I had a 350 EXC before the 450L. The 450L ran fine stock and runs better with these mods. The 450L is much better on the street - smoother and 6th gear is much higher. And you get Honda reliability. If you want a race bike get something else. If you want a dual-sport that will go anywhere and last forever get the 450L.
I agree. My 350 EXC is buzzy on the road. But great off road. It does appear that the 450L is pretty jam packed under the seat. The exc is easier to work on.
@@davidsalo8397 oh yeah… considering I think it’s something like half of all emissions come from ships, motorcycles specifically dirt bikes are a fraction of a fraction. Government just likes to be a PITA because it’s what they do best.
@@2WheelsLivingI believe it's more than half come from container vessels, especially overseas ships. They burn through an insane amount of fuel/oil. Also the recent volcano eruptions dumped an insane amount at a single given moment too. Lol
A stock 2019+ 450x header will fit with the fmf slip on as it was designed for the 450x motor, which is the same motor in the RL. Same cam, piston...etc. But the “R”L is corked from the factory for street. I still say they should have called it a XL. Looking forward to future comparisons as I haven’t gotten to ride any of the competitors bikes
If you have to buy a header say the 450x header why not just buy a megabomb header is the stock x header cheaper or something because I’ve seen lots of guys use the x header fmf slip on combo
The tab is there because that pipe isn’t for the 450L. FMF did that intentionally. It’s meant for the 450R or X. Bend the tab back and forth until it breaks off.
I could watch these builds all day. Can't wait for the comparison but from my experience my fe501s is stock is just as good as my friends same set up as this.
I got a big kick out of measuring the OD of the 2 pipes when talking about flow characteristics because we all know that the exhaust flows on the outside of the pipe....no wait it's actually the inside of the pipe !
Taking the canester hoses different pip thermostat and cover changing the mapping it is all really about smog they put on from factory right !!!! I am buying a 2022 crf 450 rl Oct 14 th
I’ve had a KTM 690 Enduro R for my first dual sport, followed by a CRF250L Rally which I owned the 690 and the 250 at the same time. Sold the 690, traded the 250 for the 450RL. The 450 has plenty of everything except for fuel capacity and comfort. That being said. I am looking to get back to a 690/701 machine.
@@foggy3061Do you know if it is possible to set the TPS on the euro CRFL same way as Udall? My ECU plug looks different, no red tabs on the unused pins... Did you try it?
@@taxmandj are you Jdwhite from thumpertalk? 🤔 Yes, I have done this TPS reset on my euro 'L' fitted with the Vortex, no problem. Has it made any difference......non I've noticed but at least I know it is set correctly now. 👍
@@foggy3061 That´s me yes :). Thanks for getting this cleared. My bike feels fine so really no need to mess with it. It´s just one of those things we see on the internet and wonder if it makes a difference or not
@@taxmandj ah, hello again! 👍 It may well have done something but so far I haven't noticed anything! I can send you the photos over on thumpertalk if you want?
Hi Guys. Cool bike. What kind of DB killer you have in your FMF? I was looking for DB killer, and I could not get. Please could you tel me, where can I order it?
None of u guys ever put a new Exhaust copper gasket on !!!! My new 2022 450 RL ! Pipe just came in also no gasket so I went to Honda and bought one I will never. Put a pipe on with out a new one !! Need to order the new ECU !! Putting on all things before I even start the Bike!!!
I’ve had a bike backfire after removing the screen and “non flamable filter oil” caught on fire. Luckily I was riding in sand and was able to get enough sand into the airbox to put the fire out lol 😆
@@Recedinghairline180 i think it was a preoiled filter that said non flammable ready to use. What does the filter have to say different then that? Haha I assumed I was good at that point. Cause I had heard that happening before so I thought I was good. Lol
@@jimsnider3971 it makes thw bike breath better and it does make more power without the screen. Although if your an average weekend rider I wouldn't take the risk just in case. In order for it to backfire bad enough to cause fire you would have to be running extremely lean and most likely in a motocross situation. Full throttle to no throttle in a split second to cause a backfire. They have fireproof oil and filters, twin air makes the filters and I think motorek has fire proof oil. There's a bunch of brands that are fireproof though just gotta look em up. I left mine in on my 450l for piece of mind. Its not a race bike, it's a trail bike, power isn't everything on a trail bike and I'm not trying to risk a fire and be left stranded lol. Very low chance of it happening though, like extremely low, especially with fireproof stuff. But the gains are their if you want them bad enough
Love this, been looking at the Honda but also the GPX FSE300 or 450 for 1/2 the price. Would love for you to do a review on one of the GPX bikes. See how they stack up
You said reset your tps what’s where you talking about I was going to get one next year and add these mods will I have to do anything else after adding these mods or can I go straight riding afterwards?
Really interested to see how this build goes. I’ve been wanting to get one of these since seeing Cole seeley’s build. It would be cool to have a moto/super moto setup, just can’t swing it financially right now.
What was the weight difference between the fmf and stock header? I hope you do more videos on the 450rl. Mine gets delivered in April and would like more content on build tips for it to make mine the best it can be
The fmf header is probably alot heavier. The diameter of the pipe is bigger and it's got that massive beehive in the middle. Would definitely be nice to know the weight
I can tell you personally comparing the 450Rl to a 450R is an unfair comparison. Only thing that comes close is when you pop a stage two kit on the 450Rl, but even then the 450R has a higher compression and I believe more horsepower still, so the 450R hits harder.
This is why I always tell people it's easier and cheaper to just buy an R/RX model and add a headlight, taillight, turn signals and license plate bracket if you want all that power.
@StrykerV8 Once I get mine it is going to see more highway miles than I would prefer, but I cant change that. Many RL 😮chassis differences are said to really add up when cruising at 70 and loaded. Longer swing arm(>stabilty), filled with foam for dampening, vibration and noise dampening engine covers, extra piston ring and reduced compression, wide ratio 6speed tranny are examples of why I will get the RL version.
Why is everyone changing the ECU? is it bad stock? I heard flame outs… seems strange how you have to spend over $10,000 and then upgrade another couple thousand no?
I think I'll just buy a TE 250i and make it street legal and add a 3 gallon tank. More HP than the Honda. MUCH lighter than the Honda. 2- stroke engine is less maintenance intensive/cost.
The exc's require the same mods for them to run correctly, too. EPA applies to all dual sports, except Beta. Import of Beta bikes is limited, allowing them an exemption for EPA standards.
it's such a shame that a $10,000 bike with that 450 motor comes stock with 22 horsepower! Watching the dyno test it looks like the stock ECU limits the power to 22.0 like a built in limiter. So after spending 10 grand I've gotta spend another how much to get what I should have gotten from Honda? That's ridiculous!
That misconception was clarified a few months after Honda first released the performance information on their new (at the time) 2019 crf450L. As soon as l first read that the "new"
Email me questions-- But 2.15 is std for all big bikes and all you need-- some racers would run in SX to get more contact on the ground-- You dont need it--
Just gotta say. For costing over $10k, if you can find one, Honda really screwed people over with this bike. It'll cost you over $2000 for an ECU and full exhaust just to fix the crap performance of this bike, constantly flame outs when lugged. At that point might as well go with a KTM for less money.
I sort of agree... Truth is though mods are an addiction and after the GET and end cap for my exhaust, Rekluse, Scotts damper, Seat Concepts seat, Acerbis tank, Tubliss and other stuff I dunno about less money lol. You can't put a price on happiness and a well set up bike though so I am happy for sure.
@@jasminebebe3455 seats, tank, tubliss, clutch are all things that make riding more enjoyable. The CRF450L needs an ECU and exhaust just to be able to ride tight, technical, lugging terrain without flame out. Which, in my mind, is a repair. Cause that shit is broken fresh off the showroom floor. Something two of my friends have dealt with on their 450L's, while my bone stock 350 EXCF hasn't flamed out once.
@@riccochet704 stop comparing apples to oranges man. The the Crf450L was built exactly as intended. Yes I agree the off idle fueling is choppy and flames but easily fixed with a $250 dollar tuner, have one myself, the JD tuner is not perfect but less invasive and I can easily crawl in the tight single-track no issues. Not sure why people go buying a "dualsport" and expect a race bike.....the L and RL is a stellar bike, lower compression piston, different cam and tune as intended. No not as high performance but will easily out last any others in reliability and longevity and ride like a champ down the road . Also have a 500exc in the garage, yes its a monster as expected BUT is is also choked up and flames out bad in stock form. Mods also needed to correct that. Close $2k to get all the potential out of it .
I am getting rid of my 350 exc and going with a Honda 450L. The 350 exc really isn't a dual sport. It's horrible on the pavement. Plus, I'm tired of all the nit picky problems that exc's have.
Yee 2,000 to 2,500 us for exhaust ecu and air box mods?? No thanks for 10,000 msrp I'd spend my money on a beta 390 rrs 13,000 out the door and 3 times the bike
That’s just the way the industry is moving really. Nicely engineered, just extra crap on it for emissions. The xr650l’s have been like that forever. The racing bikes are good to go from the factory..
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I love that they put the R in there to let people know they aren’t like the 250L. This is a dirtbike that happens to be streetlegal.
I had a 350 EXC before the 450L. The 450L ran fine stock and runs better with these mods. The 450L is much better on the street - smoother and 6th gear is much higher. And you get Honda reliability. If you want a race bike get something else. If you want a dual-sport that will go anywhere and last forever get the 450L.
I agree. My 350 EXC is buzzy on the road. But great off road. It does appear that the 450L is pretty jam packed under the seat. The exc is easier to work on.
The extra money is what hurts. EPA just cost us money and it doesn't help the environment. RPM Act!!!!!!! Sign it!!!!!!!
Yes. I'm willing to bet motorbikes contribute a tiny fraction of our global carbon load.
@@davidsalo8397 oh yeah… considering I think it’s something like half of all emissions come from ships, motorcycles specifically dirt bikes are a fraction of a fraction. Government just likes to be a PITA because it’s what they do best.
@@2WheelsLivingI believe it's more than half come from container vessels, especially overseas ships. They burn through an insane amount of fuel/oil. Also the recent volcano eruptions dumped an insane amount at a single given moment too. Lol
A stock 2019+ 450x header will fit with the fmf slip on as it was designed for the 450x motor, which is the same motor in the RL. Same cam, piston...etc. But the “R”L is corked from the factory for street. I still say they should have called it a XL. Looking forward to future comparisons as I haven’t gotten to ride any of the competitors bikes
so can you just have a yoshimura dual exhaust in 450 L (2020)
If you have to buy a header say the 450x header why not just buy a megabomb header is the stock x header cheaper or something because I’ve seen lots of guys use the x header fmf slip on combo
@mikebishop6095 the X header is much cheaper 👍
Patiently waiting for another video of this bike....
You guys put the black rubber sleeve on backwards. The lip is supposed to be on the other end, where the wiring harness clips in.
The tab is there because that pipe isn’t for the 450L. FMF did that intentionally. It’s meant for the 450R or X. Bend the tab back and forth until it breaks off.
I like your Bob Barker mic.
“Kept in Mexico” mine will be too ;)
I could watch these builds all day. Can't wait for the comparison but from my experience my fe501s is stock is just as good as my friends same set up as this.
You have to use the graphite ring out of the stock muffler to use the FMF on the stock header.
You don't have to take the back screws out, they are for the airfilter housing.
I got a big kick out of measuring the OD of the 2 pipes when talking about flow characteristics because we all know that the exhaust flows on the outside of the pipe....no wait it's actually the inside of the pipe !
The wll thickness can be assumed to be about the same, within mm for sure
Did you leave the airbox lid off, or just remove the screen?
I am more than happy with my EXCF 500... GET ECU and a Pro Moto billet end cap has that thing running strong!
I’m thinking I might need an RL as my next bike. This thing is beautiful.
Taking the canester hoses different pip thermostat and cover changing the mapping it is all really about smog they put on from factory right !!!! I am buying a 2022 crf 450 rl Oct 14 th
Im dying to see where you compare the power between 450&500 exc.
EXCF 500 with GET ECU has gobs of power.
its insane how many points this bike has to reduce noises and emissions and, the biggest thing, power :O
What is the benefit of removing the backfire screen?
I liked how it sounds with the FMFpipe even with the db killer on.
I’ve had a KTM 690 Enduro R for my first dual sport, followed by a CRF250L Rally which I owned the 690 and the 250 at the same time. Sold the 690, traded the 250 for the 450RL. The 450 has plenty of everything except for fuel capacity and comfort. That being said. I am looking to get back to a 690/701 machine.
seat concepts makes a great seat and u can get a bigger tank
@@Vicscarm1 my 690 has a seat concepts. It was pretty good.
Looks like a fun build. There is so much you can do to the L to wake it up.
Guys u have to pay to play. Thanks for the content. Really love these bikes
Looks awesome! I'm excited to see it when it's done.
would like to see some dyno numbers.
Colton Udall with champion adventures has a video on how to set the TPS with the vortex for all you 450l lovers
Yep, here:
th-cam.com/video/HTp0ouECiCU/w-d-xo.html
TPS reset from 8.30 on.
@@foggy3061Do you know if it is possible to set the TPS on the euro CRFL same way as Udall? My ECU plug looks different, no red tabs on the unused pins... Did you try it?
@@taxmandj are you Jdwhite from thumpertalk? 🤔 Yes, I have done this TPS reset on my euro 'L' fitted with the Vortex, no problem. Has it made any difference......non I've noticed but at least I know it is set correctly now. 👍
@@foggy3061 That´s me yes :). Thanks for getting this cleared. My bike feels fine so really no need to mess with it. It´s just one of those things we see on the internet and wonder if it makes a difference or not
@@taxmandj ah, hello again! 👍 It may well have done something but so far I haven't noticed anything! I can send you the photos over on thumpertalk if you want?
Very Nice Motor Honda CRF 450L
I enjoy the tech videos on this channel, especially the KX500 build, and I've never owned a motorcycle lol
G8 vid
What was reason for taking cage off air filter?
Cheers
Increase air flow
@@dirtbiketv1 so vortex will adjust automatically?
Mexico as the car guys say😂
I did them to my ktm 500 and it rips now
Hi Guys. Cool bike. What kind of DB killer you have in your FMF? I was looking for DB killer, and I could not get. Please could you tel me, where can I order it?
Can’t wait to buy my 450 🤩
None of u guys ever put a new Exhaust copper gasket on !!!! My new 2022 450 RL ! Pipe just came in also no gasket so I went to Honda and bought one I will never. Put a pipe on with out a new one !! Need to order the new ECU !! Putting on all things before I even start the Bike!!!
Awesome video. Those mods really seem to make a difference!
How can you be so sure, you just took his word for it?
Try a stage two kit. Turns it into a rocket!
Aww yeah whats in the 2 stage ?
I’ve had a bike backfire after removing the screen and “non flamable filter oil” caught on fire. Luckily I was riding in sand and was able to get enough sand into the airbox to put the fire out lol 😆
you need the proper filter too lol
@@Recedinghairline180 i think it was a preoiled filter that said non flammable ready to use. What does the filter have to say different then that? Haha I assumed I was good at that point. Cause I had heard that happening before so I thought I was good. Lol
What does the backfire screen do? Protect the air filter from getting torn, and then inhaling dirt?
Protects the filter from catching fire in case of a backfire flame coming back into the airbox.
@@-PlayMaker- Is the reward that much more than the risk of a fire? I honestly have no idea!
@@jimsnider3971 it makes thw bike breath better and it does make more power without the screen. Although if your an average weekend rider I wouldn't take the risk just in case.
In order for it to backfire bad enough to cause fire you would have to be running extremely lean and most likely in a motocross situation. Full throttle to no throttle in a split second to cause a backfire.
They have fireproof oil and filters, twin air makes the filters and I think motorek has fire proof oil. There's a bunch of brands that are fireproof though just gotta look em up.
I left mine in on my 450l for piece of mind. Its not a race bike, it's a trail bike, power isn't everything on a trail bike and I'm not trying to risk a fire and be left stranded lol.
Very low chance of it happening though, like extremely low, especially with fireproof stuff. But the gains are their if you want them bad enough
@@-PlayMaker- Thanks for the great explanation!!!
@@jimsnider3971 yessir
The click of 700 bucks lol
700 bucks for 7 more hp?
@@johnnymartinez733 smoother throttle control. 1st and 2nd are choppy and makes slow stuff more challenging than it needs to be.
After these mods you’re in KTM territory. It’s just not making sense to me.
Love this, been looking at the Honda but also the GPX FSE300 or 450 for 1/2 the price. Would love for you to do a review on one of the GPX bikes. See how they stack up
nope
You said reset your tps what’s where you talking about I was going to get one next year and add these mods will I have to do anything else after adding these mods or can I go straight riding afterwards?
Really interested to see how this build goes. I’ve been wanting to get one of these since seeing Cole seeley’s build. It would be cool to have a moto/super moto setup, just can’t swing it financially right now.
J Owens , can you afford it now? We have Build Back Better, now.
What was the weight difference between the fmf and stock header? I hope you do more videos on the 450rl. Mine gets delivered in April and would like more content on build tips for it to make mine the best it can be
2:16
Header not tail pipe
The fmf header is probably alot heavier. The diameter of the pipe is bigger and it's got that massive beehive in the middle. Would definitely be nice to know the weight
@@aoFlipMan wtf dude watch the video. Derp.
@@joenobody2580 again. Header NOT tailpipe. Derp.
Great help thank you.
What are your settings on the ECU, and will you be changing the rear sprocket size?
stock set up setting now-- we will see about the gearing
Do you any plans of doing any Beta's in the near future.
no
Some real pesky stuff right there . Good old Japan.
So what gains did you get from the stage one would this all work with the 2022 crf450x
So the Vortex isnt plug and play?? U have to have someone set the TPS??
it works fine without setting the TPS but nice if you can--
If I need for a quiet ride and fuel economy, which mode should I choose on the Vortex ? (i think mode 1 lo 1 mid 1 Hi 1 ?)
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I want to know the price of the ECU. In Thailand I do not sell for CRF450RL.
$750 range
alot more addon are needed to compare with the fe501 but yes its possible.
From 1-10 how much does it feel like an actual 450r ?
I can tell you personally comparing the 450Rl to a 450R is an unfair comparison. Only thing that comes close is when you pop a stage two kit on the 450Rl, but even then the 450R has a higher compression and I believe more horsepower still, so the 450R hits harder.
7 ish
This is why I always tell people it's easier and cheaper to just buy an R/RX model and add a headlight, taillight, turn signals and license plate bracket if you want all that power.
@@StrykerV8 Not legal everywhere sadly. Sure wish I could do that in BC Canada.
@StrykerV8 Once I get mine it is going to see more highway miles than I would prefer, but I cant change that. Many RL 😮chassis differences are said to really add up when cruising at 70 and loaded. Longer swing arm(>stabilty), filled with foam for dampening, vibration and noise dampening engine covers, extra piston ring and reduced compression, wide ratio 6speed tranny are examples of why I will get the RL version.
Why is everyone changing the ECU? is it bad stock? I heard flame outs… seems strange how you have to spend over $10,000 and then upgrade another couple thousand no?
EPA standards require a very lean running bike. Ridiculous, I agree. The replacement ECU also improves the spark timing and cuts out the rev limiter.
The price point is about 3000 over
What's the settings on the vortec ECU?
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What cam does everyone like ?
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Be careful of this mounts they drop onto engine old mate proceeds to drop them on the engine 🤦🏻🤣
is the 450RL (in stock form) a good beginner bike?
Depends on what use. Offroad...no.
the new vortex you don't set the TPS....
Ya it does help-- there is no way for it know for sure its on zero etc--
What website did you guys buy all this from?
I think I'll just buy a TE 250i and make it street legal and add a 3 gallon tank. More HP than the Honda. MUCH lighter than the Honda. 2- stroke engine is less maintenance intensive/cost.
I love my street legal 300 XC
I guess the rl guys are going 20000 miles and the valves are in spec and they come stock with titanium valves
Sweet but you can probably buy a ktm 500 for less with upgrades you have
The exc's require the same mods for them to run correctly, too. EPA applies to all dual sports, except Beta. Import of Beta bikes is limited, allowing them an exemption for EPA standards.
I was curious if you have ridden any of the Chinese models such as GPX or SSR.
No and dont plan on it
Absolute garbage brother.... Gotta pay to play. Buy nice or buy twice!
"Jay the motorcycle man." Bronze Statue being built somewhere...
What slip on
Metric my dudes only way 😂
“Mexico” lol
Why don't I see any dual sport on the street...?
Kinda depends where you live.
it's such a shame that a $10,000 bike with that 450 motor comes stock with 22 horsepower! Watching the dyno test it looks like the stock ECU limits the power to 22.0 like a built in limiter. So after spending 10 grand I've gotta spend another how much to get what I should have gotten from Honda? That's ridiculous!
LOL My KTM 300 XC two stroke has over twice as much power than that bike and weighs like 220 pounds.
That misconception was clarified a few months after Honda first released the performance information on their new (at the time) 2019 crf450L. As soon as l first read that the "new"
They have 38 stock like my 250f but lot more torque
What screw settings did you use on the Vortex?
Stock settings
It is very Nice to my money to buy motor Honda CRF 450L it is meracle to God Bless to me is very poor man I am
Please !
2.15 or 2.5 inch rim ? Why ?
Email me questions-- But 2.15 is std for all big bikes and all you need-- some racers would run in SX to get more contact on the ground-- You dont need it--
@@dirtbiketv1 Thank you Jay.
Just gotta say. For costing over $10k, if you can find one, Honda really screwed people over with this bike. It'll cost you over $2000 for an ECU and full exhaust just to fix the crap performance of this bike, constantly flame outs when lugged. At that point might as well go with a KTM for less money.
I sort of agree... Truth is though mods are an addiction and after the GET and end cap for my exhaust, Rekluse, Scotts damper, Seat Concepts seat, Acerbis tank, Tubliss and other stuff I dunno about less money lol. You can't put a price on happiness and a well set up bike though so I am happy for sure.
@@jasminebebe3455 seats, tank, tubliss, clutch are all things that make riding more enjoyable. The CRF450L needs an ECU and exhaust just to be able to ride tight, technical, lugging terrain without flame out. Which, in my mind, is a repair. Cause that shit is broken fresh off the showroom floor. Something two of my friends have dealt with on their 450L's, while my bone stock 350 EXCF hasn't flamed out once.
@@riccochet704 The GET ECU and an end cap aren't needed for the KTM but they sure bring out the animal in it!
@@riccochet704 stop comparing apples to oranges man. The the Crf450L was built exactly as intended. Yes I agree the off idle fueling is choppy and flames but easily fixed with a $250 dollar tuner, have one myself, the JD tuner is not perfect but less invasive and I can easily crawl in the tight single-track no issues. Not sure why people go buying a "dualsport" and expect a race bike.....the L and RL is a stellar bike, lower compression piston, different cam and tune as intended. No not as high performance but will easily out last any others in reliability and longevity and ride like a champ down the road . Also have a 500exc in the garage, yes its a monster as expected BUT is is also choked up and flames out bad in stock form. Mods also needed to correct that. Close $2k to get all the potential out of it .
I am getting rid of my 350 exc and going with a Honda 450L. The 350 exc really isn't a dual sport. It's horrible on the pavement. Plus, I'm tired of all the nit picky problems that exc's have.
Yee 2,000 to 2,500 us for exhaust ecu and air box mods?? No thanks for 10,000 msrp I'd spend my money on a beta 390 rrs 13,000 out the door and 3 times the bike
I am tired of paying big money on stuff that is badly engineered.
That’s just the way the industry is moving really. Nicely engineered, just extra crap on it for emissions. The xr650l’s have been like that forever. The racing bikes are good to go from the factory..
All the reasons why I bought the last of the carb'd 2 stroke KTMs