Kayaking Mistakes That Can Kill You!

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  • In this video, we look at the top 5 kayaking mistakes that can prove deadly, and how to avoid them. The good news is that kayaking is a very safe activity, and serious accidents are rare. But with any activity that involves the water, situations can become serious very quickly, and so you need to be aware of the things to avoid.
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  • @Rottingboards
    @Rottingboards 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    Thanks for talking about safety. ALSO: Alcohol and Rivers don't mix.

    • @JonPaddles
      @JonPaddles 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      beer on the pier...river, lake or ocean. Leave the booze behind. Not just alcohol either, drugs impare you also.

    • @Mike_B_724
      @Mike_B_724 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JonPaddles 💯

  • @johnelshaw3549
    @johnelshaw3549 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Thanks Ken. When I rode a motorcycle on street and track the mantra was “Don’t dress for the ride, dress for the slide.” With kayaking, dress for the dip.

  • @97lynds21
    @97lynds21 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    When I started kayaking about 12 years ago I came from a waterski background which included taking off my pfd when I was in the boat and not skiing. So, I did not wear my pfd when paddling in my kayak and resisted doing so - plus I am a strong swimmer. Had a few unexpected incidents in my kayak over the years including getting flipped into cold water (disorienting) and I quickly became a firm advocate for wearing a pfd at all times. Where I live locally, most deadly kayak and SUP accidents in freshwater lakes result from not wearing a pfd.

  • @Rottingboards
    @Rottingboards 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I like wearing a long sleeve shirt for UV protection and splash water on it to cool off. A bandanna folded up wet around the neck also protects against UV and really cools down the body. GREAT VIDEOS!!

    • @nunzioification
      @nunzioification วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I do the same and now only my legs are permaburned lol might have to wear some tights under my shorts lol
      Arizonas rough for a genetic red head.
      But the hoodies are great even in 100+, keeping it wet like you said it’s quite refreshing

    • @Rottingboards
      @Rottingboards วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nunzioification I also take a very light towel with me. When I feel my legs getting burned I just wet the towel and lay it over my legs. My wife is English so she has taught me all of these fair skin ideas. LOL

    • @nunzioification
      @nunzioification วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Rottingboards yeah I figured that one out after my legs turned medium rare lol

  • @jocelynsertich2686
    @jocelynsertich2686 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    This is so important. Between last Monday and Tuesday in my region 4 people drowned. None were paddlers, but the first rule here was not followed, none were wearing PFDs. Some tried to swim in rivers. One tried to use a jetski on a lake when he couldn't swim, without a PFD. (the other two, yes there were three non swimmers on a jetski without PFDs, were saved by some women on SUPs.) I am a strong swimmer but still always wear a PFD because an accident is an accident.

  • @PappaMike-vc1qv
    @PappaMike-vc1qv 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I capsized in water over my head with just a mild 1 foot swell. It was terrifying even though I had my PFD on and had practiced assisted rescue. Luckily it was a training session and after many attempts I was able to get back in the boat, however, it was a terrifying lesson that I will never forget. Please, Please, wear your PFD and never just strap it to the deck, you will never get it back on after a capsize.

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา

      What a valuable lesson! It's so true that doing rescues in rough conditions is VERY different than flat, calm water.

  • @Heywood.Jablome
    @Heywood.Jablome 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Yep. I almost drowned in Mexico on a placid little piece of lake. Got separated from my kayak and thought my swimming was strong. I was mistaken. Over the years, my endurance has hit dirt. I began to panic, feeling my strength fading. (They say "don't panic" lol. You are definitely gonna panic! I tried floating, rolling on my back to float... just kept getting pulled lower. I remember specifically thinking before I went under "this is why people drown! Exhaustion!". I yelled "help" to some girls sunning themselves on the shore but they didn't understand English and in my panic I forgot to speak spanish. Just as my head went under my toes touched the bottom and i was able to claw my way into shallow water. Lesson learned. PFD ALL THE TIME!

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yikes! Glad there was a happy ending, but that's scary!

  • @robertbloch1063
    @robertbloch1063 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Probably most important video on this channel. Thank you!

  • @kaptainfriday
    @kaptainfriday วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Took my first swim and self rescue(sea kayak) in open water on Wednesday. My PFD was so valuable. It actually took me a few minutes of treading water while trying to configure my paddle float and pump out the cockpit to remember that I could just float. All your videos are great, Ken, this one is fantastic.

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Great learning experience you just had having to do a self rescue!
      Thanks for the kind words!

  • @donalddumas6987
    @donalddumas6987 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Be mindful of soft bottoms especially near shore when stepping or getting out of a boat, canoe or kayak. It can suck you down like quicksand. Cause you to lose your balance and be a victim of shallow water drowning. I've also learned to get in and out of a kayak when the whole length is parallel to the shore.

  • @slighwentwalking2024
    @slighwentwalking2024 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have learned so much from
    watching Paddle TV videos.
    How to paddle...Where to paddle...
    Where Not to paddle....learning how to choose
    the proper gear...and things to consider including
    weather....In Florida we must consider stormy
    weather that moves in quickly....and how to deal with
    wildlife...like alligators. We paddle all year long...
    During summer months boat traffic is a real issue.
    Kayaks and paddle boards are slow so make sure
    you can be seen.

  • @LetsGoPaddling
    @LetsGoPaddling วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A small add-on to #4 - when you don't have right paddling skills and techniques, don't be a show-off in bad weather for the sake of recording it and looking for attention.
    Thank you Ken for pointing out these dangers clearly and briefly. 👍

  • @B-RollBooks
    @B-RollBooks วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Getting back into paddling after 15 years away from the hobby. Thank you for this perfect refresher course!

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Very welcome!

  • @mikeemmons4062
    @mikeemmons4062 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great video Ken. I see so many paddlers out there with no PFD and not wearing a dry suit, or even a wet suit in cold water.

  • @ThePoacher1969
    @ThePoacher1969 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    log jammed rivers in Scotland isnt a problem it:s usually shopping carts

    • @CCBBAA1
      @CCBBAA1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In the southern US, it's chickens. 🤣

    • @Rottingboards
      @Rottingboards 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In the midwest USA it's cows. 😄

  • @georgewilliamssr5230
    @georgewilliamssr5230 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Having been involved in numerous rescues. It’s so frustrating that what you’re talking about is even an issue. But there it is. Along with the resistance of many people to accept advice. Unfortunately, you can’t fix stupid.

  • @dg1019
    @dg1019 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My fav cold water hot day piece of gear is a short sleeve paddle jacket. I have done several cold water swims in mine and it works great.

  • @johnnewman431
    @johnnewman431 39 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Hi Ken As a fellow fresh water paddler something I wouldn't have thought until recently of and you missed. Is the danger of tidal currents. A peaceful body of water can end up with very high currents potentially out to sea as the tide changes. If going in the ocean make sure you get local knowledge about tidal currents.

  • @phyllisdinsmore6704
    @phyllisdinsmore6704 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    We recently had a drowning in a local river because the experienced kayaker had a different kayak (Hobie with the pedal drive) he had issues with it and fell out, getting sucked into the paddlewheel of a ferry.
    Could you please do one of these about kayaking in lakes, especially with motor boats? Thank you for all these videos, I learn at least 1 new thing every time

  • @THE-RIVER-RAT
    @THE-RIVER-RAT 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    More great information Ken. While I was watching I was ready to say a cotton shirt is great on super hot days if you wet it first. But then right at the end, you mentioned that.
    I had one arrow in my quiver and you pulled it out Haha

  • @Richard-bs8xe
    @Richard-bs8xe 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for the refresher on the dangers of paddling! Great video and great presentation!!!

  • @Rottingboards
    @Rottingboards 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I would like to see a video on how to get a kayak and canoe off a log with high current. I have come across several people with this problem who needed assistance. They didn't understand the weight of water.

  • @anninwhack1998
    @anninwhack1998 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Such important information. Thanks for the video!

  • @southeasternpaddlesports
    @southeasternpaddlesports 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great job! Thanks for taking the time to cover safety on the water!

  • @indietonne
    @indietonne วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome Video. Was paddling yesterday and happy to report that I really were thinking about most of your tips in advance :). I learned it a harder way than watch your video but still happy.

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา

      Glad it helped!

  • @chrismcduffie4888
    @chrismcduffie4888 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another great video, Ken!

  • @normascott3613
    @normascott3613 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video and had never heard about log jam dangers on rivers, even slwer rivers. We hit them last and this year on lake that is actually damed steep canyon stream. It was difficult last year to push logs and stumps out of way, this year blocked us until rec kayak shived a way thru for us ..but still caught some sideways and started going over. High country stream was cold, but we dressed for hot day.

  • @AirOnTheWater
    @AirOnTheWater วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video as always and very important information! These reminders save lives. Thanks for putting the information out there. Best wishes from Swedish paddle waters.

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Cheers!

  • @qaannat
    @qaannat 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great talk!

  • @samljer
    @samljer 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    100% the first thing someone should do, is.
    take the "Transport Canada Certified" Paddle course or
    take the "ACA/Coast Guard American" Paddle craft course
    Theyre both free, and either will probably save your life at some time in the future. Pick one.

  • @user-xm3iy6ht1z
    @user-xm3iy6ht1z วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks Ken!

  • @BoomVang
    @BoomVang วันที่ผ่านมา

    PFDs are recognized by law as problematic and not required in big surf (paddle)board activities, where you need to duck under oncoming van sized dumping or curling waves without being buoyed out of your craft. There is a compromise by using a co2 inflatable vest that doesn't automatically inflate when wet. I will use this in future on my sitdown-paddleboard-kayak or sit-on-top one but I have little patience with repacking it to dry or replacing cartridges by expiration dates. Ducking surface wave carnage lets you avoid being dragged to shore; I hold my paddle fore and aft like a jouster to prevent wrenching away underwater.

  • @TomJonesGearGuy
    @TomJonesGearGuy วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks Ken

  • @daveys
    @daveys 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great tips!

  • @marcvalade94
    @marcvalade94 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good man!

  • @kdogg7882
    @kdogg7882 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Most of these are extremely obvious but you wouldn’t believe how many people I see without life jackets on big lakes, especially paddle boarders.

    • @bryancline8893
      @bryancline8893 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I often don't wear my pfd on lakes, but always keep it on hand. Mostly because I have an inflatable and like to swim off of it.

  • @pauljoslyn154
    @pauljoslyn154 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wise words indeed

  • @PappaMike-vc1qv
    @PappaMike-vc1qv 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Self rescue and assisted rescue are very hard to do and should only be the last choice. Paddling within reach of shore and always wearing your PFD is a far better plan.

  • @vickyking3408
    @vickyking3408 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    PFD also has pockets which is great too

  • @katesmiles4208
    @katesmiles4208 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good commonsense points 👍

  • @RogerHammond
    @RogerHammond วันที่ผ่านมา

    PFDs for if you expect to float even when you don't have something to float on. But if you want to paddle to where you want to dive...

  • @davejohn5876
    @davejohn5876 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What concerns me a lot is some of these folks who post there kayak river camping trips here on TH-cam. They are usually in overloaded sit on top kayaks and it seems like they are never wearing a PFD. Just sets a bad example for someone just getting into kayaking.

  • @magnushultqvist
    @magnushultqvist วันที่ผ่านมา

    in sea kayaking a lot of people don't understand the weight of a wave and that the fore of a wave increase vastly when it gets bigger.

  • @nunzioification
    @nunzioification วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve got a 600 pound weight limit and always bring some gear and sometimes too much for an unexpected night out, strong wind is my concern, but at minimum I bring water filtration and purification because I’m just not drinking lake water, I bring emergency blankets and bivies, extra snacks and water, fire kit, and a hand gun because mt lions, and skunks are no joke of course dry clothes are a must in cold weather and even a wool blanket. I should have a garmin but I don’t. I honestly have a foolish fantasy of having to finally use my emergency kit lol

  • @hoangvu220
    @hoangvu220 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ken, thanks for this vid. As always, great tips. I especially enjoy your humor! I want to get into kayaking but don't swim. Is wearing a PFD enough to let me do it in calm waters, i.e. not flowing?

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา

      I would say yes, although you'll always want to paddle with someone who can tow you to shore if you end up swimming.

  • @ichbinwiederda100
    @ichbinwiederda100 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I worked in Sea rescue, and this personal flotation aid is not really helpful when you fall down somewhere. Because they can slip up and hinder you from breathing. I would wear one for padeling in water < 15°C but above this thing is more of a hindering object to movement than it helps. I would recommend a helmet.
    For sailing sportive always necessary to have a proper lifewest with a string between your legs.

  • @jcdynamics2241
    @jcdynamics2241 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's been close to 25 years since my first week of lessons at liquid skill. Was that Chad making an appearance in the boat re-entry segment.?

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ha! That's awesome! No, it wasn't Chad, but it does look like him, doesn't it?

  • @CCBBAA1
    @CCBBAA1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Also: STOP USING A PADDLE LEASH!
    I've seen more than one recreational paddler almost drown when their paddle leash got caught in something in the water. As a whitewater kayaker, I hate seeing these knowing how dangerous they are for real. Things can go south quickly, even in class 1-2 rapids on creeks.

  • @TechyMedic28
    @TechyMedic28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Dress for the dip, not the trip.

  • @nvskorpio
    @nvskorpio 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm new to kayaking .. if you're in current rough windy water why not just put a rod tether or sumthin around the leg so if you go swimming your kayak is always within reach ?

    • @prophecy66
      @prophecy66 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Entanglement hazard. If you're tethered and flip over you could get entangled, especially if disoriented.
      Definitely a good idea to keep hold of your paddle and kayak if you get dunked, but I'd advise against tethers.

  • @stephengrimmer35
    @stephengrimmer35 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If you wear a dry suit, you need to bleed that excess air. Hold the neck seal open and do some squats. Also they are deadly in a river environment stuck in a low head dam.

  • @Rottingboards
    @Rottingboards วันที่ผ่านมา

    1) Straw Hat with brim. UV protection and can get wet for cooling.
    2) Long sleeve water shirt that gets splashed on when hot. UV protection
    3) Bandanna folded up wet around neck. Also UV protection on neck where my hat sometimes doesn't cover.
    4) Very light towel to cover legs when they start to burn. UV protection only used when sun is strong. And wet when getting hot.
    I'm a Geneticist and Microbiologist. UV can really upstart cancer in cells. Please protect yourself.
    My wife and I go on 8 hour river floats. 🙂

    • @PaddleTV
      @PaddleTV  วันที่ผ่านมา

      All great info!

  • @donalddumas6987
    @donalddumas6987 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is there a Canadian version of the American paddling course?

    • @johnnewman431
      @johnnewman431 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Paddle Canada has courses for all levels canoeing kayaking and paddleboards.

    • @donalddumas6987
      @donalddumas6987 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@johnnewman431 Awesome, thanks!

  • @iviewthetube
    @iviewthetube 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Temperature management on the water can be challenging. What are your thoughts about the 120 rule? If the water temperature plus the air temperature is less than 120°F, then wear an immersion suit. For Centigrade use 32°C.

    • @prophecy66
      @prophecy66 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bad rule. If it's 22c here and the water temp is 10c, which is basically every spring here. You're going to get hypothermia real quick.
      I've seen someone on the verge of hypothermia mid August here, water is around 20-22c, they took an unexpected swim in cotton and were fine at first but as the sun went down they were starting to get real cold even though the air temp was still above 20c.
      I'd be worried about cold water gear up to about 20c. Air temps don't really matter very much, water affects your body temperature about 4 times more quickly.

    • @iviewthetube
      @iviewthetube 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@prophecy66 Can you think of a formula which would work? If the Sun is out, that does give a lot of wiggle room. You can always bask in the Sun if you get wet, even if the water is cold. No Sun does mean less options.

    • @prophecy66
      @prophecy66 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@iviewthetube water temp < 20c = wear immersion gear.
      It can make those really hot days a challenge when the water is still cold of course. In that case Id suggest rolling to keep your body temp regulated while wearing immersion gear. Otherwise wait it out until the water temp doesn't require immersion gear.
      You can probably get away with a degree or so below 20, but it highly depends on your own body. So I think a safer rule is immersion gear below 20C water temp.

    • @iviewthetube
      @iviewthetube 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@prophecy66 Everyone is different. I frequently see people swimming in the Puget Sound when the temperature of the water is 9°C. Hypothermia is just as much of a threat as hyperthermia. My performance in a drysuit at 32°C and above is almost zilch and I am not going to keep doing rolls to keep cool because I am carrying equipment like GPS and Marine VHF. Although they claim to be waterproof, salt water will get to just about everything. When it is sunny at 32°C, I will consider how close I am to shore and how smooth the water is. No matter what, there is always some risk.

    • @prophecy66
      @prophecy66 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@iviewthetube like I said it's highly dependent on your body. I personally wouldn't wear a dry suit at 32c myself either. Luckily by the time it gets to those temps here the water is generally around 20c so I'm in shorts and a UV shirt.

  • @EmpireOfNerds
    @EmpireOfNerds 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Which NRS PFD model is that ?

  • @ramcharger9146
    @ramcharger9146 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love to use my whitewater kayak without a skirt I've had some sketchy moments😂

  • @vickyking3408
    @vickyking3408 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    In England its raw sewage😢

  • @andybales7318
    @andybales7318 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Something i see very often..people kayaking out in the middle of bodies of water...that's just not smart...no reason to be out in the middle, unless to cross....a kayaker was hit & killed by a barge recently....NO REASON TO BE OUT BY A BARGE IN THE MIDDLE

  • @livewire4495
    @livewire4495 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Roasted Young People with no sunscreen is what I often See.

  • @vickyking3408
    @vickyking3408 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Helmets om fast water,3 kayakers minimum

  • @arthurdirindinjr1792
    @arthurdirindinjr1792 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Wear your PFD 100% always
    If not
    It will be you just PFYS instead of just PFD

  • @josephshaff5194
    @josephshaff5194 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    👍🛶

  • @ramcharger9146
    @ramcharger9146 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wouldn't compare a life jacket to a seatbelt just because seat belts have actually killed more people than save them sadly

    • @nunyabidness3075
      @nunyabidness3075 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Also, the earth is flat.
      On the assumption you are actually serious, just to be polite, how about you throw out some sort of support for that outrageous claim?