yah, in which he manifest himself. V is the holy spirith and it have YH into it, and we could stop here, thats trinity and all in oneis god. Now the second H represents the first H on earth, infact the Human, and infact the Human in his completion haveing V into him, this is when Human becomes more like God. But this things you wont get by just reading YHVH, you need infact a deeper knowledge of the letters and a bit of logics. If we used math for example, so Y is +i while first H is -i on the immaginary axis and V is -1 on the real axis and the second H is +1 and so the whole is GOD is YHVH.
yno nyo where did you learn this concept. In my 25 years of study of the Scriptures and dialogue with inter believers I have never heard of what you just said
Acts 14:8-18, "In Lystra there sat a man who was lame. He had been that way from birth and had never walked. 9 He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10 and called out, “Stand up on your feet!” At that, the man jumped up and began to walk. 11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!” 12 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. 16 In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17 Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.” 18 Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them" As these disciples found out, it was quite common for the gentiles of the day to believe that their deity would come to them in the form of human beings. Upon witnessing a human being like Paul do a miracle, they immediately wanted o worship Paul/Barnabas as incarnations of the divine among them in human form. Sadly, centuries later the gentile church fathers raised in such pagan religions and cultures, started to promote these same ideas concerning the Nazarene, ie., that he was incarnation of the divine in human form, etc.
They worshipping Zeus and Hermes, and Paul and his friends as the gods. Of course the Apostles got angry! Both of us are mere men! Don't worship us! Worship God through His Son!
correct... Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father} Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God} And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} But unto the Son he {God} saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us} Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus} And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD} Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV I Timothy 4:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty. {John states the Jesus claims to be God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. This explains how he created all Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all} And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, In His Service,
Where did Jesus find the understanding of a Truine God? Let's turn to the Dead Sea Scrolls, Isaiah 48: 16-17, which leads us back to Genesis 1, and Genesis 3.
I’m a little late but I have to disagree with Dr. Brown, completely because it is shown in the Bible that without the Son everything that has been made could not have been made. So basically saying that everything was made through the Son. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit act as One meaning they work in Unity. Without the Son, the Father cannot act. It is as simple as that. Oh and to say that Jesus would not be worshipped is completely wrong because when people would present themselves to Jesus and would kneel before him praising him, Jesus didn’t speak against it but in Revelations when John saw the beautiful angel he was about to commit an atrocity and was about to kneel down but the angel told him no, stand up we both serve the same Master.
The doctrine of the trinity is satans biggest lies and most humans will believe a lie before they believe the truth because they are not willing to give their hearts to GOD! My GOD is the ONE and ONLY OMNIPOTENT GOD, which is something the we humans cannot understand and should avoid trying to understand. We are to just have faith and believe that HE is and that HE rewards those who diligently seek HIM! IF
If Walker So Thomas was lying on behalf of Satan when he addressed Jesus as "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28)??? And Jesus never rebuked Thomas for lying on behalf of Satan??? Instead Jesus affirms Thomas for finally seeing that He is who He said He is: both "Lord" and "God"!
David Brainerd Saying "Oh my God!" is using God's name in vain. If Thomas addressed Jesus as "My Lord and my God", when in fact He wasn't, he would have been guilty of taking God's name in vain. Jews of the first century believed that any careless use of God's name amounted to blasphemy. If Thomas had taken the name of the Lord in vain, Jesus surely would have rebuked him. But not only did Jesus not rebuke Thomas, He commended Thomas for finally coming to believe He was who He said He was (both "Lord" and "God"). Jesus affirmed Thomas, not corrected him.
55k3v1n God is not God's name. God is a title. The Jews only considered it taking God's name in vain to use the actual name. That's why rather than pronouncing YHWH they said Adonai. Duh. Everyone knows this. The interpretation that saying "God" is taking God's "name" in vain is essentially an American Baptist interpretation. It didn't exist in the first century.
David Brainerd The Greek term "theos" is what Thomas addressed Jesus as. Jews know that "theos" is the Greek word for "G_D" or YHWH (Yahweh). And based on the context used in John 20:28, it is clear Thomas was addressing Thomas as both "Lord" and "God". Jesus clarifies why He didn't rebuke Thomas when He addressed Himself as "the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end" in Revelation 22:12-13. Seems you have bought into a very serious lie that was taught to you by the proven false prophet Watchtower organization. They actually blaspheme our great God and Savior Jesus Christ by denigrating Him to angel status.
ASKDrBrown Any so-called "Messianic Jew" who teaches the Trinity rather than agreeing with the real Messianic Jews (the Ebionites) that the Father alone is God and Jesus is only the Messiah and SON of God is a liar and not a Jew at all but a Baptist playing Jew by putting on tzitzits and a kappa.
David Brainerd GINOLJC, is not God a H430 'elohiym which is a plurality?. but, at the same time, is he not a singularity?. May I make a suggestion. God is a "diversity" of himself, or simply the SHARE of himself. I base this on Philippians 2:6 of the word "form", and its root G3313 meros. check it out. but this diversity, or the sharing of spirit is found in the very firs verse of Genesis 1:1 where the aleph and the tav shows God plurality peace
Emmitt Cooper God is one. One person. Jesus says to the Father "You are the only true God." John 17:3. Case closed. Any other statement is pure heresy.
I must disagree, the only true God, "AND" Jesus Christ." and" makes the difference. here's my point, may I ask you a question is the Lord Jesus GOD?. I say yes, before, during, and after his flesh. now the Question, "as the Lord Jesus is the First and the Last, (per Rev 1:17). God is the First and the Last, per Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, and 48:12. IS THIS ONE PERSON OR TWO?, thanking you in advance for your answer,
Emmitt Cooper The text does not say "the only true God and Jesus Christ." It says "You the only true God, and the one whom you have sent, Jesus Christ." Jesus Christ is not being put on par with the one true God but is being affirmed to be the one SENT by the one true God.
Dr. Brown said - 'Tri-unity'' = Complex unity, 1. The nature of GOD never changes, Why did this complexity does not mention in O.T ? 2. Why stop in Three? If Jesus had a son , What is his status? "The Grand Son of GOD" ??? Have you made a Family of GOD ? !!! 3. How you deny pagan hindu, when they say , Everything is in a unity , so everything is the One GOD?
There is only ONE God, the Father. There is only ONE Christ, the Son of God who is begotten (proceedeth) of His Father. There is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ which is the Comforter. There is NO "God the Holy Spirit". God the Father and His Son are "One in Agreement" through the Spirit which is Holy as it emanates from God. THERE IS NO TRINITY. The Trinity is an Egpytian pagan belief that originated in Babylon and nothing more than Greek Philosophy: the Trinity is a concept, a philosophy. God is not abstract.
Joel Kharkongor Although I agree, I also disagree. The Holy Spirit is not originally the Spirit of Christ. Before Christ ever existed the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of the Father alone. It is now also the Spirit of Christ only because God has given the Spirit to him beyond measure (John 3:34) and given him the gift of the Spirit to pour out on his people (Acts 2:33). What you said smacks too much of a sort of Arianism.
The ancient writings/teachings of Arius and what he really believed have been destroyed by the the proponents and supporters of the Athanasian Creed who vehemently opposed teachings of Arius. The Creed had the credance and Seal of Emperor Constantine during the Council of Nicea c325 AD and henceforth the Roman Catholic Church, till date. All official records we now read are almost negative statements about Arianism as archived by Catholic monks and other writers who mostly referenced from Popish libraries. Their objective is to give a negative connotation to Arianism and brand a heretic to anyone who resembles to it. I might and may not follow Arianism but apparently you and I understand the same thing! 1. There is only Almighty God, the Father. (Ex 20:2,3) 2. There is only One Son who proceedeth forth/begotten of God the Father (John 3:16) 3. The Holy Spirit which "emanated" from God the Father and poured out in full measure to His Son and from the Son to us (Titus 3:6, John 15:26, 16:14,15)
Joel Kharkongor What you just described is Eastern Orthodox Trinitarianism. So you're a Trinitarian. Congratulations, you're a polytheist heretic. There is one God, the Father. And one Son who was begotten in the sense of God making Mary conceive. He did not "proceed forth" in any sense like Arius and the Trinies claim.
Joel Kharkongor /* There is NO "God the Holy Spirit". */ That is a blatant lie. Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. /* The Trinity is an Egpytian pagan belief that originated in Babylon and nothing more than Greek Philosophy */ You just proved you don't know what you are talking about. You exude ignorance. If the Trinity come from Babylon, how can it come from Greek philosophy? You just refuted your own statement. The doctrine of the Trinity comes from the teachings of the LORD Jesus Christ in the New Testament and His Apostles. There is no concept of the Trinity in any pagan religions of the earth, whether its Egypt, Babylon or any other far flung region of the earth. All deceivers are forced to use Christian language to try and create their lies. The Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19) and anyone who denies the Father and the Son are Antichrist (1 John 2:22). Those who deny the doctrine of the Trinity as of the Devil. John 8:24 "I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins.”
Surfxeo You're trying to refute the statement "There is NO 'God the Holy Spirit'" by quoting "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." Spirit OF God vs God the Holy Spirit....are you really too stupid to see the difference? You're trying to make a separate 3rd God out of the Holy Spirit, whereas in Scripture the Holy Spirit is the Spirit **OF** the one and only God which is the Father.
If the three are human then yes. But He is God. This is what I understand. God loves human. But we are sinful. He cannot relate with us. Yes He could came but we will die seeing His glory. He is Holy. Jesus is the way God relate with human, by becoming one of us, so that He can make us holy so that we can relate to Him. Jesus is God's perfect image, who cannot do every thing from Himself. He have every thing God want to say, to us, and every thing to make us able to relate to God. Since we cannot see God, receiving and seeing and obeying Jesus is receiving, seeing and obeying God. We cannot do more than that, since He is the fullness of God, in human body. The Spirit is God's messenger who work among us, inside us, making us holy, making us remember Jesus's words and know God. Rejecting the Spirit is rejecting God Himself, it is an unforgivable sin in this word and the next one. We cease to be holy. But we cannot divide or reduce God. God is infinite. And His Messengers should have His essences. He cannot send angels, who don't know God as a human, since they are not God and not human, so He sent Christ who understand human weaknesses. And God cannot send another Spirit than Himself, since He is the Holy One. He is Holy means He alone is different, special. Another Spirit will teach a part of himself to human as much as he wants to. The result is human not become holy. Jesus and the Spirit are God Himself relating and working. It is the only possibility. Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit means that we want to relate to the Father through the Son, by letting the work of the Spirit guide us.
So God cannot just came and talk to people, " Hey, this is how you should worship Me. This is what I really like to be treated. Lets relate." We will die. He is Holy. So, He came in His Image. The human Jesus Christ. " I am God's messenger. No one has seen God but Me. My Father is like this. This is what He want. This is what He love. All that Father have is Mine and all that I have is His. Father and I are one. If you have seen Me you have seen Father. Because I am human, through Me you can relate with Father. I am the only Way."
The Trial of William Whiston for denying the Trinity. Part 1 The following satirical tract was first published in 1740. It is about William Whiston on trial for speaking against the Trinity. Whiston was allowed to defend himself, cross-examine Trinity supporters, and call in his own witnesses (which even comprised of some of the apostles!) This tract has been attributed to William Whiston or Alexander Pope, depending on the source. Pope is most certainly incorrect, for he was a Catholic. This work is not listed under Whiston's works in his biography. So the author remains unknown to me at this point. William Whiston was an 18th century scientist and Bible scholar. He created controversy for denying the Trinity. He was a colleague of Sir Isaac Newton. Unlike Newton, he went public with his non-Trinitiarian beliefs, which adversely affected his career. He is now most popularly known as the translator of the works of Josephus. This work is already freely available online. However, its original format makes for hard reading. This edition modernizes the text: 1) The original had few paragraph breaks, presenting the reader with a wall of text. This new version has more paragraph breaks. 2) Older spellings have been modernized. For example, the title was "The Tryal of William Whiston," which was changed to "The Trial of William Whiston." 3) When the phoneme "s" was used, the obsolete letter "ʃ" was used. This reads like an "f" for a modern reader, and drastically slows down reading time and comprehension. For example, Whiston's name was spelled "Whiʃton." The word "must" was spelled "muʃt," and so on. The "ʃ" has been replaced with the modern "s." 4) Every noun was capitalized. The new version reflects standard capitalization. 5) Finally, the original was too fond of the comma and semi-colon, many of them have been eliminated to smooth out the reading. Click on: (Go to Part 2) at bottom of page. Enjoy. brustingwulfe.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/trial-of-william-whiston-part-1.html
His own image is His image, Father, Son, and Spirit, is His image. Three Persons in One divine Essense. We were made for loving relationships, man and woman becoming one flesh, living in harmony with one another- loving always for the others sake, never our own- just as the Father, Son, and Spirit are One- eternally existing in harmony as One.
The Meaning of One 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is ONE Spirit. The Spirit is God's essence. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. That is the missing key to understanding "the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The reason the Father and the Son are One is because they are the Holy Spirit. This scripture makes it plain. The Spirit is also how we are one in them when we believe. Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but IN THE SPIRIT, if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. 10 ¶ And if CHRIST be IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but THE SPIRIT IS LIFE because of righteousness. 11 But if THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS from the dead DWELL IN YOU, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. Ro 12:5 So WE, BEING MANY, ARE ONE BODY IN CHRIST, and every one members one of another. 1Co 10:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD. 1Co 12:12 ¶ For as THE BODY IS ONE, AND HATH MANY MEMBERS, and all the members of that ONE BODY, being many, are ONE BODY: SO ALSO IS CHRIST. In the exact same way, Jesus said,... Joh 10:30 I AND my Father ARE ONE. Joh 17:11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE: (IN THE SAME WAY) Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE IN ME through their word; 21 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE ONE: (IN THE SAME WAY) 23 I IN THEM AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Joh 17:24 ¶ Father, I WILL THAT THEY ALSO, WHOM THOU HAS GIVEN ME, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for THOU LOVEDST ME BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I IN THEM. Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, AND SHALL BE IN YOU. 18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM. Jesus comes to us in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't leave them, it emanates from them. That is how God is omnipresent. His Spirit permeates every place in heaven and earth. In the book of Revelation, in the last two chapters, where it talks about the new heaven and the new earth, we find no mention of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is there, in the Father and the Son. What we do see is a river of life flowing out of the throne. Re 22:1 ¶ And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. Joh 7:37 ¶ In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. Trinity isn’t a good explanation of theFather, Son and Holy Spirit. Look at these references to the Holy Spirit. These are from the kjv. Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, the Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus Christ, Spirit of the Lord , Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the living God, Spirit of our God, Spirit of your Father, holy Spirit of God, Spirit which is of God, Spirit of His Son, his Holy Spirit, My Spirit, His Spirit, the Lord is that Spirit, Spirit of grace, holy Spirit of promise, Spirit of adoption, Spirit of life in Christ, Spirit of life from God, the Spirit itself. The way the Spirit is described in the scripture as being "of God" and "of His Son" and being "His Spirit", it doesn't sound like a third person. I don't think the Spirit is a third person. I think it is what God is. Just as you and I are human beings, the Father and Son are Holy Spirit. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit.
Thanks. This is also what the Lord showed me...where a husband and wife are 'one', and where Jesus prayed that the church would be 'one', just as he and the Father are one. That we being many are one body in Christ. It speaks of unity and perfect harmony. The harmonious 'tri-unity' was broken as Jesus went to the cross, as the Father forsook him, so that we could be grafted into union with God in Christ. It all starts to come together and make sense.
... I am *He* ; I am the first, I also am the last. ... and My right Hand hath spanned the heavens: ... ... and now the Lord *YHWH* , and His *Spirit* , hath sent *Me* . Isai 48^12-13;16
Deuteronomy, 6:13 { The Father said worship only him } Luke 4:8 { Jesus said worship only The Father } And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve. Hebrews 1:6 { The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus } And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Matthew 28:17 { Apostles worship Jesus } Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. Is the HOLY SPIRIT confused ? he is the author of all scripture Is Jesus confused he accepts worship ? II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, Psalm 45:6 { The HS uses this statement to describe the Father } Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he {God} saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever : a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Did the Holy Spirit just say that the Father called Jesus God ? John 20:28 { Did the HS just say Thomas called Jesus God ? } And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.{ o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Ps 73:25-26 Does the Father correct Jesus or Thomas ? No, he calls Jesus God Does the Holy Spirit correct anyone ? No, he authors all of it. I take it he agrees with it. Isaiah 48:1244:644:8 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also the last. Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first and I am the last: and beside me there is no God. Is there a god beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any The HS said the Father is the First and the Last. The HS said the Father is the only God. HE KNOWS OF NO OTHER GODS...PERIOD Revelation 21:6-7 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. The HS said the Father is the Alpha and the Omega. Revelation 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not ; I am the first and last : I am he that liveth, and was .........dead......, and, behold, I am alive for evermore, A-men ; and have the keys of hell and of death Did the Holy Spirit just say the First and the Last died and rose again ? Does Jesus think he is GOD ? Revelation 1:822:13,16 { The Father speaks Jesus speaks } I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Did the Holy Spirit just say Jesus is the Alpha and Omega ? the beginning and the end ? the First and the Last ? John 8:5810:30-36 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me ? The Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man makest thyself God. Did Jesus just say he is the great I AM ? he already said he is the First and the Last. I Timothy 4:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Galatians 1:1 { The HG said the Father raised Jesus from dead } Thessalonians 1:10 John 2:19-21 { HS said Jesus raised himself from dead } Matthew 26:61 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Romans 8:11 { the Holy Spirit said he raised Jesus from the dead } But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Then to top things off the Holy Ghost sezs this { God raised Son from the dead } Acts 17:312:3 Hebrews 13:20 Acts 3:26 1 Corinthians 15:16 Romans 10:9 Colossians 2:12 Is the Holy Spirit confused ? John 1:1,2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit calls the Word God ?} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, Did the the Holy Spirit just say the WORD is God ? Did the the Holy Spirit just say the WORD created all ? Did the the Holy Spirit just say the WORD became Human ? Hebrews 1:10 { The Father admits the Son created all } And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Colossians 1:16-17 { Jesus created all things } John 1:3I Whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. and for him: And he is before all things. and by him all things consist. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. NO! Isaiah 42:544:22 { God created all things } Psalm 104:5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heaven alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Who laid the foundations of the earth, Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. NO! Job 26:1333:4 { Holy Spirit creates } By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. ( When has God dwelled with man ? ) Zechariah 2:10-11 14:9,10,11 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I well dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord. II Corinthians 6:16 { God dwells in us } And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God. Romans 8:9,10 { Christ dwells in us } .....Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; I Corinthians 6:19 { Holy Ghost dwells in us } John 14:17 What ? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own ? Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Jesus the creator.....you the creation In HIS service,
Dr. Brown speaks of "one" (echad) as if it has some special meaning. If a you are learning to count in Hebrew the number one is "echad". In order for us to understand that more than one thing makes up one we need to be informed as to who or what is to be made one. Adam and Eve are to become one flesh. Because we are informed we know how one is applied here. Same with items of the Temple being one, and so on. At Deut 6:4 we have no such qualification. We are simply told that God is one. We are not told that God is a "compound unity" or anything similar.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. ... and the Word became flesh and dwelt (tabernacled) amongst us. For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost. And these three are One.
11:00 i may recall wrong but i think michael heiser tea hes against the use of a majestic use of "us." Dr brown makes his point well enough, but i'd love to see this engaged (i wish it could happen)
Psalm 45:7-8: 7 Your throne, O God, stands forever; your royal scepter is a scepter for justice. 8 You love justice and hate wrongdoing; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellow kings. God the Father begot the Son Psalms 110:1-3 1 A Psalm of David. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand, while I make your enemies your footstool.” 2 The scepter of your might: the LORD extends your strong scepter from Zion. Have dominion over your enemies! 3Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like dew I begot you. The Word and the Spirit have been sent by God the Father Isaiah 48:16 16 Come near to me and hear this! From the beginning I did not speak in secret; At the time it happens, I am there: “Now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his spirit.” The Spirt of the Lord Zechariah 6:8 8Then he cried out to me and said, “See, those who go forth to the land of the north provide rest for my spirit in the land of the north.” Zechariah 1:17 17 Proclaim further: Thus says the LORD of hosts: My cities will again overflow with prosperity; the LORD will again comfort Zion, and will again choose Jerusalem. Son says he has been sent by God the Father Zechariah 2:13-15 13Now I wave my hand over them, and they become plunder for their own servants. Thus you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me. 14 Sing and rejoice, daughter Zion! Now, I am coming to dwell in your midst-oracle of the LORD. 15Many nations will bind themselves to the LORD on that day. They will be my people, and I will dwell in your midst. Then you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. God the Father addresses God the Son to judge Psalms 82:8: Arise, O God, judge the earth, for yours are all the nations. God the Son says he overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah Amos 1:11: 11 I overthrew you as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah; you were like a brand plucked from the fire, Yet you did not return to me- oracle of the LORD. God the Father asks Elijah to stand on the Mountain when God the Son will pass by 1 Kings 19:11: 11 Then the LORD said: Go out and stand on the mountain before the LORD; the LORD will pass by. God the Son says he will save Judah by God the Father Hosea 1:6-7: 6 The LORD said to him: Give her the name “Not-Pitied,” for I will no longer feel pity for the house of Israel: rather, I will utterly abhor them. 7 Yet for the house of Judah I will feel pity; I will save them by the LORD, their God; but I will not save them by bow or sword, by warfare, by horses or horsemen.
ah but like all experts miss, Jesus said he is not coming back, he said he or in another verse, the Father will send the Comforter and will speak of Jesus, will abide with us forever and will teach us all things. in 60 years of watch the emerging of preachers not one mentions this or even the word Comforter. 7 verses, 3 OT and 4 NT. The OT states the oppressors have no comforter and the oppressed have no Comforter. I can explain it if you wish?
yeshua said, since I am going and preparing a place for you,I WILL RETURN TO TAKE YOU WITH ME SO THAT WHERE I AM YOU MAY BE ALSO. read your bible golightly. JC
@@junedullantes4415 Acts 5:3-7 says Holy Spirit is God and is a person (you can't lie to a rock) John 1:1-14 says "the word was with God and the word was God and the word became Flesh" And that flesh was called "Jesus" There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit Together, that is 3 persons who are ALL God, but there is only 1 God.
@@leef_me8112 ; But I've always been confused by the claims of Trinitarians here. Because when did Ananias and his wife Sapphira actually "lie" to the Holy Spirit at Acts 5? I mean the lie or the deceptive act they did was specifically laid before the apostles. So following the logic of Trinitarians here, the apostles must be the Holy Spirit and therefore the apostles are really God! And how can John say that Christ is the God he is supposedly "with" at the same time in Jn. 1:1b and 1:2 as Trinitarians traditionally render it in their Bible versions? As that is a nonsensical flat contradiction. ....
@@H.T.2forever >But I've always been confused by the claims of Trinitarians here. No, you haven't been 'confused', you simply want to dispute them. >I mean the lie or the deceptive act they did was specifically laid before the apostles. Not according to Peter: Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Peter says Ananias lied to the Holy Ghost... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. >And how can John say that Christ is the God he is supposedly "with" at the same time in Jn. 1:1b and 1:2 as Trinitarians traditionally render it in their Bible versions? As that is a nonsensical flat contradiction. Your finite mind says it is a "contradiction". There is no Trinitarian Bible versions. John wrote it, it is part of the bible; deal with it. To help you "deal with it", here is another few verses: Philippians 2:5-11 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. When i read this phrase: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, I think of a King taking off his royal robes.
@@leef_me8112 ; @leef_me8112 ; I'm well aware of what Peter said, but what did he really mean by it is the point? Since scripture makes no mention of Ananias and Sapphira holding a conversation and speaking a verbal lie to the HS. But of them performing a deceptive act toward the apostles. So it has to be some sort of figurative speech Peter is using. Least you believe the apostles are really the HS and therefore "God" too as I said .... > No, the passage is flat out contradictory nonsense the way Trinitarians render it in their versions. "God is somehow with God and both are the same one God???" That's a total absurdity. > No, even Trinitarian Bibles and scholars admit there are possible non-Trinitarian renderings and interpretations to most all the passages they customarily base their doctrine on. > I don't see how these passages help deal with anything other than to show that Christ pre-existed in the form of another spirit being in heaven like God the Father (Jn. 4:24). Before later giving up that form of existence for that of a human one when he came to earth. > Yes Christ made himself of no reputation by divesting himself of that divine spirit form he had in heaven alongside the Father to take a human one. So what of it? As that doesn't make him God or equal to him. Or mean that he ever was ....
It is hard because the confession that Jesus is Lord, which is the other coin-side to the Trinity, is only given by opportunity granted of the Holy Spirit. So even with an issue like clarifying orthodox Christian belief in the Trinity, the issue of where man's decision and God's decision meet on salvation is itself raised.
No problem there at all if God created mankind with the freewill ability to chose to follow his will or RUN CONTRARY to it. This freewill ability is instantiated from Genesis to Revelation in Hebrew, Greek and English I know personally.
I agree with you in almost all you have said accept the Trinity...... but I still believe Jesus is The Image of the invisible God........ which means God in manifested form amen
Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father} Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God} And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} But unto the Son he {God} saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us} Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus} And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: And they worshiped him. John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article. Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD} Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV I Timothy 4:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty. {John states the Jesus claims to be God} I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. This explains how he created all Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all} And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all} In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being. And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us, In His Service,
there is one God the Father of whom are all things, and Jesus said do you blaspheme me because I said I am the son of God? some would rather not believe Jesus own words in exchange for church tradition
Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe." Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:27-29
Moses is the one who spoke Deut 6:4 and you saying that Moses believed in a God that was one as a unity? You are confused please tell me if Moses saw a unity when He ask to see his glory,Moses saw One(Singular)divine being not a unity
I also like the Sun analogy:
The sun produces light that we can see, this is Jesus.
The sun produces heat which we cannot see but feel the effects, this is the Holy Spirit.
The source of the light and heat is the actual sun in outer space. This sun is outside the planetary realm in which we live. The Sun cannot be seen or felt, this is the Father.
’e-ḇen I really do like this, I just think that some people could think that the spirit and son are created or have a beginning. It’s a beautiful analogy I’ve heard and some might use it against you to show evidence the rays and heat are created. God bless you
I like the Universe one
No analogy in is good for me, God is outside of any creation.
That’s modalism.
@Truth of Jesus how exactly would the sun analogy be modalism? In the analogy the sun stays constant. It is only our ability to experience or observe the sun that differentiates the parts. I am unsure what you are referencing since my favorite part of the analogy is how well it describes attributes of one sun without modes.
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Bless His name.
Aman
@Raj Deol what is the name of the book with these perverse names:
(Yahshua HaMashiach)?
Ephesians 5:6
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Acts 4:10-12
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
My Lord AND My God is an Expression of a Jewish person seeing God's fullfilmennt. The Massiah dying and Rising again.. He gives thanks to God as he acknowledged his messiah.. Remember ,No jew thought that Jesus was God, They said prophet or something else.. We are the ones adding to the bible
@@choicegospelnetwork all Jews who worshipped God in spirit and in truth understood and saw the body of the Christ of God after his resurrection these scriptures:
Zechariah 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
(And Thomas would believe only by seeing and touching the print ):
John 20:19-29
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[20] And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
[21] Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
[22] And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
[23] Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
[24] But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
[25] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
[26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
[27] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Yea he is right, both Adam and Eve come together as 'ONE', [EHAD], same Hebrew word used in Deuteronomy 6:4 telling Israel God is 'ONE' [EHAD]
Echad sir not ehad
@@davidbradberry7637 Echad as in they were united. Even Jesus spoke of this and agreed! That the husband and wife come together and become of one spirit. Of course the husband and the wife are literally the same person, but they are united in marriage like glue between two seperate papers. We can also see in the scriptures that our spirit and the Holy Spirit are supposed to become one
Genesis 2:18 KJV
[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
when Adam was made He was Alone and in Gods image
But the difference is Adam and Eve had two different wills because they were two different people. God had one will, if he is one, which the Bible states he is.
Dr. Brown is absolutely correct on the Tanakh, Rabbinic thought & Jewish tradition in understanding the application of the word Echad. Mashiach is of Elohim .. He is Echad with HaShem/Adonai/Yahovah!
That’s total nonsense. The rabbinic though never taught that good is 3 anything . You are putting in your tinity presuppose position into rabbinic teaching which goes completely against what they really taught.
No one claims God is three but one , He is a One God who is triune just as you are a union of body , soul and spirit , does it make you three? No right? So stop spreading hatred.
As a child I believed that the Bible was the word of God and that Jesus was my savior .In 1988 I was drinking a fifth of alcohol a day . I knew that there was more to life than I realized but I didn't know what it was . I had a wonderful girlfriend , we raced motorcycles , we went to bluegrass festivals and did whatever we wanted to do . I realized that I had everything the world said was happiness but I felt something important was missing and I didn't know what it was. I tried scientology , all kinds of yoga, martial arts and various other disciplines but nothing satisfied me . One Sunday morning I came home drunk in a taxicab and waiting outside of my house was a man who was giving my roommate a ride to church. I had gone to alcoholics anonymous for six months and they helped me a lot but I had gone back to drinking .He invited me to sit in his car and talk. He asked me if I wanted a bible study. I said I would love to have a bible study . He came on Monday nights the only night of the week that I didn't drink. It was a 12 week bible study that went from Genesis to Revelation. He showed me in the book of Acts ( Acts 2:38 ) where it said repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost . I said I'd never seen that in the bible and I wanted to get baptized in Jesus' name and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I got baptized in Jesus' name and prayed for two months to get the Holy Ghost. The night that I got the Holy Ghost I was praying and I started to talk in tongues , I felt wonderful and GOD delivered me from the spirit of alcohol . I have never wanted to drink since then and I praise GOD for that.
. The man who gave me the twelve week bible study taught me a ' GODHEAD ' bible study twice but i didn't understand the oneness of God or the trinity . I was reading the bible one day and read Ephesians 4 : 5-6 that i had previously highlighted in my bible . God gave me the revelation of oneness . ' ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE BAPTISM , ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL , WHO IS ABOVE ALL , AND THROUGH ALL ,AND IN YOU ALL !
JOHN 3:16 IS JUST ONE VERSE : YOU NEED TO READ ALL OF CHAPTER THREE TO UNDERSTAND JESUS' PLAN OF SALVATION !
I was a believer from childhood but i wasn't saved .
THANK YOU FOR READING THIS !
You should read Ephesians 1:13, Galatians 3:2, and Acts 10. When one hears the Gospel about Jesus the Anointed (Xpistos transliterated Christ meaning anointed in English) and believes the Gospel, believing in Jesus, one is sealed by the Holy Spirit- born again/born of the heavenly Adam/regenerated, etc. The Greek and English is clear that the Holy Spirit is given upon belief in the Lord and these 3 passages are absolutely clear about it. Acts 2:38 has a preposition - eis in Greek and in various places in the New Testament epistles is translated "at", "because of", "against" "upon", etc. It will be translated the way it is in Acts 2:38 based on what one believes. A T Robertson explains this in his " Word Pictures in the New Testament" volume on Acts.
The 3 I gave you are crystal clear that at the moment of belief one receives God's Holy Spirit for new, heavenly birth or regeneration.
@@codyalexander3290 the Holy Spirit didn’t come til after the ascension That’s why they waited til Pentecost
No, the Disciples received the Holy Spirit When Jesus breathed on them in John 20:22. @@paulswilley3737
All believers apprehend His complex unity because we believe God is in Christ and He is the only way we can see God. And we see Him by what we believe when He said, "I and the Father are one."
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. IF
"Great is the mystery of godliness"?
The verse is mistranslated and tampered!
I am Greek ... ask any Greek what is the correct translation of the Greek word ευσεβειας!
Ευσεβεια comprises of two other words ευ that means good and σεβειας that means respect.
Godliness translates from the Greek word θεοσεβεια, not Ευσεβεια!
Also, the verse has tampered. Someone with no fear of God changed the Greek word ος to θς or the greek word θς to ος.
ος means οποιος and θς mean God.
THE MEANING CHANGED COMPLETELY.
We don't know who changed the verse but for sure this verse cannot be used to support the one or the other side!
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Thank you Dr. Brown, i remember seeing you on videos from the Pensacola revival when i was a teenager. now you are presenting good theology for us. i use this - and the example to teach my youths about the trinity and other stuff. thanx
This topic about the Holy Trinity has always been hard for me to grasp, especially since the Bible never explicitly refers to God as a Trinity while mentioning Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, Dr. Brown's explanation of describing how our sun is too bright to see it's core while also sending invisible spectrums of radiation is similar to how God the Father reveals himself to man via his Son Jesus Christ and uses the Holy Spirit to guide us had helped me grasp the concept best as I could for now. Thank you for this teaching.
It's ok not to understand everything ofc, i don't understand as well but i accept this Holy Doctrine. It's like eternity. We don't understand it nor do we comprehend it, yet we know it exists. Same thing with the fourth dimension of sight and perspective. We can't understand it nor see it, and yet we know it exists, but it's too complex for us to understand
Perfect example of the trinity is when Isaiah saw God on his throne.
Isaiah chapter 6 Spanish version:
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It took me years, decades to understand the Trinity. But it was revealed to me after seeking God. Here it goes: God is an all powerful, immutable, incomprehensible being. We have never seen or heard him at ANY time. He knows his glory is too powerful to reveal to us directly. However, he does desire for us to know him and to participate in his own creation. As such, he conceives of himself as the Son, the eternal Logos, which is how God sees himself in the form of the son of man. This is exactly what Daniel 7 was trying to reveal to us. The son of man comes on the clouds with glory and given dominion over all things not because he was the messiah, but because he is the direct reflection of God as man. And the Logos though he is fully God is still in awe of God because the glory is incomprehensible.
So in truth, it’s not really modalism nor is it 3 separate beings. It is one God who reflects himself in the person of the Son strictly so we can know him and his plan for us.
The ultimate goal of life is to achieve theosis. That is, God came to earth incarnated as the man Jesus so that we might find abundant life and commune with god directly - in fact, our purpose is to become Son of God like Christ.
Oddly enoug the title son of god is meant for us and the son of man title only applies to the Logos.
This is the truth that I sought after to for decades and was revealed to me in on single instance.
I'm a Bible believing, One God worshipping, Jesus Christ following person. The hardest theology to understand has always been the "Trinity", so I don't feel comfortable describing God with that word anymore. I refer to The Triunity of God, but "Complex Unity" is great too!
The best explanation I've heard to describe how God can reveal Himself in three different ways yet still be One is this:
God is not 1+1+1=3.
God is 1x1x1=1.
What a glorious mystery! 😄
Read psalm 24 Rachel,God bless you.
Thank you, @@garywilkinson4560. Amen 😊 God bless you too.
God is 1+1+1=1 according to the trinity. The trinity says the father is a god, the son is a god, the spirit is a god, yet there is only one god. 1 god + 1 god + 1 god = 1 god.
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"There are three that bear witness in heaven: The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit; and these three are One." (1 John 5:7)
That doesn't sound like three individual beings to me, but I can't fully understand it either.
There are the same descriptions of God in the Tanakh. He is also described as One there. (eg Isaiah 63:8-10)
God is transcendent to our plane of existence. He created it. Our way of understanding is inferior to His.
The point is, we can't describe Him or understand Him fully because our experience doesn't match His reality.
That is why I think of Him as 1×1×1=1 because that is true. 1+1+1=3 is another true statement because math is true, but that expression doesn't line up with Scripture.
@@rachelhayhurst-mason7846 That translation of 1 John 5:7 is a fabrication of the text. Even trinitarians admit that. If you believe the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, then you think that each one is a being because God is a being. If they are different from each other, then they are three different beings. Idk what 1x1x1=1 is supposed to mean. How do you multiply the Father by the Son? There's a difference between something that's incomprehensible and a straight up contradiction. The trinity, the way that it is usually described, is a straight up contradiction. It's trying to say that each person is identical to the same thing but different from each other, which is just a logical impossibility. Any two or more things that are identical to the same thing must be identical to each other.
Beautifully explained, Michael! Nice to hear it from a Jewish expert in the Hebrew language.
55k3v1n look up Talmedge French the name of Jesus
We know by the holy scriptures the children of Israel could not speak in the Jews' language and the Gentiles are known to speak it. By what authority is that any different to day?
Nehemiah 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab:
24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.
25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.
26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.
27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?
Leviticus 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
2 Kings 18:17 And the king of Assyria sent Tartan and Rabsaris and Rabshakeh from Lachish to king Hezekiah with a great host against Jerusalem. And they went up and came to Jerusalem. And when they were come up, they came and stood by the conduit of the upper pool, which is in the highway of the fuller's field.
18 And when they had called to the king, there came out to them Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph the recorder.
26 Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I pray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it: and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that are on the wall.
27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?
28 Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:
29 Thus saith the king, Let not Hezekiah deceive you: for he shall not be able to deliver you out of his hand:
(the question truly is: What is the true Hebrew tongue; and what book is likened to the book men call the King James Bible?).
@@1516Taylor The Hebrew Scriptures tell us that the unbelieving Jews would lead the Messiah as a lamb to the slaughter (Isaiah 53), just as the rebellious Jews killed the Jewish prophet Jeremiah.
Disclaimer: I have never attended a seminary and I have no college degrees. The following is strictly a layman’s perspective.
I confess to not understanding all of this video well enough to say whether I agree with all of it but I did find it helpful.
I consider the God of Moses to be triune but I avoid using the word “Trinity” because the word “Trinity” places an emphasis on the threeness of God without a corresponding emphasis on his oneness. I consider the oneness of God to be at least as important as his threeness.
I describe the God of Moses as triune. I derive my usage from the fact that the three strings of a given note in the treble register of a piano is a “triunison” absolutely one note - not three notes - while, at the same time, absolutely three strings - not one string. The word “triune” simultaneously emphasizes the oneness and the threeness of God (as I understand him) but the illustration of a treble note in a piano doesn’t “prove” anything about the nature of God - only that something can simultaneously be one and three.
Before my wife and I moved from Iowa to Utah in 1982, I’m reasonably sure that I had never heard any protesant theologian refer to Father, Son and Holy Spirit or any two of those divine persons as “they”. Conversely, during the twenty-five years we lived in Utah, I don’t think I ever heard any LdS (Mormons) speak of Father, Son and Holy Ghost as “he”.
Thank you for this teaching. You are a hero of the faith.
GINOLJC, to all who have an ear to hear. Dr. Brown, whom I commend, have done a good job of trying to explain the Godhead. but he fall short in giving the definitive, and true answer to the Godhead. he gives the suggestion of complex unity for us to better grasp an old error called the doctrine of the trinity. I challenge this concept that God is a unity, complex or not. I will give my key differences to this complex unity in steps. understand, what I am proposing it is not a unity of three person(s), but the "sharing" of one person in another form (flesh/Earthly human flesh), which we call "Diversity of oneness". this doctrine clearly support the fact that God is a plurality of himself. not a separation of person(s), with the idea of being one God which the trinity states, nor an "Echad" of many in which many make one God as Dr. Brown suggested. no, but the "sharing" of one person/Spirit in another "form". hence the numerical difference which is the plurality of God as Spirit. this numerical difference is what we call Diversification in flesh (spirit). to support this doctrine of diversified oneness, one must have the basic working knowledge of the definitions that support it which I will outline in steps that's coming up. in step one we will deal with the plurality of God, which will correct the Echad, and the complex unity theories, and eliminate any three "person(s) in the Godhead.
Step #1. definition,
A. G243 Allos, in the Greek it means "another". but there are two Greek words for our one English word another, and the other word is G2087 Heteros. here are both definitions. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort; heteros on the other hand expresses a qualitative difference and denotes another of a different sort. study these definitions carefully.
B. G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n. or in English "offspring", and it's meaning, 1. kin. and this kin can be abstract or concrete. (in the Lord Jesus case, Kinsman Redeemer. this is exactly why God manifested in flesh to redeem. and the KJV of the bible can translate this word "offspring" as 1. born, 2. country(-man), 3. diversity, 4. generation, 5. kind(-red), 6. nation, 7. offspring, 8. stock. what's intresting is our word "diversity" is there as to how this word G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) can be translated. well, well, well. but the root of this word is G1096 which we will outline in C.
C. G1096 γίνομαι ginomai (ǰiy'-no-mai) v.
1. to cause to be (“gen”-erate).
2. (reflexively) to become (come into being).
3. (of events) to happen.
these three definition will show us how God is an "another" of himself in flesh as "ONE PERSON"
knowing this, it reveals who God was speaking to in Genesis 1:26, when God said, "us", an "our". that "us" and "our", came in the new testament, an "another" of himself, just a teaser, John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make *our* abode with him". see that? "OUR" abode. this is the same "our" that was spoke about in Genesis chapter 1 verse 26. take care Setp #2 later to come. but understand the plurality of God first.
Peace in the "ONLY" true and "LIVING" God, Jesus/Yeshua the all mighty.
Love the teaching brother! Have always believed in the triune nature of God but how can I truly verify the real meaning of ECHAD (I've seen websites that say it does NOT mean "compound unity" as you claim). Don't want to allow theological bias to bring me to a false conclusion
Just look at the meaning when God says..
Adam and Eve, One Flesh.
Israel, One Nation, as One Heart.
The word for Single is YACHID.
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You're misinterpreting Dr. Brown. He didn't say ECHAD means "compound unity", he's saying it *absolutely can* mean complex unity. If you say something is "one thing", that doesn't mean it can't be made up of different parts. That's the point of the Tri-unity
Echad means numeric one and unified one. That is the official definitions. Yachid is solitary one
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Correct ....
But therein lay problem for Trinitarians that most of them always miss, including even knowledgeable scholars like Dr. Brown here ...
In scripture whenever "echad" is used with various plural or composite modifiers ("**evening and morning** as one day", "the **two** become one flesh", "the **many pieces** of the tabernacle", etc.) it does indicate a unified one.
However, when echad has no such plural/composite modifiers in context such as in language of the Shema at Deut. 6:4. Then it means just a solitary or individual one.
For instance, if Moses had written "Hear O Israel, the LORD (YHWH) our God, **they** are one LORD (YHWH)" or something similar.
Then Trinitarians would have a valid basis to interpret the echad at Deut. 6:4 as a unified one because of the plural modifier "they." But Moses didn't write anything like that.
So Trinitarians have no real basis to argue the echad in the Shema must be a unified one other than their dogmatic insistence that it is.
I often wonder how critical God's judgment will be when we die? If someone misunderstands the trinity or God head will they be judged harshly? If we misunderstood scripture will we be cast out? are we to harsh in our criticism of our brothers and sisters? I pray for wisdom in Christ and I pray for all my brothers and sisters that took the time to post, in my eyes it means they care.
AMEN bro!
BrentMB79 It is Just as well that we are not the final judge.
In saying that one. One who has knowledge of the word of God and even sets himself up as a teacher and does not teach what is clearly shown in the word puts themselves in a shaky position.
I disagree with Brown and I feel his reasoning is wily and deceitful.
BrentMB79 You talk like this because you love God. You say this because of your sincerity. You are being honest. I get it. God loves you and he cares. God cannot fail. Will He neglect those that seek for Him? No way. So God has provided a way. The way is Jesus. There's only one way to God. Jesus. And here is the problem:---What if they rejected the only way? You cannot plead ignorance and seek for lenient judgement after you rejected the provision of God. In Jesus Mercy is extended to us, a way provided and life given to us. Say Yes.
Short answer No, the holy scriptures doesn’t support our God will judge our misunderstanding of His mystery but sad when we who know Him through a life after Christ will come to know and understand those mysteries when we all come to him in the end. Our focus must be the fear of The Lord..read and study live Holy only relying on your God to give you the strength to come after Him daily...
God is just, He will not be harsh or lenient He will be just, because He is just. In Matt.24:5 we are warned abt people coming to us saying they are "Christ" and leading MANY astray... Many say God was IN Christ NOT that Christ was/is God MADE flesh. I was entangled in such a decption for many years myself, even after having been one of Dr. Brown's graduates. 1John 4:1-6 warns us about the spirit behind all that deny Christ is God-made-flesh. Muslims, Mormans,Oneness Pentecostals, some Messianic Jews,some Hebrew Roots,Sacred Namers, floaters in the Trinitarian world, all who deny that God is Jewish,all "Christians who deny they personally know any Jewish person...etc. All these are under the influence of an antichrist spirit and or doctrine. 2Jn7-8 has a strong and JUST earthly consequence for all these, never mind His JUST consequences for all that follow an imaginary pseudo Christ (a Jesus who was a perfect man in whom God only dwelt, whose very flesh was NOT God).I have learned that "anti" in the word antichrist, means pseudo... All who put their trust in a fake Jesus will they be ok? Is not God loving enough to make the truth clear to them? God did not waste His time writing us a letter He did not intend for us to clearly understand. He has kept His Word in the original autographs, is He not God enough to do that for us today too? In our language too?
God is the Word
If we are believers in Yeshua HaMoshiach and follow his precepts, believing that He and YHVH are one, when we pray should we pray to Yeshua or to God? If they are one in the same does that mean praying to YHVH means you are also praying to Yeshua?
I believe Jesus and his claim about who is the True only God, his father (John 17:3). The same goes as Paul declared, but for us there's only one God, the Father (1 Cor 8: 6). And then our Lord Jesus Christ again stated that jews claimed that his Father was their God. John 8:54, and then Again Jesus our Lord claimed that his Father was also our Father and that His God was our God. John 20:17.
+Omar Pérez - you said it-" I BELIEVE" we hear you say" EXCUSES"
+Omar Pérez
Amen and praise The One True God; The Father of our Messiah!
OurHumbleLife- do you think the trinity delusion aka kel knows more than DR Brown.
Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father}
Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God}
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou
shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God}
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God}
But unto the Son he {God} saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a
son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD}
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus}
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52
And when they saw him, they worshiped him:
And they worshiped him.
John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou }
the definite article.
Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed.
Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD}
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all,
forever praised! Amen…NIV
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was
and which is to come, the Almighty.
{John states the Jesus claims to be God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent
mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name
Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto
them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?
What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM}
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
This explains how he created all
Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all}
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens
are the works of thine hands.
Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him.
And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
In His Service,
Candersson Swedican you say half-truths.
In Hebrews 1:6 and similar verses Jesus must not be worshiped but be given honor like to a king.
the Greek says: προσκυνησατωσαν not λατρευσαν.
You say Jesus created everything ... read more carefully next time:
"Jesus is the firstborn over all my creation" (Colossians 1:15).
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation"(Revelation 3:14).
"God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son"(John 3:16).
"The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old".(Proverbs 8:22-31)
(THE LORD GAVE BIRTH TO ME BEFORE ANY OTHER THING).
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YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER ME: WILL JESUS BE SUBJECTED TO YHWH IN THE END ? ? ?
1 Corinthians 15:
24 Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
There is a Father who is God, there is a Son who is God, and there is a Spirit who is God. The being that we call God, the being that created the universe consists of these three persons.
One might say that this sounds like a pantheon composed of three gods, with a whole pantheon redefined as "God," and each god redefined as a "person of God".
According to Jesus, his Father is The ONLY true God. John 17:3
According to scripture, GOD is The Father; GOD, in His completeness, is The Father.
well, yes, and in John 1:1, The Word was God. We accept is all, and we don't isolate biblical texts. Actually, John 17:3 has a context that is not twisted if it is being isolated as what unitarians always do.
Chris Oliver Dela Cruz
Please read John 1:1 in it's original Greek text.
THE WORD _faced_ *"THE GOD"* and *god* was THE WORD.
@@OurHumbleLife Yes, according to Jesus Father is the Only God and then he says I AND FATHER ARE ONE. Meaning Jesus Himself is also TGE ONLY GOD.
Agreed There is ONE God who manifests himself in 3 ways. Jesus is his name. Glory to the King of Kings.
That’s heresy.
@@sergioramirez8347 how so?
As a oneness believer in watching this and just seeing how Dr.Brown’s theology starts becoming more oneness as we go along
He uses the Sun analogy which early trinitarians (who weren’t even real trinitarians more semi-Arian read tertulian against praxis chapter 7) said the early believers who said the Son of God is the Father in the flesh were using this analogy
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
(Since Jesus is the ray of the Sun from the analogy)
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Now I’d agree full heartily when you say that there is One God and that God is One not Three of you see three beings it’s tritheism (belief in 3 Gods)
I wouldn’t be comfortable saying that God is a “unity” of Three persons but that the Son of God is God manifested in the Flesh living as a true human being who never had to leave his divine omnipresence behind
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hebrews 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Very interesting to see our theology’s start to line up though
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
None of these scriptures show that Jesus and the Father are one and the same.
@@steladimi4785 John 14:9-10 should sum it up perfectly. If Jesus isn’t the Father incarnate then he didn’t answer Philip’s question correctly .
John 14:10
[10] Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
Colossians 2:9
[9] For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
“The Father that who dwells in me”
“For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily”
No wonder Isaiah said
Isaiah 9:6
[6] For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
There isn’t one verse that says an alleged “God the Son” dwells in Jesus. Nor does it say that God is 3 persons
The truth is the trinity came from extra biblical revelation. Nobody in the first century said that there is “One God in Three Persons” that’s tritheism. The trinity we know today didn’t even exist till the 5th century they were all seminarians not true trinitarians.
@@samshields1116 saying Jesys is the Father is heresy. It defeats the whole idea of God sending his Son into the world. The Father sent himself in the fork of the Son doesn't make any sense. The Father told His Son all things what He should say and what He should speak. The Father did NOT tell Himself what He should say or what He should speak. Oneness makes zero sense. That isaiah 9:6 verse was Christ being the resprentation of the Everlastibg Father. You deny the Son of God in saying that the Son is the Father. But UNTO the Son He says your throne oh God us forever and ever thats in hebrews 1. Does God have a Son or is the Father his own Son? Also you're wrong the early church fathers beloeved that Jesus and the Father we're distinct yet still one God. Look at the writings of polycarp and Ignatius both students of the apostle John, interesting that they both taught that Jesus was God yet distinct from the Father. Oneness modalism is heresy because you deny the Son of God and say instead the Father is the Son.
@@sonoftheking1977 first of all Jesus said his Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:3)
We believe in distinction between Father and Son but not as “God persons” that’s tritheism but as when God incorporated Humanity into his divinity (Hebrews 2:14-17) now in Hebrews 1 where it says your throne oh God is forever and ever it uses italics when it says “he says” meaning it was added into the verse. Really it’s just the writer showing that Jesus is God because if you have God “your throne oh God is forever and ever” we have the Father worshiping the son.I thought that Christ was subordinated to the Father??
I would like to tell you to actually look at the Ministry of Jesus and see who he was trying to get the world to(2nd Corinthians 5:19)
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Is there any verse that says that an alleged “Coequal and coeternal” “God the Son” was in Christ or does it say the Father??
And you now know why Isaiah always prophesied that Jesus would be the arm of the LORD revealed (Isaiah52:10,53:1,59:16)
@@samshields1116 no, what you're saying makes zero sense the Father is not subordinate to the Son by saying your throne oh God is forever He is simply acknowledging His deity. What you're saying literally defeats the entire idea of God the Father sensing His Christ/Son into the world to reign on the throne of David. It completely goes against John 3:16 God sent HIS only begotten Son into the world to reign as king of Israel the davidic king. The one that God had his prophets prophesy about. Isaiah 42:1 "behold my servant whom I uphold my elect one in who my soul delights..." so the Father is speaking about himself as but when He is in the form of the Son??? You'll pervert this tho to support the heresy. Who took the scroll from the hand of the Father in revelation 5? Was it the Father in Son form taking it from the Father in Father form in revelation 5??? How can you not see the nonsense in this heresy? The eternal Son of God was taking the scroll from the hand of His Father who He has reigned with since forever. Phillippians 2:6 says that Jesus is co equal with God. 1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti christ that denies the Father and the Son." Soooo how are you acknowledging the Son when you say He's just the Father who took on humanity? Are you kidding me? Jesus is the Son of God manifest in the flesh. The one that isaiah saw in chapter 6 cross that with John chapter 12. When he saw whos glory now? Its ok I use to be oneness too God will show you the truth bro 🙏
GOD's Triunity is expressly addressed in the Old Covenant (The LORD, The Angel of The LORD & The Spirit of The LORD) & New Covenant (Father, Son & Holy Spirit).
Also Word of the Lord, Jesus.
No such teaching
5:25 - Yes. 7:50ff. No. You aren't saying anything significance here but you don't seem to realize it. We use the English word "one" in the same way. A group of multiple things is ONE group. There isn't anything inherent about the English word "one" OR the Hebrew word echad which suggests either word is used to refer to a group of multiple things or a "compound unity." ONE, or echad, is simply a number you can use to refer to A group of multiple things BECAUSE a group of multiple things is ONE group JUST AS one person is one person or one bird is one bird. Where Deut 6:4 completely defeats the Trinity is when you realize that Jesus, a Jew under Law, was required to obey the Shema command and his God wasn't a Triune being. He showed us how Dt 6:4 was to be obeyed; his only God was only his Father. The true Christian God is Jesus Christ's God and his God is not a Triune being.
Amen! The truine God is The One true God. Jesus bless you!
Jesus is the name of our God. The Father has given his name to His Son as His seal and authority so people will believe in the Son using His name. Explore John 17:11 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
jolan alcala
YHWH is the name of Jesus' GOD and we should be serving the same GOD whom Jesus serves.
Blessings
OurHumbleLife May the One Lord who is God bless you in His personal name Jesus the Christ who is the One Lord. Jesus is YHWH the name of YHWH is Jesus don't be confusedsalvation is very important. R u a trinitarian? He is the God you're looking for. Jesus is the everlasting Father "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6). Peace be with you in the name of Jesus the name above all names. You cannot call yourself a true Christian if you do not confess that Jesus is Lord and He is the One True God.
jolan alcala
Jesus is "Lord" because GOD, his father, *made* him "Lord".
Acts 2:36 "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that *God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”*
GOD, Himself, has told us that His name is YHWH *forever* and The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ is GOD's *SON*, so I am not sure why you are saying that YHWH's name is Jesus.
No, I am definitely not looking for the trinitarian god.
I serve the same GOD whom Jesus Christ serves.
*Nowhere* does The Bible tell us we must confess that Jesus is the one true GOD, so what gives you the right to tell me that I am not a true Christian unless I confess this?
The Bible DOES tell us to confess that Jesus is GOD's *son*.
1 John 4:15
OurHumbleLife God has manifested in the flesh. How do you understand that? May the wisdom of the Lord God Almighty Jesus Christ be with you.
When people draw these circles and triangles trying to explain God, I think they are skirting idolatry. But if I were trying to illustrate God, it would be one circle with the name YHVH in the middle. The circle is the Holy Spirit of course and YHVH is the Father and the Son because YHVH is their surname. But it couldn't be a circle of course, because God is omni everything. He has no bounds.
"When you say something isn't in the Bible, "but it's there", that's called eisegesis. The reason "trinity" isn't in the Bible is because it isn't in the Bible. This is from the entity who gave you the false trinity doctrine. They admit that it is unbiblical, yet they still teach it.
Catholic Encyclopedia
Trinity: The Dogma of the Trinity:
"The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion-the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are THREE PERSONS, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these THREE PERSONS being truly distinct one from another. The Persons are CO-ETERNAL and CO-EQUAL: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Divine Persons are denoted together. The word TPIAS (of which the Latin TRINITAS is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the TRINITY of God [the Father], His WORD and His WISDOM” (“AD. AUTO1”., II, 15, P.G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course have been in use before his time. Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of TRINITAS in Tertullian (“De pud”, c. xxi, P.G., II 1026). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of origin. The writers of this school contend that The doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but it was first formulated in the second century and recieved final aprobation in the fourth century, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies. "
The New Catholic Encyclopedia - 1967, VOL. XIV, PAGE 299:
"The formulation “one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the fourth century. But it is precisely this formulation that first claimed to title “The Trinitarian Dogma.” Among the apostlic fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."
Is your spirit you, or is it another person? It is not you. But God's Spirit is Him, because God is a Spirit, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. We on the otherhand are dust. The Bible doesn't say we are spirits living in a flesh body. It says we are dust, and spirit is the breath of life from God that makes the dust alive.
Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: FOR DUST THOU ART, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Spirit is the supernatural ingredient from God that makes inanimate matter, animate. Without spirit, there would be no life on Earth, just a dead rock.
Ye must be born again.
Jesus was explaining the resurrection. We had to be born to come into this physical world. We will have to be "born again" in the resurrection to come into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (physical birth, born) and of the Spirit (resurrected, born again), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh IS flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit.
We are still flesh (dust), we are not yet spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
We are not yet like the wind.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
Wonderful, wonderful. Thank-you SO much Dr. Brown.
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It took me years, decades to understand the Trinity. But it was revealed to me after seeking God. Here it goes: God is an all powerful, immutable, incomprehensible being. We have never seen or heard him at ANY time. He knows his glory is too powerful to reveal to us directly. However, he does desire for us to know him and to participate in his own creation. As such, he conceives of himself as the Son, the eternal Logos, which is how God sees himself in the form of the son of man. This is exactly what Daniel 7 was trying to reveal to us. The son of man comes on the clouds with glory and given dominion over all things not because he was the messiah, but because he is the direct reflection of God as man. And the Logos though he is fully God is still in awe of God because the glory is incomprehensible.
So in truth, it’s not really modalism nor is it 3 separate beings. It is one God who reflects himself in the person of the Son strictly so we can know him and his plan for us.
The ultimate goal of life is to achieve theosis. That is, God came to earth incarnated as the man Jesus so that we might find abundant life and commune with god directly - in fact, our purpose is to become Son of God like Christ.
Oddly enoug the title son of god is meant for us and the son of man title only applies to the Logos.
This is the truth that I sought after to for decades and was revealed to me in on single instance.
God being infinite and having no form, saw in Himself the image of Jesus; God in finite form. It is kinda like the movie "Avatar", where Jesus is the avatar of God, basically. God in two places at the same time, every time. God is His own witness. He knows all aspects of the situation we're in:
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; *but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death*." - Deuteronomy ch17 v6.
Hallelujah!
amen! Dr Brown the shema Yísrael is there a reason it mentions Lord, God, Lord? like the angles in heaven singing holy 3 times?? i always used the text where Jesus said i proceedeth forth and came from God. adam and eve echad, isaac the yachid son of Abraham
Why do you keep saying they (Jews) focus on His unity, when they actually focus on His oneness? Unity, in modern English, focuses on uniting multiples and does not properly apply to God who is not a united multiple but is a single being. He is 1 being and not one as in multiple united. This is completely foreign to both the Old and New Testament actually. Nowhere does the Bible use the word for unity in relation to the one God. It's not like the writers (or the God who inspired them) didn't know the word henotēs in the New Testament (it's used twice).
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mr brown is 100pc correct as revealed in scripture.
The fact that Jesus prayed demonstrates that he's not God, God doesn't need to pray to no one!
Great explanation from the Jewish perspective about the Triune God, Gbu Dr Brown.
Greeting from Indonesia
Man is spirit he possess a soul and he lives in a body that is three . No one knows the Son but the Father, no one knows the Father but the Son and to whom the Son wants to reveal it.
Jesus said before Abraham was I Am. In other words Jesus was there before he was born as a human. Plse explain and study this before time of man God the Father , God the Son , And God the Holy Spirit must have been in spirit not flesh and sat on the throne. Now when Jesus was conceived with all respect, why did The Holy spirit came down to bring forth Jesus . Why did the Son
in Spirit not bring forth the Son to the flesh. Who stayed behind on the throne(s) ? Please can someone explain to me.
God is Light and Jesus is the Light of the World. A bright white light is actually a combination of at least Red and Green and Blue light. The same with Trinity.
"If God is not a Trinity, God is not love. For love requires three things: a lover, a beloved, and a relationship between them."
Peter Kreeft
There is no logic in the above statement.
@@stephenhoskins6107 Why not?
ahaha what is this babbling? no logic at all,you have to assumes a LOT of things before you said this
@@ManlyServant So what does Love mean?
If you are the only single human in earth. How will you define love and even claim yourself, you are a loving being?
10:18 - Elohim
12:04 - God comes where we can see Him and Touch Him
Trying to force three into one sounds man-made to me.
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Jesus is excluded from the God equation.
@@BC-vo3ih the ancient Jews had known about the personhood of God
This verse came from a Jew too
Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form
And lets see what the Jewish Sage have to say about the divinity of the Messiah.
In the OT no one except for God himself is called YHWH, (LORD) but here the Messiah receives the name “the LORD our righteousness”. As opposed to names like Daniel (the LORD is my judge) or Elinadav (My LORD is gracious) here, the explicit name of God is mentioned. Y-H-W-H.
To make sure you can’t accuse us of using a missionary-christian interpretation let’s see how the Sages interpreted this passage.
In the Midrash Proverbs section 19 it says:
“Rav Huna says: the 7 names of the Messiah are Ynon, the Lord our righteousness, Branch, Consoler, David, Shilo and Elijah.”
And in Midrash Lamentations 1 the passage is interpreted:
“What is the name of the Messiah King? Rabbi Abba Bar Kahana says: ‘The Lord’ is his name, and this is what they will call him: ‘The Lord our Righteousness’.”
According to Rabbi Johanan bar Nappaha the Messiah will be called by the name of God.
“Rabbi Johanan said: ‘Those three will be called by God’s name: The righteous ones, the Messiah and Jerusalem… the Messiah, as it is written (Jeremiah 23) and this is the name that they will call him: The Lord our Righteousness.
Hi Bill! Just some of my thoughts regarding the verses that you reference:
John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ , whom you have sent" I think the word "and" is very important to understanding this verse correctly. Jesus is saying that eternal life is to know the Father AND the Son (himself). This is consistent with John's other writings (I John 5:20 and I John 5:10-12). Furthermore, it is consistent with the gospel of John itself which literally begins with a statement of Christ's (the Word) oneness of nature with the Father. Jesus' words in 17:3 only confirm and reaffirm the theology with which John opens the book with: the unity of deity shared by Father and Son as well as the distinctness of their persons ("with God" and "was God"). In other words, I don't think the context of John's writings as a whole, nor the Gospel of John itself, allow for Jesus's words in this verse to be interpreted as a separation and distinction of the Father's and Son's nature or essence.
I Corinthians 8:6 echoes the Hebrew Shema found in the Septuagint at Deut. 6:4 (follows the same grammatical construction...a construction that the Corinthians would have been very aware of and that Paul was certainly aware of). A sacred prayer of the Jews, this would NEVER be used of anything or anyone but God himself. The mere notion that Jesus could be included/incorporated into even a hint of the Shema would be reprehensible to any Jew (which Paul was) if in fact Jesus was not deity.
I pray that God will lead both you and I into his truth. May he forgive me if I have misrepresented him here.
Hi Michael. I am an elderly French lady from Australia. I came out of JWs 30 years ago and out of SDAs few years ago. Since then, I am struggling with the Trinity. I have few questions to ask you. I hope you will take the time to answer me as it is very important for me. I am searching for the truth and don't want to be deceived. I watched your debates with James White on the Trinity. I would like to know why Jesus called His Father His God in few verses. Jesus has a God like us. Also, are we supposed to worship on the Sabbath as there is no verse commanding us to worship on Sunday? Are we supposed to celebrate the Jewish feasts? Thanks for taking the time to read my text and answer it. God bless you and your ministry
Hebrews 1:8 This is the FATHER speaking which i am sure all on here would agree is GOD
" But unto the Son HE said: " Thy throne O GOD is fro EVER and EVER.."
+Eric Pennick Jesus spoke of Pss. in John 10:34. The word god can be used generically. When Jesus defended himself from the Jews: [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Jesus called them gods or at least referenced Pss. 82:6 in his defense.
Pss.82[6] I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
+questioneverything2 Psalms 82:6 does not disprove the Trinity but proves it.
Nobody is disputing the Trinity, I'm certainly not. The father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Immanuel is the Son, but Jesus never said he was god any more than the Pharisees we're god.
+questioneverything2 So did the SON always exist from ETERNITY past?
How can both John and Paul says that all things were CREATED by CHRIST if CHRIST is NOT GOD?
+Eric Pennick the Son of God is Immanuel, Immanuel is a Spirit as God is a Spirit. Spirit begot Spirit. flesh begot flesh. yes, Emmanuelle was with God from the foundation of the earth, however, Immanuel is not the Godhead, Immanuel was begotten, the only begotten of the father, just the same as a son is begotten from his father and mother. the body is a temple, Immanuel resided inside the flesh or temple. Immanuel temple went by the name of Jesus. that is why Jesus never claimed to be God. However, the indwelling Spirit of Jesus, Immanuel, was before Abraham was. God's Spoken Word was made flesh, so that Immanuel / God came "IN" the flesh. not as sinful flesh but in sinful flesh.
when Jesus was baptized by John, that is win the Spirit descended on Jesus like a dove that's also when Jesus became filled with the spirit. it was Immanuel that descended on Jesus, God spoke and said of the descending spirit, this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. Then Jesus / Immanuel could perform the miracles listed in the Bible.
*There is only one true God! The Father* of glory, the God and Father of Jesus Christ.
1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear witness in heaven; the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept, I hope everyone comes to the truth of the Trinity.
Henry Santiago
This isn’t true. There’s quotes from the early church going back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries using 1 John 5:7.
www.chick.com/information/article?id=Is-I-John-5:7-Missing-From-Older-Manuscripts
Stick to the KJV 1611! It’s God’s perfect word!
Henry Santiago Which bishop priest was this, I’d like to read about it.🙏🙏🤩🙋🏼♀️
Michael James Wow,man!Great article👍❗️🙏
The Johannic comma, do you know about it ? That passage was add, and not found in earlier scriptures
@@cyrillesimplice1897 right that verse is inauthentic
Thank you Dr Brown
The doctrine of the trinity is one of many catholic church false teaching and satans biggest lie! 2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” IF
If Walker The doctrine of trinity is inside the torah and has nothing todo with catolic or not catolic. First understand the word YHVH and then we will talk again!!!!
yno nyo HAHAHAHA! Sure.
What part is unbiblical? One God, Jesus is God, Jesus is God, Holy Spirit is God.
One simple example in English "a flock of sheep not sheep's the singular.flock denotes more than one sheep
If you have a problem with God being three persons yet One, look what Yeshua, Jesus prayed for all those that truly believe His word.
John 17: 20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be IN US, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Us being one with God.......That will get rid of aimless worthlessness.
At a cost though.
Matthew 16: 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.
Revelation 3: 2 Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God. 3 So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.
Take up your cross daily and with joy unspeakable, full of glory, serve your Master
Blessings
Thank you Dr. Brown
The Holy Trinity is all over the Tanakh. Here is one example:
Isaiah 48:16 - “Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the beginning I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
The word translated God here is YHWA and this is Jesus speaking saying God the Father sent Him and the Holy Spirit.
if that is true, the book of Revelation do not agree with your assessment. and here's why. in rev. 1:1 one sends "his" angel to John ... right. well the angel who was sent tells us who sent him in rev 22:6 he, the angel said it was the Lord God of the Holy Prophets, the same Lord God Isaiah 48:16. well the problem comes in at rev 22:16, for it is the Lord Jesus who sent the ange, who is the Lord God of Isaiah 48:16... now, if the Lord God is Jesus, whom many here say is the "Son", well who was sent if Jesus the Son is the Lord God?.
@@EmmittCooper Father, Son and Spirit are 3 Persons who are One God..
Father sends Jesus, Jesus send the angel. What's the confusion?
Michael Brown is a Oneness Pentecostal. Great job!!
No Michael Brown claims to believe in a Trinity. I also am a Oneness Pentecostal but I have been praying for our Jewish friends who are holding onto the Trinitarian dogma developed by the RCC. Tertullian wrote in his book Against Praxeus (see chapter 3) that "they that always constitute the majority of believers reject the economy (Trinitas)" and he acknowledged that the majority of believers in his day (160-225 AD) were Modalistic Monarchians. I have the historical and scriptural evidence to prove that the Trinitarian dogma developed and that the majority of Christians were Monarchian Modalists who believed the same theology of us Oneness Pentecostals. Praying for all Jews who stand for Jesus to come back to the faith that was once delivered to the saints by the original Jewish apostles. Free books and articles at apostolicchristianfaith.com
Steven Ritchie Qnume is mentioned in bible and means trinity!!!!
Dr Michael Brown is Trinitarian like me 🙂
Every Trinity Believer is in the right knowing of Who GOD is according to His WORD.
To believe that GOD is TRIUNE is not a deception 🙂
Outside this teaching (Trinity/Trinitas/Trias) is a dangerous attempt to represent the GOD according to the Bible that He's not Triune. There's no other Truth outside the Doctrine of the Trinity (Theologically and Biblically) accurate and not heretic.
All of us are seeking The Truth until we find it. Trinity is what The Bible teaches.
@@stevenritchie8220 "I and the father are one" - Jesus
"Baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy spirit" - Jesus
Anyone interested in the Trinity will find the book by Allah Segal called "Two Powers In Heaven" very interesting. In Second Temple Judaism there were Jews believed in Yahweh who was complex in His Unity, that there were two in the Hebrew Bible called Yahweh who were distinct from one another and yet the same. The book goes through Judaism, Christianity and Gnosticism to show its not as fine cut as many believe today. In fact it looks like it was the rise of Christianity that forced many Jews to adopt the Unitiarian concept of God after the 2nd century AD, as a polemic against Jewish Christians.
The Godhead is there in the pages of both Testaments.
YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER ME: WILL JESUS BE SUBJECTED TO YHWH IN THE END ? ? ?
1 Corinthians 15:
24 Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
The belief that the G-d of our forefathers is a trinity or complex unity is NOT in Tanach, nor a belief passed down to us by our prophets, judges/elders, sages, etc. Quite to the contrary, the trinity mystery doctrine was a creation of a few gentile church fathers centuries after the Nazarene, as noted many times already, and backed up with historical evidence from top Xtian scholars and church historians:
1. Dr. William Craig himself was forced to admit there is no trinity concept in the Hebrew Scriptures: Dr. William Lane Craig admits that the Trinity is NOT FOUND in the Old Testament !! MUST SEE
2. "And remember, the concept of the Trinity came about when followers of Jesus looked at all the pieces of the puzzle and tried to put together the evidence of the Scriptures" (Michael Brown---Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus : Volume 2: Theological Objections, p. 4)
3. "There is in the Old Testament no indication of distinctions in the Godhead; it is an anachronism to find either the doctrine of the Incarnation or that of the Trinity in its pages" ("God," Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Vol. 6, p. 254).
4. "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity" (The Encyclopedia of Religion, ed. Mircea Eliade, Macmillan Publishing Company, 1987, Vol. 15, p. 54).
5. "The doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 306).
6. "The Old Testament tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.... There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead.... Even to see in the Old Testament suggestions or foreshadowings or ‘veiled signs’ of the Trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers" (Edmund J. Fortman, The Triune God, Baker Book House, 1972, pp. xv, 8, 9).
7. "There is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed but not a new theology…And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one God" (L.L. Paine, A Critical History of the Evolution of Trinitarianism, Houghton Mifflin and Co., 1900, p. 4).
8. "The Old Testament can scarcely be used as authority for the existence of distinctions within the Godhead. The use of ‘us’ by the divine speaker (Gen. 1:26, 3:32, 11:7) is strange, but it is perhaps due to His consciousness of being surrounded by other beings of a loftier order than men (Isa. 6:8)" (A.B. Davidson, "God," Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. II, p. 205).
9. "From Philo onward, Jewish commentators have generally held that the plural [Gen. 1:26, ‘Let us make man....’] is used because God is addressing his heavenly court, i.e., the angels (cf. Isa. 6:8). [This is also the explanation given by the NIV Study Bible] From the Epistle of Barnabas and Justin Martyr, who saw the plural as a reference to Christ, Christians have traditionally seen this verse as foreshadowing the Trinity. It is now universally admitted that this was not what the plural meant to the original author" (Gordon Wenham, Word Commentary on Genesis, p. 27).
10. "Because the Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it is striking that the term does not appear in the NT. Likewise the developed concept of three coequal partners in the Godhead found in later creedal formulations cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon" (Oxford Companion to the Bible, ed. Bruce Metzger, OUP, 1993, p. 782).
11. "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible.... It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church until the fourth century" (Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Intervarsity Press, Tyndale House Publishers, 1980, part 3, p. 1).
12. "The Trinity is not directly and immediately the Word of God" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 304).
13. "In Scripture there is yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word ‘Trias’ (of which the Latin ‘Trinitas’ is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about 180 AD.... Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of ‘Trinitas’ in Tertullian" (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912, Vol. 15, p. 47).
14. "Hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for [Tertullian] does not apply the words [which were later applied to Trinitarianism] to Trinitarian theology" (Michael O’Carroll, Trinitas: A Theological Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity, 1987, p. 208).
The above quotes from top church scholars and historians should help people realize, that according to Xtian sources, the mystery doctrine Xtians are being fed can be traced back to a few gentile "church fathers" in leadership nearly 100-200 yrs after the Nazarene. There is NO LINK of a mystery trinity doctrine teaching from the Nazarene or his brother James (left in charge according to early church historians)! The Jewish people have NEVER received such teaching from the G-d of Israel in Sinai, Moses, the Torah, or the Prophets, till today. There is NOTHING in the Hebrew Scriptures teaching about a trinitarian mystery doctrine, and nothing of the sort expressly found in the NT as well.
II. Now, concerning the verses I have brought up which clearly show the Nazarene was a strict Jewish unitarian monotheist, you have failed once again to address the clear statements of the Nazarene on these matters, while choosing to instead look for verses from his followers which contradict the Nazarene and take the gentile church father side on the matter.
John 17:3, "This is eternal life, that they may know You (Heavenly Father), the only true G-d, and Iesous the messiah whom You have sent."
Luke 18:18-20, "A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’
John 5:44, "How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?"
John 20:17, "Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God"
Once, the above verses show beyond any shadow of doubt that the Nazarene NEVER thought/taught himself to be the true G-d of Israel. Just the opposite, he taught that the only the Heavenly Father is the true G-d, and that this is his G-d just as it is the G-d of his Jewish bretheren, etc. He taught he was called and sent by the only true G-d and that he was His servant, and identified himself with "son of man", "annointed one", messianic references, but NEVER as G-d himself.
Mark 12:28-34, "One of the teachers of the Law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” 32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but Him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions."
Here we see the Nazarene affirming the age old Jewish declaration that HaShem our G-d is one. He answered a "teacher of the Law", a first century pharisee sage of his day, and identified with the strictly monotheistic unitarian knowledge of the Jewish people that HaShem, our Heavenly Father (Deut 1:31, 8:5, 32:6, Isaiah 63:16, Isaiah 64:8, Jer 3:19, etc.), is the only true G-d and there is none other beside Him. The answer from the Nazarene pleased the Pharisean teacher of the Law, and the teacher of the Law's reply also found favor in the Nazarene's eyes. It is clear from here that the Nazarene once again affirmed his belief to his audience that the Heavenly Father is our G-d and that He is one, as understood by the audience.
Consequently, any verse from any other disciple or NT author claiming the contrary, is against Torah and Hebrew Scriptures, and the Nazarene himself, and must be seen as heretical and rejected w/ both hands.
15. The formulation ‘One God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 14, p. 299).
16. "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word Trinity appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord" (Arthur Weigall, The Paganism in our Christianity, G.P. Putnam and Sons, 1928, p. 198)
17. "Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary a deviation from this teaching" (The Encyclopedia Americana, p. 1956, p. 2941)
18. "No Apostle would have dreamed of thinking that there are three divine Persons" (Emil Brunner, Christian Doctrine of God, Dogmatics, Vol. 1, p. 226).
19. "The New Testament writers...give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three equal divine persons.... Nowhere do we find any Trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead" (Fortman, The Triune God, pp. xv, xvi, 16).
NahalHayyim speaks the truth!
I like how there is no comments to your post even though the post is on a prominent trinitarian youtube channel!!!
@Saint of Dynasty I meant a response to his post, also the truth he posted was various dictionaries, encyclopedias and other authorities clearly showing the trinity was a later development, unless these authorities are false??
@Saint of Dynasty While true nothing in Nahal's post is about the council of Nicea so your post is irrelevant to the discussion no offense.
@Saint of Dynasty whose Nahal's or XAP, if it was to Nahal's your response wasn't a response to anything he posted.
I loved the explanation of one God up until "the eternal preexistent Son." The history behind this teaching is not biblical but Greek philosophy. The Ante-Nicene Fathers borrowed this concept from Philo of Alexandria. The common application of the word "Logos" or expression used in the bible was replaced with the pagan Greek Logos as the divine messenger. I would love to compare notes. The term "Trinity" was given to us by the Ante-Nicene Fathers. Theophilus was the first to use this word in his writings in 180 A.D.
How do you explain Genesis 18, Genesis 12, and Exodus 24 when they see God? The exact same way Jesus is the Logos/Word/Memra/Malakh as seen in the New Testament.
Justin Thomas There is no proof that one of the angels that appeared to Abraham on the plains of Mamre was the second divine person of a 3 person deity. Heb. 1:1 proves that the Son did not speak to the Israelites until these last days.
The Book of Jasher is mentioned in Joshua 10:12-13 when Lord stopped the sun in the middle of the day during the battle of Beth Horon. It is also mentioned in 2 Samuel 1:18-27 as containing the Song or Lament of the Bow, that mournful funeral song which David composed at the time of the death of Saul and Jonathan. Since inspired scripture itself gives credence to the authenticity of this book, then surely we can also read it as a reliable source.
JASHER CHAPTER 18:4 "And Yahweh appeared to him in the plain of Mamre, and SENT THREE OF HIS MINISTERING ANGELS to visit him, and he was sitting at the door of the tent, and he lifted his eyes and saw, and lo three men were coming from a distance, and he rose up and ran to meet them, and he bowed down to them and brought them into his house."
Notice how the book of Jasher states that Yahweh sent three angels and that only two of the angels went to Sodom. Here the book of Jasher says that all three of the men were angels. Both the Bible and the book of Jasher says that these men were angels. Trinitarians allege that one of the men was literally Yahweh God Himself or a pre-incarnate Son of God because God had spoken through one of the angels.
Justin Thomas What is the passage in Genesis 12? Exodus 24 does not prove that the 70 Elders actually SAW the God of Israel with their physical eyes. DEUTERONOMY 5:4 PROVES THAT YAHWEH ALSO TALKED TO THE ISRAELITES “FACE TO FACE.”
Deuteronomy 5:4-5 “YAHWEH SPOKE TO YOU FACE TO FACE at the mountain from the midst of the fire, while I was standing between YAHWEH and you at that time, to declare to you the word of YAHWEH; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain.”
THE WORDS “FACE TO FACE” IN THIS CONTEXT PROVES THAT GOD’S FACE WAS NOT ACTUALLY SEEN. Therefore the words “face to face” are a figurative or an idiomatic Hebrew expression for closeness to God’s glory. Yet there is no evidence to prove that any mortal man has been so close to God that he was actually able to see the fullness of His glory with human eyes.
IN DEUTERONOMY 5:4 MOSES WAS REFERRING TO THE GIVING OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ON MOUNT SINAI IN EXODUS CHAPTER 20. THEREFORE THE ISRAELITES DID NOT ACTUALLY SEE GOD FACE TO FACE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY SEE GOD AS ONE SEES WITH THE EYES.
Deuteronomy 4:12, 15-16
"And Yahweh spoke unto you out of the midst of the fire: you heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only you heard a voice …. Take you therefore good heed unto yourselves; for you saw no manner of similitude on the day that Yahweh spoke unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest you corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female."
But did Moses really see God face to face with his human eyes?
In Exodus 33 Moses was only permitted to see God’s BACK.
Exodus 33:18-23 “18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”19 And YAHWEH said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, YAHWEH, in your presence ... 20 But,” he said, “You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and YOU WILL SEE MY BACK; but my face must not be seen.”
Wherefore, Moses did not actually see God’s literal back. He only saw a portion of the GLORY of God’s presence as He passed by.
THE PROPHETS SAW VISIONS OF GOD WHEN THEY SAW GOD
The prophets who did “see God” also clearly stated that they were seeing visions of God.
Isaiah 1:1 “The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz concerning Judah and Jerusalem, which he saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.”
Ezekiel 1:1 “Now it came about in the thirtieth year, on the fifth day of the fourth month, while I was by the river Chebar among the exiles, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.”
Daniel 7:13-14 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.”
Revelation 1:10
“I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.”
THE OLD COVENANT LAW WAS GIVEN BY ANGELS.
Acts 7:35-38 "This Moses whom they rejected … is the one God sent to be a ruler and deliverer BY THE HAND OF THE ANGEL WHO APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BUSH … This is he (Moses), that was in the church in the wilderness with THE ANGEL WHICH SPOKE TO HIM IN THE MOUNT SINAI, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us …”
Acts 7:53 “Who have RECEIVED THE LAW BY THE DIRECTION OF ANGELS, and have not kept it."
Galatians 3:19 The Law “… was ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator (Moses).”
THE GREEK WORD TRANSLATED AS “ORDAINED” IS “DIATASSO” WHICH MEANS “TO COMMAND.”
THEREFORE THE LAW WAS COMMANDED BY ANGELS IN THE HAND OF MOSES.
ALTHOUGH YAHWEH GOD TALKED TO THE ISRAELITES, THE SCRIPTURES APPEAR TO STATE THAT YAHWEH’S ACTUAL VOICE WAS NOT HEARD BY THE ISRAELITES.
Hebrews 2:2
“For if THE WORD SPOKEN BY ANGELS was steadfast (THE LAW), and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation (NEW COVENANT SALVATION) …”
ALTHOUGH YAHWEH GOD GAVE THE LAW TO THE ISRAELITES THROUGH ANGELS, YAHWEH’S VOICE AND FORM WAS NOT ACTUALLY HEARD OR SEEN.
IF PROPHETS CAN SPEAK THE WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF AS MESSENGERS, HOW MUCH MORE CAN THE HOLY ANGELS which stand continually in His presence? Many scriptures can be given as references to prove that even human prophets spoke like angelic messengers in that they spoke as the agents of God Himself. Therefore the Spirit of God Himself gave the prophets the very words of God as God spoke through them as messengers yet we cannot state that the messengers themselves were God.
I can give many examples where human messengers also spoke as God but I will submit just one:
1 Kings 11:29-39
29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take you ten pieces: for thus says YAHWEH, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: God said, “I WILL.”
ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.”
32 (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)
TWO REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “MY SERVANT,” “I HAVE,”
33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in my eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
FIVE REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “FORSAKEN ME,” “MY WAYS,” “MY EYES,” “MY STATUTES,” “MY JUDGMENTS.”
34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
SIX REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL,” “I WILL,” “MY SERVANT’S,” “I CHOSE,” “MY COMMANDMENTS,” “MY STATUTES.”
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.
ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.”
36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there.
FIVE REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I GIVE,” “MY SERVANT,” “BEFORE ME,” “I HAVE CHOSEN,” “MY NAME.”
37 And I will take thee, and you shall reign according to all that your soul desires, and shall be king over Israel.
ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.”
38 And it shall be, if you will hearken unto all that I command thee, and will walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with you, and build you a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto you.
EIGHTH REFERENCES TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I COMMAND,” “MY WAYS,” “MY SIGHT,” “MY STATUTES,” “MY COMMANDMENTS,” “MY SERVANT,” “I WILL BE WITH YOU,” “I BUILT FOR DAVID.”
39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.
ONE REFERENCE TO GOD HIMSELF SPEAKING THROUGH AHIJAH: “I WILL.”
Notice that God spoke directly through the prophet Ahijah 30 times by saying words like: ME, I WILL, I HAVE, MY SIGHT, MY SERVANT, MY STATUTES, MY JUDGMENTS, MY WAYS, and so forth. God spoke through the prophet by repeatedly using the words, “I, Me, and My.” Therefore it was not Ahijah that was speaking but God Himself who spoke through the prophet. Wherefore, just as no one should call the prophets visible Theophanies or Christophanies for speaking as the mouthpiece of God, so no one should call Angelic messengers Theophanies or Christophanies either.
No Trinitarian can provide us with a single passage of scripture which proves beyond a reasonable doubt that any of the angelic messengers were actually appearances of the Son of God prior to His birth at Bethlehem. Furthermore, if any of the angelic messengers were appearances of the Son of God prior to His birth at Bethlehem then we must reject the book of Hebrews as the Word of God. For Hebrews 1:1-2 says that “God … spoke in times past to the Fathers by the prophets, has IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON.” Why would inspired scripture say that God spoke to the Israelite Fathers by the prophets (as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures) has in these last days spoken unto us by His Son if God had also spoken to us through His Son in the Hebrew scriptures? Therefore Hebrews 1:1-2 prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Son of God did not speak to humanity “until these last days.” Hence, it is unscriptural to allege that the Son of God actually spoke as angelic Theophanies or Christophanies prior to His virgin conception and birth.
PART 3. CHRISTOPHANIES AND THEOPHANIES ARE NOT ANGELS
THE OLD TESTAMENT LAW WAS GIVEN BY ANGELS.
Galatians 3:19
The Law “… was ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator (Moses).”
ORDAINED is translated from the Greek word diatassó (dee-at-as’-so) which means, “To give orders to, command, Prescribe.” The word “diatasso” is commonly used throughout the New Testament for giving “orders,” “commandments,” or “instructions.”
So we could translate Galatians 3:19 as the Law “… was commanded, instructed, or prescribed by angels in the hand of a mediator (Moses).”
HEBREWS 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD HIMSELF.
ANGELIC APPEARANCES BROUGHT THE PRESENCE, POWER, AND MESSAGES OF GOD BUT THE ANGELIC MESSENGERS WERE NOT GOD HIMSELF.
AN ANGEL WRESTLED WITH JACOB IN Genesis 32:24
“Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until the breaking of day.
JACOB CALLED THE NAME OF THE PLACE WHERE THE ANGEL WRESTLED WITH HIM PENIEL IN Genesis 32:30
“So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: ‘for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.’”
YET Hosea 12:3-4 PROVES THAT THE ANGEL WAS NOT GOD.
“He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God: Yes, he had power over the angel, and prevailed.”
HOW COULD JACOB SAY HE SAW GOD FACE TO FACE WHEN HE SAW AN ANGEL?
In the ancient Semitic “law of agency,” “A PERSON’S AGENT IS REGARDED AS THE PERSON HIMSELF (Ned. 72b; Kidd. 41b).”
The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, Adama Books, New York, NY, 1986, pg.15 states:
“The angels that spoke the law were Yahweh's agents or representatives. As such, they had full authority to not only speak in His name, but to seemingly appropriate His name as in Exodus 20:2; ‘I am Yahweh thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.’ They were speaking exactly what Yahweh wanted them to say.”
Exodus 23:20-23
"Behold, I send an Angel before you, to keep you in the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if you shall indeed obey his voice (THE ANGEL’S VOICE), and DO ALL THAT I SPEAK (GOD’S SPOKEN MESSAGES); then I will be an enemy unto your enemies, and an adversary unto your adversaries. For my angel shall go before you, and bring you in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off."
THE ANGEL WAS THE ACTUAL MESSENGER SPEAKING TO THE ISRAELITES WHILE YAHWEH GOD HIMSELF COMMANDED THE ANGEL TO DELIEVER “ALL THAT I SPEAK.”
Genesis.22:10-12 - "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. And the angel of Yahweh called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not your hand upon the lad, neither do anything unto him: for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son FROM ME."
Notice how we can detect the angel’s voice when he said, “now I know that you fear God.” Yet we can also see that the message of God Himself spoke through the angel when he said, “seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son FROM ME.”
I copied and pasted this data from my notes which have not yet been posted on my web site at apostolicchristianfaith.com
Steven Ritchie How can you miss the obvious? Three physical "men" appear to Abraham. Two (identified as angels) go on to Sodom. Who is the one who remains back??? Between Gen. 18:22-33, the third "man" is identified as the LORD seven times! And we know that at the same time God would have been in heaven. In fact the Lord on earth and the Lord in heaven are mentioned in the same verse: Gen. 19:24! Now, let's hear you attempt to explain it all away.....
55k3v1n John 1:18 states that "no man has seen God ..." The text does not say, "God the Father." Hence, the whole Individual Being of God has never been seen by human eyes! So if the Son was actually seen by human eyes as an alleged God the Son (before the Son was in flesh), then the Son could not be God. Therefore you Trinitarians are really teaching a form of Arianism (a lesser god under the true God) while us Oneness Pentecostals are teaching the full deity of Christ!
Some patriarchs and OT prophets saw God only by visions, dreams, and angelic manifestations via "the law of agency" but they did not actually see the fullness of God's glory.
In the Semitic “law of agency,” “A PERSON’S AGENT IS REGARDED AS THE PERSON HIMSELF (Ned. 72b; Kidd. 41b).”
The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, Adama Books, New York, NY, 1986, pg. 15 states:
“The angels that spoke the law were Yahweh's agents or representatives. As such, they had full authority to not only speak in His name, but to seemingly appropriate His name as in Exodus 20:2; ‘I am Yahweh thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.’ They were speaking exactly what Yahweh wanted them to say.”
Moses was permitted to see the back portion of God's glorious presence as the Almighty passed by while he was hid in the cleft of the rock, but he could not have actually seen the fullness of God's glory (His face) or he would have died.
If there were 3 coequal Persons called God then each divine Person should be fully God without any difference in attributes. Hence, "No man has seen God" would mean that no man would be able to see any true God Person. If an alleged coequal God the Son was just as coequal as God the Father, then no one should be able to see an alleged second God the Son Person either. For If the Son's divine attributes are not completely equal with the divine attributes of God the Father, then how could they both be coequal? Could the Father be so much more radiant in glory than an alleged coequal God the Son that we can only see the Son but not the Father? That would be an Arian Son rather than a Trinitarian Son! Therefore the words, "No man has seen GOD at any time" would also have to apply to a coequal God the Son Person. If not, then the Son could not be fully coequal, could he?
Some prophets and patriarchs saw God in visions, dreams, and through angelic appearances through the Hebrew law of agency. Therefore to see the messenger (the angel) was to see the God Himself.
Furthermore, Hebrews 1:2 proves that God spoke through the prophets and through angels but not through His Son until "these last days." Therefore the Son could not have been one of those angelic appearances because God did not speak to the Israelites by His Son until "these last days."
"For to which of the angels did He (God) ever say, 'You are My Son, THIS DAY have I begotten (given birth to) you.? And again, 'I WILL BE a Father to him (the Son), and he SHALL BE a Son to Me (Heb. 1:5)." Hence, the Son could not have been one of those OT angels because God never spoke to an angel as a Son. Furthermore, the Son could not have literally existed as an actual distinct person until God actually Fathered a Son via His own Holy Spirit within the virgin (Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35).
you are correct. This is exactly what I heard the other night. Jesus told me that "Humans got the trinity all wrong." He gave me the understanding that the Trinity doctrine that there are three ENTITIES in one God is incorrect. There is God, His Word, His Spirit. God sent Jesus to us as the WORD made flesh. Jesus told us he would not leave us orphans and God's Spirit was sent to us. Ultimately, not three entities, just our Father giving us his WORD as the lamb of God and much more, and his Spirit to comfort and guide us. So simple yet religion and it's scholars cannot figure it out. It takes God to make something clear to us..
Jesus told you this ?
Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father}
Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God}
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou
shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God}
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God}
But unto the Son he {God} saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a
son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD}
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus}
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52
And when they saw him, they worshiped him:
And they worshiped him.
John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou }
the definite article.
Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed.
Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD}
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all,
forever praised! Amen…NIV
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was
and which is to come, the Almighty.
{John states the Jesus claims to be God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent
mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name
Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto
them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?
What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM}
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
This explains how he created all
Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all}
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens
are the works of thine hands.
Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him.
And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
In His Service,
Sarah R hi
@@canderssonswedican7486 the actual translation for Isaiah 9:6 is “the Everlasting Father and Mighty God will call him prince of peace” and the translation that was made to the bibles were made in a future tense but in Hebrew is talking about a son that was already born.
@@clarkkent6585
For a Child is born unto us a Son is given unto us and will be the government upon His shoulder and will be called His name Wonderful Counselor God Mighty Everlasting-Father Prince of Peace
כִּי־ יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־ לָ֗נוּ בֵּ֚ן נִתַּן־ לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־ שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔וֹר אֲבִיעַ֖ד שַׂר־ שָׁלֽוֹם׃
God is the infinite quantum......you cant understand his nature of being. He reveals as wishes.
5:00 - He's right that _echad_ simply means "one," but it is unclear from Deuteronomy 6:4 alone whether it is to be understood as a simple unity or a complex unity. If you "supplement" it with earlier verses (Genesis 1:26-27), which provide grammatical evidence for a simple unity, then Deuteronomy 6:4 must agree with the earlier passages. In other words, _echad_ in the Shema means a simple unity.
The main issue with complex unity is that it forces the believer into a multi-branched relationship with God. It prevents you from _experiencing_ God as a unity. This is sort of like going to the post office (something I don't wish on anybody) and having to address your needs to three different departments. It's one post office, but three departments, so as an "end user" you don't get the full benefits of the One God. Your experience wouldn't feel that different from somebody who worshiped three gods joined together in perfect unison with each other.
But if the "echad" for "one" at Deut. 6:4 is really to be interpreted as a complex unity like in the other examples Trintarians love to cite. Then we should expect to see the echad used there with various plural or composite modifiers in the context like in those other examples they cite.
For instance, if Moses wrote the Shema as "Hear O Israel, the LORD (YHWH) our God, **they** are one LORD (YHWH).
Or " ... the LORD our God, the LORD is **three** in one", or some similar. Then that would undeniably indicate echad had complex unity as with the other examples.
But I'm not aware of any instances in scripture where echad occurs without the use of any plural/composite modifiers in the context like the Shema is, where it means any other than only one solitary individual.
@@H.T.2forever I agree with everything you said. I wrote about this in more depth at the blog linked in my profile. The title of that post is, "God Is One - The Word "Echad" in the Torah."
I don't think you understand analogies. You can say "an evening and a morning equal 'one' day; and, you can say, Adam and Eve came together as 'one' (couple); you can even say an apple and a pear and an orange came together to form 'one' smoothie. Go ahead, they are NOT analogous to the trinity. Wanna know why? Because the trinity says 1 god+1 god+1 god=1 god; so, in order for your comparisons to be analogous, you would have to say: 1 day+1 day=1 day; 1 couple+1couple=1 couple; 1 smoothie+1smoothie+1 smoothie=1 smoothie. See? Don't do it again!
Jesus peace be upon him is profet of God❤❤❤
Your lord is one
It's simple for me, in my life of believing in God has a Christian besides when I watch things like this or things on the topic, I can't remember in my life of ever thinking of three Gods,,,,,,,, a Jewish person may not understand this but I never believe or prayed like that. It was like a auto matic of allways ONE God . Never have I divided into three , Jews must just think that way about Christians but it ant like that inside if anyone gets me, father,son,holy spirit , allways is one in my mind, people just don't understand.
If you took out the words "three distinct divine persons" I think that Jews and Muslims might be more open to dialogue. If you were to say "three manifestations" or that "the Father is the only true God and the Word and Spirit are manifestations of that only true God the Father," I could see that a Trinity could stand. However, the historical evidence proves that those who developed the Trinity dogma were first Arians and then later Trinitarians who believed in the Athanasian creed in the fourth century. Athanasius also taught that Jesus is the mother of God. Do we want do be children of the Roman Catholic church or do we want to be children of Abraham, Moses, and the apostles and prophets? For the true theology of the apostles and prophets visit apostolicchristianfaith.com
Steven Ritchie this is why I watched alot about the Hebrew roots of the bible and of Jesus/Yeshua, not what Rome as to say, also how important the feasts of the Lord are and how Jesus fullfilled the spring feasts at the very day and time, and will fulfill the fall feasts starting with feasts of trumpets of the messiah return, these are God's apointment times throw out history(like dress rehearsals to be ready and not the late bridegroom that gets left out).
WHATISTRUTH May the Spirit of truth bless you and lead you into all truth and righteousness.
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Steven Ritchie first, Arian didn't develop the doctrine of the Trinity. He taught that Jesus is not God or equal with God similar to Jehovah's witness doctrine. 2nd, the idea that Jesus and the Spirit are manifestations was rejected by the early church because those who take this view believe those manifestations are temporal. This was the teaching that God takes on differing "modes" at different times. So God reveals himself as Father in the OT, Son in the NT and Holy Spirit at Pentecost but never all 3 modes at the same time. This is what is called modalism and was rejected as unbiblical by the early church. It is held by modern day onesness Pentecostals. Using manifestation as a way to describe God fails the biblical test because the bible teaches the Son is eternal as well as the holy spirit.
Thank You for this... I believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. There has been some not so friendly debates concerning this subject on social media. I have come to find all it does is cause division and confusion where there shouldn't be.
+Kimberly Merritt
There is no "God the son" or "God The holy Spirit", _anywhere_ in scripture.
*There is ONLY ONE God, who is The Father.*
Blessings
here some ammo if you want more just ask....
Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father}
Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God}
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou
shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God}
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God}
But unto the Son he {God} saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a
son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD}
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus}
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52
And when they saw him, they worshiped him:
And they worshiped him.
John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou }
the definite article.
Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed.
Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD}
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all,
forever praised! Amen…NIV
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was
and which is to come, the Almighty.
{John states the Jesus claims to be God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent
mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name
Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto
them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?
What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM}
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
This explains how he created all
Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all}
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens
are the works of thine hands.
Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him.
And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
In His Service,
God made Himself known to Moses in the form of a bush, a shrub? BLASPHEMY!
no, an ANGEL spoke for GOD in the first person at the "burning bush"
Exo 3:2, Acts 7:30
BLASPHEMY
VictorCrowne Um...read a few verses later.
Exodus 3:4
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
So yes, God was manifest in the bush. By that i mean he spoke through it.
God spoke to Moses as the personage of the Angel of YHWH. Whenever God reveals himself on earth it is as the Angel of YHWH or it is through the Holy Spirit. The Angel of YHWH is not an angel but Jesus the Word of YHWH.
in the beginning God said let's make man in our image, according to our likeness. That is why they made man and woman, to create a family bc God is one family.
God is ONE PERSON.
"He" is The Father.
WHO is Jesus The Son *_OF?_*
He is also the Son of Man, and the first begotten among the dead, and the first and the last, and the first born over all creation: these are TITLES. Jesus is God and it is biblically clear. If you believe Jesus is God, then as a Unitarian you must think that Jesus was the Father- if so, then you cannot reconcile the Holy Spirit because He is called God.
Joseph Garrett They are not merely titles but are WHO Jesus IS.
Jesus is truly God's SON.
Unitarians do not believe that Jesus is God.
How is Jesus "God" when 1- GOD is Jesus' Father, and 2- Jesus is WITH God, in heaven?
Yes, Jesus (The Word) was WITH God, and Jesus (The Word) was God.
Chris,
The original Greek text says that THE WORD _FACED_ *"The God",* and *"god"* was THE WORD.
Yahweh never talks about himself as a unity of 3. Or let me say I haven't seen it in the Scriptures. Can someone please point me to where he does. Did Christ teach the trinity to his disciples. Surely he must have because most trinitarians will tell you that if you don't believe in the trinity you can't be saved. Point to the scripture where it says that you are saved by believing in trinity. Surely Christ taught, right?
devg7728 YHVH itself is trinity!!!
yno nyo where does he describe himself like that in the old testament.
You need to understand the hebrew letters well. Y is the father, the first H is his Image, or lets say the Body, infact the son, the memra of yah, in which he manifest himself. V is the holy spirith and it have YH into it, and we could stop here, thats trinity and all in oneis god. Now the second H represents the first H on earth, infact the Human, and infact the Human in his completion haveing V into him, this is when Human becomes more like God. But this things you wont get by just reading YHVH, you need infact a deeper knowledge of the letters and a bit of logics. If we used math for example, so Y is +i while first H is -i on the immaginary axis and V is -1 on the real axis and the second H is +1 and so the whole is GOD is YHVH.
yno nyo where did you learn this concept. In my 25 years of study of the Scriptures and dialogue with inter believers I have never heard of what you just said
yno nyo The trinity has to be explained into the Scriptures. The oneness of God comes forth from them.
Acts 14:8-18, "In Lystra there sat a man who was lame. He had been that way from birth and had never walked. 9 He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10 and called out, “Stand up on your feet!” At that, the man jumped up and began to walk. 11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!” 12 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. 16 In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17 Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.” 18 Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them"
As these disciples found out, it was quite common for the gentiles of the day to believe that their deity would come to them in the form of human beings. Upon witnessing a human being like Paul do a miracle, they immediately wanted o worship Paul/Barnabas as incarnations of the divine among them in human form. Sadly, centuries later the gentile church fathers raised in such pagan religions and cultures, started to promote these same ideas concerning the Nazarene, ie., that he was incarnation of the divine in human form, etc.
lol, I never connected this scripture with that good job
They worshipping Zeus and Hermes, and Paul and his friends as the gods.
Of course the Apostles got angry! Both of us are mere men! Don't worship us! Worship God through His Son!
A Reply to Dr. Michael Brown: "One" simply means One in the Bible.
Thank you!
How many persons are in One flesh?
Ofcourse One means One. But two persons are One flesh.
Where does it say that two are one?
MrT One flesh. You should know where.
No, I don't know can someone please show me. Thank you DMO DMO maybe someone else knows better than you...
1 John 4 : 5 "This is why the source of their speaking is in the world and is the reason why the world listens to them."
jesus said I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA - is that heretical. yes if he was not god.
correct...
Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father}
Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God}
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou
shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God}
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God}
But unto the Son he {God} saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a
son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD}
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus}
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52
And when they saw him, they worshiped him:
And they worshiped him.
John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou }
the definite article.
Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed.
Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD}
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all,
forever praised! Amen…NIV
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was
and which is to come, the Almighty.
{John states the Jesus claims to be God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent
mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name
Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto
them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?
What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM}
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
This explains how he created all
Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all}
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens
are the works of thine hands.
Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him.
And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
In His Service,
that verse was included in the bible
Where did Jesus find the understanding of a Truine God? Let's turn to the Dead Sea Scrolls, Isaiah 48: 16-17, which leads us back to Genesis 1, and Genesis 3.
READ Scripture Again.. Jesus is Relating the message from God..
@@choicegospelnetwork , what part of "Jesus Said", didn't you understand?
I’m a little late but I have to disagree with Dr. Brown, completely because it is shown in the Bible that without the Son everything that has been made could not have been made. So basically saying that everything was made through the Son. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit act as One meaning they work in Unity. Without the Son, the Father cannot act. It is as simple as that. Oh and to say that Jesus would not be worshipped is completely wrong because when people would present themselves to Jesus and would kneel before him praising him, Jesus didn’t speak against it but in Revelations when John saw the beautiful angel he was about to commit an atrocity and was about to kneel down but the angel told him no, stand up we both serve the same Master.
20:05 he literally says that everything was created through the Son. What is your disagreement exactly?
The doctrine of the trinity is satans biggest lies and most humans will believe a lie before they believe the truth because they are not willing to give their hearts to GOD! My GOD is the ONE and ONLY OMNIPOTENT GOD, which is something the we humans cannot understand and should avoid trying to understand. We are to just have faith and believe that HE is and that HE rewards those who diligently seek HIM! IF
If Walker So Thomas was lying on behalf of Satan when he addressed Jesus as "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28)??? And Jesus never rebuked Thomas for lying on behalf of Satan??? Instead Jesus affirms Thomas for finally seeing that He is who He said He is: both "Lord" and "God"!
55k3v1n Thomas was just surprised. "Oh my God! Oh my Lord!"
David Brainerd Saying "Oh my God!" is using God's name in vain. If
Thomas addressed Jesus as "My Lord and my God", when in fact He
wasn't, he would have been guilty of taking God's name in vain. Jews of the first century believed that any careless use of God's name amounted to blasphemy.
If Thomas had taken the name of the Lord in vain, Jesus surely would have rebuked him. But not only did Jesus not rebuke Thomas, He commended Thomas for finally coming to believe He was who He said He was (both "Lord" and "God"). Jesus affirmed Thomas, not corrected him.
55k3v1n God is not God's name. God is a title. The Jews only considered it taking God's name in vain to use the actual name. That's why rather than pronouncing YHWH they said Adonai. Duh. Everyone knows this. The interpretation that saying "God" is taking God's "name" in vain is essentially an American Baptist interpretation. It didn't exist in the first century.
David Brainerd The Greek term "theos" is what Thomas addressed Jesus as. Jews know that "theos" is the Greek word for "G_D" or YHWH (Yahweh). And based on the context used in John 20:28, it is clear Thomas was addressing Thomas as both "Lord" and "God". Jesus clarifies why He didn't rebuke Thomas when He addressed Himself as "the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end" in Revelation 22:12-13.
Seems you have bought into a very serious lie that was taught to you by the proven false prophet Watchtower organization. They actually blaspheme our great God and Savior Jesus Christ by denigrating Him to angel status.
Wow Dr Brown. I'm impressed. I want to listen over and over again until it sinks
Dr Brown was sooooo close to the truth but his conclusion that their is a trinity is heresy.
Praise Christ
Read Genesis 18
Serious question... who was walking in the garden with Adam?
Simon Brown But I don't think he is saying there are three "a trinity" - isn't he saying there is only one but multiple expressions?
Simon Brown The only source I rely on is the bible. God's word. Show me where it is in the bible...
Plurality in the old testament is in harmony with the complex unity, but it does not prove it @12:02
ASKDrBrown Any so-called "Messianic Jew" who teaches the Trinity rather than agreeing with the real Messianic Jews (the Ebionites) that the Father alone is God and Jesus is only the Messiah and SON of God is a liar and not a Jew at all but a Baptist playing Jew by putting on tzitzits and a kappa.
David Brainerd you have got it right David. Very few people have.
David Brainerd GINOLJC, is not God a H430 'elohiym which is a plurality?. but, at the same time, is he not a singularity?. May I make a suggestion. God is a "diversity" of himself, or simply the SHARE of himself. I base this on Philippians 2:6 of the word "form", and its root G3313 meros. check it out. but this diversity, or the sharing of spirit is found in the very firs verse of Genesis 1:1 where the aleph and the tav shows God plurality
peace
Emmitt Cooper God is one. One person. Jesus says to the Father "You are the only true God." John 17:3. Case closed. Any other statement is pure heresy.
I must disagree, the only true God, "AND" Jesus Christ." and" makes the difference. here's my point, may I ask you a question is the Lord Jesus GOD?. I say yes, before, during, and after his flesh. now the Question, "as the Lord Jesus is the First and the Last, (per Rev 1:17). God is the First and the Last, per Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, and 48:12. IS THIS ONE PERSON OR TWO?, thanking you in advance for your answer,
Emmitt Cooper The text does not say "the only true God and Jesus Christ." It says "You the only true God, and the one whom you have sent, Jesus Christ." Jesus Christ is not being put on par with the one true God but is being affirmed to be the one SENT by the one true God.
Dr. Brown said -
'Tri-unity'' = Complex unity,
1.
The nature of GOD never changes,
Why did this complexity does not mention in O.T ?
2.
Why stop in Three?
If Jesus had a son , What is his status?
"The Grand Son of GOD" ???
Have you made a Family of GOD ? !!!
3.
How you deny pagan hindu,
when they say ,
Everything is in a unity ,
so everything is the One GOD?
There is only ONE God, the Father. There is only ONE Christ, the Son of God who is begotten (proceedeth) of His Father. There is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ which is the Comforter. There is NO "God the Holy Spirit".
God the Father and His Son are "One in Agreement" through the Spirit which is Holy as it emanates from God. THERE IS NO TRINITY. The Trinity is an Egpytian pagan belief that originated in Babylon and nothing more than Greek Philosophy: the Trinity is a concept, a philosophy. God is not abstract.
Joel Kharkongor Although I agree, I also disagree. The Holy Spirit is not originally the Spirit of Christ. Before Christ ever existed the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of the Father alone. It is now also the Spirit of Christ only because God has given the Spirit to him beyond measure (John 3:34) and given him the gift of the Spirit to pour out on his people (Acts 2:33). What you said smacks too much of a sort of Arianism.
The ancient writings/teachings of Arius and what he really believed have been destroyed by the the proponents and supporters of the Athanasian Creed who vehemently opposed teachings of Arius. The Creed had the credance and Seal of Emperor Constantine during the Council of Nicea c325 AD and henceforth the Roman Catholic Church, till date. All official records we now read are almost negative statements about Arianism as archived by Catholic monks and other writers who mostly referenced from Popish libraries. Their objective is to give a negative connotation to Arianism and brand a heretic to anyone who resembles to it.
I might and may not follow Arianism but apparently you and I understand the same thing!
1. There is only Almighty God, the Father. (Ex 20:2,3)
2. There is only One Son who proceedeth forth/begotten of God the Father (John 3:16)
3. The Holy Spirit which "emanated" from God the Father and poured out in full measure to His Son and from the Son to us (Titus 3:6, John 15:26, 16:14,15)
Joel Kharkongor What you just described is Eastern Orthodox Trinitarianism. So you're a Trinitarian. Congratulations, you're a polytheist heretic. There is one God, the Father. And one Son who was begotten in the sense of God making Mary conceive. He did not "proceed forth" in any sense like Arius and the Trinies claim.
Joel Kharkongor
/* There is NO "God the Holy Spirit". */
That is a blatant lie.
Genesis 1:2
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
/* The Trinity is an Egpytian pagan belief that originated in Babylon and nothing more than Greek Philosophy */
You just proved you don't know what you are talking about. You exude ignorance.
If the Trinity come from Babylon, how can it come from Greek philosophy? You just refuted your own statement.
The doctrine of the Trinity comes from the teachings of the LORD Jesus Christ in the New Testament and His Apostles.
There is no concept of the Trinity in any pagan religions of the earth, whether its Egypt, Babylon or any other far flung region of the earth. All deceivers are forced to use Christian language to try and create their lies.
The Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19) and anyone who denies the Father and the Son are Antichrist (1 John 2:22). Those who deny the doctrine of the Trinity as of the Devil.
John 8:24
"I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins.”
Surfxeo You're trying to refute the statement "There is NO 'God the Holy Spirit'" by quoting "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." Spirit OF God vs God the Holy Spirit....are you really too stupid to see the difference? You're trying to make a separate 3rd God out of the Holy Spirit, whereas in Scripture the Holy Spirit is the Spirit **OF** the one and only God which is the Father.
How can he say, God is complex in HIS unity? Three persons do not make a HE
If the three are human then yes. But He is God.
This is what I understand.
God loves human. But we are sinful. He cannot relate with us. Yes He could came but we will die seeing His glory. He is Holy.
Jesus is the way God relate with human, by becoming one of us, so that He can make us holy so that we can relate to Him.
Jesus is God's perfect image, who cannot do every thing from Himself. He have every thing God want to say, to us, and every thing to make us able to relate to God.
Since we cannot see God, receiving and seeing and obeying Jesus is receiving, seeing and obeying God. We cannot do more than that, since He is the fullness of God, in human body.
The Spirit is God's messenger who work among us, inside us, making us holy, making us remember Jesus's words and know God. Rejecting the Spirit is rejecting God Himself, it is an unforgivable sin in this word and the next one. We cease to be holy.
But we cannot divide or reduce God. God is infinite. And His Messengers should have His essences.
He cannot send angels, who don't know God as a human, since they are not God and not human, so He sent Christ who understand human weaknesses.
And God cannot send another Spirit than Himself, since He is the Holy One. He is Holy means He alone is different, special. Another Spirit will teach a part of himself to human as much as he wants to. The result is human not become holy.
Jesus and the Spirit are God Himself relating and working. It is the only possibility.
Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit means that we want to relate to the Father through the Son, by letting the work of the Spirit guide us.
I used to find it confusing until i looked into the relationship between the angel of the lord and YHWH
So God cannot just came and talk to people, " Hey, this is how you should worship Me. This is what I really like to be treated. Lets relate."
We will die. He is Holy.
So, He came in His Image. The human Jesus Christ.
" I am God's messenger. No one has seen God but Me. My Father is like this. This is what He want. This is what He love. All that Father have is Mine and all that I have is His. Father and I are one. If you have seen Me you have seen Father. Because I am human, through Me you can relate with Father. I am the only Way."
The Trial of William Whiston for denying the Trinity. Part 1
The following satirical tract was first published in 1740. It is about William Whiston on trial for speaking against the Trinity. Whiston was allowed to defend himself, cross-examine Trinity supporters, and call in his own witnesses (which even comprised of some of the apostles!)
This tract has been attributed to William Whiston or Alexander Pope, depending on the source. Pope is most certainly incorrect, for he was a Catholic. This work is not listed under Whiston's works in his biography. So the author remains unknown to me at this point.
William Whiston was an 18th century scientist and Bible scholar. He created controversy for denying the Trinity. He was a colleague of Sir Isaac Newton. Unlike Newton, he went public with his non-Trinitiarian beliefs, which adversely affected his career. He is now most popularly known as the translator of the works of Josephus.
This work is already freely available online. However, its original format makes for hard reading. This edition modernizes the text:
1) The original had few paragraph breaks, presenting the reader with a wall of text. This new version has more paragraph breaks.
2) Older spellings have been modernized. For example, the title was "The Tryal of William Whiston," which was changed to "The Trial of William Whiston."
3) When the phoneme "s" was used, the obsolete letter "ʃ" was used. This reads like an "f" for a modern reader, and drastically slows down reading time and comprehension. For example, Whiston's name was spelled "Whiʃton." The word "must" was spelled "muʃt," and so on. The "ʃ" has been replaced with the modern "s."
4) Every noun was capitalized. The new version reflects standard capitalization.
5) Finally, the original was too fond of the comma and semi-colon, many of them have been eliminated to smooth out the reading.
Click on: (Go to Part 2) at bottom of page. Enjoy.
brustingwulfe.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/trial-of-william-whiston-part-1.html
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That's 2 end of discussion. No Trinity.
Yes, Let US create man in OUR image.
Continue to the next verse- KJV Gen 1:27 So God created man in HIS [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
His own image is His image, Father, Son, and Spirit, is His image. Three Persons in One divine Essense. We were made for loving relationships, man and woman becoming one flesh, living in harmony with one another- loving always for the others sake, never our own- just as the Father, Son, and Spirit are One- eternally existing in harmony as One.
Gem Guy if you say so, it leads me to ask what your interpretation of Heb 1:3 and Col 1:15 says.
I try to avoid writing dissertations on comment streams- what is your take on those scriptures and I'll respond.
The Meaning of One
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is ONE Spirit.
The Spirit is God's essence. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. That is the missing key to understanding "the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The reason the Father and the Son are One is because they are the Holy Spirit. This scripture makes it plain. The Spirit is also how we are one in them when we believe.
Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but IN THE SPIRIT, if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
10 ¶ And if CHRIST be IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but THE SPIRIT IS LIFE because of righteousness.
11 But if THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS from the dead DWELL IN YOU, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU.
Ro 12:5 So WE, BEING MANY, ARE ONE BODY IN CHRIST, and every one members one of another.
1Co 10:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD.
1Co 12:12 ¶ For as THE BODY IS ONE, AND HATH MANY MEMBERS, and all the members of that ONE BODY, being many, are ONE BODY: SO ALSO IS CHRIST.
In the exact same way, Jesus said,...
Joh 10:30 I AND my Father ARE ONE.
Joh 17:11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE: (IN THE SAME WAY)
Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE IN ME through their word;
21 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE ONE: (IN THE SAME WAY)
23 I IN THEM AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 ¶ Father, I WILL THAT THEY ALSO, WHOM THOU HAS GIVEN ME, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for THOU LOVEDST ME BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I IN THEM.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, AND SHALL BE IN YOU.
18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM.
Jesus comes to us in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't leave them, it emanates from them. That is how God is omnipresent. His Spirit permeates every place in heaven and earth.
In the book of Revelation, in the last two chapters, where it talks about the new heaven and the new earth, we find no mention of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is there, in the Father and the Son. What we do see is a river of life flowing out of the throne.
Re 22:1 ¶ And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Joh 7:37 ¶ In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Trinity isn’t a good explanation of theFather, Son and Holy Spirit. Look at these references to the Holy Spirit. These are from the kjv.
Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, the Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus Christ, Spirit of the Lord , Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the living God, Spirit of our God, Spirit of your Father, holy Spirit of God, Spirit which is of God, Spirit of His Son, his Holy Spirit, My Spirit, His Spirit, the Lord is that Spirit, Spirit of grace, holy Spirit of promise, Spirit of adoption, Spirit of life in Christ, Spirit of life from God, the Spirit itself.
The way the Spirit is described in the scripture as being "of God" and "of His Son" and being "His Spirit", it doesn't sound like a third person. I don't think the Spirit is a third person. I think it is what God is. Just as you and I are human beings, the Father and Son are Holy Spirit.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit.
Thanks. This is also what the Lord showed me...where a husband and wife are 'one', and where Jesus prayed that the church would be 'one', just as he and the Father are one. That we being many are one body in Christ. It speaks of unity and perfect harmony. The harmonious 'tri-unity' was broken as Jesus went to the cross, as the Father forsook him, so that we could be grafted into union with God in Christ. It all starts to come together and make sense.
... I am *He* ; I am the first, I also am the last.
... and My right Hand hath spanned the heavens: ...
... and now the Lord *YHWH* , and His *Spirit* , hath sent *Me* .
Isai 48^12-13;16
Deuteronomy, 6:13 { The Father said worship only him }
Luke 4:8 { Jesus said worship only The Father }
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve.
Hebrews 1:6 { The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus }
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Matthew 28:17 { Apostles worship Jesus } Luke 24:52
And when they saw him, they worshiped him:
And they worshiped him.
Is the HOLY SPIRIT confused ? he is the author of all scripture Is Jesus confused he accepts worship ?
II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
Psalm 45:6 { The HS uses this statement to describe the Father }
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he {God} saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever : a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Did the Holy Spirit just say that the Father called Jesus God ?
John 20:28 { Did the HS just say Thomas called Jesus God ? }
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.{ o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article.
Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed. Ps 73:25-26
Does the Father correct Jesus or Thomas ? No, he calls Jesus God
Does the Holy Spirit correct anyone ? No, he authors all of it. I take it he agrees with it.
Isaiah 48:12 44:6 44:8
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also the last.
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first and I am the last: and beside me there is no God.
Is there a god beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any
The HS said the Father is the First and the Last.
The HS said the Father is the only God. HE KNOWS OF NO OTHER GODS...PERIOD
Revelation 21:6-7
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the
fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
The HS said the Father is the Alpha and the Omega.
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not ; I am the first and last :
I am he that liveth, and was .........dead......, and, behold, I am alive for evermore, A-men ; and have the keys of hell and of death
Did the Holy Spirit just say the First and the Last died and rose again ?
Does Jesus think he is GOD ?
Revelation 1:8 22:13,16 { The Father speaks Jesus speaks }
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Did the Holy Spirit just say Jesus is the Alpha and Omega ? the beginning and the end ? the First and the Last ?
John 8:58 10:30-36
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me ?
The Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man makest thyself God.
Did Jesus just say he is the great I AM ? he already said he is the First and the Last.
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Galatians 1:1 { The HG said the Father raised Jesus from dead } Thessalonians 1:10
John 2:19-21 { HS said Jesus raised himself from dead } Matthew 26:61
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Romans 8:11 { the Holy Spirit said he raised Jesus from the dead }
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Then to top things off the Holy Ghost sezs this
{ God raised Son from the dead }
Acts 17:31 2:3 Hebrews 13:20 Acts 3:26
1 Corinthians 15:16 Romans 10:9 Colossians 2:12
Is the Holy Spirit confused ?
John 1:1,2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit calls the Word God ?}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God
was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came
into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which
has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Did the the Holy Spirit just say the WORD is God ?
Did the the Holy Spirit just say the WORD created all ?
Did the the Holy Spirit just say the WORD became Human ?
Hebrews 1:10 { The Father admits the Son created all }
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.
Colossians 1:16-17 { Jesus created all things } John 1:3I
Whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. and for him: And he is before all things. and by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
NO!
Isaiah 42:5 44:22 { God created all things } Psalm 104:5
Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heaven alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Who laid the foundations of the earth,
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
NO!
Job 26:13 33:4 { Holy Spirit creates }
By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
( When has God dwelled with man ? )
Zechariah 2:10-11 14:9,10,11
Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I well dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.
II Corinthians 6:16 { God dwells in us }
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God.
Romans 8:9,10 { Christ dwells in us }
.....Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;
I Corinthians 6:19 { Holy Ghost dwells in us } John 14:17
What ? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own ?
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Mark 12:28
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning
together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel;
The Lord
our God
is one Lord:
Jesus the creator.....you the creation
In HIS service,
EXCELLENT and helpful comment. I'm looking for answers for a Muslim friend's questions about the trinity and this has helped.
Dr. Brown speaks of "one" (echad) as if it has some special meaning. If a you are learning to count in Hebrew the number one is "echad".
In order for us to understand that more than one thing makes up one we need to be informed as to who or what is to be made one.
Adam and Eve are to become one flesh. Because we are informed we know how one is applied here.
Same with items of the Temple being one, and so on.
At Deut 6:4 we have no such qualification. We are simply told that God is one. We are not told that God is a "compound unity" or anything similar.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.
... and the Word became flesh and dwelt (tabernacled) amongst us.
For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost. And these three are One.
11:00 i may recall wrong but i think michael heiser tea hes against the use of a majestic use of "us." Dr brown makes his point well enough, but i'd love to see this engaged (i wish it could happen)
Psalm 45:7-8:
7 Your throne, O God, stands forever; your royal scepter is a scepter for justice. 8 You love justice and hate wrongdoing; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellow kings.
God the Father begot the Son
Psalms 110:1-3
1 A Psalm of David. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand, while I make your enemies your footstool.” 2 The scepter of your might: the LORD extends your strong scepter from Zion. Have dominion over your enemies! 3Yours is princely power from the day of your birth. In holy splendor before the daystar, like dew I begot you.
The Word and the Spirit have been sent by God the Father
Isaiah 48:16
16 Come near to me and hear this! From the beginning I did not speak in secret; At the time it happens, I am there: “Now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his spirit.”
The Spirt of the Lord
Zechariah 6:8
8Then he cried out to me and said, “See, those who go forth to the land of the north provide rest for my spirit in the land of the north.”
Zechariah 1:17
17 Proclaim further: Thus says the LORD of hosts: My cities will again overflow with prosperity; the LORD will again comfort Zion, and will again choose Jerusalem.
Son says he has been sent by God the Father
Zechariah 2:13-15
13Now I wave my hand over them, and they become plunder for their own servants. Thus you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me. 14 Sing and rejoice, daughter Zion! Now, I am coming to dwell in your midst-oracle of the LORD. 15Many nations will bind themselves to the LORD on that day. They will be my people, and I will dwell in your midst. Then you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.
God the Father addresses God the Son to judge
Psalms 82:8: Arise, O God, judge the earth, for yours are all the nations.
God the Son says he overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah
Amos 1:11:
11 I overthrew you as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah; you were like a brand plucked from the fire, Yet you did not return to me- oracle of the LORD.
God the Father asks Elijah to stand on the Mountain when God the Son will pass by
1 Kings 19:11:
11 Then the LORD said: Go out and stand on the mountain before the LORD; the LORD will pass by.
God the Son says he will save Judah by God the Father
Hosea 1:6-7:
6 The LORD said to him: Give her the name “Not-Pitied,” for I will no longer feel pity for the house of Israel: rather, I will utterly abhor them. 7 Yet for the house of Judah I will feel pity; I will save them by the LORD, their God; but I will not save them by bow or sword, by warfare, by horses or horsemen.
Dr brown why subscriber got stuck on 105k
ah but like all experts miss, Jesus said he is not coming back, he said he or in another verse, the Father will send the Comforter and will speak of Jesus, will abide with us forever and will teach us all things. in 60 years of watch the emerging of preachers not one mentions this or even the word Comforter. 7 verses, 3 OT and 4 NT. The OT states the oppressors have no comforter and the oppressed have no Comforter. I can explain it if you wish?
can you tell me what vs. you are quoting? I would like to check them out.
Thank you!
yeshua said, since I am going and preparing a place for you,I WILL RETURN TO TAKE YOU WITH ME SO THAT WHERE I AM YOU MAY BE ALSO. read your bible golightly. JC
You believed that there is one God..but why when you teach you divide God into three.
@@Yce_Take what scripture that says God was devide into three person..
@@junedullantes4415 Acts 5:3-7 says Holy Spirit is God and is a person (you can't lie to a rock)
John 1:1-14 says "the word was with God and the word was God and the word became Flesh"
And that flesh was called "Jesus" There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
Together, that is 3 persons who are ALL God, but there is only 1 God.
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But I've always been confused by the claims of Trinitarians here.
Because when did Ananias and his wife Sapphira actually "lie" to the Holy Spirit at Acts 5?
I mean the lie or the deceptive act they did was specifically laid before the apostles. So following the logic of Trinitarians here, the apostles must be the Holy Spirit and therefore the apostles are really God!
And how can John say that Christ is the God he is supposedly "with" at the same time in Jn. 1:1b and 1:2 as Trinitarians traditionally render it in their Bible versions?
As that is a nonsensical flat contradiction. ....
@@H.T.2forever >But I've always been confused by the claims of Trinitarians here.
No, you haven't been 'confused', you simply want to dispute them.
>I mean the lie or the deceptive act they did was specifically laid before the apostles.
Not according to Peter:
Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Peter says Ananias lied to the Holy Ghost... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
>And how can John say that Christ is the God he is supposedly "with" at the same time in Jn. 1:1b and 1:2 as Trinitarians traditionally render it in their Bible versions?
As that is a nonsensical flat contradiction.
Your finite mind says it is a "contradiction".
There is no Trinitarian Bible versions. John wrote it, it is part of the bible; deal with it.
To help you "deal with it", here is another few verses: Philippians 2:5-11
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
When i read this phrase:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant,
I think of a King taking off his royal robes.
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I'm well aware of what Peter said, but what did he really mean by it is the point? Since scripture makes no mention of Ananias and Sapphira holding a conversation and speaking a verbal lie to the HS. But of them performing a deceptive act toward the apostles.
So it has to be some sort of figurative speech Peter is using. Least you believe the apostles are really the HS and therefore "God" too as I said ....
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No, the passage is flat out contradictory nonsense the way Trinitarians render it in their versions.
"God is somehow with God and both are the same one God???" That's a total absurdity.
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No, even Trinitarian Bibles and scholars admit there are possible non-Trinitarian renderings and interpretations to most all the passages they customarily base their doctrine on.
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I don't see how these passages help deal with anything other than to show that Christ pre-existed in the form of another spirit being in heaven like God the Father (Jn. 4:24). Before later giving up that form of existence for that of a human one when he came to earth.
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Yes Christ made himself of no reputation by divesting himself of that divine spirit form he had in heaven alongside the Father to take a human one.
So what of it?
As that doesn't make him God or equal to him. Or mean that he ever was ....
It is hard because the confession that Jesus is Lord, which is the other coin-side to the Trinity, is only given by opportunity granted of the Holy Spirit. So even with an issue like clarifying orthodox Christian belief in the Trinity, the issue of where man's decision and God's decision meet on salvation is itself raised.
No problem there at all if God created mankind with the freewill ability to chose to follow his will or RUN CONTRARY to it. This freewill ability is instantiated from Genesis to Revelation in Hebrew, Greek and English I know personally.
God is 1, emanating 2, that in turn corresponds to him in a triunal existence.
I agree with you in almost all you have said accept the Trinity...... but I still believe Jesus is The Image of the invisible God........ which means God in manifested form amen
Deuteronomy 6:13 {The Holy Spirit said to only worship the Father}
Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God}
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou
shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God}
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God}
But unto the Son he {God} saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Isaiah 7:14 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus God with us}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a
son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 {the Holy Spirit Calls Jesus GOD}
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hebrews 1:6 {The Father tells the angels to worship Jesus}
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52
And when they saw him, they worshiped him:
And they worshiped him.
John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. { o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou }
the definite article.
Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed.
Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD}
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all,
forever praised! Amen…NIV
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Revelation 1:1, 7, 8 22:13,16 {John states the Father is God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was
and which is to come, the Almighty.
{John states the Jesus claims to be God}
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last. I Jesus have sent
mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name
Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto
them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?
What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is, I AM}
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
This explains how he created all
Hebrews 1:10 {The Father tells us the SON created all}
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens
are the works of thine hands.
Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him.
And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John said Jesus created all}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing]
which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
In His Service,
How can Lord Jesus be God (in nature) if He will subject Himself to God in the end (1Cor.15:24-28)?
there is one God the Father of whom are all things, and Jesus said do you blaspheme me because I said I am the son of God? some would rather not believe Jesus own words in exchange for church tradition
there is only one God and His name is Jesus
John 14 : 24 " And the Word that you hear is not mine, but it belongs to the Father who sent me."
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Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe." Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
John 20:27-29
@KyleAroundTheWorld Lord means Yahweh in Hebrew
Moses is the one who spoke Deut 6:4 and you saying that Moses believed in a God that was one as a unity? You are confused please tell me if Moses saw a unity when He ask to see his glory,Moses saw One(Singular)divine being not a unity
This heresy was taken care of long ago. Simple logic shows that God is more than one person.
+yewwwtoob Simple logic of idolaters who can't think right.
+yewwwtoob
Logic shows that God does not HAVE a God, and Jesus does indeed HAVE a God!