Big Guys Talk: Kayak weight compacity, total gear weight, and seats
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- I would love to hear your kayaking experiences in the comment section.
Over the years my weight has fluctuated up to 289 lbs. In this video I wanted to talk about my personal experience's when kayaking and what I noticed as a became heavier. I asked my father (Duane) to join me and give some of his experiences as well. I hope this video helps others think about total weight compacity and seat structure as they are critical in finding the right set up especially if you are a large human.
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All of the content makers are doing a good job of keeping the weight topic in the forefront . We need set standards
Great video y’all. Thanks so much for it!! As a 5’11” 300lb’er, I would love to see a shorts series of these for some other types of yaks …touring, ww, etc. The lack of info out there or at least the amount of searching to find it is so frustrating.
Thanks Gary, glad you enjoyed the content 👍I know the WW and touring info for bigger compacities is very hard to find. They simply don't make many options for bigger folks.
Wow, lots of valuable information. Thank you so much.
Appreciate ya Tom
Great video with lots of helpful information. I’m 6’2” 390 and bought a 2019 Jackson OG BigRig . I absolutely love the stability of my kayak. Even with all my gear, I don’t get water coming in through the scuppers.
The OG BigRig is awesome!
What the weight capacity on that rig
@@quentinjackson3778 450.
@@quentinjackson3778 If you find a Big rig HD the capacity is 550LBS. I use it when working the river as all our saws, fuel winches etc gets loaded. The Big rig HD is WONDERFUL and maneuverable for its size. Especially with the rudder.
Excellent video gentlemen, very informative!
thanks Sebastian 👍
Good information for people, glad you take the time to do. My kayak is oldtown 132 paddle, and I'm weighing in at 180,
Thanks for the feedback, old town has some nice kayaks 👍
I was a little over 300 lbs and I loved my feelfree lure .
I lost over 100 lbs and love my feelfree lure even more .
Great to hear 👍
Hi Alex and Dewayne ( and littler guy behind the camera!) Thanks for this video! It is good info for us bigger folks! I now have 7 kayaks trying to find just the right one and am finding that there really is no consistency among brands. My big people kayaks include a feel free lure 13.5, a crescent crew, a jackson kilroy HD, and a NuCanoe Pursuit. So far the feel free and the crescent are the ones that seem to work for me at about 350-375. The seat on the crew is not very good tho. The Lure is my go to for river kayak camping and fishing. I’d really love a touring kayak for that, but not yet found one I would be interested in investing in. I am now subscribed… looking at your videos is giving me some ideas for rivers in texas I need to visit! Keep them coming!
Hey welcome, appreciate the feedback!
Thanks! Best video on this
Thanks, JP. Just trying to help folks make sense of capacities, chair sizes, etc.
Great video especially since you can’t always find some good honest information for bigger guys in a kayak. I’m a bigger guy and getting back into kayak fishing. Around 12 years ago I had a Prowler Big Game and it worked great for me. I was about 50 lbs lighter then. I’m short at 5’ 8” and weigh in at 285. You definitely gave a lot of information and it’s very helpful. I decided to go with a Vibe Shearwater due to its capacity. I have one on pre-order so, it’s not here yet. I’m looking to pick up something till it arrives and to have a second one on hand. Thanks again and look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Thanks so much, we noticed a lack of large humans talking about these topics and wanted to let people know things we look at. I'm glad you found it useful, enjoy your new kayak!
How do you like the kayak? Had it came in yet? I’m 6 foot tall and 285, do you think this model would fit me
@@paulpatula2666 My Vibe Shearwater 125 hasn’t arrived yet. It’s currently being shipped and should be here the end of the week. I do have a Jackson Bite that works nice for me. Excited about receiving my Vibe Shearwater.
Well done!!
Thanks Sean
Excellent video. I fish and also duck hunt from mine. I just went from an Old Town vapor 12 angler to a Catch 120 for carrying decoys and such. I'm a bigger guys as well at 5'8'' and 250 but a body builder build so more top heavy than middle. The wider boat should help.
Hey thanks for the info, yes in your case more width will give you more stability 👍
Great info thanks for sharing
Thanks for coming by
Thank you great video!
Appreciate you stopping by Joe 👍
REALLY appreciate all the useful info!!! Not sure why it’s so hard to find from manufacturers (?).
Here’s a tiny piece of useless info to pay back…. It’s “capacity”.
Appreciate it Jon 👍
Very helpful video, I'm so glad that you guys are doing this. I am almost exactly your dad's size. 6'5" and about 260. I find that not only is weight an issue, but it's also much harder for us tall guys to get up and down from those short seats. Of course once we're seated being taller puts more weight above the kayak and can definitely make things more tippy as well. I ordered a 12-ft Old Town sportsman and they shipped me the 10-footer. After going round and round with them, they offered me a discount since they did not have a 120 in stock. I took it, but I have regretted it ever since. I feel like I'm trying to paddle a brick. Right now I am debating between the Jackson yupic, Kilroy HD and wilderness atak. Do any of these make sense?
John, the Sportsman 12 is better for you than the 10. You didn't say what kind of water(s) you were paddling, so I will assume flat water. The YuPik would work. The Kilroy is a sit-in so you have to get in and out of it - that's not as easy as falling off a sot-on. They do not make the Kilroy HD, anymore. The ATAK should work and I believe the Recon 120 may be as good or better. The Jackson Bite Angler will do well for you. The Bonafide SS127 is a real option, also. Thinking outside of the box, a NuCanoe Unlimited offers quite a platform, it can be paddled, but is transom ready for a motor, if that's of interest. If you would like to give us a call, 512-353-3946, we could kick options around and the pros and cons, thereof. I look forward to hearing from you. Duane
The word is Capacity. 😂 Other than that and the missing Nucanoes, great video.
Great video, nicely presented info, issue is, im tall and thin... so i get in these kayaks and loose either steering ability or i exceed the hull speed. I prefer a covered kayak personally, but the new age kayaks are so wide and im so light it becomes a battle to use them.
Fishing kayaks have taken off like crazy over the past decade. Bigger in every way shape and form. I can fully understand what you mean, proper fit means a lot in terms of control.
GREAT video as always. Every point is accurate, especially sitting in them and testing them. Sadly theres no standard to determining capacity. Your views on not affecting performance, especially stability, is spot on. Read the fine print and also test the boat in a safe controlled way for yourself
Bonafide is one of the worst for capacity and their "rating" In the super fine print "Note: Capacity is determined by taking kayak weight + paddler weight + gear weight. Bonafide determines capacity by where the performance of the kayak becomes very diminished." So on the SS127 with a rated capacity of 475, you have to take out the 100lbs for the boat so only have 375. The P127 is even worse. This is a deceptive practice and dangerous. Its flat absurd. Other manufacturers may do this so read the fine print and do your due diligence and research.
Also some seats, while you can sit on them, have a design that hurts, especially for larger guys. The 2021 SS1217 seat sags some so your hips ride on the frame. I have a 46" waist. I have to have a pad fitted to the seat to tolerate it. The jackson big rig isnt so bad, but the pad helps. Sit in them for 30 minutes to see how comfy they are. Ideally try them on the water if you can.
The SS127 has awesome primary stability. however this comes at the cost of maneuverability. Its great on flat water, maneuvering, especially in rivers, not as much. So many dont like the rocking tippy feel of a low primary stability and forget about secondary stability. Yet I would prefer a great secondary stability, and have a good brace technique as that will keep you from going over. It also lets you have more maneuverability. there are many videos out there showing someone getting to speed then leaning onto the edge with the secondary stability and completing a turn without using the paddle.
I always preferred my seats in the low position. I started kayaking in 2016 in a Jackson Traverse and Tupelo. So I was used to sitting low and the stability from that. Moving to sit on tops and having a higher center of gravity was an adjustment for me. The recon with that big seat in only a high position looked to be a concern for me.
I've found jacksons to have some of the best weight ratings and the ability to exceed them on many to most of their boats. The Coosa X is simply amazing with the videos Ive seen so far. One known youtuber did a weight capacity of the X and paddled around a buoy. At rated capacity it was going great. He then went 100lbs over and while it was sitting low, it was still stable and easy to paddle.
Man this was a good video on what kayak will fit for a big person. Your dad is awesome man & you are awesome with the videos you are doing. I really like how your dad talked about how it was when he was kayaking. You and your dad point out some very very important information when it comes to kayaking. I do have one question? Do you know any manufacturer that makes very wide foot pedals. I am a big chubby fat dude at 6'ft 300lbs with big very very extremely wide feet sz15 6 EEEEEE wide with very chubby fat wide toes that are equally straight across making my foot very very wide at 6 1/2 inches wide from my big toe to my lil toe. My foot out Grew shoes , socks , & boots when i was 18 years old which was 33 years ago so flip flops is the only footwear that will fit barely and I mean barely fit on my foot because my toes are wider than the flip-flop straps. I have to kayak Barefoot 👣style because of my toes being very fat & wide & straight across. The problem I have is because of my foot being so wide my foot keeps falling off of the foot rest & wondering do they make footrest for people with wide feet. I have a 12 year old son who's foot is identical twin to my foot & this year he had the same problem while he was kayaking too & his foot is a sz13 4 EEEE wide with big toe that are equally straight across. I have 5 more boys that have very very wide feet too & I wonder are they going to face the same problem. Man I guess you could say we are a wide foot family. I also like how your dad was wearing flip-flops too man that was awesome. I'm surprised you wasn't wearing any flip flops since you work at a kayak place. Again good video man. Apologize for being a lil long.
Howdy Mack, I enjoyed the read and appreciate you reaching out. The standard foot peg size is 3"x4" or 4"x4" across the kayak industry. You may need to modify each peg by adding a larger abs piece to create a bigger foot print for your comfort.
@@tgcanoesandkayaks oh okay thank you so much. I would definitely look into this. I would like to have this modification done by Springtime.
thank you for the big gut talk i have not tryed this boat but was your thoughts on the Jackson Knarr 250 6 ft but i wanted a pedel and maybe Minn Kota on the boat maybe out of luck lol
David, the Knarr, the Native Slayer 12.5 Max, the Bonafide P127, and the NuCanoe Unlimited are all worth looking at with your requirements.
I just bought a costco pelican boat with a 300lb weight limit and im 280 right now…havent got in the water yet and worried im too close to the limit to enjoy it.
Num, you should be looking for a 400 - 450 lb capacity to handle you, what you bring along, and still maintain the performance of the kayak.
Was hoping to hear if the weight of the boat empty is included in the rating? I have the sportsman 136 with the included trolling motor and just bought the ascend 133x with a trolling motor. Do I subtract the weight of the boat and motor of the rating? Thanks for your time.
Howdy Jeff, we never add the kayaks weight into the equation. Take your body weight + all the gear you will be taking and add that up. Next take the kayak models weight capacity and take 1/4 off. This gives us a good working load capacity of the kayak. (Example: body weight 150 lbs + 50 lbs of gear = 200 total lbs. Kayak says it has a 400 lb capacity. Now take 1/4 off the 400 which gives us a 300 lb working load). The autopilot 136 weighs 158lbs with the motor. You still need to buy and add the battery weight into your equation + your body weight + your gear = your total weight.
Awesome info I am a big guy as well 6”1 300. Any suggestions on a kayak I have a older 130 sea ghost just wanted to up grade. Your Dad is funny and to the point. Thanks
Ha ha he is a wonderful man. Where do you paddle? rivers, lakes, or coast?
@@tgcanoesandkayaks small rivers mostly
@@paulgmckavett if you can pack light the Jackson Coosa HD would be my choice
@@tgcanoesandkayaks Thanks my friend
The Wilderness Systems Recon is flat out amazing!
What would you guys recommend for a 6’10”, 240-260lb’er, size 16 shoes, and 38” inseam? Likely just freshwater but would love a tandem option so that a passenger can join me.
Peter, if you plan to be solo 75% of the time, get a solo kayak as paddling a tandem as a solo will be cumbersome. If it's 50/50, get the tandem and then
save up for a solo. Ya got me by 5", same weight, same shoe size, and 2" in the inseam. The inseam, leg length, is always interesting a most kayak designers are, from our prospective, on the short side. So, I have several kayaks I just leave the footrests at the house and use the bulkhead to push on. Your weight is fine for everything Bonafide, Crescent CK1, LiteTackle II, Crew tandem, most things Hobie, Jackson Bite, CoosaX, Coosa FD, Knarr, TakeTwo tandem, Native Slayer Max and Titan kayaks, NuCanoe Unlimited, Old Town Sportsman 120, and the Wilderness Systems Recon 120. NOW - what type of water are you paddling? Get the right hull to perform well on that water. ALSO, sit in them first to see if they fit you inseam length. If you're not comfortable in the saddle, you have the wrong kayak. All the best to you.
at 6'5 350 ive been looking at the brooklyn kayaks 13' pedal model. supposed to be a 550lb capacity. anyone have any input?
Howdy Terry, I have no experience being on the BKC.
hey this was really good information i am 300 pounds 5 foot 7 just wondering what would be the best option for me and also motor option would be nice
Jason, a few things to think about. You first want to eliminate the kayaks that will not handle your weight, your gear weight, and your motor/battery weight added together. With the remaining kayaks, many will have been eliminated, you need to sit in them to make sure the seat works for you. As described in the video, the seat width is very important. You can always make the right size seat more comfortable with cushions and lumbar supports, but you cannot make them wider, if that is needed. When you get into motors, all will have to be rigged as none are plug-n-play. Rear mount, side mount, 12 volt, 24 volt, etc., it gets personal. For your size, the Wildy Recon 120 and the NuCanoe Unlimited would work well. The Recon 120 would have to be rigged for the motor chosen. The NuCanoe has a molded in transom ready for a rear mount trolling motor or a 2.5 HP gas engine. There are probably other kayaks out there, also. Make sure the capacity works for you and all your stuff. Don't rely on the manufacturer's capacity as that number may not give you the free board you need to safely be on the water.
@@TGCanoe thanks alot for taking your time to answer
I’m 6 foot, 260 lbs, and am looking at kayaks, I don’t want to spend a lot of money, but want to be comfortable on the kayak. Do you have any recommendations?
There are several to consider that are priced well and will be good tools into the future. They are the Jackson Bite Angler, the Old Town Sportsman 120, and the Wilderness Systems Recon 120.
I'm looking at 3 kayaks Vibe 100 yellowfin, vibe 120 yellowfin, and perception outlaw 11.5. Going to mainly be paddling on lakes. Which should I go with?
How much do you weigh? and will you be running rivers, lakes, or coast?
@@tgcanoesandkayaks I'm 6' 270. Mostly lake some river but majority will be on lake
@@Ratbiker48 out of those three, the 120 will out perform the 100 and outlaw.
This is too drawn out. I'm 6'0 200 pounds. I need to know about di and sit on kayaks that would hold me and enough of everything to hold me, 2 camp set ups and everything that I need for 100 days fall and winter. What are yours suggestions
Tin, give us a call 512-353-3946. That's a lot to discuss.
Im 6”2 and 350lbs what would you recommend for me?
Dark, the NuCanoe Unlimited and the Wilderness Systems Recon 120 will handle your weight just fine. They both have elevated seats but the 41" and 38" widths, respectively, keep the kayak stable and comfortably offer the working capacity you need. We recommend a fish net with a large opening and/or an extended handle to keep from leaning too far over to net a catch (folks that lean over the side of their kayak quickly understand that gravity works). Although they are not molded anymore, a used Jackson Kayak Big Rig or Big Rig HD would have the working capacity you want for you and your gear, also.
I’m 350lbs is there a kayak out there you would recommend that won’t break the bank
Wilderness Systems Recon 120
I thought we would see which seat is prefered by larger people, but there was no pros or cons about why a 6'3" guy would prefer one over the other... but it was more about the pros and cons of the height of the seats...
Which seat would you like my opinion on?
I’m 250lbs, is a 300lbs capacity kayak safe or should I look for something that supports more weight?
Is that the kayaks weight limit from the manufacturer or is the 300 after the 1/4 off rule?
@@tgcanoesandkayaks the manufacturer weight limit
@@Eldergamer2024 Go higher imo, look for 350-400 from the manufacturer
@@tgcanoesandkayaks I found one called the feelfree moken 10 v2. I’m a little weary about it because of the size but it says it supports 440lbs. I’m wondering what your opinion would be?
@@Eldergamer2024 Just a few comparisons: The Jackson Bite Angler is 11' 6" x 35". That is 4.5 square feet more displacement (hull surface area) than the Moken 10 (10' x 33"). The Bite is rated at 400# and, according to our TGCK calculations, the real, safe, "keep the performance" capacity should be 400# - 25% = 300# and less. If you put more weight on, the performance and safety factors diminish. With a similar displacement to the Moken 10, the Perception Pescador 10 is 10' 6" x 32" (the Tarpon 106 is the same). The manufacturer rates them at 325# capacity. That said, load up a Moken 10, give it a demo, and see what you think!
How about 6'7" 450 lbs. I'm considering the 106 with the trolling motor or the old town 120 or should I really think about something like an Old Town AP 136?! I really don't want to spend the money for the OT 120, 136. There are plenty of used 106's out on the market but no auto pilots. My budget max is around 3500 all in.
Austin, none of the above can handle your 450# weight. Their usable weight capacities (that's the warp factor 10 - the most they say you can load on a kayak) are 106 - 363#, 120 - 415#, and 136 AP - 427#. You can look at the Wilderness Systems Recon 120HD at 450#, all the Jackson Kayak Big Rig series at 500#, the Jackson Kayak Take Two at 500#, the Native Titan Propel 12 at 500#, the Native Titan Propel 13.5 @ 550#, the Native Slayer Propel Max 12.5 @ 500#, and the NuCanoe Unlimited @ $650# (the seat is very tall so stability with 450# that high may be a concern). Hobie PA14 has the carrying capacity at 600# but the seat weight capacity is only 350# so that's a "no". Some of these I listed are getting close to being boats, so hauling them to and from water needs to be addressed before you purchase. I hope this helps in seeing what you need. Don't settle when it comes to needs, capacity, comfort, and safety.
@@TGCanoe the Auto Pilot 120 says 550# capacity and 136 like600-650# cap. I don't get what you're saying.
@@austinrupard9073 Old Town, and maybe one or two other manufacturers, list a total weight capacity. I'm not a fan as it is confusing to the potential customer. The weight numbers you're quoting are the total weight of the kayak hull, plus all the rigging, plus the person and his gear. Below is the breakdown of the 136 off OTs website. You need to look at the "Usable Weight Capacity" because that number represents the most a person and his/her gear should be to use the kayak. That number on the 136 should be 472# (do the math and you'll see OT got the 7 and 2 switched). We get that number by taking the 660# and subtract the "Assembled Boat Weight" and all the parts listed below that heading. So, you can use the 136, but you should only bring 22# of gear beyond your weight. (If you go with a Lithium Ion battery, you'll gain another 40# or so (22 + 40 = 62#), as they are much lighter than the lead acid batteries. Now go back to OTs website, look up specific kayaks, and look at the "Usable Weight Capacity" to see if it will hold you and your gear. Weigh all your gear. Your personal weight needs to include what you're wearing as it all weighs something. Add them together and see if you're less than the UWC.
Total Weight Capacity - The total weight a boat can support on the water including everything - the Assembled Boat, People, Gear, Dog, Motor/Pedal Console (when applicable) and 75 lb. Lead-acid Battery (when required).
660 lb | 299.38 kg
Usable Weight Capacity - The weight that is left for People, Gear, and Dog after accounting for the weight of the Assembled Boat and 75 lb. Lead-acid Battery (when required).
427 lb | 193.69 kg
Assembled Boat Weight - The boat’s weight including everything Old Town supplies with the boat - Hull, Hardware, Seat, Accessories and Motor/Pedal console (when applicable).
158 lb | 71.6688 kg
Motor Console Weight
24 lb | 10.89 kg
Removable Seat Weight
6 lb | 2.72 kg
@Duane Te Grotenhuis Man they really should just remove the hull weight from their advertised number. Looking like I'll probably be going with a used Hobie PA14 and change up the seating, or get a Nucanoe.
@@austinrupard9073 Like I said, I'm not a fan of the TWC number. Many folks see that and buy a kayak the can't work for them. All the best to you!
Which kayak do you recommend around $1000 for a guy 250lbs to be most stable on the water?
Jean, the inexpensive flat water kayak that should work is the Perception Outlaw 11.5. The Crescent Kayak CK1 works and is a bit more river oriented. These will handle your weight. More include the Crescent LiteTackle, The Jackson Bite Angler, the Old Town Sportsman 120, the Bonafide RS 117, and the Wilderness Systems Recon 120 (which has a real working capacity at 400#). These are all in the $800 - $1300 sweet spot and will take you fishing well into the future.
@@TGCanoe awesome! Thank you for responding so quickly. I am limited in my area to only a few of these since shipping once is expensive.
Im 250 looking for a good kayak. 12ft been looking at hoodoo and bkc one.
Gnate, we believe you would be better off with something made in the U.S., as opposed to China. The integrity and thickness of the plastic is simply much better. We’ve seen quite a few of the broken “alibaba” molded kayaks and they are lacking plastic in the hulls and seat areas which make for more hull failures and good repairs near impossible. If you’re looking for a kayak that will last 20 years and won’t break the bank, look at the Jackson Bite Angler, the Old Town Sportsman 120, the Bonafide RS117, and the Wildy Recon 120. All these are in the pricing “sweet spot” between $900 and $1200. All the best to you!
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How about all the fish you catch? Maybe a floating container :-).
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Im 280lbs would a 350 capacity work for me?
350-450 would be a good area to start, I am 6'2" 280 as a reference
@@tgcanoesandkayaks thanks for the quick response im 5'8 280 and im looking at potentially buying the catch classic 100 from pelican
@@tormentorofsouls1941 My bad! I was thinking about 350 - 450 real capacity in the above reply. The Catch may not get it done with the 350# x 75% rule = 262.5# working capacity. You really do not want to max out the capacity as the performance and safety will fall off the table. To gain capacity you'll have to go longer and/or wider. The inexpensive flat water kayak that should work is the Perception Outlaw 11.5. The Crescent Kayak CK1 works and is a bit more river oriented. These will handle your weight. More include the Crescent LiteTackle, The Jackson Bite Angler, the Old Town Sportsman 120, and the Wilderness Systems Recon 120 (which has a real working capacity at 400#). I realize price is always part of this process but, if you get the right one the first time, whatever you paid for it, it will be the least expensive as you will be paddling what you want and need for your water application. Upgrading wastes time and is always expensive. All the best to you!
In your opinion would a used 2015 nucanoe f10 be worth $1000 Canadian
The F10 is a $1499 canoe /kayak US. If it’s what you want, it’s worth the $1000 Canadian ($780 US), assuming the condition is good.
Big Fish 108
278 lightweight.....lol
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@15:53 "If you are a little person or a woman" LOL Because we all know that a woman is not a person!
the video is on the whole world , but you speak about inc and pound , way not olso cm and kg?
I used American metrics as this is where I am located. Let me know what you have questions on and I can try and convert them for you.
He did all the work putting this video together do the conversions on your own.
I wish I could win a old Town autopilot 120 I'm on a mission in saving our beautiful waterways universe but I'm a very poor young adult can you please help me out on my mission
Edgar, you may try calling Old Town. We do not stock the Auto Pilot 120.