Hi John, so sorry for the tone of my last comments. A little too much Covid isolation. Enjoying your review of seat concepts products because I'm looking for something for my new bike. Cheers
No worries! I think you'l like the Seat Concepts seat, though there are other options out there if you need an even wider seat. Thanks for your continued support Bob.
I love you man! Always great videos. I've had my CRF with the Comfort XL since '19. I'm 5'10" and got into some tough situations with rocks and washouts this week in WV. Started thinking about lowering the bike. Bam! JTY has a video.
Great video. As always. Thinking to get this bike. Haven't seen any video for check valve clearance. just wondering if you can share how difficult it is. BTW future video about it would be awesome. Thanks
It's not hard at all, but can take a little while. Last check at 5400 miles everything was fine. I'll do a vid as soon as I have to pull my tank off again. Thanks for watching!
@@JohnTYoungso the regular thickness vs the low, is noticeable, correct? I like the idea of the low, just don’t want to sacrifice padding/comfort. Thank you!
Thanks for the video. I was wondering about the comfort level of the low seat? Is it still worth the investment over the regular height seat as far as comfort goes?
@@JohnTYoung Thanks for taking on the expense of both seats and giving feedback. I'm same height as you and have put a deposit down on a 22 450RL that I should pick up within a week. I knew I was going to get the comfort XL or the comfort low for the bike, but wasn't sure if the low would have the same comfort. I've owned CR250s where I basically ttip toe on it with both feet and I sat on the regular race 450 while at dealer and it was basically the same tip toe for both feet down.
I can't and won't ever comment on the low as I'm 6 ft tall, but I can say to all those reading the Seat Concepts XL Seat is absolutely the first upgrade anyone should do to this bike. If you only do a single upgrade, do the seat with the Seat Concepts XL.
Again nice comparison. Very helpful video..But it’s geting expensive? An other most have on the bike. You mentioned in the reckless 80 from mosko review the gap between the reckless and the seat. How those the low seat and the reckless 80 match? Is the seat not way to narrow? After you one’d the two seats- which one you have most on the bike?
The regular is a tiny more comfy just because it has more padding. I haven't noticed any difference with the Reckless bags. It's only 3/4 of an inch or there abouts.
Hi Patrick. I have no idea how you can, but I do know that you should! If you have a steady stream of fuel and engine oil that is. Thanks for watching!
@@JohnTYoung Nice, butt dont disappoint me with a review of hotair 🔥💨... it better be a ripper that goes the distance n doesn't gassout 💨 all the details, every crack n crevice outlined on the good the bad and the ugly. dont let this review slip cause if it stinks we wont be happy... something revealing, n cheeky butt dont be an arse 😅😜 lol Your bum has alot to live upto 🤔 I just hope it can handle the pressure 😅
There is nothing like seating high on a motorcycle and a lowering kit is a waste of money for my opinion. But sure everyone of us has different needs, have it well and use it in nice rides I wish...)
@@JohnTYoung Agreed. I loved my 2004 KTM 625 SXC and it had more torque than a New Holland T7. Umm, not really. Anyway, all the torque in that bike was for not when it was so heavy and tall. Funny John said the Honda is fairly tall. I thought the KTM's 39 inch seat height was "tall." Short story too long, John's right. If you are going to do any real off-road riding like we do in Colorado, you need your feet down. If all you do is a forest service road that's recently been smoothed out and you call that off-road, ...
I have same seat. So less foam, bit stiffer I’d assume, let me know. I’m same 5’9, 32 inseam. Feet same on ground. I’m more flat footed with my boots as opposed to runners. My bike sits a tad lower with more sag and a softer spring. I’m. Way lighter than you. Thanks for the review
Thanks D Wrb. I've thought about lowering 911 bike a touch more, but I really like all of my suspension travel. Maybe I'll change my mind next time I tip over again.
I’ve got a 450L haven’t done one mod to it yet love it just put 1000KM on it what would you recommend to be the must have mods the seat came to mind as the stock one is uncomfortable but I can live with it 😂
@@johnny7121 I truly appreciate your trust in me, but I don't know, nor have I heard, that Honda has moved the manufacture to somewhere else. I hope they haven't.
@@JohnTYoung That’s what I was afraid of, do you think you’ll just go back to the XL? I was also wondering what you do for oil changes when your out o a week long trip if you have to change it every 600 miles?
@@chris4853 No. It's not that bad. I like the Low well enough. As for oil, I've got an oil change video out there somewhere. I think if you watch one of the "Packing for a BDR" videos I explain my system. It works whether I''m on a BDR or in my driveway.
John T. Young that’s okay I have the stock seat got the bike in may love it so far I want the xl seat but there is no place up here in Canada that I can find that sells it lol
Hi John, so sorry for the tone of my last comments. A little too much Covid isolation. Enjoying your review of seat concepts products because I'm looking for something for my new bike. Cheers
No worries! I think you'l like the Seat Concepts seat, though there are other options out there if you need an even wider seat. Thanks for your continued support Bob.
Thanks heaps, John. you gave me all that I needed to know in a short video
You're very welcome!
I love you man! Always great videos. I've had my CRF with the Comfort XL since '19. I'm 5'10" and got into some tough situations with rocks and washouts this week in WV. Started thinking about lowering the bike. Bam! JTY has a video.
Thanks Greg!
Big brother is always watching.. even listening..to your thoughts
I'm so glad you did this comparison - I've been trying to decide which one to get.
I knew you wanted to know. 😃
Great video. As always. Thinking to get this bike. Haven't seen any video for check valve clearance. just wondering if you can share how difficult it is. BTW future video about it would be awesome. Thanks
It's not hard at all, but can take a little while. Last check at 5400 miles everything was fine. I'll do a vid as soon as I have to pull my tank off again. Thanks for watching!
John, thanks for the video. Are you happy with the comfort of the "low" seat. I've been thinking about getting one.
I am. It's definitely lower and you can feel it. It's not as squishy tho.
@@JohnTYoung If you were to have one only, which would you have ?
@@brockjohnson4116 I've had the Low on now for a few years so....
I really enjoy the seat comfort on my Rally.
It’s comfy and lasts forever!
Thanks for the video I'm 5'8" and am considering buying a CRF450L. Also I would probably get Soupy's lowering links and do something with the fork.
Sounds like a good plan!
looks a good investment
I've really enjoyed mine this past year.
Have you noticed a comfort difference on say a 8 hr ride ?
The regular thickness is more comfortable than the extra low thickness. But either one or light years ahead of the stocks seat.
@@JohnTYoungso the regular thickness vs the low, is noticeable, correct? I like the idea of the low, just don’t want to sacrifice padding/comfort. Thank you!
@@kellenoldham8072 It is noticeable, yes.
I ordered the low they only had the black though I wanted the red like yours but I wasn't willing to wait for it to come back in stock
Nice! I hope you like it.
Thanks for the video. I was wondering about the comfort level of the low seat? Is it still worth the investment over the regular height seat as far as comfort goes?
So far, yes. But I have not taken a LONG ride on it yet. End of this month is the AZBDR so we'll see. Thanks for watching.
An update on this?
@@JohnTYoung any updates on this seat?
@@ColinPopoviciu it is as tough and bulletproof as the regular one, but it is a bit harder.
@@JohnTYoung Thanks for taking on the expense of both seats and giving feedback. I'm same height as you and have put a deposit down on a 22 450RL that I should pick up within a week. I knew I was going to get the comfort XL or the comfort low for the bike, but wasn't sure if the low would have the same comfort. I've owned CR250s where I basically ttip toe on it with both feet and I sat on the regular race 450 while at dealer and it was basically the same tip toe for both feet down.
I can't and won't ever comment on the low as I'm 6 ft tall, but I can say to all those reading the Seat Concepts XL Seat is absolutely the first upgrade anyone should do to this bike. If you only do a single upgrade, do the seat with the Seat Concepts XL.
It was one of the very first things I did to my bike for sure. Thanks Colorado 450L.
I'm 6ft tall as well but with a 32 inch inseam like John. This bike makes me feel short!
I don’t think there is an “Comfort XL Low” offering from SC? All they have is the “Comfort Low”.
When you select your color and material options on the XL, look for the low option in the drop down.
John... you’re looking huge! Are you a fireman or something? You’d be able to throw that bike around no worries!
Ex, or something. LOL. Planning on a lot of rough roads and as badly as I ride I have to throw my bike around. :(
Again nice comparison. Very helpful video..But it’s geting expensive? An other most have on the bike.
You mentioned in the reckless 80 from mosko review the gap between the reckless and the seat. How those the low seat and the reckless 80 match? Is the seat not way to narrow? After you one’d the two seats- which one you have most on the bike?
The regular is a tiny more comfy just because it has more padding. I haven't noticed any difference with the Reckless bags. It's only 3/4 of an inch or there abouts.
@@JohnTYoung 😊 Thanks
RAD Bike!
Thank you!
Hey JY. Hope your all good out there.
Is the higher seat all cushion or same amount of cushion and just hollow and higher.
Have a great one.
Thanks, Billy. It's got a little less cushion and is a little less comfy.
Nice motorcycle and I like Honda, but how can I get the machine like that, am in Africa in Kenya. I love your job so much great work
Hi Patrick. I have no idea how you can, but I do know that you should! If you have a steady stream of fuel and engine oil that is. Thanks for watching!
Keen to hear what you think long term about the compromise in comfort for better hight... 🤔👍
My bum will give you report in a few weeks.
@@JohnTYoung Nice, butt dont disappoint me with a review of hotair 🔥💨... it better be a ripper that goes the distance n doesn't gassout 💨 all the details, every crack n crevice outlined on the good the bad and the ugly. dont let this review slip cause if it stinks we wont be happy... something revealing, n cheeky butt dont be an arse 😅😜 lol
Your bum has alot to live upto 🤔 I just hope it can handle the pressure 😅
@@jonoj7666 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There is nothing like seating high on a motorcycle and a lowering kit is a waste of money for my opinion. But sure everyone of us has different needs, have it well and use it in nice rides I wish...)
Being able to touch the ground, in my opinion, is a need. You have some great rides too!
@@JohnTYoung Agreed. I loved my 2004 KTM 625 SXC and it had more torque than a New Holland T7. Umm, not really. Anyway, all the torque in that bike was for not when it was so heavy and tall. Funny John said the Honda is fairly tall. I thought the KTM's 39 inch seat height was "tall." Short story too long, John's right. If you are going to do any real off-road riding like we do in Colorado, you need your feet down. If all you do is a forest service road that's recently been smoothed out and you call that off-road, ...
@@jaypuck6912 39 inches is not tall, it's stratospheric!
I have same seat. So less foam, bit stiffer I’d assume, let me know. I’m same 5’9, 32 inseam. Feet same on ground. I’m more flat footed with my boots as opposed to runners. My bike sits a tad lower with more sag and a softer spring. I’m. Way lighter than you. Thanks for the review
Way light than me. So you’re calling me fat?
John T. Young unless your 115 soaking wet. Then ya. Lol. Bike don’t even know I’m on it. 😜
John, where do you personally order the seats from? I’m down in Denver, got the 450L recently.
I got mine directly from Seat Concepts.
you can get another inch john by useing the ZETA ADJUSTABLE RSL LINKAGE LOWERING KIT......sry about the caps i copied and past it.....👍
Thanks D Wrb. I've thought about lowering 911 bike a touch more, but I really like all of my suspension travel. Maybe I'll change my mind next time I tip over again.
@@JohnTYoung yep i understand👍...bare in mind that its fully ajustable tho ...all the bast mate top vids as allways
@@SurRon_OffRoad True! It looks like a really good design and everything else Zeta I have is quality.
@@JohnTYoung yes zeta is deffo no1..👍👍
I’ve got a 450L haven’t done one mod to it yet love it just put 1000KM on it what would you recommend to be the must have mods the seat came to mind as the stock one is uncomfortable but I can live with it 😂
Vortex ECU is the one thing I wish all CRF450Ls came with stock.
Is the bike small for a 6'3 guy? Looking forward to getting one.
Well, it's big for a guy who's 5-9 so.......
Hi I have one on my wr250r and I'm happy but I'd like more gripnest anyway I see you bigger man are you training😁
LOL. I am. I was a firefighter and mountain guide and was in pretty good shape. Then I got a desk-ish job and got FAT. Trying to undo the damage.
Hi, which option do you like more, "Gripper" top or "Low slip" top?
Gripper!
Love your videos John! Does the new XL Low seat have the no slip top versus the gripper top on the old XL? If so, which do you prefer? Thanks!
The one I got has a slightly less grippy top than the original one, but I don't honestly notice much of a difference.
Did you have a hard time making the frame protectors fit? Thanks
Not at all. Trauma shears and some patiences is all it took.
@@JohnTYoung Thanks! Do you happen to know where you got them?
Sorry, I don't. I barely remember what I had for breakfast.
5ft 9in with a 32 inseam.......me too welp gotta subscribe now
Yes you do. LOL.
Have you sold the standard height seat?
I did.
Is the low one as comfortable as the tall one?
Not quite, but still way more comfy than the stock one.
Is it less comfortable than the regular ?
Just a little
I cant find the xl low only the comfort low
It's in the drop down lists.
where are these bikes made?
A quick internet search says Japan.
@@JohnTYoung some dealers state that the new models are made in taiwan, so that's why I was asking
@@johnny7121 Interesting. I had not heard that.
@@JohnTYoung I don't believe them, that's why I am asking
@@johnny7121 I truly appreciate your trust in me, but I don't know, nor have I heard, that Honda has moved the manufacture to somewhere else. I hope they haven't.
😎👌👍
LOL. :)
Is the XL low just as comfortable as the XL?
My butt says, "No". It's a little thinner in the padding department and after 200 miles you will notice it.
@@JohnTYoung
That’s what I was afraid of, do you think you’ll just go back to the XL?
I was also wondering what you do for oil changes when your out o a week long trip if you have to change it every 600 miles?
@@chris4853 No. It's not that bad. I like the Low well enough. As for oil, I've got an oil change video out there somewhere. I think if you watch one of the "Packing for a BDR" videos I explain my system. It works whether I''m on a BDR or in my driveway.
But is it as comfortable?
Not yet. Maybe my butt needs more time to break it in.
how tall are you? inseam?
509, 32". My favorite color is red and I'm a Virgo. Anything else?!?
Can you sell me the old seat?
Long long gone my friend.
Would you sell the old seat?
Already sold. I do have the original stock seat....
John T. Young that’s okay I have the stock seat got the bike in may love it so far I want the xl seat but there is no place up here in Canada that I can find that sells it lol