I didn’t know Tui wrote darkstalker based off her abusive ex. It sucks she had an abusive ex, but thankfully she’s out of that situation now. Good to know though, I hope people don’t further glorify Darkstalker’s actions
@@amaliciousgoose He was a kid who had a terrible upbringing and wanted Revenge but ultimately also wanted love and a normal family and was going to do anything and everything forget it even if he lost his soul in the process. He is not evil.
@@GundamKType There’s a difference between having a reason and justification. Sure, that’s _why_ he did it, but that doesn’t justify attempting to murder an entire tribe.
@@GundamKType He still attempted murder. If someone attempted to murder thousands of peoples pets in the more painful way possible yet failed, that doesn’t make it anything less horrible to do even if they didn’t actually succeed. Not to mention the trauma it could’ve caused dragons of the tribe even long after the incident. I’ll just stop here, because if you’re willing to glorify an attempted mass murderer then there’s no reasoning with you, plus arguing with people on the internet is like talking to a brick wall
I think the sheer number of Darkstalker sympathisers is a symptom of a bigger issue, people seem to have this idea that the only kind of villain are the pure evil ones, and anyone else is just a poor wittle baby who’s totally fine bc they had “good intentions” and/or were wronged by who they want to hurt. Mapleshade suffers from the same issue. Villains can be complex - and imo they should be - but they’re still villains for a reason.
Darkstalker's complexity not only stems from the fact that his inspiration comes from Tui's actual ex, but he also has a lot, in my opinion, and I mean A LOT of similarities to soemone like Adolf Hitler in terms of behavior, backstory and psychology. People being Darkstalker sympathisers would be akin to people supporting Hitler, and that is not moral at all. Sure Darkstalker was abused in his childhood, experienced war (didn't really fight but the war between NightWings and IceWings fueled his hatred for the IceWings, added with his own father's abuse), wanted to try his best for his friends keeping them safe and all. I am a strong believer of behaviorism and as such everything experienced by him in his life built him as he is today. That doesn't make him good or worthy of pity, he's still a villain. However not only does it mark him as a bad person, but also sheds light on the issues of the world around him. For me, dealing with someone bad isn't solely punishing them and either leave them be after or destroy them (psychologically or physically), but it's also finding the issues in society and fixing them. A villain isn't born, it's built by the world around them. People sympathizing for villains do see that but instead they are passive to the issues of society, and will see in those villains someone relatable... perhaps themselves becoming villains. The WoF community has many very dangerous controversies like this, and something has to be done to combat those...
@@VictorbrineSC I like Darkstalker, but as a villain. I would never justify his actions. Like Darth Vader. I like him and I feel bad for him, but his actions are terrible. I would almost say Darkstalker is worse then Vader since Vader at least redeemed himself.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 This! I liked Darkstalker too, but like you said, as a villian. I see why he did the stuff he did, but there's a difference between understanding and justifying. Just because I'll say I knew why he did these things or felt bad abt his past and all that, it doesn't mean I said it's excusable Honestly, I was _so_ shocked at the parts he transformed FeirceTeeth into ClearSight, I knew he's a messed up dragon already but that part honestly drew it for me. I'll even go to say I got even more scared of him, though him enchanting himself with animus magic detection for Anemone scared me already
@@VictorbrineSC he actually literally has Hitler's back story, his dad was Jewish and he abused his mom, so we vowed to kill all Jews, swap Jewish for icewings and bam, you get Darkstalker.
his reaction probably: Good for her, but how and HOW COME SHE GOT TO BE A GODESS AND I HAD TO BE DOOMED TO A 200000 YEAR LONG SLUMBER?! honestly unfair if I do say so myself
@@peeperthedroucan9257 he would send a dagger to kill sunstreak, and since sunstreak is already dead, darkstalker would enchant sunstreaks body to be teleported to him so he can personally kill him and then get mad a clearsight for "cheating" and do the same
I love darkstalkers villan ark. Its so much more of a realistic villan. I do wish we could get a book that explains more on albatrosses ark and how he was driven insain. The book assumes that its the animus magic that makes you lose you're soul but I think its much deeper then that!
Oh it wasn't really the power I don't remember the queen of seawings back then but she used him like a tool and If I remember correctly the queen wanted to replace him with fathom because of his younger vision so I believe that what broke him, just replaced and also the trauma of what he accidentally did to his sister ? I dunno if it was his sister
@@rookie4162 They said the book ASSUMES that it was animus magic, not that it WAS animus magic. I totally agree with you as well- Albatross had to have a reason to do that, and what he did to his sister of Fathom taking his place. Maybe he had beef with the queen? Who knows. (I haven't read Darkstalker in a while so I don't remember that well it lol)
@@MambaDraws I think the book says it....queen said something along these lines to albatross "replaced with younger vision" And something so I believe he snapped from being used and the trauma
i think that animus magic makes you go insane is just a myth. it's the dragons own decisions that turn them evil. like how darkstalker made something for himself so that his soul wouldn't turn evil from him using his animus magic but in darkness of dragons qibli used that enchanted hour glass on darkstalker and that showed that he was almost completely evil even though he made it so that animus magic couldn't hurt his soul. and fathom and turtle both used animus magic but neither of them even started to get even the slightest bit more aggressive to anyone.
to all of the people saying "b-but he was abused!!! it wasnt his fault he lost his mind!!!!!! he was nice before he became evil!!!!!!" i hope you never get emotionally manipulated or abused in your life, because these are the exact things that other people have said about my abuser. stuff like "but he had a rough childhood too, it isnt his fault hes messed up! he was nice to me, you just arent understanding him!" also "it wasnt his fault he went insane" well guess what? the entire point of his arc is that it WASNT animus magic corrupting his mind, it was his own actions, the actions that caused him to hurt others. and even if he really couldnt control himself, he should still be held accountable for his actions. he manipulated a FOUR YEAR OLD DRAGON, moon, who would probably be around 12 if she were human, and at that time hed been imprisoned in the mountain for 2,000 years. say what you want about him, you cant deny that he is an abuser.
“My parents divorced so I’m allowed to kill people, also I’m Nuerodivergent” -Darkstalker Also he was around 8-10 when he went into the mountain so it’s not like he was young when he woke up again either.
This first part reminds me of "I'm depressed so I'm aloud to be a complete asshole". Unrelated but I hate that, I hate that. Just no, the fact that you have a mental disorder DOES NOT excuse you bein' a trashbag, hun
You know who Darkstalker reminds me of? Jason Dean from Heathers. They both have some comedic lines, are manipulative to their love interests, are adored and defended by their fanbase & they both have parental issues. The only difference is that Darkstalker is a 2000 year old dragon with magical abilities while Jason Dean is just some high schooler.
Tbh I could feel that vibe from Darkstalker 100%. And that fake Clearsight thing was soooo creepy. "Bring Clearsight back from the dead? No. That'd be weird" -Darkstalker while enchanting the Nightwing he'd given super high rank to become the dragon he loved at just the right moment. ALSO, watching you paint that _AMAZING PAINTING_ all the way through without saving even one time was wild.
I like Darkstalker for how well he was written, not for who he is. I absolutely despise him otherwise. Even right from the beginning when he was hatching everything about him screamed crEEEEPY
Tbh that really isn’t creepy too me, because he was a baby and babies are narcissists that only care about themselves they just get taught to grow out of it, it just made me excited to see him unravel
@@lollivee6770 this isn’t just narrasitic stuff, he was RIGHT outta the egg and his sentences, as well as his outright VILLAINOUS wording is NOT NORMAL
@@thenyan3095 Still don’t find it creepy, all I felt when I read that scene was “damn, this is interesting” I didn’t find him even vaguely creepy until I read arc 2 (I read Legends Darkstalker first)
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT! There are literally so many major red flags in Darkstalker's character; he actively *chose* not to help Whiteout hatch out of her egg and attain moonlight powers because he didn't want competition, he manipulates his closest friends and justifies his actions by claiming it's for a "wonderful future," even if they had to be dragged into it kicking and screaming, and during the Jade Mountain Arc, he lied to Moon and the others every chance he got. Not to mention Clearsight, who *loved him,* said she was terrified of him and told Listener the future of Darkstalker *killing her* was a huge possibility. All that on top of Darkstalker initially planning to hurt or even kill Turtle before Turtle casted his invisibility spell, and Stomemover sensing Darkstalker overtaking his talons: "My talons are gone. These are monsters crawling out of the earth and they will rend the sky and crush the wings of small dragons and I can't let them I won't I won't I won't let them be used again!" Darkstalker doesn't see other dragons as dragons. He is a dangerous narcissist who never would have realized the error in his ways because he believed he did nothing wrong. Killing his father? Justified; after all, Arctic is *soo* much worse. Using his spells to tamper with the minds of others? He just wanted to make them *happy!* Everyone shits on Darkness of Dragons for it's ending, but I truly think it was the most realistic way to defeat him. He was so inflated by his ego all it took was one strawberry.
“Oh, he was just misunderstood” yeah ok, tell that to the dragon who, like you said, refusing to help his sister _while still in the damn egg_. He was a manipulative narcissist before he was even born. How do people not see this
@@paradoxtatorstudios9681 Misunderstood? By his fanbase, for a good part, 100%, but in the way you think (Referring to the people saying that, I'm not sure how well-worded that was so just to clarify. He's awful.)
Honestly this is why sympitizing with abusers is bad. Abuse victims irl recieve comments like "Oh but he was Nice to me!" "Oh but hes such a kind guy he couldnt mean that! Think about how he feels about it!" You are nit allowed to sympitize with wife beaters for example becouse it always ends in "Poor baby" and accusing the victim if lying, blaming said victim for everything possible to make them look bad. Theres. No. Sympathy. For. Those. People. None.
wait- people thought he WASNT abusive?! he straight up lied to Moon and used his magic to manipulate other dragon's thoughts and actions- (i have only watched the first 36 seconds so far but-) WHY DO PEOPLE THINK HES NOT ABUSIVE? also not-fun fact: theres a teacher at my school who thinks love bombing and gas lighting isnt manipulation- when i say i had the BIGGEST FACE PALM- im not joking
As a manipulator I can confirm gaslighting and love bombing is manipulation. Perhaps the reason they thought love bombing wasnt manipulation stena from the fact many manipulators DONT KNOW that they are manipulative or try to deny it to themselves. Frankly you can only manipulate a gaslighter becouse they wont believe you or want to believe you. And if they are in large numbers your attempts to make them listen are usseless.
After I read Darkstalker a couple months ago, (thank you, person from school who let me borrow theirs), I was able to better understand what happened to Darkstalker to make him the way he is. The thing is, from HATCHING, he could tell his mother was so much better than his father, who loved Whiteout better than him. Arctic only loved Whiteout because she was more IceWing than DS, which is said in the books. One thing I’d like to know furthermore is- why? Whiteout still is part NightWing, so why bother favoring her over his son? Speaking of Whiteout, I notice that DS is actually nicer to Whiteout, although it was horrible, the way he had her watch him tear their father apart. Literally.
whiteout was favored probably just bc she looked more like arctic. people actually do that irl, and since darkstalker looked almost 100% nightwing arctic probably thought foeslayer cheated on him
I was listening to the jade mountain academy audio book of Talons of Power and I realized he also was blame shifting when he says to what he thinks is Clearsight “You should have to help fix this. Do you see what you did when you betrayed me? It’s all gone - our tribe’s power, our kingdom. Our beautiful future. You did this to our whole tribe, not just to me.” when he was the reason the nightwings where afraid of him
I was actually in the process of making a very similar video to this! Honestly it's hard for me to reread the Jade Mountain Ark because seeing his abuse and knowing how many people excuse it makes me feel sick. It's really gross and disturbing to say the least and I really wish we as a fandom didn't excuse his actions as much as we do. This was an amazing video and you made great points ^^
I agree with you that his motive doesn't excuse his actions ok he did bad stuff he was bad but what I want to believe is that he could be better if he lived with loving family because Everytime he came home it was always fights and his father pretty much disliked him I love him as villain but I don't see any reason to justify his actions
Agreed. Re-reading book 6 hits so different once you've read the prequal and realize how similar his interactions with Moon are to those between him and Clearsight. Especially since it's clear that, while he might have had regrets once, he doesn't any more, he's perfected his craft.
Honestly, the only dragon I found he's not toxic to is Whiteout. Now, I haven't read much of DarkStalker yet, since I'm still trying to finish The Poison Jungle, but from what I've decided to read, he's been pretty nice to her. I honestly find it nice that he isn't toxic to everyone, or else that wouldn't turnt out as good got him. But I can get why he's not toxic to her. Your reason and...well, she's his younger sibling. It's basically what I call 'Younger sibling love syndrome'. You see, with most things, older siblings are more loving to younger siblings. Of course, I can't specify this myself, since I have no siblings.
dang maybe thats why my sister literally laughs at me when im mad *what the hell big sis* also sometimes shes mad at me and when i ask her why, she tell me shes not mad *yet i am a slight empath*
Man, before my dad sadly pasted in Nov. I was wanting to get him to read WOF. Because he loved fanstey books, like me. I really miss him, he really loved Star wars and Harry Potter.
This is one large reason why I stopped interacting with the wings of Fire community, they legit do not care what a character has done , they will put them in a good light and idolize them, Prince Arctic wasn't even that bad, it's just the fandom doesn't understand icewings, nightwings are probably the worst tribe bc of all the horrid shit they've done but icewings just have a superiority complex (like nightwings btw) and they're painted bad for what reason?? Winter and arctic were literally emotionally neglected and abused all their life and raised AS ICEWINGS ARE, ofc they're gonna be that way, darkstalker had the teachings from his mother. He's done so much bad yet everyone loves him, why man??? Edit: wanna circle back and say icewing behavior isn't condoned at ALL. It just has reason
@@mysryuza based, artics death must have been absolutely HORRENDOUS for him, even with his wrongdoings, but nahhh let’s sympathise with someone who had 2000+ years to learn his lesson, yet was still evil
You say you're confused about why Darkstalker would let Moon hear the "and you can help me". I think we can boil that down to a tactic of grooming, in this case emotional grooming. "You can help me" in tandem with jokes about how pathetic Moon is, tells Moon that Darkstalker sees her potential. He appeals to her good nature and her desire to have friends. "You can help me" tells Moon she deserves this friendship because she adds value to it. This could be completely unintended, though.
After reading yellow fangs secret and legends: DarkStalker you can really tell the these books have very similar plot but in different povs one from the mother of the evil son and one from the evil son. And it almost made me be able to think on each of their stories.
When I randomly came across this guy on the villain wiki I was confused because he wanted the best possible future, wanted to help a friend reach their full potential, was friends with the main characters, but he also wanted to destroy a species
If the friend they were talking about was Fathom, then Darkstalker wanted him to reach full potential in the worst way possible. Enchanting his childhood friend/lover to be a wooden carving believing that she was a “problem” in Fathom’s life, try to force Fathom into using his magic again knowing well that he’s traumatized by what happened with his grandfather, hell he was even planning on marrying Fathom off to a NightWing to make him “happy” without Indigo. I could go on, but I think I’ve said enough. Darkstalker was a horrible friend to his so-called “friends”, and I will stand by that forever.
I didn't read Darkstalker yet, but that makes me want to read it very soon! I really like those formats from you. It always fills me with joy when I see there is another analysis from you! That really makes always my day
Which is why I dont know why many try to claim he did nothing wrong. Yes he was abuse by his father, the queen his mother should have done better to protect him and scold him when the situation call it but in the end all those decisions that he took what his and his all alone. He try to wipe out the Icewings, hurt anyone who oppose him and literally the moment he find out another animus he was going to either kill it or make it a prisoner even mentioning wanting to experiment on them. Yes, I know it wasn't wise for Tui to force him to change but the problem is that Darkstalker was never going to willingly to change. Maybe Tui should have find another way to deal with him but fans should at least realize was never going to agree to change into another dragon.
I never sympathized with Darkstalker, when I read his book (which I read before the second series) I remember specifically being excited to see this character just unravel and I was not disappointed, I remember distinctly feeling bad for everyone accept him until I learned he actually woke up in the second arc, then I felt a little bad. Admittedly I might be a bit biased because I actually really like Arctic and believe he deserved better than what he got but I digress.
Darkstalker is a wonderfully complex and scarily believable villain - an arrogant, entitled, and manipulative person who uses his power to dominate others "for their own good" and uses the wrongs done against him to justify cruelty to innocent third parties. Darkstalker loved other dragons, yes - but he loved them as possessions, not as their own people, and never as much as he loved his own ego. I've known too many abusers like that. Not monsters who enjoy being evil, but people who would be shocked, horrified, and indignant if you told them their behavior is in fact abusive. And true to form, Darkstalker desperately, falsely, insisted he was a good dragon up until his final moments. But his intentions don't change reality, and his actions were evil. I always thought this was the obvious point of his story. Apparently not. At times, I wonder if he was written a little TOO well, if so many people in real life fell for his tactics. But that's also why I appreciate him. People need to see evil that isn't a caricature and learn how to recognize it.
I don't understand people who think Darkstalker isn't a villan. He killed at LEAST 14 dragons. (Arctic, glacier and 12 unnamed icewings) He also tried to commit a genocide....
That and casted a spell to force others to like him or be chill with his decisions, cast a plague to a whole race (or tribe) over something most dragons aren’t even alive anymore in current day…. And yet people still defend him
3:07 I always viewed this as he wasn’t at the point of murder yet. Sure he wanted the positive outcomes of murdering indigo but his subconscious might of told him that murder was wrong so he of course finds a work around by putting Indigo in the statue without killing just so no one could say he had murdered her probably it was the label itself instead of the outcome that he didn’t like.
reminds me of my brother. Manipulative. Tries to convince me that everyone will hate me if I don't do as he says. Physically abusive. Racist. Downright evil. etc. etc. etc. He is the only person I truly hate. I don't feel a single ounce of love towards him, and it's all justified.
holy shit I just realized Darkstalker is like my father, he uses me and my siblings as tools to make himself look good and disowns us when we don't do our 'job'. Now looking at it more closely I can actually see a bit of myself in the wings of fire series a bit more.
I adore darkstalker- but as a villain. People in this fandom need to stop excusing what he did. How about we don’t try to excuse characters who literally committed murder and tried to kill an entire nation because of something they did thousands of years ago. Not to mention manipulation and some other quirky things. Love darkstalker- but you better not excuse him.
Even though he fits the typical “arrogant villain with power who thinks they’re doing the right thing because revenge” trope, I like that the books showed him with actual sorrow for loss and how the arrangement of his actions can snowball into something negative, even with good intentions. Sounds like real life, tbh. He’s enthusiastic and intelligent with pain, sorrow, and had good intentions and was able to relate to others to manipulate, which might be why some may not think he’s evil. (I mean if using powers to force others to like you and waging war on another race over something from thousands of years ago aren’t already red flags, I don’t know what is.)
I read the legends, and just went SCREW THIS LORE- I was upset at the time don't question me, so I made an AU where Foeslayer and Arctic basically manage to talk the queens out of the war... and arctic opens up to Darkstalker- OMG AHH I am animating this it's final I will explain more in replies if people want
None of that sounds realistic. How would Foeslayer and Artic convince the Queens, specifically Artic's mother, to stop fighting? Why would the Queens listen? Why should Artic, in his mind, open up to Darkstalker?
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 I'm sorry but have you not read the part about how my brain was all over the place at the time? also why comment if you have nothing good to say? anyways... in my Au it's that Foeslayer and Arctic just only feel like themselves or at least aren't as stressed out during some of the banquets (?) such as the banquet that welcomes the Seawings. - I honestly don't where my brain went this AU RN... sorry if I came off as rude at all... it's because I just woke up
the fact that i tought Darkstalker acted just like my abusive ex who was 18 at the time and I thought I was Clearsight and I was 13 when I read the book SOOOOO.....
i think darkstalker is a cool and thought out villian certainly very interesting reminds me a but of hawkfrost from the warriors series i dont know why he killed arctic i have not read the whole of arc 2 or the legend edition but i still know about peacemaker
1:15 when did that happen? Do you mean the line that fathom says that when he’s with his friends he can forgot about his bad memories? I pretty sure that’s supposed to be him actually healing from his trauma because he has a support System (as in his friends) not darkstalker useing a spell. (If this isn’t what you mean or I am missing something sorry)
I say he's a fool, because he wasn't even able to use his powers well, and he ended up dying despite being able to predict, he wasn't able to realize his mistakes or the contradictions between his wishes and his actions. But this is a losing discussion for anyone, because everyone wants to see him as evil and nothing more.
And that's not even mentioning the interaction he had with clear sight after his little petrified display ... Or the thing with winter... Or trying to enchant fathom to get rid of his morals
I agree with the overall point that Darkstalker is abusive and his actions shouldn't be excused, but I disagree with you saying that he didn't truly believe he was making Clearsight happy and was just completely consciously doing it out of selfish motives - the whole point of his character is that he isn't just manipulating everyone else and laughing internally about how he has them under his thumb, but deceiving himself as well into thinking his actions are good and for selfish reasons, and that makes him a lot more interesting than just a "haha I am manipulating everyone for my selfish goals, such fools" villain, and taking that away from him and saying he doesn't believe any of those excuses takes away the message that people can be abusive while not thinking of themselves as abusive and not letting themselves acknowledge their real motivations. Similarly, based on how he acted towards Turtle (imprisoning him and taking his powers while telling himself how good and noble a dragon he was for not killing him), I imagine the real reason he didn't just kill Indigo is so he could tell himself he wasn't being so bad, he had mercy and spared her life despite her trying to kill him for his powers when they first met, and since he could always bring her back later with a few spells to make her forget what he did to her, it wasn't really the same as killing, he could still see himself as a good dragon.
Saying Darkstalker isn’t evil or abusive is like saying the color red isn’t red. I’m genuinely surprised his fans think he’s a good guy somehow. I’m sure some of it might come from personal stuff for a lot of people, but still, *Darkstalker is not good.*
I get hes tuis ex as a dragon but do understand this darkstalker was abused and used as a tool and he didnt want the same for his sister but sadly artic made darkstalker think that way like it was normal and darkstalker didnt even notice mabye if artic was a better father darkstalker might have been 85% or 100% less abusive
The people that go around saying things like how nice and charming Darkstalker is aren’t wrong. That’s the whole point of his character, is it not, charming to draw others in, therefore making it a struggle to get out.
Stop shipping Darkstalker and Clearsight. Darkstalker is based on Tuis ex boyfriend and Tui was Clearsight. Stop shipping and supporting an toxic abusive relationship Tui had expericed when she was 16 years old 😢😢😢😢 Is just wrong
Darkstalker is the BEST villain in all of Wings of Fire, and possibly in any form of media ever, and this is why I think that. First of all, he wasn’t trying to be evil. He just wanted the best for Pyrrhia. Second of all, he is VERY convincing and manipulative. Moon genuinely thought he wasn’t evil. Even Clearsight, who could see EVERY future didn’t think he was evil until the very end. She STILL loved him when she knew how evil he was. Sure, she wore that earring that prevented her from seeing the bad futures but even after she took it off she didn’t want to think Darkstalker was evil. The fandom cannot see that he is evil, AT ALL. I won’t lie, even I though his actions were justified for a while. Third, his end was VERY ironic. People hate on it because it went against the main lesson that Arc 2 was teaching and turned him into a different character. They blame Peacemaker because he used to be Darkstalker, but it wasn’t his fault at all. Also, the Arc didn’t teach you that Animus magic was bad, it just taught you that you should be careful with it. When Kinkajou turned him into Peacemaker, she was completely justified. People also say that it affected his free will, but it didn’t. He doesn’t remember being Darkstalker at all. And anyway, Darkstalker was going to completely destroy any form of free will that other dragons could ever have, so wouldn’t it be better if HIS free will was affected? People just don’t like to think he was evil, because of how much they loved him. Sorry for the long comment, it’s just that Darkstalker’s character is VERY complicated, and in fact, it’s probably dozens of times more complicated than I made it out to be!
No one is actually evil, it's there decisions. Like maybe for example: a robber steals money from a bank, but gives it to homeless ppl. Good or evil? None. Bc there is no evil! I honestly just think that DarkStalker is just misunderstood by many.
You have to remember he wanted to commit a genocide because of a vendetta from over 2,000 years ago! Even the soul reader said his soul was gone, so no arguing with that…..
I disagree strongly. my pov: he's just traumatized. i mean, did you hear how his father treated him? his parents were always fighting, his sister was freaky, his father was horrible to him, the queen tried to take control him, and so fourth. i feel much symathy toward him, and i would never trash talk him. NOT TO MENTION HIS GF TRAPPED HIM IN A MOUNTAIN FOR 2000 YEARS!
Trauma does not justify abuse. You can still be traumatized and abusive.His trauma might have affected him but that shouldn't matter.He tried killing an entire tribe.Also that spell he tried putting on fathom.Killing his dad in the most gruesome way possible in front of dragonets.He is evil.
@@Asmanidoesnotexist2 I suppose you could be right. But going into winter's mind made me completely change how I thought about IceWings. I mean, all the tribes think they are better than others but the IceWings seem to have such Superiority... And the thing about the YOU CAN ONLY USE YOUR ANIMUS MAGIC ONCE just makes me dispise IceWings like Frozen gem does Peacemaker... There are many other reasons for my opinion that I cannot think of atm so I may seen unreasonable... BUT TO THINK THE WHOLE REASON OF THE 2000 YEAR WAR BETWEEN ICE WINGS AND NIGHT WINGS WAS JUST BECAUSE MISS ICY QUEEN FACE OVER HERE THOUGHT THAT FOESLAYER /made/ ARCTIC HAVE DRAGONETS WITH HER? Ice wings are unreasonable, selfish, (etc) and need to start over.
@@crystalplayz3514 The reason why I think she is the worst because she hurt him in a big way by making him hate his best friend thinking it was his fault and not hers also she never broke up with him trapped him suffering in a mountain for 2000 years and mated with so many dragons she created 2 or maybe 3 different tribes but I would like to hear how you can defend her?
@@saharathesandwing1232 Didn't her spouses are die before she moved on? I could be wrong. Also, she trapped him so that he, a manipulative and dangerous narcissist, wouldn't become the dictator of hundreds of dragons and possibly try to wipe out an entire culture. I haven't read this book in a while, I'm not sure on the other points.
@@saharathesandwing1232 clearsight can see every future she new he would do really really bad things so she stopped him she did nothing wrong stop sympathizing with the abuser and feel bad for the abused
He’s abusive to Clearsight and Fathom, or toxic is a better word. He doesn’t respect Clearsight’s actual thoughts on him and his magic so he broke her promise about not using his powers on her, he doesn’t like the fact that Fathom is being guarded away from his powers so he tries to manipulate him onto using them when Fathom feels a little more safer without doing any magic after experiencing trauma from the Royal Massacre. He was also kinda born evil?
He is not abusive/entirely evil/cold heated/crazy He’s just a misunderstood young child who was tortured All villains have a normal back story there’s alway the one person who makes the villian who they are So In conclusion darkstalker isn’t the main villian it would be his Father(abuses him and hates him,without a fathers love one can be hurt by what his father says as he would try his best to gain his love) and queen diamond(took his Mother) it’s also because his whole life was basically arguing,he also had to protect his Sister from what his parents say With parents who always fight One would turn to the dark path in hopes to find attention and would not have anyone to guide them to the light path,thus when clear sight came she was too late as he was already walking down the path set by fate
@@barniiwoop It's ok a lot of people misunderstood him So it's ok of people actually think he's the villain when he's not He's like the protagonist His father would be the main villain But I guess it would probably be that no one guided him on his choices
@@Void_Fang I know this was 2 months ago but the book is titled “Darkstalker,” who is the main antagonist in the Jade Mountain Prophecy and pretty much in his own book as it came out after Book 9 or 8. He might’ve been a troubled child but he shouldn’t have treated other dragons how he did.
Qibli and Turtle got it right. The magic does not make you lose your soul or turn evil; It's what you do with it. He literally made a talisman to dispell the myth and when that was burned, he made like 3 different things to protect his soul. It didn't work because the magic isn't the problem, its just his actions
i'm pretty sure it was even stated by indigo at the end of darkstalker: legends that it wasn't the magic that made them evil, but what they did with it
Darkstalker was never abusive you're just fueling your own ideology with this video. And I could try to argue with anyone who's going to comment on this but you know what I know there's no convincing you people you're already all set in your own ways because you think he's evil and there is no other way but that's simply not the case so I'm just going to dislike you move on and simply tell you that you're wrong and that I hope one day you'll be able to realize that but you probably won't. If anything this video is evil not him.
@@GundamKType also did you even like. Watch the video. rogan gives some very reasonable evidence as to why he believes darkstalker is abusive. darkstalker was literally based on one of tuis abusive exes. he was explicitly written to be abusive, right down to the way he manipulated moon.
What she saying makes no sense and it's wrong, he's not abusive like I said I'm not going to try and argue with this with you there's no reason to you're wrong but there's no way I'm going to convince you of that because you're too set in your ways so just leave me the hell alone I put in my two cents worth you don't need to put in yours if you feel like it you do you don't have to address it with me.
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Imagine writing a character based on your abusive ex only for a bunch of people to not get the character is evil.
I didn’t know Tui wrote darkstalker based off her abusive ex. It sucks she had an abusive ex, but thankfully she’s out of that situation now. Good to know though, I hope people don’t further glorify Darkstalker’s actions
@@amaliciousgoose He was a kid who had a terrible upbringing and wanted Revenge but ultimately also wanted love and a normal family and was going to do anything and everything forget it even if he lost his soul in the process. He is not evil.
@@GundamKType There’s a difference between having a reason and justification. Sure, that’s _why_ he did it, but that doesn’t justify attempting to murder an entire tribe.
@@amaliciousgoose He didn't even kill 20 let alone the whole tribe. He did nothing evil.
@@GundamKType He still attempted murder. If someone attempted to murder thousands of peoples pets in the more painful way possible yet failed, that doesn’t make it anything less horrible to do even if they didn’t actually succeed. Not to mention the trauma it could’ve caused dragons of the tribe even long after the incident.
I’ll just stop here, because if you’re willing to glorify an attempted mass murderer then there’s no reasoning with you, plus arguing with people on the internet is like talking to a brick wall
I think the sheer number of Darkstalker sympathisers is a symptom of a bigger issue, people seem to have this idea that the only kind of villain are the pure evil ones, and anyone else is just a poor wittle baby who’s totally fine bc they had “good intentions” and/or were wronged by who they want to hurt. Mapleshade suffers from the same issue. Villains can be complex - and imo they should be - but they’re still villains for a reason.
Darkstalker's complexity not only stems from the fact that his inspiration comes from Tui's actual ex, but he also has a lot, in my opinion, and I mean A LOT of similarities to soemone like Adolf Hitler in terms of behavior, backstory and psychology. People being Darkstalker sympathisers would be akin to people supporting Hitler, and that is not moral at all. Sure Darkstalker was abused in his childhood, experienced war (didn't really fight but the war between NightWings and IceWings fueled his hatred for the IceWings, added with his own father's abuse), wanted to try his best for his friends keeping them safe and all. I am a strong believer of behaviorism and as such everything experienced by him in his life built him as he is today. That doesn't make him good or worthy of pity, he's still a villain. However not only does it mark him as a bad person, but also sheds light on the issues of the world around him. For me, dealing with someone bad isn't solely punishing them and either leave them be after or destroy them (psychologically or physically), but it's also finding the issues in society and fixing them. A villain isn't born, it's built by the world around them. People sympathizing for villains do see that but instead they are passive to the issues of society, and will see in those villains someone relatable... perhaps themselves becoming villains. The WoF community has many very dangerous controversies like this, and something has to be done to combat those...
@@VictorbrineSC I like Darkstalker, but as a villain. I would never justify his actions. Like Darth Vader. I like him and I feel bad for him, but his actions are terrible. I would almost say Darkstalker is worse then Vader since Vader at least redeemed himself.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375
This! I liked Darkstalker too, but like you said, as a villian.
I see why he did the stuff he did, but there's a difference between understanding and justifying. Just because I'll say I knew why he did these things or felt bad abt his past and all that, it doesn't mean I said it's excusable
Honestly, I was _so_ shocked at the parts he transformed FeirceTeeth into ClearSight, I knew he's a messed up dragon already but that part honestly drew it for me.
I'll even go to say I got even more scared of him, though him enchanting himself with animus magic detection for Anemone scared me already
@@laikeree_4213 He reminds me of how I imagined Luke Skywalker would be like if he became a Sith.
@@VictorbrineSC he actually literally has Hitler's back story, his dad was Jewish and he abused his mom, so we vowed to kill all Jews, swap Jewish for icewings and bam, you get Darkstalker.
Fun fact: some of dark stalker's line are from tui's toxic ex. Some of there lines are the EXACT SAME!
Darkstalker is confirmed to be based on her Ex from when she was 14 so that wouldn't surprise me lol
@@5rcane lol i hate dark stalker i wouldn't hate him as much if all of his fans weren't trying justify his actions
@@5rcane That makes it more understandable why she doesn't want to do anything involving him coming back another time.
@@magpieloaf8214 oh god ikr? There are characters that have it worse than him but he gets all the sympathy, just pitiful
@@thenyan3095 yeah like bro he manipulated everyone around him and still just a baby bean to you?
Imagine Darkstalkers reaction if he heard that his wife became a godess on another continent
A mixture of pride, anger, and confusion probably.
his reaction probably: Good for her, but how and HOW COME SHE GOT TO BE A GODESS AND I HAD TO BE DOOMED TO A 200000 YEAR LONG SLUMBER?! honestly unfair if I do say so myself
Now I’m thinking what would have happened if the lost continent arc happened just a bit earlier-
@@peeperthedroucan9257 he would send a dagger to kill sunstreak, and since sunstreak is already dead, darkstalker would enchant sunstreaks body to be teleported to him so he can personally kill him
and then get mad a clearsight for "cheating" and do the same
@@twinex20 Clear streak is trash. DarkSight for life.
I love darkstalkers villan ark. Its so much more of a realistic villan. I do wish we could get a book that explains more on albatrosses ark and how he was driven insain. The book assumes that its the animus magic that makes you lose you're soul but I think its much deeper then that!
I agree with that, I do wish we had more about albatross!
Oh it wasn't really the power I don't remember the queen of seawings back then but she used him like a tool and If I remember correctly the queen wanted to replace him with fathom because of his younger vision so I believe that what broke him, just replaced and also the trauma of what he accidentally did to his sister ? I dunno if it was his sister
@@rookie4162 They said the book ASSUMES that it was animus magic, not that it WAS animus magic. I totally agree with you as well- Albatross had to have a reason to do that, and what he did to his sister of Fathom taking his place. Maybe he had beef with the queen? Who knows. (I haven't read Darkstalker in a while so I don't remember that well it lol)
@@MambaDraws I think the book says it....queen said something along these lines to albatross "replaced with younger vision"
And something so I believe he snapped from being used and the trauma
i think that animus magic makes you go insane is just a myth. it's the dragons own decisions that turn them evil. like how darkstalker made something for himself so that his soul wouldn't turn evil from him using his animus magic but in darkness of dragons qibli used that enchanted hour glass on darkstalker and that showed that he was almost completely evil even though he made it so that animus magic couldn't hurt his soul. and fathom and turtle both used animus magic but neither of them even started to get even the slightest bit more aggressive to anyone.
to all of the people saying "b-but he was abused!!! it wasnt his fault he lost his mind!!!!!! he was nice before he became evil!!!!!!" i hope you never get emotionally manipulated or abused in your life, because these are the exact things that other people have said about my abuser. stuff like "but he had a rough childhood too, it isnt his fault hes messed up! he was nice to me, you just arent understanding him!"
also "it wasnt his fault he went insane" well guess what? the entire point of his arc is that it WASNT animus magic corrupting his mind, it was his own actions, the actions that caused him to hurt others. and even if he really couldnt control himself, he should still be held accountable for his actions. he manipulated a FOUR YEAR OLD DRAGON, moon, who would probably be around 12 if she were human, and at that time hed been imprisoned in the mountain for 2,000 years. say what you want about him, you cant deny that he is an abuser.
“My parents divorced so I’m allowed to kill people, also I’m Nuerodivergent” -Darkstalker
Also he was around 8-10 when he went into the mountain so it’s not like he was young when he woke up again either.
This first part reminds me of "I'm depressed so I'm aloud to be a complete asshole". Unrelated but I hate that, I hate that. Just no, the fact that you have a mental disorder DOES NOT excuse you bein' a trashbag, hun
People be borderline gaslighting without realizing “you’re just not understanding them”
I heard someone blame moon for his actions
And people don’t notice that his first thought was “sorry, sister. This world is mine now.”
You know who Darkstalker reminds me of? Jason Dean from Heathers. They both have some comedic lines, are manipulative to their love interests, are adored and defended by their fanbase & they both have parental issues.
The only difference is that Darkstalker is a 2000 year old dragon with magical abilities while Jason Dean is just some high schooler.
I was actually planning on doing a Heathers WoF animatic using the final 10 minutes of the show but realized I was getting too out of my depth
Tbh I could feel that vibe from Darkstalker 100%. And that fake Clearsight thing was soooo creepy. "Bring Clearsight back from the dead? No. That'd be weird" -Darkstalker while enchanting the Nightwing he'd given super high rank to become the dragon he loved at just the right moment.
ALSO, watching you paint that _AMAZING PAINTING_ all the way through without saving even one time was wild.
Actually P***philia tho-
I like Darkstalker for how well he was written, not for who he is. I absolutely despise him otherwise. Even right from the beginning when he was hatching everything about him screamed crEEEEPY
He literally hatched and decided to abandon his sister and not help her hatch… definitely creepy from the start
@@5rcane IKR it was so sketchy, I don’t even know how he loves anyone
Tbh that really isn’t creepy too me, because he was a baby and babies are narcissists that only care about themselves they just get taught to grow out of it, it just made me excited to see him unravel
@@lollivee6770 this isn’t just narrasitic stuff, he was RIGHT outta the egg and his sentences, as well as his outright VILLAINOUS wording is NOT NORMAL
@@thenyan3095 Still don’t find it creepy, all I felt when I read that scene was “damn, this is interesting” I didn’t find him even vaguely creepy until I read arc 2 (I read Legends Darkstalker first)
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT! There are literally so many major red flags in Darkstalker's character; he actively *chose* not to help Whiteout hatch out of her egg and attain moonlight powers because he didn't want competition, he manipulates his closest friends and justifies his actions by claiming it's for a "wonderful future," even if they had to be dragged into it kicking and screaming, and during the Jade Mountain Arc, he lied to Moon and the others every chance he got. Not to mention Clearsight, who *loved him,* said she was terrified of him and told Listener the future of Darkstalker *killing her* was a huge possibility. All that on top of Darkstalker initially planning to hurt or even kill Turtle before Turtle casted his invisibility spell, and Stomemover sensing Darkstalker overtaking his talons: "My talons are gone. These are monsters crawling out of the earth and they will rend the sky and crush the wings of small dragons and I can't let them I won't I won't I won't let them be used again!"
Darkstalker doesn't see other dragons as dragons. He is a dangerous narcissist who never would have realized the error in his ways because he believed he did nothing wrong. Killing his father? Justified; after all, Arctic is *soo* much worse. Using his spells to tamper with the minds of others? He just wanted to make them *happy!*
Everyone shits on Darkness of Dragons for it's ending, but I truly think it was the most realistic way to defeat him. He was so inflated by his ego all it took was one strawberry.
“Oh, he was just misunderstood” yeah ok, tell that to the dragon who, like you said, refusing to help his sister _while still in the damn egg_. He was a manipulative narcissist before he was even born. How do people not see this
@@paradoxtatorstudios9681 Misunderstood? By his fanbase, for a good part, 100%, but in the way you think
(Referring to the people saying that, I'm not sure how well-worded that was so just to clarify. He's awful.)
Even though darkstalker didn’t help whiteout out of the egg, tui confirmed she got both moon powers in an interview. Take that magic man
@@Krispykreme15 Can I know where? I think YT kills links but I'd like to watch it
@@Krispykreme15 i mean, it seems like she can tell the future idk about mind reading tho
Honestly this is why sympitizing with abusers is bad. Abuse victims irl recieve comments like "Oh but he was Nice to me!" "Oh but hes such a kind guy he couldnt mean that! Think about how he feels about it!" You are nit allowed to sympitize with wife beaters for example becouse it always ends in "Poor baby" and accusing the victim if lying, blaming said victim for everything possible to make them look bad. Theres. No. Sympathy. For. Those. People. None.
wait- people thought he WASNT abusive?! he straight up lied to Moon and used his magic to manipulate other dragon's thoughts and actions- (i have only watched the first 36 seconds so far but-) WHY DO PEOPLE THINK HES NOT ABUSIVE? also not-fun fact: theres a teacher at my school who thinks love bombing and gas lighting isnt manipulation- when i say i had the BIGGEST FACE PALM- im not joking
Those people are part of the problem and must be under his influence too.
@@mysryuza you're right! we need more of those earrings!
Really hope they shed that idea before it happens to them - or they become the abuser...
@@starcycle4308 same-..
As a manipulator I can confirm gaslighting and love bombing is manipulation. Perhaps the reason they thought love bombing wasnt manipulation stena from the fact many manipulators DONT KNOW that they are manipulative or try to deny it to themselves. Frankly you can only manipulate a gaslighter becouse they wont believe you or want to believe you. And if they are in large numbers your attempts to make them listen are usseless.
After I read Darkstalker a couple months ago, (thank you, person from school who let me borrow theirs), I was able to better understand what happened to Darkstalker to make him the way he is. The thing is, from HATCHING, he could tell his mother was so much better than his father, who loved Whiteout better than him. Arctic only loved Whiteout because she was more IceWing than DS, which is said in the books. One thing I’d like to know furthermore is- why? Whiteout still is part NightWing, so why bother favoring her over his son? Speaking of Whiteout, I notice that DS is actually nicer to Whiteout, although it was horrible, the way he had her watch him tear their father apart. Literally.
It was also stated that Whiteout was favored because it was clear she was part IceWing, unlike with Darkstalker.
whiteout was favored probably just bc she looked more like arctic. people actually do that irl, and since darkstalker looked almost 100% nightwing arctic probably thought foeslayer cheated on him
I was listening to the jade mountain academy audio book of Talons of Power and I realized he also was blame shifting when he says to what he thinks is Clearsight “You should have to help fix this. Do you see what you did when you betrayed me? It’s all gone - our tribe’s power, our kingdom. Our beautiful future. You did this to our whole tribe, not just to me.” when he was the reason the nightwings where afraid of him
I was actually in the process of making a very similar video to this! Honestly it's hard for me to reread the Jade Mountain Ark because seeing his abuse and knowing how many people excuse it makes me feel sick. It's really gross and disturbing to say the least and I really wish we as a fandom didn't excuse his actions as much as we do. This was an amazing video and you made great points ^^
I agree with you that his motive doesn't excuse his actions ok he did bad stuff he was bad but what I want to believe is that he could be better if he lived with loving family because Everytime he came home it was always fights and his father pretty much disliked him I love him as villain but I don't see any reason to justify his actions
Agreed. Re-reading book 6 hits so different once you've read the prequal and realize how similar his interactions with Moon are to those between him and Clearsight. Especially since it's clear that, while he might have had regrets once, he doesn't any more, he's perfected his craft.
Honestly, the only dragon I found he's not toxic to is Whiteout. Now, I haven't read much of DarkStalker yet, since I'm still trying to finish The Poison Jungle, but from what I've decided to read, he's been pretty nice to her. I honestly find it nice that he isn't toxic to everyone, or else that wouldn't turnt out as good got him. But I can get why he's not toxic to her. Your reason and...well, she's his younger sibling. It's basically what I call 'Younger sibling love syndrome'. You see, with most things, older siblings are more loving to younger siblings. Of course, I can't specify this myself, since I have no siblings.
As an older sibling, I might have that... I let my brother off with too much slack (such as that one time he threw a slice of cheese at my face)
dang maybe thats why my sister literally laughs at me when im mad
*what the hell big sis*
also sometimes shes mad at me and when i ask her why, she tell me shes not mad
*yet i am a slight empath*
There's usually two types of older siblings. The bully and the cool one. (These can mix together tho. it all depends)
@@CHARLIE-vv9bq at least i have the cool one… i think
To be fair he's also literally the reason why she's disabled having used his magick to handicap her so she wasn't a threat to his future throne
The last thought Darkstalker had on the night he hatched was “This is my world now.” The madman was evil ever since birth.
Man, before my dad sadly pasted in Nov. I was wanting to get him to read WOF. Because he loved fanstey books, like me. I really miss him, he really loved Star wars and Harry Potter.
I’m sorry for your loss
@@sweetsnowcone Thank you.
im happy no one is talking about how “why are you commenting this it has nothing to do with the video” like i always expect
This is one large reason why I stopped interacting with the wings of Fire community, they legit do not care what a character has done , they will put them in a good light and idolize them, Prince Arctic wasn't even that bad, it's just the fandom doesn't understand icewings, nightwings are probably the worst tribe bc of all the horrid shit they've done but icewings just have a superiority complex (like nightwings btw) and they're painted bad for what reason?? Winter and arctic were literally emotionally neglected and abused all their life and raised AS ICEWINGS ARE, ofc they're gonna be that way, darkstalker had the teachings from his mother. He's done so much bad yet everyone loves him, why man???
Edit: wanna circle back and say icewing behavior isn't condoned at ALL. It just has reason
They defend him as if they could explain how “Oh forcing people to like you against their free will” is ok 💀
@@mysryuza based, artics death must have been absolutely HORRENDOUS for him, even with his wrongdoings, but nahhh let’s sympathise with someone who had 2000+ years to learn his lesson, yet was still evil
yeah theres a commenter that said everything your mad about
You say you're confused about why Darkstalker would let Moon hear the "and you can help me". I think we can boil that down to a tactic of grooming, in this case emotional grooming. "You can help me" in tandem with jokes about how pathetic Moon is, tells Moon that Darkstalker sees her potential. He appeals to her good nature and her desire to have friends. "You can help me" tells Moon she deserves this friendship because she adds value to it.
This could be completely unintended, though.
After reading yellow fangs secret and legends: DarkStalker you can really tell the these books have very similar plot but in different povs one from the mother of the evil son and one from the evil son. And it almost made me be able to think on each of their stories.
When I randomly came across this guy on the villain wiki I was confused because he wanted the best possible future, wanted to help a friend reach their full potential, was friends with the main characters, but he also wanted to destroy a species
If the friend they were talking about was Fathom, then Darkstalker wanted him to reach full potential in the worst way possible. Enchanting his childhood friend/lover to be a wooden carving believing that she was a “problem” in Fathom’s life, try to force Fathom into using his magic again knowing well that he’s traumatized by what happened with his grandfather, hell he was even planning on marrying Fathom off to a NightWing to make him “happy” without Indigo.
I could go on, but I think I’ve said enough. Darkstalker was a horrible friend to his so-called “friends”, and I will stand by that forever.
He wanted the best future for himself ,not for everyone ,only for him.
I didn't read Darkstalker yet, but that makes me want to read it very soon! I really like those formats from you. It always fills me with joy when I see there is another analysis from you!
That really makes always my day
Which is why I dont know why many try to claim he did nothing wrong. Yes he was abuse by his father, the queen his mother should have done better to protect him and scold him when the situation call it but in the end all those decisions that he took what his and his all alone.
He try to wipe out the Icewings, hurt anyone who oppose him and literally the moment he find out another animus he was going to either kill it or make it a prisoner even mentioning wanting to experiment on them.
Yes, I know it wasn't wise for Tui to force him to change but the problem is that Darkstalker was never going to willingly to change. Maybe Tui should have find another way to deal with him but fans should at least realize was never going to agree to change into another dragon.
I never sympathized with Darkstalker, when I read his book (which I read before the second series) I remember specifically being excited to see this character just unravel and I was not disappointed, I remember distinctly feeling bad for everyone accept him until I learned he actually woke up in the second arc, then I felt a little bad. Admittedly I might be a bit biased because I actually really like Arctic and believe he deserved better than what he got but I digress.
Darkstalker is a wonderfully complex and scarily believable villain - an arrogant, entitled, and manipulative person who uses his power to dominate others "for their own good" and uses the wrongs done against him to justify cruelty to innocent third parties. Darkstalker loved other dragons, yes - but he loved them as possessions, not as their own people, and never as much as he loved his own ego.
I've known too many abusers like that. Not monsters who enjoy being evil, but people who would be shocked, horrified, and indignant if you told them their behavior is in fact abusive. And true to form, Darkstalker desperately, falsely, insisted he was a good dragon up until his final moments. But his intentions don't change reality, and his actions were evil.
I always thought this was the obvious point of his story. Apparently not. At times, I wonder if he was written a little TOO well, if so many people in real life fell for his tactics. But that's also why I appreciate him. People need to see evil that isn't a caricature and learn how to recognize it.
I don't understand people who think Darkstalker isn't a villan. He killed at LEAST 14 dragons. (Arctic, glacier and 12 unnamed icewings) He also tried to commit a genocide....
That and casted a spell to force others to like him or be chill with his decisions, cast a plague to a whole race (or tribe) over something most dragons aren’t even alive anymore in current day…. And yet people still defend him
3:07 I always viewed this as he wasn’t at the point of murder yet. Sure he wanted the positive outcomes of murdering indigo but his subconscious might of told him that murder was wrong so he of course finds a work around by putting Indigo in the statue without killing just so no one could say he had murdered her probably it was the label itself instead of the outcome that he didn’t like.
He is the most realistic villian I have ever seen. For a while, I honestly didn't know if he was good or not.
"The darkness is his prey. He chases it back, like a hero."
"It sounds more like he creeps tHrOuGh the dark, LiKe A sTaLkEr!"
reminds me of my brother. Manipulative. Tries to convince me that everyone will hate me if I don't do as he says. Physically abusive. Racist. Downright evil. etc. etc. etc.
He is the only person I truly hate. I don't feel a single ounce of love towards him, and it's all justified.
Oh so like darkstalker and whiteout but they hate each other and are human, now THAT'S spicy!
oh god, I hope you are okay and away from your brother.
@@arianimates79 Not yet, unfortunately. He tried to dox me, by the way.
@@deepshadequeenswrath9340 Oh no. If you ever need to talk about it, I'm always here
@@arianimates79 Thanks
holy shit I just realized Darkstalker is like my father, he uses me and my siblings as tools to make himself look good and disowns us when we don't do our 'job'. Now looking at it more closely I can actually see a bit of myself in the wings of fire series a bit more.
other people: Yay! Darkstalker December!!! Me: Moonwatcher Monday :3
Winter Wednesday.
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Tundra Tuesday.
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Sunny Sunday.
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These theories are always interesting, seeing how you analyze them just interests me
TY💜
I adore darkstalker- but as a villain. People in this fandom need to stop excusing what he did. How about we don’t try to excuse characters who literally committed murder and tried to kill an entire nation because of something they did thousands of years ago. Not to mention manipulation and some other quirky things. Love darkstalker- but you better not excuse him.
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Yo can we talk about how Arctic was gonna make Whiteout marry an Icewing prince? E.g. her *cousin*
Oof
Incest be damed.
I mean, true. He is addicted to not only Clearsight and Moonwatcher, but also his scroll.
I love Darkstalkers charater, Its just SO well writen, and ya I just like his charater. XD just that i guess
Even though he fits the typical “arrogant villain with power who thinks they’re doing the right thing because revenge” trope, I like that the books showed him with actual sorrow for loss and how the arrangement of his actions can snowball into something negative, even with good intentions. Sounds like real life, tbh. He’s enthusiastic and intelligent with pain, sorrow, and had good intentions and was able to relate to others to manipulate, which might be why some may not think he’s evil. (I mean if using powers to force others to like you and waging war on another race over something from thousands of years ago aren’t already red flags, I don’t know what is.)
Darkstalker is a living embodiment of "You all are only alive because I let you be".
I read the legends, and just went SCREW THIS LORE- I was upset at the time don't question me, so I made an AU where Foeslayer and Arctic basically manage to talk the queens out of the war... and arctic opens up to Darkstalker- OMG AHH I am animating this it's final I will explain more in replies if people want
None of that sounds realistic. How would Foeslayer and Artic convince the Queens, specifically Artic's mother, to stop fighting? Why would the Queens listen? Why should Artic, in his mind, open up to Darkstalker?
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 I'm sorry but have you not read the part about how my brain was all over the place at the time? also why comment if you have nothing good to say? anyways... in my Au it's that Foeslayer and Arctic just only feel like themselves or at least aren't as stressed out during some of the banquets (?) such as the banquet that welcomes the Seawings. - I honestly don't where my brain went this AU RN... sorry if I came off as rude at all... it's because I just woke up
I'm really interested in the AU. is it ok if you tell me more about it? it seems very cool!
Sure!
@@peeperthedroucan9257 ok!
You know Darkstalker said "I have only killed ONE dragon and he deserved it"
The icewings solders that died because of his spells.....
The icewing dragonets too
"Darkstalker Isn't just evil, he's abusive."
Oh you don't say?
the fact that i tought Darkstalker acted just like my abusive ex who was 18 at the time and I thought I was Clearsight and I was 13 when I read the book SOOOOO.....
Tui when fans defend the character based off her abuser: 😑
“To bring his long dead girl friend”
-my favorite TH-camr
I never read wing of fire but these videos always spark my interest to the point where i bought some books. :O
As someone who has read all the books, there are some bumpy places, but you wont regret it lol
Thank you! I love sharing my interests with others and am glad to see you share the same ones!!
:3
Welp atlest dark stalker did something nice for his sister whiteout he's a good brother 🖤
11:39 "besides whiteout... and sunny." blister: "what about me????"
i think darkstalker is a cool and thought out villian certainly very interesting reminds me a but of hawkfrost from the warriors series i dont know why he killed arctic i have not read the whole of arc 2 or the legend edition but i still know about peacemaker
1:15 when did that happen? Do you mean the line that fathom says that when he’s with his friends he can forgot about his bad memories? I pretty sure that’s supposed to be him actually healing from his trauma because he has a support System (as in his friends) not darkstalker useing a spell. (If this isn’t what you mean or I am missing something sorry)
I say he's a fool, because he wasn't even able to use his powers well, and he ended up dying despite being able to predict, he wasn't able to realize his mistakes or the contradictions between his wishes and his actions. But this is a losing discussion for anyone, because everyone wants to see him as evil and nothing more.
thank you for this video
Darkstalker is my favorite dragon I think he’s awesome
Now I’m wondering, what would have happened if darkstalker didn’t make bad choices and wasn’t abusive?
i feel like foeslayer's disappearance, caused his fall
The subtitles :dark soccer
neat drawings!
And that's not even mentioning the interaction he had with clear sight after his little petrified display
... Or the thing with winter... Or trying to enchant fathom to get rid of his morals
Finally someone understood this
The fact that you used a mouse to draw that is incredible....
Me waching video's on wings off fire when read none the books lol
I saw this and looked through your channel definitely subbing lol
Ty! 💜✨
I agree with the overall point that Darkstalker is abusive and his actions shouldn't be excused, but I disagree with you saying that he didn't truly believe he was making Clearsight happy and was just completely consciously doing it out of selfish motives - the whole point of his character is that he isn't just manipulating everyone else and laughing internally about how he has them under his thumb, but deceiving himself as well into thinking his actions are good and for selfish reasons, and that makes him a lot more interesting than just a "haha I am manipulating everyone for my selfish goals, such fools" villain, and taking that away from him and saying he doesn't believe any of those excuses takes away the message that people can be abusive while not thinking of themselves as abusive and not letting themselves acknowledge their real motivations. Similarly, based on how he acted towards Turtle (imprisoning him and taking his powers while telling himself how good and noble a dragon he was for not killing him), I imagine the real reason he didn't just kill Indigo is so he could tell himself he wasn't being so bad, he had mercy and spared her life despite her trying to kill him for his powers when they first met, and since he could always bring her back later with a few spells to make her forget what he did to her, it wasn't really the same as killing, he could still see himself as a good dragon.
What do u mean about sunny and whiteout being the smartest dragons in pyrica, like yeah there cool 😎 but not that smart
i mean whiteout is really smart darkstalker says it too that she’ll make really smart observations
hEhEhE first >:3 also thx for ruining my fav dragon (joke lol)
I liked the video 👍
Your content is so cool and your voice is kind of cool to listen too it’s got that thing to it and I love how people talk about things I love.
My abusive boi :3 Great video! (as always :D)
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Ill accept that Darkstalker is evil but ill just say he wasn’t trying to be
The path to hell is paved with good intentions type thing
What program do you use to draw?
Clip Studio Paint
@@5rcane Thanks!
Thank you ,nice to see someone else can see it
How when he did act horrible to do with clearsight and the other dragons he harm
AYO WE CANCELLING DRAGONSBNOW
Darkstalker is homophobic: A thread (1/100)
Saying Darkstalker isn’t evil or abusive is like saying the color red isn’t red. I’m genuinely surprised his fans think he’s a good guy somehow. I’m sure some of it might come from personal stuff for a lot of people, but still, *Darkstalker is not good.*
I defenitly agree with you
I get hes tuis ex as a dragon but do understand this darkstalker was abused and used as a tool and he didnt want the same for his sister but sadly artic made darkstalker think that way like it was normal and darkstalker didnt even notice mabye if artic was a better father darkstalker might have been 85% or 100% less abusive
Love the video
But really, no spoiler warning
The people that go around saying things like how nice and charming Darkstalker is aren’t wrong. That’s the whole point of his character, is it not, charming to draw others in, therefore making it a struggle to get out.
fyi- darkstalker has pale blue eyes
man why is it the evil ones who have the coolest powers and have AMAZING designs no offence peril please dont kill me
I disagreee strongly and dont argue with me its called a opion also if darkstalker is based on tuis abusive bf then tui dud a bad job on that
and he ain't purple-
Everyone coming here to rant about their darkstalker hate even though he was alright until foeslayer got kidnapped.
Dark stalker is actually based off of tui’s ex boyfriend
Stop shipping Darkstalker and Clearsight. Darkstalker is based on Tuis ex boyfriend and Tui was Clearsight. Stop shipping and supporting an toxic abusive relationship Tui had expericed when she was 16 years old 😢😢😢😢
Is just wrong
Darkstalker is the BEST villain in all of Wings of Fire, and possibly in any form of media ever, and this is why I think that. First of all, he wasn’t trying to be evil. He just wanted the best for Pyrrhia. Second of all, he is VERY convincing and manipulative. Moon genuinely thought he wasn’t evil. Even Clearsight, who could see EVERY future didn’t think he was evil until the very end. She STILL loved him when she knew how evil he was. Sure, she wore that earring that prevented her from seeing the bad futures but even after she took it off she didn’t want to think Darkstalker was evil. The fandom cannot see that he is evil, AT ALL. I won’t lie, even I though his actions were justified for a while. Third, his end was VERY ironic. People hate on it because it went against the main lesson that Arc 2 was teaching and turned him into a different character. They blame Peacemaker because he used to be Darkstalker, but it wasn’t his fault at all. Also, the Arc didn’t teach you that Animus magic was bad, it just taught you that you should be careful with it. When Kinkajou turned him into Peacemaker, she was completely justified. People also say that it affected his free will, but it didn’t. He doesn’t remember being Darkstalker at all. And anyway, Darkstalker was going to completely destroy any form of free will that other dragons could ever have, so wouldn’t it be better if HIS free will was affected? People just don’t like to think he was evil, because of how much they loved him. Sorry for the long comment, it’s just that Darkstalker’s character is VERY complicated, and in fact, it’s probably dozens of times more complicated than I made it out to be!
I’m not trying to be mean but they look a little derpy.
No one is actually evil, it's there decisions. Like maybe for example: a robber steals money from a bank, but gives it to homeless ppl. Good or evil? None. Bc there is no evil! I honestly just think that DarkStalker is just misunderstood by many.
You have to remember he wanted to commit a genocide because of a vendetta from over 2,000 years ago! Even the soul reader said his soul was gone, so no arguing with that…..
Some people are evil. They're rare, but they absolutely exist, and Darkstalker would be one of them.
I felt like he was
I disagree strongly. my pov: he's just traumatized. i mean, did you hear how his father treated him? his parents were always fighting, his sister was freaky, his father was horrible to him, the queen tried to take control him, and so fourth. i feel much symathy toward him, and i would never trash talk him. NOT TO MENTION HIS GF TRAPPED HIM IN A MOUNTAIN FOR 2000 YEARS!
Trauma does not justify abuse. You can still be traumatized and abusive.His trauma might have affected him but that shouldn't matter.He tried killing an entire tribe.Also that spell he tried putting on fathom.Killing his dad in the most gruesome way possible in front of dragonets.He is evil.
@@Asmanidoesnotexist2 I suppose you could be right. But going into winter's mind made me completely change how I thought about IceWings. I mean, all the tribes think they are better than others but the IceWings seem to have such Superiority... And the thing about the YOU CAN ONLY USE YOUR ANIMUS MAGIC ONCE just makes me dispise IceWings like Frozen gem does Peacemaker... There are many other reasons for my opinion that I cannot think of atm so I may seen unreasonable... BUT TO THINK THE WHOLE REASON OF THE 2000 YEAR WAR BETWEEN ICE WINGS AND NIGHT WINGS WAS JUST BECAUSE MISS ICY QUEEN FACE OVER HERE THOUGHT THAT FOESLAYER /made/ ARCTIC HAVE DRAGONETS WITH HER? Ice wings are unreasonable, selfish, (etc) and need to start over.
@@phantomshade_wcue7699 read book 14, bro :>
@@whimsiiwiz I read all the books 2 times over and you're suggesting I read one of my least favorites, bro😼
@@phantomshade_wcue7699 bruh
Then you didn't finish it🤚
Darkstalker was bad but I feel a little bad for him also Clearsight is the worst wings of fire character nothing could change my mind
Why is she the worst
@@crystalplayz3514 The reason why I think she is the worst because she hurt him in a big way by making him hate his best friend thinking it was his fault and not hers also she never broke up with him trapped him suffering in a mountain for 2000 years and mated with so many dragons she created 2 or maybe 3 different tribes but I would like to hear how you can defend her?
@@saharathesandwing1232 Didn't her spouses are die before she moved on? I could be wrong.
Also, she trapped him so that he, a manipulative and dangerous narcissist, wouldn't become the dictator of hundreds of dragons and possibly try to wipe out an entire culture.
I haven't read this book in a while, I'm not sure on the other points.
@@grief860 I disagree
@@saharathesandwing1232 clearsight can see every future she new he would do really really bad things so she stopped him she did nothing wrong stop sympathizing with the abuser and feel bad for the abused
No he is not abusive of his father is
He’s abusive to Clearsight and Fathom, or toxic is a better word. He doesn’t respect Clearsight’s actual thoughts on him and his magic so he broke her promise about not using his powers on her, he doesn’t like the fact that Fathom is being guarded away from his powers so he tries to manipulate him onto using them when Fathom feels a little more safer without doing any magic after experiencing trauma from the Royal Massacre. He was also kinda born evil?
Dude literally came out of the egg thinking “This world is mine.”
He is not abusive/entirely evil/cold heated/crazy
He’s just a misunderstood young child who was tortured
All villains have a normal back story there’s alway the one person who makes the villian who they are
So In conclusion darkstalker isn’t the main villian it would be his Father(abuses him and hates him,without a fathers love one can be hurt by what his father says as he would try his best to gain his love) and queen diamond(took his Mother) it’s also because his whole life was basically arguing,he also had to protect his Sister from what his parents say
With parents who always fight
One would turn to the dark path in hopes to find attention and would not have anyone to guide them to the light path,thus when clear sight came she was too late as he was already walking down the path set by fate
I'm sorry but he murdered people, attempted genocide and was a toxic boyfriend
@@barniiwoop
It's ok a lot of people misunderstood him
So it's ok of people actually think he's the villain when he's not
He's like the protagonist
His father would be the main villain
But I guess it would probably be that no one guided him on his choices
@@Void_Fang I know this was 2 months ago but the book is titled “Darkstalker,” who is the main antagonist in the Jade Mountain Prophecy and pretty much in his own book as it came out after Book 9 or 8. He might’ve been a troubled child but he shouldn’t have treated other dragons how he did.
@@Littlefox1213
But would he know it was wrong?
Lol I had a bad dad too and I don't commit g●nocide, ab●se my gf or SA people
who tf is darkstalker
Read wings of fire it’s a great book series! Then you’ll know
Tbh I don’t think dark stalker is that evil I think it was just his magic
He literally enchanted multiple objects to protect his soul from his magic. It was his actions that made him evil, not the magic.
I know that! My brain won’t agree with me tho
Qibli and Turtle got it right. The magic does not make you lose your soul or turn evil; It's what you do with it. He literally made a talisman to dispell the myth and when that was burned, he made like 3 different things to protect his soul. It didn't work because the magic isn't the problem, its just his actions
i'm pretty sure it was even stated by indigo at the end of darkstalker: legends that it wasn't the magic that made them evil, but what they did with it
Bro why everyone writing paragraphs of their Darkstalker research to me?
Darkstalker was never abusive you're just fueling your own ideology with this video. And I could try to argue with anyone who's going to comment on this but you know what I know there's no convincing you people you're already all set in your own ways because you think he's evil and there is no other way but that's simply not the case so I'm just going to dislike you move on and simply tell you that you're wrong and that I hope one day you'll be able to realize that but you probably won't. If anything this video is evil not him.
why do you talk like the joker
@@nekophysics4356 I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. But okay.
@@GundamKType also did you even like. Watch the video. rogan gives some very reasonable evidence as to why he believes darkstalker is abusive. darkstalker was literally based on one of tuis abusive exes. he was explicitly written to be abusive, right down to the way he manipulated moon.
@@nekophysics4356 why am I not surprised a woman is demonizing her ex.
What she saying makes no sense and it's wrong, he's not abusive like I said I'm not going to try and argue with this with you there's no reason to you're wrong but there's no way I'm going to convince you of that because you're too set in your ways so just leave me the hell alone I put in my two cents worth you don't need to put in yours if you feel like it you do you don't have to address it with me.