If MVPs Were Given to the BEST Player... (1990s)

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  • The NBA gives its MVP awards to players who meet certain criterias... but what if the MVP was just given to the best player? We're looking at who would win it in those cases from the 1990s.
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  • @jonnyarnett
    @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    Which 90s legend deserved more MVPs than he actually got?
    2010s video coming soon...

    • @kizvy
      @kizvy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Jordan.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Jordan no doubt

    • @_1luljayyy
      @_1luljayyy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Jordan should have 10

    • @alapandas3457
      @alapandas3457 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Jonny bro can you please summarise at the end the number of MVPs the stars like MJ, Kobe etc would have at the end of the video series, as per your new and much improved analysis and guidelines?
      Thanks!

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Thats a great idea! I forgot I told someone I would put a summary at the end of this video too. I'm way too forgetful...
      I'll try to make sure I start including more summaries/recaps 👍

  • @KleinpeterHank
    @KleinpeterHank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1862

    This Jordan guy seems pretty good.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Harrison Kleinpeter not bad i guess

    • @jaredbowen3527
      @jaredbowen3527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      @Shadow2Dubz your such an idiot
      This dude "jordan" doesnt even exist

    • @Jayman340
      @Jayman340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Shadow2Dubz Bruh Jordan is worse then that garbage Kobe dude like OMFG both of them are dog

    • @felipebrunetta2106
      @felipebrunetta2106 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      He was a decent shooter, but not a great athlete and just a decent defender

    • @Jayman340
      @Jayman340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Eu Sou Nah the Jordan dude literally was the worst player ever

  • @anf9311
    @anf9311 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1544

    Jonny: Karl Malone keeps his award.
    MJ: I took it personal.

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +289

      anf9311 MJ about to drop 50 on my head. Lol

    • @pittaaaabread
      @pittaaaabread 3 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      @@jonnyarnett Anyone:
      Literally anyone ever: *doesn't send michael jordan a christmas card*
      MJ: I had to give him 50 you know?

    • @michaelgray1803
      @michaelgray1803 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Never

    • @Superputazo23
      @Superputazo23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Rodzilla MJ knows He's better than Gary. Gary wore Jordans... Enough said

    • @mve5758
      @mve5758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Superputazo23 Payton was right though when he claimed he seriously slowed down MJ. He still averaged over 23 points, but on just 35.7% from the field.

  • @PhillipCummingsUSA
    @PhillipCummingsUSA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1965

    MJ "I'm gonna go play baseball so that everyone else can have a chance"

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      facts haha

    • @-sorta
      @-sorta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      he got bored it was too ez

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      500 Subscribers with 1 video frrr

    • @helloiamgood942
      @helloiamgood942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Nah he just got banned coa he smoked too much. Lest be honest, how would get bored of dominating legends?

    • @omni_king2317
      @omni_king2317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Facts

  • @nicomagayanes991
    @nicomagayanes991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +451

    MJ: “So you think Malone is the 1997 Season MVP? Ok fine. Imma show you he’s not.”

    • @disco4255
      @disco4255 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The thing is mj is still the actual mvp if you look at advanced stats beyond just per. He led that season in win shares, win shares per/48, bpm and vorp

    • @MortanAMrk
      @MortanAMrk ปีที่แล้ว

      Karl Malone sweep

    • @myerscumsillefamily252
      @myerscumsillefamily252 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MortanAMrk yes by getting some nice dimes by top 5 passer oat stockton

    • @Hazz1405
      @Hazz1405 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@disco4255I disagree with BOTH of Malone MVPs aswell. I honestly think both 97 and 98 should go to Jordan.
      Especially 98. Why? Because MJ was doing this with NO ALL STAR on his team for 97 or 98. Pippen wasnt reliable in the regular season during the end of his bulls career. In 98 he missed half of the season. The double teams and triple teams MJ was facing was a joke. The man was getting DOUBLED OFF THE BALL. so just looking at stats with almost no context is horrible. If you asked people around the world at the time who was better MJ or Malone it quite frankly isn't Close. Malone had a Superstar as his 2nd best player and one of the best passers ever feeding him the ball

  • @casbra8191
    @casbra8191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1321

    idea for a video:
    "what if the mvp was given after the post-season"

    • @Splackavellie85
      @Splackavellie85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +212

      Then Giannis will likely never win one

    • @egg8133
      @egg8133 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      IchLiebeKuchen rf4e that’s basically the fmvp

    • @Nick-sr4fe
      @Nick-sr4fe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      Giannis wouldn’t have one Steve Nash wouldn’t have 2. Kawhi would have an MVP. Russ wouldn’t have one. Honestly I wish the MVP was in the post season a bit.

    • @Splackavellie85
      @Splackavellie85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Fool’s Gaming You do know there’s more to the post season than just the Finals, don’t you?

    • @slaimanalharbi5972
      @slaimanalharbi5972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      Bron and mj would win pretty much every season

  • @ChiseledAdonis
    @ChiseledAdonis ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Damn ... Combine this video with the 80s & Jordan gets 7 STRAIGHT MVPS + 96 when he returns... That's crazy
    He was on a different level

    • @Hazz1405
      @Hazz1405 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yh his prime is the best ever and it's not close.
      Anyways I disagree with BOTH of Malone MVPs. I honestly think it should go to Jordan. Especially 98. Why? Because MJ was doing this with NO ALL STAR on his team for 97 or 98. Pippen wasnt reliable in the regular season during the end of his bulls career. In 98 he missed half of the season. The double teams and triple teams MJ was facing was a joke. The man was getting DOUBLED OFF THE BALL. so just looking at stats with almost no context is horrible. If you asked people around the world at the time who was better MJ or Malone it quite frankly isn't Close. Malone had a Superstar as his 2nd best player feeding him the ball

  • @hendrygiandynantheo2324
    @hendrygiandynantheo2324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +367

    Breaking news: MJ plans to return one more time to prove a youtuber wrong.

    • @armandodelossantos736
      @armandodelossantos736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jordan has 1 playoff win his entire career without Pippen.

    • @JerrymeTubeHD
      @JerrymeTubeHD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@armandodelossantos736 Who the f*ck asked?

    • @n1ck67
      @n1ck67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Armando De Los Santos Um ok? That’s prolly cuz pippen was on his team bud?

    • @serhattanlr6957
      @serhattanlr6957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@armandodelossantos736 that was the most retarded thing I ve ever heard..

    • @jachcoff
      @jachcoff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      mj never takes things personally tho

  • @MindfulAttraction2.0
    @MindfulAttraction2.0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +286

    3:27 those had to be the fattest ankles I've ever seen in my life

  • @MasterCombatant
    @MasterCombatant 3 ปีที่แล้ว +628

    I’m glad that you turned this into the a series plus you’re giving each player the credit they deserve

    • @hmu05366
      @hmu05366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      💯 Alex ferguson

    • @scrungy3540
      @scrungy3540 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Malone was good but he don't deserve anyone's respect, remember that

    • @MasterCombatant
      @MasterCombatant 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scrungy Bingus accept him. I don’t give respect to any grown man who sleeps with 13 year old girls. If I was her dad, I would be pissed the fuck off. I know I said “giving them the credit they deserve,” but I didn’t mean it like that because he’s gonna go out as one of the most hated players of all time

    • @369pendulum
      @369pendulum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@scrungy3540 This is about basketball & nothing else

    • @tdl8472
      @tdl8472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Scrungy Bingus idc what the allegations were. I respect him as a basketball player. Anyone using personal biases to decide their ranking on a player is a snowflake ❄️. He’s a ball player, a great one. I’ll put some respect on his name when referring to basketball

  • @teddyvanhalen814
    @teddyvanhalen814 3 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    People forget how good The Admiral was. People see those ‘95 Dream Shake highlights and think Robinson was a joke. But he had a few MVP caliber seasons during this time.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      David Robinson was a one of a kind type of player, such a great guy too, I might make a video on how good The Admiral was soon

    • @ecnumber1fan
      @ecnumber1fan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      As a Rockets fan I would have to agree with you. The Admiral was also a pretty classy guy as well.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ecnumber1fan such a beast

    • @aymankhali904
      @aymankhali904 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Damn all I saw was him getting dunked on or schooled

    • @jbailey690
      @jbailey690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@aymankhali904 Damn all I saw was him dunking on and schooling people. ( In the video and because I was actually watching during that Era )

  • @redpharaoh4527
    @redpharaoh4527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    Hey man, coming from someone who just came into basketball a year or so ago and wants to know basketball knowledge about everything, your videos are amazing with awesome editing. Keep up the great vids! 👍

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Thanks, I appreciate that, and welcome to the Basketball community!

    • @allanhouston6759
      @allanhouston6759 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonnyarnett Shaquille O"Neal was in his Prime from 1994/95 to 2002/03.

    • @boondockbwoy14
      @boondockbwoy14 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who is your choice of GOAT

    • @redpharaoh4527
      @redpharaoh4527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DeeJay Honestly, my choice is Larry Bird, but the real choice is Michael Jordan. Bird’s my favorite player and probably could have been the goat if he wasn’t injured like he was. Who’s yours?

    • @Jearbearjenkins
      @Jearbearjenkins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@redpharaoh4527 Hey man. Glad to see you’re into Basketball. Been 9 months so you’ve probably seen way more facts. What team do you support?

  • @zappa3837
    @zappa3837 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Definitely my new go-to NBA channel. Checks all the right boxes (compelling topics and analysis, passion, eloquence, concision, relevant background footage instead of the speaker, solid voice, and no annoyingly loud background music).

    • @anthonyurso3554
      @anthonyurso3554 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea this guy is really good

  • @BeachPleased
    @BeachPleased 3 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    8:47 in 1997 Karl Malone won the MVP and Michael Jordan took it personally.
    Jonny knows if he didn't Briefly explain why, MJ will took this video Personally. LOLOLOL

    • @mattb1446
      @mattb1446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah thats what made him so great. Csuse he cane back with a vendetta

    • @doodlebob2923
      @doodlebob2923 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He’s still gonna take it personally but he’ll only drop 40

  • @gangstadu94
    @gangstadu94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    before his 1st retirement, MJ had all these crazy numbers, he dominated on both sides of the court, plus when playoff time came he gave you more., shooting mode than 50% of the court for a guard is just incredible. when he came back he was no longer the same player , he had lost a big part of his athleticism but he killed with the fade away

    • @AidenB1010
      @AidenB1010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      GRAMAR

    • @sowmsxa301
      @sowmsxa301 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Aiden Billiu spelling

    • @sukulbembe4657
      @sukulbembe4657 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sowmsxa301 thanks

    • @ssj4goku18825theepic
      @ssj4goku18825theepic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How so? Being able to win mvp and finals mvp and a big season in 96 if anything showed he was still the same

    • @ssj4goku18825theepic
      @ssj4goku18825theepic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @A yeah I can see that he was super explosive in his prime peak it def took its toll no wonder he was also sitting down in minutes

  • @doomerconsumer
    @doomerconsumer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    everytime i learn something new about MJ (the GOAT) i’m even more shocked and the distance between him & other greats increases. he’s basically basketball Jesus.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      pretty much

    • @Hive5ive
      @Hive5ive 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Allen Iverson calls him black jesus for a reason.

    • @LarryGillis
      @LarryGillis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      nah bro simple marketing and league rule reasearch shows any super star nowaday would be equal or just below jordan. In jordan era, zone didnt exist, around when Kobe and shaq won too easy zone was needed cause shaq went crazy. Jordan is kobe without rules helping their style.

    • @doomerconsumer
      @doomerconsumer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Michael Harkin uh no. in Jordan’s era, the league had hand checking, less fouls called, and less shots taken overall, yet he scored more than most stars today & was often the league’s best defender. plenty of players are marketed today, even more after Jordan made being a star more popular than anyone before him. zone defense being played more often in the 2000s/2010s only hurts your argument.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      L.A. Gonzalez lmao fr

  • @iamgaijin88
    @iamgaijin88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    *ahhh the 1997 mvp... choked so hard in that series*
    _“the mailman doesn't deliver on sunday”_

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      such great trash talk lmao

    • @Life_Basketball
      @Life_Basketball 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha, people are starting to sleep on that moment

    • @armandodelossantos736
      @armandodelossantos736 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was one of the worst refereed series in NBA history.

    • @stayofftheweeeeeeed7249
      @stayofftheweeeeeeed7249 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still got 25 and 10

    • @death2denemy
      @death2denemy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always wondered how that series would have turned out if karl malone just had a consistent/reliable 2nd scorer.. He already had stockton, u couldnt ask for a better floor general than that.. Now, imagine if there was a reliable/all star caliber 2nd scoring threat.. I bet it would have been more interesting than it already was..

  • @Jeffway24
    @Jeffway24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Loving the series bro!

  • @pranav8830
    @pranav8830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Somebody : poured milk before the cereal
    MJ : that's when it became personal for me

  • @WavyJazzyBanks
    @WavyJazzyBanks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Good vid. Always on point, my guy, ofc we could split a few hairs. Love the "good story" element to MVP considerations too: MJ in '98 is like a fairy tale. The Last Dance. The Last Shot. Went to my first NBA game that year: MJ at the AlamoDome. The shuttering and flaahing of cameras each time he shot a free throw...amazing atmosphere

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      its an experience like no other that's for sure

  • @Ivander85
    @Ivander85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was a huge fan of David Robinson growing up and I feel like a lot of people remember him as the guy who was destroyed by Hakeem after winning MVP and not getting it done as the go-to-guy and needing Tim Duncan to win a ring. But Robinson never had a true co-star until Duncan was drafted, and David was 32 by then. It's very rare for a franchise type of player to lead a team to a title as the sole star, like Hakeem in 1994 or Dirk in 2011. This video really does the Admiral justice, he was among the best from '89-'96.

    • @thecensoredmuscle563
      @thecensoredmuscle563 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Destroyed"? Only reason it didn't go 7 games was because Horry being the clutch playoff legend he is, hitting game winners for Houston. It was Robinson vs Hakeem, Clyde Drexler (an nba legend), Kenny the jet, Robert Horry going ham late in the games, same with Cassel.
      Hakeem did not win as the sole star, dude played with another legend and 2 extra playoff legends.

  • @MrE_
    @MrE_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    New 90s mvps:
    MJ: 5 mvps
    Karl Malone: 2 mvps
    Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem: 1 mvp

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I could see that maybe, lowkey Jordan still deserves more

    • @mixedpleasure4324
      @mixedpleasure4324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      and remember Mj should have won some more in the 80s he only won one but could easily have won 2-3 more

    • @nostalgicbliss5547
      @nostalgicbliss5547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mixedpleasure4324 The year MJ won defensive player of the year, the award should have gone to Hakeem Olajuwon. Jordan was a great defensive guard, but Hakeem was monstrous that season on defense. And a great defensive center is always more valuable than a great defensive guard.

    • @mixedpleasure4324
      @mixedpleasure4324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@nostalgicbliss5547 Mj in 87 and 88 had back to back seasons with over 200 steals and 100 blocks as the only player ever to do it twice only Hakeem and pippen has done it one time each Mj should have won back to back dpoy and back to back mvps

    • @armandodelossantos736
      @armandodelossantos736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mixedpleasure4324 Olajuwon recorded at least 100 steals and at least 200 blocks for his first 12 seasons

  • @boostae7480
    @boostae7480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    I can’t wait for the 2010s video, nice vid as always Jonny.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      facts, Lebron deserves all the MVPs in that decade though idc what anyone says

    • @pranksterboy8371
      @pranksterboy8371 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      InThePaint even In 2019 and 2016?

    • @benstern5112
      @benstern5112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      InThePaint not 2016 and 2019

    • @timmyg831
      @timmyg831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You mean the no-touch defense, 3 point shooting, no dominant center decade?

    • @pranksterboy8371
      @pranksterboy8371 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      TimmyK28just stop okay. Three point shooting is apart of basketball now so because it’s not mid range or layups this was a great decade

  • @MichaelCorleone_
    @MichaelCorleone_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    In 97 Malone averaged, 2.2 less points, 4.0 more rebounds, 0.2 more assists, 7% higher FG%, 2.4% higher TS%, and like you said, less minutes.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      absolute baller Malone is

    • @zaggaona
      @zaggaona 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The mailman was an absolute beast.. the whole jazz team definitely is missing a dynasty.. im from Chicago so i say it without any bitterness

    • @mattb1446
      @mattb1446 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whats that have to do with it. Its not best player of the year. Its most valuable player award. Big difference

    • @wanilimbe
      @wanilimbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Matt B If it’s most valuable player like you said, Hakeem would win it from 1990-1995

    • @zaggaona
      @zaggaona 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wanilimbe how? He didnt get championships and he didnt have enough stats to justify it? 2 championship.

  • @MDM679
    @MDM679 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great series as always. Your channel is by far my favorite one among the basketball channels across the youtube.

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dang, that means a lot! thanks for supporting my channel as always. Glad to have you.

  • @borugbarag5754
    @borugbarag5754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    MJ on early 90's is freakin scary.

    • @bloody_outlaw8000
      @bloody_outlaw8000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      late 80s is even scarier

    • @borugbarag5754
      @borugbarag5754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@bloody_outlaw8000 i'd still pref the 91 92 MJ. He has more muscle at that time compare to his early season.

    • @nostalgicbliss5547
      @nostalgicbliss5547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      88-93 MJ were the best prime years of a basketball player ever!! He peaked in 91.

    • @borugbarag5754
      @borugbarag5754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nostalgicbliss5547 man, that MJ has 100 perfct stats on an nba game.

    • @slomofome14
      @slomofome14 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Borug Barag I always put 91 MJ on my created teams, I usually have him score more than my own created guy lol

  • @joaquintenedora-forte7446
    @joaquintenedora-forte7446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Please do the 80's, Pretty Please...

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      I will! I've got a TON of requests for the 2010s, so I'll probably do that one first, but I do the 80s after that.

    • @joaquintenedora-forte7446
      @joaquintenedora-forte7446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jonnyarnett I was the kid of the 2000's born at the end of the century. but me and my dad would watch old games as in 1980s and I really love Magic and Bird. However, Kobe is my favorite player and the day he died was one of the worst days of my life. As a life long Laker fan I appreciate what you do.

  • @spencer4359
    @spencer4359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So happy i found this channel! I miss 90’s NBA so much

  • @Maximillian200HP
    @Maximillian200HP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The Last Dance "Took it personally" reference was a gem! GJ, Jonny!

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lmao fr, MJ prob took this video personally lol

  • @dvon1097
    @dvon1097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is a damn good list. I cant argue anything although MJ showed Malone who the real best player is twice in a row and Hakeem showed DRob the same thing in 1995

  • @lovindc2004
    @lovindc2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Another great video Mr. Arnett. I'm really enjoying these MVP what if videos. Please keep them coming. Thanks.

  • @Lanse1984
    @Lanse1984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Moral of the story is. Jordan was on another level entirely in a league of legends

  • @dtaybloom9472
    @dtaybloom9472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Bro you're a great youtuber keep on doing what you're doing

  • @ConnectedSims23
    @ConnectedSims23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome series, man. You have earned a new subscriber. Please do the 1980s and 2010s!

  • @catherinelynnfraser2001
    @catherinelynnfraser2001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the series...don’t always agree with you but this is sweet. Thank you😘

  • @leoncogaming
    @leoncogaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I AGREE with your changes, GREAT analysis!

  • @iEliTePg
    @iEliTePg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! In my opinion, you should put the winner and runner up stat lines side by side every time for better comprehension. And also at the end of the video; maybe put a chart showing a final list of who won the award vs who “should’ve”’ won the award.
    Definitely subscribing!

  • @Life_Basketball
    @Life_Basketball 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Should've been more MJ

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Daniel Johnson you could certainly make that argument. He’s not done though. He was a beast in the 2nd half of the 80s too.

    • @Life_Basketball
      @Life_Basketball 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@jonnyarnett that's true, just thought he should've had Malone's best player in 97 and 98. Michael was a tad bit slower in 97 and 98 but was way more skilled by that point.

    • @kfl16
      @kfl16 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Daniel Johnson mj= goat

    • @Life_Basketball
      @Life_Basketball 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah,Le bron ain't got shit on him

    • @kfl16
      @kfl16 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Daniel Johnson facts

  • @nicklulgjuraj2774
    @nicklulgjuraj2774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great vid bro keep it up

  • @GtheGreat1
    @GtheGreat1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    Jordan should have 7 mvps in the 90's

    • @meenamjah
      @meenamjah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      it's absurd that he didn't win 9 straight or whatever.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@meenamjah facts, its absurd Lebron doesn't have more also though

    • @kingdinodragonite3470
      @kingdinodragonite3470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@inthepaint2907 nah. KD was better in 2014. Curry was better in 2016. In 2017, even with statpads, Westbrook/Harden has better numbers than Lebron. 2018 is definitely Harden in the regular season. 2019, Harden and Giannis are definitely better.
      Lebron "Best Player": 2009-2013, 2015
      Lebron with "MVP formula": 2009,2010,2012,2013.
      It's fair. Keep sucking Lebron though.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      King Dino Dragonite thanks for the feedback 😁😁

    • @wanilimbe
      @wanilimbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The fact that LeBron doesn’t have one in 2018 is absurd

  • @shawn17g
    @shawn17g 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's crazy how mj before his 1st retirement has better efficiency than the centers

  • @Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie
    @Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    2010s? 80s?

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      They're coming!

    • @Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie
      @Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Jonny Arnett looking forward to those then

    • @brianmontgomery580
      @brianmontgomery580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jonnyarnett you gonna do the 70s

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Elmo Chops I’m pretty sure I will. Based on how much people are enjoying the series, I’ll probably do as many as I can tbh. They’re fun for me to write too.

    • @MrE_
      @MrE_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonnyarnett YESSSSS!

  • @Michael30786
    @Michael30786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was great Content Jonny Great Work 👍👍

  • @anirudhkrishnan2071
    @anirudhkrishnan2071 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved this video, keep them coming

  • @IAmRyan25
    @IAmRyan25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Clyde is my guy, but he was NEVER an 'elite' shooter.

  • @cashmoneysniper4166
    @cashmoneysniper4166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    YES!!!!! I haven't been this happy for a video😂

  • @Coach_Ax
    @Coach_Ax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This entire series is amazing bro keep up the good work

  • @ScottParisi
    @ScottParisi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video. Really enjoy this series.

  • @AlstonMurray2005
    @AlstonMurray2005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hakeem In 94, in my opinion had the greatest season all time. Won DYOP, MVP, won the Finals and Finals MVP. He was the best defender without question that season, and took full advantage of Jordan not playing that year. Man I wish I could've saw him and MJ play in the finals

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      would've been a series like no other

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      James Broms well said

    • @mj23goat3
      @mj23goat3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inthepaint2907 The Bulls would've punked the Rockets handily.

  • @KingDreams
    @KingDreams 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video was very interesting loved this video finally recommended me a good one plus one sub

  • @MAEDtravel
    @MAEDtravel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Jonny excellent as usual.
    Looking forward your next on the 80'

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he's doing the 2010s next but will do the 80's after that

  • @johnedward5442
    @johnedward5442 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did your research bro! Thanks! Really enjoyed the video!

  • @chanendlerbong
    @chanendlerbong 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    1990-1993 and 1996-1998 is MJ for these who dont know and for hardcore Lebron fans

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      well Lebron didn't even play then so idk what your point is

    • @elijahruderman
      @elijahruderman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Dude this is only talking about the regular season.

    • @benjaminan1183
      @benjaminan1183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      1993 should go to Hakeem.

    • @stealthiscool
      @stealthiscool 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@benjaminan1183 No chance

    • @benjaminan1183
      @benjaminan1183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@stealthiscool Yes chance

  • @camsochill4825
    @camsochill4825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Bron sexuals:MJ can’t shoot

    • @camsochill4825
      @camsochill4825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Jelly Bean yo you right I respect bron as the second greatest player but bron fans be delusional I swear

    • @stephencruize9367
      @stephencruize9367 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You call Lebron fans delusional then place him second all time? Hmm

    • @dudelitte7817
      @dudelitte7817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Stephen Cruize beacuse Lebron is the 2nd greatest of all time

    • @dudelitte7817
      @dudelitte7817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jelly Bean hey man that’s your opinion not mine good bye sir

    • @MrE_
      @MrE_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Jelly Bean anyone who says "he *will never* beat _______" is delusional. You are idolizing the past as if no one can ever be greater lol

  • @enochp.3547
    @enochp.3547 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel is the most important one on TH-cam. Keep them coming

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Enoch P. one of the greatest channels no doubt

  • @ShniitSchneyder
    @ShniitSchneyder 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    fantastic new series, thanks ma man!

  • @jaspermccuaig5046
    @jaspermccuaig5046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love this series so much

  • @titoaskeladd2639
    @titoaskeladd2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Absolutely great and original series at that. Kudos!!! 🙌

  • @charlesking678
    @charlesking678 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video! Good to see the award given based on merit, not team success and a good story. Good list.

  • @halam899live8
    @halam899live8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video today keep it up your doing amazing job.

  • @GANGLYMAN117
    @GANGLYMAN117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    4:07 pretty much sums up MJ in one clip. Just put 6 rings on his hand and you're good to go.

  • @momoneylessproblems9183
    @momoneylessproblems9183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    MJ: When a shooting guard averages almost the same shooting percentage as one of the best centers in the league.

    • @tobsixi6702
      @tobsixi6702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well the 90s were very different from the modern NBA, offenses were actually build around Centers so naturally defenses were also focused on stopping them + spacing wasnt nearly as good as in the modern NBA thus making the paint and post more crowded with defenders so shooting over 50% when always battleing against other Bigs with poor spacing was actually quite the challenge compared to modern Centers where a lot just camp in the dunker spot, waiting for oops and misses that they can clean up

    • @Vibe1610
      @Vibe1610 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tobsixi6702 That's true. Still a great accomplishment tho

    • @Ali-on8dc
      @Ali-on8dc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tobsixi6702 that basically makes it tougher to score cause today u beat ur man ur at the cup for an easy layup or dunk those days ur 4 and 5 man were in the paint waiting to slam u upside ur head. Yes it was arguably the toughest era so score in in nba history so what jordan did was beyond impressive.

  • @alecboegman2627
    @alecboegman2627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the series!!!!! Keep it coming

  • @jdm2339
    @jdm2339 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    10 out of 10, my guy. Just like all your vids! :D keep up the great work

  • @markjackson6431
    @markjackson6431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    can’t wait to get to the 70s with the NBA AND ABA

  • @OfficialDuhon29
    @OfficialDuhon29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Just finished watching the 2000’s and he delivers with another BANG!!!
    *Mike Breen Voice

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahah, amazing commentating Duhon lmao

  • @basha8836
    @basha8836 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just watched this video for the 3rd or 4th time and I noticed that in still images Charles always guarded the centers like Shaq, David, Hakeem and Ewing lmao. The guy have no fear!

  • @vernonleewarren280
    @vernonleewarren280 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was excellent. Thank you sir

  • @ilichjames
    @ilichjames 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pippen:"Hey Karl,the mailman doesn't deliver on sundays".LOL

    • @cd2ogz1
      @cd2ogz1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

  • @yoannbeausse8531
    @yoannbeausse8531 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video, just wanted to correct the stat line of Shaq in 93-94 (at 6:50 in the video) : he did not average 5.1 apg, but only 2.4apg (if he did, it would have been an easy MVP season imo ! 29-13-5-3 with 60% shooting ?!? Come on ! xD).

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. A couple other people pointed that out too. Idk what the heck I was looking at when I typed in 5.1 apg. lol

  • @JoseRivas-wd4zd
    @JoseRivas-wd4zd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always enjoy your videos .

  • @rickbriss33
    @rickbriss33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super dope video 🔥

  • @leptonparticle238
    @leptonparticle238 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So basicly, if MJ didnt retire and didnt get injured, he would have been the real MVP of the league for 10 seasons steaight from 1987 to 1996...

  • @liamnance1029
    @liamnance1029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It should be:
    90: Jordan
    91: Jordan
    92: Jordan
    93: Hakeem
    94: Hakeem
    95: Robinson
    96: Jordan
    97: Jordan
    98: Jordan
    99: Shaq

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      spot on

    • @ecnumber1fan
      @ecnumber1fan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Looks about right to me

    • @LenoD79
      @LenoD79 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed

    • @mixedpleasure4324
      @mixedpleasure4324 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah where Mj missing a couple of mvps is in the 80s

    • @the757general2
      @the757general2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jordan was clearly better in 93

  • @Andrewmehr_
    @Andrewmehr_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this series

  • @justinvincent1691
    @justinvincent1691 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel is so good just like JxMhighroller! You have earned my subscription sir. 🔥🔥

  • @nba2kclassicmatchups906
    @nba2kclassicmatchups906 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd give 93' to Hakeem and 90' to Barkley. But I cannot say that the choice of Jordan is also wrong.

  • @zurvey
    @zurvey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A *HUGE* flaw in your thinking is that stats indicate who the better players are. Not even win shares or PER tell us who the best players are. For example, Kobe gets compared to Jordan all the time, but Kobe's role while Shaq was on the Lakers was more comparable to Pippen, not Jordan. Performing in that role altered Kobe's stats considerably. Was Kobe a *worse* player in the Shaq years? Of course not. And Kobe played at least one season with a broken finger on his shooting hand. That affected his shooting percentage and other stats, but injuries heal over the course of a season and can potentially allow a player to be more effective again - a common happening that isn't reflected in a season's stat line. A player's contribution to winning - to the team's overall record against all other players - HAS to always be considered heavily in determining a player's value. By the way, I think very concept of an MVP award in a team game is fundamentally flawed, but it does sell sneakers. 😉

    • @wanilimbe
      @wanilimbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pano Kosto Kobe was no winner though with mediocre players.

    • @awesomereviews1561
      @awesomereviews1561 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s not a flaw, it’s just the criteria by which he decided to judge. As long as he is consistent with it, it’s not a problem. You can make a different list with different criteria but you have to be consistent with it .

  • @bartomiej9807
    @bartomiej9807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video. 1 thing that could be improved - use more side to side stat comparisons while discussing two players. It helps focusing on the topic. You could also add some (but not much) red/green colour to notice better individual stats.

  • @markjackson6431
    @markjackson6431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    another great vid man

  • @jeffreymann6990
    @jeffreymann6990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Jordan the real GOAT

  • @shivenpathuri3153
    @shivenpathuri3153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1989/90 - 1992/93: Michael Jordan
    1993/94 - 1994/95: Hakeem Olajuwon
    1995/96 - 1997/98: Michael Jordan
    1998/99: Karl Malone

  • @zachjette5250
    @zachjette5250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great series

  • @Mektek19
    @Mektek19 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Exceptional work, wow 👏

  • @soulpringle1612
    @soulpringle1612 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    6:12 Mj is the goat bro🐐. I’m sorry but Bron isn’t close yet

    • @bentongrq5160
      @bentongrq5160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Youll hurt bronsexual bro. They think stats alone is matter ,

  • @Splackavellie85
    @Splackavellie85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So.. Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Hakeem, Hakeem, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan?

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's how i'd rank it

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eric Larry lmao I wasn’t serious about Jordan winning all of those, but does he deserve most of them yes

    • @Splackavellie85
      @Splackavellie85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eric Larry Well, considering the Admiral pulled a Giannis in the playoffs, it would be hard to argue he was the better player over Hakeem.

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lesley Harrys true

    • @wanilimbe
      @wanilimbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Karl Malone in 97’ and Charles Barkley

  • @asymptoticspatula
    @asymptoticspatula 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great series! The “MJ took it personal” meme always gets a laugh outta me.

  • @williamfales456
    @williamfales456 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    subscribing for this just saw the first one this series is awesome

  • @masonwright2560
    @masonwright2560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Who else just clicked on this video to see how much MVP's MJ had

  • @hubbthepoet612
    @hubbthepoet612 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Should’ve picked a different decade. I can’t imagine taking a MVP away from MJ

  • @yottamgroch358
    @yottamgroch358 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @carnek
    @carnek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video. Please do 2010s if is not too complicated :)

  • @SealofPerfection
    @SealofPerfection 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The late 80's through the 90's was the best era for the NBA. That said, in at LEAST the 90's, if not a few years before, MJ was the best and most valuable player every year. He should have 6 MVP's, minimum.
    Look at the impact he had on his team: The year he retired, the Bulls couldn't even beat the Knicks and get to the East Finals, much less the NBA Finals.
    Almost the same exact team, added, plus Kukoc, drop Paxon/add Kerr.
    And if you look at some of the role players, their numbers dropped a good bit without MJ there.
    HUGE difference. MVP. GOAT.

    • @wanilimbe
      @wanilimbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My guy the Bulls were still top 2 in the league without Jordan, that entire game 5 vs the Knicks was rigged. Your underrating that 94’ and 95’ team.

    • @kevinjackson9573
      @kevinjackson9573 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wanilimbe no the bulls were the team with 9th most wins and the Knicks were clearly better than those bulls they had Patrick Ewing , Oakley and John Starks ( Starks averaged 20 points in regular season that year)

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wanilimbe Results matter. Bottom line is, they finished 2nd in the Central, and lost to the Knicks.
      The same Knicks that they owned with MJ.
      Sure, they were still good, but they were not and never would have been a championship team without Jordan. That's an MVP right there.

    • @jbailey690
      @jbailey690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wanilimbe Here you are being proven wrong yet again.
      Must be a Lebron hating Jordan the GOAT this much and constantly proving you have no idea what you're talking about.
      Typical.

    • @KingPurpose18
      @KingPurpose18 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      2010 nba > 90s nba

  • @_1luljayyy
    @_1luljayyy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Haven’t even watch the video and already know Jordan should have 10 MVPs

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      no doubt

    • @369pendulum
      @369pendulum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well if you know basketball you'd know he didn't even play all 10 seasons available..

    • @_1luljayyy
      @_1luljayyy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Pre Law I’m talking about he should have MVP in 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97 and 98 that’s 10 years. But they stop giving MJ the award cause he was too dominant and they want someone to have a chance to win it

    • @Phori859
      @Phori859 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pre Law he actually had 11 full seasons

    • @funnyspoonman7437
      @funnyspoonman7437 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe Hakeem was flat out god tier in some seasons

  • @Tauror
    @Tauror 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thats all i needed and it became personal with me

  • @toddmusic
    @toddmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    We don't think MJ's the GOAT. He IS THE GOAT.

    • @kfl16
      @kfl16 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Facts

    • @emack4371
      @emack4371 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      PERIOD

    • @armandodelossantos736
      @armandodelossantos736 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not to Olajuwon. He was just another player Olajuwon owned

    • @siddharthpatel5125
      @siddharthpatel5125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Armando De Los Santos how though. Hakeem never got a chip when Jordan was in the league

    • @emack4371
      @emack4371 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@armandodelossantos736 the Dream was a BEAST but stop capping.....MJ da GOAT

  • @inthepaint2907
    @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If MVP's were given the right way only about 5-10 players ever between the '90s and present-day would have an MVP

  • @DavidAF311
    @DavidAF311 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:26 my goodness showing Chuck’s shin girth it’s amazing he moved around so fluently

    • @nostalgicbliss5547
      @nostalgicbliss5547 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude was thicc. Had tree trunks for legs. His base was really strong and he could run and jump with the best of them, especially in his Philly years.

  • @kingofdetroit358
    @kingofdetroit358 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I'm happy u made this video...your videos r better than other youtubers

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks man! That means a lot.

    • @kingofdetroit358
      @kingofdetroit358 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonnyarnett your welcome

  • @HenryZhoupokemon
    @HenryZhoupokemon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It would be Jordan 1990-1999

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep

    • @HenryZhoupokemon
      @HenryZhoupokemon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      InThePaint Jordan stans have less IQ than lebron fans

    • @inthepaint2907
      @inthepaint2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Henry Zhou true

    • @wanilimbe
      @wanilimbe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hakeem from 93 to 95 Jordan from 90-92 Malone from 97-98 and Jordan in 96 again