I think Otto and Alicent both think Aegon is easily manipulated so in their minds whoever gets him first will be able to impose their will on him. But in the future this will probably end up backfiring on them since now he’s King. As Tyrion said “It's hard to put a leash on a dog once you've put a crown on its head”.
Agreed, that's why the Fleabottom Hide and Seek was just a drama device. It doesn't truly matter who found Aegon, he would be crowned, and once he gets power, not even he knows how he'll use it. Prepare for Joffrey 2.0, or rather, Joffrey was Aegon 2.0?
@@inaruboricua but that doesn't mean they won't try to control him. I don't think he would be Joffery 2.0 . He would just be harsh as a king .Joffery was just a weird kid given too much power. What we have seen about aegon is not to dissimilar to the behaviour of prince's who are not inheriting the throne.
I’m not so sure. I’m not dead set on this but I was getting a vibe that Otto was going to kill Aegon if he got him first, and that Alicent suspected this and made sure to get him first. I wouldn’t put it past Otto to get Aegon out of the way for Aemond, yes despite being his grandson.
Fair. Perhaps. I forgot Otto wants to feel like he’s king. But Aegon is so apathetic how do we know he’d go along with anything. Whereas Aemond is learned and measured and gets the game. I feel like Otto sees him as similar to himself and could actually reason with Aemond rather than manipulate him. Like actual council. If that’s a thing in westeros.
"Well, Grandfather, you do raise an excellent point that a wasteful and bloody war is nearly inevitable if Rhaenyra lives. However, Mother's men won our little game of Fleabottom Hide and Seek, therefore I am honorbound to follow her counsel." --how both Alicent and Otto expected Aegon to react, apparently
@@1992zorro Never seen before? I know they weren't close but his dad literally had it in his belt every time he left his chambers. He would've needed to be spectacularly unobservant not to notice it.
@@1992zorro His father was gonna cut Vaemond's tongue out with it just the episode prior. And he also witnessed his mother scarring rhaenyra with it. That's just to major incidents that I know he would've witnessed
point is if otto found aegon first he would have locked him up, stacked the new government with his own cronies, then put the crown on aegon's head when everything was in place. At this point aegon would have been a puppet. Kind of like the dynamic between Tywin and Joffery in season 2 and 3.
keep in mind Alicent already drilled the fact that no matter what Aegon want whether he wanted the throne or not Rhaenyra would still come after him and his brothers since he would still be a rival claimant and many lords would flock to his banner whether he wanted it or not, and besides that's dumb who's to say that Rhaenyra wouldn't kill him, Daemon is Rhaenyra's current partner and he certainly wouldn't want Aegon, Aemond and Daeron alive and if Aegon ran away to Rhaenyra and decided to swear to toss away his "inheritance" Aemond and Daeron are still there to be proclaimed King by the many Lords of Westeros, these men have prides and they certainly wouldn't want a woman to bend their knee too, it doesn't matter if she is to be a wise and dutiful queen
@@santaclawz4431 That's after all of the conflicts of the war, though. In the show, at this point in time, I believe she'd _want_ to keep him from harm. Daemon, however, is another story entirely... Also doubt Jace would be happy
But he's SUCH a self-indulgent fool he can't think his way to a safe life of self-indulgent foolery. He'd reject the idea of going to Rhaenyra just because a 'man doesn't ask some female for protection'.
One big mistake that I think will come back to bite Alicent was approving Larys to take out Myseria. She essentially drove The White Worm straight into the Blacks with a thirst for revenge, which will have major consequences when Daemon recruits her for a mission of a son for a son.
Yep. We have to assume the Myseria lived at the moment. Even if she thinks it was Otto that ordered it, she'll likely be one of the forces that pushes the small folk against the crown.
@@zolac9732 honestly, Tywin pales in comparison to Otto as a player. Otto seems to have very little emotions influencing him, which makes him a superb player. Tywin, however, is a proud man. That overarching emotion prevented him from teaming up with Tyrion and using him to his full potential - instead, he alienated him and made an enemy.
In the episode, Alicent finally saw through her father's manipulation of her & everyone to gain power. She was firm to ensure that won't happen to her son. She believes that with her guidance, Aegon can avoid a war with Rhaenyra & be a good, kind King like his father.
Poor Alicent and her overconfidence in her son. What gets me is that episode 9 highlighted how unrealistic it is that Alicent wouldn’t realize that she misheard/misunderstood what Viserys said. NOBODY believes Viserys would do wish such a thing, not even aegon himself. Heck, I don’t even think Otto even thinks that’s what he said, but he’s just going along with it because it removes the need to try to convince Alicent that what he’s been planning to take part in all along is the best move. As aegon himself said, Viserys had Aegons entire life to name him heir, but he didn’t. And putting raenyra in danger would be the last thing he’d want.
I like how the book is written like a history book based on the accounts of supposed witnesses. A lot is left to the imagination and gives a lot of wiggle room for the show, which is great beyond expectations thus far. One episode left of S1.. I'm not ready!
Honestly, the show is so different than the books that I think it would actually be more appropriate to consider it as a separate canon, rather than a visual representation of "WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE BOOKS!"
I love your videos, because you talk about what the story IS, not what you think it should be. You discuss the lore - not the writers, producers, and studios. Your videos discuss the goings-on in a positive way that builds community and generates healthy duscussion for FANS. Thank You, Robert. Thank you.
What surprised me was that Aemond, the person who should be the most invested in killing Rhaenyra's kids, was on Alicent's side. Not sure if Aemond is simply 100% loyal to his mother because she was the only parent who seemed to care about him. Or if Aemond dislikes Otto because Otto is so determined on Aegon being the King, despite Aemond being the better candidate seemingly. I wonder if Aemond will have to be persuaded or "bribed" to complete certain missions.
Aemond could have played Aegon out pretty easily hence Aegon did not even want the crown. If he had taken the opportunity. But that might too much change from the book's plot
I thought there were obvious undertones of Aemond's intent to harm Aegon if he could get ahead of the hunt. It's entirely possible that had Aemond found Aegon on his own, he would have shipped him off, but I think it's more likely he would have killed Aegon and made his death look more like the consequence of his scandals. But since there were witnesses, he's playing the long game.
@@woodswitchprints Aemond has not shown any signs of aggression toward his nuclear family...he loves them dearly...Howver, like his uncle Daemon, he wishes he was the king
@@toddgakk5783 Some people just don't gray early. There's a racial element to it, which goes back to genetics. Cole is partially Dornish. Perhaps the Dornish don't gray very early, since all of the Dornishmen I've seen, in both of these shows, were not Dornish dudes with gray hair. Also, he's only in his early 40's at this point. Not exactly over the hill. A lot of time has passed by, but he starts the series essentially in his 20's, so him not looking old is not that unusual. He's not that much older than Alicent, and she still looks pretty "young-ish."
TWO THINGS really don't make sense: 1) That Viserys would bring back that snake Otto as his Hand. 2) That Rhaenyra as queen in waiting is never around in Kings Landing, she basically just abdicated it to the Hightowers to take root and take over in her long absence, especially with Viserys in such bad health for such a long time. How does that make any sense? It's like if Bill Gates names me his successor at Microsoft, but in the 6 years preceding his death I am never around the offices, never in any meetings, I go off to live somewhere in South America, and I expect to just waltz in as owner and CEO and run things the day he dies
Its based on historical events - during England's history, empress Matilda was named heir to the throne by her father, but was in Normandy when he died, leaving the crown to be claimed by her cousin.
1. The Hand of the King is essentially the Prime Minister. Viserys and most of the kings in the series actually do not know how to run the government. That is why they find statesmen like Ser Otto Hightower, Lord Tywin Lannister, Lord Jon Arryn, and Lord Ned Stark to do it for them. Anyhow, Viserys brought Otto back because: A) Ser Otto was the most qualified candidate; none of the remaining Small Council members are particularly strong choices. B) Viserys fears conflict, and he knows this would please Alicent. C) Viserys was lazy and didn't want to risk choosing an incapable Hand. 2. This is extremely common, both in Westeros and in real life Medieval analogues. Again, the king does not really run his government; he appoints a Hand to do that on his behalf. (Well, in this case, a queen.) Furthermore, the idea that Rhaenyra is a capable and responsible leader is laughable. She has three obvious bastards, whom she is attempting to pass off as legitimate. How much do you really think she cares about the realm after producing so much evidence of dishonorable conduct?
I was honestly wondering if Otto wanted Aegon to have an “accident” so his much more suited brother could take the throne. I think that would have made sense for his character, he should despise Aegons behavior, while his brother is much more suited.
I dont think hed want Aegon dead. Aegon is a drunken fool, hed likely just contine doinf that once ruking gor boring, Robert stYle. That woukd resTore The sTsTus quo, with OTTo ruling in all buT name
@@riperboyxl3216 Aegon has twins, a boy and a girl, already shown last Sunday with Helaena, and in the book they have a third child as well, another boy.
Though it conflicts with the statements the show writers put out, your video points out why Rhaenys would feel the need to not just escape with her dragon out the hillside exit, but to violently interrupt the ceremony instead. Without that act, Aegon II would have the full support of King's Landing and later the 6 kingdoms. Unlike the book where the violence is local and limited to lords/ladies that didn't accept, here the smallfolk are involved in the Game of Thrones with a big visual indication the Targaryens are not united on this crowning of Aegon. Also, notice the parallel of Rhaenys in the crowd as the royal family is on stage crowing Aegon paralleled to Arya Stark in the crowd with the royal family on the stage executing her father. While I doubt the writers intended it, there's some nice compares and contrasts that could be made with that.
I like the irony that Rhaenys and the Kingsguard escorting her were trying to escape the city-- but the violent herding of all the city's people to witness the coronation of Aegon was what gave Rhaenys the chance to get to her dragon instead. They first imprisoned her and then stopped her escape.... and THIS is what it got them! Her expression, gazing at them balefully as they realize their continued lives rest on her mercy, is a marvel of complex ambiguity.
What I thought from just watching it was that Aegon was weak willed and easily manipulated, and so he could be pretty easily strong-armed into doing anything. But also Otto seemed to want to do things in a bit more of a smart way through hiding information about the kings death and keeping everything secret while working in the background to make better preparations for the coming war, while Alicent wanted to do things all officially and in the open because she genuinely believes its the right thing to do and such. In my mind, if Otto's men had gotten Aegon first then things would have played out more similarly to what happens in the book. It is an interesting difference from the books.
Larys plays 8D chess not only is he getting his gratification he's asserting dominance to the Green Higherups Otto knows he's doing something but because he's so useful can't get rid of him especially if Larys was successful killing The White Worm then he'd be the main source of information and spy networking. Also hes desensitized Alicent to where she will stomach his depravity shaming her keeping her down in a way no one else can.
Alicent is compliant in the foot depravity. As queen, she already has the power & upper hand over Larys. Exactly how did she decide she needed to whore herself out to him in participation of his foot fetish/masturbation?
If I wasn't already subscribed, this video would be it. This one issue in the latest episode drove me nuts wondering why they were competing over Aegon. Thank you for the insight. ✌️
I love how some of the changes from the books, actually work in favor of the show, making character motives more believable, and in general creating more nuanced gray characters than white/black. Amazing work has been poured into this, let's hope they keep it up on next seasons too.
Like most in power in the show, they didn't want to be there and are only there by their manipulators. Aegon, by Alicent, Alicent by Otto, and even Rhaenya's kids by her, etc. Alicent is only sympathetic because sh'e acting as a mother, not a queen, because she never wanted to be queen.
I have this impression at first that Otto is wise and cunning like Tywin. But when he ordered LC Westerling to go to Dragonstone where the grumpiest dragon in Caraxes will also be there along with 2 other dragon at the very least, to murder Rhaenyra and her family just left me dumbfounded. Deep inside Westerling might be thinking "I ain't going there to be roasted alive". 🤣🤣
Don't forget he told them to sneak into dragonstone . Remember the dragons are not just lying around. There is the dragon mount where they actually live which is away from the living structures. If you send assasins to the castle on dragon stone they could kill the family .
@@adedayooyegunju828 i probably missed the part when he told them to sneak into dragonstone. When Otto said that all im thinking is does he really expect the kingsguard to just go out there gunsblazing, marching on those steps to murder the family without being faded by Caraxes.
Well let´s not forget that he once sailed to Dragonstone himself with some Knights as backup to challenge Caraxes and his Dragonrider himself when he stole the Egg meant for Baelon. Otto might be good at politics in general but his martial and strategic intellect seems to be seriously lacking.
@@denniseggert211 what I noticed, not only from him, but for most of the characters throughout the show is there are some decisions or actions they do when they sometimes forget that dragons effing exists. I hope in the war it's not like this. I hope the existance of dragons will be more prevalent with their thought process. It's just like how world powers today dont usually make wreckless decisions because of nukes and m.a.d.
Do you have a cope explanation for why Rhaenys would slaughter hundreds of innocents but refuse to kill the greens she caught in the process of committing a coup against her sworn Queen? I really hate that the show-writers even put her in that position to have the opportunity. It makes so little sense to me, I was completely thrown out of my immersion and has left a sour outlook on the future of the show for me.
1. She doesn’t know how this story unfolds, maybe she believes bloodshed can be avoided. 2. Literally one night ago she dined with her family and the dying king whom she loved and heard his wish of the family uniting. What makes anyone thing it would in character for it to be easy for her to kill her relatives? 3. The people she killed are commoners, targaryens are royalty and as good as any of them is, they don’t give a fuck about peasants. 4. She didn’t confront the killing of the peasants, it was in the heat of her waking up imprisoned in the middle of the coup and desperately wanting to escape. What is dumb here is certainly not that she didn’t kill her relatives and not even that she killed peasants. What is dumb is that they had her smash the fucking floor for no reason (how didn’t she smash her head?) when we have seen in previous scenes that the dragon pit has ways out. They could have made her fly in from the same door she exited and kill 10 peasants in her landing, not 100.
Thank you! I was wondering this the whole time. Like when the 2 knights fought over him I kept wondering why they weren't like "oh shit you found him, awesome!" lol
Kind of wish they hadn't gone with that deathbed misunderstanding. I think you can take that away and still have everything else that happens take place. Alicent goes along with her father and decides Ageon should be king but is annoyed that it was being planned behind her back and being against the decision to kill Rhaenyra etc.
I thought this episode showed Otto's duplicity and manipulation very clearly. He told Alicent that Raenera will kill her children if she takes the throne since the realm will never support her if a male air exists. He used that to convince Alicent that Raenare must be usurped. And now he's saying "oh we must kill Raenera and her children, we have no choice, her supporters will fight otherwise". Oh, so it turns out the realm would not rise up against the Raenera after all, you just told Alicent all those years ago what you would do if you were in a position of power and thought there are others who have a claim.
I suppose Otto shares one thing in common with Ned Stark- when thinking about what others would do in a situation, he projects what *he* would do onto them.
@@riccardocirielli That's not Otto being right. Bloodshed was inevitable BECAUSE of men like him. BECAUSE he was the mastermind who plotted the coup. Self-fulfilling prophecies don't make for "I told you so" moments.
@@riccardocirielli Rhaenyra tried to find ways to bind the families together that were rejected in the end. If that had happened she probably wouldn’t have ended marrying Daemon and I don’t think she would kill children unprovoked
ive just started watching the video but from what I gleaned, Otto wanted to scare Aegon into murdering his sister, while Alicent wanted to keep her alive
@@pluckybellhop66 because Otto has been saying all season since he's wanted Aegon as king, that Rhaenyra will need to die otherwise Aegon will have someone fight him for the throne.
Otto Hightower is one of the best characters on this show and with Paddy gone I’d say he’s arguably the best actor on the show. If they end up changing Otto’s end (which I think is going to happen) I hope we get a little more background on Otto.
The bigger question is the coincidence that he was hidden away by Mysaria upon the death of the King. Did she poison the King and hold him for an exchange for the highest bidder. The servant girl was waiting for the men to come looking for him...
They need more episodes like these. I love how intimate it felt. Not so shallow. And you could feel even the importance and talents of the gold cloak knights. And rhaenys getting lost in the crowd separated from the defected gold cloak Eryk. Such a good episode. Probably the best one yet, in my book.
@@MeLoveParisHilton same dude. I honestly see a trend between having limited budget and good shows. Not that a big budget makes bad shows, but a lower budget definitely encourages creativity and focus more on story rather than expensive gimmicks.
See I thought Otto was having him brought outside the city because he was going to give Aegon some gold and send him away so he could crown Aemond instead. Guess I read that wrong.
They raced for Aegon because they had no idea what to do in this episode and had to manufacture some really bad and pointless drama. Nothing is going to stop Otto from just talking to Aegon later about his plan.
I think that was just the dragon popping up from beneath the pit. Aegon wasn't really "beneath the boards" which infers something out of sight. Aegon was always highly visible since his birth and questioned Rhaenya's succession way before he was even crowned.
Alicent is not dominant over Aegon, she’s ever negligent of him- her control is now on ice because of it. Hence him saying, ‘do you love me mother?’ at an inappropriate time. She’s going to find herself in a serious situation because he grew up hearing: ‘you are no son of mine!’ And now she’s going to demand he run a kingdom by her rules?? Yikes😬
Otto just wanted soul custody of Aegon, particularly so he could sign off on questionable deeds before his mother's interference. Note that alicent says you grandfather will try to persuade you to kill rhaenyra and co. Don't do that. That was basically the point. It would have been too late to "recall the ravens" once the assassins were greenlit. Also I think Otto was trying to secure a show tywin/tommen relationship. Where tywin thought finally a boy I might make a great king out of though I don't think he knows what he's in for.
I think Otto's long-laid plan isn't really about installing Aegon but rather killing him and then blaming on Rhaenyra. If not, I can't think why Arryk tell Aegon that the Hand wants to meet him outside the city wall.
I'm not sure otto is callous enough to kill his own grandson. Perhaps he wanted to keep him out of Kings landing so neither he nor allicent would have any real authority, and if rhaenyra attacks she doesn't kill the king.
@@mappingshaman5280 On the succession question, Westeros isn't strictly primogeniture. In the Great Council of 233, Meagor (the more senior son's son) is omitted in favour of Aegon V (the less senior son). And succession itself isn't 100% about the law. Aemond would be a more inspring king, and Daeron the Daring would be a king with direct influence from Oldtown.
I thought this was obvious. (evidently not lol) Like why Rhaenys didn't "Dracarys!" the greens, but a much more in-universe answer. Like, Rhaenys didn't have her dragon torch everybody on that dais because that would effectively end the entire story, for all practical purposes, right then and there, if she had. But, the reason there was a "race to find Aegon first" was so whomever had him could persuade him to do their respective bidding, etc. (like you laid out so succinctly here lol in this video! 👍)
I never believed in that Targaryen madness shit. I feel it’s more of the people they have around them being yes men and just the fact being a king gives you the power hungry stupid decision making, bc not every Targaryen was mad just the ones who let the power of being king get to their head
You actually defended and explained things rather well. I, personally, felt that the conflict was contrived, as ultimately neither had any real reason to oppose one another. Both wanted Aegon on the throne, and neither had any reason to oppose him. War with Rhaenyra is pretty much inevitable, and Alicent is being more than a little naive to believe otherwise. But if there were any chance for peace at all, crowning Aegon quickly and making everything appear to be entirely legitimate to head things off does make some sense.
The "blacks" should have anticipated the usurping well in advance, it's not like otto was keeping his wishes secret. Vaegar was the only real threat to them. They should have used Daemon and Rhaenyra's knowledge of the red keeps secrets passages and eliminated Aemond long before Viserys' death.
I don't know exactly what happens in the books but, I would love it if Aegon pulled a Jeoffrey and went batshit crazy and neither Alicent nor Otto could control him, and Otto would have to watch how all his efforts to put his blood on the Iron Throne leads to a lunatic on the Iron Throne who wreaks absolute havoc and gets them all killed.
Alicent's hypocrisy is so infuriating. Yeah, help your son to usurp his sister's throne and pray he won't kill her. He'll just make her dragon food instead.
Alicent believed she was carrying out the kings final wish. This was because the king was delirious in his last moments and thought he was talking to his daughter about the SOIAF prophecy. I believe she would have opposed Otto completely if she did not have that final conversation. Otto has been trying to bend Aegon to his will since he was a child and wanted to control him and the throne through him and Alicent knew it. I'm pretty sure Aegon is well aware of this and is in part why he didn't want to be king, look at the death stare he gave Otto at his coronation.
Yes, the stakes for this was not evident, but was to avoid the hand persuading Aegon to kill the rightful queen, but like Cerci its to ensure she remains in control.
When I first watched the episode I got it all wrong. I thought Otto wanted to murder the useless Aegon so Aemond could take the throne... That was reinforced when one of the knight brothers said to Aegon that Otto would meet him outside the city walls. I also had a hard time understanding why that one brother just looked on and went away not helping. I guess that's when he decided to actively support Rhaenyra?
I like how a very recurring assumption is that Aegon is easily swayed and stupid, but we haven't seen him behaving that stupidly so far. He's not an idiot, he just has no business acting smart. So I really don't know how he will react to his mmother and grandfather advice. We'll see.
Tom Glynn Carney (Aegon's Actor) has stated a few times in interviews that Aegon is generally underestimated due to the amount of degenerate shit he partakes in - "There is a deep darkness to Aegon, one that can’t be quenched, making him incredibly dangerous and unpredictable. He is intelligent and has a keen eye for the weak spots of others. The man is a tight ball of knots and tangles, and we get a small glimpse of his potential in Season 1."
Would you please, please, please do a video that discusses whether or not any dragon rider rode more than one dragon? We know some dragons had more than one rider (Balerion being the first and foremost that comes to mind.) I’ve read all of ASOIAF and some of the supplementary material, but I’m genuinely curious about this specifically. Viserys didn’t take another. Was that common or was he expected to? Either way, thank you for your content. I stay up late on Sunday evenings for your live streams. 😊
You can say Joffrey Velaryon rode both Tyraxes and Syrax, but only veeeeery briefly (and that did not work out well for him) and a number of people rode different dragons TOGHETHER with their riders (for example, baby Daemon rode Meleys in his first days of life with his mother, since Meleys was her dragon). But someone ACTAULLY BONDING to TWO dragons, no, no one comes to mind.
I don't understand how Alicent thinks Rhaenyra can be saved. Aegon is crowned, he is the Lord of the Seven Kingdoms. To deny the king is to commit treason and is punishable by death. In this very episode, we saw more than 1 person executed for just such an offense, and Alicent has already admitted that Rhaenyra will never bend. What exactly does she think the outcome is going to be of someone who sits in defiance of the kings power?
@@fvefve12 yep, she definitely still cares for Rhaenyra, as pointed out by Otto in their private conversation. Episode 8 also really showed how she really did long for Rhaenyra and basically wanted to make up after Rhaenyra apologized and also acknowledged her effort and loyalty to Viserys
It was Otto sent them to death, he could because there was no king. Alicent believes this can be settled without violence. She thinks she can convince Aegon to spare Rhaenyra’s live, and at the same time convince Rheanyra to accept Viserys’s “last word”. That’s what she intended to do.
It annoyed me that you watch episodes where it jumps 10 years yet this one episode was taken up with just hunting down Aegon ( such a waste especially when there’s only one episode left in this season ) !
they already have a stopping point for the season. Also the time jumps were meant to get to this point. It was the hardest part of the show because they had 20 years of story to tell of how we got here. Now they can relax and actually slowly tell the real story. The time jumps were necessary. Think of the last 3 episodes as a separate movie from the rest of the season.
Alicent would be stupid to let Aegon fire the entire council. These are the guys who backed him in taking power and are the only people he are sure are in his corner even if they are there for personal gain. But as far as Otto is concerned, that's his grandson, so at the end of the day, he's going to do everything in his power to make the people perceive that Aegon has a good reign. Now. with alicent whispering in his ear is sure to happen, but aegon literally doesn't care about ruling so Otto will still be able to have his way here since he'll be drafting the policy and having aegon sign off on it or better yet tell him to go drink and sleep around while Otto does all the work. Win win for both of them.
I feel like this episode should have been called "The Amazing Race", instead of "The Green Council" haha. Less councilling, more racing/hunting. P.S. R.I.P. Cole Kingmaker 🤴🏼
Huh, totally unrelated [probably] but does the dragon's pupil at 2:06 strike anyone else as similar in shape to Aegon's dagger? I wonder what the significance of that is
In regards to Larys Strong. According to the story. He would be the uncle of Strong Bastards. So either side wins hot d . He could play both sides. Green or Black. However I would think the Blacks would kill him before they would show their feet.
I think Otto and Alicent both think Aegon is easily manipulated so in their minds whoever gets him first will be able to impose their will on him. But in the future this will probably end up backfiring on them since now he’s King. As Tyrion said “It's hard to put a leash on a dog once you've put a crown on its head”.
Agreed, that's why the Fleabottom Hide and Seek was just a drama device. It doesn't truly matter who found Aegon, he would be crowned, and once he gets power, not even he knows how he'll use it. Prepare for Joffrey 2.0, or rather, Joffrey was Aegon 2.0?
@@inaruboricua but that doesn't mean they won't try to control him. I don't think he would be Joffery 2.0 . He would just be harsh as a king .Joffery was just a weird kid given too much power. What we have seen about aegon is not to dissimilar to the behaviour of prince's who are not inheriting the throne.
I’m not so sure. I’m not dead set on this but I was getting a vibe that Otto was going to kill Aegon if he got him first, and that Alicent suspected this and made sure to get him first. I wouldn’t put it past Otto to get Aegon out of the way for Aemond, yes despite being his grandson.
@@joeybegoode9067 why would he do that. Aegon is easier to control than aemond.The episode is just a proxy war of influence
Fair. Perhaps. I forgot Otto wants to feel like he’s king. But Aegon is so apathetic how do we know he’d go along with anything. Whereas Aemond is learned and measured and gets the game. I feel like Otto sees him as similar to himself and could actually reason with Aemond rather than manipulate him. Like actual council. If that’s a thing in westeros.
"Well, Grandfather, you do raise an excellent point that a wasteful and bloody war is nearly inevitable if Rhaenyra lives. However, Mother's men won our little game of Fleabottom Hide and Seek, therefore I am honorbound to follow her counsel."
--how both Alicent and Otto expected Aegon to react, apparently
Mommy gave that dagger I've never seen before that's supposed to be from my father who never loved me and made an effort to know me.
@@1992zorro Never seen before? I know they weren't close but his dad literally had it in his belt every time he left his chambers. He would've needed to be spectacularly unobservant not to notice it.
Hahaha, so true
@@1992zorro His father was gonna cut Vaemond's tongue out with it just the episode prior. And he also witnessed his mother scarring rhaenyra with it. That's just to major incidents that I know he would've witnessed
point is if otto found aegon first he would have locked him up, stacked the new government with his own cronies, then put the crown on aegon's head when everything was in place. At this point aegon would have been a puppet. Kind of like the dynamic between Tywin and Joffery in season 2 and 3.
Ironically if Aegon had took Sunfire and instead ran away to Dragonstone and told his older sister exactly how he felt, she would have protected him.
Exactly. Such a shame
keep in mind Alicent already drilled the fact that no matter what Aegon want whether he wanted the throne or not Rhaenyra would still come after him and his brothers since he would still be a rival claimant and many lords would flock to his banner whether he wanted it or not, and besides that's dumb who's to say that Rhaenyra wouldn't kill him, Daemon is Rhaenyra's current partner and he certainly wouldn't want Aegon, Aemond and Daeron alive and if Aegon ran away to Rhaenyra and decided to swear to toss away his "inheritance" Aemond and Daeron are still there to be proclaimed King by the many Lords of Westeros, these men have prides and they certainly wouldn't want a woman to bend their knee too, it doesn't matter if she is to be a wise and dutiful queen
No she wouldn't, Aegon literally feeds rhaenyra to Sunfire after he attacks her there is no love between the two factions
@@santaclawz4431 That's after all of the conflicts of the war, though. In the show, at this point in time, I believe she'd _want_ to keep him from harm. Daemon, however, is another story entirely... Also doubt Jace would be happy
But he's SUCH a self-indulgent fool he can't think his way to a safe life of self-indulgent foolery. He'd reject the idea of going to Rhaenyra just because a 'man doesn't ask some female for protection'.
The actor who plays Otto is phenomenal
@Valoriant Legion do not get it twisted, Otto Hightower is not the same character as Tywin.
He's come a long way since Eyeball Paul 😂
@Valoriant Legion ????
@Valoriant Legion what?
@@marksimmonds6364 Twin Town is amazing too
One big mistake that I think will come back to bite Alicent was approving Larys to take out Myseria. She essentially drove The White Worm straight into the Blacks with a thirst for revenge, which will have major consequences when Daemon recruits her for a mission of a son for a son.
I wonder which characters from the GoT universe would have exploitet that situation better :)
@@desputnikcommander Tywin Lannister
Yep. We have to assume the Myseria lived at the moment. Even if she thinks it was Otto that ordered it, she'll likely be one of the forces that pushes the small folk against the crown.
Hmmm, it makes me wonder if her show-character would be ok with what B&C do...
Book Mysaria would, but show Mysaria...
@@zolac9732 honestly, Tywin pales in comparison to Otto as a player. Otto seems to have very little emotions influencing him, which makes him a superb player. Tywin, however, is a proud man. That overarching emotion prevented him from teaming up with Tyrion and using him to his full potential - instead, he alienated him and made an enemy.
In the episode, Alicent finally saw through her father's manipulation of her & everyone to gain power. She was firm to ensure that won't happen to her son. She believes that with her guidance, Aegon can avoid a war with Rhaenyra & be a good, kind King like his father.
Aaaaaand none of that happened
@@chanellover4491 "It's hard to put a leash on a dog once you put a crown on it's head." ~ Tyrion Lannister
Poor Alicent and her overconfidence in her son. What gets me is that episode 9 highlighted how unrealistic it is that Alicent wouldn’t realize that she misheard/misunderstood what Viserys said. NOBODY believes Viserys would do wish such a thing, not even aegon himself. Heck, I don’t even think Otto even thinks that’s what he said, but he’s just going along with it because it removes the need to try to convince Alicent that what he’s been planning to take part in all along is the best move. As aegon himself said, Viserys had Aegons entire life to name him heir, but he didn’t. And putting raenyra in danger would be the last thing he’d want.
Good Luck with that....
"Can" is the operative word.
I like how the book is written like a history book based on the accounts of supposed witnesses. A lot is left to the imagination and gives a lot of wiggle room for the show, which is great beyond expectations thus far. One episode left of S1.. I'm not ready!
Just like real history. Who knows what really happened.
Honestly, the show is so different than the books that I think it would actually be more appropriate to consider it as a separate canon, rather than a visual representation of "WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE BOOKS!"
I love your videos, because you talk about what the story IS, not what you think it should be. You discuss the lore - not the writers, producers, and studios. Your videos discuss the goings-on in a positive way that builds community and generates healthy duscussion for FANS.
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What surprised me was that Aemond, the person who should be the most invested in killing Rhaenyra's kids, was on Alicent's side. Not sure if Aemond is simply 100% loyal to his mother because she was the only parent who seemed to care about him. Or if Aemond dislikes Otto because Otto is so determined on Aegon being the King, despite Aemond being the better candidate seemingly. I wonder if Aemond will have to be persuaded or "bribed" to complete certain missions.
Aemond could have played Aegon out pretty easily hence Aegon did not even want the crown. If he had taken the opportunity. But that might too much change from the book's plot
I thought there were obvious undertones of Aemond's intent to harm Aegon if he could get ahead of the hunt. It's entirely possible that had Aemond found Aegon on his own, he would have shipped him off, but I think it's more likely he would have killed Aegon and made his death look more like the consequence of his scandals. But since there were witnesses, he's playing the long game.
@@woodswitchprints Aemond has not shown any signs of aggression toward his nuclear family...he loves them dearly...Howver, like his uncle Daemon, he wishes he was the king
The first thing you said. Aemond love his mother and even when he doesn't agree with her, he is going to be on her side
@@Sparxx74 I guess I misread him then. And that makes sense given how he was talking about duty when Aegon's betrothal to Helena came up.
Can we get a video on the fountain of youth Criston Cole drinks from?
Could they at least give him some gray hairs or something?
@@toddgakk5783 Some people just don't gray early. There's a racial element to it, which goes back to genetics. Cole is partially Dornish. Perhaps the Dornish don't gray very early, since all of the Dornishmen I've seen, in both of these shows, were not Dornish dudes with gray hair. Also, he's only in his early 40's at this point. Not exactly over the hill. A lot of time has passed by, but he starts the series essentially in his 20's, so him not looking old is not that unusual. He's not that much older than Alicent, and she still looks pretty "young-ish."
@@jacob4920 could they give him some glasses then?
criston cole is melisandre in glamor 😅
@@avg18 well shit, that’s head canon now
TWO THINGS really don't make sense: 1) That Viserys would bring back that snake Otto as his Hand. 2) That Rhaenyra as queen in waiting is never around in Kings Landing, she basically just abdicated it to the Hightowers to take root and take over in her long absence, especially with Viserys in such bad health for such a long time. How does that make any sense? It's like if Bill Gates names me his successor at Microsoft, but in the 6 years preceding his death I am never around the offices, never in any meetings, I go off to live somewhere in South America, and I expect to just waltz in as owner and CEO and run things the day he dies
You are right why did they let her leave king’s landing???
Its based on historical events - during England's history, empress Matilda was named heir to the throne by her father, but was in Normandy when he died, leaving the crown to be claimed by her cousin.
1. The Hand of the King is essentially the Prime Minister. Viserys and most of the kings in the series actually do not know how to run the government. That is why they find statesmen like Ser Otto Hightower, Lord Tywin Lannister, Lord Jon Arryn, and Lord Ned Stark to do it for them. Anyhow, Viserys brought Otto back because: A) Ser Otto was the most qualified candidate; none of the remaining Small Council members are particularly strong choices. B) Viserys fears conflict, and he knows this would please Alicent. C) Viserys was lazy and didn't want to risk choosing an incapable Hand.
2. This is extremely common, both in Westeros and in real life Medieval analogues. Again, the king does not really run his government; he appoints a Hand to do that on his behalf. (Well, in this case, a queen.) Furthermore, the idea that Rhaenyra is a capable and responsible leader is laughable. She has three obvious bastards, whom she is attempting to pass off as legitimate. How much do you really think she cares about the realm after producing so much evidence of dishonorable conduct?
I was honestly wondering if Otto wanted Aegon to have an “accident” so his much more suited brother could take the throne. I think that would have made sense for his character, he should despise Aegons behavior, while his brother is much more suited.
In that case Aemond would get the throne as protector of the realm until Aegon's son comes of age.
@@leykimayri aegon has no sons...
I dont think hed want Aegon dead. Aegon is a drunken fool, hed likely just contine doinf that once ruking gor boring, Robert stYle. That woukd resTore The sTsTus quo, with OTTo ruling in all buT name
@@riperboyxl3216 Aegon has twins, a boy and a girl, already shown last Sunday with Helaena, and in the book they have a third child as well, another boy.
@@leykimayri if he dies before being named king the kingship would go to his brother.
Otto: Sends 2 kingsguard and contracts with Lady Misery.
Alicent: ….and this little piggy went home….
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To be fair... the twins found aegon, cris and aemond just piggy backed on dem and made a steal.
"Lady Misery" is right considering how much pain her accent gives me.
@@Voidwurm1701 LMAO, she is from lys
Though it conflicts with the statements the show writers put out, your video points out why Rhaenys would feel the need to not just escape with her dragon out the hillside exit, but to violently interrupt the ceremony instead. Without that act, Aegon II would have the full support of King's Landing and later the 6 kingdoms. Unlike the book where the violence is local and limited to lords/ladies that didn't accept, here the smallfolk are involved in the Game of Thrones with a big visual indication the Targaryens are not united on this crowning of Aegon.
Also, notice the parallel of Rhaenys in the crowd as the royal family is on stage crowing Aegon paralleled to Arya Stark in the crowd with the royal family on the stage executing her father. While I doubt the writers intended it, there's some nice compares and contrasts that could be made with that.
I like the irony that Rhaenys and the Kingsguard escorting her were trying to escape the city-- but the violent herding of all the city's people to witness the coronation of Aegon was what gave Rhaenys the chance to get to her dragon instead. They first imprisoned her and then stopped her escape.... and THIS is what it got them! Her expression, gazing at them balefully as they realize their continued lives rest on her mercy, is a marvel of complex ambiguity.
What I thought from just watching it was that Aegon was weak willed and easily manipulated, and so he could be pretty easily strong-armed into doing anything. But also Otto seemed to want to do things in a bit more of a smart way through hiding information about the kings death and keeping everything secret while working in the background to make better preparations for the coming war, while Alicent wanted to do things all officially and in the open because she genuinely believes its the right thing to do and such. In my mind, if Otto's men had gotten Aegon first then things would have played out more similarly to what happens in the book. It is an interesting difference from the books.
Larys plays 8D chess not only is he getting his gratification he's asserting dominance to the Green Higherups Otto knows he's doing something but because he's so useful can't get rid of him especially if Larys was successful killing The White Worm then he'd be the main source of information and spy networking. Also hes desensitized Alicent to where she will stomach his depravity shaming her keeping her down in a way no one else can.
Alicent is compliant in the foot depravity. As queen, she already has the power & upper hand over Larys. Exactly how did she decide she needed to whore herself out to him in participation of his foot fetish/masturbation?
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If I wasn't already subscribed, this video would be it. This one issue in the latest episode drove me nuts wondering why they were competing over Aegon. Thank you for the insight. ✌️
I love how some of the changes from the books, actually work in favor of the show, making character motives more believable, and in general creating more nuanced gray characters than white/black. Amazing work has been poured into this, let's hope they keep it up on next seasons too.
Thanks for discussing something no one else did. THAT is why I really value this site.
The"Getting Aegon ready for the Coronation" scene was like the Pink Floyd video Comfortably Numb
this is what i needed to read!
Alicent is going along a more sympathetic and honourable motive and Otto is being more machiavellian in his approach.
She’s still being messy
Honourable my foot. Her foot i mean. There is bee
Like most in power in the show, they didn't want to be there and are only there by their manipulators. Aegon, by Alicent, Alicent by Otto, and even Rhaenya's kids by her, etc.
Alicent is only sympathetic because sh'e acting as a mother, not a queen, because she never wanted to be queen.
@@floofy5529 🤣😂🤣
@@floofy5529 the bitch is on a power trip 🤣😂🤣
I have this impression at first that Otto is wise and cunning like Tywin. But when he ordered LC Westerling to go to Dragonstone where the grumpiest dragon in Caraxes will also be there along with 2 other dragon at the very least, to murder Rhaenyra and her family just left me dumbfounded. Deep inside Westerling might be thinking "I ain't going there to be roasted alive". 🤣🤣
Don't forget he told them to sneak into dragonstone . Remember the dragons are not just lying around. There is the dragon mount where they actually live which is away from the living structures. If you send assasins to the castle on dragon stone they could kill the family .
@@adedayooyegunju828 i probably missed the part when he told them to sneak into dragonstone. When Otto said that all im thinking is does he really expect the kingsguard to just go out there gunsblazing, marching on those steps to murder the family without being faded by Caraxes.
Well let´s not forget that he once sailed to Dragonstone himself with some Knights as backup to challenge Caraxes and his Dragonrider himself when he stole the Egg meant for Baelon. Otto might be good at politics in general but his martial and strategic intellect seems to be seriously lacking.
@@denniseggert211 what I noticed, not only from him, but for most of the characters throughout the show is there are some decisions or actions they do when they sometimes forget that dragons effing exists. I hope in the war it's not like this. I hope the existance of dragons will be more prevalent with their thought process. It's just like how world powers today dont usually make wreckless decisions because of nukes and m.a.d.
The dragons would not have been a factor. Any murdering that happened would have happened INSIDE the castle.
He should have fled to dragonstone on Sunfyre right away his sister would have protected him if he went to her and said he didn’t want it
Do you have a cope explanation for why Rhaenys would slaughter hundreds of innocents but refuse to kill the greens she caught in the process of committing a coup against her sworn Queen? I really hate that the show-writers even put her in that position to have the opportunity. It makes so little sense to me, I was completely thrown out of my immersion and has left a sour outlook on the future of the show for me.
1. She doesn’t know how this story unfolds, maybe she believes bloodshed can be avoided.
2. Literally one night ago she dined with her family and the dying king whom she loved and heard his wish of the family uniting. What makes anyone thing it would in character for it to be easy for her to kill her relatives?
3. The people she killed are commoners, targaryens are royalty and as good as any of them is, they don’t give a fuck about peasants.
4. She didn’t confront the killing of the peasants, it was in the heat of her waking up imprisoned in the middle of the coup and desperately wanting to escape.
What is dumb here is certainly not that she didn’t kill her relatives and not even that she killed peasants.
What is dumb is that they had her smash the fucking floor for no reason (how didn’t she smash her head?) when we have seen in previous scenes that the dragon pit has ways out.
They could have made her fly in from the same door she exited and kill 10 peasants in her landing, not 100.
Thank you! I was wondering this the whole time. Like when the 2 knights fought over him I kept wondering why they weren't like "oh shit you found him, awesome!" lol
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Sorry for your loss. I'm glad you can find some distraction from such a difficult situation.
Kind of wish they hadn't gone with that deathbed misunderstanding. I think you can take that away and still have everything else that happens take place.
Alicent goes along with her father and decides Ageon should be king but is annoyed that it was being planned behind her back and being against the decision to kill Rhaenyra etc.
Good work robert! Can’t see this king not going bad like joeffry
Thank you for this video, adds a lot of context and clears things up for the audience.
Only thing missing in the episode was the Benny Hill music.
I cant wait for 2nd season
Still one episode left
I thought this episode showed Otto's duplicity and manipulation very clearly. He told Alicent that Raenera will kill her children if she takes the throne since the realm will never support her if a male air exists. He used that to convince Alicent that Raenare must be usurped. And now he's saying "oh we must kill Raenera and her children, we have no choice, her supporters will fight otherwise". Oh, so it turns out the realm would not rise up against the Raenera after all, you just told Alicent all those years ago what you would do if you were in a position of power and thought there are others who have a claim.
I suppose Otto shares one thing in common with Ned Stark- when thinking about what others would do in a situation, he projects what *he* would do onto them.
Otto is ruthless but he is 100% right. Bloodshed was inevitable
@@riccardocirielli That's not Otto being right. Bloodshed was inevitable BECAUSE of men like him. BECAUSE he was the mastermind who plotted the coup. Self-fulfilling prophecies don't make for "I told you so" moments.
Imagine being so naive to believe that Rhaenyra or Daemon wouldn't have Viserys' sons killed
@@riccardocirielli Rhaenyra tried to find ways to bind the families together that were rejected in the end. If that had happened she probably wouldn’t have ended marrying Daemon and I don’t think she would kill children unprovoked
ive just started watching the video but from what I gleaned, Otto wanted to scare Aegon into murdering his sister, while Alicent wanted to keep her alive
Right!? It seemed pretty obvious to me too, but I guess a lot of folks on these sorts of channels were confused for some reason.
I'm still confused, why would he do that? I don't remember them saying anything about it.
Send help lol
I have never read nor seen the word ‘glean’ until now. Thanks for this!
@@pluckybellhop66 because Otto has been saying all season since he's wanted Aegon as king, that Rhaenyra will need to die otherwise Aegon will have someone fight him for the throne.
This is one of the best channels on TH-cam. Please keep up the good work my guy.
Otto Hightower is one of the best characters on this show and with Paddy gone I’d say he’s arguably the best actor on the show. If they end up changing Otto’s end (which I think is going to happen) I hope we get a little more background on Otto.
Nothing like a good ole egg hunt!
who else screamed DRACARYS during this episode...bull you at least thought it.
I read the book and knew it wasnt going to happen but still did this lol
I screamed it I think it was seven times😮😮😂
What's the point, we all know they weren't going to die because then they'd be no show! Stupid scene in the end tbh.
At the very least she should have barbecued Otto.
DRACARYS MOTHER FUCKERS
The bigger question is the coincidence that he was hidden away by Mysaria upon the death of the King. Did she poison the King and hold him for an exchange for the highest bidder. The servant girl was waiting for the men to come looking for him...
They need more episodes like these. I love how intimate it felt. Not so shallow. And you could feel even the importance and talents of the gold cloak knights. And rhaenys getting lost in the crowd separated from the defected gold cloak Eryk.
Such a good episode. Probably the best one yet, in my book.
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The show is so much better than the Amazon one. Brings me back to first seasons of GoT
@@MeLoveParisHilton same dude. I honestly see a trend between having limited budget and good shows. Not that a big budget makes bad shows, but a lower budget definitely encourages creativity and focus more on story rather than expensive gimmicks.
See I thought Otto was having him brought outside the city because he was going to give Aegon some gold and send him away so he could crown Aemond instead. Guess I read that wrong.
Otto always fought for Aegon being king. Unless it was in the book he never showed any interest for Aemond besides for his big dragon.
its simple, whoever has the king in their possession controls the kingdom.
They raced for Aegon because they had no idea what to do in this episode and had to manufacture some really bad and pointless drama. Nothing is going to stop Otto from just talking to Aegon later about his plan.
Thank you for explaining this. I didnt fully grasp why they both wanted him before the other. Appreciate it
"Beware the beast beneath the boards"
Was about Aegon. If you give him power, he'll abuse it.
I think that was just the dragon popping up from beneath the pit. Aegon wasn't really "beneath the boards" which infers something out of sight. Aegon was always highly visible since his birth and questioned Rhaenya's succession way before he was even crowned.
Alicent is not dominant over Aegon, she’s ever negligent of him- her control is now on ice because of it. Hence him saying, ‘do you love me mother?’ at an inappropriate time.
She’s going to find herself in a serious situation because he grew up hearing: ‘you are no son of mine!’
And now she’s going to demand he run a kingdom by her rules?? Yikes😬
You give good interpretation, sir
Can you please do a up to date family tree video with current actors? Think that video would do very well
Otto was clearly right. Alicent didn't have the stomach to make the hard call and that mercy will caused thousands more to die.
Otto just wanted soul custody of Aegon, particularly so he could sign off on questionable deeds before his mother's interference. Note that alicent says you grandfather will try to persuade you to kill rhaenyra and co. Don't do that. That was basically the point. It would have been too late to "recall the ravens" once the assassins were greenlit.
Also I think Otto was trying to secure a show tywin/tommen relationship. Where tywin thought finally a boy I might make a great king out of though I don't think he knows what he's in for.
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I think Otto's long-laid plan isn't really about installing Aegon but rather killing him and then blaming on Rhaenyra. If not, I can't think why Arryk tell Aegon that the Hand wants to meet him outside the city wall.
I mean…Aemond would probably be a better choice but risky because less pliant
I think Otto was planning to hide him away and keep the news from spreading further.
I'm not sure otto is callous enough to kill his own grandson. Perhaps he wanted to keep him out of Kings landing so neither he nor allicent would have any real authority, and if rhaenyra attacks she doesn't kill the king.
@@FreyaEinde aemond wouldn't be the king though, it'd be aegon's son jahaerys.
@@mappingshaman5280 On the succession question, Westeros isn't strictly primogeniture. In the Great Council of 233, Meagor (the more senior son's son) is omitted in favour of Aegon V (the less senior son). And succession itself isn't 100% about the law.
Aemond would be a more inspring king, and Daeron the Daring would be a king with direct influence from Oldtown.
Otto was right in his strategy!
I thought this was obvious. (evidently not lol)
Like why Rhaenys didn't "Dracarys!" the greens, but a much more in-universe answer.
Like, Rhaenys didn't have her dragon torch everybody on that dais because that would effectively end the entire story, for all practical purposes, right then and there, if she had.
But, the reason there was a "race to find Aegon first" was so whomever had him could persuade him to do their respective bidding, etc.
(like you laid out so succinctly here lol in this video! 👍)
That's a good question. Thanks
I like how you compared Aegon and Joffrey. I get the feeling Aegon may have a touch of that Targaryen madness.
you mean rhaenyra right ?
I never believed in that Targaryen madness shit. I feel it’s more of the people they have around them being yes men and just the fact being a king gives you the power hungry stupid decision making, bc not every Targaryen was mad just the ones who let the power of being king get to their head
Are some mad because of being a Targaryen or because they're inbred.
@@johnpepper8603 How? Rhaenyra in her adulthood has been perhaps one of the most sane characters in the show.
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You actually defended and explained things rather well. I, personally, felt that the conflict was contrived, as ultimately neither had any real reason to oppose one another. Both wanted Aegon on the throne, and neither had any reason to oppose him. War with Rhaenyra is pretty much inevitable, and Alicent is being more than a little naive to believe otherwise. But if there were any chance for peace at all, crowning Aegon quickly and making everything appear to be entirely legitimate to head things off does make some sense.
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Otto wanted an order for Reanyra and her kids be put to the sword and Alicent wanted to cut a deal with her.
A deal she gave later in the story to divide westeros in half
Very nice breakdown!
The "blacks" should have anticipated the usurping well in advance, it's not like otto was keeping his wishes secret. Vaegar was the only real threat to them. They should have used Daemon and Rhaenyra's knowledge of the red keeps secrets passages and eliminated Aemond long before Viserys' death.
I don't know exactly what happens in the books but, I would love it if Aegon pulled a Jeoffrey and went batshit crazy and neither Alicent nor Otto could control him, and Otto would have to watch how all his efforts to put his blood on the Iron Throne leads to a lunatic on the Iron Throne who wreaks absolute havoc and gets them all killed.
To stretch out the green council into an entire episode. They had to create pointless conflict. The worse episode of the season.
Great analysis!
Alicent knew how shrewd and self serving her father is. She may be a villain, but she has more decency.
Alicent's hypocrisy is so infuriating. Yeah, help your son to usurp his sister's throne and pray he won't kill her. He'll just make her dragon food instead.
i dont think the book is different, it just omits things we dont know
or the maesters dont know
Most of the accounts in book are from Mushroom so things could have or not have had happened.
@@Jonathan_D12 it's all a cover-up!
@@hershelfotus1068 yea exactly
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I think Otto was going to have him “disappear” forever and place the crown on Aemond’s head since he would’ve been the more suitable ruler of the two.
Please make a vide about the queen foot power.
Good! I didn't understand why was this race for him!
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I think that Otto is afraid of Damen. How does he expect to assassinate. I’f Danen is there
Great video as always. Don't see the History of Westeroes link in the description.
Alicent believed she was carrying out the kings final wish. This was because the king was delirious in his last moments and thought he was talking to his daughter about the SOIAF prophecy. I believe she would have opposed Otto completely if she did not have that final conversation.
Otto has been trying to bend Aegon to his will since he was a child and wanted to control him and the throne through him and Alicent knew it. I'm pretty sure Aegon is well aware of this and is in part why he didn't want to be king, look at the death stare he gave Otto at his coronation.
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Alicent heard what she WANTED to hear. She's as depraved as her father. She has no pure intentions.
Thanks this was stupid obscure in the show
The most threatening words spoken between Otto and the White Wyrm were Otto's : "I will remember."
That "as you wish" from Otto though
Alicent: I want diplomacy
Otto: I want my competition dead
Aemond: Diplomacy hold my beer
Daemon - kids and their games
Yes, the stakes for this was not evident, but was to avoid the hand persuading Aegon to kill the rightful queen, but like Cerci its to ensure she remains in control.
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When I first watched the episode I got it all wrong. I thought Otto wanted to murder the useless Aegon so Aemond could take the throne... That was reinforced when one of the knight brothers said to Aegon that Otto would meet him outside the city walls.
I also had a hard time understanding why that one brother just looked on and went away not helping. I guess that's when he decided to actively support Rhaenyra?
Now aegon has the reigns, none will be able to handle him.
I understood the race to mean that Otto intended to get rid of Aegon and seat Aemon instead.
I like how a very recurring assumption is that Aegon is easily swayed and stupid, but we haven't seen him behaving that stupidly so far. He's not an idiot, he just has no business acting smart. So I really don't know how he will react to his mmother and grandfather advice. We'll see.
Tom Glynn Carney (Aegon's Actor) has stated a few times in interviews that Aegon is generally underestimated due to the amount of degenerate shit he partakes in - "There is a deep darkness to Aegon, one that can’t be quenched, making him incredibly dangerous and unpredictable. He is intelligent and has a keen eye for the weak spots of others. The man is a tight ball of knots and tangles, and we get a small glimpse of his potential in Season 1."
@@abdulla10955 wow so that means he's actually Joffrey
Would you please, please, please do a video that discusses whether or not any dragon rider rode more than one dragon? We know some dragons had more than one rider (Balerion being the first and foremost that comes to mind.) I’ve read all of ASOIAF and some of the supplementary material, but I’m genuinely curious about this specifically. Viserys didn’t take another. Was that common or was he expected to? Either way, thank you for your content. I stay up late on Sunday evenings for your live streams. 😊
You can say Joffrey Velaryon rode both Tyraxes and Syrax, but only veeeeery briefly (and that did not work out well for him) and a number of people rode different dragons TOGHETHER with their riders (for example, baby Daemon rode Meleys in his first days of life with his mother, since Meleys was her dragon). But someone ACTAULLY BONDING to TWO dragons, no, no one comes to mind.
I mean it was covered in the episode, Alice nt tells Aegon to ignore the order to kill Raynera and Daemon
Robert, I think that Aegon didn't want 2 be King. He only liked it after the crowd cheered 4 him. I think he's going be another Jeofrey.
I don't understand how Alicent thinks Rhaenyra can be saved. Aegon is crowned, he is the Lord of the Seven Kingdoms. To deny the king is to commit treason and is punishable by death. In this very episode, we saw more than 1 person executed for just such an offense, and Alicent has already admitted that Rhaenyra will never bend. What exactly does she think the outcome is going to be of someone who sits in defiance of the kings power?
Imprisonment, probably. It's possible she intends to hold her as a royal hostage in the event she never bends.
@@fvefve12 yep, she definitely still cares for Rhaenyra, as pointed out by Otto in their private conversation. Episode 8 also really showed how she really did long for Rhaenyra and basically wanted to make up after Rhaenyra apologized and also acknowledged her effort and loyalty to Viserys
It's silly the way they're trying to present alicent as not ready for a huge death match vs. Rhaynera
It was Otto sent them to death, he could because there was no king. Alicent believes this can be settled without violence. She thinks she can convince Aegon to spare Rhaenyra’s live, and at the same time convince Rheanyra to accept Viserys’s “last word”. That’s what she intended to do.
It is kind of weird that she goes from trying to stab to peace just because the creepy old leper told her to.
Janet Jackson said it best, "control!"
Egg on looks like Evan Peters at quick glance
Did you forget to put a link to the channel with whom you say you made this video? - History of Westeros?
I do think alicent thought she was doing what Viserys wanted, even if she was wrong.
Dangle a young child before him and he'll probably do what you want.
Edit: I mean a carrot. Dangle a young carrot...
It annoyed me that you watch episodes where it jumps 10 years yet this one episode was taken up with just hunting down Aegon ( such a waste especially when there’s only one episode left in this season ) !
I know! It is so odd. But the remaining seasons are going to be fire! Much more detail and that story building writing you saw in GoTs. I'm excited.
they already have a stopping point for the season. Also the time jumps were meant to get to this point. It was the hardest part of the show because they had 20 years of story to tell of how we got here. Now they can relax and actually slowly tell the real story. The time jumps were necessary. Think of the last 3 episodes as a separate movie from the rest of the season.
the last scene of the season is already marked down
👏. Yea a bit confusing. I get the basics but
Is there is a link to the History of Westeros channel in the description? Because I don't see it...
i cant find the history of westeros link?
Alicent would be stupid to let Aegon fire the entire council. These are the guys who backed him in taking power and are the only people he are sure are in his corner even if they are there for personal gain. But as far as Otto is concerned, that's his grandson, so at the end of the day, he's going to do everything in his power to make the people perceive that Aegon has a good reign. Now. with alicent whispering in his ear is sure to happen, but aegon literally doesn't care about ruling so Otto will still be able to have his way here since he'll be drafting the policy and having aegon sign off on it or better yet tell him to go drink and sleep around while Otto does all the work. Win win for both of them.
I feel like this episode should have been called "The Amazing Race", instead of "The Green Council" haha. Less councilling, more racing/hunting.
P.S. R.I.P. Cole Kingmaker 🤴🏼
Huh, totally unrelated [probably] but does the dragon's pupil at 2:06 strike anyone else as similar in shape to Aegon's dagger? I wonder what the significance of that is
In regards to Larys Strong. According to the story. He would be the uncle of Strong Bastards. So either side wins hot d . He could play both sides. Green or Black. However I would think the Blacks would kill him before they would show their feet.
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