The Art Of Making Mistakes - Countless Fixes For My 1963 Plymouth Valiant Slant Six (And It Breaks)
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- I just wanted to go for a test drive, is that so much to ask? This is the car I've chosen for my turbo slant six project, a 1963 Plymouth Valiant Signet 200 (whatever that means) that I got up and running with MSD Atomic EFI in a previous video. It doesn't have a turbo yet, but that's another story. My plan for this episode was to get the wheels and tires swapped, tune the EFI system, make some various improvements in the engine compartment, and finally take the car for a real test drive. Naturally, the universe had other ideas.
As I can no longer drive, (due to injuries and strokes) I specifically watch you work, to relax. And the memories.
You and Chris Birdsong are my favorite Mopar channels.
This is even better than i thought, the 170 is even more uncommon so this will be sweet!
Or the 198.
I don't care what anybody says. Your humor makes these videos fun to watch. Almost Monty Python-ish. They also look like a parody of me working on stuff. Always a cluster. Lol
I love Monty Python! And that’s essentially what I’m going for - showing how much of a cluster frick this often is. So thanks!
I love your “editing yourself” clips, your voice is always very serious and it’s like someone else correcting you 🤣
I’m usually editing at my kitchen table at 7 AM and at that time I am almost certainly a different person 😅
One of the great things about old Chryslers is when they aren't running (properly or at all) you can look at them and say to yourself "yeh but it's a cool looking car". .....Thats a cool looking car.
Oh trust me, I walked out there and did that just today.
@@DeadDodgeGarage and it's with pride we say " yes, it's a heap of shit. But it's my heap of shit !"
I've owned a couple of slant 6 Mopars - been waiting impatiently for this next video on the project. Thanks.
Looks awesome with those wheels!👍
Like salty snacks, Jamie's videos have become habit forming. These pretzels are making me thirsty!
LOL😄
Just got my copy of mope collectors guide; congratulations to you! You look great and you did Dales Demon all the respect it deserves. Keep it up!!
Outstanding! Thank you!
Despite the countless setbacks, it was a “valiant” effort 😂
You can see yourself out
😂
“I’ll be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitress” ta-dum, tiss🥁
Coming along nicely and runs awesome aside from the fuel issue. Wheels totally changed the look and stance !
This is so much better than 'Reality TV" because when shit happens, it happens and doesn't get edited out. And I can really relate to working on one problem and ending up down a hundred rabbit holes of more and more problems. But, carry on thy wayward son and there will be a running driving turbo Valiant when you are done. I heard it in a love song or something, so it can't be wrong. Just a little Kansas and Marshall Tucker wisdom.
That was good. Some of my old favorites there.👍
It is Magnificent! I can’t wait to see more! I can see a fuel tank flush in your future.
That, or I just replace the dang thing…
That will work as well!
I was thinking (dangerous) I don’t remember seeing you hook up a fuel return line for the EFI.
I've just stumbled across this channel today....loving it. Hello from Australia ✌️
Thank you!
The masking tape on the air cleaner is awesome.
I like it. Haha. Eventually it will have a carb hat, but for now…
Looks absolutely mint now Jamie.... cant wait for turbo noises but theres always hurdles along the way...good thing you have a yard and shed full of "spares"
Hey brother hood it's a cool old Val those wheels really set it off the hard work is worth it thats the joy of doing cool things on a old car anyway I get a good laugh watching others struggle its entertaining and also a learning curve thanks Jamie another great video
The Valiant would look great with a coat of satin white Rusto. Its a super easy color and sheen to make it look good. Plus a rougher sheen is really easy to sand back down. I know he said he doesn't really want to go down that road but it would be a huge improvement.
Mike painted his ‘64 Dart in satin white. I don’t like the look. I like the patina flavor, and I’m going to leave it alone.
I could watch Mopar video's all day brother keep it up
Turbocharged 170cu Slant Six?
You’re the only man in the world who would do that. 😸
I’m not! It’s been done! I think…
from the web-
170
-The only engine that is oversquare
-Rod ratio is better than the 225 but not as good as the 198- Rod Ratio: 1.814
-Lowest peak HP and torque but known for being able to rev much higher than a 225, which changes up the low peak HP numbers. But still not tons of torque
-Tied for highest RPM at peak HP (a slant at 4400RPM probably sounds awesome!)
-Though it is smallest it is still quite sizable by todays standards
198
-Only engine that is "square"-ish
-Best rod ratio- Rod ratio: 1.924
-Widest RPM gap between peak torque and peak HP
-Lowest peak torque (possibly best highway economy?)
225
-Undersquare
-Worst rod ratio- Rod ratio 1.624
-Tons of low-end torque but doesn't like to turn nearly as high as the 170
-With all that stroke and less-than-great rod ratio the rings get a good work out.
-Seems to be most popular and readily available engine.
-Also seems to be most sought after for performance.
@@HelpingHand-ic4wtI think the 170 could benefit from a 5 or 6 speed and shorter final drive. I'd bet they love boost.
@@HelpingHand-ic4wt@HelpingHand-ic4wt I think the 170 could benefit from a 5 or 6 speed and shorter final drive. I'd bet they love boost.
Bat man made his appearance!! Also that car is mag-nificent and you making that pun lives permanently in my head cannon😂
Shit, I didn’t even do it on purpose 🤣
I really enjoy your Project Car Video's Jamie. Keep them coming.
Alright you've convinced me! I'm gonna track down another slant to turbo to put in my chrysler valiant!
Outstanding!
People who say they're stressed out watching you work may be folks that just don't work, at all. Car EDD is a real thing, not to be confused with ED, also a real thing. 😊
What a roller coaster ride of emotions!! Can other abusive relationship we all have with our beloved and hated project cars
As normal nice informative video, our little 1974 mini has one of those silly little cylinder head bypass hose pain in the to change it. Glad your not sticking a V8 in it.Regards from sunny England
I just got a care package from Summit with an AVS2, mopar bracket and calibration kit. I just need the rain to stop...
From Dave Wren’s collection…cool! One of my favorite racers from the great northwest…. Wouldn’t surprise me if he had a Hemi planned to go in this. 🤔
Now I’m not saying you should change the channel’s name or anything, but Valiant Garage has a ring to it. 😊
Great stuff as always.
After watching this video I finally went and got a remanufactured Edelbrock carb to replace my junky Holley. Makes a big difference from feathering the gas to get it to go to hitting the gas without it cutting out.
They work really well!
I'm trying to catch up watching. I've been busy trying to clean up my place after the hurricane and other projects. Living on the Texas coast has its challenges. TIG welding with 309 wire is my "go-to" for exhaust manifolds.
Oh dang. Yeah I’ve heard it was a mess down there… videos will still be here when you get stuff in order.
Watching you DDG makes me wish I hadn't quit drinking, smoking pot, and selling my 87 D100, but not necessarily in that order.
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I quit drinking years ago but I plan on smoking pot and fixing vehicles right up till noon on the day of my funeral! 🤣
@minnesotatomcat yeah I was a government contractor on military bases, so I had to change one color green for another color green $$. Once I got on base dealing with the government and seeing the people spending our money, I kinda wish things were still fuzzy, if you know what I mean.
@@michaelatkins9780 you don’t approve of all the $500 govt shovels they buy? 🤣
I dig it, and Im a carb guy 100% of the time. Can you play around w/ injector sizes? Turbo slant six, with stick trans in there, sounds like fun! Keep goin'. Love, Dubs
Them Centerlines are dope 💪
You're well on your way to where you're going to wind up!
Another great vid, I watch them all.
Vice Grip Garage clear coat, or any clear coat would be cool.
Monty Python, Red Green, Nailed it!!!
Some of my favorites!
Took a running car and turned it into a non-runner. That sounds so incredibly familiar. Are you sure I didn't work on that?
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I adjust slant 6 valves at 12 intake and 22 exhaust. When warm, it will go to 10-20. If for some reason you did 10-20 cold, when it warms you'll get a slight miss at idle.
"If for some reason" - that reason is the factory spec.
I love going through you comments and replying to the negative Nancy’s……I get so many hilarious comments taken down 🤣 people shouldn’t bring the smoke if they can’t handle the fire
Thank you for your service!
fun for me show. thank you.
Neat
Love this car, my first car was a blue one , 3 on the tree
Keep on keeping on
NGK V-Power plugs are the only ones I've used in my Mopars for years.
This is way a more interesting turbo slant build than the Stay Tuned truck build.
That’s what I thought!
It would be interesting to see what fuel economy is like ..??.. looking forward seeing more content and thanks..🔧🔧👍
I think so too! Thanks!
Watching me work stresses me out!
Thank you Jamie
I also had a white '63 Valiant Signet 2 door hardtop but with it being a Canadian car, the body was Dodge Dart from the firewall on back.
Yep! They did that for several years.
I see you have the Holley system installed. But this just looks so interesting. Yup, port fuel injection. Not mine. Whoops! Thank you for the correction.
And the link I posted is gone. No matter. It led to a slant 6 build that had injectors mounted in the head. It was interesting.
MSD Atomic, although they are now owned by Holley, so… something like that. The theory is that this will work better under boost than a carburetor. Currently I am still trying to get it to actually work naturally aspirated… but that’s mostly my fault.
Gonna be sooo good 👍🏻
Really like the idea of the 170. It seems fitting to take the least likely and make it awesome....And there are a bazillion 225's around. Was the 225 reference from your old truck a harbinger? Time will tell, I guess. Waiting, but not with abated breath.
Yes, that’s what we’ll call plan B. Haha.
I believe this may be the only channel that I'd watch even if the subject matter of a particular episode
didn't interest me much....
Not that I'm saying anything of the sort for *this* specific episode, mind you. 🙂
- Ed on the Ridge
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the hairpin front fenders need to be high like that, it's a good look
FiTech has what you need for the fuel tank set up. Use any tank you desire with FiTech insides, etc.... OR go to Tanks Inc., they have the EFI tank for your car. How about putting some shine-juice on that patina? Easy to apply and quick....And Raise the back 4 inches....
Oh shit, you’re right! I had only found their late A tank before. This is perfect, thanks.
Dorman has a nice lug stud catalog.
Indeed. I’ve got boxes of them around. In fact, didn’t I show a couple boxes of Dorman studs in this video? I have every option of late A front stud in stock.
It's my opinion that on my 65 Valiant, only the Super 6 intake and exhaust manifolds are from a later model slant 6, and were bolted on to my car's original block, for a couple reasons: on the intake manifold, several areas of blue paint could be seen under the red paint that was there when I bought it. Late 70's and on slant sixes were painted blue, yet the intake was the only place I could see it. Any other areas of the block that still had paint were orange. Per Ed at Wildcat Mopars, the 65 Valiant engines were orange. I took the valve cover down to bare metal before repainting, no blue paint to be seen. Also, my engine's head has spark plug drool tubes, which, as you state in this video, the later heads did not have. This opinion of mine could be wrong, tho... I do want to get an EGR delete plate, the ugly EGR valve is still there, but does nothing as all the vacuum ports are blocked off.
No you’re probably right. My memory sucks.
Yeee Yeee
Those aftermarket frame mounted EFI pumps all seem to be noisy, even if you isolate them. There is a channel with a guy in Florida who did an EFI 69 valiant build with turbo charged 360, and the pump was the same. You probably will have to go with an in tank pump to quiet it down. Of course a tank not filled with rust is also a big help… 😁
The noise doesn’t bother me too much - except when it screams like a dying bison because it’s starving for fuel…
Grandma’s daily driver grocery getter……. If Grandma was a Mad Scientist 🚀
I love what and where ya going with this build man awsome
Looks stunning on them centrelines - PS please wind the windows up on the Studebaker ,unless it never rains in Washington , Had the window busted out on my car today - its soggy now , not ideal for the lovely Studebaker
It has been very nice here, and I thought letting that unit breathe was a good idea.
@@DeadDodgeGarage That's good. Glad your not leaving out in all weathers like that. Do so love them centrelines on that car. The whole terbo consept is brill
And remember a grinder can make you into great welder!
You’re damn right!
All those wheel/tire issues, well, maybe it's time for a 1963 TURBO SIGNET GASSER!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Don’t tempt me…
@@DeadDodgeGarage I don't think I've ever seen one before!! Honestly, I think that would be very cool!!!
OMG🫢 a 170 with 15lbs boost = 340cid🎉what a coincidence!
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CENTERLINES, I love it
that would make those plugs 50 years old yesterday. Aug 8, 1974.
Woah. That’s odd timing.
That would look cool if you sold those bumpers to me.
Booooooo, also the back one is pretty well bent
In the late 70s I saw a 1971 383 challenger with an aluminum intake and the carb set on an angle like that one, never seen another since then except on a BBC? Also check the rubber fuel line from the tank that goes to the metal line for hairline cracks from dry rot, that will suck air and run out of gas one day and the next day or so work ok, I had that happen once.
Yep - but it’s brand new. The whole fuel line is.
Car computer equals unimaginable problems that can happen, I'll stay old school. :)
You and me both, sister - for literally every other build. How would you turbo a carb’d slant six? Boost reference a BBD?
I kinda like the look of those honeycomb wheels on it, more of a sleeper look that you don't get with centerlines. Also the honeycomb wheels would look good with rich Corinthian leather.....
I agree. I trimmed a lot of fat out of this video, and one of the clips that was cut involved explaining that I do think they’re a good fit for the car. But… Centerlines. It definitely looks less subdued and more racey now.
interior, not wheels...
What can I do to obtain such levels of bearded greatness?
I wish I knew 😅
Hmmmm....my buddy that lives in Centralia has a 3D printer, I'll make a call. Oh, I also commend you for the lack of on camera swearing during the episode, you are a stronger man than I.
It's Magnificent
My daily driver is a 1965 Chrysler Valiant AP6 made in Australia like myself I can’t believe that two door has the same front end almost as my 4 door. I love my car and I hate new cars I don’t want my car to beep and be able to record me. I love my valiant
Nice! Yes, they are very similar. Over here, the 2 and 4 doors used exactly the same nose. The Australian Valiant grilles are special. The ‘64-66 setup looks pretty similar to the US version, but for ‘63 the Australian grille is unique. You didn’t get this funky frowny face thing. It has really grown on me.
@@DeadDodgeGarage yeh the AP5 has a long grill which is the only difference pretty much besides inside to my 65 AP6 which has the two little grills with the break in the middle which I love. I have jellybean mags or some call them kidney mags. They look great my spare tyre is exactly the same as your tyres and we do call them honeycomb
Yes! The short stroke SHOULD be able to rev higher, as in a F1 car at 15,000 or whatever crazy RPM. If not mistaken that's around 2 or 2 1/2" stroke? I know the 170 can't do THAT but interested to see where you end up, without blowing out the pan! Or if....
Precisely! I’m very interested to see where it will go.
@@DeadDodgeGarage Me too! I worry that a turbo will shove in too much pressure along with possible VALVE FLOAT at high RPM with the factory springs, etc. On and on. Good luck, I'll be watching....
I have two '65 Signets - one a 225 and the other a 273
Treat the 170 the same as a 225, as far as cam, valves and timing. What you need to watch is the fuel flow. You can get, if built right 8k rpms in a 170.
That’s the goal!
The 170 revs easy and unlike the 225 its crank shaft isn't setting in the engine oil so windage isn't as much of a issue so 170 all the way.
A Fitch in the Northwest? I'd put money on it that we're related. Chunk of my family from Iowa took off on the Oregon trail back in the the day. Fitch is an Ellis Island name changed up by the guy who couldn't understand my relative's thick German accent
Well having a 95 dakota with 305k and a 3k mile trip in two weeks i do but dont have anxiety... Mopar Life
The patina flavor looks like it would taste like white chocolate.. 😂
My '63 has the same thing!
Krylon is the answer to your mismatched paint problems...
Do I have mismatched paint problems? I don’t see the funky patina as a problem. Haha.
Please do a video of your kitchen garden progress.
That’s not my department around here.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I meant with all your spare time!!!
Plus the 170 was a cold nature girl when new, I had 1 in sw,fla in the 80s and she acted like I was in Detroit in mid. Jan for the first 1min.😂😅😂
Interesting…
21:59 Holy hell that looks exactly like the old dakota I used to have. Same year, same paint. By far the most miles of anything I ever drove, 350k miles
Also, 26:50 545rfe?
No that’s the 46RE or whatever the heck they used in 5.9 Durangos. 545 was 4.7 only in those.
Oh hell yeah Tony would 😂
yeah i still don't get the whole slant 6 thing but i know how it is when you got an itch, you got to scratch it. back in the day my late great uncle and i threw together a 65 valiant with a built to sh*t 340, short shaft 833 and a 8.75 with 4.88's just to run errands around town so yeah i know what that itch feels like it's just kind if hard to imagine an itch for a slant 6 but i guess when you've done everything else than why not.....
Right. I’ve had that itch for like 14 years now, and an even stronger one after getting slightly into turbo Subarus about five years ago. If I just wanted to go fast, I have a built 440 in pieces. Or I’d build a blown big block Chevy. Or I’d 2JZ swap one of these things. Or I’d just buy a Hellcat. I want to do something that I find intriguing and unique. I want to see what I can do. And I want to make a slant six cool.
Well kid the car looks better for sure and i no longer puke in my mouth a little when i see it. There is a great deal of progress my ADD friend and for those not like us this saying fits. If i have to explain you wont understand. So not gonna😂. Now like you said this is steps forward and this will evolve. As for the turbo signent all i have to say about that is VICCCCC. Oh good thing your Not using the turbo off my cummins on this little fella or it would have blown the bolts off the intake.😂 fast and the furious reference there. I am the mad scientist 😂. Lastly you have done a lot so be proud and shim that starter for god sakes. 😢
170 is good! Although I can't say exactly why? :-)
Question and comment:
What sizes are those new wheels and tires? they look awesome. I need to upgrade from my 13" pizza cutter tires.
When I first got my 65 Valiant, its starter sounded like a normal old-school starter, for about 3 weeks. Then it started making the same identical clunky-crunchy sounds that yours makes. 2 days later it died completely. Replaced it with a Dakota starter, and all is right with the universe. I'm sure you (or Tom) have spare starters around...
They are 15” wheels, which will be hard to find. I know the rears are 245 wide, but beyond that I don’t remember. I think the fronts are 215s. I’m seriously kinda tired size stupid. But you should know that these barely fit, and the rear passenger still rubs.
The front end resembles a rambler.
put a MUCH larger fuel filter on it.... they do make them
It is a video about a turbo valiant
Well, kinda
Who cares if its broken, as long as it looks good! 😂👌