I think the “princes” are parts of Jahad’s ego/soul/self. Specifically parts he thought he needed to get rid of to become how he is now. We know he had a desire to do this with data Jahad and Arlene’s name, to erase the stuff that caused him conflict. My reasoning is that Wagnan and The Boss clearly display individual aspects of Jahad’s personality (Karaka is a bit more subtle so I’ll leave him for later). The boss is Jahad’s sense of adventure and/or curiosity, the same sense that led his data self to side with Bam. I think the boss has the same goal. To get Bam up the tower to challenge himself, shake up the tower, and possibly open the door. Wangnan is Jahad’s sense of justice and his desire to “make everyone happy”, which Jahad would clearly have to give up to be how he is now. He might also be some more negative emotions as well, the stuff we see in his nightmares. Karaka is a bit trickier, but the line that is important is when he told Dowon that he was born hating Jahad. I think Karaka is possibly Jahad’s self hatred, but he also displays a lot of paranoia, distrust, and talks about how he does everything alone so maybe those are also relevant. Karaka is also semi-immortal like Wangnan so that is interesting as well imo. Rachel said “you guys are the fatal weak point that Jahad tried to hide but ultimately survived”. I think it is very literal, these are what Jahad considers to be HIS weak points and attempted to remove and hide them away. I think the person with the ring she met is the boss. But that ties too much into my Rachel theory to go into it. Basically, Jahad did a reverse white, splitting himself into clones to remove parts of him that didn’t suit his agenda. If white can combine bodies into one with a spell, Jahad being able to do the opposite doesn’t seem crazy at all to me. Especially with his connections to the admins, Gustang, the workshop, etc.
@@leblackrosethorn3834 It’s possible they were created at the same time but weren’t active at the same time? Maybe their apparent/visual age is linked to Jahad’s personality in some way also? Like Wagnan is a part of Jahad’s personality that formed when he was younger so he looks younger? Time is so wonky in the tower also so it’s hard to say. They could all be like Bam who is technically ancient but doesn’t have memories of most of that time. It’s also possible the rings were created all at once but the “princes” were created every time Jahad wanted another “weakness” removed from himself. Another thing I feel that strengthens this theory is that all three of them have sided with Bam in some way. Wangnan is 100% team Bam, Karaka is tsundere, and the boss is at least somewhat helping Bam. This to me shows that if Jahad didn’t remove these parts of himself, someone like Bam could have won him over and convinced him to change. I’m calling it that if Karaka ever willingly reveals his face to someone other than another prince, it will be Bam.
@@leblackrosethorn3834 Wep, strange thing. The theory is well formulated but this point seems to invalitade it. On the other hand, we can also imagine that Karaka, Wagnan and the boss are true clone of Jahad, not part of his soul, created for unknown purpose.
Each mole is an eye of Jahad perhaps so 3 sons for 3 eyes makes sense. Also I assumed the red light district princes were conceived during the climb so when his blood was less powerful.
@@adoniscreed4031 i have theory u see jahard is gone like people don't even how jahard looks like or is he even alive as it is mentions that people don't know the status of family heads some are active and some are not and jahard being the king he is unactive and of course there are problems being raised that who even the ruler if they don't even know where or how is he so they wanted a clone or a substitute for that so they created clones of jahard with his own blood of course workshop would have been involved and the red light district is the place where this experiment is conducted and that's why he is called the prince he is the prince because he is the son not in biological way but as a clone
I think it was said by Khun Eduan during the Hell Train arc, but Jahad went from being obsessed with proving himself and being an adventurer, to saying it was his "divine" right to rule the tower. It's been my headcanon that he intentionally sacrificed some fragment of himself(tricked by Headon or other character maybe?) in order to gain the authority to rule the tower and that fragment is either the captain and he potentially has the ability to have offspring, or the tower/something else created beings from the fragment. Something unknown splitting the fragment into living beings makes the most sense to me, as it would perfectly align with the idea that Jahad's mistake when gaining authority of the tower was that he didn't know what would happen to the fragment after it was split from himself.
I agree, there could be a price in becoming the King of the Tower. Jahad probably had to sacrifice a part of himself. In this case it could have been a literal aspect of himself. The aspect of Jahad's adventurous self made flesh now probably roams the tower or something. Data Eduan did call data Jahad a fake. Maybe data Eduan phrase has a deeper meaning.
small correction, jahad referred to becoming the king as his "destiny". i don't think he spoke of it as a "right" like something he "wants" to do. it was more like it's something he has to do and there was no way around it
He is one of the many masterminds in ToG so far, here is the list for me : - Outside God - Tower Creator - Phantaminum - Arlene - V (if he is alive) - Headon - Admin of the 2nd floor - Boss - Gustang - Hendo Lok Bloodmadder - TuPerie Tperie - Jahad - Jaina Repellista - Maschenny - Hansung Yu - Rachel
@@renatoramos8834TuPerie possess the "Opera" the most powerful Phare on the whole tower like Repellista he can see anything and anywhere in the tower, but he prefer uses the "Eye of God" given by an Admin which is said to be even better than the Opera. On top of that he was the lightbearer and the tactician of the 13 adventurers so he could be even more intelligent than Gustang. For Rachel I agree she is either the pawn of Arlene or Gustang but she thinks herself as a mastermind 🤣
@@karaka2253 siu stated that hansung close to bloodmader and hinted maybe the reason why hansung know all thing about bam even before he join fug and became ranker is from the bloodmader and thats why he put his data on Hidden Floor
Theories like these are why I love ToG. SIU is amazing, the fact that there's a king to a tower that hasn't even been explored past floor X leaves the story open for so much exploration and we already have sooooo much to learn
ToG is a whole masterpiece with a lot of mysteries... I only pray that the genius SIU will stay alive longer till his story finishes, cause it is like it can last decades. But mostly I hope to be myself alive till the end of ToG.
Wangnan, The Boss and Karaka could be different stages of Jahad before he became the King, who were pulled from timelines where Jahad was the way he was listed below Wangan representing Jahad when he was outside the tower, desiring to become the king The boss could be Jahad as he’s climbing since he is said to have “Curious eyes” And Karaka could be Jahad when Arlene rejected him
I really hope that SIU is going to do some big lore reveals after this current arc. If he does it right he might have the same level of foreshadowing and world building as Oda.
He already has layed down Oda level world building potential … he just needs to follow through. Tbh TOG allows for even more expansive story telling than One Piece which is insane …
@@millardfilmore1403 as much as I like that, I also wished for a stable balance, the definition of an axis and phataminum being one was kinda overkill for the power building we had from the story so far, I would not have imagined it unless I read spoilers from what I just know. Phataminum name appeared from the beginning but I wondered if the concept of axis was already thought of, I think this way since he seemed revelant in the beginning as an Irregular, but then with the way he is it would not be possible to make him appear until very very late in the story. Although it just what I think hoping SIU does not get blocked by the power limits he conceived, but I trust SIU to make us a smooth introduction later, hopefully !
What level of worldbuilding has Oda? Nothing in One Piece happens at the same time in a relevant way. The cast of truly meaningful characters is ridicously short and so are the conections between the events that make the story move forward. It is about Luffy and his crew moving from island to island with minor and not at all complex interventions here and there from the marines or some random enemy (big mom, kaido...) that ultimately ends with a "im bad" or "im more powerful ahaahah".
My Boss theory is that He is an Army Corps Commander along side being a Prince. There are 3 other Squadrons we haven't seen yet, if there's a 4th and 5th Squadron it stands to reason that there a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Squadron. That explains how he knows about Jinsungs location, him ordering Yool and Khell, etc.
Remember back in season 2 Rachel said she knew someone who owned a Zahard ring(back when she was interrogating Wagnan and right after arkrapotor and prince died.)
I like the idea of the boss knowing Baam would come and that fact it might come from Jahad. Even Jahad himself said I see fate is troll me. Not knowing Baam would actually come to the tower.
I have watched SO many of your videos, always watch your stream reaction but wow. This video was GREAT, one of the best. Thank you Dr Bonehead for this analysis!
Now this is just my theory but I think it really makes sense: What if jahad stopping his climb to the tower is actually a test to go to the next floor? I mean, we know that wangnan and karaka's ring are one half of the key and the 13 months series is the other half and something must have happened to stop jahad's adventure spirit. Then jahad has a different contract with the administrator, which may be because he is the one being tested (I guess). The test may consist in climbing the tower again with maybe different "arsenals" (meaning different sets of powers, like seeing faith for "the boss", good shinsu abilities for karaka and regeneration for wangnan) or maybe climb the tower with different objectives (karaka slaying the king, wangnan helping bam, and "the boss" behaving much like jahad would do) or conditions to achieve different goals. I should also mention that I read some comments (that I really support as part of the theory) suggesting that the three lookalikes may actually be traits of jahads personality or like his roles (adventurer and king for the boss, slayer for karaka and friend or companion for Wang an), or also parts of his personality he wanted to get rid of. This all makes sense up to a certain point. Then after the story unravels the three jahads lookalikes would become one with jahad (or not) and continue the climb with bam, alone or maybe die based on how everything goes. Also one thing I noticed here in the video is the three dots under jahad's sygil which may represent the three moles of the three jahad lookalikes (assuming karaka is similar to wangnan, and I think that the third lookalike might actually have a mold near his nose, but this is just speculation). Let me know what you guys think, maybe together we can actually come to a mode defined conclusion.
Maybe V is from a Noble family outside the tower, and not just a random family, but a strong and famous one, he is also a warlord and according to google "A warlord is a person who exercises military, economic, and political control over a region in a country without a strong national government; largely because of coercive control over the armed forces." The way he dresses in the flashbacks looks like he is a humble person and he looks neat, I can sense that he has this kind of noble aura in him. We can also see from other stories that a real noble knows how to treat his people, and that is why V is able to get along with the people inside the tower. Well its just a theory tho, and maybe while they are climbing the tower, all of them tells a story about what kind of things are they doing before entering the tower, or maybe one of the family heads also came from where V is, According to the blogpost, Yeon Hana herself is a virgin who has never embraced a man. According to a rumour, she could not forget a man whom she broke up with a long time ago, so she made a contract with a Guardian to become a "female that cannot feel love towards the opposite sex" I have a theory about who is the person that Yeon Hana liked before and I think it is V, but I'm not 100% sure if its true, once I think that my theory is 100% not sure, I don't have the confidence to share it at all. Forgive me for my bad english.
I think the captain was the one who told Rachel about the rings (see her conversation with Wangnan). Also might be the one who came to pick up Wangnan's "nanny"'s body. Anyway he's very important and has some objective at the Nest. I always thought he's using Baam to get whatever Zahard hid inside the suspendium.
Jahad symbols have 3 eyes so maybe 3 princes. What if for jahad to be a true immortal he had to have his soul taken out like dead administrators floor where people are soulless and so jahad divided his soul into 3 princes and gave them a part of key to next floor as he would trust himself the most. That's the reason everyone who knew jahad before says he changed later on as he gave up his soul.
IM SOOOOOO GLAD YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS Im pretty sure he is a prince of the red light district and it made me soooo fucking mad when nya or whatever his name was said there was no tension knowing this guy kinda has been pushing the battle force forward by taking bams friends by force.the reason I consider him to be a prince of a red light district is not only cause of the mole but because the red light cause one of the biggest disappointments in the tower when reading back I notice it was said I think in a way he is what jahad would have been if he was pure just with more curiosity and a decent voice to bend people to his image or vision which makes him surely interesting I sorta feel like he helped Arlene escape.( Sidenote something that has interested me was that Arlene was able to do spells and V has very strong shinsu density knowing bam takes after both parents when it comes to the hair and his father With that density I wonder if bam gets the ability to break spells because of it I know it seems like a fetch but it kinda makes sense to me because every irregular has something that makes them unique urek can use spatial distortion which is very overpowered and hasn't been mentioned by other irregular enryu has that vicious scary red shinsu and the power to kill Admins but baam can break really powerful spells without trying just something to look at🤔
Possible Princes of Jahad so far are Wangnan, Karaka and Yu Hansung. I didn't noticed that Hansung is possibly a prince of Jahad until his fight and conversation with Haratcha.
10:50 but the rings could also be an item, to suppress the clones powers or even suppress their location to jahad himself for giving them freedom to have their own adventures
I think the boss can be -Grace Mirchea Luslec because he said he cant join the war but he will help and he knows baam's all details. -The person Gustang is talking to on the Cd player. He is mysterious he gives thorn fragment to fug and he knows Baam
Here are some suppositions : - A twin brother of Jahad in the outside - One of the sons of Jahad (we already know Wangnan and Karaka) - A clone of Jahad made by Jahad blood to make a prince of Jahad - Jahad in a parallel universe - A part of Jahad's soul (like white he is divided somehow)
@@karaka2253 unnamed woman from Red Light District? I have no other Idea. Also, I think Wangnan and Karaka most likely have different mothers, because they are different ages. It doesn't explain why Wangnan has immortality though.
Yeah, if most of the mothers/children died because "his seed was too potent" & his only other option might've been mating with another family head (which I assume none wanted to, including Arlene who he'd probably prefer) then I'd more believe they're some type of clone/hybrid (maybe with help from The Workshop???) vs. more like the princesses chosen from an already existing being. Haha yeah, Jahad in disguise, he just added that mole on, it's totally fake! [insert Kermit meme] /s I'll still throw in Yu Han Sung into the mix potentially even though he is "deeply connected to Hendo Lok Bloodmadder" that wording is loose.
Bro I have a theory about the boss. What if Zahad has a split personality. One is the king of tower and the other is an adventurer like how he was when he was young. They even say the boss was a good story teller like any adventurer would be. His eyes were full of curiosity much like I imagine young Zahad was. And it looks to me that they are at odds with one another. Maby adventurer Zahad wants to help Bam stop himself, but the king is interfering. They also said,, this captain doesn't seem like the one we talked to''' . Also him having a split personality would explain why he was inactive and why the three lords are in charge while adventurer Zahad is in control. It would also explain how the hell king Zahad didn't kill him at the beginning of the story if he can see in to the future. Because he wasn't in control, the adventurer was and that gave time for bam to grow stronger. But looks like king Zahad is back and he immediately started to put things into motion to kill bam and everyone who oppose him.
Does Jahad have a secret mistress that he currently/used to have as a result of being rejected by Arlene or smth because he really do be giving birth to a lot of his look-a-likes
Okay , this might be random . . .but I think before , Jahad and maybe someone in the workshop worked together to make some experiment with his blood. May be the Purpose of this experiment is to have a child carrying his own blood. And I have a hunch, that Adori Jahad, the commander in chief of jahad royal army , is one of the seeds came from Jahad. Though I have no concrete evidence to prove this point yet, but I couldn't help but ask questions like: Why Adori's long hair is golden? Why of all Jahad Princesses, her 13 Month series weapon is only the S CLASS rated igntion weapon and name it GOLDEN November. Everyone knows that Jahad's color theme is GOLD. Not only his hair, but Even his shinsoo color and abilities are sprarkling with gold.
This was the best video you've ever made god damn this blew my fucking mind dude. How did I read the same thing and just miss all of this? It's right there when you dig into it. Your efforts and research have not gone unnoticed, fantastic video 10/10
I feel like somehow in some unknown mechanic, the Captain is the personality of Jahad had he not become king. He reminds me of data jahad after Bam ignited his "adventurers spirit". Maybe something happened which led to Jahad to literally expel that part of him from himself so he could attain power and become king of the tower. Kind of like Kami expelling Piccolo in DBZ. Except the captain doesn't possess the same power of Jahad. Like he's a wandering weakened Jahad that knows things and wants to see what happens when a "second Jahad" comes around and makes a different choice than Jahad did.
Coming back here from the most recent Bone reaction... Bones' theory about the boss aligns well with what data Jahad says, like, "I'm sending you to my future self so it won't become apathetic and has to experience a new adventure". Edit: "you" being Bam ofc
Could this be Phantaminum or a third sibbling of wangnan and karaka? 👀 Edit: I just finished the video but he is a really interesting character, one of my favorites and yeah, one of Jahad's "sons" makes more sense
Where is furuta the clown ? You madlad you actually did it!! Bonehead responded to your calls!! Anyway, the boss is legit the most interesting plotline s3 has introduced, really hyped to see what SIU gonna do with him.
I have been asking myself yuri jahard has seen jahard the king but never suspected Ja wangna in the hell train before bam was about to prepare to fight Kaiser.
Since jahad 's symbol is 3 eyed symbol and he has 3 kings it also makes sense that he has 3 prince. Also there many stories about v, Arlene and bam throughout the tower as said by cha, hidden grove was also told story about a child of two great people who will return to the tower and all so what i am trying to say is captain isn't the only one who knew about i do, he do probably have some destiny viewing ability but that kind of ability doesn't make you omniscient even jahad didn't knew about bam is still alive until he met him on hidden floor.
I think that if The Boss can indeed read fate, I think he is curious more so about whether or not Bam can actually change fate. You know Bam has always been one to say things like "I'll find my own answers", or "I'll destroy that destiny". I'm not sure if an irregular has that ability. But if they do maybe the change that The Boss is talking about is a change of fate, rather than just a change to the tower that is "supposed" to happen.
well theoretically I will say he's one of the axis who works with phataminum or the axis of tog. We know that phanta is not the axis of tog. Thus he knows about bam who was destined to come at the tower
So, my theory is that one of the Captains is the brother of Karaka, they are all similar looking to Jahad like Wagnan. Chances are Jahad had attempted to make replications of himself using the workshop, the reason being that Jahad wished to have control of a specific power(to see into the future, n more) as well as have a version of him inside the tower(maybe to have more people of Jahads power level to carry on climbing the tower, but failed??), if he succeeded in creating one version he probably wont stop there, creating more copies of himself and let them enter the tower to one day ascend again. So the Captain is a group of clones of Jahad with specific powers that the Jahad himself could not acquire himself. This might also explain their fascination with Baam. Considering the captains are clones, they probably have high authority within the army.They gamble weather Baam can bring a change in the tower, they decide to help him at times because they are sick of how the Great heads and Jahad were doing things. The red light district is vague, if Jahad had a male heir as opposed to the princesses the whole tower would know of it. The red light district is the place where the great families allowed Jahad to make clones of himself. It probably failed or is a potential work in progress, if it failed they probably would have been killed, they may also be the last survivors of a potential limitless amount of clones. Tl;dr SIU is giving me a headache.
What if the 3 princes are like pieces of Jahad's soul and are an insurance policy in case an irregular can challenge him. Kind of like Voldermort has Horcruxes that stop him from being killed.
What if Jahad has been cloning himself? That is what the princes of the red light district are. Wagnan, Karaka, and the Boss are all most likely clones. That is why they have similar personalities to Jahad. Karaka is more like late stage Jahad, while the Boss and Wangnan are more like early stage Jahad. My guess is that he sealed their power and memories and I feel as though they are much stronger than we think. What if they are the final cursed people with their power sealed.
One idea that popped up in my head is that the boss and Zahad are brothers and they are competing with each other and that's why the boss is helping Bam.
Could it be that jahad wanted to make clones of him self so they could be the 3 Lords of the tower, since we do know from the hidden floor that the only person jahad really trust is himself, so it would make sense for him to make clones of himself to become the 3 Lords, but they somehow failed.
I was wondering if the "boss" is the part of Jahad he lost when he became more like a demon and immortal like they were talking about with data jahad...people splitting apart and the other part becoming alive happens like with White.. would be kind of cool if the "good" or younger side of Jahad is still kicking it and trying to help Baam from the shadows.
ok,i know,im 2 weeks later with this comment,but i have a personal theory that it's REALLY similar. For me Karaka,The Boss and Wangnan are 3 ""incarnation"" of different Jahad "skills". In fact only The Boss manifest the power to see future. Wangnan it's basically have no capability except for a straordinary luck. About Karaka we don't know to much but one thing is sure,he become a slayer immediately after becoming a ranker (a title reserved for high rankers) and fougth against Yuri,a Jahad princess top 500 ranker and Evan,another high ranker. Also he have a fake immortality and an unique shinsoo quality that can controll gravity,time and space (also remember that teleport skills are the rarest in the tower and only few top-high rankers have them) For me The Boss is the ""clone"" that has inherited the Jahad's capability to "see the future". Wangnan inherited the "luck" or "fate" of Jahad. Karaka inherited the "power" or the "talent" of Jahad (like the princess but with a lot better skills and potential,because he is a "pure blood") In my opinion princess and princes are part of a bigger Jahad's plan to get arround the tower rules and not to be more a "fake ruler"
Since Jahad was ''forced'' to start the whole princess thing so that he can find a woman powerful enough to not die from jahad's power(I'm really curious to know what part of the process is supposed to be lethal...probably the baby itself being too powerful but hey we can always wonder) and that we know that jahad doesn't want to marry, maybe the princes were a failed plan B where he tried to clone himself. Also I may misremember but I think Hwaryun said that Wangnan(and probably the others) was the biggest mistake of the ten families, not jahad, so maybe they tried that first, failed, then said ''ok we tried now marry one of our daughters''. It would make sense since the pressure to have an heir seems to come from the warriors and not the king himself. Now why would they want an immortal to have an heir so much. Maybe there is a clause in Jahad's contract were his invulnerability/invincibility is supposed to be temporary only for the time it takes to choose a successor. Also I said the cloning came first because there didn't seem to be princesses during the time of genesis since Maschenny, who seems to be old by princesses standart wasn't there to see it and the boss was already born. It's probably not that but hey it's a theory
Thinking about this: in the jahad symbol there are 3 dots= 3 moles and 3 eyes maybe representing jahad seeing the fate of his 3 "sons". The sign seem to be older than jahad himself tho (I dont remember correctly) so maybe they are part of something even greater than the tower itself that jahad have planned
In my opinion they are more likely clones of Jahad. Red light district can also points to workshop meddling. Since let's say something goes wrong you have red light alert. Also it is not out of capability of workshop to have special space called red light district. And since they don't know about each other princes of red light district and the ring being the only distinguishable how to recognize each other they may have not even be created the same and also at the same time.... Also guys most of the time generally prefer to have son than a daughter. Since every prince of the red light district seems to have a bit of an ood or special power ''inhereted'' from the king. This is huge topic and hope we will soon get another clue to have more precise prediction. Keep up the good theories and for SIU to be healthy. PEACE
I really think The Boss, Karaka and Wangnan are all somehow linked to Jahard..... And their connection to fate...three Eyes on the Jahard symbol... Three guys
In my opinion, there must be something more that he said to Cha. As Cha wants to help Bam because he thinks that "Bam" is going to suffer a lot in his pursuit and he wants to lessen the load. How does he know that? or did he get to this conclusion on his own?
Could they be Jahad but from parallel universes? It would make sense if they have already lived through the events of the story, maybe they are in a time loop?
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I think the “princes” are parts of Jahad’s ego/soul/self. Specifically parts he thought he needed to get rid of to become how he is now. We know he had a desire to do this with data Jahad and Arlene’s name, to erase the stuff that caused him conflict.
My reasoning is that Wagnan and The Boss clearly display individual aspects of Jahad’s personality (Karaka is a bit more subtle so I’ll leave him for later). The boss is Jahad’s sense of adventure and/or curiosity, the same sense that led his data self to side with Bam. I think the boss has the same goal. To get Bam up the tower to challenge himself, shake up the tower, and possibly open the door. Wangnan is Jahad’s sense of justice and his desire to “make everyone happy”, which Jahad would clearly have to give up to be how he is now. He might also be some more negative emotions as well, the stuff we see in his nightmares.
Karaka is a bit trickier, but the line that is important is when he told Dowon that he was born hating Jahad. I think Karaka is possibly Jahad’s self hatred, but he also displays a lot of paranoia, distrust, and talks about how he does everything alone so maybe those are also relevant. Karaka is also semi-immortal like Wangnan so that is interesting as well imo.
Rachel said “you guys are the fatal weak point that Jahad tried to hide but ultimately survived”. I think it is very literal, these are what Jahad considers to be HIS weak points and attempted to remove and hide them away. I think the person with the ring she met is the boss. But that ties too much into my Rachel theory to go into it.
Basically, Jahad did a reverse white, splitting himself into clones to remove parts of him that didn’t suit his agenda. If white can combine bodies into one with a spell, Jahad being able to do the opposite doesn’t seem crazy at all to me. Especially with his connections to the admins, Gustang, the workshop, etc.
That actually sounds pretty credible. It wpuld makes things very interesting if it turns out to be true
Hmm it's a pretty good theory and lines up with a lot of things. Question is, why does his "personalities" have different ages?
Just like piccolo spilt himself into two
@@leblackrosethorn3834 It’s possible they were created at the same time but weren’t active at the same time? Maybe their apparent/visual age is linked to Jahad’s personality in some way also? Like Wagnan is a part of Jahad’s personality that formed when he was younger so he looks younger? Time is so wonky in the tower also so it’s hard to say. They could all be like Bam who is technically ancient but doesn’t have memories of most of that time.
It’s also possible the rings were created all at once but the “princes” were created every time Jahad wanted another “weakness” removed from himself.
Another thing I feel that strengthens this theory is that all three of them have sided with Bam in some way. Wangnan is 100% team Bam, Karaka is tsundere, and the boss is at least somewhat helping Bam. This to me shows that if Jahad didn’t remove these parts of himself, someone like Bam could have won him over and convinced him to change. I’m calling it that if Karaka ever willingly reveals his face to someone other than another prince, it will be Bam.
@@leblackrosethorn3834 Wep, strange thing. The theory is well formulated but this point seems to invalitade it. On the other hand, we can also imagine that Karaka, Wagnan and the boss are true clone of Jahad, not part of his soul, created for unknown purpose.
Man this guy is so mysterious. I really hope we see more of him soon, especially since it probably means we'll be getting more storyline on Wangnan
He showed up right now i forgot which chapter
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
@봄또봄 i thought it was him but he looks different like older and buffed up, chapter 643-645 manwha
Each mole is an eye of Jahad perhaps so 3 sons for 3 eyes makes sense. Also I assumed the red light district princes were conceived during the climb so when his blood was less powerful.
Oh damn I like that theory!
@@adoniscreed4031 i have theory u see jahard is gone like people don't even how jahard looks like or is he even alive as it is mentions that people don't know the status of family heads some are active and some are not and jahard being the king he is unactive and of course there are problems being raised that who even the ruler if they don't even know where or how is he so they wanted a clone or a substitute for that so they created clones of jahard with his own blood of course workshop would have been involved and the red light district is the place where this experiment is conducted and that's why he is called the prince he is the prince because he is the son not in biological way but as a clone
There’s 12 princes tho?
@@dumbjit4651princess lol
@@cathd5675 I mean the prince of the red light district isn’t there 12 of them
“You can’t be the king of the tower if there’s a floor above you” - Wandering Pilgrim
I think it was said by Khun Eduan during the Hell Train arc, but Jahad went from being obsessed with proving himself and being an adventurer, to saying it was his "divine" right to rule the tower. It's been my headcanon that he intentionally sacrificed some fragment of himself(tricked by Headon or other character maybe?) in order to gain the authority to rule the tower and that fragment is either the captain and he potentially has the ability to have offspring, or the tower/something else created beings from the fragment. Something unknown splitting the fragment into living beings makes the most sense to me, as it would perfectly align with the idea that Jahad's mistake when gaining authority of the tower was that he didn't know what would happen to the fragment after it was split from himself.
I agree, there could be a price in becoming the King of the Tower. Jahad probably had to sacrifice a part of himself. In this case it could have been a literal aspect of himself. The aspect of Jahad's adventurous self made flesh now probably roams the tower or something. Data Eduan did call data Jahad a fake. Maybe data Eduan phrase has a deeper meaning.
small correction, jahad referred to becoming the king as his "destiny". i don't think he spoke of it as a "right" like something he "wants" to do. it was more like it's something he has to do and there was no way around it
But jahad stopped climbing at floor 135 how could he become god if he didn't really reach the top? I think he got cursed
this has aged well with the latest manga chapter!!
He is one of the many masterminds in ToG so far, here is the list for me :
- Outside God
- Tower Creator
- Phantaminum
- Arlene
- V (if he is alive)
- Headon
- Admin of the 2nd floor
- Boss
- Gustang
- Hendo Lok Bloodmadder
- TuPerie Tperie
- Jahad
- Jaina Repellista
- Maschenny
- Hansung Yu
- Rachel
@@renatoramos8834TuPerie possess the "Opera" the most powerful Phare on the whole tower like Repellista he can see anything and anywhere in the tower, but he prefer uses the "Eye of God" given by an Admin which is said to be even better than the Opera.
On top of that he was the lightbearer and the tactician of the 13 adventurers so he could be even more intelligent than Gustang.
For Rachel I agree she is either the pawn of Arlene or Gustang but she thinks herself as a mastermind 🤣
@@renatoramos8834 still a non canon lore so it can be possibly changed or even completely modified by SIU
Hansung Yu and hedolock bloodmader
@@fluxthemagician7928 true for Hansung but Bloodmadder idk
@@karaka2253 siu stated that hansung close to bloodmader and hinted maybe the reason why hansung know all thing about bam even before he join fug and became ranker is from the bloodmader and thats why he put his data on Hidden Floor
Theories like these are why I love ToG. SIU is amazing, the fact that there's a king to a tower that hasn't even been explored past floor X leaves the story open for so much exploration and we already have sooooo much to learn
ToG is a whole masterpiece with a lot of mysteries... I only pray that the genius SIU will stay alive longer till his story finishes, cause it is like it can last decades. But mostly I hope to be myself alive till the end of ToG.
That what’s I said about berserk…
Wangnan, The Boss and Karaka could be different stages of Jahad before he became the King, who were pulled from timelines where Jahad was the way he was listed below
Wangan representing Jahad when he was outside the tower, desiring to become the king
The boss could be Jahad as he’s climbing since he is said to have “Curious eyes”
And Karaka could be Jahad when Arlene rejected him
Yeah I like this one
THIS is a good one. Just Wow.
I really hope that SIU is going to do some big lore reveals after this current arc. If he does it right he might have the same level of foreshadowing and world building as Oda.
He already has layed down Oda level world building potential … he just needs to follow through. Tbh TOG allows for even more expansive story telling than One Piece which is insane …
@@millardfilmore1403 as much as I like that, I also wished for a stable balance, the definition of an axis and phataminum being one was kinda overkill for the power building we had from the story so far, I would not have imagined it unless I read spoilers from what I just know. Phataminum name appeared from the beginning but I wondered if the concept of axis was already thought of, I think this way since he seemed revelant in the beginning as an Irregular, but then with the way he is it would not be possible to make him appear until very very late in the story. Although it just what I think hoping SIU does not get blocked by the power limits he conceived, but I trust SIU to make us a smooth introduction later, hopefully !
What level of worldbuilding has Oda? Nothing in One Piece happens at the same time in a relevant way. The cast of truly meaningful characters is ridicously short and so are the conections between the events that make the story move forward. It is about Luffy and his crew moving from island to island with minor and not at all complex interventions here and there from the marines or some random enemy (big mom, kaido...) that ultimately ends with a "im bad" or "im more powerful ahaahah".
@@FlaskFlashthats what happens when u watch 1 or 2 reels on tiktok about one piece, bro if u gonna spit some nonsense than at least do it right 💀
My Boss theory is that He is an Army Corps Commander along side being a Prince. There are 3 other Squadrons we haven't seen yet, if there's a 4th and 5th Squadron it stands to reason that there a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Squadron. That explains how he knows about Jinsungs location, him ordering Yool and Khell, etc.
Remember back in season 2 Rachel said she knew someone who owned a Zahard ring(back when she was interrogating Wagnan and right after arkrapotor and prince died.)
I like the idea of the boss knowing Baam would come and that fact it might come from Jahad. Even Jahad himself said I see fate is troll me. Not knowing Baam would actually come to the tower.
I have watched SO many of your videos, always watch your stream reaction but wow. This video was GREAT, one of the best. Thank you Dr Bonehead for this analysis!
Now this is just my theory but I think it really makes sense:
What if jahad stopping his climb to the tower is actually a test to go to the next floor?
I mean, we know that wangnan and karaka's ring are one half of the key and the 13 months series is the other half and something must have happened to stop jahad's adventure spirit.
Then jahad has a different contract with the administrator, which may be because he is the one being tested (I guess).
The test may consist in climbing the tower again with maybe different "arsenals" (meaning different sets of powers, like seeing faith for "the boss", good shinsu abilities for karaka and regeneration for wangnan) or maybe climb the tower with different objectives (karaka slaying the king, wangnan helping bam, and "the boss" behaving much like jahad would do) or conditions to achieve different goals.
I should also mention that I read some comments (that I really support as part of the theory) suggesting that the three lookalikes may actually be traits of jahads personality or like his roles (adventurer and king for the boss, slayer for karaka and friend or companion for Wang an), or also parts of his personality he wanted to get rid of. This all makes sense up to a certain point.
Then after the story unravels the three jahads lookalikes would become one with jahad (or not) and continue the climb with bam, alone or maybe die based on how everything goes.
Also one thing I noticed here in the video is the three dots under jahad's sygil which may represent the three moles of the three jahad lookalikes (assuming karaka is similar to wangnan, and I think that the third lookalike might actually have a mold near his nose, but this is just speculation).
Let me know what you guys think, maybe together we can actually come to a mode defined conclusion.
Whoever he is I feel like he's going to be a big challenge for baam
Maybe V is from a Noble family outside the tower, and not just a random family, but a strong and famous one, he is also a warlord and according to google "A warlord is a person who exercises military, economic, and political control over a region in a country without a strong national government; largely because of coercive control over the armed forces." The way he dresses in the flashbacks looks like he is a humble person and he looks neat, I can sense that he has this kind of noble aura in him. We can also see from other stories that a real noble knows how to treat his people, and that is why V is able to get along with the people inside the tower. Well its just a theory tho, and maybe while they are climbing the tower, all of them tells a story about what kind of things are they doing before entering the tower, or maybe one of the family heads also came from where V is, According to the blogpost, Yeon Hana herself is a virgin who has never embraced a man. According to a rumour, she could not forget a man whom she broke up with a long time ago, so she made a contract with a Guardian to become a "female that cannot feel love towards the opposite sex" I have a theory about who is the person that Yeon Hana liked before and I think it is V, but I'm not 100% sure if its true, once I think that my theory is 100% not sure, I don't have the confidence to share it at all. Forgive me for my bad english.
I think the captain was the one who told Rachel about the rings (see her conversation with Wangnan).
Also might be the one who came to pick up Wangnan's "nanny"'s body.
Anyway he's very important and has some objective at the Nest. I always thought he's using Baam to get whatever Zahard hid inside the suspendium.
Jahad symbols have 3 eyes so maybe 3 princes. What if for jahad to be a true immortal he had to have his soul taken out like dead administrators floor where people are soulless and so jahad divided his soul into 3 princes and gave them a part of key to next floor as he would trust himself the most. That's the reason everyone who knew jahad before says he changed later on as he gave up his soul.
IM SOOOOOO GLAD YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS Im pretty sure he is a prince of the red light district and it made me soooo fucking mad when nya or whatever his name was said there was no tension knowing this guy kinda has been pushing the battle force forward by taking bams friends by force.the reason I consider him to be a prince of a red light district is not only cause of the mole but because the red light cause one of the biggest disappointments in the tower when reading back I notice it was said I think in a way he is what jahad would have been if he was pure just with more curiosity and a decent voice to bend people to his image or vision which makes him surely interesting I sorta feel like he helped Arlene escape.( Sidenote something that has interested me was that Arlene was able to do spells and V has very strong shinsu density knowing bam takes after both parents when it comes to the hair and his father With that density I wonder if bam gets the ability to break spells because of it I know it seems like a fetch but it kinda makes sense to me because every irregular has something that makes them unique urek can use spatial distortion which is very overpowered and hasn't been mentioned by other irregular enryu has that vicious scary red shinsu and the power to kill Admins but baam can break really powerful spells without trying just something to look at🤔
jesus christ please use punctuation
Possible Princes of Jahad so far are Wangnan, Karaka and Yu Hansung. I didn't noticed that Hansung is possibly a prince of Jahad until his fight and conversation with Haratcha.
Highly doubt hansung is a prince of jahad
Hansung is related to the Hendo Lok family not Jahad one
@@karaka2253 You could say he's somehow connected to Hendo Lok but it doesn't disprove the possibility of him being a prince.
@@alexanderliew3415 it's possible yes but I don't think so maybe i'm wrong
10:50 but the rings could also be an item, to suppress the clones powers or even suppress their location to jahad himself for giving them freedom to have their own adventures
I'm honestly curious about his relationship with Jahad, V and especially Bam, such a cool character.
I think the boss can be
-Grace Mirchea Luslec because he said he cant join the war but he will help and he knows baam's all details.
-The person Gustang is talking to on the Cd player. He is mysterious he gives thorn fragment to fug and he knows Baam
Here are some suppositions :
- A twin brother of Jahad in the outside
- One of the sons of Jahad (we already know Wangnan and Karaka)
- A clone of Jahad made by Jahad blood to make a prince of Jahad
- Jahad in a parallel universe
- A part of Jahad's soul (like white he is divided somehow)
I'm sure it's one of these
He could be twin brother of Jahad AND Wangnan and Karaka's father.
@@neorise127 yeah but who is the mother? Adori ? lol
@@karaka2253 unnamed woman from Red Light District? I have no other Idea. Also, I think Wangnan and Karaka most likely have different mothers, because they are different ages. It doesn't explain why Wangnan has immortality though.
@@neorise127 yeah and they could be ones of Jahad concubines as well
Yeah, if most of the mothers/children died because "his seed was too potent" & his only other option might've been mating with another family head (which I assume none wanted to, including Arlene who he'd probably prefer) then I'd more believe they're some type of clone/hybrid (maybe with help from The Workshop???) vs. more like the princesses chosen from an already existing being. Haha yeah, Jahad in disguise, he just added that mole on, it's totally fake! [insert Kermit meme] /s
I'll still throw in Yu Han Sung into the mix potentially even though he is "deeply connected to Hendo Lok Bloodmadder" that wording is loose.
Bro I have a theory about the boss. What if Zahad has a split personality. One is the king of tower and the other is an adventurer like how he was when he was young. They even say the boss was a good story teller like any adventurer would be. His eyes were full of curiosity much like I imagine young Zahad was. And it looks to me that they are at odds with one another. Maby adventurer Zahad wants to help Bam stop himself, but the king is interfering. They also said,, this captain doesn't seem like the one we talked to''' . Also him having a split personality would explain why he was inactive and why the three lords are in charge while adventurer Zahad is in control. It would also explain how the hell king Zahad didn't kill him at the beginning of the story if he can see in to the future. Because he wasn't in control, the adventurer was and that gave time for bam to grow stronger. But looks like king Zahad is back and he immediately started to put things into motion to kill bam and everyone who oppose him.
Does Jahad have a secret mistress that he currently/used to have as a result of being rejected by Arlene or smth because he really do be giving birth to a lot of his look-a-likes
Fr tho 💀✋
@@renatoramos8834 🤭
@@renatoramos8834 …
Tog's potential is huge. No wonder its my no 1
This just reminded me that I really want a Karaka face reveal
yh he’s gonna look like Jahad but still😭
Okay , this might be random . . .but I think before , Jahad and maybe someone in the workshop worked together to make some experiment with his blood.
May be the Purpose of this experiment is to have a child carrying his own blood.
And I have a hunch, that Adori Jahad, the commander in chief of jahad royal army , is one of the seeds came from Jahad.
Though I have no concrete evidence to prove this point yet, but I couldn't help but ask questions like: Why Adori's long hair is golden? Why of all Jahad Princesses, her 13 Month series weapon is only the S CLASS rated igntion weapon and name it GOLDEN November.
Everyone knows that Jahad's color theme is GOLD. Not only his hair, but Even his shinsoo color and abilities are sprarkling with gold.
This was the best video you've ever made god damn this blew my fucking mind dude. How did I read the same thing and just miss all of this? It's right there when you dig into it. Your efforts and research have not gone unnoticed, fantastic video 10/10
I feel like somehow in some unknown mechanic, the Captain is the personality of Jahad had he not become king. He reminds me of data jahad after Bam ignited his "adventurers spirit". Maybe something happened which led to Jahad to literally expel that part of him from himself so he could attain power and become king of the tower. Kind of like Kami expelling Piccolo in DBZ. Except the captain doesn't possess the same power of Jahad. Like he's a wandering weakened Jahad that knows things and wants to see what happens when a "second Jahad" comes around and makes a different choice than Jahad did.
Time to make another boss video
Now after chapter 640:or 641 of season 3 we know what is red light district 😳😉
the chapter was crazy
So glad to see ToG lore back on the page!!
Coming back here from the most recent Bone reaction...
Bones' theory about the boss aligns well with what data Jahad says, like, "I'm sending you to my future self so it won't become apathetic and has to experience a new adventure". Edit: "you" being Bam ofc
Could this be Phantaminum or a third sibbling of wangnan and karaka? 👀
Edit: I just finished the video but he is a really interesting character, one of my favorites and yeah, one of Jahad's "sons" makes more sense
Where is furuta the clown ? You madlad you actually did it!! Bonehead responded to your calls!!
Anyway, the boss is legit the most interesting plotline s3 has introduced, really hyped to see what SIU gonna do with him.
He has finally heard my call
I have been asking myself yuri jahard has seen jahard the king but never suspected Ja wangna in the hell train before bam was about to prepare to fight Kaiser.
Garam said 12 companions, 10 are the family heads and the others 2 are Arlene and V, I don't understand what u mean? Can u explain?
@@karaka2253 oh yeah memory loss
Since jahad 's symbol is 3 eyed symbol and he has 3 kings it also makes sense that he has 3 prince. Also there many stories about v, Arlene and bam throughout the tower as said by cha, hidden grove was also told story about a child of two great people who will return to the tower and all so what i am trying to say is captain isn't the only one who knew about i do, he do probably have some destiny viewing ability but that kind of ability doesn't make you omniscient even jahad didn't knew about bam is still alive until he met him on hidden floor.
Hmm. Maybe we'll learn more about him if he and Bam have an encounter later on.
I think that if The Boss can indeed read fate, I think he is curious more so about whether or not Bam can actually change fate. You know Bam has always been one to say things like "I'll find my own answers", or "I'll destroy that destiny". I'm not sure if an irregular has that ability. But if they do maybe the change that The Boss is talking about is a change of fate, rather than just a change to the tower that is "supposed" to happen.
i personally like the idea of the moles simbolizing imperfections as they being clones of jahad that can never actually be like jahad himself.
He may be the real jahad.. And The one pretending to be him is just a imposter.
You think the jahad order them to go after bam to set up the 2 to fight each other and a 3 party swoop in from behind?
well theoretically I will say he's one of the axis who works with phataminum or the axis of tog. We know that phanta is not the axis of tog. Thus he knows about bam who was destined to come at the tower
Still here asking for a Ghost Theory and hoping 🤞🤞🤞
Jahad’s symbol has 3 eyes and there are 3 princes🤔
Anybody got the chapter where the boss is introduced because I totally forgot about this dude?
S3 Episode 45!
@@drbonehead Thanks Joe! 🤛
So, my theory is that one of the Captains is the brother of Karaka, they are all similar looking to Jahad like Wagnan. Chances are Jahad had attempted to make replications of himself using the workshop, the reason being that Jahad wished to have control of a specific power(to see into the future, n more) as well as have a version of him inside the tower(maybe to have more people of Jahads power level to carry on climbing the tower, but failed??), if he succeeded in creating one version he probably wont stop there, creating more copies of himself and let them enter the tower to one day ascend again. So the Captain is a group of clones of Jahad with specific powers that the Jahad himself could not acquire himself. This might also explain their fascination with Baam. Considering the captains are clones, they probably have high authority within the army.They gamble weather Baam can bring a change in the tower, they decide to help him at times because they are sick of how the Great heads and Jahad were doing things. The red light district is vague, if Jahad had a male heir as opposed to the princesses the whole tower would know of it. The red light district is the place where the great families allowed Jahad to make clones of himself. It probably failed or is a potential work in progress, if it failed they probably would have been killed, they may also be the last survivors of a potential limitless amount of clones. Tl;dr SIU is giving me a headache.
What if the 3 princes are like pieces of Jahad's soul and are an insurance policy in case an irregular can challenge him. Kind of like Voldermort has Horcruxes that stop him from being killed.
easy, he's the friends we made along the tower
Huh? what do you mean by this?
Perhaps Bam might literally start a democracy or perhaps deciding to give up ruling and ignores everything as he's chilling and playing video games.
And now the Boss is in action again.
What if Jahad has been cloning himself?
That is what the princes of the red light district are. Wagnan, Karaka, and the Boss are all most likely clones. That is why they have similar personalities to Jahad. Karaka is more like late stage Jahad, while the Boss and Wangnan are more like early stage Jahad. My guess is that he sealed their power and memories and I feel as though they are much stronger than we think. What if they are the final cursed people with their power sealed.
I think the Boss and Wangnan are simulacrums or shades of Jahad. I think they each are represented by one of the eyes of jahads symbol.
Plus Karaka and then you have the three sons like the three eyes of Jahad 😈
@@karaka2253 100% I forgot to add him honestly
Take a shot every time Dr bonehead says “ The Boss” in this video. It’s too much fun
I think it’s karaka out of his armour since karaka should look sort of like wangwan.
One idea that popped up in my head is that the boss and Zahad are brothers and they are competing with each other and that's why the boss is helping Bam.
I think Maschenny is in cahoots with “The Boss”.
Bruh i won't even be surprised if he turns out to be a aizen type character who planned everything till his death
We finally see"the Boss" make his move.
What if the Boss actually works for phantaminum
Nice theory
Could it be that jahad wanted to make clones of him self so they could be the 3 Lords of the tower, since we do know from the hidden floor that the only person jahad really trust is himself, so it would make sense for him to make clones of himself to become the 3 Lords, but they somehow failed.
I made a translation covering this very topic made by a Korean ToG TH-camr - I sent a google doc link to you on Patreon.
I was wondering if the "boss" is the part of Jahad he lost when he became more like a demon and immortal like they were talking about with data jahad...people splitting apart and the other part becoming alive happens like with White.. would be kind of cool if the "good" or younger side of Jahad is still kicking it and trying to help Baam from the shadows.
ok,i know,im 2 weeks later with this comment,but i have a personal theory that it's REALLY similar.
For me Karaka,The Boss and Wangnan are 3 ""incarnation"" of different Jahad "skills".
In fact only The Boss manifest the power to see future.
Wangnan it's basically have no capability except for a straordinary luck.
About Karaka we don't know to much but one thing is sure,he become a slayer immediately after becoming a ranker (a title reserved for high rankers) and fougth against Yuri,a Jahad princess top 500 ranker and Evan,another high ranker.
Also he have a fake immortality and an unique shinsoo quality that can controll gravity,time and space (also remember that teleport skills are the rarest in the tower and only few top-high rankers have them)
For me The Boss is the ""clone"" that has inherited the Jahad's capability to "see the future".
Wangnan inherited the "luck" or "fate" of Jahad.
Karaka inherited the "power" or the "talent" of Jahad (like the princess but with a lot better skills and potential,because he is a "pure blood")
In my opinion princess and princes are part of a bigger Jahad's plan to get arround the tower rules and not to be more a "fake ruler"
He is probably one of the princes of the Red Light District, and probably related to Karaka and Jahad.
the boss is SIU, he just retelling his thousand years ( if not milllion) of adventure
Hes the author and already knows where the story is leading
Also, speaking of clones, I think Rachel has some connection to the king as well... Just putting that out there
Since Jahad was ''forced'' to start the whole princess thing so that he can find a woman powerful enough to not die from jahad's power(I'm really curious to know what part of the process is supposed to be lethal...probably the baby itself being too powerful but hey we can always wonder) and that we know that jahad doesn't want to marry, maybe the princes were a failed plan B where he tried to clone himself.
Also I may misremember but I think Hwaryun said that Wangnan(and probably the others) was the biggest mistake of the ten families, not jahad, so maybe they tried that first, failed, then said ''ok we tried now marry one of our daughters''. It would make sense since the pressure to have an heir seems to come from the warriors and not the king himself. Now why would they want an immortal to have an heir so much. Maybe there is a clause in Jahad's contract were his invulnerability/invincibility is supposed to be temporary only for the time it takes to choose a successor. Also I said the cloning came first because there didn't seem to be princesses during the time of genesis since Maschenny, who seems to be old by princesses standart wasn't there to see it and the boss was already born.
It's probably not that but hey it's a theory
Solid theory, mine is much more simple, it was part of his immortality contract and a side effect of sealing the higher levels of the tower.
The line implying that the boss may be multiple people reads to me like he has a split personality
i really appreciate this video , good work!!!
the new look for this video is great
He's probably the reason why jahad said yall not going up the tower no more I'm locking the door 😄 so he's tryina make sure bam opens that dam door
YES you’re finally talking about him!
It's really a good video hope you'll make videos like these more
ToG lore are the best
Maybe Jahad tried to have some princes first and then came to the princesses system ?
Thinking about this: in the jahad symbol there are 3 dots= 3 moles and 3 eyes maybe representing jahad seeing the fate of his 3 "sons". The sign seem to be older than jahad himself tho (I dont remember correctly) so maybe they are part of something even greater than the tower itself that jahad have planned
Maybe the captain didn’t know all the future, but just some of it .
He’s just Jahad disguised, or he’s Phantomonium or whatever his name is lol
He knows so much just like axis users. I think it’s phantaminum
The boss always struck me as a guide. He has the same vibe as hwaryun
In my opinion they are more likely clones of Jahad. Red light district can also points to workshop meddling. Since let's say something goes wrong you have red light alert. Also it is not out of capability of workshop to have special space called red light district. And since they don't know about each other princes of red light district and the ring being the only distinguishable how to recognize each other they may have not even be created the same and also at the same time....
Also guys most of the time generally prefer to have son than a daughter. Since every prince of the red light district seems to have a bit of an ood or special power ''inhereted'' from the king.
This is huge topic and hope we will soon get another clue to have more precise prediction.
Keep up the good theories and for SIU to be healthy.
PEACE
The 3 eyes on Jahads Rings are for his 3 children/princes The Boss/Wangnan/ Karaka.
I really think The Boss, Karaka and Wangnan are all somehow linked to Jahard..... And their connection to fate...three Eyes on the Jahard symbol... Three guys
In the return of the prince under the jahad symbol there are 3 dots maybe because the 3 princess got a dot on them separately.
Boss is Jahads younger self before everything went to shit.
3 clones for the 3 eyes symbole, maybe he can see through them and foresee "fate"
In my opinion, there must be something more that he said to Cha. As Cha wants to help Bam because he thinks that "Bam" is going to suffer a lot in his pursuit and he wants to lessen the load. How does he know that? or did he get to this conclusion on his own?
Oh my god maybe this is the guy who shows up out of nowhere in ch 534 the yellow haired guy
He call himself the 'Captain'
Well it is him..
@@Ging0009 that's crazy man🔥
Triplets From the Red Light district Makes sense!!
Could they be Jahad but from parallel universes?
It would make sense if they have already lived through the events of the story, maybe they are in a time loop?
I always thought the Boss and the Captain were two different people.
I think the captain has multiple personality disorder because I don’t think it was a different person but a different person mentally
THE LORE IS SO RICH
I think the person who spoke to cha and dohan is Jahad and the who is know as the boss is another person
The boss is clearly Angela Bower