The Reason why the Lakers Lost the 2004 Finals
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- Kobetards be like - "Ben Wallace shut down Shaq in the Finals, it wasn't Kobe's fault they lost." NO. The reason the Lakers lost the 2004 Finals was Kobe being the most selfish player in history and trying to play hero ball instead of feeding the ball to Shaq which almost always worked. Shaq crushed Ben or whoever was guarding him when he got his touches. When the Lakers fed Shaq, their offense ran smoothly. When they stopped feeding him, (largely due to Kobe's ball-hogging) their offense was atrocious. Shaq getting more touches = easy 2004 championship.
2004 Finals
Kobe - 70 bricks
Shaq - 84 total attempts - กีฬา
Kobe shot like 17% from 3 and under 40% overall while shooting 30 more shots than the next closest guy. Kobe absolutely lost them this series
Facts
Facts
Guess who the next closest guy was, who was shooting well over 60% from the field and dominating the Pistons?
@@logicaldude3611 You remember Kobe was playing on an injured right arm? He was forced to play on it and it unraveled itself in the playoffs. You're right, Kobe could have diverted to Shaq, but they would have lost, undoubtedly because there would be only 1 scoring threat.
He didn’t lose them the series he literally gave them they’re only win lmao he was they only player that could actually give them a chance of course he shot 40%
They need a 30 for 30 for this
That now will not happen.
@@hitman321100 Yup. Nothing negative against Kobe is allowed now after the tragedy
Lol
I love Kobe , would still love to see it .
Kobe sucked that season and he threw the series so that Shaq wouldn't get finals MVP. Same thing LeBron did to D-wade in 2011
Just remember... The Pistons WANTED the ball in Kobe's hands. Just think about that. People completely forget the first half of Kobe's career when it was him running around playing hero ball all the time when he had SHAQUILLE O'NEAL IN THE POST. It got worse every year and this series was when the whole thing came to its peak.
Did you forger he was playing on an injured right arm?
THEY LITERALLY DOUBLE TESMED SHAQ WHEN HE PASSED IT YOU IDIOT
@@user-ou5pm6gn9j which makes his shot selection and selfishness ever worse. Kobe is the most overrated ball hog ever. Sure, he is a hall of famer no doubt, but way overhyped.
@@jeremybamgbade How? So u expect him to just not shoot. Shaq was dominant, but 1 dimensional, the pistons had more consistent spacing while the Lakers had a few specialist but no true consistent floor spacers outside of Kobe. If kobe doesn't shoot like he did that series the pistons win in 4 since Shaq is too predictable. Even if he's unstappable and efficient, you can contain him, Kobe on the other hand could change the tide of a game a lot more effectively because his scoring opens up the offense for everyone else. Leading up to the finals Kobe had been the way, Kobe just gave out. Sure Kobe could have averaged 18 or 19 those finals on good shooting, but he had to shoot in order to keep them somewhat in it. Also, I honestly don't care what you think, Kobe is the 2nd greatest player of all time.
@@user-ou5pm6gn9j Lol. The point wasn't to not shoot, it was to be smarter with the shot selection, ya know, like how he did the 3 previous years???. Dump the ball to shaq, he gets double teamed, he passes out of a double to Kobe for open or easy look, or to someone else who makes a play to get a quality shot.
Also, Shaq being predictable is a hilarious argument. Yeah he was predictable and yet he was unstoppable so your argument makes no sense. And you are in the minority if you think Kobe is better than Olujuwon, Kareem, Lebron, hell even Shaq LMAO. Look at his career averages, most missed shots ever, his career FG percentage is way nearer to Westbrook than to Lebron who has shot 50% for his career.
I realize Im talking to a kobe fan so your ability to be objective is diminished, but cmon my guy.
Even the announcers are like wtf is Kobes Problem give him the ball
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and u gonna be regret to post this shxt
Not the original broadcasters
@@kendallthomas6807 The original announcers also talked about how Kobe wasn't giving the ball to Shaq
@@joshuafult84no sir
The mentioned that Shaq didn’t touch the ball but never said Kobe didn’t pass it to him
In fact they mentioned how Kobe was even looking for his shot and getting everybody involved
The original commentators were Al Michaels and doc rivers
Kobe's selfish play was definitely a factor as opposed to the more effective play of Shaq
That was the Pistons game plan play Shack one on one the Lakers will drop the ball to him more and that will frustrate Kobe
Kobe getting frustrated he will disrupt their offensive plays and once he did that the game was over
3:44 “I think Kobe knows he’s 1 for 6 and his shot is not falling as opposed to Shaq being 5 for 5.”
Perfect illustration of this series.
Shaw just stands in the post
Shady Boy and that would’ve made the series competitive if Kobe didn’t throw the series
chitownkidd33 Kobe didnt Shaq was out of shape and fat he was still a great player but he was just lazy. Karl malone was injured and Gary payton struggled with the triangle offense derrick fisher struggled comin off the bench and Kobe was going through that rape trial and his marrige was in crisis also Phil jackson was gonna retire after the year and wrote some shit about Kobe it was a miracle that team made it to the finals
Shady Boy It was a miracle against the Spurs but please rewatch the series, specifically games 3-5. Shaq was dominating, while Kobe was ignoring him and building a brick house because he wanted the finals mvp.
chitownkidd33 wrong again
Imagine if bron did this it would be talked about forever and people don’t talk about him choking 3-1 lead
*Lakers choked that lead, not Kobe
Kobe has 04, 06 against the suns lol. And getting mollywhopped in 08 by the Celtics. Bron definitely gets the same treatment on his 2011 disappearing act. Deservedly so. Kobe is an all time great but he’s overrated for sure. He ain’t MJ. And at the end of the day Bron will end up higher on the all time list. Even though I like Kobe more as a player Bron is a better all around player.
@@TheGr8-1 True. Kobe fans are very hypocritical when it comes to their lord and savior but don't treat LeBron the same way. When LeBron loses against the Mavs in 2011, they forget that the Lakers were swept by the same exact team 2 series prior. When LeBron loses the 2-1 lead against the Mavs, they don't say anything about Kobe losing a 3-1 lead against the Suns and losing in the Finals against Detroit which they were heavily favored to beat. When they knock LeBron for losing against the Magic in 2009 and the Celtics in 2010, they don't talk about how LeBron out-performed Kobe when Kobe played those teams, but simply didn't have as good a team or coach. When Kobe loses in 2004 (and even 2008), it's bc he was learning but when LeBron loses in his first 7 seasons, it's bc he's a choke artist. LeBron took a bad Cavs team against a great Spurs team but to them, he just played like garbage but when Kobe loses against the Pistons and Celtics, he had to learn how to be the man, etc.
@@thefoxmccloud2256 kobrick*
@@kawaiiafangirl both are overrated.Duncan lectured them both
Phil should have benched Kobe and only played him when Shaq was sitting. This shit was ridiculous.
People don't give Prince enough f***ing credit when it comes down to the best perimeter defensive players ever.
He totally shut down Bryant in 2004 finals, and the year prior to that, the pistons were down 3-1 against Orlando, but as soon as a rookie prince came off the bench and started guarding McGrady(who was dropping 40s left and right), shit went downhill for the magic and they lost 3 straight games.
That's Kobe and T-Mac two of the best scorers ever in their prime getting shut down by a kid who just came into the NBA.
The thing about Prince though was that his peak did not last very long. Still decent two-player player for his career though.
hus hus then came a guy named LeBron James
and he lost three NBA finals in a row (though the league did win one of those for him)
smithtable15 taste the salt
Kobe woulda been 3-4 in the he finals without refs not as bad
The players should have been wearing hardhats with all the bricks Kobe chunked this series.
lmao
They were too busy chucking their own bricks. Only player who showed up was Shaq
Shaq 9-11 rest of Lakers 9-30. Pass the ball Kobe lol
If he passes they will just eventually double team him stop it
@@Bigguy5588 THATS THE POINT! YOU WANT THE DOUBLE TEAM!!! THATS MEANS SOMEONE IS OPEN!
@@Bigguy5588 lol double team or not shaq is still bulldozing that team shaq will find his way and if not he's gonna kick it out
@@njprince9717 stfu that’s not how it works lol shaq ms not bulldozing through everyone especially when they move the pressure up or foul him then they could just double team shaq AND KOBE
Kobe wanted to be the finals MVP so he was trying to take over selfishly
@Gr8 1 As a die hard Los Angeles Lakers fan YET an objective Kobe Bryant admirer not one of his non-objective delusional Kobrick/Kobetard fanboys or girls, Stans EVERYTHING you said in your previous message to that other gentleman is 100% FACTUAL. This 2004 NBA FINALS selfish brick shooting debacle, his blown 3-1 2006 WESTERN CONFERENCE CONFERENCE first round playoff series vs the #2 seed 54-28 Phoenix Suns who didn't have the services of all-star big man Amare Stoudimire that ENTIRE 2005-06 season btw when Kobe in GAME 7 selfishly/petty like only took 3 shots in the second half because he was pissed that the local Los Angeles media criticized him for taking 35 shots in his only career 50 point playoff game in GAME 6 back in Staples Center when the Lakers blew an 8 point lead with like 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter with a chance to clinch the series at home in Los Angeles where the Suns forced over time & eventually won & forced the aforementioned GAME 7 back in Phoenix where they blew out Lakers primarily because the Snake was in his feelings lmao, & finally his lackluster ass 2008 NBA FINALS performance vs the '08 Boston Celtics in his lone MVP season where I feel Chris Paul who I can't stand by the way but I give credit where it's due was robbed of the MVP that year as member of the then New Orleans Hornets he led them to a 56-26 record #2 seed in the WESTERN CONFERENCE with sorry ass Maurice Peterson & Tyson Chandler as his 2 best players where they lost a heartbreaking GAME 7 at home vs the San Antonio Spurs in the WESTERN CONFERENCE SEMIFINALS but I digress. The '08 FINALS exposed Kobrick as a great regular season scorer against soft, finesse, non physical bottom tier defenses but when presented with a smart, physical, & intelligent defense which REFUSED to give up easy penetration to the lane/basket for high percentage dunks, lay-ups, & fouls which would result in free throw attempts Kobe became mentally intimidated & simply resorted to taking low percentage 25 foot bricks with multiple defenders on him lmao by the time the Celtics won GAME 6 by an NBA FINALS record clinching 39 point margin Kobrick was relegated to shooting 35 foot bricks/jumpers because he wanted ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with '08 NBA DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR Kevin Garnett (ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE smh as a Lakers fan that STILL hurts my feelings whenever they show GAME 6 of the '08 FINALS & Garnett's post championship interview when he uttered that phrase 😭😭😭😭), P.J. Brown, Leon Powe, Kendrick Perkins, or Glen "Ashy lips/Eating Popeyes Chicken on a private plane with $100,000 cash in your hands while simultaneously having a warrant out for your arrest/Big Baby" Davis. Those 3 scenarios FOREVER disqualified Kobrick from NBA G.O.A.T. player discussions in my book as a matter of fact I currently have him ranked #12 all-time in NBA history.
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@Gr8 1 Appreciate it sir. It's unfortunate & tragic how he & his daughter met their untimely demise so I understand if his fans or NBA fans of other teams are currently in mourning yet that doesn't mean we should overstate or overrate him as a NBA player & I've always felt that he was a great player but not in consideration for G.O.A.T. NBA player status or top 10 all-time & I've expressed that opinion numerous times on social media in years past but since his death now all of a sudden his delusional non-objective “Kobrick/Kobetard”fanboys & girls/Stans are calling me a hater regardless of me providing statistical data/evidence & game footage such as these 2004 NBA FINALS vs the Detroit Pistons they STILL won't except LEGITIMATE constructive criticism as anything other than me being a Kobe Bryant hater because I refuse to be a delusional fanboy who lacks OBJECTIVETY just because I'm a Los Angeles Lakers fan as well as Kobe Bryant fan but I would call him out on his flaws as I & EVERY fan of a player or team should instead of being a blind non objective fanboy or girl/Stan but I'm a big boy & can handle myself it is what it is ijs🤷🏾♂️.
Jordan Sharpe Kobe is borderline #10 buddy. Quit overrating him because he had a tragic death.
Jordan Sharpe
#1. Michael Jordan
#2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
#3. LeBron James
#4. Wilt Chamberlain
#5. Magic Johnson
#6. Bill Russell
#7. Larry Bird
#8. Tim Duncan
#9. Hakeem Olajuwon
#10. Kobe Bryant
#11. Shaquille O’Neal
Shaq was supposed to go for 45-50 easy
Bu bu bu...Ben shut him down LMAO!!! 40 easy! With the offense boomin to another chip but nah!
Dez Niko exactly Kobe playing a lil bit better wouldn’t have stopped that Detroit team,
The pistons were on a fuckin mission that year
@@dezniko4585 did you not watch this series ? Ben did as good as anyone can against Shaq but Shaq still dominated him when he got the ball
@@joshuafult84 absolutely. The key phrase you used there is “when he got the ball” the lakers tried getting the ball to Shaq on every play, but the Pistons TEAM had other ideas...
Kobe missed almost as many shots as Shaq took in the entire series. Shaq was shooting in the 60s and Kobe was shooting in the 30s. That was the story of the series and it was obvious to anyone watching at the time what was going on.
Kobe’s worst moment ever as a Laker
and 2006 suns and 2008 NBA finals. and 2000 NBA finals. the list is too long.
@@mkhan85272003 semifinals vs Spurs. Lakers really could’ve did a 5-peat
The 4 air balls vs the Jazz
He wanted the finals mvp couldn’t stand Shaq winning another one
Such a shame but no no no it's all about Shaq being "lazy". This was an easy chip if played the right way & the right way is SHAQ!
@@DNikos I don't know about easy but Lakers definitely should've won had they continued with what got them 3 chips before this. After this Finals it was obvious those 2 could no longer co-exist as Lakers. Which is ashame cuz had they stuck to being a Shaq first team they win in 04, 05, 06 & get that 2nd 3-peat like MJ's Bulls. Spurs were tough & wouldn't keep getting bounced. They'd still win in 07. After that Kobe takes over as the Alpha & they get more chips. These guys should've had 8 rings at minimum probably 10. That's not an exaggeration either.
@@arlopear7136 I agree. Not taking away from the Pistons but my God!!! I mean Shaq is just not a selfish cat, ego yes but not selfish. He gets the ball moving and makes passes out of the post for better shots. Such a shame it was simple to build around He & Kobe if we're working on all cylinders but another disappointment like we just saw with the MJ doc
Bilal Ali I don’t see any blame for Shaq. He was still the best Center in the NBA. Shaq cost a few regular season wins but turned serious in the playoffs. Kobe was acting like a damn child and didn’t want Shaq getting a finals mvp
@@arlopear7136 OT is a very large exaggeration. It’s actually hard to imagine them getting one more. Even if they are Abel to get back the Spurs,m had they stuck together they would of ran into the Pistons again. That wasn’t a fluke, those Pistons teams were a perfect kryptonite to the Lakers.
the excuses for Kobe in some of these comments is disgusting. He single handedly cost them the series
He won without shaq, in fact that's 2 rings without a top 75 back up.. unlike other superstars who just jumps from team to team to get rings forming superteams with other top 75 players😂
@@aeriskabkr1110 he did not come close to winning shit until they got Pau. and kobe was gonna "jump" to the bulls by demanding a trade BEFORE they got Pau. and kobe is nowhere near as good as Lebron so u can blabber all you want with those high school takes lol.
@@aeriskabkr1110 he quit vs suns in 2006 playoffs, gentlemens sweep in 2007, then demanded a trade because he couldnt win without Shaq so they got another all star for him.
@@dominicharris5489 who was pau gasol? if you can't name other top 75 player, this conversation is over... shaq won a ring with dwade and gary payton i believe
@@dominicharris5489 pau not at least at KG level
I consider myself the biggest Kobe fan in the world, but this is terrible coaching by Phil Jackson. Kobe was being selfish this game and he should’ve been benched.
Looks alot like what booker was doing to the suns
@@thefinalsay8330 I slightly agreeeeee. I saw it too. But imagine Deondre Ayton was a hall of famer top 10 player ever…..he isn’t. Kobe literally had that on his team and kept shooting
@@phillipmoore6249 I know in general, he is top 10. But in those 3 finals, he was the best player of all time.
@@alp6675 absolute beast
@@phillipmoore6249 Exactly. He literally averaged 38 ppg 17 rpg 3 bpg on %61. That is impossible.
Why not just give it to Shaq every time? Let him have career highs in the finals while you have career lows...he's unstoppable...earn respect through your intelligence!
Facts, he couldve had hella assists to like 12 or 13
No shit, Shaq was eating the Pistons alive down low and all they had to do was feed him. But this was the peak of Kobe's beef with Shaq and I think it completely drove him insane that Shaq was out there looking fat but still dominating while Kobe couldn't get a bucket to drop. It just drove him crazier with each miss and Shaq make.
Folks wanna gonna say Shaq carried Kobe when it was true so Kobe tried to prove he was the best player Cost my lakers this series
THEY WILL DOUBLE TEAM DO YOU EVEN PLAY BASKETBALL
@@Bigguy5588 lol. No, not since my brother grew taller than me and started destroying me. He played on a team with Devin Booker when they were young. You're right that it's not that simple at all in basketball. I'm a Michigan guy so the Pistons winning was all I cared about really.
I mean, you have a Kobe bias, but you're not lying. If the Lakers just gave Shaq the damn ball, it was a perfect series for them. Detroit played slow, which is EXACTLY the way for LA to win. Their troubles came against teams that would speed them up (Portland 2000, Sac 2002, San Antonio 2003, Minny 2004) with some kind of trap or press or just attacking them with their guards. Chauncey and Rip were nice, but if you wanted to play in the 80's, LA could win if you played an efficient game.
THE PROBLEM WAS, Kobe was determined to win Finals MVP. You could see it. Even in the swing game of the series, Game 4, Shaq's last stand where he dropped 36 and 20 on the Wallace's heads, Kobe was jacking shots up in that 4th quarter that swung a tie game to an 8 point Pistons win that basically ended the series. 04 Shaq wasn't as dominant as 01 Shaq, but he was definitely enough to get 30+ a game and THEN let Kobe get more efficient looks off of him as the first option. Kobe just wasn't having it. And his 38 percent shooting AND mediocre defense on Rip and Chauncey (both averaged 20+ a game) AND the injury to Karl Malone doomed the Lakers.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot Shaq was pretty out of shape at the time. Kobe’s shot selection definitely hurt the Lakers’ offense, but Shaq was gassed by game 5 because of how physical the Pistons were playing him. And on the other end, Shaq literally played no defense. Kobe locked up Rip Hamilton in Game 1.
Edit: Also I still think Kobe was more at fault this series. That court case he was dealing with, well why was he sleeping with that girl anyway if he didn’t want to have a reputation as a bad father? That’s Kobe’s own fault. Did he rape that girl? I have no idea, but Kobe admitted to sleeping with her and he settled his court case. Not a good look for him. But Shaq gets way too much of a pass for his lazy defense and being out of shape.
@@jrthegoatsmith712 Kobe needs the blame i saw this coming & i'm a Lakers fan. Not only did Kobe Sabotage the series he sabotaged the Lakers. Kobe said earlier resign Shaq he's not coming back. People forget too many players could of replaced Kobe that this time. Also Kobe had alot of teams he could of went to establish himself. He didn't me make sure the Lakers kissed his ass
JR The GOAT Smith your name alone exposes the lack of hoops IQ
If you actually WATCHED the series you would see that.
1. Shaq led in scoring
2. The Lakers lacked FLOOR SPACING
They need Robert Horry this series but MANAGEMENT let him go
3. The Lakers lacked Athleticism
4. Phil Jackson lineups were HORRIBLE why he kept Payton in the starting lineup is mind boggling
5. The pistons defense pressured the lakers 94ft the Lakers were rushed into shots due to the shot clock close to expiring. They had no time to go to Shaq most of the time.
Evidence watch at 9:28 the Lakers are rushed! Into a shot because the shot clock is close to expiring. They were pressed from the minute they inbounded the ball.
BIG FACTS I watched the series. All Shaq did was score, and even so he was nothing close to what he was in the Lakers’ 3-peat. And Shaq played absolutely no defense. The Pistons’ didn’t have to worry about him one bit. And Shaq let Ben Wallace shoot open jumper after jumper. Shaq was way out of shape playing no defense and exerting all of his energy on offense.
I'm sorry I love Kobe but man any one this selfish during the most important game of the year is a fool in my eyes...I dont blame Shaq for leaving. Selfish...I'm not a big Lebron fan but I know for a certainty he wouldn't do this type of selfish play smh
Derek Matthews shaq was traded. But yeah even though is he wasn't traded , anyone of them would leave anyway
the Pistons won it strait up it didn't matter if Kobe was in or not. there defense was amazing and they had player to score like rwallace, Hamilton, bullups, and prince. plus bwallace out playing and rebounding Shaq. didn't matter who they played they were winning.
Derek Matthews he wanted to get his shot going the lakers knew like he knew if he didn't put up 20 they lose
@humanman1
Jordan's "selfish" basketball never cost his team. Went 6 for 6 in the finals with 6 finals MVPs compared to Kobe's measly 2.
Measly??? Damn how many HOF got as many?! How many don't have any??
I love how everyone loves to make excuses for Kobe when there's video evidence of him shooting 36% and abandoning the offense.
Just pay attention to the announcers in the video.... they're calling the game EXACTLY as how I watched the series.... run the offense through Shaq... run the offense through Shaq....
No one is making anything up. Kobe just fucked up. Period.
IbTusPeter Facts
And Kobe learned and moved on and went to three straight championships!...won back to back.
Rycons Rycons wasn't it 2?
@@whatthafk2864
After getting carried his first 3.
Rycons Rycons thanks to Pau Gasol
I love Kobe as much as the next person and god rest his soul....But he single Handedly Cost the lakers This series . He had a serious Ego Problem Back then
Ok say that but this is what one year out of a 20 year career like come on now.
Even later year Kobe won championships. It wasn’t him the team was loading. Bynum and gasoline were the biggest factors.
Facts 😊
This is why kobrick ain't top ten
I mean in his own words he stated that this finals debacle was on him. He wanted to fulfill his Michael Jordan fantasy so desperately that he ignored all team concepts and broke down all offensive flow. Dwyane Wade just 2 years later, totally shred this Detroit Pistons with penetration and getting good shots within the flow.
exactlyyyy
Not only Wade destroyed them Manu Ginobili shred the Pistons too. Kobetards say that people are unfair against Kobe for using this series against him because the Pistons defense is one of the greatest ever but Wade and Manu proved that their defense can be destroyed as shooting guard.
Michael won as the leader of the team. Kobe wasn’t a good leader
Kobe’s selfish ego was his biggest weakness.
@@acason4 You're wrong. It was his CHILDISH selfish ego that made him always look like a dummy to anyone who knows basketball. Dude was a chump that sometimes got extremely hot.
Doc Rivers was announcing this game in 2004 on ABC, he had just been hired as the Celtics coaches. I think this was the blueprint he used for Kobe in 2008 and 2010. Kobe numbers were under 41% both series.
It happened twice in the playoff which costs them a potential penta-peat. Phil and Shaq left afterwards because of Kobe selfishness in the playoffs and the media hide it.
I hope all the young people watching realize that this was Shaq as he was exiting his prime, but the strategy to win was easily, "Just play the Triangle, swing the ball around the perimeter, give it to Shaq." Shaq was great at slipping in under guys as he rotated and all of a sudden, he's 5 feet from the basket 1-on-1 in prime post position. Unstoppable. Kobe single-handedly threw away this series because he thought it was his time. Kobe always mattered to Kobe more than winning ever did.
For your name to be logical dude that wasn’t a logical statement. “Kobe always mattered to Kobe more than winning ever did” he won 5 nba championships 😂 7 finals in a 10 years span 2000-2010. If Kobe was as selfish as you claimed he wouldn’t won any titles if he really about “Kobe “ championships are TEAM accomplishments Kobe has 5 on his resume in 10 years. He can’t be that selfish contributing to 5 championships sir.
@@TaybeenTrill248 2000-2010 is 11 years + Shaq carried Kobe for 3/5 of his rings
@@Joseph-mp5fl you’re a casual Shaq ain’t carrying Kobe to anything . Kobe averaged 25/6/5 from 2000-2002 that’s not being carried idiot .I can tell you don’t watch games If Shaq carried Kobe Why he didn’t carry him 96-99 then before Kobe became a starter ??? That theory ain’t holding up buddy
@@Joseph-mp5fl amazing how people say “Kobe won 5” yet forget to mention Shaq was FMVP for 3 of those 5 rings that Kobe “won.”
Shaq left Orlando because he was jealous of Penny
Damn. Shaq averaged 26.6 PPG on 63.1% shooting in this series, up from 21.5 PPG and 58.4% in the regular season. Kobe against the Pistons averaged 22.6 PPG on 38.1% shooting compared to 24.0 PPG and 43.8% in the regular season. To add insult to injury is the fact that Kobe only averaged 2.8 RPG and 4.4 APG THE ENTIRE SERIES.
I know the injury bug hit the Lakers by this point and that the Pistons defense was on another level but this just goes to show that had Kobe simply dumped the ball down to Shaq and let him score, they could have probably won the series.
Probably the most selfish performance in the history of basketball. I've never a seen player so willing to ruin his team's chance of winning a title in favor of scoring points.
#NotInMyTop15
Judge a nigga off 1 series wow u suck bad
@@russell9411
Nba Finals averages:
Shaq ( as a Lakers ) 33-14-3-2, on 61%. Kobrick ( with Shaq ) 22-5-5-1, on 41%.
Gasol 17-10-3-2, on 53% Kobrick ( as a leader ) 25-6-5-1, on 41%
@Shaun King how he make the 2008 finals tell me.
Shaun King you don’t know basketball, please do more research before you try to educate people, they don’t even make the nba finals in 2000 if it wasn’t for Kobe
@Shaun King lol u high as hell
Chauncey Billup said it all. I always said this dude Kobe is the most selfish player I've ever seen. He even hurts his team In clutch situations in the last 2 to 3 minutes of the game and the last 10 to 5 seconds. Stats proves my point. Players don't like playing with him
The footage Kobe stans don't want anyone to see.
No one denies this happens. But
Sickening play from kobe
This game shows me such how much of a beast shaq was even in his 12th year in the league, all they had to do was feed him every time
imagine this game without shaq and only kobe 😄😄😄. tell me again how kobe CARRIED shaq to championships?
Shaq wouldn't have won without kobe and vice versa
@@Trump-yb4nn shaq could have won. kobe is actually letting him down.
@@Trump-yb4nn their record wasbetter without kobe......e plain that
Trump 2020 He won with wade dipshit. Yes the officiating was incredibly rigged towards the Heat. But still without Shaq they never even make it to the finals. What was Kobe doing those years while Shaq was carrying the Heat?
@@user-hx9po6ft5j Shaq never carried the Heat.
Detroit Pistons Defense is the reason why the Lakers lost the 2004 finals
Hisoka The Magician Shaq: 9-11FG | Rest of Lakers 9-30FG
Your so wrong buddy...
@@johnmccarthy4003 played to the pistons gameplan
@@johnmccarthy4003 no he's right your wrong
@@johnmccarthy4003 how is 9-30 wrong lol? that defense caused that
Kobe
LMAO, the play by play guys pulled no punches. Awesome.
Kobe is thinking of MVP not the ring
Shaq was always better than Kobe. Not even a debate.
So how did kobe win more without shaq than shaq did without kobe?
@@lioninthesun 3 of kobes rings are shaqs. So it's 4 rings to 2 rings.
@@kimjongun2946 you need to get checked kid. The 2001 lakers were the greatest team ever. Shaq and kobe were equals and kobe was the designated closer. Throughout the western conference playoffs which they swept three rounds kobe averaged 31 and shaq averaged 29. You are annoyingly ignorant
@@lioninthesun what a bizarre thing to say
@@kimjongun2946 I stated facts tho
I watched ever minute of that series. I always loved both Shaq and Kobe; but THIS ONE was MOSTLY Kobe's fault. The Pistons were playing Shaq one-in-one. He would have either: fouled out every big man Detroit had on their team OR force them to double-team him - allowing Kobe to go off.
Pablo Novi Shaq’s stats and shot attempts in that series weren’t that far off of his season average. The Lakers were never going to win that series. They could have played 10 more games and the pistons would probably have won every game. It was just the worst possible matchup for the Lakers
@@Benjamin-gn5pb Still doesn't change the fact shaq wouldve fould out the entire pistons team, then whos guarding shaq?
@@gangstagummybear3432 Just go back and watch the series - the games are all on TH-cam. The Lakers got dominated. It was just a terrible matchup for them. Not only did they struggle against the Detroit defense, they also had trouble playing defense against Detroit. That’s just a recipe for failure.
@@Benjamin-gn5pb Unless the refs are corrupt, and dont give shaq foul cals, detroit is fuqued, even if you think shaq wont make freethrows.
@@gangstagummybear3432 Why are you even arguing on this? It wasn’t even like the series was close. They almost got swept and half the games were total blow outs. Shaq averaged 26.6 per game that series. A couple of the games they lost by like 20 points. Or one was, and the last game the Pistons were up by so much that they pulled the starters. So what do you saying, maybe if Shaq had just scored like 50 points a game then the Lakers would’ve easily won? Get the hell out of here man you sound stupid.
13:00 how do you have a camera angle right there? is it in the floor or something?
ComaAlpha they had a floor cam.
These announcers are literally just Lakers fans sitting at home on the couch lol
Kobe fans will NEVER be able to get over Shaq winning all three finals MVPS during the 3-peat. It will haunt them FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!!! 👻👻👻👻👻👻👻
br 1251 um bro 😂
it ain’t that deep pimp
They won as a team so shut up.
Thats exactly why KOBRICK don’t belong in the goat convo. Got carried by someone on his first 3 rings, only won 1 mvp in 20 years and you got these Kobrick fanboys talking about he’s better than Jordan😂😂😂
@@menace5802 You suck
The answer is kobe wanted to be 2004 mvp. Kobrick
I Kobe was tripping this entire series...no way they should have lost
I would have definitely been mad if I was Shaq lol. I can definitely understand his "selfish" comments
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And people want to compare him to Michael
@@jhihadoutlaw5549 Kobe ain't shit,lol, you lame ass, he got carried by Shaq for 3 straight rings, and then cost them the 2004 championship by bricking all of those shots, lol
@D-NBA you can't compare pippen to Shaq, Shaq was the go to guy on that championship team,they had won 3 rings with feeding shaq, in the paint, 7 foot tall 25 points a game monster Shaq was, but Kobe got in his feelings and try to prove they could win a ring with him leading the pack and lost, lol
clinton mays Your right. I know for a damn fact in the 90s MJ would’ve won atleast 1 championship without Scottie. If LeBron had Kobe’s 2006 squad, I believe he would’ve went to the finals. He probably would’ve had 55 wins
@@wanilimbe In the west? Ha! No. LeBron Finals teams at least had one all-star caliber player (Mo Will, Illagalskus guy, etc.) and a few decent players before the roster turned to trash, no hate tho.
Jordan was so much better. He would of passed to Shaq and shaq would of passed to him. Not even close
The Pistons had an excellent game plan. Don't double Shaq and eventually Kobe will start pushing. Prince created allot of problems for Kobe.
it almost feels like shaq is having too much fun and kobe was getting jealous LMAOO
They had more trouble dealing with Wade, Shaq, and Mourning. They beat them in 05 but lost to them in the 06 ECF.
omg...i forgot how Wallace was abused by Shaq in 1st game.
Ol' Dirty Dasher people love saying how shaq could have averaged 50 for the series, but the reality is that he lacked the stamina and endurance it would have taken to have taken that many shots every game. He played 47 minutes in game 4 and then turned around and got outclassed by Ben Wallace in game 5. For shaq to have taken the volume of shots needed to score 50, his shooting percentage would have dropped and even his already abysmal free throw percentage would have suffered as well. The lakers lost to the better *TEAM*
Mohammed Babaki I believe they were fairly even. I think Lakers should’ve won. Kobe sold
@@mohammedbabaki1534 nah the lakers were the better team . Even Jordan after this series stated the pistons weren’t legit champions
And this is a huge reason why Kobe ain’t a top 100. Single-handedly destroyed the lakers and got Shaq packing.
Okay. Stop it. He certainly isn't top 10, and for me, even top 20 is debatable but stop it with the nonsense. He is a top 100 player.
The Pistons just took it to the Lakers.
Why tf did Kobe do this? Kobe had so many years left if he wanted to Prove he could be the NUMBER ONE OPTION.
Exactly
To win mvp
I agree that Wallace didn't "shut Shaq down," but he and Campbell made him work. Eventually he got tired and that limited his total points. As great as the guy was, he didn't have Wilt Chamberlain level stamina.
I'm not saying Kobe played perfectly, but the better team won. You're not going to win too many playoff series if your 3rd to 9th guys are outplayed by the other team's 3rd to 9th guys.
Exactly they were not going to give shaq easy shots in the paint. And yes the pistons were the better team.
@@DrSanto91 🤡🤦♂️
I don't understand how this has so little views
Cuz I barely ever upload stuff so people don't pay attention to my channel.
No because your name is stupid and if you really believe your name, then you are nothing more than a troll.
+Kobe Not Top 100 Naw bruh you don't get many views becuz you are a hating ass bitch.Your channel name alone is a joke just like your life.
Bob Cousey because your bias and jealous of a man way more successful than you lazy. Kobe doesn't respond by typing he responds with his talent.
81 points
62 points in 3 quarters
Video The gamer Biased yea. But he presented facts here, 81 points is great but we are talking about the 2004 Finals.
Damn that was hard too watch at what point do you pull the guy?
Hard to watch. And I was in LA, cheering on the Lakers even though I’ve never been a Kobe fan. This illustrated why. He deserves lots of credit, but I prefer a team player to a Melo/Kobe type.
@Ralph Lau I can’t disagree. Kobe was that good to be the best option 85% of the time. But he didn’t make his team better like LeBron or Magic or even Bird did.
Kobe was flying from the court room straight to the finals a serious rape charge on his head
Bottom line Detroit Pistons were the better team because they had a much better defence than the Los Angeles Lakers and Defence wins Championships.
"he knows he is 1 for 6 as opposed to Shaq being 5/5". That tells it lol, 'mamba mentality'.
Shaq is 4 for 6 you dummy
@@christianhilbert1446 cry
@@christianhilbert1446 3:40
Lol mamba mentality gay as fuck
LAL played like that in 2020 playoffs, it was like 2004 pistons and rough 80s bad boys defense.
the lakers that won in 2020? what?????
This was one of the greatest teams that didn't win a championship
C.J. Love ???
So you don't give this detroit team any credit ????
Airdeemoney 1 Saying that they can't stop Shaq, but they come in the game with a brilliant gameplan is not taking away any credit.
It’s okay to agree to disagree!
Larry Brown invented his own Chuck Daley "Jordan rules" on how to deal with Shaq and knew that Kobe's ego and anger with Shaq would ruin him.
No you absolutely give Detroit credit! Go back and look at Chaunceys quote. They knew mr ball hog wanted finals MVP and knew he would get frustrated if they just didn't double on Shaq. That was Detroit's game planning all the way. Doesn't matter if the Lakers had a better looking team it's about strategy so taking advantage of weaknesses is credit due. Just listen to the commentary in this video
No credit for Detroit lol
This is one of the worst displays of selfishness that I’ve ever seen
Yes, because he wasn't even trying to hide it. It was obvious to everyone in the world what was going on. Even the Pistons knew it lol
Whats even more puzzling is that in the previous championships he hit the same shots so mentally there was something going where he completely checked out
Kobe didn't want Shaq to win another Finals MVP so he sabotaged the Lakers.
Kobe would rather lose than be looked at as a sidekick teammate while Shaq wins another Finals MVP.
2:38 classic Shaq free throw lol
Kobe and MJ both had problems with the Pistons
Both of them did have problems with that team. The difference is that MJ was dominating them in points. Kobe was bricking.
@@Sam-ky3su Yeah I agree. I was just saying that 'cause I thought it was interesting to see how the same team caused problems against 2 of the greatest players to play the game.
Totally agree, Lakers should always have Shaq as the focal point of their offense.
Expected more on King’s offence vs Pistol’s defence for that season..
The series was basically Shaq vs Detroit and Kobe Lmao
Kobe wanted to be mj shot the ball poorly kept on shooting anyway
Maybe the tactic of the Pistons was ''let Shaq do whatever he wants, and we will shut down everyone else''. Same tactic Gregg Popovich made against Phoenix Suns in some games in those years, and that is when this tactic got attributed to him in the NBA. After all, he learned a lot from Larry Brown at Kansas University and in San Antonio Spurs. Larry Brown is in my opinion a better coach.
Another thing is that after this Finals, sometime in the summer of 2004, the NBA decided to eliminate FOREARM as a defensive tool, and hand checking practically vanished. Hence the reason in my opinion why they lost the Finals in 2005. This pistons team just played the best defense in the last 2 decades, and won a NBA Championship without a single super star, but with few good and two very good (offensive)players. NBA did not want this team, and other teams that might follow this concept to ruin the Stardom, and the product.
Then after November 19, 2004, nothing was the same anymore. Defense, slowly, had lower and lower impact on winning NBA Championships. After the last couple of minutes of the 3rd, and the whole 4th quarter of game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals, the NBA came officially into the (very) Soft Era. The rest is...not history, but a video game for kids.
LAL played like that in 2020 playoffs, it was like 2004 pistons and rough 80s bad boys defense.
yeah they had two old dudes and gary hadn't played with shaq. when the heat one that was gp's 3rd year playing with shaq.
Pistons were just that good. They played better as a team. End of story
Detroit Fan95 I loved that Laker team but they were outplayed in every since of the word only Shaq truly brought it only tru time I've seen Kobe shut down
Detroit Fan95 Did you watch the video or are you just blindly defending Kobe
He defending #BrickGod
Pretty sure he's defending Detroit.
pistons were good but not that good. if kobe played team ball and limited his shots they could have won the championship, or still lose but won more than 1 game
Selfish chucker. Jordan wannabe
Jordan the GOAT!
Kobe got tired of Shaq getting all the Finals MVPs. He didn't want Shaq to get another so he just ball hogged.
Why do you use toaster to upload video?
On Paper you woulda thought the Lakers should demolish the Pistons right? Nope. First off if it wasnt for Kobe's 33 and game tying 3 in Game 2, the Lakers get swept. The Pistons doubled and triple teamed Kobe while Shaq got single coverage. It was good Pistons defense and some poor shot selection by Kobe but he is not the main reason they lost. Shaq's defense got exposed in guarding the pick and roll plus Gary Payton couldn't play and grasp the triangle, Malone was hurt so chemistry was hurt, Fisher played 15 less minutes backing up GP so that was an adjustment, Kobe and Shaq's beef behind the scenes and through the media. I blame Phil for not making adjustments to the Pistons defense and there was a story that Fisher and Rick Fox both went to Phil and asked them to start but Phil's ego wasn't having it. The same 2 guys who helped Kobe and Shaq win 3 straight championships. Kobe becoming a FA, Malone and the Vanessa Bryant situation, Shaq asking for 30 mil a season when he came into camp out of shape since his first championship and Lakers not wanting to pay him, Phil creating a controversial book called the "Last Season" and says Kobe was deemed uncoachable. Kobe Rape trial case, all these things happening. In Phil's book Eleven rings, he even says with all the turmoil it was a miracle they went to the finals. Kobe deserves some but not all the blame. Why the Pistons were the better team and dominant defensively through tactical strategy. Why do you think Shaq averaged 36 ppg in this series? It's because with Shaq you dominate but that perimeter threat in Kobe puts you over the top. Larry Brown took the Strategy that the Lakers did in 2001 to his Sixers and Iverson. Iverson is gonna get his but gets 2-3 guys on him to make it difficult even if he averages over 30 and make someone else beat him who the Sixers had no threats other than Iverson.
Dude stfu. Kobe was absolute dogshit this whole series. He was the Number 1 reason they lost.
@@Dwade32 that was 4 years ago bud. I changed my tune on that. Kobe was the number 1 reason..........NEXT
Kobe let the team down trying to be mvp sad couldve had six rings but trying to be like mike cossed
Yeah, just re-watched game 1 of the 2004 finals. Shaq was dominate when they bothered to pass him the ball. I forgot just how good Tayshaun was at guarding Kobe. I don't think he got a clean shot off the whole game.
Kobe wanted that Finals MVP badly and the Pistons knew it. Knew he couldn't let Shaq get 4 and him still have 0.
Chauncey robbed Kobe of the Finals MVP, he's the main reason why Pistons won lol
"Shaq getting more touches = easy 2004 championship"
this is laughable. they were just plain outmatched. feeding shaq more sure as hell wouldnt of made enough of an impact to go from getting crushed in 5 games to an EASY championship. With Detroits D that year there was nothing they couldve done that wouldve made it an easy series that defense was way too much for them to handle as evidenced by them pathetic scores they put up. They lost every game by double digits and the final scores looked like scores from college games. Their one lonely win took a buzzer beater from kobe to force OT followed by Det choking in OT by scoring just 2 points. Just face it man they needed alot more then what shaq couldve done for em. They were outmatched in every aspect and they layed down like some heartless pussies when they realized they had no chance.
Detroit's D = easy 2004 championship.
funny thing is...wasnt this the season where shaq had got injured at some point the season before and said "I got injured on company time so Ill rehab on company time". And complains about touches??
no that was in '01 when he hurt his big toe and then waited until after the '01-'02 preseason had already began before deciding to have surgery on it. I remember him saying it was still bothering him throughout the year but i think they still ended up winning the finals that year. I'm sure he was still complaining bout touches though too cuz that was during the big feud with Kobe.
Detroit was prob still gonna win but the Lakers would have had a better chance running the offense through Oneal. He was the only guy putting up good numbers consistently.
Kobe's 38% shooting certainly didn't help lol.
Give it more to the guy who is shooting 63% from the field (MUCH more efficient than 38%). Duh.
that year is the only problem of kobe all legend in nba basketball history is suffering like that sometimes win sometimes loss that it.
Also look how low scoring this game was they didn’t even have 40 by the half compared to games today that’s insane
Miss those scores.. the 130-157 scores now is fucking retarded
This is when Kobe should’ve taken a book out of Jordan page, play like 91 finals Jordan….
91 Jordan? He couldn’t even play like 2002 Jordan in this series lol.
@@TheGr8-1 lmaooo he was on par with 2011 Lebron and Jason terry😭
shaq ate ben wallace
"Shaq" & "Mr. Bryant"💀
Basketball championships are won as a team I never liked Kobe despite he is one of the greatest of all time, but I hated his ego, and it cost him especially championship series like this. Detroit played as a team, and Killed Kobe's ego. It was so bad That's why Shaq wanted to be traded. The lakers beat theirselves but kobe thinking he owned the lakers was his biggest mistake and he was flat out humbled time after time, right after his last title win in 2010. It's not a one person game, just ask Wilt Chamberlain
Kobe would rather lose this series than give shaq another finals MVP and be the great second banana again
100% Kobe literally lost this series on purpose just to spite Shaq.... but Piston fans act like this championship was impressive LOLOL
Most missed shots in NBA history, just guess......this ain't his only game like this. Kobe! Most overrated player ever. You can't put his name with Michael or even LeBron 27ppg vs 24.9 ppg, and much more efficient. Kobe has the same career shooting percentage as Westbrook. Please.
Shaq might have got 100 a game cause I'm feeding him in the low post all game long. Anyone not passing into Shaq is on the bench.
In the 2004 finals the Lakers had only one player shoot over 40% from the field - Shaq who avg 26ppg on 17 fga per in five total games.
In the very next season's ECF the Heat had 6 players shoot over 50% Shaq only avg 20 ppg on 15 fga in 7 total games. Remember Wade didn't play in GM 7 so it should have been Shaq all day l!!!
In 2006 ECF Shaq avg 21 ppg in 6 GMs.
Feeding Shaq less and getting more from other players was the reason Miami pushed it to 7 GMs in '05 and won it in '06..
In three separate series vs Detroit Shaq never dominated and only had two 30 pt games. So, no. Kobe wasn't THE reason the Lakers lost in 2004. He was ONE of many reasons. The Heat had a deeper, more talented, more balanced team with better chemistry both offensively AND defensively. Alonzo Mourning blocked 3 shots a game unlike ANYBODY on that Lakers team including Shaq.. Udonis Haslem outplayed Karl Malone averaging 8 pts to Malone's 4. Eddie Jones and Keyon Dooling were much better than Devin George and Gary Payton and the Pistons had lost Lindsey Hunter, Mehmet Okur and Elden Campbell in the off-season. They did however pick up McDyess.
They could've four in a row. Kobe is my favorite player, but dang man
If the Lakers had won this series, it wouldn't have been four in a row.... They didn't go to the Finals the year before (2003)... The Spurs won the title that year....
@@simonbelmont548 I agree
I remember that '04 Pistons run, and it was awesome stuff. People don't realize that the Pistons had easily one of the best defenses in the league at the time and limiting opponents to 70 points or less wasn't an uncommon feat. The only team that had a better D was the Spurs...who they took to 7 games the following year. Pretty sure if Larry Brown stayed focused on the team, it could've been two straight championships.
Larry was the right coach for this team for the long haul, but he couldn't stay focused.
The name of the channel is silly, but this video is the real deal.
So that's who supplied the bricks for the great Pyramid of Giza
If his shots all pass to Shaq
Maybe there will be a chance to win
If only Shaq stayed in Orlando, with a healthy Penny, they could've won more than 3 Championships.
How in TF are they catching those floor cam shots??? 😲😲🤔
Everyone brings up Lebron against the Mavs when the GOAT talk comes up but they stay silent about Kobe's biggest failure: this series. He got exposed for being a selfish player and then couldn't get out of the first round 3 years in a row.
I try not to speak ill of the deceased but you're right about Kobe fans bringing up LeBron losing to the Mavs but not about losing 4-1 against the Pistons (which I remember everyone was saying that it was a huge upset and that it was a "5 game sweep").
Not only that, but there are other inconsistencies with Kobe fans hating on LeBron such as claiming LeBron chokes wile Kobe gave up a 3-1 lead against the Suns and laugh at LeBron losing against the Mavs when those very same Mavericks team swept Kobe's Lakers who won 57 games and won their 2nd championship the year prior.