Pretty standard for Spektrum to keep us in the dark about fully utilizing the capabilities of their gear. Why I don’t buy Spektrum any longer and why I follow you, Shane!
Horizon Hobby are the "Apple" of the Rc community, they make themselves look good through branding and advertizing, and have proprietary programming so only you can do what they want you to do with the device.
From what I've heard from people, when you set up thrust reverse with the AeroScout motor, it's wear and tear on that motor over time if you don't wait for the prop to fully stop. That particular one isn't designed to be reversed on purpose. Some EDF planes will have this functionality because they have a different motor made specifically for RT and have to land at a very fast rate.
@@robertcooper3746 thats why you setup the brake and use my logic to e sure the motor is stopped before it goes to reverse. I know many folks that use it a lot on this plane without issue. I only activate it for a few seconds on landing, have had zero issues so far. Only failed motors I hear about are from people that try to run it on 4S.
Thank you, Shane!!! That got me all set up. I have put an afterburner on all my edf jets but just put one on my new viper 70mm and when it is plugged in and I hit the throttle it pulses. Unplugged it's normal. Ever run into that? Hope you're feeling better, and thanks again for always giving such great information. You have made the hobby more enjoyable being we run into tough spots on these things..lol
The motor pulses or the afterburner? I've never used one of those afterburners personally but my first thought is to check the battery voltage on the battery you are using to test. If it's low and the voltage drops below the low volt cutoff, it would start pulsing the motor. Unplug the afterburner and the voltage is a bit higher? Watched some reviews on afterburners and seen some of them "pulse" to look like it igniting. Just a couple thoughts, no experience with those at all...
Shane FYI and for anyone else reading this. That ESC that comes with the new Viper 70mm can not work with the afterburner due to telemetry and fights with the throttle adding that light kit. Thanks again for your help in this video setting up my rev thrust!@@shanesdiy
...thanks for explaining the motor reverse feature on my Aeroscout which came with the Avian 30 amp ESC without complicated ESC programming . You were correct....I was able to follow your steps using my Spectrum DX6.
Hey Shane, OK, I found it and you wanted a comment as to where it is at so here you go. For setting the number of poles for the AreoScout motor, in your transmitter go to Telemetry then to Smart ESC. I had to select it twice to get in. From there you will see that the pole value is inhibited select it and scroll the wheel to the pole number or 14. Back out or save however you have to do it on your transmitter and there you go. Hope this helps you and others.
Yep that yellow wire is for the esc programming box to setup different settings. For people that dont have forward programming. I set up a esc once using the box
@shanesdiy Did you never make a video on how to setup SAFE on the tx16s. I read about so many people on Facebook trying to get SAFE to work. Like what channel or switch . I noticed in this video you had SAFE on ch 7 , is that where SAFE is at or did you make that your own channel
I have many videos on safe and the tx16s, forward programming, etc. Take a look through my "RC Guides" playlist. AeroScout in stock form uses channel 5 for safe on/off. This one is unlocked so I moved safe to ch7. Ch5 is the second aileron so I could do flaperons.
@@MammothPaige No it is not. It is for the Spektrum Programmer. Many manufacturers use that wire on a spare channel for activating reverse, it does not do that in the Avian ESC. I've tried it just to be sure and also it is in the Avian ESC manuals that it connects to the programmer.
No, reverse thrust through the Avian ESC is separate from Forward Programming. If you have the proper Lua scripts on the radio to program the Avian it doesn't matter if the receiver is locked.
@@austinbaker7599 receiver needs to stay in the same place and position if you plan to use the gyro unless you'll be unlocking it. I just worked the Avian back under the receiver and zip tied it to the board where the old one was. It is larger but I got it in there without messing with the receiver.
@@austinbaker7599 pretty much, yes. Think I just got the wires up by the board and worked a zip tie around them, front and back. Just keep them away from the control rods and servos.
@@cattoymaker1 This isn't the manual specifically for the Avian Lite series but some of it might be similar though I have not checked. Try setup from this manual at your own risk but here is a link to the standard Avian ESC. www.spektrumrc.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-horizon-master/default/dwb627f043/Manuals/Avian-Manual-EN.pdf
I have an avian esc and I don't have the option for dsm smart rx telemetry on my tx16s how do I get that option? Do I need edgetx or can I do it on open tx
The developer told me those scripts require EdgeTx 2.8.4 or higher so you may need to upgrade your radio firmware. In my Spektrum to EdgeTX forward programming series in Episode 1 we install much of this software. The TextGen wasn't out yet. In episode 3 towards the end I talk about it and show the new link. The TextGen is now part of the DSM Tools package along with the Forward Programming.
I do not think so, at least not until someone cracks it. The Spektrum Smart receiver is the communication interface with the ESC. The ESC doesn't have any physical input to trigger reverse, it is sent via the XBus to the ESC through the receiver. Just like all the Forward Programming stuff via EdgeTX, I imagine some smart people will "crack" it if properly motivated. When I have a chance I will see if one of my FrSky SBus receivers will connect to it but I'm not too confident.
@@shanesdiy that's what I thought. It's a shame. Spectrum receivers are so darn expensive it's hardly worth it to buy them. I wish there were more options for reversing ESCs that worked with other brands of receivers. The more time goes on the less I like horizon.
Oddly manufacturers don't seem to advertise it but there are a few that have reverse. Hard to know for sure what to buy though when they don't show it. FMS Sky Trainer 182 and the 1400mm Kingfisher are known to have reverse that works off an available PWM servo channel. They have a 40A Predator ESC and there is a single yellow wire on the servo harness that activates reverse. Confuses many because the Avian also has the yellow wire but it is not for reverse on the Avian.
Hi. It is kind of late maybe my question since video is already a year old. I have a turbo timber evo and i fly it with a TARANIS. I use the B&W version of DSM tools and it works fine. I setup the plane fully and everything works than reverse. I setup exactly as you do it just in the simple B&W environment. Any idea? I have another eflite plane and there i managed to make it work fine!
Were you able to access the Avian ESC setup menu, set braking to "Reverse" and assign the desired channel to reverse? Might want to go back in to the Avian menu and make sure it got saved. I've been able to access the Avian setup with my B&W Zorro and had no trouble with it. What version of DSM Tools are you using?
@@shanesdiy Thx for the reply. Yes everything are setup correctly. I bought even a programmer box just to make sure that everything are as they sould and update the esc firmware if there were a need for that. But still the reverse doesn’t work! Can it be a faulty ESC?
@@Balthazar030 I suppose it's possible the ESC has a problem. What channel did you assign for reverse and are you sure your switch and channel setup is sending the correct value to the receiver.
@@Balthazar030 What port on the receiver is your ESC plugged into? Using receiver port #1? While connected to the receiver, can you see ESC telemetry data with the DSM Smart RX lua script on the radio?
DSM Smart Rx Telemetry not listed on my. My AeroScout is brand new, I would think it has the correct ESC. Edgetx is 2.9.1, do I need to update, or install a script?
Hard to see the AeroScout ESC since it is buried under the receiver plate. The Avian is quite a bit larger than the little/older Hobbyzone ESC they used to come with. Which radio are you using? You probably need to install the scripts on the radio for Forward Programming as well as the DSM Smart Rx, the Multi-Module firmware didn't come with any of the recent scripts until recently and the DSM tools are being updated fairly frequently. The github link in this video description is where you get the latest scripts. Forward Programming just got an update this week, DSM Smart RX was last updated in May.
It's the same ESC you installed in this video. The Tx is Radio master Tx16s Firmware 2.10.2 Next step is to decipher the scripts and where they go. So far so good 👍
@@daveshirley8995 I cover it through a few videos but it's a little scattered through a few different videos. Been thinking it was time to do another video on the subject, just a short dedicated video on installing the latest scripts and also how to update if you have an old one as there is an extra step or two. I might do that video this weekend since we've recently released a Forward Programming update to add the new Spektrum 3.x firmware update. Keep an eye out for that if you haven't figured it out yet.
@@shanesdiy I have everything figured out except the logic for the Rev. Thrust on a single switch. I'll have to rearrange my panic switch since it's using the momentary switch
@@daveshirley8995 rather than panic i just use a special function to keep channel 6 at +100 all the time to effectively disable panic (assuming your receiver is still locked and you can't turn it off). If I ever "panic" in flight I just throw it into safe mode. That'll free up the momentary switch. I've also added another momentary button on the back of my TX16S I could use. To see that install watch the recent "TX16S audio upgrade 2.0" video. FYI later today I'll be dropping the video on installing or updating the latest DSM Tools. Sounds like you've got it but been getting that question a lot so decided it was time to do it.
Pretty standard for Spektrum to keep us in the dark about fully utilizing the capabilities of their gear. Why I don’t buy Spektrum any longer and why I follow you, Shane!
Horizon Hobby are the "Apple" of the Rc community, they make themselves look good through branding and advertizing, and have proprietary programming so only you can do what they want you to do with the device.
Huge help. Shane you make the hobby what it is expected to be fun. Very much appreciate your help and patients.
Thanks for spending your precious time to help others!
Thank you so much!
FYI: Be sure to tighten the prop nut very securely before using the reverse thrust. (don't ask how I know)
Yep, I mention that in the video.
Me encanta los videos que impliquen el Radiomaster Tx16s. Excelente trabajo, saludos desde Cuba
¡Gracias, me alegro de que te resulten útiles!
Thank you, I am happy you find them useful!
From what I've heard from people, when you set up thrust reverse with the AeroScout motor, it's wear and tear on that motor over time if you don't wait for the prop to fully stop. That particular one isn't designed to be reversed on purpose. Some EDF planes will have this functionality because they have a different motor made specifically for RT and have to land at a very fast rate.
@@robertcooper3746 thats why you setup the brake and use my logic to e sure the motor is stopped before it goes to reverse. I know many folks that use it a lot on this plane without issue. I only activate it for a few seconds on landing, have had zero issues so far. Only failed motors I hear about are from people that try to run it on 4S.
Another donation ... this time for clear instructions on thrust reverse. Thanks!
I really appreciate the donation and kind words! Thank you! Let me know if there is a particular challenge you need a video guide to help you with!
Thank you, Shane!!! That got me all set up. I have put an afterburner on all my edf jets but just put one on my new viper 70mm and when it is plugged in and I hit the throttle it pulses. Unplugged it's normal. Ever run into that? Hope you're feeling better, and thanks again for always giving such great information. You have made the hobby more enjoyable being we run into tough spots on these things..lol
The motor pulses or the afterburner? I've never used one of those afterburners personally but my first thought is to check the battery voltage on the battery you are using to test. If it's low and the voltage drops below the low volt cutoff, it would start pulsing the motor. Unplug the afterburner and the voltage is a bit higher? Watched some reviews on afterburners and seen some of them "pulse" to look like it igniting. Just a couple thoughts, no experience with those at all...
Shane FYI and for anyone else reading this. That ESC that comes with the new Viper 70mm can not work with the afterburner due to telemetry and fights with the throttle adding that light kit. Thanks again for your help in this video setting up my rev thrust!@@shanesdiy
...thanks for explaining the motor reverse feature on my Aeroscout which came with the Avian 30 amp ESC without complicated ESC programming . You were correct....I was able to follow your steps using
my Spectrum DX6.
Excellent video. This is something I might try with my Spektrum NX8.👍🏻🙂
Wonderful video. You told us then showed us and the results were easily replicated. 🎉
Thank you for putting this video together and also for your help with getting safe on my draco!
Hey Shane, OK, I found it and you wanted a comment as to where it is at so here you go. For setting the number of poles for the AreoScout motor, in your transmitter go to Telemetry then to Smart ESC. I had to select it twice to get in. From there you will see that the pole value is inhibited select it and scroll the wheel to the pole number or 14. Back out or save however you have to do it on your transmitter and there you go. Hope this helps you and others.
I've seen that selection in the menu but haven't taken the time to experiment with it. I will check it out. Appreciate the update!
Yep that yellow wire is for the esc programming box to setup different settings. For people that dont have forward programming. I set up a esc once using the box
Thanks for confirming! So many wrong answers out there nice to provide correct information.
@shanesdiy Did you never make a video on how to setup SAFE on the tx16s. I read about so many people on Facebook trying to get SAFE to work. Like what channel or switch . I noticed in this video you had SAFE on ch 7 , is that where SAFE is at or did you make that your own channel
I have many videos on safe and the tx16s, forward programming, etc. Take a look through my "RC Guides" playlist. AeroScout in stock form uses channel 5 for safe on/off. This one is unlocked so I moved safe to ch7. Ch5 is the second aileron so I could do flaperons.
Yellow wire is for reversing the prop
@@MammothPaige No it is not. It is for the Spektrum Programmer. Many manufacturers use that wire on a spare channel for activating reverse, it does not do that in the Avian ESC. I've tried it just to be sure and also it is in the Avian ESC manuals that it connects to the programmer.
Amazon is bringing me one today. I really appreciate your video. I too saw on your package 3s-6s and thinking I got ripped off. 😅
I use the xtra wire for a small alarm you can buy cheap.
What extra wire are you referring to to use for an alarm? The yellow wire from the ESC? How would you use that for an alarm?
Do you need the 631 receiver. UNLOCKED to program reverse on channel 9
No, reverse thrust through the Avian ESC is separate from Forward Programming. If you have the proper Lua scripts on the radio to program the Avian it doesn't matter if the receiver is locked.
I have a stupid question, what would be the best way to secure the ESC like it was stock? Should I cut out the radio receiver get more access ?
@@austinbaker7599 receiver needs to stay in the same place and position if you plan to use the gyro unless you'll be unlocking it.
I just worked the Avian back under the receiver and zip tied it to the board where the old one was. It is larger but I got it in there without messing with the receiver.
@@shanesdiy 10-4.
How did you end you securing your esc back in place after you made the swap? Same zip tie spots in the wood on the top there?
@@austinbaker7599 pretty much, yes. Think I just got the wires up by the board and worked a zip tie around them, front and back. Just keep them away from the control rods and servos.
Could you share the manual?
What manual are you referring to?
@@shanesdiysorry i didn’t watch the part where you mentioned that there was no manual
@@cattoymaker1 This isn't the manual specifically for the Avian Lite series but some of it might be similar though I have not checked. Try setup from this manual at your own risk but here is a link to the standard Avian ESC.
www.spektrumrc.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-horizon-master/default/dwb627f043/Manuals/Avian-Manual-EN.pdf
@@shanesdiy thank you ill see if it the menu matches up
I have an avian esc and I don't have the option for dsm smart rx telemetry on my tx16s how do I get that option? Do I need edgetx or can I do it on open tx
The developer told me those scripts require EdgeTx 2.8.4 or higher so you may need to upgrade your radio firmware. In my Spektrum to EdgeTX forward programming series in Episode 1 we install much of this software. The TextGen wasn't out yet. In episode 3 towards the end I talk about it and show the new link. The TextGen is now part of the DSM Tools package along with the Forward Programming.
Do you know if you can use these with non spectrum receivers and still use the reverse function?
I do not think so, at least not until someone cracks it. The Spektrum Smart receiver is the communication interface with the ESC. The ESC doesn't have any physical input to trigger reverse, it is sent via the XBus to the ESC through the receiver. Just like all the Forward Programming stuff via EdgeTX, I imagine some smart people will "crack" it if properly motivated.
When I have a chance I will see if one of my FrSky SBus receivers will connect to it but I'm not too confident.
@@shanesdiy that's what I thought. It's a shame. Spectrum receivers are so darn expensive it's hardly worth it to buy them. I wish there were more options for reversing ESCs that worked with other brands of receivers. The more time goes on the less I like horizon.
Oddly manufacturers don't seem to advertise it but there are a few that have reverse. Hard to know for sure what to buy though when they don't show it. FMS Sky Trainer 182 and the 1400mm Kingfisher are known to have reverse that works off an available PWM servo channel. They have a 40A Predator ESC and there is a single yellow wire on the servo harness that activates reverse. Confuses many because the Avian also has the yellow wire but it is not for reverse on the Avian.
Hi. It is kind of late maybe my question since video is already a year old. I have a turbo timber evo and i fly it with a TARANIS. I use the B&W version of DSM tools and it works fine. I setup the plane fully and everything works than reverse. I setup exactly as you do it just in the simple B&W environment. Any idea? I have another eflite plane and there i managed to make it work fine!
Were you able to access the Avian ESC setup menu, set braking to "Reverse" and assign the desired channel to reverse? Might want to go back in to the Avian menu and make sure it got saved. I've been able to access the Avian setup with my B&W Zorro and had no trouble with it. What version of DSM Tools are you using?
@@shanesdiy Thx for the reply. Yes everything are setup correctly. I bought even a programmer box just to make sure that everything are as they sould and update the esc firmware if there were a need for that. But still the reverse doesn’t work! Can it be a faulty ESC?
@@Balthazar030 I suppose it's possible the ESC has a problem. What channel did you assign for reverse and are you sure your switch and channel setup is sending the correct value to the receiver.
@@shanesdiy I tried 7,8,9 and my 3 pos switch assigned to them it goes -100, 0, 100.
@@Balthazar030 What port on the receiver is your ESC plugged into? Using receiver port #1?
While connected to the receiver, can you see ESC telemetry data with the DSM Smart RX lua script on the radio?
DSM Smart Rx Telemetry not listed on my. My AeroScout is brand new, I would think it has the correct ESC. Edgetx is 2.9.1, do I need to update, or install a script?
Hard to see the AeroScout ESC since it is buried under the receiver plate. The Avian is quite a bit larger than the little/older Hobbyzone ESC they used to come with.
Which radio are you using? You probably need to install the scripts on the radio for Forward Programming as well as the DSM Smart Rx, the Multi-Module firmware didn't come with any of the recent scripts until recently and the DSM tools are being updated fairly frequently.
The github link in this video description is where you get the latest scripts. Forward Programming just got an update this week, DSM Smart RX was last updated in May.
It's the same ESC you installed in this video.
The Tx is Radio master Tx16s
Firmware 2.10.2
Next step is to decipher the scripts and where they go.
So far so good 👍
@@daveshirley8995 I cover it through a few videos but it's a little scattered through a few different videos. Been thinking it was time to do another video on the subject, just a short dedicated video on installing the latest scripts and also how to update if you have an old one as there is an extra step or two. I might do that video this weekend since we've recently released a Forward Programming update to add the new Spektrum 3.x firmware update.
Keep an eye out for that if you haven't figured it out yet.
@@shanesdiy I have everything figured out except the logic for the Rev. Thrust on a single switch. I'll have to rearrange my panic switch since it's using the momentary switch
@@daveshirley8995 rather than panic i just use a special function to keep channel 6 at +100 all the time to effectively disable panic (assuming your receiver is still locked and you can't turn it off). If I ever "panic" in flight I just throw it into safe mode.
That'll free up the momentary switch. I've also added another momentary button on the back of my TX16S I could use. To see that install watch the recent "TX16S audio upgrade 2.0" video.
FYI later today I'll be dropping the video on installing or updating the latest DSM Tools. Sounds like you've got it but been getting that question a lot so decided it was time to do it.