Each spy for their own self interests. Leading to no one actually being helped. I think there will be irony. The White Worm wants to protect the children of King's landing, but she'll end up killing one of Halaena's children. Larys wants to help his power but he ends up executed and powerless.
This spy war / spy-masters dynamic I enjoyed quite a bit on HotD. For me HotD portrayed this very well in the way they set it up and their interpretation from the text. As with a lot in HotD there is a lot of filling in , navigating multiple often conflicting accounts and generally connecting the dots from F&B. Especially in terms of nuance , motivations and particulars there is a lot we are left speculating about and trying to truly discern from the text. With these spy-masters and spy war i liked how HotD presented it , how it seems the spy-masters are lining up and showing us some of the foundations of their perspectives and motivations. Which i am sure will take twists and turns as HotD goes along. HotD is brilliant , huge fan of it myself though in some cases some of their interpretations from the text that can be said to be clear divergences tbh weren't always my favorite ; like Laenor's survival, Rhaenys' role at Aegon II's coronation , how they presented Aemond killing Luke among other choices etc. But this brewing spy-war HotD presented quite well in an engaging and intriguing way. Will be interesting to see motivations , perspectives , how these spy-masters use their networks & operatives and who they will serve at given times. It will likely be an evolving process. We do have some hints and info about all this from the text to infer certain aspects. But i really appreciated how HotD specifically presented this whole concept / its dynamics , to me it was very well done. Very much look forward to seeing it all play out on the show / HotD's interpretation of this whole aspect of the narrative.
I like how George is a little goblin in Fire & Blood. Everytime a strange event happened he would write something like "Some people say it was the clubfoot that did it but we will never know", i fucking love you George!
I really really really hope they don’t take away Daemon’s involvement in the King’s Landing plot. THERE IS SO MUCH THEY CAN DO WITH ONE RAVEN TO MYSARIA.
The way the show fleshed out the White Worm, is one thing I think they did well in the show. And I hope they continue tp give us more with her. The conceit of the book means "little people" like Mysaria are overlooked or denigrated, and the show would do well to subvert that.
i agree, i hope they do more with her regarding her high regard for the little people since they play such a large role as well as having a real character to root for
I'm willing to bet that, at least in the show, Blood & Cheese will have been orchestrated by Mysaria, with no involvement from Rhaenyra or Daemon, as retaliation for the burning of her manse. Rhaenyra/Daemon will just be given the blame because it's in the wake of the Lucerys incident, and it seems like something Daemon would do. Anything the historians can use to undermine Rhaenyra's cause. As for the seeming contradiction with Mysaria's stated goal of protecting children, it could be interpreted in three ways: 1. She feels justified since the burning of her manse makes sense as retaliation by Otto Hightower; 2. She wants to protect the _common_ children who otherwise have no one else looking out for them, and therefore feels nothing for royal children; 3. She wants to strike back at the greens, while (for her safety) maintaining the illusion that she perished in the fire and striking back in a way that can be attributed to Daemon. It would also be a way for her to make good on her poorly veiled threat to Otto in Ep9.
Suspect they won’t since it’s just another way of making Damon and Rhaenyra look good. Imagine part of the idea is showing the downfall of these people we’ve seen since being children and young adults so just making it a misunderstanding would be cheap
@paultiplady3179 It wouldn't strictly be misunderstanding - it would be revenge, false flag operations, children suffering for the sins of the parents, and history being written by the victor. Sounds very George R. R. Martin-esque, doesn't it?
Honestly that would be a cowardly thing to do on the show runners part, trying to make Rhaenayra and Daemon look like better people than they are (Daemon was always a piece of shit)
Thing is, all of the book is given through the pen of a narrator who has an own agenda. It is very much an open question just how much is placed or hinted as being varses by Daemon than actually was something he did or was involved in. History events are often messy with many different actions and agendas being pursued by lots of people. And history books often simplify. Would it be lazy or “wrong” or missed narratives if show runners doesn’t add in this kind of complexity? From my view, that mainly boils down to how it is done.
@@X525Crossfire You can't cry about historians undermining Rhaenyra's cause by making that connection when they also claimed that Aemond intentionally and brutally kinslayed too. At some point, ya'll need to reconcile with the fact that the histories is not exactly anti-Rhaenyra.
The White Worm and the Clubfoot... Who will come out ahead? My prediction for season 2 is that Mysaria will be covered in burns from her near escape, her face constantly shrouded under that white hood
I'll take a serving of Blood and Cheese in season 2 Robert! Hoping for alot of seedy characters and sell sword mercenaries changing sides and killing off characters!
Now this is the analysis and predictions I am looking for Robert! Thanks for the lack of spoilers, I find the source material pretty dry or lacking without the show itself. So I am holding off on finishing the book for now. Thanks as usual!
Not a lot of time for Mysera this first season, but they made a point to introduce her early all the same because she's going to be a big player in time. Now that everyone is a bit older and all vying for the Throne, all the Spy Masters will become much more important.
The main GOT show had Littlefinger vs Varys. It's only right that the new show has two spymasters going at each other, yet again. Luckily, this time around, one of the two spymasters is attractive, not a weirdo, and definitely has goals that each of us can get behind. So I imagine most of us are going to wind up rooting for Myseria in this little tit-for-tat.
@@fionarangel9486 No, I'm only referring to one of them. Let me explain: I don't find dudes attractive. So that's strike one. Strike two is that Larys just comes off to me as a straight CREEP, especially with his foot fetish (justified though it may be). I don't find that attractive either. No one should be attracted to creeps. Creeps do creepy things.
If Larys were not such a murderous git, he might realise that teaming up with Myseria would be an incredibly powerful alliance. Myseria as the strategist and Larry as the executive. For Larys, any way to power and influence should be acceptable - Or would it?
See I kinda want that as well. Yet what a serve it for be of Myseria to be responsible while blaming Daemon (and possible Larys? not sure where it falls in the timeline been a while since I read b&f). Taking revenge on the people who tried to kill her and the person who wronged her and left her for nothing
"Worst of all: he could be any one of us. He could be in this very chamber! It could be YOU, it could be ME! It could even b..."*crossbow bolt to the head
"What is the life of one noble child? I have seen hundred dead children, suddenly it matters because they were fancy clothes and have a fancy name?" - Mysaria probably
Yeah I think it's a reasonable way to see it. We couldn't come to a conclusion about it when we first saw it, but that was definitely a way that was seen... I'm sure they'll express who it was in season 2
Yeah, I couldn't watch that feet scene. It effectively demonstrated how influential Larys Strong has become (also how creepy he was). Edit: Yeah, it was about power and control. Who else but Larys could get away with that?
@Pastel Pomeranian Ummm he’s not a peasant. He’s the Lord of Harenhall. It has nothing to do with a classist reversal of power; it’s about denigrating her. Seeing how far she will go, how much power he holds over her. How thirsty she is for information.
@@melanatedqueen6662 That's pretty much what I said but super dumned down for the op. He's getting off on the fact that he can literally make the QUEEN do whatever he wants. Whatever sordid and embarrassing thing he can think of and I do believe he's got a sexual kink for it, hence the masturbation scene.
Each spy for their own self interests. Leading to no one actually being helped. I think there will be irony. The White Worm wants to protect the children of King's landing, but she'll end up killing one of Halaena's children. Larys wants to help his power but he ends up executed and powerless.
Who would dare executing a crippled man
@@Al4___ a wolf.
*laughs in little finger*
@@Al4___does it really matter that he's crippled? He's a murderer. Didn't stop Littlefinger.
@@shaundavies3227exactly
This spy war / spy-masters dynamic I enjoyed quite a bit on HotD. For me HotD portrayed this very well in the way they set it up and their interpretation from the text. As with a lot in HotD there is a lot of filling in , navigating multiple often conflicting accounts and generally connecting the dots from F&B. Especially in terms of nuance , motivations and particulars there is a lot we are left speculating about and trying to truly discern from the text. With these spy-masters and spy war i liked how HotD presented it , how it seems the spy-masters are lining up and showing us some of the foundations of their perspectives and motivations. Which i am sure will take twists and turns as HotD goes along. HotD is brilliant , huge fan of it myself though in some cases some of their interpretations from the text that can be said to be clear divergences tbh weren't always my favorite ; like Laenor's survival, Rhaenys' role at Aegon II's coronation , how they presented Aemond killing Luke among other choices etc.
But this brewing spy-war HotD presented quite well in an engaging and intriguing way. Will be interesting to see motivations , perspectives , how these spy-masters use their networks & operatives and who they will serve at given times. It will likely be an evolving process. We do have some hints and info about all this from the text to infer certain aspects. But i really appreciated how HotD specifically presented this whole concept / its dynamics , to me it was very well done. Very much look forward to seeing it all play out on the show / HotD's interpretation of this whole aspect of the narrative.
I like how George is a little goblin in Fire & Blood. Everytime a strange event happened he would write something like "Some people say it was the clubfoot that did it but we will never know", i fucking love you George!
I really really really hope they don’t take away Daemon’s involvement in the King’s Landing plot. THERE IS SO MUCH THEY CAN DO WITH ONE RAVEN TO MYSARIA.
“We were all focused on Larys and Allicent’s feet at the time” 💀😭
The way the show fleshed out the White Worm, is one thing I think they did well in the show. And I hope they continue tp give us more with her. The conceit of the book means "little people" like Mysaria are overlooked or denigrated, and the show would do well to subvert that.
i agree, i hope they do more with her regarding her high regard for the little people since they play such a large role as well as having a real character to root for
I think that has mostly to do with the narrative of the books. maesters don’t really care to write about common people
@@Lgrftgf That was pretty much the point, yes
I'm willing to bet that, at least in the show, Blood & Cheese will have been orchestrated by Mysaria, with no involvement from Rhaenyra or Daemon, as retaliation for the burning of her manse. Rhaenyra/Daemon will just be given the blame because it's in the wake of the Lucerys incident, and it seems like something Daemon would do. Anything the historians can use to undermine Rhaenyra's cause.
As for the seeming contradiction with Mysaria's stated goal of protecting children, it could be interpreted in three ways: 1. She feels justified since the burning of her manse makes sense as retaliation by Otto Hightower; 2. She wants to protect the _common_ children who otherwise have no one else looking out for them, and therefore feels nothing for royal children; 3. She wants to strike back at the greens, while (for her safety) maintaining the illusion that she perished in the fire and striking back in a way that can be attributed to Daemon. It would also be a way for her to make good on her poorly veiled threat to Otto in Ep9.
Suspect they won’t since it’s just another way of making Damon and Rhaenyra look good. Imagine part of the idea is showing the downfall of these people we’ve seen since being children and young adults so just making it a misunderstanding would be cheap
@paultiplady3179 It wouldn't strictly be misunderstanding - it would be revenge, false flag operations, children suffering for the sins of the parents, and history being written by the victor. Sounds very George R. R. Martin-esque, doesn't it?
Honestly that would be a cowardly thing to do on the show runners part, trying to make Rhaenayra and Daemon look like better people than they are (Daemon was always a piece of shit)
Thing is, all of the book is given through the pen of a narrator who has an own agenda. It is very much an open question just how much is placed or hinted as being varses by Daemon than actually was something he did or was involved in.
History events are often messy with many different actions and agendas being pursued by lots of people. And history books often simplify.
Would it be lazy or “wrong” or missed narratives if show runners doesn’t add in this kind of complexity? From my view, that mainly boils down to how it is done.
@@X525Crossfire You can't cry about historians undermining Rhaenyra's cause by making that connection when they also claimed that Aemond intentionally and brutally kinslayed too. At some point, ya'll need to reconcile with the fact that the histories is not exactly anti-Rhaenyra.
The White Worm and the Clubfoot... Who will come out ahead? My prediction for season 2 is that Mysaria will be covered in burns from her near escape, her face constantly shrouded under that white hood
Oooh, interesting idea! I like how you're thinking here...
Maybe her vocal cords are also burned so her accent is less distractingly bad as well.
I'll take a serving of Blood and Cheese in season 2 Robert! Hoping for alot of seedy characters and sell sword mercenaries changing sides and killing off characters!
House of the Dragon was one of the best TV series of 2022 - and I fully came in expecting it to suck.
Now this is the analysis and predictions I am looking for Robert! Thanks for the lack of spoilers, I find the source material pretty dry or lacking without the show itself. So I am holding off on finishing the book for now. Thanks as usual!
Not a lot of time for Mysera this first season, but they made a point to introduce her early all the same because she's going to be a big player in time. Now that everyone is a bit older and all vying for the Throne, all the Spy Masters will become much more important.
Littlefinger + Varys = Larys
The main GOT show had Littlefinger vs Varys. It's only right that the new show has two spymasters going at each other, yet again. Luckily, this time around, one of the two spymasters is attractive, not a weirdo, and definitely has goals that each of us can get behind. So I imagine most of us are going to wind up rooting for Myseria in this little tit-for-tat.
Attractive and not a weirdo? Are you suggestion Larys isn't a weirdo? And who was the weirdo with Petyr and Varys? Daft remark
@@fionarangel9486 I'm talking about Myseria, genius.
@@jacob4920 you're obviously talking about her being attractive, it's just that you're also suggesting that neither of them are weird 🤨
@@fionarangel9486 No, I'm only referring to one of them. Let me explain:
I don't find dudes attractive. So that's strike one. Strike two is that Larys just comes off to me as a straight CREEP, especially with his foot fetish (justified though it may be). I don't find that attractive either. No one should be attracted to creeps. Creeps do creepy things.
I hope you are right about this. There's not near enough intrigue in HotD.
If Larys were not such a murderous git, he might realise that teaming up with Myseria would be an incredibly powerful alliance. Myseria as the strategist and Larry as the executive.
For Larys, any way to power and influence should be acceptable - Or would it?
Not when Alicent is getting them feet out for him😂😂😂😂
It will be hard to beat the great spy storylines in GoT with Varys and Littlefinger that led to …. absolutely nothing.
It led everyone to keep watching until the end didn't it 😂😂😂
It will in the books though
@@epicLEKLE the books?? oh, you sweet summerchild.
@@FlyWithMe_666 Even if George doesn’t finish them, somebody else will. Still have hopes for Winds at least
@@kmcd3020 That doesn't make sense, because Little Finger died in season 7, and besides anyone paying attention stopped caring long before that.
I loved the colors and art of this episode, it was very well done!
Excellent video!
I'm on the white worm side.
I hope they stick with Daemon orchestrating B&C
See I kinda want that as well. Yet what a serve it for be of Myseria to be responsible while blaming Daemon (and possible Larys? not sure where it falls in the timeline been a while since I read b&f). Taking revenge on the people who tried to kill her and the person who wronged her and left her for nothing
She is the true King!
She is a boss!
"Worst of all: he could be any one of us. He could be in this very chamber! It could be YOU, it could be ME! It could even b..."*crossbow bolt to the head
Greetings Robert, I subscribed to your new TH-cam channel 😀
I would love to see a video on what you think larys motives were in fire and blood
The "protect the children" motivation seems odd given what happens next...
perhaps its common children she cares about
"What is the life of one noble child? I have seen hundred dead children, suddenly it matters because they were fancy clothes and have a fancy name?" - Mysaria probably
The clubfoot was the greens Master of whispers and Masyria Te blacks mistress of whispers.
Mysaria is going to get morphed into the Shepherd
Oooh, that could be
8:36 I had a completely different interpretation of that scene. I thought that was Aemond torching the brothel because of that bit of humiliation.
Yeah I think it's a reasonable way to see it. We couldn't come to a conclusion about it when we first saw it, but that was definitely a way that was seen...
I'm sure they'll express who it was in season 2
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Larys certainly put his best foot forward…..errr so to speak.
Got you with the like and comment bro 👍 👍
Clubfoot had a better game than Littlefinger could’ve ever hoped to have been.
She started the Dance😮
Yeah, I couldn't watch that feet scene. It effectively demonstrated how influential Larys Strong has become (also how creepy he was). Edit: Yeah, it was about power and control. Who else but Larys could get away with that?
I completely missed the candle signal. I'm not good with that kind of thing.
Would you perhaps consider making a video on what Arianne and her compagnons find in the Rainwood in the winds of winter sample chapters?
Mysaria=Varys. I think Mysaria is still alive. Anyone else? And...of course Robert said it after I typed😁🖤
Spy vs Spy origins.
How is feet thing about power sone plz explain
Making someone in power do something low and disgusting for a peasant. He's getting off on the power reversal.
@Pastel Pomeranian
Ummm he’s not a peasant. He’s the Lord of Harenhall. It has nothing to do with a classist reversal of power; it’s about denigrating her. Seeing how far she will go, how much power he holds over her. How thirsty she is for information.
@@melanatedqueen6662 That's pretty much what I said but super dumned down for the op. He's getting off on the fact that he can literally make the QUEEN do whatever he wants. Whatever sordid and embarrassing thing he can think of and I do believe he's got a sexual kink for it, hence the masturbation scene.
..and it all means nothing at all.
aw ya going to be good.
💜
Soooo… totally didn’t realize she was the same person from episode 1 😂
Doesn’t seem like it …. They seem to be just rushing the show forgetting the characters…. I really hate what they cut out from boros 😩😩😩😩
I D G !!!!!
Why is there always a spy master that rhymes with Varys?
Oh that was part of Aegon’s prophetic dream.
We just haven’t yet heard about Barys and Dharis and Zalarys and Mindarys…
Always? What's another example besides Larys?
How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?
Varys + Littlefinger = Larys.
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What's his fetish with feet? (besides, him having malformed/deformed feet.)
Hope they fix her accent coz nah
Isn't it the actresses actual accent?
@@Pomshka Nah she talks with a posh English accent IRL.
Which accent? It changes around constantly
I apparently missed a lot ... wtf are we even on about... feet...? Tf?
Wormy feet
Never trust a man without eyebrows!
these shows are too confusing. burn em down.