Snapdragon just obsoleted Intel and AMD
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0:00 The best kind of Sponsorship
0:50 What is Snapdragon X?
2:00 Software Compatibility
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Why is arm censored lmao
Iirc arm is suing qualcomm cuz nuvia acquisition
@@its_momo_5995 ahhh. thanks. had to search the article and while typing the url i wondered if it was because of "windowsexperience". I guess they were well paid as Linus said at the start.
@@its_momo_5995I hope arm wins
@@its_momo_5995doesn't really answer tho. I doubt Qualcomm is pretending the Oryon cores are not ARM. That'd be spectacularly stupid.
In fact, in the open case, Qualcomm alleges that it has the right licence from ARM to cover their production
I asked myself the same exact thing, seems like maybe Qualcomm doesn't want them to be called that?
Legends say that if you say “Arm” three times into a mirror a Qualcomm executive will haunt you for the rest of your life
I thought it was Clive Sinclair.
(people who watched MicroMen get the joke)
@@KillaBitz and older nerds
@@KillaBitz anyone who does not get the joke, is probably the sort to call people boomer, and think they're clever, even they don't know what a baby boomer is and can't come close to identifying them by age. And impossibly ignorant to boot. How can you be a gamer and not know who Clive Sinclair is? They'll be thinking Prince of Persia doing a 2D game is a novel idea next.
Anyone who gets offended by being called a boomer isn't worth listening to @@jonevansauthor
You know it's a sponsored ad when you get the "Microsoft says it will be ok" line.
Recalls local store is already hacked and Microsoft turned it default off, I heard. So maybe they mean that kind of ok. It’s ok if you don’t use it.
Well.... That is what Microsoft said, he didn't say it as a fact, he was quite clear about the function, you seem to be desperate to interpret that in a negative way, in a sponsored video not sponsored by Microsoft...
As long as we can manually turn it off...and get an update to Bleachbit/CCleaner to wipe it clean anyway.
@@tau4333 Hacked puts it lightly. Microshit fucked up by not encrypting any of the data collected by recall.
@@jfk4229 I guess MS did that because they realized, that there is no way to encrypt it on device in userspace without a hacker getting access.
That was a very long ad.
😂😂
For those un-aware, the censored word is ARM (ie ARM company)
ARM has sued Qualcomm for some patents infringement, Nuvia (these X elite chips were designed by this company) acquisition by Qualcomm and other legal things.
PS: ARM, recently a public company, is now thinking of making full chips themselves as well, instead of just licensing its base design, to Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, ... (basically, to anyone who wants) and they can do anything with it.
Maybe, ARM is jealous
@@shre6619 ultimately if they start rejecting licenses to those companies and make their own chips, the full force of 'anti-competition' will strike down to stop them. I'm not worried.
Cool! So theyr new chip isn't just a shit AI Chillbox, it's also a crime!
@@shre6619 Arms whole business is IP so makes sense for them to defend it if they feel Qualcomm used stuff without permission
Just going to remind everyone that it is innocent until proven guilty hahahah, these companies will sue eachother for years and years over such tiny details. Its not that deep.
Linus drops things. Linus fires Colton. Colton drops Linus. Colton's revenge is sweet.
I thought it was more like Linus dropped himself
Revenge is best served Colt-on.
I am just shocked that Colton got a trip to Taipei on the LMG dime.
Yvonne inherits LMG.
I am guessing that no Linus were hurt in the shooting of this vidéo was not writen.
I love that 90% of the supported apps were electron apps.
Wooo, gotta find a way to upsell more RAM.
they'd be supported anyway with any of the supported browsers lol
@@theJesaiThat is the joke
Not even that, some are just straight up websites (without being bundled as an Electron app).
I hate that all modern apps are just electron... You need 1GB to run slack. A chat!
“Sponsored”, you mean an advert?
every video on this channel is advert so you can watch ad while watching ad
Interesting to see Qualcomm required them to blur out and not talk about arm, the architecture these chips run. Huh.
very lawyerized video, idk how they got all these changes done so fast. including some weird disclaimer @ 10:30 because "Qualcomm" is different than Qualcomm Technologies and/or it's subsidiaries. Odd. I find the company to be over-lawyerized, and over-proprietary.
My guessis that the blur ha more to do with Qualcomm layers and more to do with trying to avoid anything that could slow the serving of the video on yt, such as references to "guns"
Doubt Qualcomm is pretending the Oryon cores are not ARM. That'd be spectacularly stupid.
In fact, in the open case, Qualcomm alleges that it has the right licence from ARM to cover their production
Maybe they haven't yet paid the ARM licensing fees on those devices yet because they haven't yet sold any due to them not being for sale? Big companies usually have pretty restrictive development licensing terms.
@@mrlithium69the disclaimer is simply saying that the word “Qualcomm” refers to the overarching company and its subsidiaries. Being “over-lawyerized” just means making smart legal decisions
They would never have to worry about that if they went with RISC-V instead...
Linus gets strong ARMed, into blurring ARM, while ARM wrestling a fired employee
Stop
@@sanji663 No, continue
@@sanji663 to the ARMoury, we duel at dawn ARMore
the web camera always being on seems like a big security concern
Just tape it up
@@williamwatitwa3534or use a nother os if your feeling paranoid
Yeah, you’ll have to smash it or tape it and do the same for audio input
@@AnonymousQwerty yeah but we shouldnt have to do that there should be an option to just terminate power to a camera/mic.
Ok, but how on earth do you manually disable an integrated microphone in a laptop without breaking it apart or storing it in a soundproof case.
(SnapDragon) Qualcomm makes intel and AMD obsolete. Brought to you by Qualcomm.
Not anytime soon, without developers supporting ARM with Windows will flop…..again
Maybe if Microsoft would bother to make Windows truly multi-architecture compatible but, until then, this is just a party trick.
This felt like the longest ad Segway of all time
Ad
Because it is an ad for snapdragon. Like everything sponsored or monetized
Segue*
I think Segway is out of business.
The whole video felt like an add
I like how arm is censored in the title of the article but not censored in the url 🤣
You can't censor your source.
@@Jehty_who says
@@Jehty_media does it all the time, they'll even invent sources
I don’t think the issue is the mention of Arm, but rather the use of the protected brand. As in, they’re not trying to hide their existence, but rather prevent liability.
Hadn't watched a single LTT video after the scandal, decided to give them a chance and turns out I just watched a freaking ad. My fault. Not gonna happen again.
5:47 did you just tell everyone that this laptop watches you at all times?
Exactly, they provide security by constantly watching you and what you do just to draw some cats from sketches. Btw everything is stored on device on the first iteration, next patch the switch will be ON by default to send it to the cloud.
@@Marine5D it's already changed to be off by default, amongst a bunch of other changes due to obvious backlash. People get their panties in a bunch over stuff that can just be disabled...or is going to be disabled by default.
People read something, get outraged, and then refuse to update their info as things evolve lol @@AndrewPL5
Until it can't be disabled... Look at windows telemetry for example which can't be properly disabled unless you have enterprise license.
@@AndrewPL5The problem is it might not stay like that forever. Just like how newer Windows defender keeps turning back on after being disabled, which wasnt like that in Windows 7
Why did you blur the word "Arm"?
I'm wondering if it was a joke because they didn't blur it in the url shown on screen at the same time
Sponsored videos are weird with mentioning other companies
arm is a term for a gun. could be an ad revenue issue if it got auto flagged
Qualcomm is currently in a lawsuit with ARM over alleged patent infringement.
@@backwardseagle LOL, no.
I’m so glad that there’s more competition coming than the current duopoly
genuinely curious… is it actually a duopoly or is it just in redibly hard to compete with amd/intels offerings? i find nvidia to engage in a duopolistic market than amd and intel.
It's ARM though
@@beestmode88beast it's really a duopoly on x86, for a third company to make x86 chips they have to get the license from both Intel and amd iirc
I agree but two AMD64 plus like 3 RISC options seem like a recipe for 90s-level lack of compatibility between PC components.
@@beestmode88beast Intel and AMD share their patents, so to compete you would have to license their technologies or use something other than x86. Which essentially means that it is and will remain a duopoly as long as x86 is alive.
That is a very misleading headline when the video is just a sponsored ad.
hater
@@SyncedCyberSoulehe is saying the truth. He is not hating.
So when we getting Framework x Snapdragon X collabs?
Probably never. I don’t see ARM or Qualcomm being too eager to modify their memory controllers to work with regular DDR5, let alone design for memory modules that could be removed/upgraded. And repair/upgrade ability is one of the main selling points for Framework laptops. Then again, I’m an eternal pessimist; maybe I could be proven wrong.
Considering that Qualcom can't be arsed to support their smartphone chip for more than 2 or 3 years, i am curious how this will all pan out for those laptop.
That's a valid concern. That would be even worse for laptops.
Haven't they increased the support a lot in recent years?
We see many android devices being supported for many years now
@@asanime80a lot of that is because the smartphone makers and the AOSP work around qualcom, because qualcom still barely offers the most basic support
@@xdxangeloxbx Lenovo and Dell haven't been that great, either. I'd certainly give them a chance, especially given the absurd premium Lenovo and Dell charge for laptops.
@@josephoberlanderBut now you can get something even worse: a Lenovo or a DELL with a Qualcomm CPU
If microsoft hadn't been cramming telemetry into their operating systems for the last few decades, I might be more inclined to believe their claims about copilot privacy.
"oupsi... yeah telemetries turn on without us doing anything... Do you want to use edge ???"
what, you don't trust a company with anti-trust lawsuits and a history of data collection to take screenshots of your device every few seconds, admitting they don't filter out screencaps of your bank details? are you some kind of conspiracy nut?
@@wtfisgoingon535 "Oh you didn't want to and intentionally deleted edge off your device? Clearly that was a mistake, let's redownload it"
@@tumultoustortellini Heck, even if you disable Telemetry manually, after Windows updates, it RESETS all temeletry to default....
@@tumultoustortellini "I've already import all your others browser data. Also did you now that edge is faster ?'
Look closely at the“native”apps and they even listed social media “apps” in a dedicated section, when that only means electron-based apps got arm support largely thanks to chromium.
I can't help but notice that one of the things not mentioned in this is repairability, but instead of integrated it all is.
“Future laptops will be completely unupgradable and you WILL enjoy it”
- every single arm chip company
@@RusRus72 Until it comes with soldered-in RAM, storage and battery.
Yup, just change the un-repairable smartphone form-factor into a laptop. Brilliant!
@@RusRus72 seems like some of them have removable SSDs but sadly that'll probably be the most serviceable part.
@@dirg3music i doupt since they will think "upgrading" every 5 years is normal and if you dont your device just dies.
@@RusRus72 yeah this market direction is dark AF, and companies like Apple and Qualcomm are drooling at getting people to just chuck perfectly good silicon into the landfill if it means they'll just buy another one. It'd be cool to see a machine like this use LPCAMM but that'll most likely never happen
Some concerns about privacy?
That comes with an absolute tonne of concerns about privacy.
Sponsored video. That portion has probably been agreed verbatim.
The concerns are so massive I'd probably prefer an ARM-Notebook with Linux. Heck, I'd probably trust even Apple more regarding AI.
You can just disable it
@@TheColorfulPube just like how you can disable windows updates.
@@TheColorfulPube Windows will re-enable any privacy infringing feature along with new windows update.
10:00 Letting Linus hold not just one but SEVEN new laptops at a time, that aren’t even on market yet, is insane.
There are thousands of units by now. Besides given the millions of Linus' subscribers he can break them all.
That was scary lol
Scared the shit out of me ngl.
Yeah, that was nerve wracking to watch.
In one hand as well
its a advertisement nod review video.
Also benchmark are showing a complete different story.
So they show stems which already worked flawless on my iPad Pro from 2020… I’m impressed 😅
3:55 this graph looks so apple-y
Also shows that Snapdragon X can run at ~1/3 its peak performance on just two watts of power lol
I wonder what insane levels of battery life you could squeeze out if someone figures out how to set this severe of a power limit on Snapdragon X. 1/3 of a Apple M3 worth of power is still more than enough for web browsing and document editing
funny it still can‘t compete with Apple ARM
no it doesn't look apple-y. Apple-y is no info no numbers at all. This one has specifics about which chips are the competitors, has numbers, and an important note that it's single-thread.
Nope, Apple/Intel's graphs don't labels. The graphs maybe look familiar, but that because they're made by Andrei who used to do review for AnandTech
@@RandomUser2401 So have you seen some benchmarks or what?
You can tell that this is a sponsored video because Linus didn’t bother mentioning the wattage that the X Elite was running when it “bested” the M3 and Core Ultra 7.
I happened to be in a meeting with Qualcomm with those SAME graphs. I asked them how that was possible, knowing that they typically run their devices around 25-30 watts.
Needless to say, they were pushing 80w for those benchmarks. Moral of the story, don’t expect amazing things from X Elite. They will still spec these for amazing battery life, but the performance will take a huge it from what the graphs show.
Having the capability for the performance in exchange for power isn’t that bad and it’s still only 80 watts for max unrealistic loads. It’s still impressive. Their claims are just exaggerated and misleading. What a surprise…
While that’s pretty disappointing, at least it’s one step closer to apple arm on windows I guess
you can also tel by using your eyes and looking at the description......
@@basvanderwerff2725 and by the fact that he says it too! You should be a detective.
Qualcomm have generally been about 2-3 years behind Apple, and I think that is still the case, but an A15 or M2 is a very decent chip.
wow! this video title has aged in 2 weeks like milk under extreme sunlight
Ok, isolating music instrument stems is actually crazy. I would use that for sure
You know what qualcomm is the ablosute worst at ? Native linux support. While their android chips technically run a version of linux, it requires their binary blob, which is only compatible with the kernels they want to support, and they stop supporting them after a couple years. This is why fairphone used a wierd iot chip instead of a smartphone chip, it was the only one with long term support.
I really hope that plague doesnt spread to laptops.
They did push a few patches for platform enablement to Linux over the past few weeks.
The good thing is, that "nobody" cares about Linux on desktop. Not at least those who are not big nerds. I use it for some things, but your average laptop customer never will.
@@Purjo92just because you/a majority of users don't care doesn't make it any less of an anti-consumer practice.
I mean if the chips have x86 emulation I can't see how ppl wouldn't take advantage of it
I think Phoronix had an article about Qualcomm working on native Linux support, it was looking really good if I recall correctly. :)
me: *install's linux on arm*
Yup. The only thing I am wondering about.
it should work, it already works if you know amdroid is linux basically
@@shashanka8344 well lets hope that it doesn't work like in smartphones. That would be hotrrible. But as far as I know previous laptops with arm were not locked to windows and it was possible to run linux on them. Let's hope that with as little binary blobs as possible.
@@shashanka8344That doesn't carry over to desktop use at all. Linux supports ARM processors, and has for a while, but many packages do not support ARM. You'll definitely be limiting yourself to basically what comes with the vanilla OS and some popular programs. There's a reason why Apple and Microsoft are emulating a lot of things instead of running natively.
*installs
a gaming laptop for cookie clicker
The "Qualcomm claims" is very telling.
Source: "trust qualcomm bro".
So... It can edit audio, BUT the driver for my interface isn't supported? So it cant record, gotcha.
I mean sure, but I'd imagine that interface makers would be putting out drivers for the device if they catch on. Obviously you're not a great candidate to be an early adopter if you know you'll have hardware compatibility issues.
What are the chances of getting ARM support on asio4all? 🤔
That might help run a majority of interfaces right?
@@illuminatigaming177 only if you like latency
If you're going to spend that much, better spend it on a PC you know will work. Windows on Arm is a second class citizen for software support.
@@Platinum_XYZ is asio really that bad?
I hope this won't cost an ARM and a leg...
Well if it isn't my old friend mr McGreg with a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg
@@araarathisyomama787 lmao
It will only cost an ARM
Bravo 👏
Now give me a phone with the snapdragon x elite
Would love this on the next iteration of samsung's s series tablets
@@Animesh_Chaturvedi samsung kind of sucks
Regarding recall, the majority of the security concerns come from the fact that its an extra attack vector that has literally everything a hacker could dream of if they get access to it. Think about this: unless you use at-rest encryption on your laptop, if it is stolen somebody now has a visual record of everything you've ever done for god knows how long. Also, do we really trust MS not to send some telemetry as an extra perk, given that they already do it with what you type in Windows search? I don't.
I hadn't considered that. Hmm, this seems like a huge headache for every company's IT department.
@@billberg1264 Normies, too. You parents or grandparents click some suspicious link and the attackers can get a record of everything they've done or looked at on their computer. You probably don't want to see that either, lol.
Why does this terrify me as a lifelong PC enthusiast? I feel like adoption of Arm just means the end of ever building or upgrading anything again.
they might do smth for PCs, but yeah, for laptops its gonna be like what macbooks or smartphones have rn - no upgradability
I think there is still room for modularity. No one has done that yet.
FWIW Ryzen was originally supposed to have an ARM version. They pulled it out of the roadmap before launch but presumably it would have just been a socketed, drop-in AM4 part (well, almost drop-in; you'd need ARM compatible firmware to boot it). There's no reason why you *can't* make socketed ARM chips other than the fact that nobody in the space wants to and the firmware interfaces on ARM are significantly more of a mess which means motherboard vendors have more opportunities to break compatibility for no reason.
@@wyattb3138 well, it looks like the performance is better when it's all packed together. But I think they are trying to come up with smth fast and modular.
There's nothing stopping having these chips socketed.
Remember: no preorders
Funny how Linus forgot that part in this ad.
it's not software
@@kaasbaas9532 Yes, software can be fixed in future updates. For hardware updates you gotta buy new hardware.
2:51 they made you censor "arm" in that article title? that's insane
Dude, we need to run local llms for our apps without being relied on the cloud. Who cares about paint
That's a bold title for products that still haven't had a single, independent review.
There was a sneaky benchmark by a Russian guy at Pro Hi-Tech channel. Can't post the link, but it's googlable. TLDW: 932 in Cinebench 2024 multicore in native arm mode, not running in emulation mode (no avx2 instructions). And 7zip ARM: 81GIPS in native arm mode, 70 in emulation mode.
Welcome to a sponsored video
Not only that but I work in AEC so now I can't replace my surface pro 7 with a 10, because none of my software works on non-x86 chips.
@@guitarchitectural they have translation layers so a lot of software should work as said in the video, or am I missing something?
@@Daniel_VolumeDown Only for those that are not reliant on obscure windows drivers.
2:15 Native what versions? Why is it blurred?
Arm
Speculation time - the native versions aren't necessarily native to ARM in and of itself but rather Snapdragon's implementation of it.
i dunno why, but a 2nd blur at 2:59 is clearly for the term ARM, as it appears without blur in the url at the top. might be the same?
Arm is blurred throughout the video, probably a draconian requirement from Qualcomm. Why would you not want to talk about architecture, uh...
@@joel345 I'm pretty sure its actually due to ARM suing Snapdragon due to acquisition problems
Where can I view the list of games optimized on this laptops?
4 years later apples competition finally arrives… and still gets grilled
9:52 That shot with LInus is so risky it warrants its own insurance policy lmao
Linus drop tips 😂
But can it run Linux
yup, qualcomm supports linux on their chips
Yes
But can it run Crysis?
My first Q, too. I appreciate what MS is doing and all, but… I’d rather not have Windows on it at this point if I can help it.
in 6 months
The webpage you link at 2:13 is a dead link
@6:53 That isolation is really specific. Most of the Dj softwares nowadays do vocal, instrumental, and acapella separately. Down to bassline / beats only is really good.
You know it's going to be marketing slide when there's a label missing on an axis.
As someone for whom Windows 10 is the last version of Windows: how is the support for Linux?
It's coming 👍👍
Pop! Os is decent popular and solid.
SteamOS is stupid good in terms of compatibility and gaming i can run things windows doesn't support anymore through proton.
Linux also has a giu nowadays including for installing things.
Linux is also easy as heck to "learn".
commands are usually just sudo apt get ,sudo apt install OR sudo apt git so there's just a few "general" commands to remember if you choose to use the terminal and that's too hard for the average user 😬
So the terminal has been made partially obsolete for accessibility towards the average user.
@@stickysquirrel5687 I guess the concern was if any of that works with Qualcomm ARM
there are a couple of ARM -based Linux distros from Ubuntu and RHEL.
It's a lot more bare-bones than amd64 but most of the stuff works. Would recommend Endeavour ARM or Debian ARM - With KDE you can even have a software store, no terminal or (mostly) web downloads required.
Disclaimer : i haven't actually tried those, so my recommandations are from what i read/heard about them.
The camera is always on and it’s always screen recording. They can keep it.
Honestly Google's already got my web history, 24/7 location, every store ive ever been to and how long i spent there, my purchase history, music, all my android ad preferences, every photo ive ever taken, etc.
If Microsoft wants to watch me goofing around in Premiere in exchange for the ability to search my entire screen backwards in time to find the exact thing i want - that's way more worth it than what Google gives me
@@GaminylGames just curious, are you aware of the price you pay for allowing these intrusions?
After reading the first reviews which are rather disappointing, this video seems to be nothing more than another ad for Qualcomm.
Because it is.
"Sponsored by Qualcomm" that says all, I can leave the video with all the info I need.
Facts.
He didnt say its better. More just an overview of what the chips can do
@@AvalineSky if you want to listen to the infomercial, go ahead. I have zero desires to do so, all I care for are unbiased and interest free reviews, and not an infomercial with the title "snapdragon just obsoleteted Intel and AMD".
@@eliadbuthis isn’t review
@@adriancandelario2902 read my reply again, I called it infomercial, which is exactly what it is.
No, recall is not okay. It's literally already hacked and doesn't matter if it's local or cloud based because all someone needs is access to your machine like they would for any other hack.
It’s stupid that it’s images that It takes are stored in an unencrypted folder
You can turn it off
However, I do not trust windows settings to stay how I set them.
Was it hacked? Or did they just not fully implement everything in the pre-release version? And if someone has access to your machine it's pretty much game over anyway.
Not saying it's great or it will be great, but at least wait until it's out, no?
Not to mention, many settings are cosmetic, such as the option to disable Microsoft's telemetry. Muta and LTT should do a Linux collab series.
> We just need to verify their claims!
> Doesn't verify the claims
There is an embargo, they've signed a contract not to release those details until the embargo lifts so that everybody has time to look at the systems in depth and not rush to be the first to report.
Like they'll ever let anyone verify it.
@@mahpell7173 You mean next week, when the embargo drops. Of course, I realize I had to do some extra digging to find that out. Wait, no that was in THIS VIDEO.
What is that DJ app they're using? And how compatible with Mac apps?
As much as I welcome this, I worried that soon enough, laptops would be non-upgradeable just like phones are. Are there any of the announced laptops with upgradeable ram and storage?
Upgradable storage I believe so, upgradable RAM no.
I dont think upgradable RAM will be a thing anymore and honestly it's understandable. Integrating RAM into the SoC chip does reduce power usage.
At least Microsoft mercifully required 16GB ram on all these laptops to meet their "copilot PC" jargon which is otherwise bs. And 16GB is still a pretty good amount as websites today actually tend to have a bit less bloated JavaScript than they did a few years ago
Practically all of them have upgradable NVMes, including the Surfaces.
@@sonichedgehog36 not ram and wifi though. Especially ram. 16GB is bare minimum nowadays. Having an upgrade path to 32GB would make these machines a greater buy. Unfortunate.
@guncolony "honestly its understandable" - no it isn't and never will be
6:50 extracting instruments of a song on the fly might be the coolest demo I've seen in a long time!
It is a very cool demo, but it’s not at all exclusive to their product lines
Oddly enough, I had a program on the Amiga back around 1993 that could do it, albeit not 'on the fly'
Yes, cool, but not that new. Stem separation has been around a while.
FL studio does this already
@@quantuminfinity4260 do you know what programs can do this? id love to give it a try
Need those reviews ASAP!
I'm excited to eventually see Linux running on these
Mhhh me too
My brain keeps insisting to me that you wrote "see Linus running."
Hopefully it will be supported in Linux mint soon enough
Can you automatically turn off the camera if a hotdog is detected?
They have good hotdog/not hotdog tech, right?
Maybe, autofocus on hotdog?
Maybe auto post to your friends and family when it waves! 😄
no, you will definitely look sus if you eat hot dog on camera as it will be all blurred ...im sure its all gonna be fine, unless you enjoy your hot dog with mayo
You could call the app “see food”!
i love how they show off stem separation on DJ software like that hasn’t already been a thing without NPUs
00:01 I guess the snapdragon team definitely enjoyed doing that.
Ryzen, Epyc, Oryon... all spelled with a "y".
Intel is missing out, they should rename their next-gen CPU "Lunary Lakey".
Yntel
Would be really cool to see how these snapdragon processors perform on linux!
Should be fine. Arm support is pretty nice atm.
@@perkulant4629the issue with these chips is that it's SOC. It's not enough to support ARM instructions. . Your OS has to support integrated GPU, modem, NPU etc.
Linux is all I was thinking too haha. The good news is that the Linux community WILL make it work if that’s at all possible. And plenty of snapdragon chips have worked on Linux before.
This is going to be pretty exciting
@@VFPn96kQTThere is already Linux support for Apple M series SOCs in Asahi, and eventually in the mainline kernel, so I'm sure that Qualcomm Snapdragon support will come eventually.
There have been a few patches for the various parts of the chip over the past few weeks. Phoronix has some short articles.
So, how does it perform with linux?
That wasn't part of the sponsorship. But I heard that Tuxedo works on a Linux laptop with Elite inside.
More like products are not released yet, so they could not take one out to test freely..
But the question was mostly meant to express curiosity on the subject, not expecting an actual answer!
Android is based on Linux and it has been running on ARM processors forever.
Many of the handheld gaming devices also run on ARM chips, so there is that.
@@12q8 It's not a question of IF it can run linux, bot how well it does.
I have ubuntu running on my Pi's with ARM chipsets, and that would most likely work just as well for the Snapdragons.
@@ThorbjrnPrytz Hmm, probably benefits from the core differences between x86 and ARM just like Windows and MacOS.
Consume less power, more efficient, etc.
One way to figure out how it would differ is to hook the Raspberry Pi to a battery and bring a x86 laptop with about equivalent capabilities to a Raspberry Pi and see how they both pane out in several tests.
The real question will we get these kinds of processors/motherboards for our custom PC or they will stay in these small form factor machines called laptops/tabs/pads?
You'd want an SoC for a custom PC? Do you do ultra-small form factor builds?
@billberg1264 not for small form factor but for processing power and also, with limited power requirements as for now we need freaking 1200 Watt power for High-end systems whereas ARM-based processors perform better in specs. SoC-based systems are not upgradeable like RAM or Storage, with LIMITED I/O.
You might be interested in Ampere. They made ARM cpu's for desktop but mostly servers with socketed cpu that you can buy if you have the money. Linux and (iirc) windows runs on that too. You can also get a dedicated GPU working on that thing if you have the know how.
Jeef Geerling made some videos on it.
@user-28qhfk65 I do follow Jeff he showed two versions of Ampere system... that is not suitable for Windows yet. Also, money is another factor.
5:51 so basically it's spying on me...
Precisely, yes.
Only if you want it to allegedly. Microsoft did go on the record recently saying that the copilot will be opt in now instead of something that just happens. Also I'm mainly wondering how difficult it would be to wipe out the stock install and load a custom ISO of windows 11 onto these machines so I know for a fact nothing is happening in the background without my consent.
Yeah, that's why you should consider switching to Linux Mint DE if you actually value your privacy and time.
@@FollowingStorm0 Stop recommending Mint, its not a good replacement for Windows :(
@@FollowingStorm0 Unless you already use anything that doesn't work well on linux
We got Linus dropping himself before GTA 6
Any word on the ability to run Linux on these devices or models with user upgrade able memory (either SODIMM or LPCAMM2)?
So might it be possible to get one of these chips for a desktop?
Soon enough
I just hope Linux support will be strong and vendors won't get an idea to block the bootloader or cut the device tree list.
I think there will be bad news for you...
Upstream drivers are there so..... 🤷♂️
@@GoonyMclinux For ARM upstream is not enough to have Linux support. Each laptop will have to have a device tree implemented, an unlocked bootloader, and no weird third-party I/O chips. Tuexdo has a prototype device that boots to desktop already but things like USB still don't work.
4:16 You said, "High level of integration". I heard, "a closed garden".
There isn’t a closed garden. That’s Apple. Qualcomm just has Microsoft’s strong support as Microsoft wants to take Apple’s laptop market share.
How can I use the isolating sounds feature without STEMs?
What’s the exact date of review embargo?
I’m assuming when they release which should be this week
2:56 poor attempt lol, censored the title but not the url..
As if we wouldn't have understood in the first place
Snapdragon thinking DJing is audio production is kinda concerning...
Also, AFAIK there's currently no way of doing what they showed in realtime. The only real option atm is Deezer Spleeter
The team knows people, a lot of people thinks producers are just djs. "Oh you make music, so you are a dj?". No, we are not. They just know how to amaze people.
@@Versette Most popular DJ software has been capable of doing what they showed for years now - tracks are analysed and separated at load time quickly enough that it appears realtime.
@@mrsbdjuk No it hasn't, usable AI stems are a recent thing.
@@billB101 4 years isn't that recent :)
looking forward to more in depth testing reviews and related comparison results
It was nice for Linus to bring back an old fired employee for the video. RIP Colton 🤟😔
Can't wait to install linux on one of these
I'm sorry but you will have to practice waiting.
I won't be convinced that Snapdragon reigns supreme until I see that it can run Crysis
This is laptop land we are in: the make or break is corporate adaptation & ain't a single company on earth interested in giving their employees a glorified android tablet who's main feature is how well it runs software that aggressively harvests data.
@@holdenhodgdon3756 Apple uses ARM processors and a lot of companies have been using them for years.
The world has moved past dinosaurs like the forced Windows environment.
This recall feature i keep hearing was already in win 10. But it didnt have the ai integration. I think you had to press win+tab to acces it.
We need a bts of this RIGHT NOW!!!
I'm gonna exclusively use Linux on it
Huh, I kinda thought the Dragonfly's webcam image looked better initially... Could be partially because of the angle, I guess?
I noticed no difference in quality. They looked different. Just different.
@@Hortifox_the_gardener yeah, minimal if any difference.
I saw no difference at all
You probably are watching on 300p stream quality, there is a big difference.
@@ivofernandes88 I'm genuinely curious, what stands out to you as being very different? For reference I'm watching at 4K resolution, and IIRC YT's 4K is pretty low bitrate, so maybe that's eating away some of the detail? I took some screenshots from the video and swapped between them, and am finding it really hard to tell a difference that's not attributable to very different lighting (the Dragonfly footage doesn't have the bright roof lighting on the background, which is gonna affect the lighting balance).
I can share these images if you'd like, you can maybe point me towards what to look in them?
wait, did you seriously had to blur ARM ? wtf?... what times we live in ...
damn those laptop cams look better than wtv linus' using.
Can we all agree on the fact that turning off Windows recall, will not turn off Windows recall
Tiny 11 could be a good alternative to main line Windows 11..
But the simple fact is that if you don't trust your OS vendor, then you should not use the OS. It really is that simple, because if you think about it, it's like running an unsupported OS, which will leave you vulnerable to attacks at any time. People should deal with their cognitive dissonance and make a decision.
@@jeschinstadexactly why i dropped Windows a few years ago, the lack of actual control over my OS just became too frustrating, jumped to linux and have no regrets, especially now with linux gaming starting to catch up with windows due to steam deck and all of these new handhelds there has never been a better time to adopt linux.
They can't just hide GBs of screenshots being saved. Deceptive default settings and auto reset after some updates? Likely. But enabling it even if you disabled it would be too easy to detect and would lead to lawsuits, not worth it.
then go use a different OS and act snoobish about it 24/7
I just hope RISC-V gets better than ARM and becomes an industry standard.
I still hope it gains traction for smaller chip companies. 👍 It was thrown into politics as the US claims it is a US technology. Yes, Berkeley students had a hand. But Risc V's headquarters is now in Switzerland. Many people worldwide contributed to the extensions, such as 64 bit, mathematical circuits, and now recently, NPUs. It's royalty free.
If you're a Linux user you can already get some laptops/tablets based on RISC-V like Roma or PineTab-V. There is also a miniITX RISC board.
it will. these arm era is just a waste of time in a holistic view.
@@mrwoodcat Well if these companies don't compete in the ARM realm they won't survive until the non-ARM era
Is their performance good no..
Are you SOL with x86 emulation if you end up running Linux on these?
Linus, can you please compare water, alcohol, car antifrize for water cooling?
0:39 linus dropped himself
About time
@10:30 Why do they differentiate "Qualcomm" from Qualcomm Technologies and/or it's subsidiaries? Most lawyery un-necessary disclaimer ever.
Probably at the request of Qualcomm who would review the video before it went up.
Because they ARE different, Qualcomm Incorporated and Qualcomm Technologies are 2 separate legal entity. The latter only focuses on everything you just saw here; R&D and manufacturing of chips and SSDs. The former handles everything else; marketing, finances, etc.
It's very common with companies to eventually form a Parent Holding Company and spin off their assets into different subsidiaries based on the sectors they belong in(Eg. Nvidia has all the land they acquired mostly under Nvidia Land Development, LLC). HP Inc and Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Dell Technologies and DELL Inc are some other good examples.
MNCs don't want the business aspect of the company(aka the bureaucracy) to hinder the development and growth of each of their money making business. Plus publicly traded companies love to spin their loss makers into a subsidiary so they can wind it up without having to report it.
Looks unnecessary to the average Joe who have 0 idea about business and corporate laws, but it's very necessary because this is the kind of stuff regulators like DoJ, FTC, SEC, etc use to go after companies
@@AluminumHastealmost every sponsored video in the history of LTT (and other legitimate youtubers) has not allowed the company to review it before posting. Linus has even bragged about this in the past.
@@stevenblakesleyno they all do let them review it. What they don’t let them do is control the video and the narrative. they have and will continue to make concessions that they believe don’t compromise the message of the video such as that disclaimer
AI instrument isolation isn't just for DJs. You can use it to make mashups (I have a _long_ text file full of Mouth Dreams-inspired mashups I just haven't been arsed to actually make yet) or fan-remaster existing albums
which lithography does snapdragon uses? ASML or which?