K&N Cold Air Intake vs. Stock Air Clearer in a Air Temperature Test
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- This only a Test to show a difference in air intake temperature.
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Buddy, thank you for putting yourself out there. Its a very helpful comparison for me!
Exactly the type of test needed.
I really like your page, very grounded useful ideas and approaches to work we all consider or have done to our cars... Thank you for posting and enhancing our knowledge of the vehicles we drive and love to wrench on. I love my WJ, one of the best vehicles that I have ever owned or driven... even compared to my fancy German luxury performance (dream) car... Thank you for posting, we appreciate it...
The results are probably because there was so much airflow during highway driving that it was cooled more with the unrestricted cone. I would think that during idling, the results would skew more towards the stock air box, since the air inside the engine was not being replaced by driving speeds. Thanks for the test!
You are disappointed and me too, I was also expecting a big difference. Thanks for taking the time to do the test.
Don't cry I felt the same way too!I had several K&N air filters and after doing the research I felt as though the conventional air filter might be cooler but after seeing your video off to the K&N I go! Glad you did this video!!
I definitely expected the stock airbox to be much cooler. Good test and thank you for taking the time to perform it.
Thank you, Joel, for watching.
I tried this same outcome.Thanks for the video.
Thanks for taking the time to do this I have been looking to buy one myself.
No problem 👍
If you have a K&N air intake system with the air cone filter exposed make a heat shield plate to prevent it from breathing hot air from the engine area now...it will breath cooler air from the outside! I did that and it works better! 😊
Stock filter box gathers it's air from in front of the radiator. K&N so called cold air intake filter gathers it's air behind the radiator. Heat shield or not that's not better.
@@markcarpenter3600my car has a duct to the cai straight from the outside. I don't think ive ever installed one that visibly takes in engine air. Even when I had a mustang it drew in air from the fender area
Wow!!😵😵😵😱!!thank so much for the tips!im going to share this on other sites👍!
Great and informational video. Thanks man!
Thanks for taking the time to make this the cold airing take looks cooler to the young people
Your welcome
That is the best test of cold air I have seen so far. Great video. Thanks.
Don't let this vid discourage you though. The type of intake he had was meant to allow more air into the motor. Not actually decrease temp of air into motor
No difference found but sounds better? I’ll take it. Thank you for the upload sir
I purchased a 60.00 CAI from e bay for my Chrysler 300 c Hemi and I love the difference it made.
what difference?
I feel as though, Martin, a gutted factory box on most vehicles with possibly a modified ram piped into the box would be superior to a majority of "cai" on the market. And they'd offer a lot of protection to where your engine draws air by design. Great test you did. Your videos are always so practical.
Thank you, Max. A good up grand for the 99-04 Jeep Grand Cherokee would be the 02-04 JGC with the 4.7 HO air filter box. Then has a better-designed air filter box and the air resonator has better air flow.
thank you for the educated experiment
Love this. Solid science right there. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I haven't tried this but have heard there is little to no temperature or performance difference between stock and K&N or other similar air systems. I'm curious about comparisons between stock and under hood snorkel air intake systems. Good video. Always enjoy watching them.
I know this was an older video but still a Good test. i think the term cold air intake is the selling point. The after market air intakes do flow very well and k&n does a good job engineering them. i would love to see this test done again but with a 3rd type like the volants where they are like a mix of the k&n and factory. A better flowing tube and filter but with an improved air box and lower air intake tube
Yeah I had a Volant on a 97 Vette, that was a true cold air intake.
It was a good opportunity to clean that filter housing and tubing.
A lot of the heat picked up in the charge air comes from the intake tubing, between the filter and the throttle body, this is why the street race guys put ice in the intake header, to cool the charge air. You can reduce this heat transfer by wrapping the intake tube with heat wrap but the best results will come from a higher flowing intake like the K&N (yes, I know a lot of folks don't like K&N but you can use other brands) leading into an intercooler.
Why people do not like the K&N?
@@shonyacowans6096 because people think it doesnt do a great job of filtering out dust. And that the oil messes with the MAF. The MAF can be cleaned its very easy. And the filter actually does a decent job at filtering dust, like any other filter 🤷♂️
More air equal more power. If you're worried about heat put heat wrap around the housing the aftermarket one has to offer. You can even channel a housing or "tube" from under the bumper to offer more "cooling".
Thank you for your honesty. 👍
You forgot The heat soak that occurs in plastic I did the same with my car but therma heat shielded the whole intake and at highway speed of 60 plus I get 3 degrees higher than ambient temperature. But you are right CAI AFE GT momentum or stock in closed boxes are best if you get outside air not engine air , but yo still need more oxygen to get more power so more cold air is best.
Good Test !!!! Most commonly mistakes is that People think the Temperature measurements is from the Box / Filter. The Temperature measurements is not from there, so in reality, you can make it like a Foam Cooler and the Temp will only a few degrees differences.
I love your thumbnail. It looks like the Jeep is about to open it's jaws and eat you though, lol. :)
Most stock air intakes are cold air intakes. For example my Chevy Cobalt draws air from under the passenger side front quarter panel. I never really noticed it until someone pointed it out.
But it’s very restricted
Regardless of AIT, the one issue i have with K&N filters and the like, the filter requires a like coat of oil, that they sell themselves obviously, over time, that oil coats the components inside the MAF sensor and therefore requires a more periodic cleaning so the engine will run more efficiently versus the OEM paper air filter thats normally used.
Look, the after-market parts firms make a lot of money flogging these cold-air-intake products. They don't work but usually don't cause engine damage either. I'm glad that guys like this gentleman are exposing the racket. Money is hard to come by these days and not wasting it is important.
If you pull air from under the hood. It’s always going to be the same temp. It just allows more air to be pulled in.
If the intake air sensor is in the factory location, it will show the same temperature every time. The factory sensor is located on the aluminum intake header, which is heated by the exhaust manifold. The intake and exhaust are practically in contact with each other. If the sensor was relocated to the throttle body, it may show a greater difference in air temperature entering the throttle body, but it will get warmed to the same temperature as it travels through the hot intake manifold. This is an engine layout that will likely not produce cooler intake air at mixture regardless of the intake piping design. You may see more improvement if you rigged up some DEI heat shielding between the 2 headers, but it won’t stop heat sink from the head, because they are connected to the same metal surface. “Cold air” is false marketing, unless you put some dry ice in the air box.
Hi Martin! Q? Can a damaged rubber gasket on the airbox that sits on the throttle body cause a rich fuel mix if it's sucking air OR a rough idle???
Probably be a good idea to measure temperature of air outside front of car and compare to what the engine inlet air temp is.
Awesome you make a prediction then prove yourself wrong and are not too egotistical to admit being wrong. I thought the stock box was going to be cooler air and the K&N would be more air too. As most are saying, that K&N that was installed was not a cold air intake. Most Cold Air intakes go out of the engine bay. That one is a performance intake, much like a short ram which sole intention is just more air.
If you pull the tube out of the stock air box you can get more air into the engine and the air filter is protected. I pulled the 2 tubes out and I cut the air barrier out of my air box in my Grand Prix. Now I get more air and the air filter is protected. Also engines react differently to SRI, CAI, stock air boxes, and modified air boxes. No engine reacts the same way.
Thanks for coming. I'll have to give it a try. I've got another stock box sitting here that I'm willing to cut up.
Good test, although the real name is height flow air filter which is not supposed to give you colder air but better flow and it’s only recommended for turbo engines that have an Inter cooler .
Considering that the K&N intake allows more air with more pressure inside the engine than the stock... Will compensate in the temperature?..
Put some 2x4 pieces of wood at the front of your hood so it will not close. Tie hood down and see it temps are cooler. May be you just need some well placed vents to dissipate under hood heat.
What a great analysis video
Thank you
thanks, interesting test
Honesty‼️ This is a great video 😊
Thank you. I really appreciate that i'm glad you liked it and found it helpful.😊
Interesting test. It would have been interesting to see if the stock airbox that sits on the motor heat soaks more than the airaid pipe. I would like that type of Airaid pipe as I want to keep the stock airfilter housing as its used for offroad half of the time. The stock filter looks to better coping with water crossing. I never go deep enough to have the inlet under water but it does drain well. I like your through the bonnet CAI but worry about if I do get water over the bonnet, its going right in the motor. I have removed the rear bonnet seal which should work like vents in the bonnet to get temps down. I would like to try an Airaid pipe but heat wrap it and maybe heat wrap the filter housing. Then again Im probably overthinking it.
I been thinking of getting a K&N cold air intake or a K&N air filter for my jeep grand cherokee 4.0 i just dont know what route to take .. ?
Stock is always best keeps that classic feel only go aftermarket if you can't find stock parts or oem parts
Did you notice the battery temp went from 71 on the first test to 77 on the second? I think the ambient air temp was higher on the OEM box. Which would mean you proved your theory...
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
How is that thing considered a cold air intake? It looks like a short ram to me. My cold air traces all the way down behind the bumper.
I live in the south and use my truck on the farm and for hunting and such so I would rather go with the sealed intake box and the Airaid jr intake pipe . If I were to run that open cone filter it would be sucking in water and dirt without a doubt I have been in situations where water and mud were rolling on my hood more then one not playing or trying just situations I run into on the farm and hunting property .
i have toyota camry 2016 2.5 l .... im instoll air intake... very good.... engins is very good after 2 -3 hours.. im check air intake .. its very coold... temper... normal..... i like it air intake k&n
Nice work
Well your first mistake is clean out that factory airbox. Filter is gonna git dirty faster. you are correct about one thing. A sealed airbox is better then these open element “cold air intake” but not because of temperature. Its more to do with creating positive pressure ahead of the throttle plates. You want the pressure of the intake to exceed the engines atmospheric pressure thus creating a ram air effect. A plastic air box at operating temp will get hot too as plastic doesn’t really dissipate heat. If it were a true cold air intake then it would draw in air further away from the engine typically with a ram air scoop or filter being placed in the fenders where it’s colder air. I like a setup similar to mine it’s a mopar cold air intake that included a modified box that seals with a high flow filter. And it works with the factory scoops.
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Thanks for commenting. I just built a ram air system for this Jeep. Here is a link to the TH-cam video th-cam.com/video/45YNy7LvIHU/w-d-xo.html
martinbuilt well I’m glad you figured it out. How were the results, did you before and after dyno?
I believe the nomenclature of CAI is outdated. Recall once upon a time the air filter was in a can over the engine, with the carburetor underneath. It drew in hot engine air. But auto manufacturers have long since made it into a cold/ambient air setup. They just designed them with baffling to make the interior quiet (recall TV commercials touting that as a feature of the model). The CAI systems of today are still CAI relative to the old can, but also high flow in regards to the ductwork and filter itself.
Someone should insulate the intake and test again.
For my car I keep my fresh air duct that sucks in air from the outside and connect it with the little heat shield thru a hole so technically it’s using cold air
I wondered the same thing. I've had a cold air intake on my Dakota with a 4.7L for years. The only thing I've physically noticed from a cold air intake is MPG increase. Never any seat planting horsepower. My Ram with the 4.7L has the stock box and I'm on the fence with a CAI. I do have AIRRAM.COM's power wire which is supposed to manipulate the air temp.
You won't see much of an increase in most vehicles because the stock intake already flows more than enough. Basically the air filter is not a restriction. If you go with cams exhaust and tune you probably would benefit though
I actually noticed a substantial difference on my 2004 wj 4.7 ho. Pulls harder in the upper rev range. These intakes are proven through dyno testing to increase horsepower. Obviously 15 horspower isnt crazy as far as gains go, but every little bit counts.
This is why I never installed a "cold air" intake. I do want to get just a little more purr from my engine but not at the cost of significant heat increase. Unless I can rig something up with the stock air box with an aftermarket tube and filter.
The one I got from K&N just says High Performance intake system, not a cold air system. Only time you will have a cold air intake is in winter, late fall or early spring! It’s all about the volume of air entering the engine not cold air! Hell all those 70’s muscle cars air intake was right on top of the engine! The HOTTEST place under the hood!
The original air intakes are not designed to take in as much than the performance filter. The performance filters stop much more dust particles from entering the engine that actualy damage the engine over time. They stop about 2 parts per million dust from entering your engine and allows the engine to breathe better. These filters are used and tested on formula 1 racing cars. that says a lot to me.
Vent the hood or raise the back by the cowl and remove the weatherstrip at the cowl. That will do more good than a $300 CAI system. The only way to get cooler air in is to get the hot air out. Figure a way to keep the fuel in the rail cooler, that will help a lot more. It is a non return system so the fuel sits in the rails for quite a while and those rails get HOT! I replaced my standard 4.7 air intake system with one from an HO, has a better flowing resonator box, larger dia round tube vs oval and a larger air box. Modified the fuel rails so each side gets fed fuel vs getting fed on only one side, keeps the fuel cooler, and raised the back of my hood with a couple washers and removed the cowl seal. It did make a difference I could feel, the amount of heat coming out of the gap, which is hardly noticeable, is unbelievable.
What’s h.o.?
Hey Martin can I use grand Cherokee v8 motor on a xj?
very good vid, thanks
Thank you
Hi Martin. good video. Thanks. Answered one important question [AIR TEMP] but an equally important question remains and that is the difference in INTAKE ('INLET' here in Australia) AIR VOLUME between the two air filter element types [FLAT vs CONICAL]? It would require a dyno but interesting, eh? Ultimately it is determined by Throttle-body diameter/blade area etc but it would be cool to know as well. Anyway, how have you been mate?
I have been doing well, thank you, I have been working on a new Ram Air for the Grand Cherokee using a conical filter
Great test. However, that K&N is NOT a true cold air intake. The temperature should be around the same as the factory intake. Can you perform the same test with a true CAI that pulls air from the fender well?
Right side brake heat, in summerr, another imma route sime air intakes to the front.
Video starts at 2:19
It looks like a Short Ram Intake to me. Obviously the air is drawn from under the hood, so tecknically, there will be no diff in temps. But performance wise, there should be an improvement as the air flow to the filter is not as restrictive as it used to be compared to the boxed version air filter.
I agree. I'm working on building my own true cold air intake as we speak. I hope to post a video on it in a couple of weeks.
Great!, It involves piping the filter away from the engine for it suck in cold air as you may already figured it out. Just don't put it under, for it might suck water and end up with a broken engine.
It's interesting to see how you will solve it though. Please post a video.
I think your going to like it and it doesn't look like it came from Home Depot.
I look forward to it.
You should have let the car sit at idle with the stock intake like you did with the K&N, I'm willing to bet the temp would be cooler...
..Maybe consider re-routing the filter on the intake out of the engine bay. Even with the CAI your too close to the motor.
Have you had a chance to measure fuel economy with the stock air box and the Air Raid intake tube? Just purchased one for my 06 Dakota to see if it helps and to simplify the intake system. People seem to be on both sides of the fence so would appreciate a definitive answer.
I can't say I saw a noticeable increase in fuel mileage. I think if you were to get a MPG increase it would be marginal. Sorry if it isn't exactly definitive answer.
martinbuilt no problem, been having issues with the engine stalling in stop and go traffic, slow moving traffic when air flow isn’t constant or optimum so that’s why I went with the Intake tube. Just installed it today and so far no complaints or issues and engine seems to be breathing better.
After too many videos I think I will just get it cause its sounds COOL I guess
Perhaps the air temp. sensor should be located where the air enters at the forward most point. Then you may have a reading closer to outside air (66 F.).
That is what I did when I built this Ram Air th-cam.com/video/45YNy7LvIHU/w-d-xo.html
Do you happen to know where I can find the stock snorkel for the air filter. I see them on a few jeeps but my 2009 Jeep grand Cherokee didn’t come with one
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The k and n intake was an open intake. The closed ones get different readings
What was the temperature with the stock box at idle? I think there may be more difference when the vehicle is not moving, as hot air builds up in the engine bay. This may have more negative effect with the K&N than the stock box. When the car is moving air is constantly moving through the engine bay so I'm not surprised by your results.
Paul Turner
I don't actually recall if it was hotter at idle with the K&N. But I'm sure you're probably right and I wouldn't be surprised that it would be warmer temperatures with the K&N.
Yes, I did that on my 98 XJ with the cold air intake that I built.
Test should have been done not just cruising but stop and start at lights stop signs that would make a big difference.
You would have to put the engine under more of a load to see more of a difference. Road racing, Towing ect.
The reason you didn't see a difference in air temps is because, if I'm thinking right your air intake temp sensor is located right in the top of your intake manifold, although I don't think you'll see a positive anything with an open filter.
Didn't read all the comments but did you notice that your battery temp went up 6* on the second run? Just wondering if the ambient temperature went up also meaning the factory setup is actually cooler.
tzone
when I did the test there was virtually no difference in ambient temperature. and I took the vehicle on a good long cruise each time to let the underhood temperature equalize as much as possible
The battery temp sensor is on the BASE of the battery, so no external air will change the battery temperature so far. The temperature change on the battery is mostly because of a high charge rate.
Most of the people buy this air intakes systems just because they saw it on magazines or commercials but don't realize how this works. They just wanted to look cool " and forget about vehicles have computers, and this are set up for OEM parts only. I never heard any of my friends saying: I have to take my truck to a Dyno tech because my new intake. I wouldn't recommend this if you just wanted to show up. It's not gonna make big difference if you don't do it right.
Interesting thx
You should have used the tube and another piece to go on it so the air comming in went to your KandN
I’d like to see if there’s a difference in an actual cold air intake. That’s a short ram intake which tends to get hotter air. Intakes for my eclipse go down all the way by the wheel area under the hood which are true cold air intakes .
I ended up building a ram air Intake and using a 05 Mustang hoodscop and now the incomimg air temperatures are the same is ambient air temperature.
If the IAT is located where the older 4.7's is (directly to the intake manifold), then you wont really see much difference no matter what, as it is reading air after it has already passed through the throttle body and the upper intake manifold... Relocate the IAT sensor to the intake tube near the filter and then redo all this.... then you may see some different results.
Levi Maynard Why would that matter though? No one cares what the air temperature is before it enters the engine. Having colder air outside of the throttle body wont have any effect on your engine performance.
What matters is the air temperature once its inside the combustion chamber.
The video clearly is trying to test air intake temperature... You are trying to call me out for something the video is clearly doing? The creator of the video cares, that was the whole premise of the fucking video. The video is testing if the "cold air intake" has a lower temp than the stock airbox. Both of those pieces are (OBVIOUSLY) in front of the throttle body WAY before the combustion chamber... There is NO sensor to test the air temps in the combustion chamber, on ANY vehicle. The IAT (intake air temp sensor) is what the reading is coming from, not the combustion chamber. The IAT is mounted directly to the Intake manifold on these. The heat created by the engine running, ambient temps under the hood, spread throughout the thin plastic intake manifold and make the temps higher, so no matter what you do, you are getting hotter air readings than the air that is flowing through the "cold air intake" as well as the stock airbox. Using YOUR logic, having colder weather and colder air coming in has NO effect on engine performance..... Really? The entire premise of this video is flawed because the IAT is in a significantly hotter area than the air intakes.
Levi Maynard I agree.
What I was trying to say is that cold air intakes are useless. All stock intakes are cold air intakes technically. As long as your pulling air from outside of the engine bay (like all modern stock intakes do) then you have cold air intake.
Also, Im aware no car measures air temperature inside the combustion chamber. Im also not saying colder air wont impact performance. Im saying that you want colder air inside your engine. Having colder air outside of your engine will not help you as far as performance goes. Keeping that air cold until it gets into the engine is where real performance gains are seen.
I would like to know where you bought your hood at for your WJ. I've got a 2002 Overland that i think would look great on. I love that scoop !!!!
Here is a link where I got it. MMD Mustang Hood Scoop - Unpainted 71323-00 (05-09 GT, V6)
www.americanmuscle.com/mmd-unpainted-hoodscoop-0509.html
@@martinbuilt I don't recall seeing a video about the scoop itself. Did you make it a functional scoop from the beginning or only after you built the aluminum panel with the new air box ?? I probably should have posted this on that video but just thought about it after watching this one.
@@huf67 when I bought the hood scoop it was always in the intention of making it functional with the ram air system that I designed. It was unfunctional for less than one week. I do have some video of the hood scoop install and cutting the hood I just never posted it. I could put it together and post that video someday if you're interested.
@@martinbuilt I'm very much interested !!! I never thought about a scoop on my Jeep hood until I ran across your videos and saw how awesome it looks !!! It's not gaudy and over done but just the right amount. I like your Jeep because of the simplicity... Not a lot of flashy chrome bling !!! It's got a dark theme to it... Windows, paint, wheels. It's a great looking Jeep !!
@@huf67 thank you appreciate that. Yeah I actually went through 4 hood scoops before I found that one so it hasn't exactly been cheap for me I was able to sell the other three but of course not for what I paid for them. I feel this hood scoop is Scott the proper height and it conforms to the hood almost perfectly.
What if I use heat shield on the tube that connects to the throttle body and my cai filter will it make it cooler or...?
It would help
Without a heat shield you shouldn't install a cone... Install a cone, put a shield on it with some thin aluminum plate and then improve air field to the cone. If not, don't install it.
Well said. I did a metal plate ontop of my k&n air intake and yes it does make a better difference. Now it only breathes fresh air coming from the outside. 😊
Pods are for ricers and kids and granted back in the late 90's they did work well on the Supras etc. They wont anything good for modern cars if you want the same effect while maintaining your warranty etc then just replace the pipe going from the TB to the MAF Sensor. Its in there that the factory put intake mufflers and restrictive sound deadening materials. Replace it with 3' for V6 and 4" for the V8's. Only then will you notice that the fly by wire throttle lag
esponse time will be eliminated. Forget pods here in Australia we fit the OTR's now on real cars and then tune the car at the same time. its not unusual to see +30kw improvement at the flywheel. So, to recap POD filters = Clueless owner and a voided warranty at best. Always keep your OEM parts. for servicing and resale. Offer the other bits after the main sale has been finalized.
There are some supercars that actually run the air conditioner system into the air intake So to boost the horsepower obviously the colder the air the better So by routing the box to the coldest air outside the car would be best instead of across the radiator heat lol
Curious as to why you thought we needed to watch the switch in the air boxes? Still a good video and informative.
Even though the same temperature, I’d take the filter protection of a stock box. Especially on an off-road jeep. Better dust, water protection
So... The CAI in isolation vs the OEMI alone is of no significant value in terms of temperature. However, the air flow between them could be different. If the flow is significantly higher with the CAI then the net effect is cooler air through the CAI.
ok Forrest
That seemed like a CAI with a Short Ram Intake setup. There was no heat shield or anything to isolate engine bay air. CAI should run from closer to the bumper down below or atleast be setup with a heat shield. Most CAI can be used as Short Ram intakes btw...which is obviously what this seemed like.
By the way there is a heat shield for the K&N setup
I have an f150, '05. The stock air box is ALWAYS hotter than an airaid cold air and airaid jr. setup. Stock is significantly hotter with the stock system. Jr. Was next with the cold air the coldest.
I can’t believe you didn’t clean the dirt out of the oem air box.
Run small line from ac duct to air box equals cool air
I know the first hell cats had an AC line run into the intake that you could use to make horse power . I think it worked by running the ac to get the unit cold and then you turn the ac off and open the vent to the intake to save power and letting the cold air left in the unit flow into the intake . Say what you want but for a street legal factory car dodge looked at every angle to make horse power and they have truly lived up to their nick name The House of Muscle .
People don't expect a Huge improvement in performance without a tune.
They don’t require a tune no tune needed for most cold air intakes
Move your ait sensor from manifold to the air box
I just did that like a week ago. Thanks
I was curious what the temp change is i have a 93 and just moved mine yesterday whs it a big change? Enjoyed you video keep up the great work
Dustin Entwistle
It was a huge difference. It comes in at the same as ambient temperature. The one thing I did notice though once the vehicle is warmed up and you park it when you return to the vehicle ( let's say after an hour or less) the temperature is significantly higher than ambient. And stays above ambient temperature.
I've told people for decades.....cold air kits, if it DOESN'T route air from outside the engine compartment, isn't. All the kits that leave the filter open under the hood is NOT going to be any cooler, and likely will be warmer, especially if you put a metal duct on to the throttle body, since metal conducts heat so much better than rubber or plastic.
Your not seeing the volume of air that is coming in even if the air is the same temperature if you can get more volume that’s a big deal
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