For some reason US wrestling coaches are often very skeptical of throws they don’t know like judo throws and they discourage them. If you use the right ones it can make you much more versatile and you will have the ability to attack without risk like this throw
Yeah I don't understand that at all. If you don't know something then just learn about it. Especially if you have kids you're responsible for the develop of and they trust you to help get them to whatever goals they may have
It’s because most of our wrestlers without Greco backgrounds can’t rely on throws like this as a primary move. They get put to their back too much by doing it wrong
@@RogerPackI did throws similar to this in folkstyle fairly often. Just have to be good at them, they’re definitely underrated but if a folkstyle wrestler is going to do these and doesn’t know how hardly they gotta practice it A LOT
I've been following your channel for awhile man. Huge fan. I've been wrestling since I was 3yrs old, D1, all that jazz, and you repeatedly improve my game. I teach my students many of the techniques I come into contact with by way of your channel. I thought I knew wrestling, but you have a keen eye for unique, interesting, and under-studied techniques and are able to break them down in digestible, fun ways. Much appreciation from Michigan!
I've been showing my son a lot of his videos to improve his senior season. We've been focusing on strength and cardio now but with a week to go we're gonna start with more videos. How bout those Wolverines 45-23 Ohio state. Good luck to your team and have a blessed day.
Finally!!. A lat drop proponent. Yes it's a lat drop not a hip toss, it's just done more w the tricep from the over. Many thanks for posting. Keepem coming. Cudos from District XI (PA)
Iranian Spider-Man be Killin the game with this move. His 4 point stance alone is to be talked about. This also reminds me of Hassan Yazdani's standing whip over or rakabi
@@WilliamsWrestlin I assume most of my viewers do, but when you said Rakabi I was sure. He focuses more on Instagram now than YT, but I understand why because the long videos can take a lot to make
Glad you showed other people hitting the move Amouzadkhali has a pretty unique build and stance so I don't know how easy is would be to replicate anything he does.
Iranian Lat Drop was a term coined by Mike Mal (I think) awhile back. I see it as more of a drop whip-over, but I guess that’s why he added “Iranian” in front of it to show that it’s different from a regular lat drop.
hi, iranian here, Lat in farsi means "kool" this technique is called (kool andaz) meaning lat drop or lat throw, i think mike mal actually asked the meaning from an iranian wrestler because its right on the money
The over under tie is a 50/50 position. The single biggest factor is knowing how to keep dominant shoulder position. The Iranian clearly has a superior feel for his opponents pressure.
Hi I really appreciate this video, it’s very informative and well made - however do you know where I can find a tutorial for this move? I can’t find anything when I look up “Iranian lat drop” 😥
@@earnyourgold Yea, now that I think about it more, hip toss isn't right, you are right that it is more of a whip. In Judo there are 2 hip toss like throws, o goshi and uki goshi, it is more like the later. in any case, I enjoy the content
So how to defend/counter this? A detail that seems very important is head position. The Iranian wants to have his opponent's head on the back of the shoulder of his underhooking arm. That is the position he creates in nearly every throw, and it gives him great leverage to whip and turn the guy. But look at the takedown starting at 8:02 (against Iuna Fafe of Guinea-Bissau). Initially, when the Iranian gets the underhook, the opponent's head is under him, and he doesn't go for the move. But he works to get his own head under and his opponent's head onto his underhooking shoulder, and when he achieves the position, he almost immediately goes for the throw and succeeds. Against an opponent that likes this move, I think that fighting to get your head under his chin is key in neutralizing the throw. He is is less likely to go for it, and if he does, he's almost giving you the armspin or the fireman's (provided the other arm is free; I'd would go for a thumb block on the opposite bicep rather than trying to grab a weak underhook on the opposite side). Also, let's appreciate the dominant position Amouzadkhalili gets. Theoretically, the over-under is a symmetrical and "even" position, but the Iranian always has a strong/deep underhook while preventing his opponent from getting a good underhook on the opposite side.
Follow up comment: I just watched the rematch between Rahman Amouzadkahlili and Yianni Diakomihalis (th-cam.com/video/VusOj4urXKQ/w-d-xo.html). Multiple times, the Iranian gets a deep right side underhook, but almost every time, Yianni gets his head under (and generally puts his other hand on the mat). Doing this almost completely neutralizes the "Iranian lat drop/knee drop whip-over". He only attempts it once, and is unsuccessful. The one time that Amouzadkahlili gets the deep underhook and Yianni does NOT get his head under (8:25), the Iranian hits a throw by into dogfight/seatbelt and eventually threatens the back and gets a pushout point. I feel even more sure now that head position is key in defending this move. Of course, keeping your head under against an underhook has pros and cons (the underhooker can often transition to front headlock, for instance), but that's the case with everything. Side note: Yianni hit two beautiful duckunders while Amouzadkahlili was digging hard for the underhook, using his aggression against him (although the iranian was able to scramble and defend one of them and score a crotch lift). Just goes to show that there's a give and take in every move/position.
dude on one of my recent instagram post there are a bunch of judoka who can't agree whether the move in the video is an osoto gari/osoto gake or an harai goshi. I was so confused
@@earnyourgold I knew as soon as I watched it there’d be some of that. In our defense the difference between a side ways Osoto and a Harai thrown to the outside is a very fine one,,like splitting a fine hair.
If you attempt the drop whip and it doesn’t work but you still put them out of position like at 5:13, it looks like you could headhunt with your overhook arm and send your underhook hand to his far hip for a cowcatcher. Similar to what Austin O’Connor does from top position. Reasonable assessment?
Two generations before you were born this was Andre Supron's of Poland move in Greco-Roman. Supron was something like a 16X world champion but never higher than a Silver in the Olympics. Unfortunately there is not much video from that Era maybe some film.
Look up wrestling hand fighting. Look up wrestling posture and head position. You need to learn to stay in good positions and to feel comfortable entering and exiting the tie. Make sure to do a lot of stance and motion and drill shots. Remember heel, foot, knee. That should be how you enter a shot. Good luck man.
What these guys said. Get the basics down first. Make sure to develop a good feet-to-back move before Districts however. Don’t make the mistake a lot of kids make and once they learn a throw then they don’t want to do anything else. That will stop you from progressing as a wrestler
I think most important technical aspect here it’s not about the rakabi ,the most important technical detail here it’s about avoiding,defending,and counterattack the HUNDERHOOKS CONTROL ,that’s the 🗝 if you don’t have the control you cannot work in whatever technique you wants the same with Yasdany they have been building a hunderhook system working with this type or kind of control years after year they know how your opponent react and working on it .But the most important thing it’s about to establish and keep the hunderhooks control
Do you think this move would be as effective if used in a more upright position, like over under in folk style? I usually don’t see people arched down as low as them unless they are trying to get out of the position.
I tried drilling this on my friend and the torque on my shoulder with my underhook is insane because of the upper body torque… it hurts lol and I don’t have an pre existing injury. Is this normal or am I missing a key detail?
Technically this shouldn't cause shoulder injury. It is hard to tell without seeing what you are doing. My guess is your underhook is either not deep enough or your contact is not clean. Close the gap between the underhook arm and make sure its always maintains connection with his lat & armpit. Remember your goal is to take away the opponent's balance by dragging his right arm and not letting him post while blocking his body/lat with yours so he can't turn away from you. This should not put too much pressure on your shoulder.
I don't even wrestle but this move is amazing I love japanse moves sumo stuff ....ur right this move to me is sumi otoshi... Or a variation of the founder of judo favorite move this is uki otoshi..... What ur calling a lat throw looks like a hip throw but I know it's not his hips not even touching its all about hand position under hook pinched over hook high .....brh look into jigrou Kano the. Founder of judo it will improve wrestling it seems I appreciate this video hope my advice helps as well .... Ps ..... I don't know any wrestling points either my bad
it seems like this move can at the very least be a great sequence starter for chain wrestling, i can see the Iranian lat transition into a underhooks throwby to a knee pick etc etc etc. all this offensive potential with minimal risk is almost cheating LOL
he mixes the under hook with push forward and waits for the opponent to push back.if the opponent doesn't push back he will eventually go off the mat .and the moment he back he will fall to the drop tech.
Yes, I agree. Iranian Lat Drop is more effective with Freestyle takedowns than folkstyle because of one point step out rule. The opponent is being pressured to back up and risk stepping out of bounds. “Hearing their horns, I sensed I was in trouble” Hahaha Thanks for showing the best wrestlers and showcasing and coaching their top scoring moves.
I’ve heard of him. Cornell commit. I’ve never watched any of his matches though. Thanks for the name drop. I’ll watch them if YT or Flo has them posted
That's exactly my point. You can't really spam regular lat drops like that. They're risky and once the kid knows it's coming then it's a lot harder to do
This move is the same motion as the Russian wrist snap Islam hit on the hs wrestler. Instead of the wrist swinging out and under he attaches his body and swings his hips to create the required momentum to thrown him out of his center of gravity it’s slick af tbh th-cam.com/video/krMuiccy_dQ/w-d-xo.html
Cool move but in no way a lat drop. It's completely different positioning and executed in a completely different manner. Much closer to a hip toss without doing a full backstep.
A lat drop use to apply to more than what it’s referred to today (referring to the one Kenny Monday did). I already addressed this in the comments as well. I don’t care about the name. Just the technique
@@earnyourgold have you taken up any interest In sumo wrestling? I find it to be incredibly undervalued as a learning tool for positioning, balance, and weight distribution.
Look up "te guruma" that would be a devastating 2nd attempt move
Yes it would
Thank you. I just watched a few videos on it. Are you thinking the guy should duck to his underhook side or his overhook side?
@@earnyourgold duck the under, slide underhand to leg, keep over tight , spin him like a wheel!
Same as a Metzger, right?
@@michiel5160 no metzger is the over to inside crotch, te is under to behind him
For some reason US wrestling coaches are often very skeptical of throws they don’t know like judo throws and they discourage them. If you use the right ones it can make you much more versatile and you will have the ability to attack without risk like this throw
Yeah I don't understand that at all. If you don't know something then just learn about it. Especially if you have kids you're responsible for the develop of and they trust you to help get them to whatever goals they may have
Maybe it's the folkstyle vs freestyle mentality but yeah...
Correct. Because a lot of coaches don’t teach throws, most wrestlers are unable to counter throws. “Just throw baby”
It’s because most of our wrestlers without Greco backgrounds can’t rely on throws like this as a primary move. They get put to their back too much by doing it wrong
@@RogerPackI did throws similar to this in folkstyle fairly often. Just have to be good at them, they’re definitely underrated but if a folkstyle wrestler is going to do these and doesn’t know how hardly they gotta practice it A LOT
I've been following your channel for awhile man. Huge fan. I've been wrestling since I was 3yrs old, D1, all that jazz, and you repeatedly improve my game. I teach my students many of the techniques I come into contact with by way of your channel. I thought I knew wrestling, but you have a keen eye for unique, interesting, and under-studied techniques and are able to break them down in digestible, fun ways. Much appreciation from Michigan!
I've been showing my son a lot of his videos to improve his senior season. We've been focusing on strength and cardio now but with a week to go we're gonna start with more videos. How bout those Wolverines 45-23 Ohio state. Good luck to your team and have a blessed day.
This comment means a lot man, especially coming from someone who's pretty involved in wrestling content and technique
You two are the combo. The Goats of wrestling on TH-cam.
two legends
Finally!!. A lat drop proponent. Yes it's a lat drop not a hip toss, it's just done more w the tricep from the over. Many thanks for posting. Keepem coming. Cudos from District XI (PA)
Iranian Spider-Man be Killin the game with this move. His 4 point stance alone is to be talked about. This also reminds me of Hassan Yazdani's standing whip over or rakabi
You watch DPS Breakdowns?
@@earnyourgold absolutely
@@WilliamsWrestlin I assume most of my viewers do, but when you said Rakabi I was sure. He focuses more on Instagram now than YT, but I understand why because the long videos can take a lot to make
Glad you showed other people hitting the move Amouzadkhali has a pretty unique build and stance so I don't know how easy is would be to replicate anything he does.
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These videos are perfect for those that were/are good at wrestling.
Wrestling coach here love the content keep it up. Can’t wait to show my team and son this move
Iranian Lat Drop was a term coined by Mike Mal (I think) awhile back. I see it as more of a drop whip-over, but I guess that’s why he added “Iranian” in front of it to show that it’s different from a regular lat drop.
Yeah this has much more of a pancake feel
hi, iranian here, Lat in farsi means "kool" this technique is called (kool andaz) meaning lat drop or lat throw, i think mike mal actually asked the meaning from an iranian wrestler because its right on the money
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Always appreciated! Keep em coming
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The over under tie is a 50/50 position. The single biggest factor is knowing how to keep dominant shoulder position. The Iranian clearly has a superior feel for his opponents pressure.
Absolutely
Thank you for this and the Osoto Gari video 👍👍
No problem
And apparently it’s actually Harai Goshi
These videos are sick! Great work!
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Fantastic videos and breakdown sir!
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Another great video
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Great content! Love these videos
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Great vids! Thank you :)
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He should put his right leg in front of the opp legs while turning .. it will be a textbook tai otoshi .. and it would work 10x better
Amazing videos man
Thank you
Hi I really appreciate this video, it’s very informative and well made - however do you know where I can find a tutorial for this move? I can’t find anything when I look up “Iranian lat drop” 😥
Thanks for the video, I was taught this by ed giese, it is more of a drop hip toss than lat drop
It is honestly. I call it a drop whip over. I just used the name I first heard and Lat Drop always get clicks on YT
@@earnyourgold Yea, now that I think about it more, hip toss isn't right, you are right that it is more of a whip. In Judo there are 2 hip toss like throws, o goshi and uki goshi, it is more like the later. in any case, I enjoy the content
Love the shot counter
So how to defend/counter this? A detail that seems very important is head position. The Iranian wants to have his opponent's head on the back of the shoulder of his underhooking arm. That is the position he creates in nearly every throw, and it gives him great leverage to whip and turn the guy. But look at the takedown starting at 8:02 (against Iuna Fafe of Guinea-Bissau). Initially, when the Iranian gets the underhook, the opponent's head is under him, and he doesn't go for the move. But he works to get his own head under and his opponent's head onto his underhooking shoulder, and when he achieves the position, he almost immediately goes for the throw and succeeds. Against an opponent that likes this move, I think that fighting to get your head under his chin is key in neutralizing the throw. He is is less likely to go for it, and if he does, he's almost giving you the armspin or the fireman's (provided the other arm is free; I'd would go for a thumb block on the opposite bicep rather than trying to grab a weak underhook on the opposite side).
Also, let's appreciate the dominant position Amouzadkhalili gets. Theoretically, the over-under is a symmetrical and "even" position, but the Iranian always has a strong/deep underhook while preventing his opponent from getting a good underhook on the opposite side.
Follow up comment: I just watched the rematch between Rahman Amouzadkahlili and Yianni Diakomihalis (th-cam.com/video/VusOj4urXKQ/w-d-xo.html). Multiple times, the Iranian gets a deep right side underhook, but almost every time, Yianni gets his head under (and generally puts his other hand on the mat). Doing this almost completely neutralizes the "Iranian lat drop/knee drop whip-over". He only attempts it once, and is unsuccessful. The one time that Amouzadkahlili gets the deep underhook and Yianni does NOT get his head under (8:25), the Iranian hits a throw by into dogfight/seatbelt and eventually threatens the back and gets a pushout point. I feel even more sure now that head position is key in defending this move. Of course, keeping your head under against an underhook has pros and cons (the underhooker can often transition to front headlock, for instance), but that's the case with everything.
Side note: Yianni hit two beautiful duckunders while Amouzadkahlili was digging hard for the underhook, using his aggression against him (although the iranian was able to scramble and defend one of them and score a crotch lift). Just goes to show that there's a give and take in every move/position.
To me this is more of a drop knee hip throw than a lateral drop, but us Judoka are famous for hair splitting in regards to naming throws.
dude on one of my recent instagram post there are a bunch of judoka who can't agree whether the move in the video is an osoto gari/osoto gake or an harai goshi. I was so confused
@@earnyourgold The leg hook video you made I assume?
@@JudoMateo yeah
@@earnyourgold I knew as soon as I watched it there’d be some of that. In our defense the difference between a side ways Osoto and a Harai thrown to the outside is a very fine one,,like splitting a fine hair.
@@earnyourgoldLmfaooo that happens constantly
great stuff here
Thank you
If you attempt the drop whip and it doesn’t work but you still put them out of position like at 5:13, it looks like you could headhunt with your overhook arm and send your underhook hand to his far hip for a cowcatcher. Similar to what Austin O’Connor does from top position. Reasonable assessment?
"The underhook is strong with Amouzad."
- Yoda -
Gold, thank you
If I am right leg leading is it bad to this with the left side underhook
Two generations before you were born this was Andre Supron's of Poland move in Greco-Roman. Supron was something like a 16X world champion but never higher than a Silver in the Olympics. Unfortunately there is not much video from that Era maybe some film.
Great video!
Thanks
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This guy is awesome 👌 👏 👍 😍 rahman
meyer shapiro also does this really well
Is this move the same as Ali Shabanau's throw by? I'm probably missing a detail or two
The move he hit @8:35 is the same as Ali Shabanau’s. The Iranian Lat Drop is a tad bit different
I’m doing HS wrestling for the first time this year. What are some moves/tactics that r a must learn? i’m def gonna learn this move
Look up wrestling hand fighting. Look up wrestling posture and head position. You need to learn to stay in good positions and to feel comfortable entering and exiting the tie. Make sure to do a lot of stance and motion and drill shots. Remember heel, foot, knee. That should be how you enter a shot. Good luck man.
Can’t stress enough the importance of hand fighting, movement, and cardio
What these guys said. Get the basics down first. Make sure to develop a good feet-to-back move before Districts however. Don’t make the mistake a lot of kids make and once they learn a throw then they don’t want to do anything else. That will stop you from progressing as a wrestler
I think most important technical aspect here it’s not about the rakabi ,the most important technical detail here it’s about avoiding,defending,and counterattack the HUNDERHOOKS CONTROL ,that’s the 🗝 if you don’t have the control you cannot work in whatever technique you wants the same with Yasdany they have been building a hunderhook system working with this type or kind of control years after year they know how your opponent react and working on it .But the most important thing it’s about to establish and keep the hunderhooks control
Could this be effective from a pinch headlock?
YES! I'm excited because I actually found of a clip of it being used that way by pure luck
@@earnyourgold good, will definitely try that.
Tumur Ochir is also good at this.
I find the name pretty strange, totally different move than your usual lat drop.
Yeah FloWrestling coined it awhile back. Original title was going to be “Iranian Lat Drop/Drop Whip-Over”
And thank you for the name drop. Going to add him to the list of people to do a study on
could you follow up a failed attempt to a cement mixer?
Could you limp arm/go behind? Or is it better to keep the underhook and try the lat drop again?
Do you think this move would be as effective if used in a more upright position, like over under in folk style? I usually don’t see people arched down as low as them unless they are trying to get out of the position.
I think so but if not I would just go to another move from the over/under. There are so many
Zhamalov hits a similar technique from the under-over position with his hands locked
Can you please comment a link to a video of him doing it if you one
I tried drilling this on my friend and the torque on my shoulder with my underhook is insane because of the upper body torque… it hurts lol and I don’t have an pre existing injury. Is this normal or am I missing a key detail?
I'm sorry. I'm not able to say what exactly is going wrong
@@earnyourgold No worries
Technically this shouldn't cause shoulder injury. It is hard to tell without seeing what you are doing. My guess is your underhook is either not deep enough or your contact is not clean. Close the gap between the underhook arm and make sure its always maintains connection with his lat & armpit. Remember your goal is to take away the opponent's balance by dragging his right arm and not letting him post while blocking his body/lat with yours so he can't turn away from you. This should not put too much pressure on your shoulder.
Great 👍
I don't even wrestle but this move is amazing I love japanse moves sumo stuff ....ur right this move to me is sumi otoshi... Or a variation of the founder of judo favorite move this is uki otoshi..... What ur calling a lat throw looks like a hip throw but I know it's not his hips not even touching its all about hand position under hook pinched over hook high .....brh look into jigrou Kano the. Founder of judo it will improve wrestling it seems I appreciate this video hope my advice helps as well .... Ps ..... I don't know any wrestling points either my bad
is this the same as Rakabi ?
Nice, seems like the opponent doesn't have an easy counter move available?
Exactly. I've been trying to think of what the counter would be. The best thing I could think of is attacking with the over/under before he can
What’s the difference betwin a whip over ?
it seems like this move can at the very least be a great sequence starter for chain wrestling, i can see the Iranian lat transition into a underhooks throwby to a knee pick etc etc etc. all this offensive potential with minimal risk is almost cheating LOL
Is this like a drop throw bu
he mixes the under hook with push forward and waits for the opponent to push back.if the opponent
doesn't push back he will eventually go off the mat .and the moment he back he will fall to the
drop tech.
Yes, I agree. Iranian Lat Drop is more effective with Freestyle takedowns than folkstyle because of one point step out rule. The opponent is being pressured to back up and risk stepping out of bounds.
“Hearing their horns, I sensed I was in trouble”
Hahaha
Thanks for showing the best wrestlers and showcasing and coaching their top scoring moves.
if you watch meyer shapiro at worlds and cadets he hit this move alot
I’ve heard of him. Cornell commit. I’ve never watched any of his matches though. Thanks for the name drop. I’ll watch them if YT or Flo has them posted
@@earnyourgold it’s on flo wrestling july 19-20 2021 and april 24-25 2021 he hit this move many times in these matches
its called in Iran: PIche - Kamar.
Looks like a whip around to me
Just read the comments 😂
When I teach a lat drop I tell the kids you only got one chance at it during a match
I love under hooks... I have a series from head on same side as underhook with ankle pics and high crotches
That's exactly my point. You can't really spam regular lat drops like that. They're risky and once the kid knows it's coming then it's a lot harder to do
Underhook with head position is usually a high crotch for me. Underhook and the other guy having head position usually means throw-by
It's definitely the only throw I regularly attempt. But since u wrestle heavier guys I tend to not get it
Wow
Bro took spamming to a whole new level 😭
This move is the same motion as the Russian wrist snap Islam hit on the hs wrestler.
Instead of the wrist swinging out and under he attaches his body and swings his hips to create the required momentum to thrown him out of his center of gravity it’s slick af tbh
th-cam.com/video/krMuiccy_dQ/w-d-xo.html
This was Andrej Supron's big move.
It also would get you away from knees in MMA
Aw hell nah they added spamming to wrestling 💀😭😭
😂
That ain’t a lat drop. It’s a knee drop whip over. Great vid though.
I feel like if it doesn’t work you could go right to faking a mixer and then body lock throw. Like Kyle Dake and Austin Gomez did.
I have trained with Rahman in Tehran. It’s not just about his brilliant mind and technique. His endurance kills you. He attacks all the time
Cool move but in no way a lat drop. It's completely different positioning and executed in a completely different manner. Much closer to a hip toss without doing a full backstep.
A lat drop use to apply to more than what it’s referred to today (referring to the one Kenny Monday did). I already addressed this in the comments as well. I don’t care about the name. Just the technique
@@earnyourgold have you taken up any interest In sumo wrestling? I find it to be incredibly undervalued as a learning tool for positioning, balance, and weight distribution.
You need to look again ..everything is a hip toss...its more than that
Rahman cheated
Still won
Iranian style 🇮🇷🦁👏
It’s like a head and arm but under position !! Simple