A Bishop Preaches Heresy… Does Grace Leave His Entire Jurisdiction?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Excerpt from The Orthodox Ethos Q&A (4/25/24)
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I was baptized in a georgian monestary best descision ive made they are not fans of ecumenism
That’s wonderful! Good for you!🇬🇪
And yes, we definitely aren’t fans of ecumenism.
Ecumenism has different degrees... The most extreme would be to say even the Hindus worship the same God (false). Followed by, Muslims and Jews worship the same God (also false). Followed by wanting to unite with Rome, who had popes will to participate with the above groups (grossly errant practice). Followed by having communion with the non-chacedonian Orthodox Church or Church of the East (still wrong if there is no ecumenical councils held to iron out theological issues). So, which is the Georgian Church? I imagine the last?
@@liquidh5226 none of it, Georgian patriarchate condemned branch theory so has the Russians and I believe a few others
Ecumenism will fail Like all the heresys
@@liquidh5226 why would u assume they have communion with non chalcedonians only Antioch does that under protest from most the church maybe some Greeks but most Greek monestarys and parishes are against ecumenism
And patriarch ilah (patriarch of Georgia) is not and ecumenist either or if he is doesn't get away with it in georgia
@user-dw8rv9mi3l No I'm not asserting. I'm pointing out there are different degrees of ecumenism.
Great video. Legalistic and magical are such a concise way to point out the dangers of a hard line schismatic approach.
In Georgia now for my third time, I love it!
Where are you at?
i am pretty sure all your bishops preach heresy
Papist 😂
unintelligent weeb
while your pope only preaches lgbt and paganism
In revelation, in a letter to one the of the churches, only a few still held onto the faith. Just because the rest fall into heresy doesn't mean the faithful in the group lose the grace of God.
Thank you!
A question, Fr Peter:
What would you recommend for someone that is considering joining the Church, but has no chance of physical attendance?
I live in Spain. There are zero Orthodox churches in my city, or near. And I can't move.
Would you recommend attending a Catholic one for the time being? Is there any possibility of online contact with a priest? I know it isn't ideal, but I cannot do anything else.
Thanks a lot for your attention, Father.
Your videos and guidance are greatly appreciated.
Al.
If you attend a Roman Catholic church, you are a Roman Catholic.
There are ways to pray and live an Orthodox life even if you don't live near a parish. Look to Alaska and St. Herman. He wasn't a priest, and for a time they didn't have a priest. In fact there's communities today that still aren't served by priests regularly.
Do the reader services yourself according to the church schedule. Maybe start a community. Eventually if God blesses, you'll be given a priest.
Are you sure there are no churches near you? I know the MP has a couple and surely other jurisdictions do too. I'm not Fr Peter obviously, but contact the closest canonical parish near you to talk to the priest! He'll be able to help.
I know Serbian orthodox church in spain. You can call them they have spanish speaking priests and will tell you what is best for you.
Thank you Fr for mentioning St Justin Popović, it's insane how some people think he broke from the Serbian Church.
this was very helpful, Father Peter, thank you!
We aren't donatists.
Donatism was the belief that the personal sins of priests and bishops influence the Mysteries. Heresy, schism and personal sins are not the same things. As St. Basil the Great says in his Canon 1, when a priest or bishop goes into schism they lose the grace of the Holy Spirit and cannot bestow the Spirit on others through baptism or ordination. St. Gregory the Theologian stated that we shouldn’t be concerned about what priest administers the Mysteries as long as they are a priest of the Church and haven’t been deposed. Priests and Bishops who remove themselves from the unity of the one Church or are deposed and removed from the Church, do not serve true Mysteries. Bishops of the Church who may be sinful or teach things incorrectly still have true Mysteries if they haven’t been deposed and haven’t broken off into schism.
@OrthodoxEthos Thanks, Fr. Heers for commenting and clarifying.
@@OrthodoxEthos Fr. Heers, I know this is sensitive, but for the benefit of your online viewers, could you find time to update us on your status with ROCOR?
A simple 'No' would have sufficed to such a dumb question, don't you think?
Devil pushing your buttons good and regular it seems.... 🙏☦️
Amen!
Greetings from Bulgaria, father
Thank you Fr!
Yet another great video! 🙏🏿☦️
This is again a deceptive proposition. The answer is no, but that does not mean you should not actively distance yourself from heresy.
...to those who knowingly have communion with these aforementioned heretics..
Canon 15 actually praises people who do so.
How to respond to heresy requires guidance and spiritual discernment. One can “flee” heresy and also end up totally cut off from the body of Christ. Just because one justifies themselves with Canon 15 doesn’t mean they are applying it correctly and automatically blessed by God. A tree is known by its fruits, and the 20th century provided many examples of undiscerning zealots whose breaking of communion resulted in more harm than good.
@@OrthodoxEthosLook at the Saints:
Ἡ Ἁγία Ἀσκήτρια τῆς Κλεισούρας Μυρτηδιώτισα μοναχὴ καὶ κατὰ κόσμο Σοφία καὶ κατὰ τοὺς νεοημερολογιτες ἁγία Σοφία,προερχόμενη ἀπὸ τὴν μικρὰ Ἀσία κρατοῦσε τὸ παλαιὸ ἡμερολόγιο.
Στὶς ἑορτὲς μὲ τὸ νέο,όταν ἐρχόταν μάλιστα κόσμος στὸ Μοναστήρι γιὰ Λειτουργία,αυτή ἔφευγε στὸ βουνό,και κρυβόταν καὶ προσευχοταν μόνη της.
Ἐπίσης συνήθιζε νὰ κάνη στὴν Ἐκκλησία καὶ ἀγρυπνίες χωρὶς Ἱερέα ,μαζὶ μὲ ἄλλους εὐσεβεῖς του Πατριου ἐορτολογίου.
Συμβούλευε τὸν κόσμο:-Οι Πατέρες!...Το Παλαιὸ εἶναι ὅτι εἶναι...Με τὸ Παλαιὸ νὰ πᾶτε....καλά εἶναι........
Ἡ στάσις της αὐτὴ δὲν ἦταν ἀδιακρίτη καὶ χωρὶς γνῶσι.Εἶχε καὶ γιὰ αὐτὸ τὸ ζήτημα πληροφορία...
-Ἡ Παναγία μου εἶπε ,Αὐτὸ εἶναι τὸ σωστό!
Ἂν καμία φορὰ πήγαιναν στὸ προσκύνημα Ἱερεῖς τοῦ Πατρίου ἑορτολογίου καὶ λειτουργοῦσαν,η ἁγία κοινωνοῦσε τῶν Ἀχράντων Μυστηρίων.
Κρατοῦσε Ἐπίσης τὶς νηστεῖες μὲ τὸ πάτριο..
Σὲ περιόδους νηστείας μὲ τὸ νέο,τύχαινε νὰ τὴν ἐπισκεφθοῦν συμπατριῶτες της ποὺ ἀκολουθοῦσαν τὸ πατροπαραδοτο.
Χαιρόταν...καθόταν νὰ φάει μαζί τους ἀρτύσιμα λέγοντας:
-Αυτό (τὸ παλαιὸ ἡμερολόγιο) εἶναι τὸ σωστό....Με τὸ Παλαιό...
@OrthodoxEthos so the True Orthodox breaking communion is the reason why your World Orthodox Bishops are going further and further into heresy?
@@OrthodoxEthosThe testimony of the church doesn’t give us examples of when staying is justified…. St Gerasimos almost lost his soul when he signed the honoticon
Cradle rocorian here..we hate ecumenism as well
I've never heard the moniker "rocorian" before lol. I am also a Rocorian :)
"All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
Soul destroying Poisonous Bishops exist!
Was there ever a time they did not?
It can still effect relationships and spiritual economies. It's not too crazy to think this way from experience if you feel oppressed by it. But there's a right and wrong way to discuss it and in difficult places you may have to painfully hold onto the truth for a while.
Father, what happens if through a Patriarch or the jurisdiction strays by decreeing that we're now in communion with the Latins? I know that this has already happened with a schismatic group i.e. UOC. And I know the GOARCH long ago allowed Ethiopians to commune if there wasn't an accessible Ethiopian church.
What do we do as orthodox? Continue to support that jurisdiction or Patriarch financially?
These things are nothing new I understand.
St. Mark of Ephesus is an example for us. He went to the council of Florence with the Latins and defended the Faith, only breaking communion when his brother bishops formally entered into communion with the heretical Pope of Rome.
@@OrthodoxEthos thank you for the answer, it was very helpful.
How has that happened with UOC? You mean OCU most likely. In that case, I'm hearing concelebrations and what not but never evidence. The MP has a Synodal decision that they will give communion to papists and their people can receive communion from papists. That's never been rescinded. It's been put on ice (though that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I know it does in places from testimonies.) They have synodally embraced *all* of ecumenism and condemned anti-ecumenism as well as treating the papists as a sister church. Most likely accusations come from them.
@@OrthodoxEthos Florence really was a completely different situation. The Orthodox delegates were sent there by the Orthodox Emperor for specific historical reasons (threat from the Hagarenes.) Engaging in debates with heretics isn't against the holy canons or a betrayal of the Faith. Bow there is no Emperor, no such reason, and the hierarchs are sent by the KGB / masonic / J powers behind the curtain. And virtually all of ecumenism including basic membership in the WCC is against the holy canons and it can easily be argued it's a betrayal of the Faith, especially at a time when there's plenty patristic witness against it and an anathema by an Orthodox Synod. That Synod by the considered it wrong to have any intercommunion with those in the WCC.
@@OrthodoxEthosif you are giving people communion… if you are commemorating the pope of Rome… if you’re signing statements saying we are all one church with the same faith… it sounds like you are in communion
For the total devastation of the so called "TO" position look no further than the New Testament. It clearly states that the priests' heresies are not an obstacle for God's grace. The God-killing Messiah-rejecting high priest Caiaphas had the Holy Spirit's gift of prophecy, for example. Also, the apostles didn't find the heresy of the priests serving at the Jerusalem temple to be an obstacle for performing sacrifices and praying there.
The "TO" position is clearly anti-Biblical. That's why they hate the Holy Scriptures so much.
The Old Testament is pretty that grace was withdrawn from the sacraments of the Old Testament… that’s what it means when it says God “didn’t accept there sacrifices. Further the New Testament explicitly says groups will be cut off in the future. If we accept heretical hierarchy as orthodox we have the same position as Uniates
Amen.
well said.
I think I've misunderstood you but who did you just list as a heretic?
He didn't
Thanks!
Kinda like Elpidophoros?....I say yes.