I just bought a bugout. I also looked at 4 different PM2's (S45VN/Camo G10) and every single one of them had noticeable up/down blade play. Does that mean I should hop on TH-cam and make a video about how the PM2 sucks?
Absolutely send me the link! Lmao I have two PM2s one for after work and one I kick the crap out of and leave in my work pants and take to the jobsite daily. Neither of mine have blade play. They are the g10 with s45vn blade variants. Weird cause I own a few other spydercos too like the delica and the native 5 and no blade play either. Acually all my axis locks have the slightest blade play side to side compared to everything else
I understand the criticisms about the bugout. I criticise it intellectually too but in the real world: the Bugout cf is the invisible, barely there knife that makes it into my pocket I have other, much “better” knives (CRK’s, Hinderers) but this exact knife, the cf version, is in my pocket every day coz i don’t have to think about it or feel its presence Wish they would update the blade steel though but S30 is perfectly functional. I just want magnacut because everyone else has magnacut 😀
That’s a good point ! 1st off they should make more durable springs and should provide extras, or atleast allow you to get new springs from them, they only replace broken springs if you send it in. That’s why I just get aftermarket replacements and install it myself
A knife is not a fidget toy. If you actually have to open and close it several times an hour you're probably using the wrong tool for the job. You just can't blame the springs for misusing the knife. I personally break 1-2 pair of Victorinox scissor-springs/year because I use the scissors to process my pipe tobacco every day. This is not the intended use for them. Same with the BM ohm-springs. No metal as delicate as those springs should be stressed to the level of them breaking on you. If they are, they'll break..and it's your fault. It's simple physics, really. Take a paper clip, bend it back and forth rapidly. You will notice how it gets warm, then stiff..and snaps. Spring steel of course can take a lot more abuse than a paper clip, but will eventually snap if you stress it too much. No matter how much you WANT to drive your Ferrari across a potato field, you probably SHOULDN'T. ..at least not blame the car if it breaks while trying. 😊
I don't have a strong opinion about the bugout either way. Spyderco was my first foray into pricier knives and pretty much "stole my heart". Even though I made fun of my friend when he showed me his Spyderco years ago. They're not pretty but they work.
I think most people (myself included) are aware of the knife not being for hard use. It’s the feeling of cheapness nobody likes. The CF elite version you have is a much better version than the standard grivory. Nobody wants something that feels delicate in their pockets everyday. I have nothing against polymer handles as long as they have liners or don’t flex super easily. I love the Bugout. Have the aluminum one & think it’s great
The use case of the bugout is exactly in the name. Just a lightweight knife you can throw in your bugout kit and forget about. That said... With other knife companies spitting out their versions of axis lock knives everyday for sub $50 I think the bugout has a harder time proving it's worth.
I have the Bugout Mini and I like it. Used to carry it daily and I even got micarta scales for it. But I had the omega springs break twice on me and they are an absolute pain te replace (especially one side). This gave me some trust issues but I shoukd seriously start carrying the knife more often.
I have had omega springs break on me as well. I replaced them with aftermarket springs and the aftermarket springs have appears to hold up much better than the factory ones that benchmade puts on there knives! Flytanium also make a great tool called the “pivot tool” for benchmade knives which allows you to keep the pivot (blade and liners) held together while you removes the scales , and makes it much easier to take out omega springs and replace news ones much easier
@@RockyMountainEDC Yup, but me living in Europe a lot of things are hard to get, stupidly expensive or unabailable period. I replaced mine with original Chinese springs because the official ones are Chinese too, whatever you want too think
It’s cool with the cF scales or awt scales or something like that but yeah all that loot for a cheap ass scaled knife is kinda bs . Actually most of Benchmades prices are bs imho . I have a few and they’re not special for what they cost but have a great warranty so maybe paying for that . I compared the Knick offs to og and there’s very little difference . I wouldn’t even buy one of these used for fear a clone would come since so many people have learned the hard way and there’s a bunch of pricks doing that .
It’s nice, but at most it’s a $55 in Canadian dollars. Therefore it is not worth the hype. I personally checked one out and decided to just buy a real Benchmade. But I wasn’t hyped about it. If I’m spending $300 on a pocket knife all I feel is pressure to make it worth it. I’d be hyped to get one for free, because then I wouldn’t be thinking about how many hours I had to work to afford it. And how hard I have to use it to get my money’s worth out of it.
The 535-3 model has carbon fiber scales and S90V super steel blade, blue spacer and blue thumb studs. The model you are featuring has the S30V blade and the stock grivory scales.
Anyone with a sound understanding of Total Quality principles as well as the need to meet a wide assortment of performance requirements would immediately recognize that the Hogue Deka is a FAR MORE SUPERIOR knife!! (and at a more affordable price).
@@WalterWhite-e3s Just one more reason why ‘some’ people prefer to purchase decrepit, unreliable ford and chrysler tin cans over wiser folks which limit their choices to vastly superior Toyota and Honda vehicles. It’s still a free country!!…
My Ti Cormorant weighs 2.8oz, has full titanium build, 20cv blade steel, milled titanium clip, and has button lock vs bar lock. For the same price... I own an aluminum Fact, but the bugout is an outright scam.
NONE of Benchmades lineup right now is worth the hype. ALL overpriced and overrated Its like they think theres no competition out there. No value in buying Benchmades anymore.
Sadly that is true ! However people keep buying them because of hype built up around them for years. I think their knives are good knives, but they should be better for the price they ask. Most of there knives should be going for in the 100-200 dollar range, some maybe less.
Sorry boys, I contributed to them keeping their prices high. Just picked up a mini crooked river, 940, mini adamas in magnacut, and a cf elite bugout. Ohh I got my girl a mini bugout in seafoam for valentines coming up as well sorry fellas. I’ll go back to budget brands and spyderco for a bit.
Way over priced. Great knife though. I have 3 bought when they were way cheaper a few years ago. Ultimate light weight knife imo.. Just look out for sales....
@@gratz141 they are running for about 170-180 US dollars at the moment base price for retailers …with MSRP being about 190 US dollars. The price has been gradually increasing for a while now ! I can remover them being about 130 a couple years back
I've got a Griptilian too and their's plastic handles ARE pretty good, but to neater dressing, I recommend the black one 🤙🤙
I just bought a bugout. I also looked at 4 different PM2's (S45VN/Camo G10) and every single one of them had noticeable up/down blade play. Does that mean I should hop on TH-cam and make a video about how the PM2 sucks?
Absolutely send me the link! Lmao I have two PM2s one for after work and one I kick the crap out of and leave in my work pants and take to the jobsite daily. Neither of mine have blade play. They are the g10 with s45vn blade variants. Weird cause I own a few other spydercos too like the delica and the native 5 and no blade play either. Acually all my axis locks have the slightest blade play side to side compared to everything else
It's definitely my favorite EDC! You forget it's in your pocket! But I understand the expensive price tag for it.
I understand the criticisms about the bugout. I criticise it intellectually too but in the real world: the Bugout cf is the invisible, barely there knife that makes it into my pocket
I have other, much “better” knives (CRK’s, Hinderers) but this exact knife, the cf version, is in my pocket every day coz i don’t have to think about it or feel its presence
Wish they would update the blade steel though but S30 is perfectly functional. I just want magnacut because everyone else has magnacut 😀
You forgot to mention the problem with broken springs. At the selling price Benchmade should include an extra set of springs
That’s a good point ! 1st off they should make more durable springs and should provide extras, or atleast allow you to get new springs from them, they only replace broken springs if you send it in. That’s why I just get aftermarket replacements and install it myself
A knife is not a fidget toy. If you actually have to open and close it several times an hour you're probably using the wrong tool for the job.
You just can't blame the springs for misusing the knife.
I personally break 1-2 pair of Victorinox scissor-springs/year because I use the scissors to process my pipe tobacco every day. This is not the intended use for them. Same with the BM ohm-springs. No metal as delicate as those springs should be stressed to the level of them breaking on you. If they are, they'll break..and it's your fault. It's simple physics, really. Take a paper clip, bend it back and forth rapidly. You will notice how it gets warm, then stiff..and snaps. Spring steel of course can take a lot more abuse than a paper clip, but will eventually snap if you stress it too much.
No matter how much you WANT to drive your Ferrari across a potato field, you probably SHOULDN'T.
..at least not blame the car if it breaks while trying. 😊
I don't have a strong opinion about the bugout either way.
Spyderco was my first foray into pricier knives and pretty much "stole my heart".
Even though I made fun of my friend when he showed me his Spyderco years ago.
They're not pretty but they work.
Ugliest best user 👍
I think most people (myself included) are aware of the knife not being for hard use. It’s the feeling of cheapness nobody likes. The CF elite version you have is a much better version than the standard grivory. Nobody wants something that feels delicate in their pockets everyday. I have nothing against polymer handles as long as they have liners or don’t flex super easily. I love the Bugout. Have the aluminum one & think it’s great
The use case of the bugout is exactly in the name. Just a lightweight knife you can throw in your bugout kit and forget about. That said... With other knife companies spitting out their versions of axis lock knives everyday for sub $50 I think the bugout has a harder time proving it's worth.
Good point !!
Nicely done 👍
I have the Bugout Mini and I like it. Used to carry it daily and I even got micarta scales for it. But I had the omega springs break twice on me and they are an absolute pain te replace (especially one side). This gave me some trust issues but I shoukd seriously start carrying the knife more often.
I have had omega springs break on me as well. I replaced them with aftermarket springs and the aftermarket springs have appears to hold up much better than the factory ones that benchmade puts on there knives!
Flytanium also make a great tool called the “pivot tool” for benchmade knives which allows you to keep the pivot (blade and liners) held together while you removes the scales , and makes it much easier to take out omega springs and replace news ones much easier
@@RockyMountainEDC Yup, but me living in Europe a lot of things are hard to get, stupidly expensive or unabailable period. I replaced mine with original Chinese springs because the official ones are Chinese too, whatever you want too think
You probably got a clone.
@@diezelvh4133 definitely no clone, just a bad batch of springs. Not the first and not the last
Delica 4 in k390 is a waaaaaaay better deal. Just 1 example.
And a wayyy better knife imo. The native and sage 5 are better knives/deals too imo.
I've got the Bug in my key chain, the blade is really adorable 🤣🤣👊👌
It’s cool with the cF scales or awt scales or something like that but yeah all that loot for a cheap ass scaled knife is kinda bs . Actually most of Benchmades prices are bs imho . I have a few and they’re not special for what they cost but have a great warranty so maybe paying for that . I compared the Knick offs to og and there’s very little difference . I wouldn’t even buy one of these used for fear a clone would come since so many people have learned the hard way and there’s a bunch of pricks doing that .
It’s nice, but at most it’s a $55 in Canadian dollars. Therefore it is not worth the hype. I personally checked one out and decided to just buy a real Benchmade. But I wasn’t hyped about it. If I’m spending $300 on a pocket knife all I feel is pressure to make it worth it. I’d be hyped to get one for free, because then I wouldn’t be thinking about how many hours I had to work to afford it. And how hard I have to use it to get my money’s worth out of it.
The 535-3 model has carbon fiber scales and S90V super steel blade, blue spacer and blue thumb studs. The model you are featuring has the S30V blade and the stock grivory scales.
Nah it's th cf elite version
@utubetjc no it isn’t the stock grivory scales. The model in this vid is the CF-Elite with the CF scales.
I like it.
Not at $180 it’s not. Barely worth it at $120
Generic knife is gonna serve you for years and years. I don't think in the long run $60 matter of you love it😊
Hogue Deka, cheaper, better steel (Magnacut), about the same weight. 1.85oz (bugout) vs 2.3oz (Deka) I own both. I prefer the Deka.
I do not personally own the Deka, but it seems like a great alternative to the bugout!
Deka magnacut sucks balls.
@@diezelvh4133 spoken like a clueless hillbilly…
its a good knife but its overpriced...
Anyone with a sound understanding of Total Quality principles as well as the need to meet a wide assortment of performance requirements would immediately recognize that the Hogue Deka is a FAR MORE SUPERIOR knife!! (and at a more affordable price).
im returning my bug out tomorrow i just bought one today for $171 but thats too much what im getting
I’m sorry, the Hogue Deka is fucking hideous.
I would much rather have a Bugout or a kershaw Bel Air, or even a PF Tunny.
@@WalterWhite-e3s Just one more reason why ‘some’ people prefer to purchase decrepit, unreliable ford and chrysler tin cans over wiser folks which limit their choices to vastly superior Toyota and Honda vehicles. It’s still a free country!!…
My Ti Cormorant weighs 2.8oz, has full titanium build, 20cv blade steel, milled titanium clip, and has button lock vs bar lock.
For the same price...
I own an aluminum Fact, but the bugout is an outright scam.
I respect your opinion ! Thank you for your comment ! Sounds like a great knife 😁👍
I use my Walmart knife over it
I got a SOG Vulcan instead.
NONE of Benchmades lineup right now is worth the hype.
ALL overpriced and overrated
Its like they think theres no competition out there.
No value in buying Benchmades anymore.
Sadly that is true ! However people keep buying them because of hype built up around them for years. I think their knives are good knives, but they should be better for the price they ask. Most of there knives should be going for in the 100-200 dollar range, some maybe less.
Sorry boys, I contributed to them keeping their prices high. Just picked up a mini crooked river, 940, mini adamas in magnacut, and a cf elite bugout. Ohh I got my girl a mini bugout in seafoam for valentines coming up as well sorry fellas. I’ll go back to budget brands and spyderco for a bit.
Way over priced. Great knife though. I have 3 bought when they were way cheaper a few years ago. Ultimate light weight knife imo.. Just look out for sales....
I agree!
Why did the price increase? Can I find for less in the US?
@@gratz141 they are running for about 170-180 US dollars at the moment base price for retailers …with MSRP being about 190 US dollars. The price has been gradually increasing for a while now ! I can remover them being about 130 a couple years back
@@RockyMountainEDC that’s a shame, I don’t feel like spending 200-300 dollars for some widget