I think it's worth mentioning that the effect he's describing is called compression. I think it's worth knowing this term if you're really getting into photography, you will hear/read about it plenty. This term refers to the distortion caused by the focal length, not file compression. Longer focal lengths compress the subject and background to make them appear closer, which also has the effect of flattening the subject, making them appear slightly wider than shorter focal lengths.
True although it wasn’t just talking about compression. He also highlighted 1. perspective distortion how the actual size, shape of the subject looks in the frame relative to the cameras distance or where in the frame they are, 2.) movement/parralax which is a product of compression where the speed of the background will differ due to compression, but also the low subject walking shots show faster moving feet on wide angle when close up.
Perfect example of this on a photo job yesterday. During summer on Sundays I work on a party cruise boat here in Sydney, Aus taking pics. When taking pics of people with the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the background, depending on where it is in relation to the boat I try to zoom in as much as possible given the space I have to work with to make it much more prominent in the frame. I actually do it on phones to, because a lot of people ask me to use their phone too. Try to at least set it to 2x to get the shot and then I always get the comments on how the shot looks different and better than the one they tried to take.
This is the video I was looking for like 7 years back! everyone on TH-cam was just confusing others with not providing the right info. Finally I have a much better understanding about the focal lengths like you showed in the video and difference between apsc and full frame.
Your videos are always very educational and informative. One can always get a lot of value by spending time watching them. Keep up the good work. Well done.
As a storyboarder I spend a lot of time testing different focal lengths to make my scenes and compositions work on 3d sets, with hand drawn characters added on top of the render. A video like this is awesome for me to understand with real life examples what I see simulated on the software. Focal length can completely change the mood and dynamic of a scene. Awesome video!!!
@@claudio6032 They dont use 75mm most of the times . They use according to the mood & story of the scene , if it is some action or thriller scene they would use some 24 or 35 most of the times . If its some kind of romantic drama or vibrant story or some calm they would use 75,85 or even 105 or 135 . In every movie theres Director of Photography who tells what lens to use for that scene. As of the movie Creator , Filmakers were maybe experimenting Fx3 and some anamorphic lens for fx3 . They used 42 mm as well in most of the shots . If 75 is the perfect focol length fot storytelling there would not be any lens company manufacturing wider lens & no filmakers buying lens except 75mm .
As someone who has been doing a lot of VFX post production only for sometime, I found this super useful. Especially the segment of examples around @5:30. Great breakdown of lens differences and use cases while in motion.
Bro I don’t really be on these tutorials like that anymore because people really push products but I really like the way you broke down the movement aspect of focal length and how that could create a different feeling in your videos Overall man, I’ve been following your channel for quite a long time and love the fact that you have shorts, Content and longform contact and you’re doing a great job
The world of «the less you know the more you think you know» is a wonderful place, filled with wonderful people with wonderful urges to tell other people what they think they know … not. Love videos like this, thanks for the examples, the lenses look sweet :)
Great video, well explained. I used to take photos and now I'm fascinated by film. But learning about photography gave me a foundation in film, and I'm grateful for that. I subscribe to your channel because what you do is great and, most importantly, well explained and shown. Regards.📽
Love it !!!! I have the same problem explaining things to people that do not really listen due to their own issues. People that really matter actually listen. Their choice. Listen, Don't listen.
I knew about how the background compresses on longer focal length lenses, but I never realized how dramatic it can be until I saw these comparisons Very cool!
great video!. for Narrative film making, closeups with a wider lens makes the viewer feel "in the action" up close and with the character whereas the longer lens makes the viewer feel as if there watching on from more of a distance. both are very useful in story telling.
love the head shot and the feet shot for movement; generally like dialling the focal length down for more intentional movement shot, like of the feet, while the head shot is on 75mm to feel more personal to the subject while distancing the background away from them. great video
I was a photographer before lucking into professional cinema and I believe it should be part of training for would be cinematographer to make fine art photographs or commercial portraits . When you have one frame to tell a story all of those things you mentioned above, characteristics of different focal lengths, distortion, foreground/background relationship you have to learn and employ to be successful. After a year or so I had a great visual vocabulary and when I was given a shot a cinema I succeeded because of that knowledge. I had a class where we had to make 50 portraits with one focal length in two days, staring at single frames of one focal length you get a lasting idea of what they all do differently and then can make educated choice when to use them
There are definitely some interesting storytelling opportunities associated with using lens outside of their "normal" use cases for sure. But in general, it is just more convenient to use a wider focal length for wide shots and a longer focal length for closeup shots. Like, you're not going to shoot a wide shot of a building or architecture with a 75mm lens, it requires being too far away from the building and makes getting the shot more difficult than it needs to be. 35mm is a unique and versatile focal length. But wider than that, other than for vlogging, I wouldn't shoot portraits with a lens wider than 35mm.
Awesome comparison bro , you really highlighted the telephoto distortion very well in these cases. Hopefully amateurs will see the difference and never say you could use a wider lens to get the same focal length or vice versa.
Yeah focal length is important to know. I do alot of painting and while I don't use professional cameras, I still have to decide stuff like that even though the camera is not moving. In other words it's helps me think like a cinematographer and director in setting up my shots.
Yes, I know in movies wide angle lenses are used for establishing shots, close-ups are often made with longer focal lengths. Obviously switching these around doesn't make any sense. But other than its practical use, is there a reason Hollywood uses lenses this way?
Nice description.....but I sill don't understand why you'd shoot anamorphic on a good full frame digital sensor (with LOTS of subsequent post crop if you did) ....or if your camera didn't have a larger (and more square) open gate option. On the 5RC for instance it has a large (bigger than 2:1) full frame sensor like the RED where you can achieve a 50mm anamorphic feel with a fast 25mm prime.
Hi Joris, can you give me advise on a lens to use for makeup videos? I've purchased the Sony FX30 to film and live stream. I'm confused on what lens I should get.
I'm looking at this anamorphic lens as a great talking head video that will enlarge my studio. Do you think I can get away with sharp videos if I were to stay still? I'd also love to use it for anamorphic photography. What are your thoughts?
I have a question. I have the Sirui venus 35 and 50mm, and I cannot buy the 75mm because of the WAF. I have the Lumix S5IIX, which uses an apc crop for some framrates. I believe apsc gives a 1.5X conversion, so my 50mm would become a 75mm. Would this give the same effect as using a 75mm? Because of the apsc crop I'd have to step a bit further back with the 50mm.
Great video, perspective isn't what many think about when they think of lens length ... This is what seperates a well filmed film form something which looks amateurish.
Question! What’s the difference between a regular fullframe lens vs anamorphic next to eachother? I’m a 50mm guy but a 50mm anamorphic is slightly wider due to the compression… right? I have no way to test myself, but if you can compare let’s say 35mm full frame regular lens with 35mm anamorphic? I’d be down :)
I'm very curious if one could buy a 50mm lens and use focal reducers and focal extenders to make shots comparable to 75mm and 25mm? I recently bought a 0.5x reducer, but unfortunately it only acts as an 0.765x reducer on my aps-c camera 😄 I should have known the crop factor would play a part in it.. But maybe it could be a cheap alternative for buying the full set?
Great video. I learned something I didn't before. What I'm interested to know how, if I need to at all consider is do I need different focal lengths for anamorphic vs spherical? Example being will a 35 in anamorphic fit the same scenario that I might use a 35 spherical for? Is it simply the change in aspect ratio or is there more. ASide from the other interesting looks that anamorphic provide.
Since there is a Fujifilm X-mount version of these I was wondering how they will behave on the APS-C sensor. Is it the same as with "normal" lenses so that with the 35mm Saturn I would have a 56 mm anamorphic lens on the APS-C sensor?
Joris to be honest I would have preferred more variety in your example shots, I didn't care about the guy that told you "these lenses are for that, those lenses are for that" as much, I came here to see how the lens characteristics are in different locations, you did that perfectly with your 35mm video :) In this video you used the majority of the time to debunk the guys remarks, wich could be a topic for another video, but not necessarily for a specific niche of lenses. But take that as constructive criticism, I still like your videos so thank you for that!
I bought the full set after watching this and other reviews... and returned them the next day. These lenses are extremely soft to the point of being unusable in most scenarios. The combination of a 2.9 minimum aperture and exceptionally long minimum focus distance makes it almost impossible to get the signature oval bokeh. The pincushion distortion means that you have to reduce resolution if you want straight lines in your images, which means you aren't getting full 4k in video, a dealbreaker for most modern scenarios . So the only reason to buy this lens is for the anamorphic flares. I don't think its worth it. If you want wide aspect ratio you are much better served buying a regular lens and cropping the top and bottom. You'll have much higher image quality.
Thank you for making this type of content. I am relatively new to video making, I am trying to learn as much as I can, and your videos explain with the perfect amount off knowledge and humor. I just L/S/B (Liked/Subscribed/ Belled). thanks again and keep it up.
I think it's worth mentioning that the effect he's describing is called compression. I think it's worth knowing this term if you're really getting into photography, you will hear/read about it plenty. This term refers to the distortion caused by the focal length, not file compression. Longer focal lengths compress the subject and background to make them appear closer, which also has the effect of flattening the subject, making them appear slightly wider than shorter focal lengths.
True although it wasn’t just talking about compression.
He also highlighted 1. perspective distortion how the actual size, shape of the subject looks in the frame relative to the cameras distance or where in the frame they are,
2.) movement/parralax which is a product of compression where the speed of the background will differ due to compression, but also the low subject walking shots show faster moving feet on wide angle when close up.
Perfect example of this on a photo job yesterday. During summer on Sundays I work on a party cruise boat here in Sydney, Aus taking pics.
When taking pics of people with the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the background, depending on where it is in relation to the boat I try to zoom in as much as possible given the space I have to work with to make it much more prominent in the frame.
I actually do it on phones to, because a lot of people ask me to use their phone too. Try to at least set it to 2x to get the shot and then I always get the comments on how the shot looks different and better than the one they tried to take.
This is the video I was looking for like 7 years back! everyone on TH-cam was just confusing others with not providing the right info. Finally I have a much better understanding about the focal lengths like you showed in the video and difference between apsc and full frame.
Your videos are always very educational and informative. One can always get a lot of value by spending time watching them. Keep up the good work. Well done.
As a storyboarder I spend a lot of time testing different focal lengths to make my scenes and compositions work on 3d sets, with hand drawn characters added on top of the render. A video like this is awesome for me to understand with real life examples what I see simulated on the software.
Focal length can completely change the mood and dynamic of a scene.
Awesome video!!!
I love the 75mm More in every shot. more cinematic
Thats what i felt too. Seems like they use this more in Movies and we are used to this look. In "The Creator" they used a 75mm most the time.
@@claudio6032 They dont use 75mm most of the times . They use according to the mood & story of the scene , if it is some action or thriller scene they would use some 24 or 35 most of the times . If its some kind of romantic drama or vibrant story or some calm they would use 75,85 or even 105 or 135 . In every movie theres Director of Photography who tells what lens to use for that scene. As of the movie Creator , Filmakers were maybe experimenting Fx3 and some anamorphic lens for fx3 . They used 42 mm as well in most of the shots . If 75 is the perfect focol length fot storytelling there would not be any lens company manufacturing wider lens & no filmakers buying lens except 75mm .
Wow!! This is so cool! Seeing the comparisons is fantastic to prove your point.
It is one of those rare cases where somebody is talking not only about angle, but deep more. Respect!
As someone who has been doing a lot of VFX post production only for sometime, I found this super useful. Especially the segment of examples around @5:30. Great breakdown of lens differences and use cases while in motion.
I’ve been creating for a long time. This is one of the best films I’ve seen on focal length in awhile.
Wow! It’s 200k ❤ 🎉
Congratulations Joris.
Have been watching u since u had 3k
All the very best mate
Bro I don’t really be on these tutorials like that anymore because people really push products but I really like the way you broke down the movement aspect of focal length and how that could create a different feeling in your videos
Overall man, I’ve been following your channel for quite a long time and love the fact that you have shorts, Content and longform contact and you’re doing a great job
The world of «the less you know the more you think you know» is a wonderful place, filled with wonderful people with wonderful urges to tell other people what they think they know … not. Love videos like this, thanks for the examples, the lenses look sweet :)
Dang man, that was a great demonstration of different focal lengths, awesome job, Thanks for Sharing!
Great video, well explained. I used to take photos and now I'm fascinated by film. But learning about photography gave me a foundation in film, and I'm grateful for that. I subscribe to your channel because what you do is great and, most importantly, well explained and shown. Regards.📽
Love it !!!! I have the same problem explaining things to people that do not really listen due to their own issues. People that really matter actually listen. Their choice. Listen, Don't listen.
I knew about how the background compresses on longer focal length lenses, but I never realized how dramatic it can be until I saw these comparisons
Very cool!
great video!. for Narrative film making, closeups with a wider lens makes the viewer feel "in the action" up close and with the character whereas the longer lens makes the viewer feel as if there watching on from more of a distance. both are very useful in story telling.
love the head shot and the feet shot for movement; generally like dialling the focal length down for more intentional movement shot, like of the feet, while the head shot is on 75mm to feel more personal to the subject while distancing the background away from them. great video
I was a photographer before lucking into professional cinema and I believe it should be part of training for would be cinematographer to make fine art photographs or commercial portraits . When you have one frame to tell a story all of those things you mentioned above, characteristics of different focal lengths, distortion, foreground/background relationship you have to learn and employ to be successful. After a year or so I had a great visual vocabulary and when I was given a shot a cinema I succeeded because of that knowledge. I had a class where we had to make 50 portraits with one focal length in two days, staring at single frames of one focal length you get a lasting idea of what they all do differently and then can make educated choice when to use them
Wonderful example with the walking shots! That's an instant subscribe from me :)
That was all well shot. Nicely done, in a few minutes I picked up a lot. Thanks.
Great reference shots for doing shot prep on future projects! Love seeing these kinds of tools put out by creators.
This review of the Sirui 75mm was exactly what I needed to hear !
Thank you for that very well composed rant haha!!
Great video and explanation!
Sadly sony and Canon don‘t offer open gate recording 😞 So I ordered a 50mm Saturn for my Lumix S5ii. Still hoping for a Firmware update for my Canon 🤞
2:34 That rant 🤣🤣Made my day
Excellent video; and especially the illustrations. Subscribed!📡🌠
This video is a masterpiece. I love your videos so much I can barely take it! 🤩🤩🤩
There are definitely some interesting storytelling opportunities associated with using lens outside of their "normal" use cases for sure. But in general, it is just more convenient to use a wider focal length for wide shots and a longer focal length for closeup shots. Like, you're not going to shoot a wide shot of a building or architecture with a 75mm lens, it requires being too far away from the building and makes getting the shot more difficult than it needs to be. 35mm is a unique and versatile focal length. But wider than that, other than for vlogging, I wouldn't shoot portraits with a lens wider than 35mm.
Really nice breakdown. One of the best comparisons I've seen. Thanks!
Awesome comparison bro , you really highlighted the telephoto distortion very well in these cases. Hopefully amateurs will see the difference and never say you could use a wider lens to get the same focal length or vice versa.
Excellent explanation on the focal lengths. I usually just delete hecklers comments and not engage, but your approach is more entertaining.
Yeah, kind of reminds me of how comedians tackle hecklers when doing stand up, use them as an example in their routine
Great comparison, bro!
It would be superb to compare an anamorphic lenses to normal one with the same focal length and the doubled.
Agreed. I'm watching this because I'm interested to know how, if I need to at all consider different focal lengths for anamorphic vs spherical.
@@achildofanarchy3299 interesting and sad fact: there is no such a comparison on the internet.
Thsnks to Joris we have at least these videos..
thanks so much for this! now I know which sirui focal length lens I'm going to purchase first. great video!
Great video with concrete example! Well done.
Can you make a video on the wider angle? Like 16 vs 20 vs 24.
Yeah focal length is important to know. I do alot of painting and while I don't use professional cameras, I still have to decide stuff like that even though the camera is not moving. In other words it's helps me think like a cinematographer and director in setting up my shots.
how i wish there was a 50mm involved here ... amazing review!
That's a really great video, thanks buddy!
Never thought about this in the same way. Very informative video.
Love this. Would be cool to have some breakdowns about why you personally choose certain focal lengths for different short
Yes, I know in movies wide angle lenses are used for establishing shots, close-ups are often made with longer focal lengths. Obviously switching these around doesn't make any sense. But other than its practical use, is there a reason Hollywood uses lenses this way?
Always so helpful - cheers, Joris...great video 🤘🙏
Great video…Thanks for putting in the work!
WOW! Very good comparison. Learned some new things
question , what nd filter ?
Please get the 50mm !!!! So curious to see the difference now! Great video!!!
Great explanation with perfect examples.
This was perfect! Thanks for sharing this knowledge my friend. You gained a subscriber.
Nice description.....but I sill don't understand why you'd shoot anamorphic on a good full frame digital sensor (with LOTS of subsequent post crop if you did) ....or if your camera didn't have a larger (and more square) open gate option. On the 5RC for instance it has a large (bigger than 2:1) full frame sensor like the RED where you can achieve a 50mm anamorphic feel with a fast 25mm prime.
You’re 💯% right! Thanks for all the good info. Cheers
Thanks a lot for the review.
Nice quality, really love it.
love that Ramones shirt!! i have one somewhere but i ended up shrinking it down too small years ago
Damnn!! Excellent Man!!
Such a great work.
Finally, I get it. Thanks for explaining so well.
This is a video I am storing on my favourite bas for sure.
I do photography. No filming. But man, your video helps me a lot. Thanks for this comparison. ❤❤❤
Hi Joris, can you give me advise on a lens to use for makeup videos? I've purchased the Sony FX30 to film and live stream. I'm confused on what lens I should get.
I'm looking at this anamorphic lens as a great talking head video that will enlarge my studio. Do you think I can get away with sharp videos if I were to stay still? I'd also love to use it for anamorphic photography. What are your thoughts?
Great video. Let be the comparison especially with how the background moves differently
I have a question. I have the Sirui venus 35 and 50mm, and I cannot buy the 75mm because of the WAF. I have the Lumix S5IIX, which uses an apc crop for some framrates. I believe apsc gives a 1.5X conversion, so my 50mm would become a 75mm. Would this give the same effect as using a 75mm? Because of the apsc crop I'd have to step a bit further back with the 50mm.
That video earned you a sub. Excellent exposition.
what a great explanation!!!! congratulations
Great video, perspective isn't what many think about when they think of lens length ... This is what seperates a well filmed film form something which looks amateurish.
I too enjoy the look of the 75 mm better. Do you think it's plausible to use this lens without a good stabilizer?
Super explanation. So easy to understand.
Excellent video. Instant subscribe.
Question! What’s the difference between a regular fullframe lens vs anamorphic next to eachother? I’m a 50mm guy but a 50mm anamorphic is slightly wider due to the compression… right?
I have no way to test myself, but if you can compare let’s say 35mm full frame regular lens with 35mm anamorphic? I’d be down :)
Some times you have to get rid of eye sores in the bg so longer focal length works better.
I really appreciated this video!
Excellent explanation!!
Thanks. Saturn 35mm + 100mm set good?
Great video 🎉
You're awesome for this. Thank you
wow this video really helps..I can only pick up one lense for beauty fashion shots, do u recommend the 35 or 75 for me? thank uu
Pure knowledge.. Tqvm!
Question about anamorphics, How does one get the full image without the vignetting that comes after a desqueeze?
I'm very curious if one could buy a 50mm lens and use focal reducers and focal extenders to make shots comparable to 75mm and 25mm?
I recently bought a 0.5x reducer, but unfortunately it only acts as an 0.765x reducer on my aps-c camera 😄 I should have known the crop factor would play a part in it.. But maybe it could be a cheap alternative for buying the full set?
do you know of a monitor that can de-squeeze the 1.6X? Absolutely love the look of these lenses.
I think Atomos Ninja V or Feelworld. You have to make little search. I'll do that when I will have money for anamorphic lens
Small HD monitors will
Excellent video learned alot there . Tempting me to get a 75mm
big focal length makes object looks and feels small, while small focal length give more action
so size doesn't matter ! very nicely explained..
Great video. I learned something I didn't before. What I'm interested to know how, if I need to at all consider is do I need different focal lengths for anamorphic vs spherical? Example being will a 35 in anamorphic fit the same scenario that I might use a 35 spherical for? Is it simply the change in aspect ratio or is there more. ASide from the other interesting looks that anamorphic provide.
Omg I was really looking someone like you to explain that . I wish I can call and get advice from you?
good lens video.
I love telephotos. My Sony fe 85mm is such a fun lens to use I just wish I could get closet with it
Great Presentation.
Nice demonstrations
Since there is a Fujifilm X-mount version of these I was wondering how they will behave on the APS-C sensor. Is it the same as with "normal" lenses so that with the 35mm Saturn I would have a 56 mm anamorphic lens on the APS-C sensor?
Joris to be honest I would have preferred more variety in your example shots, I didn't care about the guy that told you "these lenses are for that, those lenses are for that" as much, I came here to see how the lens characteristics are in different locations, you did that perfectly with your 35mm video :) In this video you used the majority of the time to debunk the guys remarks, wich could be a topic for another video, but not necessarily for a specific niche of lenses. But take that as constructive criticism, I still like your videos so thank you for that!
Noted! 💯🙏🏻
I bought the 50mm, thanks for the video ¡¡¡¡¡
With just a 50mm lens you completely defied the message of the video.
Or I am wrong and you already have other focal lengths
Neutral or blue flare? 🤔 I'm curious about the neutral flares 🙃
Neutral, L mount. I have a Lumix S5 II
I only have this anamorphic. I took risks but I am very happy. If you only have to buy one, buy the 50mm lens.
I love 35 & 50
Brilliant thank you ❤
This is one amazing video showing and teaching a lot but unfourtanely it doesn't help me decied wich one to buy 😂
I bought the full set after watching this and other reviews... and returned them the next day. These lenses are extremely soft to the point of being unusable in most scenarios. The combination of a 2.9 minimum aperture and exceptionally long minimum focus distance makes it almost impossible to get the signature oval bokeh. The pincushion distortion means that you have to reduce resolution if you want straight lines in your images, which means you aren't getting full 4k in video, a dealbreaker for most modern scenarios . So the only reason to buy this lens is for the anamorphic flares. I don't think its worth it. If you want wide aspect ratio you are much better served buying a regular lens and cropping the top and bottom. You'll have much higher image quality.
very good overview
Nice comparison, thanks!!! Now you make me spend 3 times what I had planned to spend..lol :)
Rantman we love^^
Cool! Thanks!
Thank you for making this type of content. I am relatively new to video making, I am trying to learn as much as I can, and your videos explain with the perfect amount off knowledge and humor. I just L/S/B (Liked/Subscribed/ Belled). thanks again and keep it up.