FFXIV's Writing- Why I Hated Alphinaud Leveilleur
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#ffxiv #lore #alphinaud - เกม
Alphinaud in Heavensward: *Doesn't know how to gather firewood*
Alphinaud in Endwalker: *Gathers firewood and saves countless lives*
10/10 Character development right there.
He's so proud and excited to show off that he indeed now knows how to collect firewood and it's so endearing 🥺
"its like firewood"
The boy really does have an incredible story arc. He was such a smarmy little know-it-all early on but he really came along and grew up. I think in Endwalker we're going to see a lot of those negative character traits he had initially are the result of his father's attitudes. It's also important to remember how young he is, no matter how much he's grown up over the course of the game.
There is a moment that I never see ANYBODY talk about that I feel like was a big step in Alphinaud's character development. It's understandable because it was a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, and during a cutscene that you can't even re-watch at an inn to make it worse.
(minor HW/ShB spoilers)
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During HW, when one of the primals gets summoned and Alphinaud casually ponders sending us off to fight it the way we usually do, he is stopped in his tracks when Estinien suddenly calls him out for how mindlessly he's throwing us into danger. The interesting thing is that upon being made aware of his callousness for the first time, Alphinaud's response isn't flippancy or defensiveness - he actually seems completely taken aback, almost horrified. The moment is short and the characters move on quickly, but from that moment on Alphinaud never falls back into that particular habit again. In fact, he only ever expresses extreme worry and relief when WoL returns from their escapades unharmed. There is even a moment in ShB where Alphinaud explicitly tells WoL that their life has more meaning than their duty, which I can't elaborate on without seriously spoiling, but the deliberateness of that line makes me think that Alphinaud never forgot how he used to treat people and is always trying to show us that he's changed.
It really cements down that although arrogant and careless, Alphinaud has never been outright malicious or willingly gambling lives away; he simply lacked the maturity to do what he thought he was doing correctly. I also like that it showed Alphinaud's character development as less of a sudden heel-turn and more of a process, as even after being humbled by the Crystal Braves incident, he was still falling back on bad habits without realizing it. Estinien was an excellent catalyst for his growth and it was a joy to see how Alphinaud took those lessons with him through the remaining expansions.
I remember that moment, yeah HW he does start on his journey toward becoming better, he still has much work to do but you can see him step by step trying his best while still trying to work through things, and then comes the end of HW and he makes a decision that isn't logical but the right thing to do in order to be able to live with himself...with honestly everyone thinking he of all people is just saying he will and won't actually go that far...right up until "that" moment on the bridge where he is struggling right there beside us.
I’m replaying the game on an alt, and reached that point just today. I loved that scene, it really made Alphinaud stop and think. Because there have been moments where he’s worried about you in the past, when Moenbryda is trying to teleport you to an unattuned aeytherite to stop a primal with a good chance the teleport would kill you. But you only notice it if you stop to talk to him while he’s standing near who ever the quest giver at the moment is. But he also hides his worry and puts up his front of confidence and professionalism. But that moment with Estinean, he realizes he’s been taken things for granted. He took it for granted that the WOL is invincible, and he also took it for granted that even when it’s for the greater good there are always risks and the possible costs of these risks should be considered.
If it’s the moment I think you are talking about, they do touch on it slightly in one of the side stories but yeah for the most part it isn’t ever really talked about again.
To add to this, the Braves betrayal was probably so successful because Ilberd saw Alphinaud’s naïveté and Ego and totally played into it, completely manipulating and exploiting his attitude and assumptions.
I rcently noticed this on another playthrough and what you said is spot on. Needs nothing added.
There is one guy in my FC who came to really like Alphinaud over the course of Heavensward, thanks in no small part to the humbling he received that took a lot of the air out of him, and let him actually breath and present himself properly.
That being said, one of the funniest moments I ever had with that friend was when they met a character in a later expansion, and when I asked them their opinion on this new character, they only responded "I don't trust anyone who sounds like ARR Alphinaud." Priceless.
Was that character Asahi?
@@TheAzulmagia It may or may not have been a sychophantic simp with a penchant for the dramatic and a coconut head haircut.
@@TheAzulmagia im thinking fourchenault or G'raha tia to an extent ( his early subterfuge and tendency to secrets while passing as a know it all in ShB)
I think the greatest example of how much Alphinaud has grown over the expansions is when you meet Fourchenault, who is 100% the snobby jerk his son used to be. In fact the difference is so stark that Fourchenault thinks the twins are crazy and the warrior of light has been a corrupting influence!
Given the lineage, I wonder if the twins were ever allowed to be kids. Given what little we see of the father... I'm going to assume not.
Well considering how mature they are for their age I'd say no. ARR Alphi is also more mature than most people, what he lacked was only the confrontation with reality, which ARR had at the end.
@@Trattato68 Alphi was a genius and a fool. and then he got mugged by life. which began his progress towards genius and not quite so foolish.
Meeting his father was extremely telling.
Alisaie is the OG FF fighter class and Alphie is the rules lawyer. Playing D&D with the Scions would be chaotic hell 😂
Thancred would be the bard, Urianger the wizard who is DEEP into rping his character and has likely written an entire novel about his character, Yda was given a plot-relevant role as a princess but keeps ending up just wanting to punch stuff, and Tataru is the one who brings all the snacks
@@benjaminbierley2074 Meanwhile Y'shtola is playing a min-maxed offensive Cleric or Celestial/Divine Coffelock and tones it down so that Urianger has fun with the Int checks and Thancred with the social ones. Until all the party gets to 20% HP and she singlehandedly handles the fight.
Hoary Boulder would be the dude who rolled all the low numbers and viewed this as a creative challenge for his character.
Graha Tia would be the Artificer, and Estinien would be a multiclass Ranger/Fighter with polearm mastery 🤣
I sort of see him as the WoL's sidekick, really.
I never hated him in ARR, but I always wanted something to humble him... then he got humbled big time.
My fave character now.
Same, I was seeing the whole thing leaning to collapse, I wanted it to happen... I dont remember too much about specifics but "You REALLY think everything's gonna be easily sailing dont you??? YOU THINK THIS WHOLE THING IS EASY DONT YOU, STAYING BACK HERE HUH? GIVING ORDERS?"
Something good in the later on expansions isn't the fact that alphinaud stopped to be a cocky smart-ass know-it-all person... But the fact that he accepted his arrogant side and evolved from it. If you pay close attention to him during endwalker, you'll see that alphinaud still maintain his pretentious quirks.
For example (endwalker SPOILERS) : when you arrive at Ultima Thule, and get off Ragnarok, you'll see how alphinaud is standing with a prideful and kinda arrogant way. It's not something bad actually, it's just a part of him that we all accepted. During that moment I was actually happy and touched by the devs still being true to their characters. They didn't erase that bad side of him, they just made him accept it. That is how a character development should be.
(and I can go on and on about how the devs did the same with other characters...)
He had a right to be proud of how far he's come at least. he should hold himself high. just remember that he is far from perfect, much like anyone else.
@@zeehero7280 yes you phrased it better than me x)
I DISPISED Alphinaud in ARR. He was exactly as you described. Self righteous, holier than thou, and condescending. . . Without really TRYING to be that. It was just who he was. . . How he was raised. Having gotten a look at Sharlayan now with Endwalker, and his father. . . The "mask" you speak of was absolutely not him pretending to try to live up to his pedigree's expectations. . . He truly BELIEVED in himself more than others, because as he was growing up, those people would have worshipped the ground the lad walked upon. Everything he said and did would have been gilded and lauded as wonderful. . .
Queue him coming to Eorzea where the people are VASTLY different. No longer did they see his grand intelligence as the be-all-end-all of personality viability, but they would see him as a very intelligent. . . Very gullible, sheltered, and painfully naive young man. He can't see the way others look at him, the way the PLAYER looks at him. . . And I spent MUCH of my playthrough of ARR saying "Shut up, Alphinaud." and skipping his cutscenes. (I had done them all once before years prior, so I needed only the smallest refresher.) His personality grated on me so badly. (And that of Minfilia, but that's a whole 'nother bag of worms.) I couldn't stand interacting with him. . .
And then the betrayal of the braves gutted him. . . Not just putting a crack in a mask, but completely shattering his belief in himself for a time. He doubts everything about himself and his abilities, and through HW, we see him (with copious help from Estinien, Ysayle, Horchefant, and the WoL) slowly putting himself back together. He looses none of his desire to help the world, but learns that the world is so much more varied and grand than his homeland ever could be. . . And that he isn't the perfect Sharlayan golden boy anymore. . . But is Alphinaud, an incredibly smart and caring young man who will do anything within his power to save Eorzea and the star as a whole. . . And beyond.
To say that he was pretending to be something he wasn't actually shallows just HOW MUCH development the boy went through. He didn't simply discard a broken mask, but completely reformed himself in light of irrefutable proof that. . . As smart as he is, he's still just one of many, varied, wonderful fish in the sea of life.
Yeah, NOTHING there was an insult to the twins there, no one would dare even dream. one of the highest respected jobs for the father, the mother is loaded, dozens if not more servants... the school and more cant help but speak about the twins greatness. i just dont know if the praise was earned or faked... sharlayan could easily be such a society of upturned snobs like well their politics are and thus everyone basically bows down to the high born... "Alphinaud never lost a debate" and i think that included some teachers? how? honestly... how????
When I did ARR and first met the twins, he was such a snob that I was sure that they were going to be villians.
I thought Alisaie was gonna pull an Ashe and start becoming a villain when she left him at the table, then promptly forgot she existed because I didn’t do coils till Shadowbringers
@@pillarsofsnow7940 AHAHAHAHHAHAH SAME
they probably would play villains in the Scions RPG night for fun. "MUWAHAHHA Fools! you have fallen into our trap, and now we shall use our superior knowledge to conquer the world with our robot army!"
Am I the only one who didn’t hate him? Of course he was going to have a reckoning. This is the classic story arc of a child by their very nature, and there’s absolutely no doubt the writers knew this. He wasn’t some moustache-twirling villain. What reason to dislike a young, naive kid, too smart for his own damn good, feet as yet much too small for the shoes he was trying to fill, especially when his intentions ultimately came from a good heart?
!!! Literally same! People made such a big deal of his supposed “redemption arc” to me in efforts to advertise the writing of the game. I expected him to like, be mean to a servant. Mock the intelligence of some of the Scions. Now I just think people don’t know what words mean, redemption arc. To redeem what? He is consistently conscientious and kind in ARR too, to Sid and WoL especially. I’m actually gonna miss his spice with the way Heavensward is going, if you could gently spoil me, does he still gets an occasion to be confident and in-your-face, not this “redeemed” soft boy drowning in guilt I’m seeing rn
Exactly. Alphie did nothing wrong. He was just naive, that’s not a crime
THANK YOU. 🙏
@@ughhhSawyer You likely already know the answer, but he definitely changes a lot throughout the story!
Absolutely same, never disliked the twins, they were a bit annoying, but neither were really that overly irritating. Liked them from the beginning and only got love them even more as they developed.
Alphie is one of my favorites, I could have smacked him a couple of dozen times in ARR though.
I still feel that way about his sister... She's never ceased to annoy me.
I loved who you explained his story arc, tbh I love how he talked now as he is more happier and more accepting
He's still got some growing to do, but he's definitely handling life as himself now. Instead of the person he imagined himself as.
Alphinaud really is an excellent example of just how skilled the FFXIV writing team is. I don't know of a single person who liked ARR Alphinaud - and I do believe that was intentional. But the growth that he as a character goes through during Heavensward - an expansion already heavy in emotional weight and meaning - is often underlooked, but should not be ignored. His is the sort of transformation that most writers DREAM of having in their own characters. And he is but another fine addition to a host of well-made and beloved characters.
Please, continue with these character study videos! I'd love to hear your thoughts on each of the Scions - and potentially beyond them, too. Keep up the great work!
I loved all the characters in ARR.
Rip Yda
ARR writing only felt off because of the massive hurdle of making 2.0 work after the shit show that was 1.0
Thats why everything else honestly seems amazing to everyone else.
I've been enjoying it since the beginning. Same reason I loved Subaru's character in Re:Zero.
funny joke, i almost laughed
I was indifferent to ARR Alphinaud (neither liked nor disliked) but he grew on me a bit during that. I didn’t find him annoying outside of the first meeting with him and Allisae. I probably didn’t have an issue because his heart was always in the right place. His way of going about his objectives were a bit naive, but he’s also a rich kid who never had to face much adversity along with his sister. HW did make me favor him…well the end of ARR. He grew on me a lot. Now Allisae still hasn’t. She’s okay but Alphinaud’s development is more interesting and noticeable. I’m in Shadowbringer now and when given the choice to pick one of the twins to rejoin, I chose Alphinaud first…although narrative wise, even though we were given the choice, choosing Allisae first probably makes more sense…but I was more curious over him than her.
Alphinaud is an absolute masterpiece of character development. Starting out as some arrogant, condescending, but also naïve little prick, and yet managing to learn all of the right lessons from his catastrophic failures in AAR and becoming a much more wholesome and loveable character... as a writer myself I feel like I need to be taking notes!
I love the twins. The first line they ever spoke I thought "These guys are villains for sure. Total pricks."
Fast forward to endwalker, and they are my favorite characters by far. I can't imagine what my adventure would have been like without them.
As Someone who got into FF14 about 6 months ago this is how i felt to. At the start when I met him I was captain of the "Damn it Alphy" hate brigade. Now I love the little guy. Feels like some people forget his start after being used to him currently.
This video was such an amazing watch!! Incredible character study, very in depth and so refreshing to see someone give him the thought and care this character deserves
And there's likely even more to talk about when Endwalker arrives! I'll be sure to keep you in the loop.
Fantastic character breakdown. I just finished EW a few weeks ago and was looking for channels that covered the lore side of the game. So happy I found yours!
Happy to be found!
Our boy has grown so much I hated him to in A Realm reborn once HeavensWard hit he became one of my favorite characters
Brilliant breakdown my man! Love how deep you really managed to dissect Alphinaud to levels I never really thought of! Well done XDD
This is going to be a super interesting watch.
Honestly I had the same problem with Alphinaud bc he was a little stuck up at the start. But seeing him grow in real time has made me wanna keep him safe.
I also feel like Alisae had some changes back in coils but I’ve never finished all of them so I can’t say😅
He has grown so much through the whole story into someone who is not only intelligent but compassionate and has empathy for others. He has learnt a lot. He is one of my favourite characters. He is the only wind up minion i use haha.
I actually have to say that I hated Alisaie a lot more through out the game than I did her brother. I don't know, I kinda always liked Alphinaud because he was so smart and composed, opposite of Alisaie that, while smart, was very impulsive and violent. Despite his shortcomings he was already a pretty decent person that in the end only cared about doing what he thought was right, but unlike Alisaie, who also did what she thought was right but wasn't afraid to kick some butt and ask some questions later.
she often puts me off... like why is she so angry and violent all the time?
@@elgatochurroshe has Alphinaud for a brother. That would give a saint anger issues.
@@ntolman not since he worked on his act
Their mechanism was the issue, which Alisae still has some of as bravado
The only thing I disliked about Alphinaud on ARR was the absolutely cruel and skewed discourse around him since I started playing a couple months ago. He is brash and too strongly opinionated and high on his grand ideas - aka he is 16. And nobody around him checks him - bc they’re what, too stupid to see it? So why should I the player feel so strongly about Alphinaud’s undeniable character flaws and despise them so strongly while ignoring how those flaws highlight those of the others? Nobody gets flak for just letting a teenager run international organisations because he asked insistently? Raubahn argued for the formation of the Braves to his sultana when she was having doubts, to say nothing about the WoL who nodded and smiled at Alphinauds conduct the entire time. If he’s an intolerable entitled brat with no redeeming quality in ARR then everyone around him are blind enabling fools, some of which are supposed to have experience and “wisdom” (don’t get me started on ARR Minfilia’s “leadership skills”). When we escaped Uldah I wasn’t rubbing my hands on delight like “yeahhh learn your lesson kid, you’re the only one who needs to learn”, I wanted to hug him and tell him that only some of the blame he places on himself is warranted, literal leaders of state with 30 years of experience were about as incompetent in the whole thing as he was. But I couldn’t because well. Cutscene doesn’t allow me to hug ppl god damn it ffxiv
I think it's because louisuix was just _that_ respected. He put respect on the whole families name.
I think the only reason he had to go to coerthas to find someone who'd say "sit down, be humble", because everyone in eorzea was _actually_ expecting him to be his grandfather.
Which is, as you say, their bad. Like, dudes a fucking child regardless.
Yeah I don’t shirk all of the blame on him like everyone else either. He always had the best of intentions, even in ARR. When people constantly tell you how great you are and give you so many responsibilities, it’s no surprise when you get humbled.
Also, he technically did not have bad ideas at the time of post-ARR quests. Unfortunately, nobody in the Eorzean Alliance would be forward-thinking, so Alphinaud really had to be that person. And unfortunately, he had to be that person because he was respected and he was forward-thinking. It is Alphinaud’s fault, but it also really shows that until Stormblood (form the perspective of the Warrior of Light in 2.0 onwards) the Eorzean Alliance was not really allied. They were just three countries in close contact with each other because they were physically close, and they wanted a panacea.
I love your character reflections! Alphie is my favourite now (well … ALL of the Scions are, tbh) but like everyone else I couldn’t stand him in ARR. Thanks for making these videos!
He's a good boy. A silly boy. But a good boy.
So... The reason I don’t like Alphinaud is not because he was arrogant in ARR. I don’t like Alphinaud because everyone says he’s a genius prodigy, but I never see this. And then my character is forced to follow him and do his bidding and I don’t understand why my character does this. Because Alphinaud is not doing anything that’s inspiring or worthy of the title genius here. He’s using his entitlement and privilege to make his own military and is clearly arrogant and it’s very obvious he’s gonna get betrayed by this army he makes because he’s not properly vetting anyone. It’s painfully obvious, and then I have to help him anyways.
So when it all happens and he fails, what happens? He feels bad for five seconds, everyone pats him on the head and says “don’t worry, it’s not your fault, just try again.” and he continues along with us saying obvious things and never being shown as a genius tactician or prodigy or whatever. He’s shown to make very normal plans, he’s not by any means a savant or genius prodigy. He never makes a plan that makes me say “oh I see why he’s considered to be a prodigy.”
Okay but I will say you probably picked the absolute best picture of him to use for the thumbnail
Honestly such an underrated channel - can see you becoming the next Pyromancer type content creator (a big lore guy from WoW)
I'd love to reach as many players as I can! There's so much hidden lore to share.
Did you ever make that Alisaie video? I really want to see it! She’s one of my favorite characters :)
I'm still in my first run at lv32. I like learning more to see if I'll enjoy story in games. At first I thought Alphinaud was just a know it all brat, but thankfully his character does improve. As you've shown.
i didn't like his personality at first but he grew into a little virtual bro that i would protect.
I think thats how he was intended to be written. in ARR, he was a well meaning but self important and under experienced/over educated kid. He meant well but like many over educated people in real life, thought he knew best when he didn't.
He learned the hard way that experience is the best teacher, by his own TERRIBLE mistakes. He and his sister both learned the error of such thinking, although alisae seemed to learn faster, which makes sense. Girls do tend to mature mentally faster than boys.
Very VERY well said.
Alphinaud reminds me heavily of Ramza Beolve, a favorite character of mine whom, I think, has the best character development in the entire FF franches (tho not in the main title)
I hated him at first, then I found him annoying but tolerated him, then I started to appreciate him being here, then I started to like him, then he became one of my faveourite characters and now I miss him and go to find him in the world so I can talk to him while we wait for the next patch / expansion.
Hmm how to put this… I didn’t like Alphinaud in ARR but I never really hated him. I really do think that the leaders of Limsa Lominsa, Ul’dah and Gridania should have shot down the idea of the Crystal Braves especially when learning the Syndicate and provided so much Gil.
The boy is what, 16 at best? Nobody that young should be given that kind of authority. Still he became more agreeable during Heavensward even if I was surprised how much he bonded with Estinien at the end of Heavensward. Admittedly I’m mildly fond of Alphinaud now.
But I’ve got to admit that I absolutely despised most of the Scions during ARR. If it wasn’t Minfila wasting her Blessing of Light and Echo. She’s literally the only other one immune to Tempering but never even tries to learn how to fight and dumps all the responsibility on the WoL.
Y’shtola abandons the WoL to the near endless amount of stupid inane tasks the so-called “company of heroes” foists on them despite the fact that apparently the threat of Titan is urgent. She could have at least halved the workload by taking on some of the tasks herself instead of swanning off to laze in the sun!
I despised Yda for similarly shirking responsibility with the Sylphs. It was her and Papalymo that earned the Sylphs distrust yet she suggests dancing then feigns injury/cramps to avoid having to dance herself, once again dumping all the work on the WoL. Don’t get me even started with how they ducked any kind of Scion related work for the whole of Heavensward. On top of that, I’m now at the start of Stormblood and very recently learned her little secret. The fact that both she and all the other Scions knew but chose not to share it with the WoL whose done so much for them by this point is rather insulting.
I don’t have any particularly strong feelings either way about Thancred and Alisae. I find Tataru mildly annoying. Definitely not fond of Urianger the lying little b**tard. After the stunt he pulled with the Warriors of Darkness it’ll take something special to get me not to hate him.
Let’s see, have I forgotten anyone? I suppose we could include Cid. I actually like him, he’s both helpful and well mannered. Oh, Krile. Yeah she’s fine, no grudges with her yet.
I suppose I’ll see what happens during Stormblood and see if that changes my mind.
I don't really begrudge Yda from keeping that from the WoL. I mean, why would she tell you? You
Didn't know her or her sister. She was hiding it from the scions, not you. And you never have a reason to care.
No spoilers, but I don't think you'll have much to worry about with Urianger. He REALLY picks up the pace come Shadowbringers.
how was stormblood?
In D&D terms ARR Alphinaud is a character with high Intelligence, but wisdom is his dump stat, and he also may have low charisma. He raised his Charisma as he leveled.
Nailed it!
Twas about to riot, then you pointed out it was past tense.
Loved him from day one. There are many who think/thought like you do though. I just never understood why.
I do agree with your opinion here. Nowadays, I love the character. Initially though, he grated my nerves. I am glad he has had so much growth since meeting them.
Spoilers for the end shadowbringers ahead!
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And now in my head cannon him and his sister have been adopted by Estinien and visit uncle Aymeric and aunty Lucia once a month to catch up.
Mine is Alphi adopting the name of Louisoix as his last name, both to cut ties with his father and the name Leveilleur, and to carry on the dreams of his grandfather, however lofty those ideals are.
As far as i’m concerned he was already pre adopted by Dulia Chai
Alisaie has not and will not consent to that.
@@XenoVT and she _will_ fight Estinian for him.
And win.
Alphinaud was simply annoying in ARR. In fact, when you first meet him, he gives that creepy bad guy vibe. But he grows up throughout the story. Though I still prefer Alisae.
Alphinaud in ARRB- I hate this self entitle little tirpr.
Alphinaud in Heabsnsward: My little brother who I will protect.
Alphinaud in Stormblood: Allisie joins the fold and I now have two siblings I will protect and love.
Alphinaud and Allisie in Shadowbringers: I must retrieve my siblings help one who who is dealing wither literal depression and ths other who is scared to step up as leader. I fend them and protect my baby brother and sister.
Alphinaud and Alliese in Endwalker: I promised mom I keep them safe and when they "die' i know their mum is going to smack me and they come back and I never letting them out of my sight again.
Hated the kid all the way till Brave Crystal rebellion. You see him break and how the pc and heavensward characters help him rebuilt as he sees his mistake and be better
I totally agree with you... the voice acting in ARR certainly didn't help with the posh little knobhead vibe he gave off, either.
What's interesting is that in the real world, this is a common occurrence... Gifted Kids often do really well during childhood, but because they can easily rely on their academic prowess rather than building the compensatory skills most kids pick up along the way, these Gifted Kids commonly become lonely, socially outcast and struggling adults. They may fall apart at the thought of failure because they were always told they'd do great things when they were a kid, but now faced with REAL life situations, they don't know how to cope with them. Maybe they didn't learn how to ask for help because they never needed it, or struggle to study or learn new things because they used to just take on whatever came their waywith ease.
Both twins really give me strong neurodivergent vibes; Alisae is blunt, sorta unintentionally tactless, extremely determined when she sets her mind on something and is fiercely emotionally attached to the special people in her life. And Alphinaud is a total bookworm, has intense 'special interests' and, at least in ARR, not great at reading between the lines despite being super smart.
Wonderful break down!
@@SynodicScribe oh, thank you! ☺️ keep up the good work, really love your videos!
@@ForgiveMyMadness I'll do my best. ^^
Alphinaud is one of those rare characters in media who is designed to be hated at the start, only to hopefully grow more fond and understanding of when they befall tragedy. I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that if you reached the Bloody Banquet and early HW, it's around the time you start to feel sorry and more sympathetic for him, especially when the signs of his being betrayed are noticable early and you can see him being entirely oblivious. Part of it is I blame the typical FF biche style effect, which is hard to remember just how young he and his sister are. It's easy to forget that they're teens, perhaps even younger than Yda, and simultaneously just not as world-weary from age or cultural appreciation.
imo Alphi had the best character development in the whole game, dont change my mind!
Me and a lot of my friends believe that, if the main character wouldnt be us, it would be the twins. Especially Alphinaud.
And I love it
I always found it weird that we were basically being led by a 16 year old that got tricked so much. I was in the same boat of not liking him either up until towards the end of Heavensward even now I think he's just ok at best I think the bad taste of him just stuck with me lol
♥️♥️♥️♥️ Alphy!!!!!
Always pictured him as a redditor.
I hated him in ARR, liked him in HW MSQ, started hating him again all the way to the end of Stormblood until he teamed with Gaius which I liked, liked him in Shadowbringers and then liked him significantly more in Endwalker. A lot of it isn't necessarily character development that made him better but simply writing him better, as the major chunk of development was in HW and he still stayed obnoxious for a long time after that. But I like him now so that's what matters. We've come a long way from riding that cart into Ul'dah.
He's a probably one of My favorite of all the Scion. I think he was my favorite part of heavenward
Alphinaud: Some wizarding familys are better then others XD
i might be the only one but i actually didn't mind Alphinaud early on and simply enjoyed watching him evolve over the course of the expansions.
Tbh the main thing that gets me with the whole crystal brave thing is why did none of the scions not once look at the 16 year old trying to start an independent militia and not go “hey now maybe don’t do that, here’s some apple juice”
You're out here asking the real questions. haha
I think Minfilia tried but saw he was resolute in it and knew that a grand company that does serve for the good of Eorzea helps the Scions, so she let it go.
This video is a good explanation for why he's one of my favorite. I like flawed characters that evolve.
Alphinaud honestly has the (2nd) best character development. The only character I would say had a better development is Estinien. Seriously, by the time we got the Endwalker patch content I was almost in tears seeing how thoughtful and loving he had become. (SPOILER AHEAD)
This is in stark contrast to me wishing that he had died over iceheart. I almost didn't keep playing MSQ because I genuinely hated Estinien so much. Even once HW was over I couldn't help but feel like our association to Estinien actually made us the big bad evil guy. Most of what we did in HW, did not feel justified to me and everything just happened to work out in the end.
my husband stopped playing before reaching HW and he DESPISES estinien. i love keeping him updated lmao
Still kinda wish we could get Crystal Brave uniforms for glams.
Also, where can I get that giant book for my own housing?
Estinien is the Dad Alphinaud needed.
Fourchenault can go pound sand, he's a deadbeat in my eyes.
Right, time to out myself, i skiped arr through stormblood so i could play Shadowbringers with a friend, ive tried to start an alt to experience the story but couldnt due to the insane amount of msq there is, all that to say, ive loved alphino since i first saw him, and probably would have been aumong the few to initially love him, but i have a thing for pompus spoiled rich boys
I’ve always likes alphinaud
hes so pretty
To be fair and honest at the start of ARR I thought he was a lil shit, I literally hated how he looked down on us, Thought he was better, but damn after the Uldah arc I can't help but feel bad, then over time I saw him as a little brother and then family. He went from being hated in my eyes to being the lil brother I can pick on but do it in family way while still respecting and watching him grow.
0:57 I already but a like
I don't particularly hate alphinaud, I hate were he sits for much of the story of 14. As the defacto main character. Most of the story has you as his hired muscle. Even in end walker you still get glimpses of that, which I think is because of how engraved into the core of the story it is. He is the chief symptom threw out most of the story of this problem. And while I love 14s story and world building and characters generally the fact it took so many expansion to elevate this problem is insane to me.
Really hated the kid in ARR. Then from HW to EW, I couldn't imagine the game without him.
Alphinaud was such a prick in ARR. I believe his first speaking role is showing up at each of the Grand Company speeches to roast each of the people in charge of Eorzea with Alisaie in the crowd. And I believe during Stone Vigil, when you try to sneak past the final dungeon boss and get onboard Cid's airship, Lahabrea shows up and powers up the dragon with darkness, which you then have to fight and kill. Afterwards, Alphinaud says something in the vein of "Oh, thank goodness. I was worried I'd have to find some other Primal slayer to get things done." If that were HW Alphinaud and onward, I'd take that as a joke. At the time, I took it at face value and wanted to throw him off the ship mid-flight.
#AlphinaudDidNothingWrong
He kinda gives me the same sense of developtment like Sansa Stark.
Annoying smarta** brat to actual leader potential, mature and a loving and caring friend.
Key to both is suffering and selfreflection.
There is a difference between wisdom and expierience.
And somehow - AlphiNO became AlphiBRO
Was part of the Alphi is a redditor people and then laughed harder when his dad is a Forum Mod. Hahaha
how dare you hate alphi! lol. in all honesty though. I love alphi. in ARR i will admit that i found him to be too bossy.
Out of curiosity, how old are the twins?
I don't have an exact number. But I can make an educated guess they're in they're late teens when you first meet them.
@@SynodicScribe thank you
They're 16. :)
It was briefly mentioned in Heavensward.
@@branford2606 Yeah we're currently in a time bubble though, so even that is suspect. lmao
@@branford2606 thank you
ill be honest, even though i knew arr alphinaud was an absolute snob i could never get why people were so mad at him for it
maybe its because i was like that too when i was younger, and maybe, he just needed a push.. Sadly that push was a terrible one but he grew
I always felt like it's less about people being mad about him being an arrogant kid, cause like you said, that's most kids. And more like they're thinking, "Who is the shitty child and why is he bossing me around?!" People didn't care once they got to know him and see him mature.
that definitely makes much more sense actually haha, but yes yes i see :D
I didnt like him or his sister when we first met them because they were basically going from memorial to memorial mocking everyone mourning there. To me it was like two brats going to 9/11 memorials and making loud jokes in bad taste about plains and towers xD
I like him. Especially after heavensward. But then again I played 1.0 and I absolutely have a connection with him XD. However Alisae? Nope. Can't.
I'm not fully through the msq for all the expansions, but I still dislike him. To the point ill put off doing the msq altogether so that i dont have to interact with him. Maybe by the end of stormnlood I'll feel different
666 likes. I am not going to touch that button.
Oh lordy it's cursed.
@@SynodicScribe god why did someone like? Now I have to like too.
Its "al FEE no". Not "ALF ee no".
I don't think I will ever really like the kid but by the end of EW I am very happy to tolerate him. I think my reasoning for this is more personal, I don't think he is a bad character but even though the story was telling me he was better I could still see him making the same old mistakes latter on but now it was working out. This bothered me passed the second half of HW and all through StB. this on top of the fact that in ARR we went from a story told about the warrior of light, from the WL's perspective to one about Alphinaud and others and your just along for the ride and saving your friends when they make more bad decision.
I hate the twins so much..........................
Honestly, I always failed to understand what it is everyone loves about him. I too hated him in ARR, my reasons were the same, and his character development during Heavensward's storyline was interesting to observe. But as I approached the current patch, I slowly began to realize that he's still immature, his dreams and ambitions are the same, and his means of achieving them, although different, are as ignorantly straightforward as before. Yes, he is no longer arrogant and egoistic, he is somewhat nicer, but it seems to me too much of a stretch to say that he ever grew up and started learning.
That's why I love his character development, he didn't come out perfect from it all he still has flaws. Hell both Fordola and Estinien point out that he's idealistic to a fault, scions with flaws are so interesting to me. I've found Y'shtola has become a bit dull as of late because she just always seems to know and do everything correctly.
He has a lot of growing to do still. But at least he's headed down the right path now instead of stagnating as a little brat.
It's not necessarily about his dreams changing... It's his perspective on whether he should be in a position of power or not.
I don't know if you noticed, but he's *constantly* holding the events of ARR over his head. When he was at his most power-hungry and blind.
Much so to the point that he actively *declines* offers of leadership (like being the new Antecedent of the Scions), avoids making himself a leader, or has zero patience for people like Vauthry.
And he's *still* not a leader to this day, even when his ideals are finally being realized. He's moved past it while still being naively hopeful.
His ideals being naive are also a source of hope and comfort to people around him. That naiviety is not a weakness.
@@izzy1356 how I love to think about it is that alphie doesn't _want_ to be a leader, but he's become the sort of person that people just start following when they need to. Like eulmore and the chai's. What he did with those people _was_ leadership, it just didn't come with a title and position. And even if it did, he'd turn it down.
Hell of a comeback from before.
The beginning of FFXIV is thinking Alphie is a little shit
SPOILERS:
The end of ShB is realizing his dad is the actual shit.
And at the end of endwalker his dad finally takes off the "mask" he was wearing, revealing himself as a caring dad who is proud of his kids.
The only character in the story that I personally consider 100% evil shithead is Asahi.
Hate them both cuz I don't want to be a babysitter. I want to be an adventurer.
I still hate Alphinaud. Present tense.