Strike Eagle® 5-25x56 VS Viper® PST™ Gen II 5-25x50
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- How did the PST™ Gen II 5-25x50 help pave the way for an improved, competition-ready Strike Eagle® 5-25x56? Find out as we take a deep dive into these two long-range optics.
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PLEASE tone down the background music. Levels are way too close to the speaking voice and super distracting and annoying.
Noted - always looking for feedback. Thanks!
Agree- I couldn't get through the video. Way too annoying.
@@VortexOpticsUSA Just lower it or get rid of the music using your video editor and re-upload it please. I want to get the information but music is too loud to hear
The music isn't needed when talking, terrible
Roger Gains i think it's a sweet guitar riff, I'm playing it on my guitar right now. Wee weee wee weee wooo wooo wee weee wee weee weee wee woooo woooo
Love how you were honest and clear about the glass quality
I'm a huge vortex fan and i have 7 of them ranging from a budget diamondback to a razor. I really like this new scope but will never buy one unless production is moved out of china. Even if it was a bit more expensive i just can't support china any more.
My PST gen2 I just got was made in Korea.
@@dmsdmullins mine says Philippines?
But I’m sure China can put what ever they want on their products since they are a shitbag country
@@dmsdmullinsmade in Korea? Did you get a fake?
Glad I got the PST Gen ii 5-25x50 FFP. Thanks for the great video!
This scope looks fantastic and will soon be on one of my rifles. I would like to see an updated PST scope with some of these features like 34mm tube, improved zero stop, etc.
The strike eagle has always had amazing glass can’t wait to get my hands on this 🇺🇸🔥🔥🔥
I have the Strike Eagle 1-6 and 1-8. I like them both. They are perfect for my budget, and they have performed great.
Glad to have this review. Saw the SE in the store the other day for the first time and was more impressed with it over the viper, which I’ve been eyeing for months. And the SE was $200 less! 👍. Long as it helps me reach out and touch some(thing) I’ll be happy!
sounds pretty solid. maybe I could get one in hand for a review?
Stay with the Viper line or above models from Vortex.
Thank you for this video, I am in the market for a scope for my Remington 700 and I am stuck between these 2 scopes.
Did you pick one up yet? I’m stuck between these two as well.
@@Spoons7414 I went with the Viper PST Gen 2 and love it
Man, that background music caused me to have to watch this video again, just to focus on your voice sir. 🤘🏽
You had me at locking turrets.....
Right on!
And zero stop
@@VortexOpticsUSA price reply please help
All that elevation adjustment and that’s the zero stop you decided to put on it? Seems counterintuitive.
So I've almost convinced myself to get the PST Gen II FFP riflescope, but something about the Strike Eagle is slowing me down from fully committing. I like the locking turrets on the Strike Eagle, but I believe once you install the RevStop Zero ring on the Strike Eagle, you are actually limited to fewer MOA of adjustment on the elevation turret than you would have with the PST Gen II. The wider field of view in the Strike Eagle is also enticing. I've been considering the PST Gen II for a considerably long time and have saved up the money for the PST Gen II. So I don't want to just talk myself into the Strike Eagle because it is cheaper.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. With the locking turrets and the wider field of view, why does the PST Gen II still remain considerably more expensive than the Strike Eagle, especially considering the Strike Eagle comes with a throw lever.
Once again, thank you.
Hey Seth - appreciate the question! The PST Gen II will give you more internal adjustment (compared to when you set the zero stop on the Strike Eagle) and a noticeable step up in optical quality as well which results in the higher price tag. Honestly, you can't go wrong with either of those options. How far are you planning on shooting out to?
@@VortexOpticsUSA I live in KY, so most of the hunting will be in wooded areas with maybe 200yds of clearance the majority of the time. I'd say 500 yards at the most for 95% of the shooting.
I would also like to practice out to longer ranges (800-1000 yards), but that would not be the primary focus for me.
I chatted with one of your sales associates on your website today and they turned me on to the Razor HD LHT 3-15x42 and now I'm researching that one too.
Vortex Optics has too many solid options! It's overwhelming! Haha
@@sethturner3245 If your main goal is hunting with the occasional long range shot, the Razor HD LHT would be a fantastic choice! Even with the limit travel on the Strike Eagle after setting the zero stop, all of the optic you mentioned would have no problem reaching those distances on the right setup.
I AM IN THE SAME BOAT...... thinking of Athlon also
You won't regret the pst. It's head and shoulders above a leupold mark 4
What Scope around $800 Dollars which would be around £650.00 UK pounds in our money would you recommend for Rabbit Shooting as I’m getting a new Anschutz 1761 Model .17 HMR Rifle.
@vortexoptics will you ever upgrade the pst Gen 2 scope or is the this range going to be phased out for the strike eagle range?
How much better is the glass on the viper vs the strike eagle
Jason Johnson id like to know as well
The Viper Gen 2 is very clear/sharp and focused. The strike eagle is a bit brighter, but not as clear/sharp.
If I get my way, my current 6.5 diamondback tactical ffp will have to go on my 30-06 and this scope will be atop of my 6.5? This strike eagle reminds me of the ultimate bang for your buck you get like when the diamondback tactical ffp came out.
Strike Eagle has locking turrets with zero stop while Viper PST has zero stop only correct? Could you compare the optical quality of the two? I'm deciding which one to buy
Correct. The PST Gen II has better optical quality for sure, though.
If this scope is as good as the background music, I'd rather use a soda bottle.
On tracking reliability my pst gen 2 is flawless so far and it's been cranked alot. Is the se built the same in that regard bc it don't matter the price or optical quality if it won't track true 100% of the time
Keen to see this here in Aus 👌
Listed on Cleavers already
I'm currently comparing these two scopes for a up and coming 21" 6mm ARC Build that will be used primarily for long range shooting and maybe some hunting in the future. Given that the overall price difference is $300.00 more for me to run the Viper PST Gen 2 5-25x50 FFP. So my question, is it worth the extra $300.00 to get the Viper PST Gen 2 5-25x50 FFP over the Strike Eagle 5-25x56 FFP? Optical quality is also very important to me.
How does the glass compare to a Vortex Viper PA, I very happy with this scope but looking to get into a FFP scope. The Viper PA has been great in low light coyote hunts.
Nice presentation and nice video too thumbs up for you. I dont agree with you when you say 34 mm tube hase more space for elevation, becouse in nowdays we have scope 30mm tube like swfa ss and they have 31 Mrad, Meopta ZD 6-24x56 its 30mm tube but they have 33 MRAD. Also we have 34mm tube and they have only 26 Mrad elevation like Schmidt bender, Kahles, Stainer. Truth is bigest tube you have thats means more lights transmision, better clearity in low lights condition.
There is more that goes into a scope's overall amount of adjustment than scope tube size, as you're pointing out, but all else similar, a larger tube size does give physically more room inside for the erector unit to move around, and therefore can provide more range of adjustment with the right equipment around it. With some advances, a 30mm or smaller tube can have a great deal of adjustment available, but even those scopes could have even more if the tube size were bigger. They would also get bigger and heavier, though, which is a tradeoff some scopes shouldn't make depending on their application. The argument that larger scope tube size allows for more light transmission and better low light performance is a very common misconception. Scope tube size does not correlate to light gathering capabilities or light transmission in any way. The scope tube is just a physical aluminum tube which the optical system lives inside. The optical system and its lenses have everything to do with light transmission and low light performance. A larger scope tube can only give the optical system inside and its mechanicals more room to move around and provide room for an optical system with a bigger field of view if all else is similar.
@@VortexOpticsUSA Are you saying that if all things EQUAL, such as glass quality and lens count in the scope. Both scope has same objective diameter and ocular the bigger tube would NOT appear slightly brighter to user? Is not that equivalent to saying that smaller pinhole would inlet same amount of light a bigger hole would, that is absolutely false.
If glass quality is the same and objective is the same having a larger tube is flawed with what you are saying... That is because the objective lens determine how much light enters the tube... The the bigger dia straw have a shrunken end to match the other straw then the tube that's bigger with the shrunken end will only be able to draw the light that the shrunken end will allow
I'm going to put one on a 6.5 creedmoor. The extra money doesn't matter if I will have this scope for many years. Kinda the whole buy once cry once motto lol. Is it worth it to just bite the bullet and get the pst gen2?
What did you decide, I am now in the same boat
@@daddycox82 I bit the bullet even harder and went with the razor HD Gen 2 lol. And I have zero regrets about that. It's beautiful.
How does the optics of a Gen 1 PST compare to this new Strike Eagle?
Just got my new Strike Eagle 5x24x56. Can you tell me more about what the parallax adjustment knob is all about?
Hey John - the parallax adjustment on the side of your scope is to help with parallax. Parallax is an optical illusion that occurs when you are not perfectly centered behind the riflescope. To check if you are experiencing parallax, simply get behind your riflescope and tilt your head left and right. If you see your reticle move on the target that indicates that you are experience parallax. You would then want to make a slight adjustment to that knob to clear that up.
Looking for a new spotting scope and would love to see a comparison of the Razor HD 11-33x50 vs. the Viper HD 15-45x65. Virtually same price, so glass quality vs. range & FOV.
Thanks!!!!
My Strike Eagle gets to my house tomorrow in the mail. What time is going to get here?!!!!! Haha
I like what you did here... i'm just not partial to 34mm scopes, just my preference.
any future plans on a ffp strike eagle with a 30mm tube?
or an updated 1-8x with ffp?
Thanks for the feedback - anything is possible, but we haven't heard anything like that in the works for the immediate future. Will pass along your input, though. Much appreciated!
which is more durable??? Thanks.
Hi, how much will the Strike Eagle retail for? When will it be available in South Africa?
Soon Viper gen 3 with 34mm tube incoming or what?
Unlikely in the near future.
@@VortexOpticsUSA But why :(
@@VortexOpticsUSA Can you define near future? Perhaps next year? Can you elaborate on any future prototypes or is this hush hush stuff until shot show?
It does take up a "little bit" of that adjustment.
As if going from 110 to 47 is "a little bit"
I have both .
I love all my Vortex optics! Can't wait to try the Strike Eagle.
I picked the Viper PST because it is lighter then the Strike Eagle. Plus the rifle it was going on requires a longer scope. To get the right eye relief. I don’t like the scope ring to have to be right behind the turret. Plus I prefer a scope made in the Philippines.
Asking someone that's seen both or even Vortex themselves, is the PST's glass worth the extra $300?
Absolutely it is.
Directly competing with the night force in features for half the price.
I wonder what would be the load out to use this scope in a nightime situation for hog hunting, just a green spot light to see the animal and you would be able to see your illuminated reticle? Or regular spot light? I would definitely want to make use of the illuminated reticle or otherwise it's just a novelty
Maybe competing in features but certainly not in glass quality.
For your RAZOR GEN III 1-10X24 FFP scope, do you guys have a video that talks in detail about the EBR-9 (Enhanced Battle Reticle)? Are the hash marks in that reticle for 223/556 bullet drop compensation and wind holds?
In the MOA model, the hash marks are calibrated to the 5.56 round as a BDC for holdovers and so are the wind holds. The MRAD model is not a BDC.
Does the scope come with a parallax wheel? Either 75mm or 100mm? If not, are parallax wheels available from Vortex?
Great question! It does not come with a parallax wheel. We do not have any, but we would recommend checking out our friends at www.mkmachining.com for one.
and the Strike Eagle comes out of nowhere and drops it's nutsack on the PST II. 34mm tube, locking turrets, way more adjustment and comes in at almost half the cost! Hate to say it but 34mm over 30 is going to put the pst ii to bed. Unless Vortex is about to drop a new PST iii?
i dont think you understand the importance of glass quality. anything else you can get on a 50$ centerpoint
@@pearlrival3124 🤣
Hi. What is the diopter magnification range on the Strike Eagle® 5-25x56
@Vortexoptics so even with the zero stop engaged this optic has more available travel than the PST, although you cannot use the full range when engaged? New to the game trying to understand all this MOA stuff. Thanks
It very well could, yes. This all depends on where the reticle is positioned inside the scope when you are zeroed. Almost no one is ever perfectly in the center of the scope’s travel so there are things that could limit it, but in a perfect world, even with the zero stop installed, the Strike Eagle would likely have more available travel than the PST Gen II. Not surprising being that it has a 34mm tube and the PST is a 30, though.
I'm more interest on the review products, not the background music! Like everyone saying...annoying! Didn't finish the video!😥
How is the new strike eagle for hunting
The reticle would be a bit much.
When are we going to see a PST gen 3
I'm about to buy a pst and I just want to know if you guys are coming out with a gen 3 version so I dont end up with buyer remorse
I agree... They should release this important information to us
@@kms7852 lol I bought the gen 2 since I saw it on sale and jumped on it
sorry guys but you messed up the PST Gen2 ! i have the Gen1 moa sfp and i mainly bought it because the turrets were just wow and easy to read and the 1/4 moa lines dropped into the fixed slot and so so easy to read, i bought the Gen2 and within 5 mins of shooting i knew i had made a mistake buying it as i can no longer see all the markings on the turrets without my glasses ! not good at all, so the gen2 got sold and i bought another Gen1 and am happy again !
Just hit it with a hammer return it under warranty..
I got both. The pst is a way better scope
Is there a difference in quality of glass between the strike eagle and the diamondback tactical
Hey Jeremy - the Strike Eagle is going to have a bit better glass than our Diamondback Tactical
@@VortexOpticsUSA Diamondback's glass is rather poor quality, so I would hope this to be ok for the price-money. In theory.
What size pmr ring is smallest I can use with a 20moa rail and still have clearance for caps?
That’s strictly based on your rifles bolt design
What is the Vortex Copperhead rifle scope ? I won a rifle and it came with gun, but no TH-cam videos on it. Is this an old scope ?
It's a special for certain retailers and not a main line scope. Basically a Crossfire II with a locking diopter!
@@VortexOpticsUSA What type of warranty does it have ? It came with a gun I won in a raffle thru Ducks Unlimited
If you have a scope for long range and zeroed at 100 or 200 for that matter, why would anyone dial down to 50 yards and care about losing adjustment range when setting zero stop? 5 mil past zero stop is plenty for somebody who can’t think.
The concern is that one loses dialing up range with this zero stop. Granted this scope has a lot to begin with but you can't use it all if you also use the zero stop. It's more likely an issue the longer distance one is shooting.
What’s the adjustment?
1/4” MOA or 1/2”?
1/4 moa
If it’s anything like the glass clarity on the 1-8 strike eagle id definitely stay away from it.
Not a fan of that zero stop setup.
All the elevation built in and you just cut it's nutz off like that. That's just rude.
How do the turrets feel? Are they as positive as the pst
And also how is the tracking in them?
Turrets on the PST have a slightly "Clickier" feel to them, but the Strike Eagles aren't bad at all and are very tactile and audible. As for tracking, that won't be an issue with either of these scopes provided they're set up to spec, and the rifle, ammo and human behind the gun shoot well.
@@VortexOpticsUSA awesome thank you for the reply. I'm gonna be picking one of these up in the next week or two
Probably feel Chinese....
How would the strike eagle stack up to the viper pst gen 1?
Does the PST GEN I have better lens quality than the new Strike Eagle?
The PST Gen I will be a very similar to the Strike Eagle line, but a slight step up optically.
if mrad is metric system, why use yards(not metric) in parallax adjustment?
MRAD in not metric.... it is an angular measurement so yards work fine.
Shirt comes with integrated fly
That’s the new Vortex Gen IX Tactical Wireless Microphone, without it all you would hear is annoying background music in the foreground....
Lmao. That's a microphone
If Cyclops doesn’t review it, I don’t buy it.
Nipple twisterrrrr lol
viper pst in 34mm middletube 5-25x56? mfg
No Flies were hurt in the making of this video.
very top friend I'm following your channel on TH-cam 👏👏👏👏
Which one has better glass??
The Viper PST Gen II will have the better optical system.
@@VortexOpticsUSA ended up buying a athlon ares etr.
This makes me so mad. I just bought the pst gen II and it doesn’t even come with a 34 mm tube
You don’t need it bad enough to run out and buy this. I have 4 Gen IIs, 2 Razor/Razor Gen IIs and numerous other scopes. Run what you bought,
You made a good choice.
I just sincerely hope that the new Strike Eagle is an improvement on the first Strike Eagle model. I had two of the first models and both were just total crap to say the least.
What did you not like about them and which models?
@@itstime5390 I had two brand new 4-24x50 Strike Eagle's. I first one never saw the range as while mounting it , I noted that the reticle moved when any parallax adjustment was made. The second one started out fine, but after +- 30 rounds of 6mm SLR, the reticle also started moving around when the windbags, elevation or parallax knobs were adjusted.
I have the same scope you speak of and its been great i have about 100 rounds of 6.5 through it and no issues dialing elevation and back to zero so far 100 to 675 yards and back
How much elevation adjustment do you lose if you use the zero stop? At first the se seemed like an great option for precision rimfire with shorter ao, but then you mentioned zero stop issue and the much better glass on the pst.
Truthfully not much. From your zero, with the zero stop installed, you get 18 mils or 47 MOA from that point to dial at long range. In an ideal world where you're zeroed in the middle of the scope's travel range, you would run out of scope travel before hitting the limitations of the zero stop. Where it would become a potential limiting factor, though, is if you installed a 20 MOA base, giving yourself a zero in the scope with more potential travel in the scope's overall range. It's highly possible at that point you could be hitting the zero stop's limitation before running out of adjustment in the scope. You'd have to be shooting pretty far with most LR cartridges to need 18 Mils though :)
@@VortexOpticsUSA i am not sure i get you. So if it had 31 MRAD without the zero stop (say 15 mil up 15 mil down), does that reduce to 18 mil total (meaning 9 mil up 9 mil down, if you had a 0MOA base)
@@VortexOpticsUSA I'm useing a gen 2 5x25 pst on a long range 22 with my set up I can dail 69moa on that scope... Scopes on 22lr get dialed a lot because its not a long range round at all.... How hard is it to run this new scope with no zero stop... Or is it possible at all... Thanks
@@stevendoeblien4281 No - try not to confuse how numbers are listed in terms of "Overall travel" vs "Travel from zero". Overall travel is what you're referring to when a scope has, for example, 31 Mlis of adjustment. If you're zeroed in the middle, you'd have 15.5 mils on either side, realistically giving you 15.5 mils of adjustment for long range shooting. In that case, you wouldn't even run into the limitations of the zero stop at all. The Zero stop limits you to 18 mils (Or 47 MOA) in just the one direction, so if you were zeroed in the middle of the scope with 15.5 Mils of adjustment in the one direction you're giong to dial (Gravity only works in one direction) then your scope will actually run out of adjustment well in advance of when the zero stop would have run out.
@@djwhunting4455 22 scope certainly do get dialed a lot. Running this scope without the zero stop is extremely easy. You must be zeroed with your reticle literally all the way at the absolute extreme of the travel range somehow? If you have 69 MOA available to dial, the scope from top to bottom has 70 MOA, so you've got to have some sort of canted base or something to be getting way up there? If you were zeroed more towards the middle of that scope's range which is far more common, you'd then have 35 MOA to dial (Half of 70). With the Strike Eagle, there's 110 MOA of overall adjustment available. If you're zeroed more towards the middle, that will give you 55 in either direction. The zero stop would limit you to 47 MOA, so you wouldn't get to use the full 55 (In this perfect world scenario where you're zeroed right in the middle of the travel) but 47 MOA is still a lot of adjustment!
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So can anyone who has both give some feedback? Is the PST worth the extra $300 dollars?
Is a slightly better glass quality worth $300 to you? It’s not worth it for me. However, the Strike Eagle is made in China. It’s worth the extra $300 to not support China and instead, the Philippines.
How much travel exactly does the rev stop ring take up?
It brings it down to 47 MOA, or 18 MRAD. This is down from 110 MOA, or 31 MRAD. So basically using the zero stop negates the standout feature of this scope. Not great at all.
@@Dustysa4 I agree. Ordered it before I leaned that. Was Looking to use it on a 22lr Precision were we need to dial it up.(110MOA) So the only way is not to use Zero Stop ??? Not sure why the did that makes no sense to me ???
@@Steve-dx5jq
Think I'll go with the Athlon midas tac 5-25x56 34mm.
@@Dustysa4 wouldnt that be the case only when using straight rail and zeroed dead in the center of the range ? If you use lets say 20MOA rail and or have to zero below the center you wouldnt you gain that adjustment on top of the range you mention ?
@@Asghaad Yes, it's going to depend largely on each individual setup.
So... which one is made in America?
Leupold
Night Force, the top end of US Optics, trijicon, top end Burris, Leupold and there's a few more.
I shoot for NF and will tell you to buy NF but not just because they provide my optics and write me checks. NF optics are as good as good gets... Even the SHV models are world class scopes and priced very well for how good they are.
OMG that music is so distracting...so bad..
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How much?
$699 in most retailers
Vortex Optics wow. Then which one should I go for then?
Shut up and take my money!
If you would like to see your product featured in videos on top of $3000-$5000 rifles drop me a line vortex i love your stuff . I own quite a bit already .
Really wanted to listen, found the background music super annoying and distracting.
Except the zero stop, the pst is better.
Can't hear a word you are saying. 🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎶🎵
I am on 2X speed and understood every word fine, but I agree it would be better without music.
So where exactly is this scope manufactured? China? I hope not as i have just ordered one and loath the Chinese made junk.
Vortex scopes are made in china as far as I know.
My Razor Gen II box says Made in Japan. Viper PST Gen I box says Made in Philippines. Diamondback Tactical say Made in China.
@@donniebob3 My PST gen 2 box says made in phillippines so you're correct
STOP THE MUSIC
Annoying music 🎶
What to do next vortex? Answer: razor ht 3-18, 4-20, 5-25x50 but offer in sfp and moa. Capped windage, no illumination, locking elevation turret, zero stop. You got enough ffp mrad junk for sale. Stop marketing ffp as "hunting" scopes they simply are not useful to 90% of hunters!
The music sucks. What a horrible presentation. Vortex needs to hire a production assistant.