@@mrmadness2699 many sports including gymnastics, cycling, horseback riding etc can do that. In many Muslim countries a woman can be killed if she didnt bleed enough on her wedding night. Some families pay doctors to sew up extra close to make sure she bleeds plenty. They hang the sheets on their outer wall of their house to prove she was a virgin. They marry a girl of as soon as she has a period, sometimes earlier. If you get her really young she must be a virgin. Many times a father will come home & say "you are married pack a bag I'm taking you there now". The marriage ceremony is between the husband to be & father or brother. She can't object.
What do you mean common? It is highly frowned upon, if one were to engage it such act, according to the Old Testament your the punishment are always worth death.
Wait, how does he know that his daughter didn't steal her BOYFRIEND's virginity? Also... why is he acting like his daughter was murdered or something...? She's fine. She's still there, alive, to spend time with... what did he lose?
He lost power over her and because she's developing her own personality and self esteem and she no longer has that grooming potential future Christian husband would took advantage of. Girl who likes to enjoy her body and life can you imagine that?
I just picture this troubled man sitting in a recliner, teeth clenched, for ten whole years. Just. Consumed with thoughts of his daughter getting freaky. That poor, poor girl.
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though. Thats... bad, too. Duh.
@@CorbCorbin ...Well... buddy... not wanting to say something obvious, but i said 'Dont get me wrong', thinking some people may get me wrong, cause its too high for them. And apparently... this exact thing happened. Your comment shows that your confused about me agreeing OR disagreeing with the Video. So thats that.
Yea, I would be worried if someone that obsessed was stalking me. The part about his religion being the only thing preventing violent action is unnerving.
I doubt that a restraining order would work in this situation. If the father believes that he’s following God’s commands he won’t let a restraining order stop him.
themiddleones Uttering threats is a felony. Start with the restraining order. Include the written threats. If he remains an asshole, have him charged. The evidence is in writing. Should be an easy case.
I know this is not the most appropriate thing, but this reminds me of a meme I saw once. The Dad: "YOU STOLE MY DAUGHTER'S VIRGINITY!!!" The Guy: "Sorry..... Won't happen again. " 😏
I feel like he cries himself to sleep next to his wife and she asks him “what’s wrong honey?” “He…. He… deflowered her” “It was… 10 years ago” “It feels like it was yesterday”
This is what happens when you simply can’t accept an outcome. The only way for for this guy to ever move forward is if the event were unmade. Therefore he has no viable way to move forward emotionally.
They all should. It's one reason I'm not just an atheist but also anti-religion: religion doesn't often make people better, but it sure does seem to empower and embolden people to do awful things. If more people were improved by Christianity than not, I might not worry about spreading atheism so much. But Christianity constantly recreates toxic power structures and gives power to abusers.
Are you talking about the first ring of hell? That's technically limbo so it doesn't count. I've been to the Seventh Ring. You know, the Suicide Forest.
This happened to me. My dad found out I was sleeping with my boyfriend in college. He wrote an angry letter and sent it to my boyfriend's parents. Nevermind that I was the one who initiated the sexual contact in the first place. As a female, apparently I didn't have any agency of my own. Nor could I want sex for myself. My dad assumed that my boyfriend "took" my virginity, though really it was the other way around.
Oh boy. Did he get away with it? Can you imagine if it was the other way around? If a mother came to her son's ex girlfriend with a knife and schreached at the poor girl for "deflowering" her son over 10 years ago. That woman would probably be labelled as a crazy person and the son would apologize to his ex girlfriend for his mother a million times.
All through this, I was thinking, "Forget about the guy, what about the DAUGHTER!" She had to LIVE with the "Dad" through all this, until she was able to get away. What a nightmare! I hope she was able to find her way to a happy life.
It sounds like she avoided much potential wrath... or, at least, that's what I hope. I hope she has gotten away from that terrifying delusional dad and isn't dealing with any sort of purity-based trauma
@@bradleymosman8325 Are you suggesting that's the only alternative to having her dad own her vagina until he transfers ownership to the husband of his choice?
@@uteriel282 I'd disagree with you there, having read both the Bible and the Koran. Certainly the central myths of the Old Testament - Adam & Eve, Noah etc etc, are the same, and Muslims accept the status of Jesus as "a prophet" but the texts are utterly different: the Koran actually owes a lot of its concepts to the Ionian Philosophers.
@@annalieff-saxby568 They are different texts, but both come from similar cultural and religious backgrounds, and the Koran is certainly heavily influenced by Old Testament Mosaic and Abrahamic religious law, which is not surprising seeing as both characters are recognized as prophets in Islam.
Since he's this angry and crazy after 10 years, police report and restraining order please. The father is a loon. I feel so sorry for the daughter, imagine what she had to put up with.
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though. Thats... bad, too. Duh.
@@loturzelrestaurant What's wrong with normalizing sex? I mean, sex _is_ pretty normal, and many people have it at times. Also, economically speaking, sex prices haven't dramatically decreased compared to a century ago.
@@ribozyme2899 sex prices have increased quite a lot in most of the civilized world, actually. If we're talking sex work. The value of people's time increased overall, and the value of women's time and autonomy especially.
have you read the Bible? Marriage is basically a legal agreement between a father and another man, concerning the ownership of the daughter. In this case the father has suffered a material loss under Biblical rules
I think it says a lot that his daughter’s feelings and actions are not mentioned in this letter at all; it’s all about the father. Assuming the relationship was consensual then it’s between her and the boyfriend, no one else. Oh and I’m pretty sure that she’d be guilty of fornication by his definition and also be going to hell, yet he doesn’t seem concerned about at all. Really speaks to the character of the father...
@Davvy Jannes That's crazy. Everyone knows that on the Ascension of Our Lord, His Holy Foreskin rose with Him and became the rings of Saturn. It shrank back down again in 1368 to do service as the wedding ring of Saint Catherine of Siena, when she became a Bride of Christ.
@Davvy Jannes Um Jesus was reported to be a Jew so had no foreskin except at birth. Are you suggesting the mother of Jesus kept her son's foreskin at his circumcision as a souvenir under glass and thus preserved it for the churches to follow?
Given he chose biblical passages that imply forcing yourself on another is a minor whoopsie/prank merely requiring financial restitution, I’m doubtful he views his daughter’s consent as even remotely relevant.
This brand of evangelical doesn't believe girls and women have the moral agency to consent. To this brand of evangelical, the bodies of girls and women are private property passed from father to husband, and public property to be judged and condemned if she rebels and exerts bodily autonomy.
Rest assured the poor girl had to play the virgin seduced by the evil snake into sinning, im so sorry ill never do it again, that kind of thing. If this is how he reacts think of what he would do if his daughter told him she didnt regret it.
@@lucindabreeding absolutely. 100% agree. My dad probably feels like my husband stole me from him before my dad could give me away. I don't know how they about their sons but thats another days discussion
I was raised fundamentalist evangelical, and my parents gave me a purity ring (on a chain so I could wear it around my neck), and even sent on a 'date' with my Mum in my early teens. It really is psychologically damaging, even without hellish death threat letters from Fathers like this one.
@@mihaitha no, I don't "seriously think" he'll realize that in his lifetime, but it's amusing to think about his little world getting crushed by the lies he has believed and pushed all his life.
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though.
@@hungry_khid1007 As a Christian Gnostic who understands history, this is why I'm not a fundamentalist. Too many corrupt people's agendas interfering with the message to the point it might as well be lost on modern Christians today
Is even sadder when you think, in one of the few fully recovered pirate codes, rape is condemned with death and defined " to meddle with any honourable woman without her consent"...like even some pirates considered more the aspect of harming a human being over " property" than the bible.
Back in the 50's and 60's if a girl got pregnant, usually the guy would do the right thing and marry her; however, if not, some parents sent their daughter to a place called "Home For Unwed Mothers" where the girl would have to agree to give up the baby for adoption in order to enter. To me, it was all about "appearances." People cared more about how they looked to others and their so-called reputation than their daughter's feelings and rights.
Funny how the "honor" they liked to tout, was really the father's honor. I guess the daughter being some inferior being, her opinions and honor weren't of import.
I remember girls being "transferred to special schools" while boys were ignored. Girls were shamed and condemned, boys were encouraged and even praised. The babies were dismissed, thrown away, marked illegitimate bastards born of sin and best forgotten. This father seems something time forgot.
@@anniethenonnymouse My bad, should have provided that to begin with: Exodus 22:16 I think there are more like that, but they are spread over several books and this was the first i could find. The religious scripture really is the most effective tool at turning people atheist or at least away from those death cults.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece It's a shame, really. The core message of the Jesus Messiah is one of fraternity, equality, and liberty. From what I've seen of his cults, they're proverbial lost sheep in that they believe in everything BUT that message.
He talks about his daughter as if she's property, and her virginity his to offer away. He also speaks as though he can fully speak for his god, and that he plans to use his god as a vampire to steal this man's youth and transfer it to him. He's a danger to himself and others, and should be confined.
He thinks women are only one time pleasures, only when they loose their virginity are they apparently useful. Truly a disgusting and dehumanizing worldview to have. Especially towards his own kids.
He also displayed the clunkiest moral update I've ever seen in religion. His daughter's virginity is solely his to give away to a husband of her choosing. Those last three words? A whole lot younger than the rest. They don't mix with the rest of the sentence at all.
Let's do some math here: if his daughter graduated 10 years ago, she is now 28. There are usually 25 years between generations, which would make the father 53. So if the father were rejuvenated by 49 years, he would be turned 4 years old again, like Dragon Ball GT or something. Imagine a 77 year old man with a walker, and 4 year old pointing and shouting, "Thath what you get fow sthealing my daughta's vowginitay!
This is stupid and horrifying at the same time. It's disgusting how he values his daughter only by the thin skin flap in her genitalia. Also, super creepy, why would he think about his daughter's sex life that much?
Maybe because he got an incestual love to her. Some fathers have their wife dead or separated and do not get over it and so their daughters remind of their wife. Yeah, some parents get to far to even have sex with their children. I saw a story on reddit on women being cheated on of her boyfriend having sex with his mother. It really can get weird and creepy. Some get very jealous of their child when they are with their patner but in a very incestual way.
@@allisonbrown1575 exactly. You can lose it doing non-sex activities, you could be born without it, AND a large proportion of women who have sex with an intact hymen do not tear or lose it at all. The presence of a hymen is not a reliable indicator of virginity, nor is the lack of one an indicator of a lack of virginity (virginity in the “never had sex” sense)
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though. Thats... bad, too. Duh.
And a bit scary. I'd be just a bit frightened to know there's someone out there who wants to kill me but the only thing stopping him is a bible passage.
I think that the father has probably broken the law. The letter is a form of harassment, and if the father was stalking him, Facebook or otherwise, that could be a criminal charge that would stick. A restraining order is certainly in order.
The threats of killing the guy ought to be enough for a restraining order. That alone would creep me out enough to get one. The fact that Christianity is the only thing preventing the father from killing the guy is pretty scary, because what if he changes his mind and finds some justification in the bible for an "honor killing?" I mean, the fact that the father prayed for 49 years of the guy's youth means that he's seriously unhinged.
Sick bastard. Reminds me someone who lusts after his daughter, but I can't recall his name. If I was this guy's daughter I would stay away from my father forever.
For such a devout Christian, it sounds like he’s using witchcraft to put a curse on the guy- trying to magically steal his youth? Like woah. Nothing against witches, I just think it’s funny that someone who probably still wants to burn witches sounds an awful lot like a witch himself
@@rayclam8079 Maybe. But that's not my experience. I don't know what religion would look like if it was "done right". I only know that religion has been responsible for most of the atrocities in history. Think about the spanish inquisition, the crusades, "honor killings", the holocaust, the reformation, the residential schools for indigenous children, female genital mutilation, the Salem witch trials, misogyny.....I could go on ad nauseum. I see the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic church, and wonder why they are not held to account the way the government and, by extension, we are. Religion is about power and control, who gets the advantages, and who has to be crushed. By the way, religion doesn't mean Christianity...there are lots of other religions in the world, but I don't suspect that you are talking about Islam or the Jewish faith. They can be as ruthless and cruel as the Christians, given half a chance. Take a gander through a book by Hitchens ("god is not great", a good way to start), or one by Dawkins ("God Delusion"). If you read it with an open mind, you might question the belief that religion is a great social and moral adhesive.
The crusade was a good thing as it defended the west against Islam, the holocaust was politically motivated, not religiously motivated and highly debatable. Secular Orthodox Christianity and the teaching of Jesus Christ provide the best moral policing.
@@rayclam8079 750 dead indigenous children were killed or died in a CATHOLIC residential school in Canada. They were all buried at the site with no grave markers or contact with the families. That sounds like a pretty good repudiation of religion to me.
Hmm. Holy books are written by ordinary fallible people, who have good points and bad points. Holy books have good points and bad points. A good person can come to a given holy book, and craft a "good" religion. A bad person can come to the same book and craft a bad religion. I guess the problem is with ordinary people who fall under the sway of a bad version of a religion, when they weren't initially bad themselves. I suspect that in such cases they have a chance of waking up and abandoning the religion altogether, or moving to a better version of it. I once subscribed to a version that was good in some parts, and wicked in others. When I woke, I had to move out of religion altogether.
@Ron Maimon How do you know this "clergy"has a clue? If you can't trust yourself with reading the Bible on your own,,why would you take their word as gold? That attitude about,"only these special,chosen elite"knows the truth and has our interest and well-being in mind-led to dictatorship,both religiously and otherwise,authoritarian cults(with their "special revelations."),and led civilization backward through the Dark Ages,Inquisition,Crusades,which burnings,and the Spanish Conquistadors with their conquering of the Americas(with their Franciscan Monks in tow)diminishing and enslaving huge portions of the Native populations as they wen(forcing them to accept their religions)-the slave trade run by Jews,Islam,and "Christians",etc,etc.Sheep need a shepherd.Some need an imaginary/invisible one.For some,apparently,they need the artifice of religion represented by some image or facade(like the Wizard of Oz).But whether they know it or not,there's always a"man behind the curtain(usually wanting power/authority/money,or even to make themselves feel important.).And all the sheep have to say about it is,"baaa,baaa!"
@Ron Maimon To bad the God of the impossible didn't find it worth his while to make the Bible easy to understand for anybody that decides to turn it's pages-clear,unambiguous,precise,specific,and consistent,with a harmonious continuity so clear and mind-blowing that everybody would be able to connect the dots and understand it's words without a shadow of a doubt-and their would be no need for all the middle- men or women,mediators,priests,pastors,teachers,scholars,theologians,or apologists/explainers.The supernatural and all-powerful God could create a supernatural book that far surpasses anything humans could write.He could have made it so that whoever opened the Bible would instantly understand it (almost magically),no matter what mental state,I.Q.,level of understanding,language,experience,or background they are.No need for hierarchy,religious pyramid schemes,or trickle-down "spiritual"information.To have people gain a growing dependance on flesh and blood human beings for the spiritual information they need to have a "close" relationship with Jesus,instead of just instantly enlightening everyone with a perfect clarity and understanding of what it takes to be close to God....go figure. Maybe you are happy just being religious-without having a close and intimate relationship with Jesus.But the Bible says the later.You cant have a close and loving relationship with anyone through a book.And you can't have it through any selective mediator(s)or middleman.
I dated a girl when I was 18 whose father made similar threats (not that extreme, but similar) regarding his daughter. Over time, some of the threats and other things both he and she revealed made me feel uncomfortable on a level I didn't understand at the time. Despite my lacking experience in such matters, I started to feel he was talking about far more than his concern over his daughter. That is, I got a distinct impression that he was sexually abusing her. I never asked her about it even though I wanted to. Many many years later, after she lived an extremely difficult life (more abuse, drugs, and jail), she told me about her father molesting her sexually. I don't know the details; I didn't ask nor did she say. However, her telling me that information felt like a missing puzzle piece finally being put into place. This letter you've shared from this dad is giving me those same warning signals.
Gee, does that mean he "Would" have attempted the murder if the young man had NOT been Christian? This should have gone straight to the Police the moment they read it and murder was mentioned.
@@ramblingrob14 id guess awkward kind of laughter. Like hearing a fucked up thing that was supposed to be a joke but ended up just telling everyone outright that you need to be on a watchlist.
@@Greedfa This guy is waaaaaay too entitled. Wouldn't be surprised if her mother left him a long time ago and if that girl is smart, she's cut off any communication with her father.
@Davvy Jannes - Agreed. Excellent post. A particularly ugly thought also occurred to me as I listened to the words of the father practically frothing at the mouth over his daughter's sexuality. The father sounds highly likely to be a sexual predator who preys upon children. It sounds like his obsession with his daughter's sexuality is a grotesque attempt to cover his own unnatural attraction to his daughter.
@Davvy Jannes Fascinating points! This part: "the religious right-wing are by far the highest consumers of porn and marital aids" - sent me searching the internet, where I ran across this comment: "In addition to the “Homegrown Video” study, numbers released last spring by Pornhub, one of the world’s biggest porn sites, indicated that people in the “Bible Belt” watch more gay pornography than anywhere else in the United States." From: www.theyucatantimes.com/2019/10/usa-porn-appetite-concentrates-again-on-the-bible-belt-states/ That sent my eyebrows shooting towards the ceiling... The data you've mentioned about the peak and then falling use of cannabis is also very interesting.
...Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though. Thats... bad, too. Duh.
even when i was a believer - i always found the daddy/daughter dates, butterfly kisses song, "I'm going to beat up your boyfriends" things soooooooper creepy. and notice its only dads and daughters. not mothers and sons, not mothers and daughters, not dads and sons - i think that ups the creepy factor about 10x. I love he's quoting old testament stuff - how about Deuteronomy 22:21 that says a woman who is not a virgin, should be brought to her fathers doorstep and stoned to death to "keep out evil".
It's an amazingly efficient way to destroy whatever fragile "familial love" existed in the first place, to threaten someone the daughter cares deeply for, while pretending it's for her "own good."
i did it by accident you see. i’m so clumsy and wasn’t thinking straight when she didn’t have anything on. i’m not really sure what happened even though i was there
Let me remind you, the person who wrote a letter declaring his spiritual practice of *literally draining the youth from a person* is also the sort of person who thinks witchcraft is evil and wrong no matter how good the intentions of the practitioner might be.
@@loturzelrestaurant IIRC, (I learned this years ago from a friend who is Wiccan) placing negative spells on others is highly discouraged because one of the prime rules of witchcraft is that whatever energies you send out will return to you threefold. It would be the ultimate irony for the father to suddenly age dramatically while the young man and woman once again become teens.
When I was barely out of high school in Utah, I started dating a Mormon girl. She would sneak out at night and we would go mess around...and yes, she was a virgin before hand. I think. She eventually told her Mormon Bishop because I guess she was feeling guilt. The reason I say “I guess she was feeling guilt” because I never got to speak to her after that and here’s why... ...after the Bishop found out, he called her father. Her father called my father to chew my dad out because I had deflowered a daughter. My dad laughed at him causing her father to hang up. He forbid her to see or even talk to me. And that was the last I heard from. He then packed up most of his 10 kids, especially her, and moved to Missouri. Missouri because he was convinced the Second Coming of Jesus was imminent. (In Mormon theology, the Jesus’ return will happen in Missouri because that’s where Joe Smith said the Garden of Eden was located). So I have no idea what the fuck happened other than I no long had a girlfriend who I was enjoying...not just sexually. Edit; I’m sorry this guy has gone through this. My thing happened in the early 1990’s and I haven’t heard a peep out of that family. And I am now 20 years married to the love of my life and all I can do is laugh at the situation and outcome. I hope she’s happy where ever she is and does not regret our time together.
The father sounds as though he might be mentally ill, especially his expectation of sudden accelerated aging by 49 years for the ex-boyfriend as 'divine punishment'. I hope the recipient of the letter gets a restraining order right away (if he hasn't already) because the father might get violent when he realizes his prayers are having no effect.
@@benedwards9306 believing in God and believing that God will take revenge on the ex boyfriend and make him age 49 years is still a difference I think... I know many people who do belive in God as the creator and all, but I don't think anyone would belive that they (with the help of God) can do such things
I wanna receive a letter like this just so I can send a just as elaborate letter back with a ton of scientific equations that make no sense just to confuse the guy as much as I'd be confused receiving such a letter XD
I am a Christian and this is the first time I seen one of your videos. All I have to say is that Dad is freaking crazy and I agree with everything you said about the crazy dad.
The concept of the boy "stealing" the virginity can only mean rape. But his daughter consented, so there is no stealing done by anyone. He is falsely accusing the boy of rape.
@@loturzelrestaurant I get the first part, cause a minor's consent is different from an adult's consent, but the second part doesn't seem to make sense.
@@ribozyme2899 What is amusing is the widespread misunderstanding of what Consent is and how it works. I see literally all the time the objectively nonsensical idea that Consent is a magical Plot Decive. A Magic System that makes everything and anything fine and dandy and ok. This... is objectively wrong. Consent is, in fact, not what countless people nowadays treat it as: As literal Magic.
@@ribozyme2899 I am assuming Loturzel means consent under false pretenses, correct me if I am wrong. If you remember the movie Kids for instance. With a lot of lying smooth talk/ alcohol, and maybe in this situation promises of marriage etc, which could have been a lie or meant at the time. However that still doesn't change that the dad is bonkers here.
@@Hyde_Hill If Wikipedia is correct, the characters in that movie were aged 13-16. And yeah, neither consent by a minor nor consent under drugs is usually counted as informed consent. On the other hand, since the girlfriend in this video is 18 with no drug use mentioned, all that is N/A and the dad is, as you said, bonkers.
@@procrastinator99 Of course, sir. But I think the saying is more metaphorical as opposed to literal. It means that evil people - no matter how good they think of themselves - can use the Bible to support any awful behavior they chose.
@@cjmarshall0221 That is very true. But ultimately, The Bible being able to support any moral or awful behavior makes it morally useless. I mean, this father quoting scripture to support the idea that his daughter is his property isn't taking said scripture out of context. The Bible treats women as property.
As a psychiatric technician, I believe that daughter ought to take her father to the doctor. The fact that he let the matter drop for ten years and then it flared up again suggests an organic disease process such as bipolar disorder or early onset dementia such as lewy body dementia or some types of Alzheimer's disease.
This is so messed up. I am so glad we are raising our daughter as a second generation atheist. And that is, as a woman, who was raised without religion. Reminds me to thank my parents. When I lost my virginity, my mom just asked if it was good 😂😅 We are teaching our daughter about boundaries and consent. The rest is up to her
@ Melanie, it depends on what the father considers to be the correct passage in some she'll get stoned, in other married off to the rapist/deflower in question, and in others she's forever shamed and is unable to be married off. Judging by the letter though I think the dad went with the forever shamed option some posters say she moved away and isn't talking to him so that helps too.
@Ron Maimon Never said stoning was for girls who slept with boys and 'stoning' was as barbaric then as much as it is now. All of the bible is barbaric superstition. Used by evil people to control the uneducated. No one wants a baby killing genocidal maniac upset with them. This 'loving' maniac will torture them for EVER!
This is legitimately incestuous. Meanwhile, my dad sat me down when I was 17 and told me I'd regret spending so much time inside playing video games and I should go to more parties and go on dates because I was "wasting the chance to make high school memories". When I told him I had a boyfriend he said "It's about fucking time huh kid?" and he ruffled my hair. He's always said "It's your life so you make the choices, I know I raised you well and I trust you." Ironically, MY dad gave me the tools to build a healthy relationship early on so my first boyfriend is still my boyfriend which would have been this freak's dream. (except we'd be married right now not common-law lmao)
In SOME religious sects they actually give their daughters these periodic check-ups where they're EXAMINED to see whether their cherries are still intact or have been ruptured. In the FORMER case the girl is commended, .. . in the latter she's shamed.
That father is seriously deranged. The former boyfriend needs to report that to the police. I think the daughter also needs to talk to the police for her safety. That's insane. He's beyond obsessed. His daughter and her love life are none of his business. Both she and the ex-boyfriend are long out of high school by now, so they are both legal adults. They were both in high school when it happened, but really, if they both consented, that's not forcing her or him, so again, none of the father's business. Why, ten years later, is he so obsessed with his daughter's virginity and love life? He's sick. Let his daughter and the ex-boyfriend alone, let them live their lives, and the father can pay attention to his wife, if she's not fed up with him too. I feel bad for all of them but the dad. What he's doing is not right; not under Jewish law and beliefs, not under Christian beliefs, and not under modern secular law in this country. He's essentially stalking and threatening the guy for something between two teens over ten years ago. Crazy.
I keep trying to remind evangelicals about that. It really pisses them off. All that love your neighbor crap and turn the other cheek nonsense. Old Testament is so much more fun.
Except when it does: "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5:18
@ How, I think it depends on your bible and your version of Christianity. To most yes it doesn't exist to some parts exist even though if they read the bible it tells you heres the switching point but that would require one to read and not be told by their speakers/pastors.
Y’all, I just rolled my eyes so hard that I think I sprained something. 🤣 I used to be a church youth leader, and I was also secretly sleeping with a fellow youth leader. No one ever found out. I inferred from that experience that the odds of other supposed good Christian young adults being hypocrites was pretty damn high. Honestly, I’m grateful to have learned before I got married that sex doesn’t just have to be something a wife gives to her husband and that I’m allowed to actually enjoy it too. That realization was the antithesis of what the church taught me sex was supposed to be. Glad to be an atheist now and free of all the guilt and shame that the church told me I should feel for “sinning.”
@@brishtisengupta7180 You don't get it: you get a muscly man version of yourself taking out ten bad guys at once. But for me, it takes everything I've ever done and throws it in my face.
@@briannewman9285 this isn’t a pissing context. We just mean it is disturbing all about “purity” culture no matter where it is coming from. Religion particularly fundamentalist religion is the cause.
Just FYI; there are some pretty heavy undertones of "spell-casting" within that whole letter. Fanciful beliefs often lead to other hidden fanciful beliefs. Have a weird BrotherIL who acts a lot like that. Esoteric Abrahamic "Warlock" would be a lot of the keywords to find that world. Related to the Jewish community that believes there is a hidden code within the various holy texts. Toss in a heavy dose of sexual scripture obsession and you have the animus required to write such a letter.
@@justicemartinez2625 Most of the people who support him are bigger idiots, and just as mentally damaged as this "father". Trump, red triangles. Look it up. Hitler at least kept a lot of his promises. Trump is just as insane, but not even 1% as competent as Hitler was. He can try to be the next Hitler all he wants but he will never accomplish anything in his life. Even his "great economy" was artificially propped up, and collapsed all the same when it was put to the test. Remember when he used that talking point? I do, because I don't have the memory of a goldfish like most of his supporters. Well, I say memory of a goldfish but the reality is that I could never knowingly convince myself to believe 2 completely contradictory claims. I have something called self-worth. Something that most of his supporters seem to be lacking.
First, this man needs professional psychiatric help.😵😳 Second, according to his own book "if you commit a sin in your heart, you will be judged for that sin" (or something like that). So the father contemplating the man's torturous murder,,,🤔 Just saying😏 I think the restraining order is probably a good idea
"You took _FROM ME_ my most precious treasure!" ...I'm sorry, wat?! 😑 It takes a special kind of crazy to think this way, and it's a prime demonstration that not everyone is a person.
This particular sect wants America to become a theocratic state. Pence is one. If I wasn't so convinced that what part of me thinks is absolutely nuts, I would probably be railing that Trump was elected by that Evangelical base on purpose. Mainly to create so much chaos that the average American will practically *beg* Pence to take over, and thus create an open path to their little "Handmaid's Tale" knockoff society.
It's a blessing that the father at least still thinks of his daughter as his girl-child and apparently still finds his wife sexually attractive. I can understand ensuring sexual health and education, advocating use of birth control, or even urging the pair to hold off a while (and communicate clearly) just to make sure any teenaged drama doesn't get in the way too soon the morning after, but as a mother I find this letter far too close to incestuous pedophilia for comfort.
I don’t know, usually when someone writes stuff like that I would be going out of my way to file a restraining order and the FBI to put him on the watch list.
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So many "Christians" (and Muslims) value a woman's intact hymen far more than they value the woman herself.
Also Jews are the same way
Many women break their hymens riding a bicycle or doing the splits. Some sexually active women have perfectly intact hymens.
they are a sick bunch for sure
@@mrmadness2699 Don't forget that although the condition is rare a female can be born without a hymen.
@@mrmadness2699 many sports including gymnastics, cycling, horseback riding etc can do that. In many Muslim countries a woman can be killed if she didnt bleed enough on her wedding night. Some families pay doctors to sew up extra close to make sure she bleeds plenty. They hang the sheets on their outer wall of their house to prove she was a virgin. They marry a girl of as soon as she has a period, sometimes earlier. If you get her really young she must be a virgin. Many times a father will come home & say "you are married pack a bag I'm taking you there now". The marriage ceremony is between the husband to be & father or brother. She can't object.
The BF needs to write the father: "I talked to Jesus about this. He said I'm forgiven. Later."
That ain't how it works lol
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 i mean, it kinda is.
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 That is literally how it works!
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 thats exactly how it works if you believe in jesus as your saviour all of your sins are forgiven
@@nikolasmad9340 exactly even murder lol
A girl's "virginity" does not belong to her father. To think that it does is gross.
I wonder what the stats are regarding incest in Christian communities. My hypothesis is that it is common.
@@Redacted937 your hypothesis is correct not of just Christianity but of any conservative faith.
What do you mean common? It is highly frowned upon, if one were to engage it such act, according to the Old Testament your the punishment are always worth death.
@Giotto Aldini
That's not the case in some of the fringe evangelical sects with which the USA is burdened ...all of them Christian.
@@giottoaldini8636 and christians never do things they're specifically told not to
“Hey Janet remember when we hooked up in highschool? Your dad is trying to cast a wizard spell on me to sap me of my youth now…”
"I am very much aware of that fact, yes"
@@bestaround3323 "So, uhhh... Do you have any plans on moving out, Janet?"
how u know her name
@@bMcgu894 we don't?
Wait, how does he know that his daughter didn't steal her BOYFRIEND's virginity? Also... why is he acting like his daughter was murdered or something...? She's fine. She's still there, alive, to spend time with... what did he lose?
He lost his power over her mind (forced naivete) and is pissed about it like the delusional psychopath he is.
He lost power over her and because she's developing her own personality and self esteem and she no longer has that grooming potential future Christian husband would took advantage of. Girl who likes to enjoy her body and life can you imagine that?
...I don’t think she’s fine...
His mind?
@@potatofuryy : Not with a wuckfit like that for a father.
That dad doesn't love his daughter, he owns her.
Well, I mean... he wants to.
In a lot of ways, under the law in many states, parents do legally own their minor children.
@@jwb52z9 you fucking know what they meant.
@@jwb52z9 : No one "owns" anyone.
Oh geez, you're one of those special ones, aren't you?
This guy is more obsessed with his daughter's hymen than Gollum was with the Precious.
Lol! I didn't see your response when I posted mine. Same idea!
This is one of the greatest comments ever written on all of TH-cam.
But she still has the box it came in!
*Republican,* *conservative* and *Christian* are all synonymous with *narcissism* and *egocentrism.*
@@taxidude 🤣🤣🤣
He should have written a letter back requiring proof she was a virgin to start with.
That would make his head explode
True
XD
Damn, very clever, I didn't think of that one!
I love it
Ha ha! Damn, I didn't think of that! Clever!
Meanwhile, the daughter:
"Does he seriously think this guy was my first?"
He might have been.
But...he wasn't her last.
Probably by a long shot.
She was like “now serving number 69”. Those repressed religious chicks were always the best 😉
I just picture this troubled man sitting in a recliner, teeth clenched, for ten whole years. Just. Consumed with thoughts of his daughter getting freaky.
That poor, poor girl.
I mean, given just how he talks about her virginity, I wonder what else he was clenching
I can't even imagine the kind of torment this poor girl had to endure in that house. Scary madness.
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though.
Thats... bad, too. Duh.
@@loturzelrestaurant Why is it bad? Are you…….. the father?
@@CorbCorbin ...Well... buddy... not wanting to say something obvious, but i said 'Dont get me wrong', thinking some people may get me wrong, cause its too high for them.
And apparently... this exact thing happened.
Your comment shows that your confused about me agreeing OR disagreeing with the Video. So thats that.
Treating your own daughter like property. How disturbing.
Goes to show how misogynistic christianity is!
He should blame himself for failing to educate her to preserve her "childhood innocence." Abstinence FAILED!
@@Ascend777 These overzealous christians need to wake up and realise that women are PEOPLE, not things to be possessed.
You Got That Right
It keeps the world in order and morals high. Look what happens when the daughter is no longer the property. You get feminism, c19, thots, and riots.
That guy needs to file a restraining order
Yea, I would be worried if someone that obsessed was stalking me. The part about his religion being the only thing preventing violent action is unnerving.
I doubt that a restraining order would work in this situation. If the father believes that he’s following God’s commands he won’t let a restraining order stop him.
themiddleones Uttering threats is a felony. Start with the restraining order. Include the written threats. If he remains an asshole, have him charged. The evidence is in writing. Should be an easy case.
Yes this is nothing but Cyber-bullying get a court order.
Yes this is nothing but Cyber-bullying get a court order.
I know this is not the most appropriate thing, but this reminds me of a meme I saw once.
The Dad: "YOU STOLE MY DAUGHTER'S VIRGINITY!!!"
The Guy: "Sorry..... Won't happen again. " 😏
Did he take it when she was not looking ? LOL
very funny
good one
This. This absolutely should be the response.
😂🤣😂🤣😂
I feel like he cries himself to sleep next to his wife and she asks him
“what’s wrong honey?”
“He…. He… deflowered her”
“It was… 10 years ago”
“It feels like it was yesterday”
She doesn't even live here any more
He wanted it for himself.
@@nixhixx lol
@@nixhixx the Bible does have stories about that exact thing... 😳
@@neilsiebenthal9254 Oh, I know. It's a truly SICK book.
A christian who doesn’t want to forgive? He should read his little book.
Meanwhile Jesus, alledgedly, forgave everyone during his crucifixion.
This is what happens when you simply can’t accept an outcome. The only way for for this guy to ever move forward is if the event were unmade. Therefore he has no viable way to move forward emotionally.
They all should. It's one reason I'm not just an atheist but also anti-religion: religion doesn't often make people better, but it sure does seem to empower and embolden people to do awful things.
If more people were improved by Christianity than not, I might not worry about spreading atheism so much. But Christianity constantly recreates toxic power structures and gives power to abusers.
@@georgeparkins777 Agree
I bet you a dollar, dad is Southern Baptist. How does he know his daughter wasn't the sexual aggressor.
Him: "I have seen Hell firsthand."
Me: "I bet you have. It's called living for five seconds inside your own little mind."
Active Advocate Dad’s lying, he has Not seen Hell because it doesn’t exist, but if it did he’s going for lying 🤥
😂
You mean, "i HaVe SeEn HeLl FiRsThAnD!"
I bet his daughter has, too. Living under this crazy guy's roof for 18 years had to have been hell.
Are you talking about the first ring of hell? That's technically limbo so it doesn't count. I've been to the Seventh Ring. You know, the Suicide Forest.
This happened to me. My dad found out I was sleeping with my boyfriend in college. He wrote an angry letter and sent it to my boyfriend's parents. Nevermind that I was the one who initiated the sexual contact in the first place. As a female, apparently I didn't have any agency of my own. Nor could I want sex for myself. My dad assumed that my boyfriend "took" my virginity, though really it was the other way around.
Oh boy. Did he get away with it? Can you imagine if it was the other way around? If a mother came to her son's ex girlfriend with a knife and schreached at the poor girl for "deflowering" her son over 10 years ago. That woman would probably be labelled as a crazy person and the son would apologize to his ex girlfriend for his mother a million times.
Did your father invent a life stealing magic spell like that?
Tha man's daughter's childhood must have been a nightmare.
It was probably very repressive, at least.
Couldn't have been too bad. She clearly found ways of doing what she wanted when dad wasn't looking.
@@mobilegameplaywalkthroughs990 oh no it’s worse when you have to be secretive if anything happens you are so alone and unable to get the help
My mom is a lot like that. I can confirm it’s not fun.
She ran away from home 10 years ago
Update on redit
"bride price" just sounds like a term used in human trafficking.
Essentially that is exactly what it is
That's because that's what it was back in ye olden days.
All through this, I was thinking, "Forget about the guy, what about the DAUGHTER!" She had to LIVE with the "Dad" through all this, until she was able to get away. What a nightmare! I hope she was able to find her way to a happy life.
She got away. I heard the guy posted on Reddit about it.
It sounds like she avoided much potential wrath... or, at least, that's what I hope.
I hope she has gotten away from that terrifying delusional dad and isn't dealing with any sort of purity-based trauma
"to get away"? Yes. Into the bedrooms of a dozen guys who use her and dump her.
@@bradleymosman8325 Are you suggesting that's the only alternative to having her dad own her vagina until he transfers ownership to the husband of his choice?
My thought was where is this girls mother?
This sounds a lot like sharia law that evangelicals like to decry all the time. Funny and scary.
You are quite correct. Christian extremists are indistinguishable from Islamic extremists.
@@annalieff-saxby568
they both follow pretty much the same book so no real surprise there.
@@uteriel282 I'd disagree with you there, having read both the Bible and the Koran. Certainly the central myths of the Old Testament - Adam & Eve, Noah etc etc, are the same, and Muslims accept the status of Jesus as "a prophet" but the texts are utterly different: the Koran actually owes a lot of its concepts to the Ionian Philosophers.
@@annalieff-saxby568 They are different texts, but both come from similar cultural and religious backgrounds, and the Koran is certainly heavily influenced by Old Testament Mosaic and Abrahamic religious law, which is not surprising seeing as both characters are recognized as prophets in Islam.
@@calebfuller4713 Agreed.
Since he's this angry and crazy after 10 years, police report and restraining order please. The father is a loon. I feel so sorry for the daughter, imagine what she had to put up with.
This is so, so gross. Thank you for speaking out about this, Hemant.
Dad's upset he didn't get his goats, cows and chickens as a "bride price".
As a dad of two grown daughters ( not knowing if when and how they lost their virginity) I deem this father a craving lunatic..
Your post matches my sentiment. I would never ask my daughter about her personal and intimate choices.
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though.
Thats... bad, too. Duh.
@@loturzelrestaurant What's wrong with normalizing sex? I mean, sex _is_ pretty normal, and many people have it at times.
Also, economically speaking, sex prices haven't dramatically decreased compared to a century ago.
Or even a raving one.
@@ribozyme2899 sex prices have increased quite a lot in most of the civilized world, actually.
If we're talking sex work.
The value of people's time increased overall, and the value of women's time and autonomy especially.
It's disgusting that he puts a price on his daughter. He is technically pimping out his daughter, even if it's in hindsight 🤔😔
and he demands a retribution for him, not for his daughter... Selfish, greedy and wrathful. That's a lot for a """good""" christian.
Tell me about it ewww it’s creepy as hell that father has a problem
I'll bet that father will probably also PICK the husband for that girl, .. . or at least thinks he should be able to.
have you read the Bible? Marriage is basically a legal agreement between a father and another man, concerning the ownership of the daughter. In this case the father has suffered a material loss under Biblical rules
women are just live stock to these people
I think it says a lot that his daughter’s feelings and actions are not mentioned in this letter at all; it’s all about the father. Assuming the relationship was consensual then it’s between her and the boyfriend, no one else. Oh and I’m pretty sure that she’d be guilty of fornication by his definition and also be going to hell, yet he doesn’t seem concerned about at all. Really speaks to the character of the father...
Let he who is without foreskin cast the first bone
@Davvy Jannes That's crazy. Everyone knows that on the Ascension of Our Lord, His Holy Foreskin rose with Him and became the rings of Saturn. It shrank back down again in 1368 to do service as the wedding ring of Saint Catherine of Siena, when she became a Bride of Christ.
@Davvy Jannes Um Jesus was reported to be a Jew so had no foreskin except at birth. Are you suggesting the mother of Jesus kept her son's foreskin at his circumcision as a souvenir under glass and thus preserved it for the churches to follow?
JudeoChrislamuc religion isn't generally well known for giving a flying fuck about the feelings of girls and women.
This kind of father would never willingly believe that his daughter had done anything wrong unless and until he saw it with his own eyes.
Doesn't the dad know it takes two to tango? Unless the boyfriend forced himself on the daughter, then his daughter was a willing participant.
Given he chose biblical passages that imply forcing yourself on another is a minor whoopsie/prank merely requiring financial restitution, I’m doubtful he views his daughter’s consent as even remotely relevant.
This brand of evangelical doesn't believe girls and women have the moral agency to consent. To this brand of evangelical, the bodies of girls and women are private property passed from father to husband, and public property to be judged and condemned if she rebels and exerts bodily autonomy.
Rest assured the poor girl had to play the virgin seduced by the evil snake into sinning, im so sorry ill never do it again, that kind of thing. If this is how he reacts think of what he would do if his daughter told him she didnt regret it.
I guarantee you her life is or was hellish with her family after that, one hundred percent.
@@lucindabreeding absolutely. 100% agree. My dad probably feels like my husband stole me from him before my dad could give me away. I don't know how they about their sons but thats another days discussion
I was raised fundamentalist evangelical, and my parents gave me a purity ring (on a chain so I could wear it around my neck), and even sent on a 'date' with my Mum in my early teens. It really is psychologically damaging, even without hellish death threat letters from Fathers like this one.
Imagine when he realizes virginity is just an experience and not a breaking of a freshness seal. Science, baby.
A freshness seal 🤣
You seriously think he'll ever be able to realize that? Such a thing requires reason!
@@mihaitha no, I don't "seriously think" he'll realize that in his lifetime, but it's amusing to think about his little world getting crushed by the lies he has believed and pushed all his life.
You mean a lack of experience
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though.
Remember, rape in the Old Testament is treated as a property crime, not a crime against a living feeling human being.
It actually wasn't a crime. But if they got her pregnant and didn't marry her, _that_ was a crime. Good ol christian morals 👍
Funny how they can just create a New testament to fit societys standards
@@hungry_khid1007 As a Christian Gnostic who understands history, this is why I'm not a fundamentalist. Too many corrupt people's agendas interfering with the message to the point it might as well be lost on modern Christians today
@@PraiseTheFSMonster Ummm, yes it was a crime and punishable by death. You should read Deuteronomy 22:23-27.
Is even sadder when you think, in one of the few fully recovered pirate codes, rape is condemned with death and defined " to meddle with any honourable woman without her consent"...like even some pirates considered more the aspect of harming a human being over " property" than the bible.
Back in the 50's and 60's if a girl got pregnant, usually the guy would do the right thing and marry her; however, if not, some parents sent their daughter to a place called "Home For Unwed Mothers" where the girl would have to agree to give up the baby for adoption in order to enter. To me, it was all about "appearances." People cared more about how they looked to others and their so-called reputation than their daughter's feelings and rights.
I said it before and I say it again: Family values and moral values are two different things.
Funny how the "honor" they liked to tout, was really the father's honor. I guess the daughter being some inferior being, her opinions and honor weren't of import.
It’s clear in the letter that the father considers his daughter as his property.
@@stevewebber707 " If a priest's daughter defiles herself by promiscuity,*she defiles her father*-she must be burned to death.(Lev.21:9)
I remember girls being "transferred to special schools" while boys were ignored. Girls were shamed and condemned, boys were encouraged and even praised. The babies were dismissed, thrown away, marked illegitimate bastards born of sin and best forgotten.
This father seems something time forgot.
I'm thinking the "virginity" wasn't so much stolen as it was egearly given.
For sure. Just one of the 100 ways that the daughter rebelled against her nutbar dad.
Well, by bible law it's the property of the father and there are values attached to it.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Chapter:verse? Never heard of that one...
@@anniethenonnymouse My bad, should have provided that to begin with:
Exodus 22:16
I think there are more like that, but they are spread over several books and this was the first i could find. The religious scripture really is the most effective tool at turning people atheist or at least away from those death cults.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece It's a shame, really. The core message of the Jesus Messiah is one of fraternity, equality, and liberty. From what I've seen of his cults, they're proverbial lost sheep in that they believe in everything BUT that message.
Someone needs to explain to this "Dad" that you can't steal something that's given up willingly.
Unless it's rape.
@@kyjennifer Rape is, by definition, unwilling.
Maybe you should read/listen to the story before making stupid comments.
@@kyjennifer No where did the daughter say she was raped. Stop overreacting.
Makes me wonder how he punished his daughter.
@@kyjenniferreading comprehension really is in the gutters these days
He talks about his daughter as if she's property, and her virginity his to offer away. He also speaks as though he can fully speak for his god, and that he plans to use his god as a vampire to steal this man's youth and transfer it to him. He's a danger to himself and others, and should be confined.
He thinks women are only one time pleasures, only when they loose their virginity are they apparently useful. Truly a disgusting and dehumanizing worldview to have. Especially towards his own kids.
He also displayed the clunkiest moral update I've ever seen in religion. His daughter's virginity is solely his to give away to a husband of her choosing. Those last three words? A whole lot younger than the rest. They don't mix with the rest of the sentence at all.
Boy should send dad a sparkly marble with "virginity" written on it with a note that says "Fine, have it back"
Written with period blood. That'd be an insane reply
I would go to a butcher and ask him to slice me a very thin slice of steak and send that back. Hopefully very bloody.
@@sleazybtd Oh dear god 🤮 ... but lol
@@sleazybtd LOL why put a target on your ass? That dad sounds like the type to go pew-pew when enraged.
Or tell him she wasn't that good any way.
That letter is some Stephen King next-level sh*t.
SERIOUSLY !!
Let's do some math here: if his daughter graduated 10 years ago, she is now 28. There are usually 25 years between generations, which would make the father 53. So if the father were rejuvenated by 49 years, he would be turned 4 years old again, like Dragon Ball GT or something.
Imagine a 77 year old man with a walker, and 4 year old pointing and shouting, "Thath what you get fow sthealing my daughta's vowginitay!
😂😂😂
I think your calculations are wrong. Surely the dad deserves 49 years for each time his daughter has slept with someone outside marriage!
@@richardguyver6676 yeah but her "virginity" could be stolen only once
This is stupid and horrifying at the same time. It's disgusting how he values his daughter only by the thin skin flap in her genitalia. Also, super creepy, why would he think about his daughter's sex life that much?
Maybe because he got an incestual love to her. Some fathers have their wife dead or separated and do not get over it and so their daughters remind of their wife. Yeah, some parents get to far to even have sex with their children. I saw a story on reddit on women being cheated on of her boyfriend having sex with his mother. It really can get weird and creepy. Some get very jealous of their child when they are with their patner but in a very incestual way.
That's not how a hyman works anyway..... virginity isn't a real thing, just a social construct.
@@allisonbrown1575 exactly. You can lose it doing non-sex activities, you could be born without it, AND a large proportion of women who have sex with an intact hymen do not tear or lose it at all.
The presence of a hymen is not a reliable indicator of virginity, nor is the lack of one an indicator of a lack of virginity (virginity in the “never had sex” sense)
@James Patrick I can't imagine the mindset one would need to do that to a person, let alone your own child. Such an act is unforgivable.
I'm sure her father is very acquainted with her vagina. This level of obsession over "loss" of something that was never his, can't be for nothing.
Can’t stop thinking about how this is extremely mortifying for the daughter
Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video,
i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though. Thats... bad, too. Duh.
Both creepy and hilarious at the same time
And a bit scary. I'd be just a bit frightened to know there's someone out there who wants to kill me but the only thing stopping him is a bible passage.
@@dx1450 Until he starts threatening the boyfriend with witch-doctor life force theft. 🧙🏻♀️
Bro I cried at the I've been to hell part lmao
I think that the father has probably broken the law. The letter is a form of harassment, and if the father was stalking him, Facebook or otherwise, that could be a criminal charge that would stick. A restraining order is certainly in order.
Sincerely held belief and all that....
The threats of killing the guy ought to be enough for a restraining order. That alone would creep me out enough to get one. The fact that Christianity is the only thing preventing the father from killing the guy is pretty scary, because what if he changes his mind and finds some justification in the bible for an "honor killing?" I mean, the fact that the father prayed for 49 years of the guy's youth means that he's seriously unhinged.
In some places in the US, the father could claim the daughter was taken advantage of no matter what she told anyone.
i don't think you understand how the law works.
Restraining order post haste! This guy is a danger to himself and others.
Sick bastard. Reminds me someone who lusts after his daughter, but I can't recall his name. If I was this guy's daughter I would stay away from my father forever.
J Hill 🤔 One Donald J. Trump springs to mind
Leather Wing agreed!
and call the loony bin to, this guy isinsane
Also CPS needs to get on this case!!!
For such a devout Christian, it sounds like he’s using witchcraft to put a curse on the guy- trying to magically steal his youth? Like woah. Nothing against witches, I just think it’s funny that someone who probably still wants to burn witches sounds an awful lot like a witch himself
All fun and games until someone loses a hymen.
Hell even the witches he condemns have rules against hurting someone like that. If no harm comes onto others, do as you will.
@@Whatareyoueven42 not all women are even born with one >.
@@wayfa13 Yes, I know. Thank you.
@@wayfa13 I think that's why the person you replied to said "someone's hymen" not a female/girl/any other word to describe "girl".
"Religion poisons everything" Christopher Hitchens RIP.
There isn't another like him. Richard Dawkins does his best, but he just isn't Hitchens.
Religion is a great social and moral adhesive and guide when done right.
@@rayclam8079 Maybe. But that's not my experience. I don't know what religion would look like if it was "done right". I only know that religion has been responsible for most of the atrocities in history. Think about the spanish inquisition, the crusades, "honor killings", the holocaust, the reformation, the residential schools for indigenous children, female genital mutilation, the Salem witch trials, misogyny.....I could go on ad nauseum. I see the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic church, and wonder why they are not held to account the way the government and, by extension, we are. Religion is about power and control, who gets the advantages, and who has to be crushed. By the way, religion doesn't mean Christianity...there are lots of other religions in the world, but I don't suspect that you are talking about Islam or the Jewish faith. They can be as ruthless and cruel as the Christians, given half a chance. Take a gander through a book by Hitchens ("god is not great", a good way to start), or one by Dawkins ("God Delusion"). If you read it with an open mind, you might question the belief that religion is a great social and moral adhesive.
The crusade was a good thing as it defended the west against Islam, the holocaust was politically motivated, not religiously motivated and highly debatable. Secular Orthodox Christianity and the teaching of Jesus Christ provide the best moral policing.
@@rayclam8079 750 dead indigenous children were killed or died in a CATHOLIC residential school in Canada. They were all buried at the site with no grave markers or contact with the families. That sounds like a pretty good repudiation of religion to me.
Just the fact that this"father"can pull so much vile and repulsive motivation out his "holy book" speaks volumes against said holy book.Volumes.
Well, it was written by brutish, primitive, backwards men with the same general mentality.
Hmm. Holy books are written by ordinary fallible people, who have good points and bad points. Holy books have good points and bad points. A good person can come to a given holy book, and craft a "good" religion. A bad person can come to the same book and craft a bad religion. I guess the problem is with ordinary people who fall under the sway of a bad version of a religion, when they weren't initially bad themselves.
I suspect that in such cases they have a chance of waking up and abandoning the religion altogether, or moving to a better version of it.
I once subscribed to a version that was good in some parts, and wicked in others. When I woke, I had to move out of religion altogether.
@Ron Maimon How do you know this "clergy"has a clue? If you can't trust yourself with reading the Bible on your own,,why would you take their word as gold? That attitude about,"only these special,chosen elite"knows the truth and has our interest and well-being in mind-led to dictatorship,both religiously and otherwise,authoritarian cults(with their "special revelations."),and led civilization backward through the Dark Ages,Inquisition,Crusades,which burnings,and the Spanish Conquistadors with their conquering of the Americas(with their Franciscan Monks in tow)diminishing and enslaving huge portions of the Native populations as they wen(forcing them to accept their religions)-the slave trade run by Jews,Islam,and "Christians",etc,etc.Sheep need a shepherd.Some need an imaginary/invisible one.For some,apparently,they need the artifice of religion represented by some image or facade(like the Wizard of Oz).But whether they know it or not,there's always a"man behind the curtain(usually wanting power/authority/money,or even to make themselves feel important.).And all the sheep have to say about it is,"baaa,baaa!"
@Ron Maimon To bad the God of the impossible didn't find it worth his while to make the Bible easy to understand for anybody that decides to turn it's pages-clear,unambiguous,precise,specific,and consistent,with a harmonious continuity so clear and mind-blowing that everybody would be able to connect the dots and understand it's words without a shadow of a doubt-and their would be no need for all the middle- men or women,mediators,priests,pastors,teachers,scholars,theologians,or apologists/explainers.The supernatural and all-powerful God could create a supernatural book that far surpasses anything humans could write.He could have made it so that whoever opened the Bible would instantly understand it (almost magically),no matter what mental state,I.Q.,level of understanding,language,experience,or background they are.No need for hierarchy,religious pyramid schemes,or trickle-down "spiritual"information.To have people gain a growing dependance on flesh and blood human beings for the spiritual information they need to have a "close" relationship with Jesus,instead of just instantly enlightening everyone with a perfect clarity and understanding of what it takes to be close to God....go figure. Maybe you are happy just being religious-without having a close and intimate relationship with Jesus.But the Bible says the later.You cant have a close and loving relationship with anyone through a book.And you can't have it through any selective mediator(s)or middleman.
@Ron Maimon Okay,then.
The only appropriate response would be to write back: "New address. Who dis?"
I dated a girl when I was 18 whose father made similar threats (not that extreme, but similar) regarding his daughter. Over time, some of the threats and other things both he and she revealed made me feel uncomfortable on a level I didn't understand at the time. Despite my lacking experience in such matters, I started to feel he was talking about far more than his concern over his daughter. That is, I got a distinct impression that he was sexually abusing her. I never asked her about it even though I wanted to. Many many years later, after she lived an extremely difficult life (more abuse, drugs, and jail), she told me about her father molesting her sexually. I don't know the details; I didn't ask nor did she say. However, her telling me that information felt like a missing puzzle piece finally being put into place.
This letter you've shared from this dad is giving me those same warning signals.
I would seriously consider taking the letter to the cops and asking for a restraining order. "Insane letter" is an understatement.
Gee, does that mean he "Would" have attempted the murder if the young man had NOT been Christian? This should have gone straight to the Police the moment they read it and murder was mentioned.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that 'father' is a sick man. the exboyfriend needs to file a restraining order against him asap.
This isn’t funny brother
@@ramblingrob14 id guess awkward kind of laughter. Like hearing a fucked up thing that was supposed to be a joke but ended up just telling everyone outright that you need to be on a watchlist.
Also his daughter needs to file one as well.
Ghutts McKenzie oh ya I feel ya
How old was this daughter? And the fact that it’s ten years later why is this dad’s business. She can have sex with who ever she wants!
Seriously, did the dad rage at the daughter for giving away "his" greatest gift?
the guy has waaaaaay to much free time
@@Greedfa This guy is waaaaaay too entitled. Wouldn't be surprised if her mother left him a long time ago and if that girl is smart, she's cut off any communication with her father.
@Davvy Jannes - Agreed. Excellent post.
A particularly ugly thought also occurred to me as I listened to the words of the father practically frothing at the mouth over his daughter's sexuality. The father sounds highly likely to be a sexual predator who preys upon children. It sounds like his obsession with his daughter's sexuality is a grotesque attempt to cover his own unnatural attraction to his daughter.
@Davvy Jannes Fascinating points! This part: "the religious right-wing are by far the highest consumers of porn and marital aids" - sent me searching the internet, where I ran across this comment: "In addition to the “Homegrown Video” study, numbers released last spring by Pornhub, one of the world’s biggest porn sites, indicated that people in the “Bible Belt” watch more gay pornography than anywhere else in the United States." From: www.theyucatantimes.com/2019/10/usa-porn-appetite-concentrates-again-on-the-bible-belt-states/
That sent my eyebrows shooting towards the ceiling...
The data you've mentioned about the peak and then falling use of cannabis is also very interesting.
Maybe he should give the father 49 years worth of Boys’ Life magazine issues
Penthouse mag might be an idea. Though I suspect that given the hypocrisy of religions he probably got a well leafed stack under his bed.
This father seems to talk about his daughter as if she was his property. Religion is so messed up!
No, not religion, this guy's mind.
@@PanglossDr read the bible, it is what formed his mindset. Or the Quran, women are just property of the men in both books
That man isn’t well. He’s having a psychotic break.
...Yeah, dont get me wrong, i totally agree with this video, i do kinda want to warn people about normalizing and de-valuelizing Sex to the point of it being f-ing Cheap as Shit though.
Thats... bad, too. Duh.
I would be shocked if that man wasn't doing something disturbing to his daughter. Poor woman.
even when i was a believer - i always found the daddy/daughter dates, butterfly kisses song, "I'm going to beat up your boyfriends" things soooooooper creepy. and notice its only dads and daughters. not mothers and sons, not mothers and daughters, not dads and sons - i think that ups the creepy factor about 10x. I love he's quoting old testament stuff - how about Deuteronomy 22:21 that says a woman who is not a virgin, should be brought to her fathers doorstep and stoned to death to "keep out evil".
It's an amazingly efficient way to destroy whatever fragile "familial love" existed in the first place, to threaten someone the daughter cares deeply for, while pretending it's for her "own good."
Do you think God stays in Heaven, because he's afraid of what he has created?
-Steve Buchemi
"It's creepy. And it's all because of Christianity."
Now there's a phrase that's frequently applicable.
“You stole my daughter’s virginity!”
“Sorry, sir. I won’t do it again.”
i did it by accident you see. i’m so clumsy and wasn’t thinking straight when she didn’t have anything on. i’m not really sure what happened even though i was there
Let me remind you, the person who wrote a letter declaring his spiritual practice of *literally draining the youth from a person* is also the sort of person who thinks witchcraft is evil and wrong no matter how good the intentions of the practitioner might be.
Reminds me a lot of Witch-craft...
Weird, huh?
@@loturzelrestaurant IIRC, (I learned this years ago from a friend who is Wiccan) placing negative spells on others is highly discouraged because one of the prime rules of witchcraft is that whatever energies you send out will return to you threefold. It would be the ultimate irony for the father to suddenly age dramatically while the young man and woman once again become teens.
@@phatchick96 Judging from your comment, i think you'd like "Some More News".
When I was barely out of high school in Utah, I started dating a Mormon girl. She would sneak out at night and we would go mess around...and yes, she was a virgin before hand. I think. She eventually told her Mormon Bishop because I guess she was feeling guilt. The reason I say “I guess she was feeling guilt” because I never got to speak to her after that and here’s why...
...after the Bishop found out, he called her father. Her father called my father to chew my dad out because I had deflowered a daughter. My dad laughed at him causing her father to hang up. He forbid her to see or even talk to me. And that was the last I heard from.
He then packed up most of his 10 kids, especially her, and moved to Missouri. Missouri because he was convinced the Second Coming of Jesus was imminent. (In Mormon theology, the Jesus’ return will happen in Missouri because that’s where Joe Smith said the Garden of Eden was located). So I have no idea what the fuck happened other than I no long had a girlfriend who I was enjoying...not just sexually.
Edit; I’m sorry this guy has gone through this. My thing happened in the early 1990’s and I haven’t heard a peep out of that family. And I am now 20 years married to the love of my life and all I can do is laugh at the situation and outcome. I hope she’s happy where ever she is and does not regret our time together.
The father sounds as though he might be mentally ill, especially his expectation of sudden accelerated aging by 49 years for the ex-boyfriend as 'divine punishment'. I hope the recipient of the letter gets a restraining order right away (if he hasn't already) because the father might get violent when he realizes his prayers are having no effect.
I know its not fair to diagnose people but the level of delusion makes me think of schizophrenia. I hope the ex girlfriend is all right.
Not mentally ill at all. The father believes in a god. That is the problem.
@@benedwards9306 Religion is a mental illness.
@@benedwards9306 Believing in a god IS mental illness. But that an be cured.
@@benedwards9306 believing in God and believing that God will take revenge on the ex boyfriend and make him age 49 years is still a difference I think... I know many people who do belive in God as the creator and all, but I don't think anyone would belive that they (with the help of God) can do such things
I wanna receive a letter like this just so I can send a just as elaborate letter back with a ton of scientific equations that make no sense just to confuse the guy as much as I'd be confused receiving such a letter XD
I am a Christian and this is the first time I seen one of your videos. All I have to say is that Dad is freaking crazy and I agree with everything you said about the crazy dad.
Uh, he should be in a padded room. Seriously, he sounds extremely dangerous.
fr. his anger would be understandable if his daughter was sexually assaulted, but this is just wacky.
@@zparkplug2788 wacky doesn't even describe this nutcase, he's outright insane! I'm not even sure he should be in society.
The concept of the boy "stealing" the virginity can only mean rape. But his daughter consented, so there is no stealing done by anyone. He is falsely accusing the boy of rape.
Well, yes and no.
Not all consent is equal.
Not all consent is 'earned', if you get what i mean.
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@@loturzelrestaurant I get the first part, cause a minor's consent is different from an adult's consent, but the second part doesn't seem to make sense.
@@ribozyme2899 What is amusing is the widespread misunderstanding of what Consent is and how it works.
I see literally all the time the objectively nonsensical idea that Consent is a magical Plot Decive.
A Magic System that makes everything and anything fine and dandy and ok.
This... is objectively wrong.
Consent is, in fact, not what countless people nowadays treat it as: As literal Magic.
@@ribozyme2899 I am assuming Loturzel means consent under false pretenses, correct me if I am wrong. If you remember the movie Kids for instance. With a lot of lying smooth talk/ alcohol, and maybe in this situation promises of marriage etc, which could have been a lie or meant at the time. However that still doesn't change that the dad is bonkers here.
@@Hyde_Hill If Wikipedia is correct, the characters in that movie were aged 13-16. And yeah, neither consent by a minor nor consent under drugs is usually counted as informed consent.
On the other hand, since the girlfriend in this video is 18 with no drug use mentioned, all that is N/A and the dad is, as you said, bonkers.
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Yo, i agree!
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"The Devil can quote scripture for his own purpose."
Scripture doesn't need the devil's help to be evil bile.
@@procrastinator99 Of course, sir. But I think the saying is more metaphorical as opposed to literal. It means that evil people - no matter how good they think of themselves - can use the Bible to support any awful behavior they chose.
@@cjmarshall0221 That is very true. But ultimately, The Bible being able to support any moral or awful behavior makes it morally useless. I mean, this father quoting scripture to support the idea that his daughter is his property isn't taking said scripture out of context. The Bible treats women as property.
@@procrastinator99 : have u read the whole bible
As a psychiatric technician, I believe that daughter ought to take her father to the doctor. The fact that he let the matter drop for ten years and then it flared up again suggests an organic disease process such as bipolar disorder or early onset dementia such as lewy body dementia or some types of Alzheimer's disease.
No cure for Alzheimer's. I recommend euthanasia.
This is so messed up. I am so glad we are raising our daughter as a second generation atheist. And that is, as a woman, who was raised without religion. Reminds me to thank my parents. When I lost my virginity, my mom just asked if it was good 😂😅 We are teaching our daughter about boundaries and consent. The rest is up to her
Also, what does the "defiled" daughter get for compensation?
According to the Unholy book, the bible, she should be taken to the edge of town and stoned. What's the good Cristian gonna do? Run girl.
@ Melanie, it depends on what the father considers to be the correct passage in some she'll get stoned, in other married off to the rapist/deflower in question, and in others she's forever shamed and is unable to be married off. Judging by the letter though I think the dad went with the forever shamed option some posters say she moved away and isn't talking to him so that helps too.
Melanie: Horrible pain in childbirth.
@Ron Maimon Never said stoning was for girls who slept with boys and 'stoning' was as barbaric then as much as it is now. All of the bible is barbaric superstition. Used by evil people to control the uneducated. No one wants a baby killing genocidal maniac upset with them. This 'loving' maniac will torture them for EVER!
This man is utterly insane. What a childhood his daughter must have had!
That letter cracked me up especially when he went on about stealing the boy's youth
The whole “judge not lest ye be judged” thing flew way over this guy’s head
This is legitimately incestuous. Meanwhile, my dad sat me down when I was 17 and told me I'd regret spending so much time inside playing video games and I should go to more parties and go on dates because I was "wasting the chance to make high school memories". When I told him I had a boyfriend he said "It's about fucking time huh kid?" and he ruffled my hair. He's always said "It's your life so you make the choices, I know I raised you well and I trust you." Ironically, MY dad gave me the tools to build a healthy relationship early on so my first boyfriend is still my boyfriend which would have been this freak's dream. (except we'd be married right now not common-law lmao)
Is anyone else picturing the dad as Gollum? "My preciousssss"
In SOME religious sects they actually give their daughters these periodic check-ups where they're EXAMINED to see whether their cherries are still intact or have been ruptured. In the FORMER case the girl is commended, .. . in the latter she's shamed.
And you can't reliably tell... Lots of variations in hymens
@Dan Wruck It certainly should be! Especially since the whole virginity-equals-intact-hymen thing is mistaken superstition.
@Jody Miranda I think it's always had something to do with the HUSBAND having the privilege of PLUCKING FIRST FRUITS, so to speak.
That father is seriously deranged. The former boyfriend needs to report that to the police. I think the daughter also needs to talk to the police for her safety. That's insane. He's beyond obsessed. His daughter and her love life are none of his business. Both she and the ex-boyfriend are long out of high school by now, so they are both legal adults. They were both in high school when it happened, but really, if they both consented, that's not forcing her or him, so again, none of the father's business. Why, ten years later, is he so obsessed with his daughter's virginity and love life? He's sick. Let his daughter and the ex-boyfriend alone, let them live their lives, and the father can pay attention to his wife, if she's not fed up with him too. I feel bad for all of them but the dad. What he's doing is not right; not under Jewish law and beliefs, not under Christian beliefs, and not under modern secular law in this country. He's essentially stalking and threatening the guy for something between two teens over ten years ago. Crazy.
Evangelical Christians: Sex is dirty and bad! Save it for someone you love!!!
U don’t understand Christianity
@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Do you?
@@taylosaurus : I am not a biblical scholar but I have a good understanding of Christianity.
@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Ok. What about Lucinda’s comment indicates she has no understanding of Christianity?
@@taylosaurus : “Sex is dirty and bad” is not a Christian/biblical stance.
But he’s quoting things from the OLD testament. The Old Testament doesn’t count anymore, remember?
It can still count, if it’s convenient for the Christian making the argument. Or not, if it isn’t. Dealer’s choice, ya know.
Where can you find that in the Old Testament?
I keep trying to remind evangelicals about that. It really pisses them off. All that love your neighbor crap and turn the other cheek nonsense. Old Testament is so much more fun.
Except when it does:
"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5:18
@ How, I think it depends on your bible and your version of Christianity. To most yes it doesn't exist to some parts exist even though if they read the bible it tells you heres the switching point but that would require one to read and not be told by their speakers/pastors.
I’d bet $1,000 that the dad voted for Trump. The overwhelming smell of ‘Republican’ in that letter could stun an elephant.
As a Christian I can tell you, this guy is Jim Jones crazy.
Seriously, he needs extensive therapy.
I truly hope this dad gets whatever help he needs. He is clearly experiencing some sort of mental break and is detached from reality.
Imagine me, growing up in purity culture and learning later that virginity is a myth. 🤯🤯
Y’all, I just rolled my eyes so hard that I think I sprained something. 🤣 I used to be a church youth leader, and I was also secretly sleeping with a fellow youth leader. No one ever found out. I inferred from that experience that the odds of other supposed good Christian young adults being hypocrites was pretty damn high. Honestly, I’m grateful to have learned before I got married that sex doesn’t just have to be something a wife gives to her husband and that I’m allowed to actually enjoy it too. That realization was the antithesis of what the church taught me sex was supposed to be. Glad to be an atheist now and free of all the guilt and shame that the church told me I should feel for “sinning.”
This man sounds like Prince Zuko, "I NEED TO CAPTURE THE AVATAR TO RESTORE MY HONOR" lol!!!!!!!!
Don't compare this guy to Zuko. Zuko doesn't deserve that hahahah.
@@brishtisengupta7180 You don't get it: you get a muscly man version of yourself taking out ten bad guys at once. But for me, it takes everything I've ever done and throws it in my face.
You have stained my family's honor and stained your family's honor.
The only thing stained was the sheets!
Speaking as a Christian myself, this father is nuts. I believe the problem has more to do with fundamentalism than Christianity.
Yea, the “purity” culture among muslims is equally disturbing
@@Dan_C604to be honest, Muslim “purity”culture is far worse. Christians don’t do stonings.
@@briannewman9285 this isn’t a pissing context. We just mean it is disturbing all about “purity” culture no matter where it is coming from. Religion particularly fundamentalist religion is the cause.
@@Dan_C604I didn’t make it a pissing contest. *I’m* not the one who made the erroneous “equally disturbing” claim.
Just FYI; there are some pretty heavy undertones of "spell-casting" within that whole letter. Fanciful beliefs often lead to other hidden fanciful beliefs. Have a weird BrotherIL who acts a lot like that. Esoteric Abrahamic "Warlock" would be a lot of the keywords to find that world. Related to the Jewish community that believes there is a hidden code within the various holy texts.
Toss in a heavy dose of sexual scripture obsession and you have the animus required to write such a letter.
I'm willing to bet $ that he is a trump voter.
What does any of that have to do with Trump? Most of the people who hate him are idiots
@@justicemartinez2625 usually conservatives Christians are republicans
*USUALLY*
@@justicemartinez2625 Most of the people who support him are bigger idiots, and just as mentally damaged as this "father".
Trump, red triangles. Look it up. Hitler at least kept a lot of his promises. Trump is just as insane, but not even 1% as competent as Hitler was. He can try to be the next Hitler all he wants but he will never accomplish anything in his life. Even his "great economy" was artificially propped up, and collapsed all the same when it was put to the test.
Remember when he used that talking point? I do, because I don't have the memory of a goldfish like most of his supporters. Well, I say memory of a goldfish but the reality is that I could never knowingly convince myself to believe 2 completely contradictory claims. I have something called self-worth. Something that most of his supporters seem to be lacking.
You'd win that money BIG TIME! Crazy Evangelicals believe Trump is the Biblical Cyrus reborn!
This dad is a serious nut job. Hope he gets help. Professional help. And soon.
hw might be a nut job , but he needs to be exaimed by medical doctor= he might have an un diagnosed brain tumor
First, this man needs professional psychiatric help.😵😳
Second, according to his own book "if you commit a sin in your heart, you will be judged for that sin" (or something like that). So the father contemplating the man's torturous murder,,,🤔
Just saying😏
I think the restraining order is probably a good idea
You’re correct this guy has already committed murder in his heart. This so called Christian father needs psychiatric help!
In his mind, though, it wouldn't be a sin because he would be "rightfully/righteously punishing a sinner".
@@jwb52z9 then he missed that part "vengeance is mine, saith the lord" "judge not, lest ye be judged" etc etc etc
Any father who claims his daughter's virginity is "his" greatest treasure, sounds like a man who is just jealous that someone else got to it first.
"You took _FROM ME_ my most precious treasure!"
...I'm sorry, wat?!
😑
It takes a special kind of crazy to think this way, and it's a prime demonstration that not everyone is a person.
This sounds like it'd be related to Islam, except there haven't been any honor killings.
Edit: Well, just got to that part of the letter...
Dude! This is not a Theocracy! That dad is a dunce. WHAT!? He said that he has seen Hell? Smh. Thanks for sharing.
He's a dunce because that's how many fundamentalists are, and how they behave when you start questioning or undermining their weird beliefs.
This particular sect wants America to become a theocratic state. Pence is one.
If I wasn't so convinced that what part of me thinks is absolutely nuts, I would probably be railing that Trump was elected by that Evangelical base on purpose. Mainly to create so much chaos that the average American will practically *beg* Pence to take over, and thus create an open path to their little "Handmaid's Tale" knockoff society.
I initially thought he would ask 49 years of the guy's salary.
Nope, 49 years of precious youth! After all, he has to be lookin spry when he goes out to kill some Amalekites.
It's a blessing that the father at least still thinks of his daughter as his girl-child and apparently still finds his wife sexually attractive. I can understand ensuring sexual health and education, advocating use of birth control, or even urging the pair to hold off a while (and communicate clearly) just to make sure any teenaged drama doesn't get in the way too soon the morning after, but as a mother I find this letter far too close to incestuous pedophilia for comfort.
I don’t know, usually when someone writes stuff like that I would be going out of my way to file a restraining order and the FBI to put him on the watch list.
If I had lost 7 years of youth for every similar act of mine, I would have died of old age about 300 years before my birth.