There are many substances that are illegal to use but that varies from organizations and countries. It’s a very long list and while yes you are hiring a top physio and therapist, things can go wrong like in this case through contamination. I believe a better question would be why wasn’t his physio using gloves?
The fitness trainer was actually a pharmacist and should've known better. But he also claimed to have told the physio what was in the substance so he wouldn't use it around Sinner. The physio claims he was never told. They were both at fault. They're both gone, too.
@@billiey36 Yeah that part of him being a pharmacist and not know the risk of using that cream and touching people... I feel that's the part that doesn't make sense and it is hard to believe their explanation now
@@vicman877 It's on the pharmacist, though, not Jannik who had no idea that the product was even on site. The pharmacist says he told the physio what the product was. The pharmacist (strength trainer) and the physio are blaming each other.
I actually saw the change in Jannik just before the olympics. Tonsillitis often happens to people with weakened immune system. I was a bit worried that the strain of being no.1 was getting to him. He looked stressed to me. And the reaction when he beat Zverev was not typical. Like a scream of relief and anger combined. Cant imagine Jannik cheating bec he wont even cheat during wrong line calls.
@@Op_Panda_LiftingSimulator people are upset that higher ranked players dont get the same treatment as lower ranked players; intent is irrelevant in this case.
@@chopin1975-tq3gx if that’s the case, there’s another player called Marco Bortolotti who is no way near a big name himself, faced the exact same situation last year, he was treated exactly like Jannik, no suspension, no ban, not guilty. Points and prize money taken away as penalty. What now?
He doesn't deserve this. Getting hate for something that was completely outside of his control, and then having it weight down on him for the good half of 2024 season is hard.
Tested positive for one billionth of a gram (of this substance) that cannot affect the player's performance in any possible way. Ridiculous to even make such a big fuss over this
You have not even idea. At this level, you have a Pharmacologist calculating carefuly excretion time margin to adjust it to just the time when should dissapear. So minutes amounts are POSITIVE.
Unless the person was Chinese then the western press would be baying for their head. Just like the swimmers that tested for less than one part in a billion. They were crucified. Despite the purple faces of US swimmers.
Marco Bortolotti, a doubles player then above 100 in the rankings (currently 87), was tested last October during the Lisbon Challenger, tested positive for Clostebol, is a very similar case to Sinner who was judged the same way.
Biggest difference is that Yannik and his team seem to have had an immediate and logical explanation for how it was an accident (on all parts). Also, the drug is common in Italy and the amount found was deemed unable to enhance performance. Halep did not have (and still does not have) an explanation other than "oops, my bad!", the drug found is NOT common, and the amount was significant.
This physiotherapist Giacomo Naldi worked in a basketball team (Bologna). And from the time of his practice there, multiple reports from the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and the NADO suggested that some top Italian players had been negatively affected by Clostebol. Giacomo Naldi was therefore alerted, warned of the risks of contamination from using this type of product. It is unlikely that he was unaware of the consequences he could have had for Jannik by obtaining this spray. The thesis of negligence thus casts a certain shadow on his case. I dare believe that Jannik has removed him from his team!
Lol, Sinner and his team purposefully used the PED(steroids) and concocted the story as a back up in case they were caught. How hard is it to buy the said product and keep it on hand in case you need to have an explanation of how the PEDs got into Sinner’s system? Lol, don’t be so naive!
this rubbing on testosterone cream technique and other stuff is not new, check out the * How Olympic Sports Doping Actually Works | How Crime Works | Insider. Problem is Cahill i think is a clean coach, maybe Sinner as well as player. But why they work with Naldi is beyong me.
yeah things coming out publicly for other athletes also wasn't great for them either but they weren't allowed to have it kept as a secret for several months .....
To all the idiots who think the same of this guy. Rules: the TADP give to the player the right to defend himself thanks to "Confiability", in private. TO ALL of them
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
Simona Halep maintained her innocence for years. Sure, eventually her innocence was held up, years enough later, her career was ruined. So called justice.
@FabioSangiorgi-vu5eg no. That's because he is italian😂😂😂 and white😂😂😂 amazing how SOME group of ppl think they are special and need special treatment.... well in that case he actually got special treatment
@@KanatLSSinner has the financial means to pay for very expensive lawyers to defend against the doping agency. Is this a crime? It is unfair but low ranked players do not have the possibility to defend against the many abuses of the doping agency. This is a fact.
@FabioSangiorgi-vu5eg well tell that to halep and sharapova who were richer than yannik at the points of their careers were they got thrushed into the mud, they had enough money to get the best lawyers....but the head of the ATP/WTA was not russian or romanian unfortunately for them, yannik is fortunate to have an Italian ceo in the ATP .... don't defend yannik he got special treatment
I think it's the lack of transparency that Sinner tested positive and the investigation process that makes people question the fairness of the results of the investigation.
They couldn’t reveal it as the investigation is done anonymously, ie the the committee investigating the issue didn’t know the name of the player. So they had to wait for the conclusion of the investigation/have a verdict before revealing the name of the player. This helps the investigation to be impartial
That is how it works: • The player was issued with a provisional suspension for each of the findings. • On both occasions he successfully appealed the provisional suspensions to an independent arbitrator. • Once an appeal is successful, it remains anonymous. If Had the player’s appeal been turned down, it would have been announced.
@@janniksinner_updatesdude no. Sinner got special treatment no question. There is no way his appeal worked that quickly. Sharapova and Halep were suspended for over a year before they won their appeals and were found innocent. Look at Troicki, Gasquet, and Cilic. Sinner should have been suspended immediately but instead he was allowed to play with no consequences before it was even determined if it was intentional doping or not. That is unacceptable and the fact that they brushed it under the rug is very sketchy. The president of the ATP also being Italian doesn’t help the look of this favoritism.
@@anto-sk4ce Or maybe people possess reasoning skills that included questioning suspicious explanations like blaming the presence of a banned steroid on a massage. Then waiting almost 6 month to go public with not one, but two failed tests and two provisional suspensions. But $inner can afford good lawyers who make "donations" to the officials' favorite causes.
the bottom line is that they DO have different rules for different players. Shapo said it after this story broke. A former player named Rochus, from Belgium also said after he retired that they test different players differently, some with more frequency than others, etc. Henin tested positive and they covered it up because tennis’ gatekeepers would do anything to keep Serena from dominating(sorry gatekeepers, she STILL dominated). After Henin tested positive, the story was never leaked and she retired. Her temporary retirement lasted the exact amount of time that you’re suspended for a 1st drug offense. Coincidence? I think not. Gasquet tested positive for cocaine and he said that he kissed a girl and that she must’ve had coke on her lips. They let him off. This lame excuse that the spray on his physio’s finger and that THAT was enough to get into Sinner’s urine sample? Really? i said i was born AT NIGHT, not LAST NIGHT.
Don't kid yourself, they are all on a regimen that includes a comprehensive cocktail of substances, some that are allowed and some that are not. I dare say it is impossible to win 20+ Grandslams without a little extra help or even winning just one or two slams, impossible nowadays. Not just in Tennis by the way, in any sport. If you want to compete at the highest level, you need to get with the program and inject some Compound V. Serena is no different from Henin.I think somewhere around the 90s, you could see the athletic profile of tennis players changing. The sport was becoming physically more demanding and nowadays it's pretty near impossible to find a tennis player that isn't working out every day, on some sort of diet, meditation etc. etc. THAT, was very different back in the day, when players rarely exercised, smoked and drank, were overweight, you name it.
The man was caught with dope in his system players are banned for the same thing and same amount one does not need to be a lab tech to know this is wrong
Expert in what exactly? Deception? There are facts and many unknowns that this interview failed to address. Even with an above-average IQ, you don't need to be an 'expert' to analyze what is right in front of you.
@@housecanrun9198if case was disclosed at the very first stage, there wouldn’t be any impartial investigation as all the professors and experts and doctors involved would have known who they were investigating. Then you’d whine exactly the opposite way. Really hard to please, huh?
I think Sinner's theory is plausible. Furthermore, I don't consider this guy to be a 'cheater'. He's a sincere human being, a devoted sportsman and in the tennis game for the long run. He wants to become the next legend alongside Alcaraz, Rune and Medvedev. I believe he would never jeopardize his career by deliberately using banned substances. That's simply not the guy he is. Even more so, the level of this anabolic steroid in his blood was so low, he didn't even benefit from it. Zero. I've been following Sinner for a couple of years now and this whole fine mess just doesn't add up. I think this truly was a very unfortunate course of events. A stupid case of negligence. Let's not start cancelling Sinner, he is one of the good guys.
I have been Jannik’s fan for many years. I was shocked to hear this news at first. But after reading all the matters and listened to Darren, it cleared to me that Jannik was innocent. It explained why Jannik’s plays and his mental dropped down after Miami. If there was not this issue he might did better in RG and Wimbledon. I hope that the other players will have the chance to defend themselves the way Jannik did. I really felt sorry for Simona and don’t want it to happen to anyone.
Portraying an athlete as "victim" after being tested positive for doping, is not credible either. Facts: Professional physios always use gloves! I have never heard of such an unbelievable story - that´s a JOKE!
Why is it that so many Italian sportspersons keep getting caught with use of this substance, Clostebol. I know its over the counter in Italy, but that is no excuse. Pick a different ointment FFS not the one with steroids. Surely his camp is not that dumb. I actually think Sinner may be naive and just playing tennis. But his camp has let him down. Who know how he using this drug. It stinks 💩.
He is a cheater? Tested positive twice? Stripped of money and points from Indian Wells. It's a fact - whether you like it or not. Norway’s top female long-distance runner faced a 13-month ban for the same offense after using a lip balm prescribed by her doctor.
I can clearly understand the opinions of those saying that there hasn't been fair treatment of others for similar things, and that they got immensely wronged; but if that is so (and it is) why would we want to blatantly wrong Jannik too? It seems like, if instrumentalized correctly, it could be a good precedent and step forward for accidental doping contaminations NOT to ruin a lenghty period of a tennis player's career. Another noteworthy element in Jannik's case, which helped clear his case rather quickly, was the fact that they seemed to know exactly what had caused the positivity immediately; I wouldn't be too quick to think of this as a blatant double-standard situation for this reason as well.
Which makes is more suspicious. Knowing where the contamination came from. It’s all too fast like a script is prepared. The others were not at fast because they did not have a clue how they ingested the banned substance. They need to test all the supplements/healing creams that they use so they can identify what it was! This to me sounds more legit!
His fitness coach who is also in charge of antidoping protection for Jannik has to go. Darren just said that he is a pharmacist so he must have known esp since many italian athletes have tested positive for this substance. Therefore he failed to protect his player
@@davidepateri1514 ? what do you mean ? have they been released from Jannik's team ? I would 100% agree with that but what evidence do you have for this ? Nothing was stated by Darren or others to confirm this.
The trainer has to go. As Darren said, he’s a pharmacy owner and is well-versed in the banned substances list. Yet he was in possession of this spray and handed it to the physical therapist, knowing what the substance was and what it contained. At best, that’s negligence. At worst, he’s the Italian Victor Conti.
If you notice, the physio has not been in the team for months, now there is talk of the doctor. Of course they have to change him, it is total negligence.
All this for one billionth of a gram which wouldn't affect his tennis performance in any way whatsoever. Jannik still asked the physio about his finger and if he needed any treatment and the physio said no. There's not much more Jannik could have done.
These comments are all well and good. I raise the issue again, however, about the double standard here. Simona Halep was banned for more than a year and she claimed too that she knew nothing of ingesting a banned substance. She wasn't given the same treatment. Cahill was also Halep's coach. Don't know whether that was the case at the time of her ban. It's the double standard that is egregious. Cahill just stated that Halep's situation was also not fair but even more unfair as she was banned from playing for an extended period of time unlike Sinner.
@@susanantakikhan3262 What I've read about Halep's case is that the delay was caused initially because she and her team (her coach was Patrick Mouratoglou) seemingly could not work out how the banned substance got into her system, whereas with Sinner, his technical coach Umberto (not his physio Giacomo) was also a pharmacist so he knows about banned substances, but he was also the person who gave the can containing trace amounts of the banned substance to the physio for his finger cut, so that is gross negligence if not worse. They all knew immediately where the substance originated. That of course doesn't make it right and Sinner was right to part ways with them because they really tarnished his reputation. In Simona's case, luckily, like Sinner, she had the funds to hire good lawyers, but it took some time to work out that it was her collagen supplement that had been contaminated with the banned substance. Darren Cahill was not her coach at the time. In fact, he vouched for the integrity of her character because he had been her coach previously, and he knew how seriously she took what she put in her body as an athlete. Finally, at her trial, Mouratoglou admitted he had been at fault in handing her the contaminated collagen, which resulted in her FOUR YEAR ban being reduced to 9 months, but her career has been pretty much derailed in the last 2 years because of this. Djokovic spoke about Sinner's case and he said part of the reason of establishing a players union (PTPA) was to standardise what happens to ALL players when something like this occurs. At the moment I agree it's not a level playing field. Even if the ITIA couldn't find the origin of the banned substance, they chose to convict Halep without all the evidence. Definite double standards.
@@susanantakikhan3262 Halep was actually banned for 4 years, reduced to 9 months after her coach Mouratoglou testified at her trial that he was the one at fault for handing her the collagen that contained the banned substance. The difference between Halep and Sinner's case is that in his case his team knew immediately how the contamination occurred. Halep's case was more complex in that there was a pharmacy involved who made up her collagen supplement. I believe she is suing them? But yes, the fact Sinner wasn't suspended at all while the investigation took place is not fair at all. I believe both Sinner and Halep are victims of decisions their teams made. I feel really sorry for tennis players who can't afford expensive lawyers to clear their names.
You see it right from the start: the interviewer is friends with the coach, what an uncritical and complaisant interviewing. He had 5 months to prepare this fairy tale with the help of lawyers and HR and probably rehearsed it countless times. This story is perfectly shaped and gives a strange causal line of explanations. too perfect for reality :-)
yes, indeed. It would sound more plausible, if they made it public right after the event. That would have had significantly increased the innocence case. But less time for preparation..
Because unfortunately Halep actually assumed doping substances under form of dietary supplements. Sinner didn't assume anything. There is no discrepancy, only different situations.
Even a baby understands the difference. Stop laying dumb, you just heard that Halep did not know how the substance entered her system so she could not fight in court immediately.
That Italian spray has caused multiple doping cases in Italy. It’s widely available in Italy. “Jannik had no idea this existed” That doesn’t make sense at all😂😂😂😂
@@piscesgroovesupreme yeah his physio also didn’t know and there have been Italians tested positive because of that spray. How convenient Don’t be such a fool
It is available but widely known it effects athletes, so anyone applying it would know that....In Italy it specifically is labeled to contain steroids in any product with Glostabol. So their argument is utterly unprofessional garbage. No accountability. This all smells like 💩 to me.
@@piscesgroovesupreme If were a professional athlete from Italy, and a certain spray from Italy has caused multiple doping cases, it is my job to make sure that spray doesnt come close to me
@@waillachab284 pharmacist and successful? 😂😂😂😂 lmfaooo couldnt get into med school so here you are.....no wonder your family looks up to you, any degree is better when in a family of illiterates
Jannik Sinner is 100% innocent, the reason why they could keep this quite for so long is because they knew every aspect of this situation quickly, they knew where the drug came from how it got into Jannik's system and how it was applied, Like Cahill said. The reason they could supress this is because they knew the entire situation quickly and therefore were able to control it much better and release it to the public appropriately. This must be very difficult for Jannik.
Sinner suposed to be suspended Period whether mistake or not does not matter.. With this decision ATP widely opened the door for other players to do the same thing and quite rightly sue ATP if they get banned. I think this has just highlighted the level of coruption in ATP.
It doesn't and it didn't. He was cleared by a panel that didn't know if he was from a royal family or a family of corrupt politicians. Cahill saying that is most natural. He's using his _personal experience_ to reiterate Sinner's innocence.
Jannik's coach excellent professional!!! No wonder he is doind so well, such a knowledgeable person behind him! wondeful to follow the logic, the sincerity and the expertise! Always rooting for Jannik, believeing in him! SInner Forver fan from Madagascar
Sinner and Cahill have clearly explained what happened. Anti-doping has acquitted him. The case is closed. If instead you want to create useless controversy out of prejudice because you hate Sinner regardless, then that's another matter. There is none so deaf as he who will not hear.
I don’t think Jannik is a cheater, but the difference in treatment is too obvious in my opinion. Hope that from now on, the media and everyone else, start treating this type of cases with more respect.
There was no difference in treatment. Are you familiar with ITIA procedures? Their exact procedural guidelines were followed. They did the exact same thing for a player outside the top 100 who tested positive recently.
@@2394098234509 to add more context, the former case was Marco Bortolotti in October last year. Search his name and you’ll be able to find the whole story. Exact same situation as Jannik, Marco was investigated till March this year, during the investigation, he was NOT SUSPENDED and played couple of challenger tourneys. ITIA finished the investigation in March and Marco was found innocent. Thus NO BAN, just points deduction and fine as of Jannik’s case. If the governing body does the same thing and follows the same procedure to lower ranked players like Marco (102 CH ranking in doubles), and higher ranked players like Jannik, they are doing the right thing
Postponed the hearing 2 times, and when they got backlash decided to come up with the blood passport thing, which by the way was completely dismissed by CAS. To me IATA definitely wanted Halep to be guilty vs with Jannik it seems they were more opened to the story.
Excellent interview. The interviewer asked the right questions. Didn't sugarcoat anything or go on the offensive. The interviewee handled all the questions with evident discomfort but felt safe enough to be forthright. I've rooted for Jannik's success since the first time I got to know about him 4 years ago. Unfortunately for him and for the atp, i feel this won't go away quickly. I'm wondering if being public and transparent through the process along with a self imposed hiatus during this period might've helped him gain more credibility with the players on both tours. He's a nice guy no doubt but is bound to feel some heat in the locker room.
Ahahhahhahahahhahahha!!!! These excuses are so absurd when you realize the multiple tests you must fail, and the amount that must be in your urine to fail. Not to mention that Italian law dictates the packaging have a big “wada” warning on it.
Troicki was banned from playing tennis for 18 months, for failing to provide a blood sample at the Monte-Carlo Masters event, and they just reduced Sinner's points after 2 failed doping tests, disgrace
@zanderixx6322 Why are you responding to me? What I said is 100% accurate with no opinion stated. I corrected someone's error. Some people would say "thank you." Go cry to someone else.
ATP players association should have a fund for all players to use to defend themselves in these cases. Not at all fair that the lower players that are more vulnerable to errors are also more at risk.
What amazes me most is how he dealt with all the background nosie and still won cincy. Dont leave a comment underneath saying “oh its cos hes juiced up” .
To play at that level with that kind of stress is amazing, as you said. Knowing this was going on gives that hug between Sinner's 2 coaches a different perspective, doesn't it? No wonder Jannik mentioned the problems they had been putting up with and how much he appreciated the people around him who understood him.
1. She is a woman Jannik is a man 2. She is unpopular Jannik is not 3. The chairman of the ATP is Italian, Jannik is Italian 4. Jannik is currently at the top of the men’s game, Simona was not. 5. He’s in a position of privilege, to the extent he believes the decision is fair
"We never knew the spray and never seen it before" But when news came up about testing positive you knew it is the spray right? the one you have never seen before haha sure...
That's the point, i am italian, but i admit that is our most famous point, we couldn't know about something, but then we wake up in 2 seconds (oh sorry now i get why, please believe me, i swear it, trust me, i would never lie) in italy we do this play since 6 years old, or earlier...😂😂😂🥳🥳🤡🤡 it is just the way it is
I heard they (SINNER'S TEAM) even kept ticket (receipt of buying) after several months, this in my country doesn't happen so frequently...this is kid playing
@@dr1kk3r i love my country, i love the whole world. i love sport. i am having a quiet time in my life. i love truth, and truth is just simple. i love rules, and most rules are just clear and supposed to be the same for everyone. i lived several years in trentino alto adige, where Sinner come from. in that place people would like to be south of austria instead of being north of italy, but then they keep asking and receiving money from central department (italian government). they hate italy, they want to be austrian (and speak mainly german). italians have no problem with people from trentino alto adige, we just would like they were fair, as they don't like us, then they could split their territories and we'll wish them the best, their choice, but please stop telling (by them) italy it is a shame for them, but still claiming and enjoying benefit coming from the country. i was interested to go and live in that place, cause everyone could think it is about fair people (german style), but when i was there i realized that mainly they are fair cause they are scared by persecution, not cause they don't like to be unfair. just my opinion. thanks for replying anyway. sorry for my b1 english level i can afford
the question is not that Sinner was caught,the real question is why the others are not caught?but we are used to it now...we saw how Nadal played a 6 hour match with Verdasco and the next day he played a 5 hours marathon in the final fresh like a daisy.We saw Djokovic one year having breathing problems ,hardly able to finish five setters ,next year he outruns a drugged up Nadal....it's because of the gluten free diet....then we have Alkaraz an 18 years old kid overpowering and outrunning seasoned pros in their peak...things got wild in tennis,yet nobody talks about it
@In_vic well i dont, but at the same time it was Mauratoglou who was the coach of Halep at that time and Agassi I believe it was Bolittieri. Fun fact, both coach are well known for the Tennis champions factories
We all know the story Darren. We simply do not believe it. Or that Jannik is being treated just like other players with 'fewer financial resources' that were banned for the very same offense. It smells from top to bottom. You know it. We know it. Don't try sell us an alternate reality after the fact.
The fitness coach gave the spray to the therapist, right? He didnt think it could be absorbed into the skin and would show in the urine? He is the main culprit, whether intentional or not. He did not exercise due diligence to protect his Player! he is also a pharmacist, right? What’s he doing with a spray that is kniwn to contain a banned substance??? I feel bad for his player who now has a stained reputation even if he is innocent. That fitness coach must go
And that cream has doping sign written on it in bold letters. You can look it up online, how convenient that both of them failed to see it and they're supposed to be part of an elite player's team.
Guys, why do we hate on people? It doesn’t do anyone any good to fester hatred and hurl accusations out to someone who clearly has been through the mill without us even knowing. This world needs more love and understanding in it.
I think it is perfect acceptable to have questions regarding fairness of treatment. Cahill makes a reasonable case, but that doesn't mean there aren't more questions to be answered. If it is true that the test revealed such a small amount of substance that it could not have been performance enhancing maybe these questions all have simple and honest answers. But it is precisely because it has happened "without us even knowing" that people have questions and doubts that they want to share and discuss.
Do you know what really sucks? Is innocent or not, Sinner is going to have this negative stain on his career forever. Its sucks one man made this decision that had this effect on such a great player and human. Its just sad
Blame the ATP/ITF/ITIA. more than the Sinner camp. They expedited the investigation for Sinner while keeping it secret and giving him true "innocent until proven guilty" status. Any other player besides the two Golden Boys (Sinner and Alcaraz) would have been publicly suspended, and by the time their name was cleared, it would have been many months and their reputation would have already been destroyed
Hard to say whether the case was handled fairly or the verdict is fair. Only Sinner and his team know the truth. But being number one and having a lot of resources certainly helped in defending his case (which Cahill kind of admitted).
Who wouldn't defend themselves with every resource they have ? Jannik shouldn't apologise for having earned enough money to hire the best people to help him.
Actually, his therapist's medicine didnt contain steroid; it was only after he touched the elevator stairs handrail and was zaped by some static eletricity, the molecules of his medicine rearranged forming a steroid (twice). The defence attorney provided pictures of those exact stairs. It was all just a funny sequence of events that led to this happily resloved misunderstanding.
Good questions Chris. Cahill did well here. Sinner will be firing his physio team asap. Unfortunate situation all around. I do believe it but i still find it unfair how they got to keep it so quiet and fight it so quickly while others suffer publicly for so long.
Not sure you heard.....but if someone is not able to say where the contamination happened, this can cause delays and to miss the window to appeal the suspension.
After the appeal, they couldn’t reveal it as the investigation is done anonymously, ie the the committee investigating the issue didn’t know the name of the player. So they had to wait for the conclusion of the investigation/have a verdict before revealing the name of the player. This helps the investigation to be impartial
What is unfair is to have made public this dropped doping claim. This is unfairily destroying Sinner's reputation. I stand by all athletes (including Halep and Ymer whose career was destroyed) unfairily mistreated by the doping agency which has gone to fart o kill athletes' career. It is totally unfair to make public a case which has been resolved but which is damaging for ever Sinner's reputation.
Especially Nadal... Everyone knew about his doping and blood transfusions he was doing on a regular basis yet they all remained silent... Media is incredibly biased. If for instance Djokovich did something of such a manner he would have been banned from playing decades ago instantly. 😢
And as you heard he WAS suspended, but the meeting they managed to have cleared things up enough to lift the suspension (and, in fact, that decision proved to be correct given the ITIA final judgment).
@@Bojanthekid Do you mean the guy that was suspended for failing to provide a blood test...? That is not less! If I am stopped by the police and I refuse a breath test, I could be arrested....If you got nothing to hide, take the test.
Better now than later. He will be extra careful to be squeaky clean moving forward. Him continuing to win at the highest level will only confirm his innocence. Unfortunately for Halep, when this situation occurs in the 30s, the assumption is that they’ve been doing it all along.
Amazing is that he gets a free pass to continue competing while other people (Gasquet, Cilic, Troicki etc) were suspended immediately following a positive test.
Almost like he has an unfair advantage over his competitors bcz of doping, that's why he's the no. 1. Poor guys must have miscalculated his dosage which led to it being shown on tests results but at least he had a handy excuse ready.
Believable? Some think not, others think so. I mean, was Naldi really rummaging through his bag of tricks that contains an open scalpel? The story is extremely polished and here every word is chosen for maximum highlight. Something doesn't sit right and the story and outcome should be reviewed.
This substance amount in spray form would be negligible. Taking creatine on a daily basis would have substantially greater benefits in performance. Or for that matter caffeine to boost endurance. Blown out of proportion. And I am not a Sinner fan!
Yeah less than a billionth of a gram and people try compare this case to Haleps where she had 80 times higher amount of the drug than other people her figure
The fact that Daren Cahill, Sinner and the rest of their large team kept this a secret since March and is now August means they are dirty. If not, why not say it’s not Sinner’s fault 5 months ago in March? So now we know why he did not play Olympics.
You were not listening! The sample was taken in March but they were not told until May. The. They appealed immediately and found the source which was plausible.
Kyrgios is absolutely right when he talks about preferential treatment thanks to his fame, expensive lawyers and a 2-year sentence. In fact, 2 years are foreseen for domestic violence, not disqualification, but prison, and this for violence against his ex-girlfriend, a crime for which he was tried in February 2023 in the Canberra court. His expensive lawyers, after failing to prove that the facts did not occur, brought forward the thesis of mental infirmity, a thesis that was accepted, therefore he was acquitted on the grounds that he had committed "a single act of stupidity and frustration" and not for not having committed the act. (and if anyone still hasn't understood, the accused is called Nick Kyrgios and the victim Chiara Passari)
Honestly, I was wondering what was happening to Jannik and why he was moving so slowly and struggling. I was for sure thinking he was about to dominate even more than he did all year. This makes soooooo much sense. I am feeling like USO will be a rough slam because of people wanting to cast doubt on him for their own players but hope Jannik stays strong! I support the integrity Jannik has for the sport and players and the game
Yeah he seemed really tense all the time. I always thought it was the pressure of being #1, the media frenzy in Italy, his hip injury, possibly Kalinskaya...
@@meisu3287 lol, comments like this prove to me that there are cynical people that want to spread disinformation and their opinion as fact for egotistical reasons. Whatever. Making every win that much sweeter!
Why didn't people make their voice heard to defend Halep and Ymer at the time? Probably because they didn't really bother and care and all of a sudden they care about Halep an Ymer. Com'on be serious.
I've loved Sinner as a player since his challenger days. His on-court maturity, mental toughness and sportsmanship are admirable traits. However, I have to be honest and say I find it very hard to believe that a professional in his team who already knew about the effects of steroids being found in creams and sprays, a professional who knows about doping scares that have happened due to these anabolics would use a spray he hasn't checked on the number 1 tennis player.
Never caught doping. Only tested positive with NO DOPING advantages and at the time there were no senteces yet. Rules forced the people involved to not disclose it.
This story is getting more and more unbelievable. "Hi I'm Jannick. This is my new Strength & Conditioning Coach. He's an ex pharmacist, an expert in pharmaceuticals! But that's definitely not why i hired him! And this is my physio. He gives me foot massages with an open wound on his hand and I have a skin condition where i have open wounds on my feet! This is all very normal!"
People mentioning Viktor Troicki are forgetting something: he was suspended for 18 months and wasn't even tested positive on both urin and blood samples he gave! The reason they suspended him is beacuse he gave that blood sample next day, not the day they called him to do it. He would've given the blood sample that day anyway if he had to but the doctor told him it wasn't necessary, just the urin sample. So the doctor told him wrong but it was too late. After that he went on the court against the doctor and ATP but he only got his suspension decreased to 12 months. Again, he was negative on all tests, which made the case ridiculous. Point is, I belive Yannick as Yannick is innocent and this was unfortunate. But this is a pure case of double standards.
well ok. when Troickis test mattered. only a day later - not being valid anymore, than I dont understand that Jannik had the substance in his body (tiny or not) on his first test march 10th - and also on his second test march 18th - and there are different stories -did the massage therapist massage him everyday during this 8 days? and if so, why did they know exactly and immediately that it came from the spray and then the physio continued to use it? or did that tiny amount from one massage (after the first test) stay 8 days in his system? I really can't believe that! Experts would know that - but why would experts test him again, if they know that this substance takes so long to get out of his system - again - as tiny as it was (quantity ) - that doesn't make sense!
@@Miki-rv6lu ah you're right, my bad. However, the article states that Naldi used Trofodermin from March 5th through March 13th and was massaging Sinner throughout that period. So it wasn't a period of 8 days like you mentioned, but about 5 days.
The strength coach was also a pharmacist. It was probably up to him to keep track of things. However, he's the one who gave the drug to the physio. Sinner probably though a pharmacist would be more meticulous. That's why he hired him.
He did not apply it directly on Sinner, the physio applied the product on himself and covered with a bandage. Probably he though the product was not going to leak through, which is absolutely irresponsible.
Wow what an absolute class act from Darren. So well spoken, eloquent and genuine in this interview. The interviewer asked some tough questions that many (myself included ) wanted the answers to he handled them really well
Cahill is such a vile man and liar!! all the italians busted for this drug in the past 48 monts also get a massage from this man the day he had a cut? and when they too had "blisters"? haha i hope sinner loses his magic power and we never hear from him in the final stages of the tournament again. I think the steroid was to help him with his muscle recovery time and cramping, his hip tendons etc. If he cant overcome those he will not stay at the top The double standard is what upsets me as a slav We all know what would happen to our players Only the amerikkkan pervs and their golden players at Nike are immune
His reputation is forever ruined. Norway’s top female long-distance runner faced a 13-month ban for the same offense after using a lip balm prescribed by her doctor. Btw. in this case, it is also worth noting that ATP's chairman and CEO is Italian.
@@Smalldeine which would be relevant if the exonerating verdicts didn't come from 4 experts that are not ATP employees and did their review independently of one another and also did not know who the player was when reviewing the case. his reputation will be ruined only for those that didn't take time to read the verdict -- and i would hope sinner wouldn't lose to much sleep of the opinion of such people.
Notice how no doctors are being interviewed for this dilemma? They would not be able to explain away this issue with science because the story seems far fetched to begin with. Please have medical professionals explain if Sinner's story and the stories these tennis pundits are asking us to believe are plausible.
EXACTLY. Not one medical professional who has commented on this on any official tennis related channels. Arm chair pharmacists yapping about “billionth of a gram” as if the concentration of a substance remains constant throughout. Try to hoodwink someone else but not everyone is gullible believing in fantastical tales of massages 💆
@@marcelluswallace194 the test either came out positive or it didn’t. Clearly they were two positive tests as was reported. Why are doctors pitching in AFTER he’s already tested positive about whether they detected a substance or not? It’s not even a debatable issue. Who tf are these doctors lol?
Bottom line is this case is concluded, a verdict has been determined and Sinner will continue to play. We will never have any more concrete facts about the case than we have now, so I think it's simply up to every fan to decide whether they will continue to support him or not. I will personally continue to support him, but I understand and respect other people's decision not to.
The lack of timeliness from the authorities is explained in the video; I hope you watched it. The intentionality has not been reported as the primary reason for the case's conclusion. Additionally, there's a significant difference between "my coach dropped a ton of steroids in my drink without my knowledge" and "my therapist used a cream that you can buy at any pharmacy in Italy, which led to a concentration of 1/1,000,000,000 grams in the tests." Even if, in both cases, the players acted unintentionally, the first case provided a concrete advantage, while the second did not. Everything else is pure conspiracy.
Every case is different. Also, it depends on what and how timely you are able to provide supporting evidence on your innocence. So, while authorities may apply the same rules to everyone the same way, the offense is always different therefore the outcome of the ruling as well.
Chris McHenry's handling of it was a joke. "Nothing to see here, and we're not going to talk about it any more". Just another insider who is motivated not to cast a dark cloud over their sport. Zero credibility....
Sinner is lying. The story sounds like a lie & is very unlikely. He got & now he got the worst excuse because he got caught. This is total bull 💩. If you believe he is telling the truth you have no common sense & will fall for anything.
Speculative conversations: Umberto : "Hey, Giamcomo, why don't you try this cream on that cut of yours". Giamcomo : "What's this say ? Closte .., closterbal .., clostebol! Hey, isn't that the stuff that 38 of our compatriots have tested positive for recently?" Umberto: "Don't worry yourself about that - you're not the one competing". Giamcomo: "Yeah, but .." Jannik : "Hey Giamcomo, how about my massage". Giamcomo : "Sure boss". Jannik : "Shouldn't you wear gloves to keep the massage oil off that dressing on your cut? And my psoriasiform dermatitis is pretty bad right now. There's even broken skin". Giamcomo : "Don't worry about it boss. I've handled worse. Do you think your feet are good for three or four hours of running each day for the next week, by the way ?". Jannik : "Guys, I've tested positive for clostebol! How the f*** ?" Umberto : "Look boss, don't get angry, but .." Actual statements: Jannik : "“We knew it straight away and we were aware of what happened. We went straight away and I was suspended for two, three days." Question: If it was so simple to identify the source, how come you were all so negligent in the first place". Jannik : "I always believe that I kept playing tennis because in my mind I knew that I haven’t done anything wrong" Observation : Missed the Olympics, where the athletes are vigorously tested for doping? This all smells bad & leaves a very bad taste.
Positive is positive. Every athlete is responsible for his/her own body. It does not matter if he wanted to cheat or not. These double standards are destroying sports.
All these governing bodies ATP, ITF, ITIA all failed in leading. These organizations are the CEOs and everyone looks to them for leadership, transparency, communication, morale, etc. Similar to the commissioner of the NBA. During times of crisis, these leaders need to step up, speak up and provide answers. We don’t even know who these people are. When David Stern was NBA commissioner we felt like we knew who was in charge. Same w Adam Silver. It’s amazing we never hear from the ATP president. Or the ITF or ITIA or WTA. Good god. The sponsors are running the show.
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What’s the Fitness TraIner doing with a spray that has already been noted to have the banned substance??? What a huge trouble he gave to his Player.
There are many substances that are illegal to use but that varies from organizations and countries. It’s a very long list and while yes you are hiring a top physio and therapist, things can go wrong like in this case through contamination. I believe a better question would be why wasn’t his physio using gloves?
The fitness trainer was actually a pharmacist and should've known better. But he also claimed to have told the physio what was in the substance so he wouldn't use it around Sinner. The physio claims he was never told. They were both at fault. They're both gone, too.
@@billiey36 Yeah that part of him being a pharmacist and not know the risk of using that cream and touching people... I feel that's the part that doesn't make sense and it is hard to believe their explanation now
yeah and same phisio guy worked in italian basketball team in 2022 when one player was banned for using same substance from spray
@@vicman877 It's on the pharmacist, though, not Jannik who had no idea that the product was even on site. The pharmacist says he told the physio what the product was. The pharmacist (strength trainer) and the physio are blaming each other.
another italian tennis player, Marco Bortolotti, was clostebol positive and not disqualified, exactly like Sinner.
claro,italiano como las actuales autoridades del tenis profesional...qué casualidad...dos italianos absueltos😂😂😂
@@fxsignal1830 e anche mi piaceva mooooolto Jannik,ma non sono imbecile.
@@nelibelmartinez5158 Now we know you.
@@giuliogrifi7739 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
@@giuliogrifi7739 vai a fargli paura a Naldi e a Ferrara meglio...forse parlano
I actually saw the change in Jannik just before the olympics. Tonsillitis often happens to people with weakened immune system. I was a bit worried that the strain of being no.1 was getting to him. He looked stressed to me. And the reaction when he beat Zverev was not typical. Like a scream of relief and anger combined.
Cant imagine Jannik cheating bec he wont even cheat during wrong line calls.
Its a shame how much hate sinner Is getting he Is too kind for doing those things
@@Op_Panda_LiftingSimulator people are upset that higher ranked players dont get the same treatment as lower ranked players; intent is irrelevant in this case.
@@Op_Panda_LiftingSimulator dickrider detected
@@Op_Panda_LiftingSimulatorThat's ordinary when you're number one, just ask to Djokovic in all his entire career.
@@chopin1975-tq3gx if that’s the case, there’s another player called Marco Bortolotti who is no way near a big name himself, faced the exact same situation last year, he was treated exactly like Jannik, no suspension, no ban, not guilty. Points and prize money taken away as penalty. What now?
Makes a lot of sense.
I was quite surprised how subdued he seemed after winning Cincinnati.
All this has really been weighing down on him.
Its a shame how much hate sinner Is getting
@@kuiyeondae He let out alot of pent up emotion after Zverev win. But yeah he has looked stressed
I felt the same! Somehow his reaction wasn't happy enough I felt. Makes sense now. Poor guy.
He doesn't deserve this. Getting hate for something that was completely outside of his control, and then having it weight down on him for the good half of 2024 season is hard.
This is true. It's more like a relief
Tested positive for one billionth of a gram (of this substance) that cannot affect the player's performance in any possible way.
Ridiculous to even make such a big fuss over this
You have not even idea. At this level, you have a Pharmacologist calculating carefuly excretion time margin to adjust it to just the time when should dissapear. So minutes amounts are POSITIVE.
@@videocarlos2834 Thank you... for at least trying to talk sense into someone.
@@kyledavis635People are stupid
Unless the person was Chinese then the western press would be baying for their head. Just like the swimmers that tested for less than one part in a billion. They were crucified. Despite the purple faces of US swimmers.
Ask yourself this question. Would you take steroids if I told you it was going to make you millions of dollars?
Marco Bortolotti, a doubles player then above 100 in the rankings (currently 87), was tested last October during the Lisbon Challenger, tested positive for Clostebol, is a very similar case to Sinner who was judged the same way.
Poor Halep whose career is practically over...
Unfortunately for her, the ATP chairman and CEO are italian, not Romanian.
@@blackkitty9054sei un poveraccio…
Women's tennis is headed by WTA not ATP. This is sexism at best. ATP lets cheaters and players accused of dv off wothout any consequence
Biggest difference is that Yannik and his team seem to have had an immediate and logical explanation for how it was an accident (on all parts). Also, the drug is common in Italy
and the amount found was deemed unable to enhance performance.
Halep did not have (and still does not have) an explanation other than "oops, my bad!", the drug found is NOT common, and the amount was significant.
@@blackkitty9054 😭😭😭😭
This physiotherapist Giacomo Naldi worked in a basketball team (Bologna).
And from the time of his practice there, multiple reports from the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and the NADO suggested that some top Italian players had been negatively affected by Clostebol.
Giacomo Naldi was therefore alerted, warned of the risks of contamination from using this type of product.
It is unlikely that he was unaware of the consequences he could have had for Jannik by obtaining this spray.
The thesis of negligence thus casts a certain shadow on his case.
I dare believe that Jannik has removed him from his team!
Fitness trainer needs to be fired as well.
Lol, Sinner and his team purposefully used the PED(steroids) and concocted the story as a back up in case they were caught. How hard is it to buy the said product and keep it on hand in case you need to have an explanation of how the PEDs got into Sinner’s system? Lol, don’t be so naive!
this rubbing on testosterone cream technique and other stuff is not new, check out the * How Olympic Sports Doping Actually Works | How Crime Works | Insider. Problem is Cahill i think is a clean coach, maybe Sinner as well as player. But why they work with Naldi is beyong me.
@@arncj18THAT is a fair question!!👏🏼
Si sono stati licenziati tutti e 2, l notizia è di oggi e penso che sinner abbia fatto la cosa giusta
Thanks for this video
yeah things coming out publicly for other athletes also wasn't great for them either but they weren't allowed to have it kept as a secret for several months .....
To all the idiots who think the same of this guy. Rules: the TADP give to the player the right to defend himself thanks to "Confiability", in private. TO ALL of them
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010)
“I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault.
An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains.
“An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play.
“The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.”
From an article on ubitennis
Simona Halep maintained her innocence for years. Sure, eventually her innocence was held up, years enough later, her career was ruined. So called justice.
Different substance though
Why didn't people fefend Help at the time? Nobody cared and now all of a sudden they care because they hate Sinner being world number 1.
@FabioSangiorgi-vu5eg no. That's because he is italian😂😂😂 and white😂😂😂 amazing how SOME group of ppl think they are special and need special treatment.... well in that case he actually got special treatment
@@KanatLSSinner has the financial means to pay for very expensive lawyers to defend against the doping agency. Is this a crime? It is unfair but low ranked players do not have the possibility to defend against the many abuses of the doping agency. This is a fact.
@FabioSangiorgi-vu5eg well tell that to halep and sharapova who were richer than yannik at the points of their careers were they got thrushed into the mud, they had enough money to get the best lawyers....but the head of the ATP/WTA was not russian or romanian unfortunately for them, yannik is fortunate to have an Italian ceo in the ATP .... don't defend yannik he got special treatment
I think it's the lack of transparency that Sinner tested positive and the investigation process that makes people question the fairness of the results of the investigation.
The ITIA literally followed their procedures to a T. What are you even talking about? Are you familiar with their procedures?
They couldn’t reveal it as the investigation is done anonymously, ie the the committee investigating the issue didn’t know the name of the player. So they had to wait for the conclusion of the investigation/have a verdict before revealing the name of the player. This helps the investigation to be impartial
What lack of transparency? Darren just explained every single detail here
That is how it works:
• The player was issued with a provisional suspension for each of the findings.
• On both occasions he successfully appealed the provisional suspensions to an independent arbitrator.
• Once an appeal is successful, it remains anonymous.
If Had the player’s appeal been turned down, it would have been announced.
@@janniksinner_updatesdude no. Sinner got special treatment no question. There is no way his appeal worked that quickly. Sharapova and Halep were suspended for over a year before they won their appeals and were found innocent. Look at Troicki, Gasquet, and Cilic. Sinner should have been suspended immediately but instead he was allowed to play with no consequences before it was even determined if it was intentional doping or not. That is unacceptable and the fact that they brushed it under the rug is very sketchy. The president of the ATP also being Italian doesn’t help the look of this favoritism.
You asked some excellent questions Chris!! Great job
Truth is usually simple, lies are complex, just saying.
Or maybe a criticism is easier to believe because many People are envious and just want to insult people
The minds of a lot of people commenting here are very simple too…
@@fabios.3510 i think that people many times want to believe that things are just Simple idk
@@anto-sk4ce Or maybe people possess reasoning skills that included questioning suspicious explanations like blaming the presence of a banned steroid on a massage. Then waiting almost 6 month to go public with not one, but two failed tests and two provisional suspensions. But $inner can afford good lawyers who make "donations" to the officials' favorite causes.
@@broncoguy4862 Its not that hard, this substance is contained in very small parts in italian medicines, btw you can listen to what Andy roddick said
the bottom line is that they DO have different rules for different players. Shapo said it after this story broke. A former player named Rochus, from Belgium also said after he retired that they test different players differently, some with more frequency than others, etc. Henin tested positive and they covered it up because tennis’ gatekeepers would do anything to keep Serena from dominating(sorry gatekeepers, she STILL dominated). After Henin tested positive, the story was never leaked and she retired. Her temporary retirement lasted the exact amount of time that you’re suspended for a 1st drug offense. Coincidence? I think not. Gasquet tested positive for cocaine and he said that he kissed a girl and that she must’ve had coke on her lips. They let him off. This lame excuse that the spray on his physio’s finger and that THAT was enough to get into Sinner’s urine sample? Really? i said i was born AT NIGHT, not LAST NIGHT.
Don't kid yourself, they are all on a regimen that includes a comprehensive cocktail of substances, some that are allowed and some that are not. I dare say it is impossible to win 20+ Grandslams without a little extra help or even winning just one or two slams, impossible nowadays. Not just in Tennis by the way, in any sport. If you want to compete at the highest level, you need to get with the program and inject some Compound V. Serena is no different from Henin.I think somewhere around the 90s, you could see the athletic profile of tennis players changing. The sport was becoming physically more demanding and nowadays it's pretty near impossible to find a tennis player that isn't working out every day, on some sort of diet, meditation etc. etc. THAT, was very different back in the day, when players rarely exercised, smoked and drank, were overweight, you name it.
You're just biased.
Loving the comments from people who are pretending that they are experts in these sorts of situations.
The man was caught with dope in his system
players are banned for the same thing and same amount
one does not need to be a lab tech to know this is wrong
Doesn’t take an expert to know hiding this suspension for 5 months is suspicious…
Expert in what exactly? Deception? There are facts and many unknowns that this interview failed to address. Even with an above-average IQ, you don't need to be an 'expert' to analyze what is right in front of you.
Glad to be an expert 😢
@@housecanrun9198if case was disclosed at the very first stage, there wouldn’t be any impartial investigation as all the professors and experts and doctors involved would have known who they were investigating. Then you’d whine exactly the opposite way. Really hard to please, huh?
I think Sinner's theory is plausible. Furthermore, I don't consider this guy to be a 'cheater'. He's a sincere human being, a devoted sportsman and in the tennis game for the long run. He wants to become the next legend alongside Alcaraz, Rune and Medvedev. I believe he would never jeopardize his career by deliberately using banned substances. That's simply not the guy he is. Even more so, the level of this anabolic steroid in his blood was so low, he didn't even benefit from it. Zero. I've been following Sinner for a couple of years now and this whole fine mess just doesn't add up. I think this truly was a very unfortunate course of events. A stupid case of negligence. Let's not start cancelling Sinner, he is one of the good guys.
So was Florence, Johnson and thousands of other good people. Very naive, very....
Steroids sinner 💉💉🔥
Do you know him, personally?
i agree💯
It’s plausible bc they reused another story
I have been Jannik’s fan for many years. I was shocked to hear this news at first. But after reading all the matters and listened to Darren, it cleared to me that Jannik was innocent. It explained why Jannik’s plays and his mental dropped down after Miami. If there was not this issue he might did better in RG and Wimbledon. I hope that the other players will have the chance to defend themselves the way Jannik did. I really felt sorry for Simona and don’t want it to happen to anyone.
Portraying an athlete as "victim" after being tested positive for doping, is not credible either. Facts: Professional physios always use gloves! I have never heard of such an unbelievable story - that´s a JOKE!
Its not clear at all. Its a load of bs
Why is it that so many Italian sportspersons keep getting caught with use of this substance, Clostebol. I know its over the counter in Italy, but that is no excuse. Pick a different ointment FFS not the one with steroids. Surely his camp is not that dumb.
I actually think Sinner may be naive and just playing tennis. But his camp has let him down. Who know how he using this drug. It stinks 💩.
He is a cheater? Tested positive twice? Stripped of money and points from Indian Wells. It's a fact - whether you like it or not. Norway’s top female long-distance runner faced a 13-month ban for the same offense after using a lip balm prescribed by her doctor.
He cheated, gat caught twice, money and corruption rule this world...
I can clearly understand the opinions of those saying that there hasn't been fair treatment of others for similar things, and that they got immensely wronged; but if that is so (and it is) why would we want to blatantly wrong Jannik too? It seems like, if instrumentalized correctly, it could be a good precedent and step forward for accidental doping contaminations NOT to ruin a lenghty period of a tennis player's career. Another noteworthy element in Jannik's case, which helped clear his case rather quickly, was the fact that they seemed to know exactly what had caused the positivity immediately; I wouldn't be too quick to think of this as a blatant double-standard situation for this reason as well.
Sure, they new because there were cases in Italy about the substance 😢So they new it😢
"They seemed to know exactly what had caused the positivity immediately" is the MOST SUSPICIOUS part of it.
@@retyfuller4641A story prepared earlier?
Which makes is more suspicious. Knowing where the contamination came from. It’s all too fast like a script is prepared. The others were not at fast because they did not have a clue how they ingested the banned substance. They need to test all the supplements/healing creams that they use so they can identify what it was! This to me sounds more legit!
Sinner's team should write fairytales 😂😂😂
They are good at fantasy tales
They just did
Really this is much better than house of dragons, the writers should take notes from Jannik’s team
His fitness coach who is also in charge of antidoping protection for Jannik has to go.
Darren just said that he is a pharmacist so he must have known esp since many italian athletes have tested positive for this substance. Therefore he failed to protect his player
In fact, Unfortunately both Umberto and Giacomo are 99% gone
he has a pharmacy degree?!
Italian pharmacist have a great reputation in dopping history
One part of a billion
@@davidepateri1514 ? what do you mean ? have they been released from Jannik's team ? I would 100% agree with that but what evidence do you have for this ? Nothing was stated by Darren or others to confirm this.
The trainer has to go. As Darren said, he’s a pharmacy owner and is well-versed in the banned substances list. Yet he was in possession of this spray and handed it to the physical therapist, knowing what the substance was and what it contained. At best, that’s negligence. At worst, he’s the Italian Victor Conti.
If you notice, the physio has not been in the team for months, now there is talk of the doctor. Of course they have to change him, it is total negligence.
The pharmacy owner and the physio are different members of Sinner's team.
Of course hes going to say Sinner is innocent.
literally everyone who investigated and gave evidence in the case (including the expert scientists) agrees he's innocent...
All this for one billionth of a gram which wouldn't affect his tennis performance in any way whatsoever. Jannik still asked the physio about his finger and if he needed any treatment and the physio said no. There's not much more Jannik could have done.
These comments are all well and good. I raise the issue again, however, about the double standard here. Simona Halep was banned for more than a year and she claimed too that she knew nothing of ingesting a banned substance. She wasn't given the same treatment. Cahill was also Halep's coach. Don't know whether that was the case at the time of her ban. It's the double standard that is egregious. Cahill just stated that Halep's situation was also not fair but even more unfair as she was banned from playing for an extended period of time unlike Sinner.
@@susanantakikhan3262
What I've read about Halep's case is that the delay was caused initially because she and her team (her coach was Patrick Mouratoglou) seemingly could not work out how the banned substance got into her system, whereas with Sinner, his technical coach Umberto (not his physio Giacomo) was also a pharmacist so he knows about banned substances, but he was also the person who gave the can containing trace amounts of the banned substance to the physio for his finger cut, so that is gross negligence if not worse.
They all knew immediately where the substance originated. That of course doesn't make it right and Sinner was right to part ways with them because they really tarnished his reputation.
In Simona's case, luckily, like Sinner, she had the funds to hire good lawyers, but it took some time to work out that it was her collagen supplement that had been contaminated with the banned substance.
Darren Cahill was not her coach at the time. In fact, he vouched for the integrity of her character because he had been her coach previously, and he knew how seriously she took what she put in her body as an athlete.
Finally, at her trial, Mouratoglou admitted he had been at fault in handing her the contaminated collagen, which resulted in her FOUR YEAR ban being reduced to 9 months, but her career has been pretty much derailed in the last 2 years because of this.
Djokovic spoke about Sinner's case and he said part of the reason of establishing a players union (PTPA) was to standardise what happens to ALL players when something like this occurs. At the moment I agree it's not a level playing field. Even if the ITIA couldn't find the origin of the banned substance, they chose to convict Halep without all the evidence. Definite double standards.
@@susanantakikhan3262
Halep was actually banned for 4 years, reduced to 9 months after her coach Mouratoglou testified at her trial that he was the one at fault for handing her the collagen that contained the banned substance.
The difference between Halep and Sinner's case is that in his case his team knew immediately how the contamination occurred.
Halep's case was more complex in that there was a pharmacy involved who made up her collagen supplement. I believe she is suing them? But yes, the fact Sinner wasn't suspended at all while the investigation took place is not fair at all.
I believe both Sinner and Halep are victims of decisions their teams made. I feel really sorry for tennis players who can't afford expensive lawyers to clear their names.
You see it right from the start: the interviewer is friends with the coach, what an uncritical and complaisant interviewing. He had 5 months to prepare this fairy tale with the help of lawyers and HR and probably rehearsed it countless times. This story is perfectly shaped and gives a strange causal line of explanations. too perfect for reality :-)
yes, indeed. It would sound more plausible, if they made it public right after the event. That would have had significantly increased the innocence case. But less time for preparation..
The discrepancy in treatment of Halep vs Sinner cases is disgusting
Because this is a COMPLETE different story. It's quite simple to understand this.
Because unfortunately Halep actually assumed doping substances under form of dietary supplements. Sinner didn't assume anything. There is no discrepancy, only different situations.
@@rolandbozz79explain the different story please
You speak without going in any detail. One should at least read and listen.
Even a baby understands the difference. Stop laying dumb, you just heard that Halep did not know how the substance entered her system so she could not fight in court immediately.
That Italian spray has caused multiple doping cases in Italy.
It’s widely available in Italy.
“Jannik had no idea this existed”
That doesn’t make sense at all😂😂😂😂
Do you know of every single wildly available medical product in your country? No. So don't ask stupid questions.
@@piscesgroovesupreme yeah his physio also didn’t know and there have been Italians tested positive because of that spray. How convenient
Don’t be such a fool
It is available but widely known it effects athletes, so anyone applying it would know that....In Italy it specifically is labeled to contain steroids in any product with Glostabol. So their argument is utterly unprofessional garbage. No accountability.
This all smells like 💩 to me.
@@piscesgroovesupreme If were a professional athlete from Italy, and a certain spray from Italy has caused multiple doping cases, it is my job to make sure that spray doesnt come close to me
are you deaf? Cahill didn't know..Sinner didn't know the physio was using it
Thank God there were experts to investigate and not absolute nobodies behind a keyboard
He is a cheater for ever
It's over for him.
@waillachab284 here's one
@@waillachab284well you're a disappointment forever but your family deals with that pretty well i assume so thats ok ❤
@@cocoaur3052 no loser i'am a very very successful pharmacist , my whole family looks up to me
Haha got you there 🤣🤣🤣
What about you !!!!!
@@waillachab284 pharmacist and successful? 😂😂😂😂 lmfaooo couldnt get into med school so here you are.....no wonder your family looks up to you, any degree is better when in a family of illiterates
I lost respect for you and Sinner.. twice caught. .. unforgivable should be punished.. unfair for honest players
Have you just clicked on the video and commented without watching it?
sit down and relax gosh bozo
You should be punished for being so intellectually dishonest
Jannik Sinner is 100% innocent, the reason why they could keep this quite for so long is because they knew every aspect of this situation quickly, they knew where the drug came from how it got into Jannik's system and how it was applied, Like Cahill said. The reason they could supress this is because they knew the entire situation quickly and therefore were able to control it much better and release it to the public appropriately. This must be very difficult for Jannik.
Yeah and you think other players didn’t know the aspects quickly? Excuses
Cover up imagine if it was Nole he would be suspended day 1 after testing positive
BS
Sinner suposed to be suspended Period whether mistake or not does not matter.. With this decision ATP widely opened the door for other players to do the same thing and quite rightly sue ATP if they get banned. I think this has just highlighted the level of coruption in ATP.
Cahill saying sinner is a good person from a good family ...... does that make a difference in how positive doping results are treated?
Lol, ikr??!
Utter rubbish.
But what do you expect from a coach who possibly knew Simona Halep was getting into??!
It doesn’t. The investigation panel looks at the available evidence not at a family core values.
It doesn't and it didn't. He was cleared by a panel that didn't know if he was from a royal family or a family of corrupt politicians.
Cahill saying that is most natural. He's using his _personal experience_ to reiterate Sinner's innocence.
Hahaha like simon parents are bad people
It doesn't. Investigations do it and say Sinner is clean.
He shouldn’t be treated any differently than Halep was. 4 year career ending ban for her. How is that fair?
Halep was banned twice it was significantly amounts found. What they found in Jannik was 1ppb miniscule doesn't exist
Darren Cahill coach of now two high profile players wrapped up in doping scandals..very suspicious
Halep was with coach Moratoglu ,not Cahill , when found positive...
@@vale.r1o Yeah when she was *caught* lol
@@user-gu1un7pb7k yep with Moratoglu
Jannik's coach excellent professional!!! No wonder he is doind so well, such a knowledgeable person behind him! wondeful to follow the logic, the sincerity and the expertise! Always rooting for Jannik, believeing in him! SInner Forver fan from Madagascar
Sinner and Cahill have clearly explained what happened. Anti-doping has acquitted him. The case is closed. If instead you want to create useless controversy out of prejudice because you hate Sinner regardless, then that's another matter. There is none so deaf as he who will not hear.
😂😂😂
Massaging an open wound...
All this smells like 💩
Touché
I don’t think Jannik is a cheater, but the difference in treatment is too obvious in my opinion. Hope that from now on, the media and everyone else, start treating this type of cases with more respect.
There was no difference in treatment. Are you familiar with ITIA procedures? Their exact procedural guidelines were followed. They did the exact same thing for a player outside the top 100 who tested positive recently.
@@2394098234509 to add more context, the former case was Marco Bortolotti in October last year. Search his name and you’ll be able to find the whole story. Exact same situation as Jannik, Marco was investigated till March this year, during the investigation, he was NOT SUSPENDED and played couple of challenger tourneys. ITIA finished the investigation in March and Marco was found innocent. Thus NO BAN, just points deduction and fine as of Jannik’s case. If the governing body does the same thing and follows the same procedure to lower ranked players like Marco (102 CH ranking in doubles), and higher ranked players like Jannik, they are doing the right thing
Postponed the hearing 2 times, and when they got backlash decided to come up with the blood passport thing, which by the way was completely dismissed by CAS. To me IATA definitely wanted Halep to be guilty vs with Jannik it seems they were more opened to the story.
@@elchanclascocinaexactly
He is a cheater? Tested positive twice? Stripped of money and points from Indian Wells. It's a fact - whether you like it or not.
Excellent interview. The interviewer asked the right questions. Didn't sugarcoat anything or go on the offensive. The interviewee handled all the questions with evident discomfort but felt safe enough to be forthright. I've rooted for Jannik's success since the first time I got to know about him 4 years ago. Unfortunately for him and for the atp, i feel this won't go away quickly. I'm wondering if being public and transparent through the process along with a self imposed hiatus during this period might've helped him gain more credibility with the players on both tours. He's a nice guy no doubt but is bound to feel some heat in the locker room.
😂😂😂😂this happened to others, and they where not allowed to Play
Ahahhahhahahahhahahha!!!! These excuses are so absurd when you realize the multiple tests you must fail, and the amount that must be in your urine to fail. Not to mention that Italian law dictates the packaging have a big “wada” warning on it.
Troicki was banned from playing tennis for 18 months, for failing to provide a blood sample at the Monte-Carlo Masters event, and they just reduced Sinner's points after 2 failed doping tests, disgrace
1 test, 2 positives from the same test
Troicki refused to take the test. It's automatic suspension. Sinner cooperated. Why are you comparing 2 completely different scenarios?
@ehall870 No, there were two separate tests - one on March 10th and another on March 18th.
@@ajr2112 do you know if the results were the same or different? I help you, there were identical: 1 billionth of gram.
@zanderixx6322 Why are you responding to me? What I said is 100% accurate with no opinion stated. I corrected someone's error. Some people would say "thank you." Go cry to someone else.
ATP players association should have a fund for all players to use to defend themselves in these cases. Not at all fair that the lower players that are more vulnerable to errors are also more at risk.
What amazes me most is how he dealt with all the background nosie and still won cincy. Dont leave a comment underneath saying “oh its cos hes juiced up” .
To play at that level with that kind of stress is amazing, as you said. Knowing this was going on gives that hug between Sinner's 2 coaches a different perspective, doesn't it? No wonder Jannik mentioned the problems they had been putting up with and how much he appreciated the people around him who understood him.
true, and he looked stressed af since clay season and still performed well
Tennis such a mental game, very impressive to block it out.
Bc he already knew lmao in fact he knew winning Cincy would help downplay when the statement came out don’t be daft
@@sv-bd5emdo you have microcephaly
How is this different from Simona Halep's situation? Why were the two resolutions so different?
1. She is a woman Jannik is a man
2. She is unpopular Jannik is not
3. The chairman of the ATP is Italian, Jannik is Italian
4. Jannik is currently at the top of the men’s game, Simona was not.
5. He’s in a position of privilege, to the extent he believes the decision is fair
@@marcking1051 Simona Halep was WTA nr 1 for a full year. She was very popular. The rest stays. Thank you.
"We never knew the spray and never seen it before"
But when news came up about testing positive you knew it is the spray right? the one you have never seen before haha sure...
That's the point, i am italian, but i admit that is our most famous point, we couldn't know about something, but then we wake up in 2 seconds (oh sorry now i get why, please believe me, i swear it, trust me, i would never lie) in italy we do this play since 6 years old, or earlier...😂😂😂🥳🥳🤡🤡 it is just the way it is
I heard they (SINNER'S TEAM) even kept ticket (receipt of buying) after several months, this in my country doesn't happen so frequently...this is kid playing
@@Antonio-ex3ke This was said by Darren, who's Aussie. Your hate for your country is sad bro. Are you having a tough time?
I don't think it's very hard to trace back and brainstorm to find the origin of the problem. Negligence at its best. Nice try Alcaraz...
@@dr1kk3r i love my country, i love the whole world. i love sport. i am having a quiet time in my life. i love truth, and truth is just simple. i love rules, and most rules are just clear and supposed to be the same for everyone. i lived several years in trentino alto adige, where Sinner come from. in that place people would like to be south of austria instead of being north of italy, but then they keep asking and receiving money from central department (italian government). they hate italy, they want to be austrian (and speak mainly german). italians have no problem with people from trentino alto adige, we just would like they were fair, as they don't like us, then they could split their territories and we'll wish them the best, their choice, but please stop telling (by them) italy it is a shame for them, but still claiming and enjoying benefit coming from the country. i was interested to go and live in that place, cause everyone could think it is about fair people (german style), but when i was there i realized that mainly they are fair cause they are scared by persecution, not cause they don't like to be unfair. just my opinion. thanks for replying anyway. sorry for my b1 english level i can afford
the question is not that Sinner was caught,the real question is why the others are not caught?but we are used to it now...we saw how Nadal played a 6 hour match with Verdasco and the next day he played a 5 hours marathon in the final fresh like a daisy.We saw Djokovic one year having breathing problems ,hardly able to finish five setters ,next year he outruns a drugged up Nadal....it's because of the gluten free diet....then we have Alkaraz an 18 years old kid overpowering and outrunning seasoned pros in their peak...things got wild in tennis,yet nobody talks about it
been thinking the same thing
Agree on every single word
Former coach of Halep and Agassi both caught as well (without him) but caught…
@In_vic well i dont, but at the same time it was Mauratoglou who was the coach of Halep at that time and Agassi I believe it was Bolittieri. Fun fact, both coach are well known for the Tennis champions factories
We all know the story Darren. We simply do not believe it. Or that Jannik is being treated just like other players with 'fewer financial resources' that were banned for the very same offense. It smells from top to bottom. You know it. We know it. Don't try sell us an alternate reality after the fact.
The fitness coach gave the spray to the therapist, right? He didnt think it could be absorbed into the skin and would show in the urine? He is the main culprit, whether intentional or not. He did not exercise due diligence to protect his Player!
he is also a pharmacist, right? What’s he doing with a spray that is kniwn to contain a banned substance???
I feel bad for his player who now has a stained reputation even if he is innocent. That fitness coach must go
Why would someone with an open wound that requires medicine be giving a massage with NO GLOVES????
@@johnlicciardello2389 Because he is dumb.....and put the player in danger......He should be fired.....
And that cream has doping sign written on it in bold letters. You can look it up online, how convenient that both of them failed to see it and they're supposed to be part of an elite player's team.
Name?
Sinner has " stained reputation " just for low iq bozo haters. They are quite pathetic. For the majority he s still the great guy he is. Period.
Reading the comments, it is ridiculous that people were comparing sinner's case with halep's and sharapova's. Clueless and careless in their words.
@profan10 Positive is positive. Of course everyone who tests positive is going to act shocked and say it was a misunderstanding. Shouldn't matter.
Guys, why do we hate on people? It doesn’t do anyone any good to fester hatred and hurl accusations out to someone who clearly has been through the mill without us even knowing. This world needs more love and understanding in it.
are you on drugs?
I think it is perfect acceptable to have questions regarding fairness of treatment. Cahill makes a reasonable case, but that doesn't mean there aren't more questions to be answered. If it is true that the test revealed such a small amount of substance that it could not have been performance enhancing maybe these questions all have simple and honest answers. But it is precisely because it has happened "without us even knowing" that people have questions and doubts that they want to share and discuss.
Yes more love for a millionaire caught dopping poor him
@@sv-bd5emexactly. Also the people who say show him grace. I would like to ask them would their jobs show them any grace if they tested positive
@@sv-bd5emHe's also a human being ffs.
Do you know what really sucks? Is innocent or not, Sinner is going to have this negative stain on his career forever. Its sucks one man made this decision that had this effect on such a great player and human. Its just sad
Blame the ATP/ITF/ITIA. more than the Sinner camp. They expedited the investigation for Sinner while keeping it secret and giving him true "innocent until proven guilty" status.
Any other player besides the two Golden Boys (Sinner and Alcaraz) would have been publicly suspended, and by the time their name was cleared, it would have been many months and their reputation would have already been destroyed
Sinner sinned
He dopped
Why add Alcaraz to your comment?
Yeah and he didn’t complain and wasn’t transparent about it
Look what happened to Halep
Hard to say whether the case was handled fairly or the verdict is fair.
Only Sinner and his team know the truth.
But being number one and having a lot of resources certainly helped in defending his case (which Cahill kind of admitted).
Who wouldn't defend themselves with every resource they have ? Jannik shouldn't apologise for having earned enough money to hire the best people to help him.
Why is he treated differently? I dislike the ATP hypocrisy from Sinner himself and his team. Remember Simons Halep and Russian athletes. Shame!
Actually, his therapist's medicine didnt contain steroid; it was only after he touched the elevator stairs handrail and was zaped by some static eletricity, the molecules of his medicine rearranged forming a steroid (twice). The defence attorney provided pictures of those exact stairs. It was all just a funny sequence of events that led to this happily resloved misunderstanding.
Ha-ha-ha... brilliant!!! 😄🤣😃
Good questions Chris. Cahill did well here. Sinner will be firing his physio team asap. Unfortunate situation all around. I do believe it but i still find it unfair how they got to keep it so quiet and fight it so quickly while others suffer publicly for so long.
Not sure you heard.....but if someone is not able to say where the contamination happened, this can cause delays and to miss the window to appeal the suspension.
Sinner's physio and strength coach and have gone for a couple of months already.
After the appeal, they couldn’t reveal it as the investigation is done anonymously, ie the the committee investigating the issue didn’t know the name of the player. So they had to wait for the conclusion of the investigation/have a verdict before revealing the name of the player. This helps the investigation to be impartial
What is unfair is to have made public this dropped doping claim. This is unfairily destroying Sinner's reputation.
I stand by all athletes (including Halep and Ymer whose career was destroyed) unfairily mistreated by the doping agency which has gone to fart o kill athletes' career. It is totally unfair to make public a case which has been resolved but which is damaging for ever Sinner's reputation.
Money makes the world go round, simple!
The PR is mental! Having money helps!
If you think Nadal, Serena and countless others weren’t doping you live in a fantasy world.
Or Federer
Especially Nadal... Everyone knew about his doping and blood transfusions he was doing on a regular basis yet they all remained silent... Media is incredibly biased. If for instance Djokovich did something of such a manner he would have been banned from playing decades ago instantly. 😢
@@jamesline5103everyone my guys
Or djokovic with some of his mid 30s dominance
No sheet Sherlock. It is about not getting caught.
There are players who were suspended on less.
And as you heard he WAS suspended, but the meeting they managed to have cleared things up enough to lift the suspension (and, in fact, that decision proved to be correct given the ITIA final judgment).
Less than 1 nanogram in his sample? I’d like to know who those players are, really.
@@Sobchak2
Cilic Victor Trochi in 2016
@@Bojanthekid Do you mean the guy that was suspended for failing to provide a blood test...? That is not less! If I am stopped by the police and I refuse a breath test, I could be arrested....If you got nothing to hide, take the test.
You are right. Because is ITIA performance what we should be discussing here. Ask for ITIA to ruin another player career do not solve the problem.
Simona Halep and Sinner are both under Darren Cahill’s Training Management
Great Man Darren, no surprise Yannik raised his level to the top and able to stay there with such a passionate, serious mentor.
Who's Yannick? Noah no longer plays tennis‼
Steroids sinner 💉💉🔥
Thank you Darren 🦊❤️
Lol, he's been embroiled in doping scandals before.
Love u Jan❤
@@got2bjoshno Darren is not. He coached a WTA player before. They split and she got a new coach, THEN she had the scandal
@@got2bjosh When? Because he wasn't coaching Halep when she was suspended.
@@Deliot Sure, but she had irregularities in her biological passport from 2017, when he was coaching her.
I will always support you Sinner❤
Me too ❤
🤡🤡🤡💉💉💉
@@Notlikeus1959 yes , but nobody will support you , little rat .
🇮🇹💯🔥🔥
@@Notlikeus1959 everybody knows the truth but you just cheat yourself
Better now than later. He will be extra careful to be squeaky clean moving forward. Him continuing to win at the highest level will only confirm his innocence. Unfortunately for Halep, when this situation occurs in the 30s, the assumption is that they’ve been doing it all along.
the same was with Sharapova
Amazing he deals with this and still wins cincy and is number one in the world
Amazing is that he gets a free pass to continue competing while other people (Gasquet, Cilic, Troicki etc) were suspended immediately following a positive test.
Yeah it's amazing how he's able to win while roided up. What an inspiration. Lmao
@@Gligz Least informed comment ever
@@CL2- Do you also believe in the tooth fairy? How about Santa? Did he come around this year to give you gifts?
Almost like he has an unfair advantage over his competitors bcz of doping, that's why he's the no. 1. Poor guys must have miscalculated his dosage which led to it being shown on tests results but at least he had a handy excuse ready.
One thing he says is true: Sinner was treated differently, period.
another player, bortolotti, got the same exact treatment. 350something in the world.
@@ibetonlosingdog Another italian player with a get out of jail free pass
@@Eyesonly302 do you have any proof it is related to being italian, or are you just racist ?
@@Eyesonly302 Racist.
@@Eyesonly302or maybe it just logical not to ban someone for incidental exposure which didn't improve their performance
Believable? Some think not, others think so. I mean, was Naldi really rummaging through his bag of tricks that contains an open scalpel? The story is extremely polished and here every word is chosen for maximum highlight. Something doesn't sit right and the story and outcome should be reviewed.
This substance amount in spray form would be negligible. Taking creatine on a daily basis would have substantially greater benefits in performance. Or for that matter caffeine to boost endurance. Blown out of proportion. And I am not a Sinner fan!
Finally, a comment based on facts! Thank you!
Yeah less than a billionth of a gram and people try compare this case to Haleps where she had 80 times higher amount of the drug than other people her figure
Steroids sinner 💉💉🔥
@@Yusukeyuyu i see you can write many different comment? is mommy helping you?
The fact that Daren Cahill, Sinner and the rest of their large team kept this a secret since March and is now August means they are dirty.
If not, why not say it’s not Sinner’s fault 5 months ago in March?
So now we know why he did not play Olympics.
Exactly. Why didn't him warn his fellow tennis players to avoid that particular spray in March? If he was sure that was the cause of the +ve result.
You were not listening! The sample was taken in March but they were not told until May. The. They appealed immediately and found the source which was plausible.
They didn't keep secret since March they found out in may. And definitely wouldn't be talking about it publicly during appeal process.
@@isabellasmith8377 So what did he or the team do from May till now?
They didn't find out in March. They were told the positive result in May. And the testing was anonymous anyway.
Kyrgios is absolutely right when he talks about preferential treatment thanks to his fame, expensive lawyers and a 2-year sentence.
In fact, 2 years are foreseen for domestic violence, not disqualification, but prison, and this for violence against his ex-girlfriend, a crime for which he was tried in February 2023 in the Canberra court.
His expensive lawyers, after failing to prove that the facts did not occur, brought forward the thesis of mental infirmity, a thesis that was accepted, therefore he was acquitted on the grounds that he had committed "a single act of stupidity and frustration" and not for not having committed the act.
(and if anyone still hasn't understood, the accused is called Nick Kyrgios and the victim Chiara Passari)
Thats why he did not go to the Olympics!!!!
He suffered from illness you saw him in Montreal and First round of cincy he didnt touch a racket for a month
Steroids sinner 💉💉🔥 dodging olympic drug test 😂
Honestly, I was wondering what was happening to Jannik and why he was moving so slowly and struggling. I was for sure thinking he was about to dominate even more than he did all year. This makes soooooo much sense. I am feeling like USO will be a rough slam because of people wanting to cast doubt on him for their own players but hope Jannik stays strong! I support the integrity Jannik has for the sport and players and the game
Yeah he seemed really tense all the time. I always thought it was the pressure of being #1, the media frenzy in Italy, his hip injury, possibly Kalinskaya...
And now we know, he had been caught redhanded, he has to be more careful with doping from now on. Probably need to go on and off
@@meisu3287 lol, comments like this prove to me that there are cynical people that want to spread disinformation and their opinion as fact for egotistical reasons. Whatever. Making every win that much sweeter!
Steroids sinner 💉💉🔥
@@Yusukeyuyu and again
The double standard between how this was handled and incidents like Halep and Sharapova on the WTA side is infuriating.
the wta is not the atp, they are two completely different orgs. It could be the methodology is different, but I don't know. It does smell fishy though
It starts around 8:33. Watch the full video.
Why didn't people make their voice heard to defend Halep and Ymer at the time? Probably because they didn't really bother and care and all of a sudden they care about Halep an Ymer.
Com'on be serious.
Your lack of knowledge and comprehension is even more infuriating
Troicki@@lalolanda8458
Who can believe ...this history ?😂
I've loved Sinner as a player since his challenger days. His on-court maturity, mental toughness and sportsmanship are admirable traits. However, I have to be honest and say I find it very hard to believe that a professional in his team who already knew about the effects of steroids being found in creams and sprays, a professional who knows about doping scares that have happened due to these anabolics would use a spray he hasn't checked on the number 1 tennis player.
Bs. He played for 6 months after getting caught doping twice and public wasn't told about that. What a disgrace
Never caught doping. Only tested positive with NO DOPING advantages and at the time there were no senteces yet. Rules forced the people involved to not disclose it.
@@lorenzocampus6072 tested positive for a banned substance and had his points taken away for IQ but no doping advantages... Sure
Isnt he the one who coached simona halep before sinner?
This story is getting more and more unbelievable. "Hi I'm Jannick. This is my new Strength & Conditioning Coach. He's an ex pharmacist, an expert in pharmaceuticals! But that's definitely not why i hired him! And this is my physio. He gives me foot massages with an open wound on his hand and I have a skin condition where i have open wounds on my feet! This is all very normal!"
He's fans actually believe this lmao 😂😂😂
@@ninaantonijevic9774 no, all intelligent people understand and believe him.
The others see conspiracies.
Haters will remain haters. Sinner has been found innocent. Let's move on and focus on tennis that is still one of cleanest sports.
Hahaha
Are you serious?, 😅
Darren ♥️
…Jannik chose the best super Coach and I hope he will overcome all this ❤
Dear Darren, are you no longer coaching Jannik? I didn’t see you in his box in Bejing. You’ve been such a good team so far
This is very unfair. It is favouritism. If it was a low ranked player they were going to be suspended or banned.
Google Marco Bortolotti, best ranking #355.. same thing, same rules, same application.. etc
People mentioning Viktor Troicki are forgetting something: he was suspended for 18 months and wasn't even tested positive on both urin and blood samples he gave! The reason they suspended him is beacuse he gave that blood sample next day, not the day they called him to do it. He would've given the blood sample that day anyway if he had to but the doctor told him it wasn't necessary, just the urin sample. So the doctor told him wrong but it was too late. After that he went on the court against the doctor and ATP but he only got his suspension decreased to 12 months. Again, he was negative on all tests, which made the case ridiculous. Point is, I belive Yannick as Yannick is innocent and this was unfortunate. But this is a pure case of double standards.
well ok. when Troickis test mattered. only a day later - not being valid anymore, than I dont understand that Jannik had the substance in his body (tiny or not) on his first test march 10th - and also on his second test march 18th - and there are different stories -did the massage therapist massage him everyday during this 8 days? and if so, why did they know exactly and immediately that it came from the spray and then the physio continued to use it? or did that tiny amount from one massage (after the first test) stay 8 days in his system? I really can't believe that! Experts would know that - but why would experts test him again, if they know that this substance takes so long to get out of his system - again - as tiny as it was (quantity ) - that doesn't make sense!
@@Miki-rv6luthey tested the same sample twice, not two different samples.
@@josiah7672 no they didnt! they always take 2 samples, but they tested him twice. First 10th march - and then 18th march
@@Miki-rv6lu ah you're right, my bad. However, the article states that Naldi used Trofodermin from March 5th through March 13th and was massaging Sinner throughout that period. So it wasn't a period of 8 days like you mentioned, but about 5 days.
@@josiah7672 well its strange that this tiny little amount - as they claim! stays that long in the system.
This is really so cute. The Tennis state accepts this ridiculous explanation?
Sinner says his team is meticulous? Obviously that’s not true. How does a physio not look at the product before applying? Ridiculous.
The strength coach was also a pharmacist. It was probably up to him to keep track of things. However, he's the one who gave the drug to the physio. Sinner probably though a pharmacist would be more meticulous. That's why he hired him.
He did not apply it directly on Sinner, the physio applied the product on himself and covered with a bandage. Probably he though the product was not going to leak through, which is absolutely irresponsible.
Ho risposto sopra.
@@sebastiantevel898 he didnt use a bandage during massage
Wow what an absolute class act from Darren. So well spoken, eloquent and genuine in this interview. The interviewer asked some tough questions that many (myself included ) wanted the answers to he handled them really well
Part time defence lawyer
Cahill is such a vile man and liar!!
all the italians busted for this drug in the past 48 monts also get a massage from this man the day he had a cut? and when they too had "blisters"?
haha
i hope sinner loses his magic power and we never hear from him in the final stages of the tournament again.
I think the steroid was to help him with his muscle recovery time and cramping, his hip tendons etc.
If he cant overcome those he will not stay at the top
The double standard is what upsets me as a slav
We all know what would happen to our players
Only the amerikkkan pervs and their golden players at Nike are immune
this is rehearsed af and loads of PR training involved. I guess ur not as well-read in anti-doping press conferences...big bs for sure
His reputation is forever ruined. Norway’s top female long-distance runner faced a 13-month ban for the same offense after using a lip balm prescribed by her doctor. Btw. in this case, it is also worth noting that ATP's chairman and CEO is Italian.
@@Smalldeine which would be relevant if the exonerating verdicts didn't come from 4 experts that are not ATP employees and did their review independently of one another and also did not know who the player was when reviewing the case. his reputation will be ruined only for those that didn't take time to read the verdict -- and i would hope sinner wouldn't lose to much sleep of the opinion of such people.
Notice how no doctors are being interviewed for this dilemma? They would not be able to explain away this issue with science because the story seems far fetched to begin with. Please have medical professionals explain if Sinner's story and the stories these tennis pundits are asking us to believe are plausible.
EXACTLY. Not one medical professional who has commented on this on any official tennis related channels. Arm chair pharmacists yapping about “billionth of a gram” as if the concentration of a substance remains constant throughout. Try to hoodwink someone else but not everyone is gullible believing in fantastical tales of massages 💆
They don't want real experts to talk, they want fairly tellers
2 doctors out of 3 didn't even detect it...
They did detect it and WADA is looking to possibly intervene. Otherwise this case would not attract so much attention.
@@marcelluswallace194 the test either came out positive or it didn’t. Clearly they were two positive tests as was reported. Why are doctors pitching in AFTER he’s already tested positive about whether they detected a substance or not? It’s not even a debatable issue. Who tf are these doctors lol?
Bottom line is this case is concluded, a verdict has been determined and Sinner will continue to play. We will never have any more concrete facts about the case than we have now, so I think it's simply up to every fan to decide whether they will continue to support him or not. I will personally continue to support him, but I understand and respect other people's decision not to.
Should be banned ASAP. Everybody involved in this lie also
@masterprofesorelax bozo wth 😂 r4228
The lack of timeliness from the authorities is explained in the video; I hope you watched it. The intentionality has not been reported as the primary reason for the case's conclusion. Additionally, there's a significant difference between "my coach dropped a ton of steroids in my drink without my knowledge" and "my therapist used a cream that you can buy at any pharmacy in Italy, which led to a concentration of 1/1,000,000,000 grams in the tests."
Even if, in both cases, the players acted unintentionally, the first case provided a concrete advantage, while the second did not.
Everything else is pure conspiracy.
Darren Cahill is a great speaker, knows how to use words well which is why he’s a top-notch commentator, but we need to hear from Jannik Sinner.
Friday she said. Also he posted a message on social media.
This sounds like they sent me (n00b) to pharmacy to get a spray for Sinner. LOL
Every case is different.
Also, it depends on what and how timely you are able to provide supporting evidence on your innocence.
So, while authorities may apply the same rules to everyone the same way, the offense is always different therefore the outcome of the ruling as well.
It’s really as simple as that.
The case may be different but the treatment of the player shouldn’t be and it was
"There is no fault, no negligence"?? The concept of accountability seems to not exist these days
I applaud Chris McKendry for asking all the relevant and difficult questions to her colleague/former colleague and probably friend.
Chris McHenry's handling of it was a joke. "Nothing to see here, and we're not going to talk about it any more". Just another insider who is motivated not to cast a dark cloud over their sport. Zero credibility....
the fact that sinner has to deal with this while serena williams took drugs her entire career is absolutely vile
Get a life hater , she is rich and living her best life ..are you? ...did you give her the drugs to take ?
It does not matter how it happen he fail 2 drugs test that is what the rules are for imaging if that was serena
"He owned a pharmacy in Italy". That doesn't bode well for anti-doping compliance.
Poor Jannik who is the victim of someone else's negligence.
Sinner is lying. The story sounds like a lie & is very unlikely. He got & now he got the worst excuse because he got caught. This is total bull 💩. If you believe he is telling the truth you have no common sense & will fall for anything.
Speculative conversations:
Umberto : "Hey, Giamcomo, why don't you try this cream on that cut of yours".
Giamcomo : "What's this say ? Closte .., closterbal .., clostebol! Hey, isn't that the stuff that 38 of our compatriots have tested positive for recently?"
Umberto: "Don't worry yourself about that - you're not the one competing".
Giamcomo: "Yeah, but .."
Jannik : "Hey Giamcomo, how about my massage".
Giamcomo : "Sure boss".
Jannik : "Shouldn't you wear gloves to keep the massage oil off that dressing on your cut? And my psoriasiform dermatitis is pretty bad right now. There's even broken skin".
Giamcomo : "Don't worry about it boss. I've handled worse. Do you think your feet are good for three or four hours of running each day for the next week, by the way ?".
Jannik : "Guys, I've tested positive for clostebol! How the f*** ?"
Umberto : "Look boss, don't get angry, but .."
Actual statements:
Jannik : "“We knew it straight away and we were aware of what happened. We went straight away and I was suspended for two, three days."
Question: If it was so simple to identify the source, how come you were all so negligent in the first place".
Jannik : "I always believe that I kept playing tennis because in my mind I knew that I haven’t done anything wrong"
Observation : Missed the Olympics, where the athletes are vigorously tested for doping? This all smells bad & leaves a very bad taste.
Yep. We were all born yesterday. But props to the very creative script. Love it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂🤣😅😁
You’re not an expert who investigated the case. Just an idiot behind his keyboard
Positive is positive. Every athlete is responsible for his/her own body. It does not matter if he wanted to cheat or not.
These double standards are destroying sports.
surely for someone who doesn’t have any clue about the topic ‘positive is positive’ Fortunately professionist are working on these cases
Positive with a microscopic amount of substance found in his body. This could have no impact on performance
@@sabinovesce7891ever heard of half-life?
What would destroy sports is people like you who think that the world is black and white and who would unfairly eliminate athletes from sports.
All these governing bodies ATP, ITF, ITIA all failed in leading. These organizations are the CEOs and everyone looks to them for leadership, transparency, communication, morale, etc. Similar to the commissioner of the NBA. During times of crisis, these leaders need to step up, speak up and provide answers. We don’t even know who these people are. When David Stern was NBA commissioner we felt like we knew who was in charge. Same w Adam Silver. It’s amazing we never hear from the ATP president. Or the ITF or ITIA or WTA. Good god. The sponsors are running the show.