Before You Buy That Tudor Black Bay 54, 58 Or Pelagos FXD Watch: What You Should REALLY Know
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- Are the Tudor Black Bay and Pelagos FXD watches overhyped or are they the best in their price range? Today I take a different approach and share what you absolutely must understand (and something that a lot of people neglect to address) when it comes to this brand's dive watches. Are these Tudor divers the new Submariners of your dreams? Or are they exalted, overpromoted timepieces that some watch reviewers have elevated without fully understanding the design and watchmaking legacy of what came before them? In this video I share what you should know before you buy a Tudor Black Bay 54, 58, Pelagos 39, or FXD watch, and what I believe is the ultimate Tudor diver. I also compare them to the Rolex Submariner ref. 1680, and Tudor Submariner ref. 79090. What do you think of the watches featured in this video? And what's your favorite Tudor dive watch? Please share in the comments.
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Great video as always TGV! Would you choose the new Black Bay monochrome 41 or the Pelagos FXD?
Thank you, deffo the Pelagos, due to these reasons:
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I hope this helps,
Best regards,
TGV
I always enjoy your videos by the way. I have been a submariner purchaser, all vintage and neo (which were new in that time) and I got bored with them. Same with the OP Sea Dwellers. The Tudor sub like yours...is (to me) a 1680 Sub with different dial and name pretty much..... I Agree...the BB 41's are slabs and that is off-putting to me. The 58 and 54 are actually very nice watches. Pelagos 42 is a fun handsome and chunky watch. Enjoyed this vid thank you
The ultimate alternative to a Rolex Submariner is a slightly used Dacia Sandero Stepway.
Great post! I have given this alot of thought. Your suggestion of the Dacia is certainly an alternative. But the ultimate? Surely we can go further than that? Can everyone suggest something more alternative than a Sandero? I need a good laugh ATM. Thanks for everyone's contributions.
YES Captain Slow endorses this post
No!
Great news!
Correct. We often have customers ask us for a Dacia Sandero Stepway, and when we instead sell them a Rolex Submariner, they barely notice the difference.
My grandchildren gave me a 54 Tudor last week. At first I thought it was a watch from the 60s (I hadn't put my glasses on yet). It's a very nice tribute to the Submariners of my youth.
You must have some incredible grandchildren. What a present!
@@rymcn5220 oh yeah, 6 girls and 9 boys. The older one loves vintage rolex...
You know me T! I’ve been lucky enough to have held and worn vintage subs and Tudor subs throughout the last 4 years because of this channel.
Much that I prefer older historic references to own, in 2023 it ain’t practical!;) dodgy bezels, lightweight hollow link bracelets, clasps where you only have to tense your butt cheeks for it to pop out! The ETA’s reliable yes! Still after 40/50 years? Maybe but what can not be dismissed is the in house METAS and COSC movements Tudor have exclusively for their watches now. Yes they are a more affordable watch than it’s bigger brother Rolex BUT! It can no longer be said they are a poor man’s Rolex anymore. Nothing will feel like a Tudor either unless it has ‘Tudor’ on the dial;) love the philosophy my friend and you’re approach to this subject to!
So funny, those are all the things I adore about vintage Tudor subs! 🤣🤣🤣 We are funny creatures.
Thank you fratello,
Best regards as always,
T.
Absolutely! I completely agree. Couldn’t have said it better!
As a Navy Veteran that served 26 years, I can say that the Tudor Pelagos 39 is my favorite out of the bunch. Had mine for a while now, and it never ceases to give me that no nonsense, tooltastic, and militaristic feel⌚️⌚️⌚️⌚️⌚️⌚️
Same here. Navy vet. Pelagos FXD would have been my daily if had been available then. Incredibly good
Guarantee you both will love the FXD 🇺🇸.
Pelagos 39 was a bit too dressy for me (and the example I handled had a bezel so misaligned it would beat any Seiko in a contest to misalign a bezel), so I ended up with a blue homage of it that kept the more toolish vibes of the bigger version on the dial and bezel.
Love it. Only serious flaw I find is that the crown is a bit oversized for the 2824-based movement it comes with, and it digs up into the wrist if not on a NATO strap (which is how I intended to wear it, so that's not too much of an issue for me).
Great video, classic TGV. I went in on a BB58 gilt dial initially because it's the closest thing I can get to my dive watch grail - Rolex 14060M. After 1 year of ownership, I really appreciate it for its own personality and I absolutely love it. Couldn't do without it.
I'm a fan of the Pelagos myself. Love the square hour markers and the snowflake hands. Plus the all brushed look is just 🔥!
Yup. The Pelagos proudly declares itself as a Tudor, not a wannabe Rolex. And, it's a truer spiritual descendant of the old Tudor subs, not an attempt to recapture nostalgia. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you.
Agreed. I want a Pelagos.
Agree. Love mine!
My favorite modern Tudor is the Pelagos 39. I just love it on wrist. Worn & Wound posted a great video comparing the 14060M Rolex Submariner to the P39 and found the Sub to be 39.4mm in diameter, while the P39 is 39.6mm. I think maybe that slightly larger than 39mm size (with the bezel sticking out a tiny bit) is why it wears so well, yet does not feel diminutive even on my just over 7 inch wrist. The only thing I would love more is if they had a date version and if they had a blue option. My favorite vintage Tudor is the blue snowflake Submariner, without a doubt. The prices of those now are eye watering though.
I have a BB58 blue and just absolutely love it, ended up selling a datejust 41 because it got zero wrist time and was just sat in my collection gathering dust. I now rock a three watch collection and the black bay gets the most wrist time. I don't see Tudor as the brand people buy because they can't get a Rolex I see Tudor as the brand people buy who understand where Tudor is positioned in the segment. Excellent value for money.
Tudor's a thinking mans Rolex, for people who don't need to flex 🤣
I own a pre-ceramic 11610LN. My BB58 wears very similar to my Sub, but with more of a 6538 vibe. The Tudor has a lot of Submariner DNA. All are great watches. Wear what you enjoy!
Think I've seen this video 35 times already and it gets better each time. It's like a complex epic movie. The more you watch it, the more layers it reveals. Great work as ever my man. Sterling stuff old bean.
Speaking of other brands like Lorier and Yema... The Certina DS Action Diver 38 offers the same Submariner-esque feel while being its own thing for 1/5 the price of rht Black Bay.
I bought a 42mm Pelagos as i am a scuba diver and i love the real rugged, no nonsense tool that it is. It makes me think it is the watch the Rolex Submariner would've become if it had stayed as a military tool watch and not become a luxury item. Great video as always and thought provoking perspective on the black bays 👌👍
Couldn't agree more. That's how I feel about my 42 Pelagos
Can't entirely agree with that. A sub can still be a military watch. The decision to do so is only in our heads.
@@georgeii2629 not at those prices!
Big Facts! 💯%
I feel the same way about the Pelagos 39. it‘s just looks more like the tool watch that a Sub used to be and what it might have become. Perhaps even more so if it had a flat dial like the Pelagos.
Edit: i think my friend‘s P39 looks and feels amazing, but I know that I‘m getting the blue MN FXD instead (or first😄). That’s the one for me.
I recently bought the pelagos fxd black version and absolutely love it, a beast of a tool watch. Great video!!
I own a Blackbay P01. It is unusual to say the least, and that is what I love about it. The P01 is the second Tudor I purchased after buying the 40mm 1926 with the opaline dial and blue markers. The watches could not be more different but I adore them both.
I love these essays. Thanks for sharing your hard work and insights Sir.
Really glad to see that you continue with your signature type of comprehensive video-stories 👌🏻 thank you for great content again 😊
Best way to start the weekend with! Thanks TGV
🙌🙌🙌
Thank you Javi,
Best regards,
TGV
One of your best videos in a while. Fantastic production and great advice. I agree with you on the slab sides of the black bay being a huge issue for wearability. Really does give that 'hockey puck' vibe, even though when the watch isn't all that thick.
A most brilliant job of editing. Hat's off once again. Bravo!
Always a good day when TGV drops a video
Thank you! Ive been wonderin this for years!
Bravo! Another brilliant video for us enthusiasts. I picked up the FDX last month, and I am blown away by its tool beauty.
A wealth of information and an amazing content. Thank you!
Always great content . Thank you.
This is the first one of your videos I’ve watched, and wow! Phenomenal content
Excellent video TGV. Thanks!
My favorite Tudor diver is the 7016. I too get more of a vintage Submariner vibe from my Lorier Neptune than from the Black Bay or Pelagos. Thank you for another great video!
Great vid - can see the amount of work that went into making it!
I remember one of your Submariner videos, years and years ago, when you first got a Submariner. You have come a long way. Good video.
On my third viewing now. Always appreciate your research.. Great work. Some stunning timepieces there.
Outstanding- what an excellent insight, thank you 🙏
Excellent commentary. I own a 2019 Submariner and I love my Tudor BB58 blue not because it’s like a Sub but because it’s has its own identity. I find it to be nearly the exact same size as my 5 digit reference Rolex models. I also agree the Pelagos FXD is the most pure tool expression of Tudor divers and need to add one to the collection! I like Tudor for being different than Rolex not just a cheaper version.
Love it.. Great as always TGV
Your writing in this felt so beautiful and profound.
Thank you so much, you are very kind to say so.
Best regards,
TGV
Fell in love with the Pelagos 39 after seeing it in person.
Thank you for another greatly informative video. Cheers!
Thank you for yet another amazing eye opening video. Still in much love with my Pelagos 25600TN, but now really thinking to a Tudor Submariner. Cheers and keep up the awesome work you're doing!
A little off topic, but I quite enjoyed the format of the intro and outro of the video! The walk in and out is a subtle, but nice touch.
And now you have me thinking of buying a vintage Tudor sub...thanks for that!
I got my 1st Tudor which is BB Pro GMT and it really was what I wanted (I'm a frequent traveller and it's my Go To watch and low profile). I was then on Wait list for Tudor All Blacks LE with local AD and after several months they had it available, although I lost out to their highest spender (even though on CV I felt that probably deserved it more Haha). Anyways I look forward to getting the BB58 some time in the future as I had recently fell vicitim to several impulse buys (of watches) and want to really focus on wearing (enjoying) the current ones in my humble collection. Grazie mille for the excellent and informative VDO as always.
I agree completely with your statement, buy a Tudor BB because you want a Tudor BB. I own the black and gilt 58 and adore it. I feel it might just be the ultimate vintage inspired diver (for me) and find the dial incredibly beautiful, the build quality exceptional, and the movement super reliable and accurate. I've swapped it to the new ranger bracelet with Tfit clasp and it's spectacular. I don't see it as a sub or wish it was a sub, I just see a beautiful warm tone dive watch with exceptional build quality.
That’s a pretty cool idea, it also does away with the faux rivets. I didn’t know the ranger and 58 bracelet were interchangeable. Can you buy just the bracelet and how much does it cost (approximately)?
Tudor really should upgrade their 58 lineup with the T-Fit.
@Bisley1 Yes I believe it's available separately, I've seen them around $800. I purchased a ranger and swapped bracelets haha.
TGV. Incredible quality in this video. Well done and as always. Pure class. The new FXD blacked out. Or the black Pelagos.
Another quintessential upload tgv best wishes fella🤙🏻
Very cool video, great visuals!
Hope everybody do realize the fact that TGV is basically releasing high quality, ultra informative mini documentaries, twice a week, FOR FREE.
The time and efforts spent here are invaluable.
superb video. thank you.
Thoughtful, thank you
Great video.. Ive been searching for a vintage 7928 and now will have to add the 79090 into the search, decisions decisions..
It’s amazing how my watch preferences have evolved. Starting out I couldn’t have imagined wanting a vintage watch and now I’d actually prefer it to modern releases. A vintage Tudor sub over a modern Rolex sub a 100 times over! The Tudor no date sub would be my dream watch but a 79090 like yours I would not turn away lol. If I were intentionally going in harms way, one of the early Pelagos with the ETA movement and 500 meters of water resistance would be my first choice. Another outstanding presentation as always! Well done 🥃
My hunt for a small-ish, sub-ish watch led me to the Super Squale. Classic size, looks great on straps of all kinds, and won't cost me a car payment to service in a few years. Great episode, I appreciate your take on the 54 - it almost got me when it came out!
Have a Squale. Have four Tudors. They are worlds different. The quality of the Tudor is light years ahead of the Squale. And my Squale is one of my most special pieces.
totally hear you on this - i tried on a handful of tudors, owned omegas, currently own oris, so i get the sort of relative quality perspective. for me, though, the vibe i was after wasn't there on the black bays. @@ExpeditedProductions
A deep video, no pun intended. Amazing job, TGV.
TGV this is your best video yet, your monologue from 19:35 towards was so articulate and illustrative, you truly incapsulated man's ambitions to conquer the world and the seas, and through that, himself, all while accompanied by a faithful diver. I implore you to start writing literature, if not it would be a talent wasted. All the best
Really enjoyed this one TGV. I have a Squale homage to a 70s sub. I really enjoy it and will enjoy it that bit more after this. Thank you
Nice interesting review all the best always🎉
I love my Black Bay 58 gilt dial, I went for it because its very me in my personality and I got it to commemorate getting through my first deployment with the US Air Force AND being in for 10 years.
I love the Black Bay 58 Blue for what it is. I prefer it over the Rolex Subs or even the vintage Tudor Subs. Nothing to do with cost, I would chose the BB58 Blue over the Rolex Sub always.
Hi TGV!
Thanks for this overview of the Tudor Sub history. For now I’m quite happy with my modern Pelagos 39 because it wears so perfectly light and comfortably.
Best regards,
Claus
Great video, as always, TGV. Delighted to see the late, great Robbie Coltrane make an appearance.
Agree entirely, the Tudors I’ve owned and own I bought for what they were, not what I wanted them to be. I fear many are disappointed when they do not do this.
Picking up my new FXD tomorrow, as it happens. Despite the MN heritage and story behind the Blue, I’ve opted for the versatile Black. Should be a very happy chap this time tomorrow 😊
I think the Pelagos FXD totally rocks. I have the blue Marine Nationale one myself. It's the closest thing to a genuine "tool watch" which is still being made today, IMO, and it makes a great watch for weekend casual wear. I don't think it's meant to be Tudor version of "a Submariner". It might have some DNA from a Submariner, but I'd say it has DNA from a Sea-Dweller and a titanium Yachtmaster too. It is its own thing.
I went with the Black version, but totally agree with you. Truly incredible piece!
Loved the brief appearance of the late great Robbie Coltrane in Blackadder. That deserves an extra thumbs up 👍. Superb educational video. Do love Tudor. Think it's a great piece of advice, that can be applied to any watch .....if you want a particular model, buy that model, because something else no matter how nice (and indeed may make you glad you got it) isn't going to satisfy your desire for that particular watch. As always great video sir. Have a fantastic weekend
YES! That Lorier Neptune is an awesome watch! I own a Rolex Sub and the Lorier....that punches WAY above it's weight...
Great video as always I guess my fav would have to be the Blacked out version that is a dope Tudor Black Bay it's so stealth looking the pvd is so cool looking on watches.
This is a complete documentary 👏
John Carpenter’s “They Live” is very under-appreciated and the use of black and white as the sunglass effect is a novel and inexpensive effect that works. Film seems as timely today as it did during the days of Reagonomics, too. I wish Tudor would release a smaller Pelagos FXD - their jacquard straps are offer a lot more depth than a printed strap.
I always feel like I learn something on this channel. That's the key difference between TGV's approach and all others. I've been original Gentry for years now. A suggestion for the future - an unboxing of the new Timex diver. Thanks!
that shot at 20:30 👌👌👌Great video T!
TGV, I love your intro. This one most of all: where the first stunning image of your grandfather invites us into the video.
7:30 got it! I snorted.
Thanks for putting out this video. It back up my personal belief, that the submariner is the most useful automatic watch ever produced. I think that every watch collector enthusiast should own at least one because of the visual aesthetic, as well as the practical usage. It’s an ultimate tool watch.
Pelagos FTW! Love that’s a true balance of heritage inspiration and forward thinking execution
I’ve got the Pelagos 42 in blue and love it it’s a great tool watch wear it most days as a joiner but I’ve found it never looks out of place if I’m in my work clothes or in my nice smart clothes as we
Bought a BB54 for a reason and I thoroughly love it!
I own the BB Heritage Gen II Cherry Bezel. A bit big and bulky...and I friggin LOVE it. I guess that's all that matters in my book. Wonderful breakdown and education as usual T. Onward and upward! Cheers.
I love your video production. The intro’s look fantastic. You need to some how add Hugo to one of your collaborations. Great video
Video pazzesco!! 🤙 Thanks!!
What a beautiful Friday. Went and saw Nitro circus last night, it’s a beautiful day here in CA and a new TGV video. Thanks as always sir! Have a great weekend
Thank you my friend, same to you, but it sounds like you already are off to a good start ;-)
I had to google Nitro Circus, it looks insanely cool!!!
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentrydefinitely go see it if you get a chance
great Video! I had my eye on an BB58 for quite some time. I recently purchased my first Tudor! Biggest watch purchase I have ever made. But It was not a diver, It was a new Smooth bezel Blackbay 41 with the new Jubilee style bracelet with the tfit clasp. To me slimmer case and lack of dive bezel fixed all the qualms i had with the BB divers. In my mind its like a date just without the date but the iconic snowflake hands.
I really like my BB58 blue! I got it last year and it hasn’t stopped running yet (I almost never take it off). It would be a perfect watch if the bracelet were the quick-adjust variety. If the 54 were available at the time I bought it, I probably would have gotten the 54, though.
Good evening TGV! Great video on a friday night, enjoying it with a glass of red wine. Good points you are making in regard towards the Tudor Black Bays and the Pelagos. I agree, If one buys them as a substitute for a Submariner, one may be disappointed. We should take them as their own class of divers, not a cheaper and more accesible version of the Submariner. Have a great evening!
I have a super case Sub, 58 and 54. When I tried on the 54 I was sort of blown away and had to have it. I love it, but it is a Tudor and it's own watch, which is why I got it. In hindsight I would maybe of preferred the new 41 on jubilee, but at the time the 54 had me and I still love it so no regrets, I may get the 41 eventually or may not, no rush. I would say I was influenced at the time by the Zenith Defy classic 37 mm which I had just got. One regret I do have is selling my FXD, first generation, I miss that, but I will no doubt get one of those again. Great up as usual TGV!
Love these videos. Love the history nods. Bravo.
My Tudor timeline went 58, Chrono, Sub 79090. To my latest present to myself a S & G black face which was a present to myself I never thought I’d like a two tone watch. Too blingy, that thought Always stopped me buying the 16613LN. But I adore the thing.
I have the Tudor BBR41, bb58 navy and pelagos 39, the p39 is my fav for balance of design, darker look and light feel of titanium and simplicity of black dial with Splash of red
Hi Buddy! Such a beautifully put together video. I had two BB58'S. Eventually sold them as I later thought I may have been caught up in that current hype maybe. Settled down to a two piece collection, a MM300 Seiko and my grail Planet Ocean. Love to pick up your Tudor oneday, such a perfect balance.
I love your collection, pure class my friend. The best of Japan and the Swiss in 2 watches.
Enjoy and thank you for sharing that, I envy such focus and clarity. Maybe a 3rd dress Tudor would be a killer option.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Thankyou for your kind words! I did have a bigger collection but had to sell due to a work injury incurred in March this year. I think I held on to my favourite pieces there. Thanks again.
I never owned a tudor but looking into back bay 54, i own a vintage rolex triple zero submariner!
Funny, i was thinking of buying a seiko spb 143 but ofc i compared it to tudor so this video comes in handy! Thank you tgv!
Great review. The Pelagos 39 is my Sub - perfection.
Love your videos, as always amazing show! Little correction regarding plénitude of shoreline. In Europe you have Greece first and then UK ;)
for years now I own a '67 Submariner ref 7928. Rose logo, smiley face... really love it!
Great stuff as always! Hot take to add into the debate… Of all of the tudor’s I’ve experienced the one that give me the closest Submariner vibe is the one I own… The P01!!! Case wise it’s nothing alike, yet with the dial, crystal and design of ergonomics of the bezel somehow there genuinely feels like a sub is trapped in the steel waiting to be carved out lol
Amazing knowledge and info Tristano! Thanks!
Since 2019 I own the 58 and It's already worn and beautifully scratched... I love it. wears amazingly, it is also very pleasing aesthetically (for me, architect here), the thiner lines in the bezel compared to the thicker non matching lines (bezel-dial) from the 54, the red triangle and the second markers... The way the gilt catches light... even the clasp is shorter and although you can't "perfectly" adjust it, it fits more ergonomically.
I wasn't looking for a Submarineresque vibe, I was looking for a Tudor that can age with me, although I love the Sub's history both Tudor's and Rolex. So I get the 54 is more refined... and I get the Pelagos 39 is amazing as a contemporary real tool watch, but this 58 is staying on my wrist and hopefully will end on my daughter's one day (bought it because of her being born). Cheers!
I enjoy watching a myriad of watch reviews. I own over 20 divers watches. I find for me your reviews to be the most interesting, educational and entertaining. As I scan the shows the topic of who is going to be the next James Bond keeps popping up everywhere. Are you sure you are too busy? Your loyal fan Friend Vince.
Awesome video TGV, really enjoyed it. .
To me the Pelagos is the natural sucesor to the Tudor Sub, its where evolution has taken it, rather than the throwback BB models that want to recreate the past.
Enjoy your channel, well put together content and tidbits of history. In this video at the 6:40 there are birds chirping, are they in the song or natural background sounds?
I’ve a BB heritage with alloy bezel, looks similar to the new GMT.
Great looking watch and I have it on a black Tudor leather strap.
Never let’s me down and very accurate.
Yo TGV just had a philly Cheese out here in LA and saw your show - Love the presentation!..... U Da Bomb!
Ever since I got the Black Bay Ceramic, I really find it frequently in my watch rotation. Tudor has been killing it with that collection, though I do wish it wasn’t their main focus.
I’d get nearly any Tudor diver, but the only Rolex diver that interests me are the older references. Love those classic proportions. Also whenever you do these videos I’m tempted to throw on my Pro Diver 😅
I was thinking T should have posted a video now. This looks to be a great one. Although I've been telling you about the navi 806, certainly been looking at a few others 🤣🤣. Looking forward to what you recommend. In terms of Tudor, although not dive, I think if they introduced their albino GMT in the black bay pro size would be pure class. Black bay pro has a place in my heart too.
Awesome video! Thumbs up of course. I've owned the Pelagos blue and black but the new FXD black is calling to me. :) Just wondering if you've ever covered Certina, I don't recall you mentioning them? I just ordered a black 43mm DS Action Diver and was searching your archives and couldn't find anything on the company. Love the channel and always love seeing your new videos in my feed! By the way, those macro shots of the FXD! 🤌
Amazing intro 🎉
I had a good laugh when you compared your arms with Alberto Giacometti's sculptures. I will remember that line when describing my own 😅
Finally, somebody got it! Stay cultured my friend. I'm pleased to have you with us, O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
I wanted to avoid the hype train that is such the modern, watch market, so I waited another year after release and purchased the Pelagos 39mm used. I love the watch and got it because I wanted a more modern Tudor. I also own a 79091 Blue Dial Tudor and that is honestly my favorite Tudor because of the case design ... so I couldn't agree more with your analysis on the modern Tudor designs. They do have that "hockey puck" look to them. The case designs for divers of the late 70's through the late 90's in my opinion were simply the best! Great analysis and video!