Hey Finn, met you Sat in Memphis. Great run! You signed my Dakota cupholder and took photos with my kids and I. Thanks so much for doing that, it was a blast! Now, time to settle in for 15 min of coyote goodness
490 was my guess, I'm admittedly a Ford guy and my experience with coyotes has seriously impressed me. They take to forced induction like a duck to water, they rev for days, and sound mean as hell
Nothing runs like a blue oval iv had mud bog guys running 454s and ls motors tell me straight up if you have the money a ford will make way more power and iv been told by guys at car meets if every car was stock fords would win every race Chevy's are just cheap and you can usual find a lot of them at your local junk yard.
As a mad Chevy guy, you’re right. Chevy has taken note. This is good for us all. Better Chevy better Ford, soon better Chevy. The bar gets raised repeatedly. Not hating life now.
part of me wanted them to get to the actual dyno test already but then the other part of me was just in love listening to these two talk about all of the intricate details
I think 6500 is definitely a load of cash for it. But, besides the hp numbers, you also get insane throttle response and the sound of those intake runners on the street is just out of this world.
You gotta love something different! Yeah, it's expensive for the power output. But I bet it responds right now and sounds great! When you got it, flaunt it!
Can't wait until Holley comes out with the VVT software and sensor interfaces. Given the size of the equalized floor plenum, even with pump gas, it should hit 500 easily. Maybe 525. The power curve should also begin earlier with VVT fully enabled with the fuel injectors and timing advance dialed in. I'm surprised that the 12.7:1 air / fuel ratio worked as well as it did with the VVT "disabled". Nice job Finnigan!
Borlas site calls it a vacuum accumulator not a Plenum. Its just a vac tank for the map and whatever else may need the vacuum. 12.7:1 is generally good for power on most N/A EFI applications. The VVT software from Holley should be interesting.
I really enjoy hearing from Robin, He is such a quiet man even though he really knows his stuff. Does that intake come with an air cleaner setup? That engine looks awesome, just that intake make it look like a hotrod engine.
That's a lot of money for just a look. Vut have to say I don't think it is worth the bucks. For the$ he could have gone with a Kenne Bell twin screw blower and made a bunch more power.
People spend thousands on wheels of subjective looks that offer no gain or worse performance so I don’t think this is a stretch if you have the money. That being said I think their barrel set up looks way cooler.
@@Hoggdoc1946 Some people are die hards for NA power though. Forced induction is cool but a ton of power coming from an NA motor is pretty, partly because its indicative of alot of work done to get it there.
This setup is badass and would probably shine with a nice set of cams.... but you can do 490 crank for like $1500 with a cobra jet manifold and use the stock ECU lol
if you're a Ford fan DON'T READ THE COMMENTS. It's literally full of Chevy girls talking about their junkyard LS engines making 4 digit power for $15 bucks, on stock internals, all while being daily driven for millions of miles.
matt bludgen I'm a chevy fan love their motors but shut up dude the coyote is a great motor you don't know what the fuck ur talkin about and yeah I'm a chevy fan but can you deny that ford makes a 5.0liter with 500hp and chevy struggles to make a NA 6.2 or 7.0 with 500hp sooooooo how is the coyote shit again?
matt bludgen and another thing why the hell must u compare ford vs Chevy they're both American they both make great V8s. Ford dodge and chevy how can you go wrong with a challenger a camaro a newer Mustang or corvette or a demon or a Ford gt or a Shelby. It's 2018 dude all of America's cars are no fucking joke and ANY of those I just named are a serious competitor in the racing world so your logic is just biased bullshit. When a Ford dodge or chevy beat up on the foreign cars? That sir is awesome no matter the make:)as long as it's an American V8
Impressed all three power guesses for horsepower were correct to within three percent! Lucky guy whoever owns that Borla kit - I remember seeing a Ferrari 308 converted to fuel injection with a full Borla exhaust - that thing was soooo beautifully made, it just oozed quality!
Actually lower than i though it would have made. Im a gm guy, but am impressed with these motors. Still good numbers, but ill pass on something so expensive with a small gain per money invested
@@betherealdeal No, he's full of shit. The amount of accessories being driven by the engine is relatively minimal, given that they're mostly electronic. At most the accessories most likely rob about 10-20 horsepower and that's being very generous. Regular GT makes about 430 net horsepower (with all of the accessories bolted on). Ford usually always does net horsepower at the engine flywheel for all of their engine power/torque numbers, so without the accessories, you're looking at about 440-450 horsepower on the stock motor with literally zero belt driven accessories.
I wish there was a way to show the difference between the stock throttle response and this aftermarket setup. Great vid Mike never thought I would see a vid of a ford on your channel. Lol 😂. That would look great in the mustang from your other TH-cam show with fri. (Rustomod)
Great induction vid. Engine masters proves the old style high rise dual quads on a old chevy are good for 50 hp this setup produces at least 10 more on less cubes and is low profile! That's the key. Low profile. My 98 T/A 421cid stroker ls2 block with gmpp ported heads makes 550 rwhp with a stock ls3 intake. Borla needs to make one of these for the Ls3. Even though its $6500 my engine cost is only $6500 so for 13,000. I could slip this combo(421lsx/Borla)into my 2008 3200 lb C6(bolt on's 412 rwhp)likely making around 625 rwhp at 6800 rpm N/A. Over 800 n2o easy. This should be competition for many of the big blower corvette folks. Without n2o crushing new and bolt on Zl1 and Zo6's
It wasn't bought for the power it makes. It was the look the guy wanted. Application is everything. Obviously if your shooting for high hp. This isn't what you would by.
Finn, I cant wait to see your " how to read spark plugs" episode. Iv'e heard you numerous time speak about how important it is to know how to read your plugs. I'm having issues with my stock 350, just trying to figure out how to tune the new Edelbrock carb right, let alone read the plugs. My #6 plug is all gunked up and I don't know what to make of it, other plugs look dark which could mean a rich condition. Please inform the little garage guys how to read plugs properply!
Personally I'd take a Roush supercharger kit for a Coyote before investing 6g+ on an intake manifold like that. For just a little more money they can push a good 5.0 deep into the 600-700 range, depending on the tune. Admittedly though, I guess it's all about what you want the car to do (demolish a drag strip or destroy track day events, and about how you want the car to feel with throttle). I will say though Fin, you did a good job with this one, even if you're not a Ford guy. Keep up the good work!
to all the arm chair "morons",this isn't about someone trying to get the most out of his engine. he likes the way this looks,its beautiful and adds something other intakes do not add aesthetically. i personally love it,yes there are better,cheaper ways to make more power so go do it. its what he wants and im sure he is happy,if you have anything to say make a video all about it showing your aluminator crate engine and what you did to make it perform AND look better.
This type of intake, while looking amazing, is going to be more about feel. ITB’s have much more instantaneous throttle response so I would imagine it’s more about how the engine responds to spend that kind of money. Or it’s going into an older car and they want the look of ITB carbs. Would be amazing if it worked on a Mustang though without needing a standalone.
Kaase is the Ford king, and he's down the road from you. I don't reckon we hear anywhere near enough about him. I have a set of his P51 heads for my current project. Would have loved a set of Boss9ers, but they were a little out of my budget for this car.
You need to make some merch for us Mike. I need an oil rag when I'm working on my car lol. Im just messing around though, love you and Dave together on Roadkill and looking forward to the next one.
It is amazing how modest the Holley company is.. They started out making carbs for Henry Ford, they dominated NASCAR, supplied carbs to the best muscle car engines, were standard on gas truck engines , supplied Dodge with its fuel injection in the 90's and now super tuning injection systems... What a performance company ... of the CENTURY..
He is literally living across the country from where engine masters is filmed! Its not a won't have him thing, its just not feasible from what I understand.
The comment section is full of 12 year old internet experts. The guy that's writing the checks is obviously not concerned with the most horsepower for the buck. I get the feeling this guy is going for more of a cool factor or uniqueness sort of build. Hell I bet the car it's going in will probably never even see a track.
Wow, that Borla system is gorgeous, although that big plenum technically disqualifies it from individual runner status, IMO. No matter, it's super cool.
The Coyote is a monster of an engine, forget a $6500 BS intake manifold, throw a $5K supercharger on a bone stock unopened 2015+ motor and make 700whp+ with ease with no other mods but fueling/tuning.
Yep and with 700 hp it will end up in the ditch with all the over powered Coyotes with crap suspension lol. I am a Ford guy and enjoy watching the videos of the millions of Mustangs wrecking even with the stock horsepower. I get the desire for the go fast and if you are going for the go fast you aren't using a Coyote when there are Demons and Hellcats running around.
Yes and you can make that 'what a waste of money' argument about ANY performance part when $5 worth of nitrous sprayed directly into the intake with make 50hp+ This looks and sounds delicious, and makes a hell of a lot of power while doing it.
Good point. IAT’s and coolant temps on that pull where two blocks from the dudes house, not on the freeway or in the canyons or on the track. IAT’s kill my power on the road course but are even worse on the strip in the summer. That dyno pull was performed under ideal not realistic conditions.
RIGHT, some mk 8's run 10,s, PLUS RIDE AND HANDLE SO GOOD,OWNED 2, BUT STOCK. MOST HI-TECH CAR MADE IN 90'S. COST $40K NEW. IN 96 THEY PUT THAT 4OHC 32 V IN THE MUSTANG COBRA WITH A 30 HP INCREASE,FROM THEN ON IT WAS AN EVOLUTION IN MOTION.
I have seen another video were they locked out the VVT system, and dyonoed the engine and unlocked the VVT and managed to get better power out of the motor. So if you had the VVT unlocked what would this motor make realistically?
Cool vid. Your intro music is the same as on the Simxperience Sim Commander software that controls their motion rig and steering wheel. I really do not know why a bit of sim rig software has music but it is definitely the same as your intro lol
Those aluminators are overkill for a n/a build. They are meant for NO2 or boost. The base coyote crate engine would have been a whole lot cheaper. Plus that intake is also overkill with stock cams.
Looptydude ill have yo check that out. i didnt even know they carried different versions. is the standard coyote engine in the gt's come with Forge internals ?
I dont think it does. I think it is just a vacuum accumulator. It isnt actually a plenum. Also of note; snooping through Borlas intake page it looks liek they bought another company (I cannot for the life of me remember the name) and simply put their name on the intakes.
that makes more sense to me....seems it would be silly to have individuals dumping into a common area anyways. Then again, I'm not an engineer, nor that smart. I have heard of plenums pre-itb. However, I can't fathom the expense, complexity, and clearance issues of doing that.
Fitzy Holden buggered why anyone would though. Any sbf could turn 700hp for what's invested in that stupid ecu and ridiculous manifold. Love Finnigan but would've Loved to have seen any of the Kaase headed pushrod fords instead of this motor. Modulars do nothing for me unless you're talking the harrop supercharged falcons
The thing is so big I doubt it would fit between the spring towers.And 490? Get that plus at rear wheels on a 3V Clevo. With a 4bbl. Which does fit and is still a heavy lump. The Coyote sounds great but is a huge heavy lump. Go put a healthy 347 in the same car and go faster as the thing will turn!
Danny Silva Not really I love anything that makes good power........ Honda's make GREAT power per liter. When the S2000 came out over 17 years ago with 120 HP per liter and a 9000 RPM rev limit I was REALLY IMPRESSED. And I consider myself a Ford guy.
No no Vtech is honda and VVTI is toyota. That being said you get different forms of Variable valve timing (VVT) applications. Vtec has variable valve timing on both exhaust and intake whereas earlier VVTI applications is intake only (later generations of VVTI switched to both intake and exhaust) and the newer generations of Vtec and VVTI engines also have VVL (variable valve lift) which not only controls cam timing but also controls how far the valves open thus can control the velocity if the incoming air at lower rpm resulting in a higher torque output lower in the rev range and once the engine passes a certain RPM it switches over to a higher valve lift profile so that engine breathes better at higher RPM.
You can get a Ford Ecobost 3.0L twin turbo from a Ford Explorer ST that will beat that engine and save a lot of money in mods by using it. That STACK injection is $6000-$8,500 alone.
osp80 you clearly have absolutely no idea. At what revs are you talking? A fully advanced cam might make max hp on good fuel at the top of the power band. But what about 1500rpm? What about 2200rpm? What about 3100rpm? That fully advanced cam is going to die in the arse at those revs! Learn about area under the graph. That and the torque figure win drag races, not hp
Depends on where they set the cams - full retard wouldn't make a dif from 4500- on up. You might pick up low end torque that you don't usually measure on the dyno with variable cam advance working . So a bit more than two lazy 2.5L toyota camry motors grafted together, About right. That's what this engine is. The old SOHC 4.6 was 2 Pinto motors :) - Sandy
I'll never understand why people would waste all that money. 11k for a motor with only 435hp? You can build literally any engine for half that and get that power and have cash left over.
Jordan Wiley Sorry for the late response, anyway your comparing a stock engine to a built one, so what happens if you build that 435hp coyote? Well if you highball for the sake of argument let’s say another 8G’s on it, and now let’s lowball it for arguments sake, now with a super charger it’s pushing 700hp(I’ve seen them go 1000), you pay what you get with these engines.
They did that with the LT5. They literally went to Lotus and demanded they build them an engine. Lotus built a badass engine and retooled a bunch of crap to manufacture it. Then GM fucked them over and had someone else build the engines with the tooling Lotus built
You've built a e39 BMW M5 engine, 20 years after it came out-- 5 liter, alu block, 11:1, double overhead cams, ITBs, VVT (once you get that working). Eerily identical.
Very cool looking set up . Would look absolutely insane in an AC CORBRA . Sounds insane and spunds smooth threw the RPM range . All that being said . It's not the most efficient set by any means .
But in 16 pieces though. If it ever backfires you are playing Russian roulette. Plastic cam chain tensioner VS push-rod, I'll take the steel option every time thank you. 90deg v engines should at least use some gears in the drive train for the cams to eliminate the opportunitys for wear. With todays technology kevlar cam belts that will be sized to within 0.1mm and stretch very little huge cam chains shouldn't be on anything mass produced. GM hfv6 is just as bad.
LOL so it made 412hp to the wheels if you calculate 15% drive train lost... Boss 302 intakes or CJ intake makes close to 440hp... at 7000rpm Hmmm is this worth 6500? prob not lol looks cool, prob not worth it.
+SHAWNO Exactly,throw some mufflers and accessories on it and you're looking at maybe 380-390ish,so basically stock with a worse powerband lol.This setup would probably be good on a fully built,high compression engine that turns 8.5-9K,but on a stock engine,well it sure is pretty.
Locking the cams makes ohc engines almost redundant. May as well just build a pushrod motor. And getting rid of fbw is nearly as bad. That's a stupid mod with a dumb ecu. The haltech ecu would've been a far smarter way to go
Not sure about you, but a few folks agree with what I THINK... Considering I work along side an SCT tuner, and we've tuned almost every combo.... Pretty sure people care what I think ;) care your chapa ass off youtube fuckboy
I'm a Big Ford guy But .... That is a lot of $$$$$ for an engine that makes 450-490 HP !!! When my 408 Win Stroker depending on weather temp makes 100 HP more for a lot less money !!
What a waste of money $6500 for a intake that only gives you a 60hp increase, turbo or nitrous set up would of been cheaper and would of got better hp - $ ratio
I would say it wasn't even a 60hp gain.Considering the factory 435hp rating is as it sits in the car with full exhaust and full accessories.The gains here were minimal at best.
Bitter Raven you get throttle response too along with the possibility for stupid simple meth/water spray. it's not all about horse power. Also nitrous kills engines quicker than anything and you won't be running it all the time.
heyya fin. its my birthday today :) big fan of yours and im a boat mechanic also. but homie ya need a lil mic kit :) one that sync with ya camera :) i turn it up loud to hear ya then somethings are loud scares me LOL>
There has always been an engine that is the best bang for the buck. Back in my day, it was the good ol' Chevy 350, or just the Chevy small block. Now it's the LS series. There are many ways to make HP & I am in no way saying the Coyote isn't a good motor but, right now, for the cost, you just can't beat the LS.
1320crusier And it's sad that their high end standalone can't do that (they just added vct support for it here recently, after the video was shot, it's in last month's hotrod mag). Stock PCM is king in so many applications (not this one obviously, because of stupid itb's) You miss out on 70hp throughout the curve with VCT disabled. A magazine did a test with an AEM infinity, and with VCT disabled they lost huge numbers everywhere in the curve. You can pick up power without VCT up top, but it requires a wild cam grind and eliminating the cam phasers to save a ton of rotational mass, perfect for a race motor setup like this.
Uh.. the development of software is not as easy as punching a few keyboard keys. I do agree that Stock ECM's are largely the best to go with but that is due to the lag time of the aftermarket. You are essentially using a generation old tech compared to the stock ECM.
If you're talking about Finnegan, he's a recent transplant to Georgia. He grew up in California. Of course, here in the deep south, a lot of people (not me) still consider that a yankee. Jim Bennett is correct with the pronunciation, but it's like Houston Street in NYC: you just have to be somewhere long enough to learn the way the locals say it.
to add a little fuel to the tib vs boost debate. the advantage of ITB is constant high air velocity. the plenum is so small that a really big can will act much smaller, this removes the "powerband". meaning you'll have better power at part throttle. this is better for road racing. road racers do not want the complexity nor the weight of boost. ITB's give you the ability to run a very very aggressive cam but still have usable power in the lower rpm's.
I'd love to see what this ITB setup would do on a GT350 engine.
Hey Finn, met you Sat in Memphis. Great run! You signed my Dakota cupholder and took photos with my kids and I. Thanks so much for doing that, it was a blast! Now, time to settle in for 15 min of coyote goodness
490 was my guess, I'm admittedly a Ford guy and my experience with coyotes has seriously impressed me. They take to forced induction like a duck to water, they rev for days, and sound mean as hell
Nothing runs like a blue oval iv had mud bog guys running 454s and ls motors tell me straight up if you have the money a ford will make way more power and iv been told by guys at car meets if every car was stock fords would win every race Chevy's are just cheap and you can usual find a lot of them at your local junk yard.
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As a mad Chevy guy, you’re right. Chevy has taken note. This is good for us all. Better Chevy better Ford, soon better Chevy. The bar gets raised repeatedly. Not hating life now.
And eat pistons like a fat kid likes cake.
@@ryotaryuu But all the Ford boys put them in there Mustangs! lol
part of me wanted them to get to the actual dyno test already but then the other part of me was just in love listening to these two talk about all of the intricate details
9:37 for engine running
thanks king.
That intake is beautiful 😍😍😍
Thank you Finnegan for making this video. You’ve done Mopar, Chevys and a few fords over time. But I love this Coyote engine!! “I’m a big fan “
I think 6500 is definitely a load of cash for it. But, besides the hp numbers, you also get insane throttle response and the sound of those intake runners on the street is just out of this world.
Gorgeous! Man, Borla did a great job designing that ITB setup!!! I have always wanted an Extrud-a-body ITB IM for my VK56!
the throttle response with this intake must be phenomenal.
You gotta love something different! Yeah, it's expensive for the power output. But I bet it responds right now and sounds great! When you got it, flaunt it!
Can't wait until Holley comes out with the VVT software and sensor interfaces. Given the size of the equalized floor plenum, even with pump gas, it should hit 500 easily. Maybe 525. The power curve should also begin earlier with VVT fully enabled with the fuel injectors and timing advance dialed in.
I'm surprised that the 12.7:1 air / fuel ratio worked as well as it did with the VVT "disabled".
Nice job Finnigan!
Borlas site calls it a vacuum accumulator not a Plenum. Its just a vac tank for the map and whatever else may need the vacuum. 12.7:1 is generally good for power on most N/A EFI applications. The VVT software from Holley should be interesting.
It should be out by now
I really enjoy hearing from Robin, He is such a quiet man even though he really knows his stuff.
Does that intake come with an air cleaner setup? That engine looks awesome, just that intake make it look like a hotrod engine.
It is possible that the guy bought the manifold just for looks.
I would have if I were rich
That's a lot of money for just a look. Vut have to say I don't think it is worth the bucks. For the$ he could have gone with a Kenne Bell twin screw blower and made a bunch more power.
People spend thousands on wheels of subjective looks that offer no gain or worse performance so I don’t think this is a stretch if you have the money. That being said I think their barrel set up looks way cooler.
W Hoggdoc Agreed but I don’t think that would fit in the build theme. 6500 is a bit short for a blower kit though.
@@Hoggdoc1946 Some people are die hards for NA power though. Forced induction is cool but a ton of power coming from an NA motor is pretty, partly because its indicative of alot of work done to get it there.
That's one of the prettiest motors I've ever seen. Will look fantastic on a trailer queen.
This setup is badass and would probably shine with a nice set of cams.... but you can do 490 crank for like $1500 with a cobra jet manifold and use the stock ECU lol
Wow was just watching the Crusher Engine Swap Roadkill Live. Robin has really slimmed down! Congrats to him!
if you're a Ford fan DON'T READ THE COMMENTS. It's literally full of Chevy girls talking about their junkyard LS engines making 4 digit power for $15 bucks, on stock internals, all while being daily driven for millions of miles.
i was thinking the same
Now it takes a supercharged 6.2 Shabby to barely beat a lil NA 5.2, how's it feel to be 30 years behind the curve?
matt bludgen I'm a chevy fan love their motors but shut up dude the coyote is a great motor you don't know what the fuck ur talkin about and yeah I'm a chevy fan but can you deny that ford makes a 5.0liter with 500hp and chevy struggles to make a NA 6.2 or 7.0 with 500hp sooooooo how is the coyote shit again?
matt bludgen and another thing why the hell must u compare ford vs Chevy they're both American they both make great V8s. Ford dodge and chevy how can you go wrong with a challenger a camaro a newer Mustang or corvette or a demon or a Ford gt or a Shelby. It's 2018 dude all of America's cars are no fucking joke and ANY of those I just named are a serious competitor in the racing world so your logic is just biased bullshit. When a Ford dodge or chevy beat up on the foreign cars? That sir is awesome no matter the make:)as long as it's an American V8
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Impressed all three power guesses for horsepower were correct to within three percent! Lucky guy whoever owns that Borla kit - I remember seeing a Ferrari 308 converted to fuel injection with a full Borla exhaust - that thing was soooo beautifully made, it just oozed quality!
493 hp at the flywheel with no accessories? That's the kind of power you can get out of the stock GT manifold...$6500 for a few hp? No thank you.
Actually lower than i though it would have made. Im a gm guy, but am impressed with these motors. Still good numbers, but ill pass on something so expensive with a small gain per money invested
It's mostly for aesthetics. ITBs are great for throttle response and mid range. Not really for all out power
They didnt rev it high enough... Ots a coyote motor they need to rev it to at least 9000
A D The regular GT can do that?
@@betherealdeal No, he's full of shit. The amount of accessories being driven by the engine is relatively minimal, given that they're mostly electronic. At most the accessories most likely rob about 10-20 horsepower and that's being very generous. Regular GT makes about 430 net horsepower (with all of the accessories bolted on). Ford usually always does net horsepower at the engine flywheel for all of their engine power/torque numbers, so without the accessories, you're looking at about 440-450 horsepower on the stock motor with literally zero belt driven accessories.
I wish there was a way to show the difference between the stock throttle response and this aftermarket setup. Great vid Mike never thought I would see a vid of a ford on your channel. Lol 😂. That would look great in the mustang from your other TH-cam show with fri. (Rustomod)
$6500 gives you what no one else has. That makes it cool. That's the objective here. 100% success! That intake setup is fantastico.
Great induction vid. Engine masters proves the old style high rise dual quads on a old chevy are good for 50 hp this setup produces at least 10 more on less cubes and is low profile! That's the key. Low profile.
My 98 T/A 421cid stroker ls2 block with gmpp ported heads makes 550 rwhp with a stock ls3 intake. Borla needs to make one of these for the Ls3. Even though its $6500 my engine cost is only $6500 so for 13,000. I could slip this combo(421lsx/Borla)into my 2008 3200 lb C6(bolt on's 412 rwhp)likely making around 625 rwhp at 6800 rpm N/A. Over 800 n2o easy.
This should be competition for many of the big blower corvette folks. Without n2o crushing new and bolt on Zl1 and Zo6's
Intake looks cool, but $6.5K plus the Holley ecu $? For a 58HP gain 🤔🤦🏻♂️
Supercharge the freakin thing for a 200-300hp gain.
It wasn't bought for the power it makes. It was the look the guy wanted. Application is everything. Obviously if your shooting for high hp. This isn't what you would by.
Finn, I cant wait to see your " how to read spark plugs" episode. Iv'e heard you numerous time speak about how important it is to know how to read your plugs. I'm having issues with my stock 350, just trying to figure out how to tune the new Edelbrock carb right, let alone read the plugs. My #6 plug is all gunked up and I don't know what to make of it, other plugs look dark which could mean a rich condition. Please inform the little garage guys how to read plugs properply!
Be nice to see what this would do with a 5.2L flat plane engine and E85.
Personally I'd take a Roush supercharger kit for a Coyote before investing 6g+ on an intake manifold like that. For just a little more money they can push a good 5.0 deep into the 600-700 range, depending on the tune. Admittedly though, I guess it's all about what you want the car to do (demolish a drag strip or destroy track day events, and about how you want the car to feel with throttle). I will say though Fin, you did a good job with this one, even if you're not a Ford guy. Keep up the good work!
to all the arm chair "morons",this isn't about someone trying to get the most out of his engine.
he likes the way this looks,its beautiful and adds something other intakes do not add aesthetically.
i personally love it,yes there are better,cheaper ways to make more power so go do it.
its what he wants and im sure he is happy,if you have anything to say make a video all about it
showing your aluminator crate engine and what you did to make it perform AND look better.
Well of course engines are all about how they look not how they run. MORON!
This type of intake, while looking amazing, is going to be more about feel. ITB’s have much more instantaneous throttle response so I would imagine it’s more about how the engine responds to spend that kind of money. Or it’s going into an older car and they want the look of ITB carbs. Would be amazing if it worked on a Mustang though without needing a standalone.
Kaase is the Ford king, and he's down the road from you. I don't reckon we hear anywhere near enough about him. I have a set of his P51 heads for my current project. Would have loved a set of Boss9ers, but they were a little out of my budget for this car.
Finnegan had Kaase's direct competitor build him a mountain motor. He's just a greasy person.
I have a feeling I'll learn how to read spark plugs about the same time the El Camino gets painted.
now this is funny,and undeniably true.
Lol
Or you can download a spark plug color chart on the internet in about 2 minutes.
You need to make some merch for us Mike. I need an oil rag when I'm working on my car lol. Im just messing around though, love you and Dave together on Roadkill and looking forward to the next one.
Damn, i live 15 mins away from there, thats so cool
It is amazing how modest the Holley company is.. They started out making carbs for Henry Ford, they dominated NASCAR, supplied carbs to the best muscle car engines, were standard on gas truck engines , supplied Dodge with its fuel injection in the 90's and now super tuning injection systems... What a performance company ... of the CENTURY..
And they purchased just about every company even remotely related to the domestic car aftermarket.
motortrend won't have him on engine masters, makes own channel and content to do dyno days himself
Ben McCarthy wat... dude Fin wanted to do his own thing aside from roadkill and hot rod. Don't assume stuff man.
Ben McCarthy finn is the true engine master
He is literally living across the country from where engine masters is filmed! Its not a won't have him thing, its just not feasible from what I understand.
Mngine Easters with Mike Finnegan presented by MASOIL
Its because finn lives in Georgia, and west tech is in LA.
The comment section is full of 12 year old internet experts. The guy that's writing the checks is obviously not concerned with the most horsepower for the buck. I get the feeling this guy is going for more of a cool factor or uniqueness sort of build. Hell I bet the car it's going in will probably never even see a track.
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ITBs are great for road course work.
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Hell I would buy it on looks alone.
Precisely.
Nothing says unique like an LS! :derp:
You do realize that this is not a LS right?
Wow, that Borla system is gorgeous, although that big plenum technically disqualifies it from individual runner status, IMO. No matter, it's super cool.
Coyote with Borla stack remind me, of the Ford Cosworth DFV.
Robin is legit though, I’ve been to his house in KY few times and saw his setups. Super nice guy too
The Coyote is a monster of an engine, forget a $6500 BS intake manifold, throw a $5K supercharger on a bone stock unopened 2015+ motor and make 700whp+ with ease with no other mods but fueling/tuning.
Theres more to building an engine combo and a car than 'ZOMG ALL THE POWERZ!'
Copy that.kinda like a Terminator car on roids..that's bad ass
Or build a 434 SB chevy for less than half the price @ 750 hp. Your choice.
Yep and with 700 hp it will end up in the ditch with all the over powered Coyotes with crap suspension lol. I am a Ford guy and enjoy watching the videos of the millions of Mustangs wrecking even with the stock horsepower. I get the desire for the go fast and if you are going for the go fast you aren't using a Coyote when there are Demons and Hellcats running around.
@@markperry2827 I run mid 8s @ over 160mph on bone stock suspension.. hellcats are slow bud.
Good stuff Finnegan! More of the same please. Love the content you present, and appreciate your knowledge.
i'd love to have that engine setup in the old 66 F100 restomod !
Excellent Show !! And you picked up some Disgustang goodies while you were there.. or I'm shedding tears.
I can see doing it with a factory five cobra build. It would be a centerpiece
I wanted a 427 Stroker With the Borla intake with the Factory Five Cobra. Thats the plan of my build....that I will do someday....
You have to admit.. that is badass man. I freekin love it
$6500 is a little much for an intake manifold.
not when its machined from unicorn farts
What a waste of money $6500 for a intake that only gives you a 60hp increase
@ screaminggoat43... yes it is, but just look at it, it's a thing of beauty
Yes and you can make that 'what a waste of money' argument about ANY performance part when $5 worth of nitrous sprayed directly into the intake with make 50hp+
This looks and sounds delicious, and makes a hell of a lot of power while doing it.
I would call the Manifold 'RICE' ... might look good but gives you fuck all performance gain
Good point. IAT’s and coolant temps on that pull where two blocks from the dudes house, not on the freeway or in the canyons or on the track. IAT’s kill my power on the road course but are even worse on the strip in the summer. That dyno pull was performed under ideal not realistic conditions.
The problem with spending 6500$ on an intake manifold is that their are boost kits turbo or supercharger for same or less than that 😂
Over 16 thousand dollars to makes 500+hp in a coyote 😂 people are fucking retarded! On3 TT kits run for a little over 5k
Ever heard of personal preference? I guess not.
You really think something with ITBs revving out to 8k is comparable to throwing a turbo kit on?
ford are for rich people lol, plebs stick to chevies
+damstachizz peak power wasnt till 6900.. you could make that power with a turbo setup at 4000 and still rev out to 8000
I love that you asked real world question like....what was the water temp? lol most people have no clue. keep up the awesome videos!
take 4.6 out of mark 8 Lincoln add 2 turbos , make over 500hp for about 5 grand or less ? FUN
RIGHT, some mk 8's run 10,s, PLUS RIDE AND HANDLE SO GOOD,OWNED 2, BUT STOCK. MOST HI-TECH CAR MADE IN 90'S. COST $40K NEW. IN 96 THEY PUT THAT 4OHC 32 V IN THE MUSTANG COBRA WITH A 30 HP INCREASE,FROM THEN ON IT WAS AN EVOLUTION IN MOTION.
One of the most sexy motors being built today. If I was going to build a ford and I had that much dough I'd go for one.
Do engines without pushrods confuse you?
its called over head cams
Bitter Raven *over the head cams*
+Ryan Lopez OHC over head cams, why is this comment section full of douche bags today picking on petty bullshit
Bitter Raven i guess cams arent the only thing to go over heads. i just thought what i said was funny.
yes good pun
Beautiful intake ......follow your heart and never mind the negative comments.
I have seen another video were they locked out the VVT system, and dyonoed the engine and unlocked the VVT and managed to get better power out of the motor. So if you had the VVT unlocked what would this motor make realistically?
I'm not a big ford guy BUT, that engine setup in a hi end cobra kit car would be fun!
It's Winder GA like you Wind down at the end of the day....
If you're going to live in GA you need to learn this
Finn, the hell with the haters! Love that you aren't just doing the same old stuff! Keep it brother!
That intake doesnt do shit but look good, but imagine that whole setup in the back of the Mazdarati.
Cool vid. Your intro music is the same as on the Simxperience Sim Commander software that controls their motion rig and steering wheel. I really do not know why a bit of sim rig software has music but it is definitely the same as your intro lol
"Wow, you can read the brochure." __ Sean (Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift)
mike, love that you're showcasing GA shops. but you need a microphone setup. the volume is loud, quiet,loud,quiet.
The reason he had the rev limiter set too low is, he is a chevy guy!
You mean the kind of Chevy guy who spins 7800 RPM every weekend, or the 302 chevy guy who spins his crank to 9000 RPM ?
Finnegan is a mopar junkie like his butt buddy fryburger
Very cool video Brother, thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Those aluminators are overkill for a n/a build. They are meant for NO2 or boost. The base coyote crate engine would have been a whole lot cheaper. Plus that intake is also overkill with stock cams.
Looptydude what do aluminators come in ? gt's or only in higher end mustangs like boss modle ?
NA_EddyG they are just crate engines. They are probably in the Cobra Jet mustang but those aren't even street legal.
Looptydude aw interesting. never knew that , thank you sir !
Looptydude ill have yo check that out. i didnt even know they carried different versions. is the standard coyote engine in the gt's come with Forge internals ?
NA_EddyG GT' have hypereutectic pistols and dinky forged I-beam rods while the aluminators have forged mahle pistols and beefier Manley H-beam rods.
Kaase is the man!
You should see if you can get one of these into that 1975 vette.
opl500 agreed. Let the chebby boys know how it feels
BlaspHEMI and a "Coryotte", take that chevy purists lol
Kristopher Klassen he's already got that hemi in the 56 chevy I think this is right up his ally
The ''''chebby boys'' can get more horsepower across the counter without getting their hands dirty or spends countless hours in the dyno room
Ohhh that would piss off a lot of people lmao.
ok that's prolly the best looking ford motor I've ever seen
ITBs are for throttle response, but then he goes and puts an auto behind it? Cmon man...
Andrew Smith stupid 6500$ intake manifold just for looks
excuse me for being dumb, but doesn't dumping ITBs into a plenum defeat the purpose of independent throttle bodies?
I'm not an expert on ITBs but I think it may take away some responsiveness in exchange for driveability like they mentioned
I dont think it does. I think it is just a vacuum accumulator. It isnt actually a plenum. Also of note; snooping through Borlas intake page it looks liek they bought another company (I cannot for the life of me remember the name) and simply put their name on the intakes.
that makes more sense to me....seems it would be silly to have individuals dumping into a common area anyways. Then again, I'm not an engineer, nor that smart. I have heard of plenums pre-itb. However, I can't fathom the expense, complexity, and clearance issues of doing that.
that was great info Mike. thanks for all that. now I want it just cause I like the stack look
I'd like to see one dropped into an Aussie XB hardtop.
I def agree with this lol! would look so good and be so nice to drive!
Fitzy Holden buggered why anyone would though. Any sbf could turn 700hp for what's invested in that stupid ecu and ridiculous manifold. Love Finnigan but would've Loved to have seen any of the Kaase headed pushrod fords instead of this motor. Modulars do nothing for me unless you're talking the harrop supercharged falcons
The thing is so big I doubt it would fit between the spring towers.And 490? Get that plus at rear wheels on a 3V Clevo. With a 4bbl. Which does fit and is still a heavy lump.
The Coyote sounds great but is a huge heavy lump. Go put a healthy 347 in the same car and go faster as the thing will turn!
that engine looks great and im sure its a beast of sharp and fast acceleration with a more lineal power band im very jealous
That's a waste if you can't take advantage of the VVT
carbo19 not if your a ford guy they can't stand it when you tell them. The vvt on a ford was inspired by the Honda k20 head
Danny Silva Not really I love anything that makes good power........ Honda's make GREAT power per liter. When the S2000 came out over 17 years ago with 120 HP per liter and a 9000 RPM rev limit I was REALLY IMPRESSED. And I consider myself a Ford guy.
I'm guessing it's locked to the bigger (high rpm) cam profile. So not a waste of power, but still seems like a lost technology advantage
VVT is toyota, VVL is honda
No no Vtech is honda and VVTI is toyota. That being said you get different forms of Variable valve timing (VVT) applications. Vtec has variable valve timing on both exhaust and intake whereas earlier VVTI applications is intake only (later generations of VVTI switched to both intake and exhaust) and the newer generations of Vtec and VVTI engines also have VVL (variable valve lift) which not only controls cam timing but also controls how far the valves open thus can control the velocity if the incoming air at lower rpm resulting in a higher torque output lower in the rev range and once the engine passes a certain RPM it switches over to a higher valve lift profile so that engine breathes better at higher RPM.
awesome getting to see dyno videos mike!!
Builds a screaming high revving N/A build and sticks a power robbing and fun sucking auto behind it. gosh that's disappointing.
ikr?
This man is obviously just doing whatever the fuck he wants. If he wanted a fast NA build thats actually not the worst idea I have ever heard.
You cannot out shift an automatic trans that these companies are producing these days.
Also locked VVT...wtf?! That guy is definitely not interested in power figures...
Maybe he wants to drag race, where autos run more consistent E.T.'s
Love the Fords. Keep em coming.
You can get a Ford Ecobost 3.0L twin turbo from a Ford Explorer ST that will beat that engine and save a lot of money in mods by using it.
That STACK injection is $6000-$8,500 alone.
Put TT on that 5.0 and it will beat that Eco. lol
Honestly, if the ecm could run the vvt it would make more power, WAY more power. 35-50hp more.
Tristan Wolff, yep, Holley failed here. www.fordnxt.com/news/how-much-power-does-coyote-vct-account-for-aem-answers-the-question/
Nathan K damn, that is sick as fuck, i knew it would make a big difference, but 150 lb-ft at 3700 is crazy
This is why I'm always skeptical of using aftermarket computers. Holley has no idea how this thing works. Keep the original ECU and tweak that.
osp80 you clearly have absolutely no idea. At what revs are you talking? A fully advanced cam might make max hp on good fuel at the top of the power band. But what about 1500rpm? What about 2200rpm? What about 3100rpm? That fully advanced cam is going to die in the arse at those revs! Learn about area under the graph. That and the torque figure win drag races, not hp
or maybe for the men in the bunch,A FUCKING GEAR SHIFT
Great video Mike.
If the VVT is disabled this isn't a very good test
Depends on where they set the cams - full retard wouldn't make a dif from 4500- on up. You might pick up low end torque that you don't usually measure on the dyno with variable cam advance working . So a bit more than two lazy 2.5L toyota camry motors grafted together, About right. That's what this engine is.
The old SOHC 4.6 was 2 Pinto motors :) - Sandy
right on Mike, you ask all the right questions. did i hear the HOLLEY man say 10.000 RPM!?
I'll never understand why people would waste all that money. 11k for a motor with only 435hp? You can build literally any engine for half that and get that power and have cash left over.
Jordan Wiley Sorry for the late response, anyway your comparing a stock engine to a built one, so what happens if you build that 435hp coyote? Well if you highball for the sake of argument let’s say another 8G’s on it, and now let’s lowball it for arguments sake, now with a super charger it’s pushing 700hp(I’ve seen them go 1000), you pay what you get with these engines.
Very cool. Thanks for posting this. Expensive motor, but awesome.
General Motors can't even build a four cam engine Worth running on, probably have somebody else build it for them.
They did that with the LT5. They literally went to Lotus and demanded they build them an engine. Lotus built a badass engine and retooled a bunch of crap to manufacture it. Then GM fucked them over and had someone else build the engines with the tooling Lotus built
Why when they can do more with one cam.
@@meifert2 was it Yamaha that built the SHO motor?
@@willmcmillan2047 the first 3 SHO engines. Yamaha has built a lot of car engines. Most great Toyota engines were built by Yamaja
THEY TRIED WITH THEIR FOR SHIT, NORTH STAR V-8 THAT'D GO BOOM AFTER 30,000-50,000 MILE HA HA HA AND OVER HEAT MORE THAN A HO SMOKING THE C.
You've built a e39 BMW M5 engine, 20 years after it came out-- 5 liter, alu block, 11:1, double overhead cams, ITBs, VVT (once you get that working). Eerily identical.
That is a ton of money for that result, wow
That sounds AMAZING
Put it in the disgustang
great idea.
Snoopy, Yes, with nitrous! 😁
This is a customer motor. The Disgustang is Freiburger's car
Paul Standeven, Thanks for that! 😁👍🏻
Very cool looking set up . Would look absolutely insane in an AC CORBRA .
Sounds insane and spunds smooth threw the RPM range .
All that being said . It's not the most efficient set by any means .
You can have your eight feet of timing chains with plastic tension rails. I'll stick with pushrods.
David Greene well good for you
You'd rather have 10 feet of rebar thrashing back and forth.
But in 16 pieces though. If it ever backfires you are playing Russian roulette. Plastic cam chain tensioner VS push-rod, I'll take the steel option every time thank you. 90deg v engines should at least use some gears in the drive train for the cams to eliminate the opportunitys for wear. With todays technology kevlar cam belts that will be sized to within 0.1mm and stretch very little huge cam chains shouldn't be on anything mass produced. GM hfv6 is just as bad.
Just about every engine in every car and most motorcycles is OHC and I think they do pretty well.
Agreed! Nothing wrong with OHC its just the way it has been implemented on this engine family and others.
Finnegan, you have all of these projects going please make a video where you are moving closer to finishing one of them.
LOL so it made 412hp to the wheels if you calculate 15% drive train lost...
Boss 302 intakes or CJ intake makes close to 440hp... at 7000rpm
Hmmm is this worth 6500? prob not lol
looks cool, prob not worth it.
+SHAWNO Exactly,throw some mufflers and accessories on it and you're looking at maybe 380-390ish,so basically stock with a worse powerband lol.This setup would probably be good on a fully built,high compression engine that turns 8.5-9K,but on a stock engine,well it sure is pretty.
Locking the cams makes ohc engines almost redundant. May as well just build a pushrod motor. And getting rid of fbw is nearly as bad. That's a stupid mod with a dumb ecu. The haltech ecu would've been a far smarter way to go
nobody cares what you think, it's not your money
Not sure about you, but a few folks agree with what I THINK...
Considering I work along side an SCT tuner, and we've tuned almost every combo....
Pretty sure people care what I think ;) care your chapa ass off youtube fuckboy
Nope, We dyno tuned a 5.0 with LT , no cats, 91 octane JLT intake 441 hp 390tq
I'm a Big Ford guy But ....
That is a lot of $$$$$ for an engine that makes 450-490 HP !!!
When my 408 Win Stroker depending on weather temp makes 100 HP more for a lot less money !!
What a waste of money $6500 for a intake that only gives you a 60hp increase, turbo or nitrous set up would of been cheaper and would of got better hp - $ ratio
I would say it wasn't even a 60hp gain.Considering the factory 435hp rating is as it sits in the car with full exhaust and full accessories.The gains here were minimal at best.
Bitter Raven you get throttle response too along with the possibility for stupid simple meth/water spray. it's not all about horse power. Also nitrous kills engines quicker than anything and you won't be running it all the time.
+Berno Bruvn Mikcalson i wouldnt pay $6500 for throttle response and induction noise
But this really does look cooler to be honest.
No such thing as a 60hp gain from a manifold. Stop reading brochures
heyya fin. its my birthday today :) big fan of yours and im a boat mechanic also.
but homie ya need a lil mic kit :) one that sync with ya camera :)
i turn it up loud to hear ya then somethings are loud scares me LOL>
I feel like you have made more horsepower for way cheaper..
People with more sense than money do it all the time. Normally chevy based
dj beard plenty of pushrod fords making this much power with an ecu for less than the cost of the manifold alone. Easily.
There has always been an engine that is the best bang for the buck. Back in my day, it was the good ol' Chevy 350, or just the Chevy small block. Now it's the LS series. There are many ways to make HP & I am in no way saying the Coyote isn't a good motor but, right now, for the cost, you just can't beat the LS.
All those cams for nothing.
Grajeda They locked out the VCT and kept the stock cam grind, so what can you expect.
they locked it out because the ECM didnt have the ability to control the VVT system. they said it in the video..
1320crusier And it's sad that their high end standalone can't do that (they just added vct support for it here recently, after the video was shot, it's in last month's hotrod mag). Stock PCM is king in so many applications (not this one obviously, because of stupid itb's) You miss out on 70hp throughout the curve with VCT disabled. A magazine did a test with an AEM infinity, and with VCT disabled they lost huge numbers everywhere in the curve. You can pick up power without VCT up top, but it requires a wild cam grind and eliminating the cam phasers to save a ton of rotational mass, perfect for a race motor setup like this.
Uh.. the development of software is not as easy as punching a few keyboard keys. I do agree that Stock ECM's are largely the best to go with but that is due to the lag time of the aftermarket. You are essentially using a generation old tech compared to the stock ECM.
AKDMB for that price I can expect a whole lot more. At least 550 crank horsepower.
That is one awesome looking engine!
its pronounced WHINE' DER. SMFH Yankees.
Jim Bennett he's from Georgia how is he a yankee
If you're talking about Finnegan, he's a recent transplant to Georgia. He grew up in California. Of course, here in the deep south, a lot of people (not me) still consider that a yankee. Jim Bennett is correct with the pronunciation, but it's like Houston Street in NYC: you just have to be somewhere long enough to learn the way the locals say it.
Jim Bennett what are you talking about
Jim Bennett in Georgia a wind ( like a breeze) is something you look out of in your house.( SW Georgia)
It’s spelled window
to add a little fuel to the tib vs boost debate. the advantage of ITB is constant high air velocity. the plenum is so small that a really big can will act much smaller, this removes the "powerband". meaning you'll have better power at part throttle. this is better for road racing. road racers do not want the complexity nor the weight of boost. ITB's give you the ability to run a very very aggressive cam but still have usable power in the lower rpm's.
Still take an LS any day.