The Danish Girl - I Thought You Knew Scene (5/10) | Movieclips
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Einar (Eddie Redmayne) tells Gerda (Alicia Vikander) about his affair with Henrik (Ben Whishaw).
FILM DESCRIPTION:
After standing in as a female model for a painting by his wife Gerda (Alicia Vikander), Danish artist Einar Wegener (Eddie Redmayne) becomes enamored with his feminine identity and begins living as a woman named Lili Elbe. Although their marriage becomes strained, Gerda stands by Lili as she explores her true self and eventually undergoes one of the world's first gender-reassignment surgeries in the 1930s. This touching biopic was adapted from David Ebershoff's book of the same name, and helmed by director Tom Hooper (The King's Speech).
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Cast: Eddie Redmayne, Alicia Vikander
Director: Tom Hooper
Producers: Ulf Israel, Tom Hooper, Tim Bevan, Anne Harrison, Linda Reisman, Gail Mutrux, Eric Fellner, Jane Robertson
Screenwriters: Lucinda Coxon, David Ebershoff
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This must have been such a difficult role for Eddie to play
I don't understand how people think it would be hard? It's probably not easy duh, but still. I don't understand
@@geeswithane7yrago303 eyy rogerina
@@geeswithane7yrago303 maybe because it is a person struggling with their gender identity in an era where that was considered abnormal. I dunno.
@@geeswithane7yrago303 being an actor doesn’t mean you just act it out. For someone to play a role like this they really have to KNOW their characters. This movie is literally a roller coaster of emotions so I do think it’s quite hard
Alicia Vikander is not an actress. An artist rather, those expression look too real. No one could have done Eddie's role better than him, hes soo talented. This movie is a masterpiece.
I feel bad for Gerda. She did all of her best to support her husband Einar as well as Lili. But what did she get out of all of it? Pain
Lots and lots of it
That goes for all trans widows who invariably become the victims of these selfish men.
It's arrogant and transphobic of you to call trans women "selfish men". Lili cheated on Gerda before this scene...
@@Emma-ym7hz I've known women who faced this. I think if you want to solve the problem, you allow people to be who they are from an early age...then people won't get into relationships that aren't right for them and neither party will be deceived. Both of these people experienced pain, pain caused by societies insistence that you conform to their rules rather than be who you are.
@@christinep. what do you mean by "you allow people to be who they are from an early age" how early, what age? What age is acceptable to you.
A heart is a heavy burden
I think Eddie deserved an oscar
I think DiCaprio deserved it. It was time for him to finally win it.
Eddie outacted DiCaprio that year imo. I've seen roles like DiCaprio's play out a thousand times, but what Eddie did was a 1st for me. DiCaprio deserved his Oscar for Django Unchained, but didn't even get nominated, which was a snub imo. DiCaprio's role in Revenant wasn't that hard to play, I mean, many good actors could've played it just as well, but I can't imagine many actors playing Eddie's role as well as he did.
I belive decaprio could have waited for just another year. But Eddie deserved it. His acting was so beautiful in this one. The way he portray the man who was married but was not what he pretended to be all his life and then slowly explored a completely different world. His confusion over the lily's feeling and his own thinking they r two differnt people then showing the transition, realization.
He deserved it.
Keisha Brooks I think DiCaprio deserved it more, but if he wasn’t in the running the same year, I think Eddie would have won.
He definitely did
It’s so sad to read how Eddie thinks that he was wrong to take the role of Lilly in this movie. I think he did amazing and he’s such a good actor. He shows how far he has come as an actor. Been a fan of his since les Miserables.
It not because he didn’t believe he did an amazing job, rather there was criticism why the role didn’t go to a transgender instead of a heterosexual man
One of his best roles
@@rumiexpresse9049 I think the criticism comes from people who do not understand that acting is a craft. You are a good actor because you can detached yourself from who you are to tell a story. What if tomorrow a transgender man wanted to play a historical biological male role? Is he not going to be able to do it because he isn't a biological male?
I’m going to be very honest. A lot of trans actors,not all,can’t act. Elliot page has been in the acting world for a long time, but I remember seeing The dropout,and there is a Trans woman in it. And her acting was terrible.But she was cast because she was trans.All I’m saying is that studios aren’t quick to spend money on no name actors,trans or not. When Scarlett wanted to play a trans character and trans people said no,it was more of a blow to them,because those investors only wanted to make the movie because of her name.
Source of humour to me that we are supposed to pretend transwomen are the same as women in every single way- sport, spaces, language, etc. Except for acting. Then, in the world of acting, its a notable difference.
...That is something even Monty Python wouldnt have been able to conjure up.
Women are not rehabilitation centers. Awkward intersectionality. Yeah, you can support trans people not being murdered, not being assaulted, being happy. You don't need to give up your life, romance, and happiness for it
Rebecca Evans i mean being trans isnt the problem. its about the person not their gender. lilis a drain on her wife because shes a cheater, and i know it stems from being trans, but thats not why shes problematic yknow? people marry/love trans people all the time and its perfectly healthy
sarah sandoval she never said being trans is the problem. She is saying that you basically shouldn’t use women and strip them of their happiness for it. Don’t know where you got that comment from
@@alextroy9202 I assume of how people think of women as emotional and mother nurture support.
The moment you realize the story is not about Lilly rather Gerda
The book is written that way too. It is a trans woman's life through the eyes of a cis partner. There are of course many stories to be told... but the film is just bad.
she deserved the oscar they were so unfair with her..
Uh ... what? She won.
Eddie should have won, but Alicia Vikander actually won the Oscar for her performance.
Was thinking the same. Would that have made him the first actor to win two best actor Oscars back to back? He had won the previous year for playing Stephen Hawkins.
Rudi Makole no tom hanks won back to back oscars for Philadelphia and Forrest Gump
She won an oscar for this!
I love the fact the first thing Gerda said when he saw her wasn’t “*are you insane?*” or “*are you crazy?*” , she asked if she was *alright* instead.
i think alicia is the best actress we've got now isn't she? i mean she's better than jenlaw for sure.
Ekharisti Lidya No way... Jennifer is a much better actress
To me, Jessica Chastain is the real deal, but Alicia is pretty good too
Jessica is amazing. I really like Alicia too.
I think Jennifer is overrated. I don't hate her, but I think her maturity makes it harder for her to play adult roles.
I love Jenn (yes, even now) but there's no way to deny she's overrated and less talented than Jessica and Alicia
Eddie should’ve won this Oscar , dicaprio should’ve won it before for so many times !
I'm more upset at the fact that he's referring to himself (Lily) in third person.
Thecrimson witch he did that because that’s how the real lily did, because back then being transgender was a very new thing and thats the only way she felt like she could express herself. The film is just keeping it true to how it really was like for lily back then :))
@@morganwilson3847 he
Thorsten she* lily was a woman
He's sick, that's why he does. She feeds his delusion and well... he ends up DEAD. Look at his life before the whole Lilly, he had a balanced life & was happily married.
Kitty Granollers clearly he wasnt happily married
Can someone please explain to me - why does Lili/Einer seem to just stop loving Gerda once he becomes Lili? He was so in love with her before. Why does transitioning change that? Is this common for transgender people? Or is it because Lili seemed to have had two separate personalities (one that loved Gerda and one that didn't?), rather than only gender dysphoria? I'd really like to understand, thank you.
Same...someone please respond to this
This is my understanding of it - there's the scene where Lili tries to dress as Einer again when Gerda says "I want my husband", but it feels completely wrong. That's the point where Lili knows there's no going back to what it was like before. I think Lili and Gerda never fell out of love spiritually, but Lili was trying to do what she thought was the right thing for Gerda, which is to distance herself because she knows she can never be "Gerda's husband Einer" ever again. In the film you're meant to presume Gerda is straight, so being in a relationship with Lili, the woman, would not have worked.
S F its all sounds so fucked. im confused too
S F same thoughts, i often wonder if he didnt try dressing like a woman, that maybe they wouldn't have a fallout, that they would still be married, and die as a married couple.
S F , Human beings are to an enormous extent (both physically and psychologically) governed by hormones and chemical levels in the brain. Transitioning procedures throw this out of kilter because everything is changing. The product which emerges is an altered being with an altered hormonal/chemical set-up -The same person with the same values etc. but the altered state changes certain structures and perceptions, especially pertaining the emotions which we are talking about. (Think of a boy at a school gate who just suddenly one morning tells his mum not to kiss him goodbye in front of his mates anymore. He is going through a growing phase - It's a changed state but he still loves his mum.) As you know, love can undergo a metamorphosis without vanishing. What did change as Einer changed, was the structure of the love affair and also the way he saw it. But it never stopped.
Eddie deserved an Oscar for this movie, I haven't got the words to describe this incredible actor
2:03 omg...Eddie's eyes are just pure heaven
Being transgender is so excuse to be unfaithful. His wife is such a strong, loving woman.
Is not. That's not the point, and nobody is saying that. It's just a mistake she make, and that's it.
@@daisymagnus306 Pretty sure they meant to type "no" instead of "so"
Agree! We all have a responsibility to treat each other with dignity and transparency. One doesn’t get a pass-go card on being reckless with another person because they’re discovering who they are, etc.
Eddie Redmayne is the best new age actor....
It was her character that held the movie together. Honestly, she was more arresting on screen than Eddie was
*interesting
Hence why she got the Oscar LOL!
I relate to Gerda so much so that watching this scene has brought me to tears. I know how it feels to sacrifice so much and love someone so much yet they don't love you or care about you the same. They leave and they leave you dealing with the aftermath
This movie deserves to be critically acclaimed.
Tally Who it is
It is. I personally have yet to see one negative review on this film. Every film review article I’ve read about this movie has praised it.
I really don't like her husband. Selfish as hell. Should have left her immediately to help her move on.
Cabbage Lettuce exactly, he stayed for her support leaving her lost and broken. Terrible.
She made her choice.
With Love She stayed with him because she loved her husband, but he stayed with her so he wouldn’t be alone. Everything was always about his feelings and problems, and when she needed his support he refused to give it to her. He should’ve left her so she could move on and find someone who would love her like she deserved. He didn’t love her, he was incredibly selfish.
This happens all the time. Some people were born to give, other born to take
With Love
Her choices were to love and support while his were to betray and use. So he’s the bad one.
LILI ELBE
(a sonnet dedicated to a most courageous woman, Lili Elbe)
It’s where the bogs are in THE DANISH GIRL.
It is Vejle where Einar dropped his roots.
Black branches that are Sunday school girl’s curl.
Five trees, to be exact, that bore no fruits.
But then Lili was born, fruits galore, ripe.
Einar was gone, to the bogs I suppose,
maybe always to be in him, his gripe.
It was Lili all along, frilly clothes.
I love people who display bravery
in the face of adversity, doomed fall.
They rise above the bogs to seek savory
white-laced light from Heaven’s Gate; peaceful gall.
Live on Lili; God has blessed your soft heart.
Blessed mine, too, because of you; out-loud art.
Beautiful! Did you write that yourself?
I kinda hated Lily. Gerda deserved so much better treatment than she got. At least, in the movie. In real life she was a lesbian, so they married for cover, so i do no think it was somehow painful for her.
Eddie was robbed of his Oscar.
Leo deserved it too tho
@@cloudynnstyles Not as much as Eddie here.
It feel like he/she had more problems than gender dysphoria it seemed like he/she had multiple personality type thing, because a lot of transgender people say that they are the same person but they just want to look how they feel, but here he/she was talking as if he wasn’t Lilly and that Lilly didn’t feel the same way as he did I find that so weird and concerning
I think because this takes place early in the 20th century(1930s), being trans wasn't a very well known or fully understood thing back then. If anything people of that time would simply assume he was just being gay. So Einer himself probably didn't quite know else how to describe their case other than he felt like a different person entirely as Lily
the way he talks about lily as if she were a diferent person, with a diferent personality, doesnt really look like a transgender senario but more of a double personality, doesnt it? like i feel like trans ppl change their outside to reflect their insides. idk i just found it odd
Lily was a real person and that's how she talked about herself, you have to remember that she didn't know the words we have today, she had no idea how to communicate what she felt
The moment when garda's tear fall.. it only deserves oscar
0:56 her face breaks my heart everytime i see it
Saying that “he’s terrible”. Yes, he is. But having this confusion, it’s not as easy as it looks like. He was broken, THEY were broken, but the way Gerda sacrificed her love for his happiness is what makes this scene amazing. Most people focused on how bad he was as a husband. But the main point here is that when you love someone, truly love someone, their happiness, will always come first. She understands what her husband is going through, and instead of avoiding him, of feeling disgusted by him, she showed him that Lili or Einar, he is normal. That she would love her even if it breaks her. I don’t think calling someone a “horrible” person for being confused or for being torn because of their sexuality, is right. Being gay, coming out, it’s the most terrifying for gay people.
Beautiful!
Bullshit. He was selfish. She wasteed herself on a selfish person.
I understand, but no one is saying they're a horrible person for being confused and torn on their sexuality and gender. People are saying cheating on a loving and caring partner, in any context, is cruel and wrong. It's making a conscious decision to put your confusion above their wellbeing and trust in you. They should have separated before that happened. I understand she chooses to stay and be supportive for a time, but that doesn't validate what happened.
" when you love someone, truly love someone, their happiness, will always come first" I disagree. You may love someone, but you have to love youself more, and always prioritize yourself.
What's confusing about cheating? Sounds like something a cheater would say...
Everyone in the comments saying "being transgender isn't an excuse to cheat", this isnt being trans, this is more like an alter i guess, or being gender fluid, i still don't think it justifies cheating, but this isn't being transgender.
This film is an absolute masterpiece
Gerda was a saint it must've been so difficult for her to be in love with her husband and they we she stood by him even when he became Lily was so beyond admirable. No one can say they'd been fine this it must be so emotionally devastating and it must make a woman or man in the relationship with a trans person feel vey unwanted especially as their respective genders.
...honestly to me this is very disturbing but very amazing at the same time. Both good actors great job🙂
This movie is brilliant and beautifully sensitive , it's subtle differences in how trans people are , and how it affects people they love is touching , people may mistakenly believe that it's a cliche , but as far as trans is not really been discussed or filmed in the mainstream media for some time , this was a very delicate way to reopen the conversation about Trans people. People are quick to become prejudice against others because of ignorance and lack of understanding. Not everything that went into this film was original , but it was executed gracefully and as gently as it could , but The crying game is the opposite side of this world and would be perfect for those who prefer the realism and gritty, defeatist Cliched film of this subject to The artful and subsequent dramatics of this movie.
Eddie even as a woman is still beautiful
I am a woman and he is better as a woman than me
Geia😂 kai symfwnw einai pio wraios apo mena😂
Why so Sirius?
What a dumb comment. Putting on makeup well doesn’t make someone a better woman.
Alicia earned that Oscar..
This scene is so sad, you just want to tell Lily that she's not a freak, she's completely normal and it's all going to be ok.
Lol how do you see lily as the victim here? Beeing trans does NOT allow you to be unfaithful
It didn't go ok. Lily died due to complications of the last operation. I am convinced that Lily loved Gerda, but Gerda loved her more. It was always unfair because Gerda gave so much what Lily couldn't. Lily was all about herself and her identity that Gerda hadn't the space in Lily's life she deserved
She cheated on her wife, that's not okay.
Except it is a disgusting freak. I’m ashamed to share the same name as it
She is a freak
Does he have DID or something? They’re talking about Lili and Einar like they’re 2 different people. Transgender doesn’t mean different personalities, it’s just feeling like a different gender??? I don’t understand why it seems like a multiple personality disorder
That’s a good wife right there I’d flip in this situation
Ok but the dress Lilli was wearing is absolute stunning
Very well acted... my what a sad ending
alicia n eddie deserved an oscar!!!
According to the words in this scene, the way he speaks about himself as Lily in 3rd person, looks more like split personality, doesn't it? The way he changes when he gets back to male look, should that be like that? I mean, everyone is talking about this film as an ode to transgender. But this looks more like psychiatric problems, which, probably could appear on the basis of his transgender nature or maybe on the basis of other circumstances in his life. At least in this dialog this all looks weirdly insane.
Does Alicia deserve her Oscar? I want to know all of your thoughts.
I think she does
Angel Castaneda absolutely!! I really hope she wins more Oscars in the future as well
Angel- I Love Movies O My God , yes yes yes and yes
No. She did not deserve to be put in the Actress in a Supporting Role category, so she won by category fraud. She easily could have been nominated for Actress in a Leading Role but would have lost to Brie Larson. On a completely separate note, I think she should have won an Oscar for her supporting performance in Ex Machina the same year. She was astounding in that film.
Angel- Movie and Marvel Maniac.
She was good, but her win was a fraud. She had a leading lady amount of screaming and won in Supporting Actress category.
Einar didn't stop loving her. ...he just stopped being a "Husband" to her as he knew he won't be able to satisfy her mentally as well as physically. His love never ended. ...it just became different.
2 film in a row Eddie was so amazing first is Stephen Hawking and then is Lili Elbe
This is a touching story and wonderful movie, but what I learned the most is that my life is so much simpler and easier with just some simple shits to deal with compared to theirs.
This is wonderfully acted
This movie is a masterpiece and so powerful. Perfect in every way. I’m going through something so similar. I’m the Gerda in the situation. This movie has served as tremendous inspiration for me emotionally and morally.
I love both of husband and wife ...she really understand his husband💓💓💓
I'm so done reading people's comment about Lily being a freak.
and dude this movie is not glorifying cheating and using the 'being transgender' excuse to cheat. Did y'll even watch the movie? or just the bits here in youtube?
Everyone should watch this movie for the amazing acting and the brilliant score by desplat
In any other universe this would be called schizophrenia.
why i think its like 2 different person in 1 body, i mean their character totally different like he/she have many personality like on split?
it is so Amazing how actors and cry on Cue
this is heart wrenching
Kinda looks like jessica chastain
Seetha that's what I thought!
Seetha OMG LILLY DOES!
Love you Alicia Vikander ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
eddie is so beautiful omg
I have nothing against transgender but this movie just scares me. And make me feel sad.
Wolfman Rick 11 "against transgender" isnt... the best way to put it honey
I feel the same...incredibly sad and well I don't know what to call it..but that somehow draws me to it
As a trans person, this movie scares me in the sense that yes, Lili died by having a surgery that now wouldn't even have much consequence.
It is a very very sad movie, but a very inspirational true story.
Both gave such emotional performances but the main issue that I have with this film is that it presumes that you're identified as female just by putting on a dress and wearing make-up when there's a whole lot more to it than that!
SJMJ91 That's not what it was trying to say. Einar dressing as a woman helped him realize that it's time for his true gender to shine. You see the transition that happens. Lili has her own mind and her own personality in the mind of Einar. Einar dressing as a woman was a way to let Lili shine and introduce herself to the world. I love the way Eddie Redmayne put it. He said that Lili putting on these very formal suits and it was as if Einar became this exoskeleton that Lili puts up to the world so that people wouldn't treat her badly once she fully embraced being a real woman. I think Eddie did a fantastic job of showing that.
I really enjoyed this movie
Honestly don’t think these long fake deep comments would be here if he was just a straight man who cheated on his wife with another woman like every single other marriage.
This scene made me cry
understanding emotion
SPLIT! PERSONALITIES!
Naahhh mate enira/lili is a *trans woman* not a split personality person
I think Leo should have gotten his oscar was before that year so Eddie could win it
I can't understand anything they're saying.
She got to protect her husband from other man
Gerda loves her husband so much, she just wants to help him😞 Gerda is so Beautiful, why would he do that to her?
Sad to see ho a disease can become accepted as a real thing in our generation. People say I am this, or I am that, and everyone around just says Amen! Instead of taking care of the sick man/woman.
Matter of cheating is a subject that seems to come very often in these comments. I may not have a straight answer but from my perspective, what Lili, and by extension Einar did to Gerda was wrong. I am transgender myself, and I can say that being that does not directly effect your affections towards others. What I'd say is that due to the circumstances Lili (Einar) has faced throughout life and during this time, that being what she was was much greater a confusion than you would think today. Generally, it is acceptable that a man should be with a woman, and so as Lili finds herself to be a woman, trying to fit into her gender role was understandable. Now, circumstances for everyone's relationships are always different, and while your standards are still there ofcourse, in the past it was much harder to do anything outside of the usual. The relationship Einar has with Gerda is as far as I can tell a heteronormative, monogamous one, but when Lili is brought into the picture that line becomes blurred. So no, being confused about yourself does not justify your poor treatment of others, but atleast I hope that someone here can better understand the circumstances presented and that the situation can make more sense.
(Yes I am four years late to say much.)
Does Eddie in makeup remind anyone of Lol from This Is England, or is it just me?
The Theory of Everything, Litrally Everything.
Oh Alicia
So does being Lili mean you can't love your wife anymore and you have to kiss every guy you get sexually attracted to? You can still be a woman and love others
a very good movie. this made me cry alot
This movie is about love. Real love.
asmr before asmr
Alicia looks a lot like Jen Lawrence
Сильный фильм!
I find it odd they treat Liliy like a alternate personality during most of this , not trans but had did
When you were playing a prank on someone else but it blows into your face. Suddenly, the jokes on you :)
Eddie still prettier and a better actress than Kristen Stewart.
Not with this act in this movie , you know what I'm saying?
What does she say at the end?
she says "I don't know what to say".
Oh ok thx 👍🏽
Just no.
Jessica Chastain looks a bit rough in this
This... O... M.. ...Oo..n...noo..aaaaaaa
**palebroth.exe has left the building
La amaba :(
0:44 what’d he say?
"ive been seeing Alexander"
He reminds me Ellen Page.
Im so sad my bf bisexual 😭😭😭
Maybe posing as female to that painting wasn't the best idea.
So many of these p00fy movies, it’s getting to the brain washing point
I dont like lily
Insanity
Lili is selfish
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