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Understand when people say we are all one people, they mean that we are all citizens of the same country. Its a rejection of the concept of the ethno-state as we perceive the very notion of a nation based on ethnicity to be an inherently unjust form of government. Instead the nation-state should be regarded as a purely civic body because that is how the state actually functions.
imagine a parallel universe where West Virginia never seceded. Today people in northwest Virginia would be complaining that the populated areas of Richmond and Arlington don't represent them, and that if they could secede and form the state of "West Virginia" it would solve all their economic problems.
Considering that looks like the situation in many, many other states Despite it's problems WV is fairly Homogenous and doesn't have the same fracture lines internally
@@notsoawesomeone firstly the problem with the framing is that its not a purely ecconomic factor secondly problems are eternal, its just a matter of what kind and how much.
@@julienandross My hot take: Southern Tier should be ceded to Pennsylvania. Hudsonia should be its own state after that. Pennsylvania is Appalachian. Hudsonia is basically New English.
I figured that the rest of the New York counties were probably feeling pretty bitter about NYC controlling the entirety of the state, but this is the first time i've heard about the calls for secessions in the state. It may very well be lost in the chatter or they aren't reporting on it (like most mass media do) because they want the poster child for the democrat party to seem unified.
They actually work for the people. We are their bosses who can hire and fire them through the power of the vote. That is the strength of a democracy. Without the vote, we are slaves to their wants.
American's want to Govern their States how they see fit. No One wants Conform to another States rules. But yet, Everyone still wants to tell everyone else how to live.
The analysis was pretty good. Secessionist movements are a _symptom_ of the actual crisis: that we’re at a major crossroads and still figuring out what path to take. The choices we make now will make resolving this crisis either more or less violent.
As a New Yorker living in the ADKs, I feel my vote does not matter at all on a state or federal level. NYC is just too populous, and culturally we are very different.
There are many states that are that way. Like, Illinois, where 90% of the counties are red, but are out voted by chicago every election making Illinois a perpetually blue state.
It literally doesn't matter. NYC massive population literally slaps away any other vote that doesn't align with those in NYC. Basically, one city decides everything in the region.
@@josephstalin839 We need electoral college at the state level by county. Every county has electors, just as every state in federal elections. That is one way I see to take care of states like NY, IL, OR, VA that are all carried by a couple of high population counties/ cities.
you have my sympathy. Interestingly, due to how state borders were drawn in the western states, a similar issue happens. There's a minimum threshold population for petitioning to join the union so the border starts to include a few big urban centers then follows natural boundaries until it encompases the required population. This layout basically garentees that a small number of urban centers will be the centers of any powers that are justified by raw numbers of people. Three counties in my state get to make basically all the decisions.
In fairness, I think the US' people should get to decide the borders they will be in, so movements like "greater idaho" are doing a very nice job of representing its people.
That's basically 99% of the history of the middle east, except for Iran. It's a melting pot of people that come from other regions that reshape borders.
@VTRAQUEVNVMPLVSVLTRA well...no. the land was explored, settled, people formed towns, those towns connected to other towns and those people applied for statehood to which then a relatively arbitrary line was drawn. You just don't relate to your ancestors or someone in your line moved.
People can talk about secession and civil war all they want, it’ll never happen as long as most of the population can still live as we are; with our excessive fatty foods, unrestricted Internet access, and sports to keep us distracted from the real issues
If it ever actually happened they would just send in the military and everyone would get gunned down by apcs "they wouldn't do it the military wouldn't turn their guns on the American people" yes they would soldiers are just fucking mercenaries attached to a country nothing more oh maybe the occasional patriotic folk who love serving their government but that doesn't help secessionists either
It almost happened. But, AJ and God made sure we didn't fall into that trap. 😂 We don't even trust our own governor, he is just useful. We appreciate our Attorney General tho. Also all those things you list are easily dealt with. Electricity? 3MP. -Use Tor to research btw. Food? Tell truckers and Farmers to starve the problem areas and they will gladly do it. Sports? They have been compromised by the alt-left years ago. 🤣 Bio man is woman?!!?! 🙀🙀🙀 Aren't people getting removed from their homes for i11egals? 🤨🤔 Also being allowed to vote????
Will any one act on it? No. Because we have cheetos and tik-tok. Secession requires violence and that's scary. It involves death, jail, and less treats.
Not always. They’re have been plenty of bloodless secession movements by using referendums . If Scotland, for instance, leaves the UK, they won’t be a war over it, they have a political process in place. If United States had a similar political process, we could easily see state borders, re-drawn without violence. I personally don’t think redrawing the state borders based on cultural differences is a good idea, for the simple reason that culture is a thing that changes every decade or two, and you’d have to constantly keep re-drawing state borders. I don’t think that it’s good for stability, but if it’s something that People want to be done, there are plenty of ways to achieve it besides open issurection.
@@HeyJaymye what is wrong with redrawing state borders semi-regularly? i don't see anything wrong with that, so even if we assume your premis of major cultural shifts enough for new sessionist movements every decade I see no issue with that. stability? how is people angry at the government any more stable than lines moveing on the map that don't involve border guards.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Because what do you think happens when it gets redrawn to say "this is X state now, this is Y state now", and people who should be in X state are living in Y and told they don't belong because they're the kind of people Y state was formed to get away from? I'll tell you what happens because it happened all the time here in Europe when we tried this: they're either forcibly removed, or worse killed when they say "no, I like living here, I don't want to move".
@@HeyJaymye >If Scotland, for instance, leaves the UK, they won’t be a war over it, they have a political process in place. You say that but Scotland possesses the only port in the British Isles capable of housing tactical nuclear submarines that are absolutely vital for the UK's nuclear deterrence (Faslane), so England isn't going to give that up. In fact, financial ties were found between the Russian government, and the Scottish National Party, and something the SNP pushed for after receiving Russian money and going for the Scotland Independence vote, was the closing of Faslane. Gee, I wonder why...
Repeating the lessons that people refused to pay attention to with the Roman and even the Byzantine empire after them. Sticking our fingers in everyone else's pie, creating a massive legal mess of a lawbook that benefit corporations and those in charge rather than the common man.
For real people outside of the USA need to understand we are effectively 50 countries in a trenchcoat trying to convince everyone including ourselves we are a single entity.
@@sburton1971 But we have an open borders policy for US's 50 countries and are therefore also one country by chimeraism. There are actually more than that as US territories like Puerto Rico are sort of their own nation and there are also American Indian Nations scattered across the US which are independent from there surrounding states. This is also why District of Columbia can not be incorporated in Virginia or Maryland. Having the federal district incorporated in a District of Columbis state is also unnaceptable because it would be putting the national goverment under the influence of a state goverment. why if the US had a mutual open borders with Mexico or Canada it would eventually be a threat to their national sovereinty as the US has a higher center of mass in terms of economy, cultural influence, and population
I want to just live a comfortable life, where i have a house over my head, a family, food on the table, a car that takes me to work and back and any errands i need, and minimal stress in regards to bills, as well as the safety and care of my children. I don't need to be rich, i just need enough that makes me comfortable.
People want to be individuals and not a collective, nothing is wrong with that, I assume you don't want people not to rule over their life and instead have a ruler, right?
California wanting to leave was just posturing. It's mostly conservative counties in blue states not feeling well represented and wanting to govern themselves, so they look to join adjacent states because that's slightly more feasible than starting a new state, which would be practically impossible.
The only way secession has a chance is if a few states secede and link up with politically similar and geographically close states (e.g. California with Oregon and Washington or Texas with Louisiana, Alabama and Florida). A single landlocked state like Idaho becoming its own country is just a meme. But if we ever get to the point where multiple states start genuinely signaling the intent to form their own confederations, both the political process and the economy will have long since broken down at that point to make such a thing feasible to begin with. No one is seceding because they don't like their neighbor's opinion on gun rights or abortion.
A lot of the problems go back to Reynolds vs Sims. Senator Everett Dirksen said it best after that case: "The forces of our national life are not brought to bear on public questions solely in proportion to the weight of numbers. If they were, the 6 million citizens of the Chicago area would hold sway in the Illinois Legislature without consideration of the problems of their 4 million fellows who are scattered in 100 other counties. Under the Court's new decree, California could be dominated by Los Angeles and San Francisco; Michigan by Detroit." Man was he right.
The solution to the tyranny of the majority is not the even less legitimate tyranny of the minority, which is what the various disproportional representation rules that predated Reynolds represented (and some other institutions at the Federal level still do).
Because the country is too big, the concept of the federal government having such control over the entire population's daily lives is an absurd thought. There's a reason it's 50 states.
Also why would you want to surrender to the potential of future conflict. As 50 states, we can conquer (but dont have to) the world. As 1 state, we are Ukraine and have to hope some bigger nation funds our defense.
@@tonyk2027 That is a stupid response. Conquering the world is not on the radar of most Americans. It is an egotistical illusion that keeps people cucked to the federal government. Small nations have mutual defense pacts, large nations have offensive pacts like NATO. The latter only benefits the elite.
@@PeruvianPotato Places with totalitarian dictatorial governments? Yeah GREAT examples those are for a country founded on the concept of individual freedom.
Texan here. There are genuine reasons. The union we are a part of is failing us miserably. People are starting to starve, politicians have stopped caring about us (example:Ted Cruz going to Cancun while everyone else froze to death.) We're simply tired of being used and exploited by a system that believes itself above the very laws it sets while reaping the benefits of success. The US government is that Hollywood parent who steals their child's money knowing they can't do anything about it.
I'd like to point out that a lot of Texas problems are created by Texas, not the US. Look at your power grid. In order to escape federal regulation, they created a highly unreliable state entity. Every single time you have a significant weather event and your power goes out, that's your Texas policies at work. The Federal government can't help. As for food, would secession help? Texas is one of the largest agricultural exporters in the US. You have what you need. Sure, there's an argument that the Federal government should step in and regulate prices to a degree, but the State could do that and has chosen not to. In fact, Texas is very proud of its anti-regulation. So you have power issues that wouldn't be helped. You have food issues that wouldn't be helped. So what would it solve?
At this point in my personal opinion, the Union has failed us in the modern age and there is no longer a real benefit of us trying to stay together and try to make things work with a centralized government that just doesn't act like it is up holding the best interests of the people that but them in power.
Except individual states acting as their own countries is possibly one of the worst ideas ever. The thing about being a collective of states is what makes us strong, that being the fact that individual states wouldn’t be able to care for their own people or protect themselves etc. There’s a reason the founding fathers made this country this way, and I have a feeling that nobody is really going to be seceding or revolting.
I live in one of the counties that would have been part of Jefferson. I'll see people fly the green and yellow flags here and there, but its basically just a meme at this point. Would be an interesting state, though. The area had a lot of back-to-the-land types move up here in the '70s, so you would have a lot of folksy hippie types in the coastal parts (Mendocino and Humboldt) whereas the inland part would have a lot of don't tread on me types (Shasta and Trinity among others).
generally speaking, state/provincial borders were decided upon 100-200 years ago, when the population was much smaller, to effectively govern that area. Now that the population's increased manyfold, there is a valid argument to redraw North America's sub-national borders (and maybe even the international borders...) so towns in rural areas aren't dominated by the top 3 most populous cities, and citizens can govern their area without compromising 30 things to please someone 1000 km away, who will never even visit that area.
Divide each state's counties into either urban or rural, so the urbans can vote on things that only affect them and the rurals do the same. So a law that affects urban California for example doesn't ruin the lives of rural California residents. There would of course be wider state laws to make sure neither side is overly exploited or deprived of necessary things like water and power.
@@tau-5794 That already happens naturally to some degree, but the urban areas have been getting more aggressive with pushing the very same ideas that cause people to flee from them.
The United States should split off it's major cities as independent "city states". New York City could easily be a State unto itself and then the people of New York state would be free to pursue their own politics and policies.
As someone who lives in the part of Oregon trying to become Idaho, we just hate Portland and the whole costal Northwest part of the state. If you've ever been around Oregon, you know that the other side of the mountains is wild and free, and Portland with all their policies makes terrible decisions for farmers and ranchers on the he other side of the mountain. This is because they are trying to "save the environment" by restricting water usage and making other similar policies. The only problem with that is the east side of the state only fets a quarter of the rainfall that the west side gets. The policies made might make sense for anyone on the West side of the mountain range, but it just sucks for anyone in the east. I think it would be amazing and it would make a lot of sense if we were part of Idaho.
I think there are several reasons that America is dying. 1. The federal government stopped caring about the average American. 2. State governments are either too polarized to solve anything or are too conservative or Liberal. 3. Americans have lost faith in the American dream. 4. Politics has too much presence in public life, which is increasing the divide. 5. Because for polarization at the federal level, it is tanking the economy. 6. Federalizion of education, health, social welfare, and eta have destroyed the individual states themselves. 7. The federal government is constantly at war with people or places that don't consern the average American. 8. Both federal and state laws are disregarded or changed with little consideration of how it will impact the average American. 9. Many Americans either see a civil war as the only way to solve our problems or to at least solve the majority of them. 10. People like to talk big until the time comes to put their money where their mouth is.
11. Federal power expanded too much than necessary. 12. Loss of a cohesive narrative and tradition of what it means to be an American partly because of mass immigration and "globe idea" (can't say the actual term) 13. Loss of objective morality which has led to many in the country become divided over moral issues which influence their politics.
@@1685Violin 11 can just be drawn from America's first dictator In fact a lot of problems can, including said dictator having a monument of him sitting on a literal throne
I agree that counties should be allowed to break off, however I think the threshold should be a population that shall receive a minimum of 1 representative in the house of representatives. The reason I don't put a solid number on that is I believe we should start a movement to pass the stagnant congressional apportion ammendment of 1789. It passed congress but hasn't yet been ratified by the states. The ammendment set a formula that can be approximated as a piece wise, none like linear growth formula to set a ratio of representatives to constituents. The ratio grows wider over time as the U.S. population grows, if passed today and going into effect, would delicate one representative per 260k people , when the U.S. hits a population of 348 million it will be updated to 1 rep per 270k. Fun fact this ammendment is stagnant but has no expiration date and can over ride what is likely one of the worst pieces of legislation in our history, the permanent apportionment act. Do your research on it and contact your state representatives, as we could pass this today since it has been passed by congress (way back in 1789) to create a far better representatives to constituent ratio in the house of representatives.
Got a bit more time to type now, so along side more proportional representation, fixing the fact that the house by being capped st 345 members has to do some serious rounding appointing a minimum of 1 representative to each state even if the states population proportionally isn't large enough to weren't one of the 345 representatives. Funny that Z points out that he thinks the minimum state population should be 1 million as thats almost the exact number needed to warrant 1 representatives currently, however by being capped at 345 reps that number will only continue to grow. By capping at 345 you also ensure that no new states will be added without the largest of states willfully reducing their own number of representatives, in order to give one to the new state, even if its population is over 1 million. By going to a ratio even withdiminishing returns the population of one states effect on the number of representatives another state gets is almost completely eliminated, allowing new states to form with less contention. California or Texas no longer when voting on east Oregon becoming its own state or joining Idaho have to consider their own representative count in the process. The implications for the electoral college and the fact we'd need to build a new capitol building would be interesting to say the least, but it is something I think should be pushed for.
Just to be clear, “Greater Idaho” isn’t a new state, so the counties do not, have to go through the same constitutional process as something like the Jefferson movement. Greater Idaho is adding counties to an existing state, there is no real process and as such, needs to be adjudicated in the courts, not in the OR and ID legislature.
I would prefer the Jefferson movement because I love Californias/Southern Oregons weather and it would be cool for a red state to have access to the ocean
When you live in a dystopian kakistocracy ruled by two diametrically opposed factions who clash together in a Manichean death match every four years for the right to oppress the losers...why *wouldn't* you want out?
A lot of it has to do with how extreme both parties have gotten. Both of them have slowly become more and more hardline refusing to budge on issues. So people in places like eastern Oregon feel like their voices aren't being heard, and to be fair they're right, Oregon is very far left and the people in the rural farming areas are left being forced to abide by things like stricter gun control, Transgender bathroom access, drugs being decriminalized, so on and so on. And you could also look at states like New York for the same thing. It really only happens in blue states since a lot of those states are more or less completely dictated by the big cities, and rural areas are left feeling like they have no voice and their vote means nothing. And to be fair, they're right. Northern New York is super deep red, it votes red every since election, but just because of NYC alone the state is deep blue.
I find it fascinating how two people looking at the exact same situation can see two completely different things. I consider myself politically moderate, and have never been registered with any political party. But over the past ten years or so, I have found myself becoming increasingly aligned with the republican party, because from my perspective, I see them as becoming more moderate, as the democrat party becomes more and more radical. I'm not trying to argue that I'm right and your wrong, just pointing out what I find interesting.
what’s baffled me for my whole life is that south Florida doesn’t have a secessionist movement. It’s basically north Cuba, and is completely different from central Florida which is south Kentucky and north Florida which is South Georgia. We are only united by free college tuition ☠️
I'm from Idaho. I would support a referendum to redraw all the state borders to cultural and religious lines. We need to make things fair in America again. I totally agree with the concept of perhaps drawing the state borders to be more equal. We've had the same state borders depending on the state you live in for hundreds of years. Even as a conservative myself, I can say this isn't the 1700s anymore, and we have grown as a country, and for the sake of keeping us the UNITED States we need to do what it takes for the Union to survive.
@@nick8243No solution is gonna satisfy everyone, that’s never been how it works. Decisions need to be made in a way that satisfies the majority of people.
@@nick8243well I can’t say Africa or the Middle East looks good in its current state either. Some borders need to be redrawn in the western end of the US as they only currently reflect political decisions instead of cultural and environmental similarities.
Every country deals with this kind of social and political division, we just dont hear about it from other countries. We only hear how great it is over there, and how bad it is over here in comparison. Saying that the usa is going enter some sort of civil war is silly and only causes more divide and despair, especially to the people who call this country home and try to build up their country and community.
How do you build your own community when the federal government keeps interfering with it? I’d love to build my own community, but if I did, I would be subject to endless regulations on what I have to do, or who I can or can’t let in. I wouldn’t have autonomy over it, ultimately, so it’s not “my own community or country”.
People in the 1860s thought civil war was silly and not possible, you're really not knowing how pissed off some southern states are with the left government Texas has the largest oil mines in the US and a vast of other resources it can sustain itself independently without restrictions from the US federal government on it's resources therefore they will have a better response towards natural disasters, but I highly doubt that the US will let Texas go without a fight. It only takes one to stand up and when the others like minded see that they will follow through, Texas declares secession other states will follow, the reason you see it as silly it's because you like many Americans are deep within the "Bread and Circus" you're too focused on entertainment, movies , and sports because it's all you see on the media and you're blinded by what's going on in your own soil, other countries can see it but somehow people living here can't.
@@TheUltimegaMan the USA has pretty lax regulations compared to other countries and believe most of them arent stopping you from "creating your own comunity", we just need to get rid of the ones that might be unecesary and outdated
The idea that any super majority of people in a area cannot determine their own destiny is antithetical to the principle of democracy and self-governance.
I don't want secession because my enemies don't want secession. My enemies don't want to leave me alone, even if secession happens, and the side that wants to be left alone will always lose to the side that wants to win. Secession screams retreat and will give people the the false sense of it being finally over. Your forefathers did not bled and died for those lands just so you can give it up.
America is a big ass yugoslavia that somehow works. Atleast in my croatian eyes. I allways wondered why havent black people started a rebelion or a civil war. I know the gangs are disorginized but a wish for freedom is a great general.
@@titanicbigship yeah thats a shit argument since the language was made by both sides. Later on the serbs said its theirs but they cannot read old serbian for some reason. While I can read old croatian.
Because we're not racist like you Balkaners are. What would happen to all the white people in the South if they somehow won? Would it end up causing the white people to rebel again?
When American’s can finally realize that “American” is the imperial title of citizen, kind of like the Roman Empire, and that the country is comprised of 50 minor nations, similar to Iberia, Gaul, Judea, Brittania, Numeria, Greece, Egypt, etc… like the Roman empire, that the nation is comprised of different people’s and different values, that a one size fits all approach is not going to work, then maybe we might actually just get somewhere.
@@not_even_known_yet3167 you do realize that on all currency in the United States is the phrase "E Pluribus Unum" which is Latin for "Out of many, one"
10:45 As a Wyomingite, and I believe Vermonters would concur, any revocation of our sovereignty just because our population hasn't grown at the same rate as other states is even more unfair than the current status quo. Dissolving states is not a good solution.
Honestly, I thought your ideas were stupid, but I actually took the time to think about it and realized that you have a great amount of truth in your statements. Im a Pennsylvanian and I'm proud of my state, I'd be sad to see it go, at the same time I realize that maybe we would be better off in the end though.
The reason in my opinions goes back to the leadership within this nation. In a healthy Democracy, the people elect those who represent them. And yes this means people are picking between differing directions and decisions and paths. But whomever is elected into those leadership positions needs to understand that despite not receiving the votes of some, they are elected to represent ALL the people in their district or county or city or state or nation even. Unfortunately, many of these leaders these days lash onto the 50+1 mentality rule and basically ignore those not voting for them. And when you live in areas where one party keeps winning over and over, the people on the other side become frustrated, and angry, and lash our as THEY ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED. They have no voice, no one speaking on their behalf in government. Take California with it's strong blue lean. At the state level those with conservatives' beliefs feel utterly ignored. They can elect their own local representative, but that person has no power within the state government, and the other party makes all the decisions, and they do what they want due to the level of control they have. And the state government doesn't even hide their disdain and refusal to discuss any ideas from the conservative side. They live with the we are the majority we rule mentality. Just like the UK did over the early US and their colonies. And human nature is such that any such mistreatment (yes mistreatment) of one group of people eventually leads to bad results.
I'm taking a page out of Razorfist's book and saying that state level electoral colleges would help alleviate the secessionist pressure. Redrawing borders could work as well but have to done over time.
Dunno, the whole secessionist movement sounds more like some big gerrymandering scheme... only instead of re-drawing county precinct maps, this time it's at the _state_ level.
Wouldn't a Nebraska solution work for NY state? The city gives vote(s) based on its population and the rest of state separately. Or just scrap the majoritarian system altogether. Also moving state borders wouldn't work long term because in 30 year the political situation might be completely different and moving the borders every time a state is split in half on voting isn't sustainable. 30 years ago both Oregon and Idaho were firmly republican and it's not parties that matter but values and the two parties have switched places on certain matters a few times through history.
Can you do a video on states that want to succeed from states but remain in the union and how this could work. Greater Idaho and Greater West Virginia. California and New York Illinois Partitioning. Maybe a series doing 1 video per State.
@@Chance_Rice Conservative counties wanting representation away from liberal dominated counties bordering DC. Is a Joke to you your a Fool. Same logic as new york and Illinois.
It isn't talked about like New York or California but Maryland is another state losing population. Like northern Virginia, the state has been colonized by DC. So there is interest in only catering to a few wealthy counties while everyone else gets ignored, along with an overreacting government. The grief isn't just in the western counties. The peninsula also gets ignored. I support the western counties leaving. Though it is coming up against a large machine like Long Island.
I sort of wish there was a website where you could see Monsieur Z's redrawn borders in detail so that you could learn more about each region without having to watch the video Plus it would be kind of cool to just stare at if you're a geography nerd
I don't understand how quite literally dividing the country based on ideology is supposed to help fix a country that is increasingly divided by ideology.
Your point about americans having different sub-cultures is valid, but that applies to most nations. However, I believe that this just proves your point further, representation IS important.
@@harrietharlow9929 well make sure you don't come across the line either we southerners don't want you Yankees either so be it Virginia Mississippi or Florida stay out the south you damn Yankee
Personally i think making the borders natural boundaries or the regional watershed they share makes the most sense. However, including culture in that factor is a good idea as well since it is important to unity.
It would be helpful to show the US map with lines for existing states and your proposed states at the same time, with lines that are a different size and color for the existing.
Honestly I’m surprised more liberal Oregonians don’t support the greater Idaho movement. If anything, it would benefit them the most and Idaho the least. Oregon’s coast essentially subsidizes the interior, plus it would give their House of Representatives a democratic supermajority.
I am a Californian of dutch ancestry. I am also comservative. Yet i have nothing in common with conservatives of the south. I know this because a lot of the white people in my little town are of southern ancestey and i have NOTHING in common woth them except speakimg English.
All to often people in vast areas of the country have found that the “power centers” are deaf to their concerns and they want to secede from those places so that they can either join with others who may be amenable to their interests or form a new government. This isn’t hard to understand and it’s absolutely true. Ten of the 25 wealthiest counties in the country are in the D.C. suburbs. Power centers enrich themselves and seem to either not understand or not care about the concerns of the hinterlands. I’m not the biggest fan of Donald Trump, but he recognized that a large part of the population did not feel that either party (at least not the “party insiders) were taking their concerns seriously. Say what you will about Trump, but he at least pretends to care about those people and their concerns.
Coming from southern Illinois, the running joke to fix Illinois was to dig a ditch around Chicago and let it float off into Lake Michigan or sell it to Canada
Otherwise, state parties should be changed to more accurately reflect that state's politics. In States Like Oregon or Nebraska its basically a one party state and the opposition party won't ever accomplish anything. But if the Republican and democratic parties in these states collapsed, two new parties could form and they could be more competitive by ceding ground on some areas and focusing the discussion on other areas that the national democratic/republican parties wouldn't do.
Buddy - welcome to EVERY STATE IN AMERICA. I'm from Pittsburgh - take away Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Pennsylvania suddenly looks, acts and shamelessly behaves like Kentucky.
The answer is city states. Allow X amount of cities to become city states. This will allow vastly different cultures and voting blocks to succeed or fail with their own policies without imposing their ideologies on the rest of the state.
You should do a video ranking each state by how close their borders are to what they should be, because I notice my state (Iowa for life), is nearly the same even by your map.
"The empire long united must divide and long divided must unite this is how it has always been" -Luo Guanzhong A powerful Nation/Empire breaking apart is just history repeating itself.
@@de132 Don't be a fool. I came to this conclusion over years of not wanting it to be true. Only until I was left with no other rational conclusion did I accept it.
I'm from Oregon, and strongly advocate the following: 1.) Greater Idaho - The version that gives Idaho coastal access at Coos Bay, which is just about the shittiest place in the NW, but entirely due to Oregon's leftist environmental regulations that leave it impoverished. Coos Bay, if allowed to develop, would become a major port city like Seattle or San Francisco, minus their obvious silliness. It would also bankrupt the Port of Portland, as why would any ship take an extra full day to go up the Columbia River to Portland, when they could make a quick stop in Coos Bay, and then proceed North to ports in Puget Sound, or South to San Francisco Bay? Coos Bay is the only deepwater port between these two other locations. Additionally, parts of Eastern Washington should join as well, especially SE Washington, such as the Tri Cities, but not including Spokane. Though this seems unlikely now, if current trends continue, it is inevitable. 2.) Annexation of Vancouver Island - Because Canada can eat shit. 3.) Splitting Washington at the Olympic Peninsula - The Olympic Peninsula is geographically distinct from the rest of Washington and has a lot of traits that make it different from the more urban areas of Seattle, Tacoma, and even Spokane. This would become a new swing state, but could be skewed right or left depending on where the exact lines are drawn, such as whether or not Olympia is included, or how far South to cut it.
This would be awesome, i'm wanting to move to Oregon but the parts i'm thinking of aren't in the proposed Greater Idaho line, which sucks, not that not gonna move if it doesn't happen, but it'd certainly make it even better.
Greater Idaho is a horrible idea. Idaho has shit infrastructure and roads that need to be replaced number one: and giving it more land would just add on to that problem. Two, marijuana is illegal in all of Idaho. Both recreationally and somewhat medically. 3, the minimum wage would change for the worst, despite ideological differences it would absolutely turn eastern Oregon into a shithole. Idaho definitely doesn’t need a coast line.
Vancouver Island? That was settled well over 100 years ago. It would trash the relationship and alliance with not only Canada, but also the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. Not worth it.
I'm originally from New Orleans and I've lived in Houston for years. In both places I can tell you that most people feel like they have no representation in state or federal government, that state government is hostile towards local interests and concerns, and that they're subsidizing distant parts of the state while having their own needs neglected and ignored. Texas needs to be broken up into five states at this point, and Louisiana might need to be split into two or three. The current borders just don't work or make sense anymore.
The big division is between urban and rural populations and it exists in every country throughout time. It’s just right now Urban and Rural cultures are especially divergent. I usually takes some time for rural culture to catch up.
I think you have misunderstood something very important here. Because the issue the Anglo countries currently face is that rural populations have become vehemently opposed to "catching up" to urban culture, because they see it as unhealthy, degenerate and insane (not just as a little bit weird and arrogant as was the perception before for half a century). The perception has shifted from "not for me and my neighborhood, but you do you" to "stay away from my kids or I'm considering violence". And that is a divide that will not be cured by time (until the cities collapse on themselves).
@@thermionic1234567 You will. It has happened since 4000BC when the 1st cites were made. All progress comes from the cities for 6000 years. If you won’t your kids and grandkids will long after youre gone. It always happens that way.
"Catch up" Thanks for displaying the source of the divide so perfectly. We are NOT behind you people to begin with! Life in rural America is better in every measurable way.
@@Runenschuppe Exactly! US cities have become complete and total cesspools in the 21st century. My wife and I were both born and raised in one of the biggest cities in the country, and getting out before our kids started school was the best decision EVER.
you are missing a vital aspect of all this. two cultures can coincide just fine if their core values are the same. it doesnt matter how different they act or speak, so long as they both have the same fundamental beliefs. what I mean by this is that they both must lie relatively near each other on the political spectrum, as an authoritarian slave culture cannot coincide with a conservative or libertarian self reliance culture, and they both must hold similar moral values on top of that, as there can be vast differences in authoritarianism and even the opposite side can fight when it comes to the matter of the self violation of rights. if both of these are close enough to each other, then those two cultures can coincide perfectly, and actually will likely merge together. these are the key aspects that divide cultures in the first place, what divide people, and you cant properly talk about something like this without understanding that.
This was what I was touching on in a comment on the last video. Heavy granularization as depicted would in my opinion exacerbate the division we're experiencing. Homogeneity doesn't have to be the goal, unity will suffice.
something funny i think and is somewhat related to this is how i, a non-american, could see america was not really united, but an american was trynna convince me it was united cause everyone in america is american, little did they know that there is many reasons people might wanna secede
You know, I legitimately think that Latin America might have probably the best borders in the world, each country roughly contain its own culture and the geography that separates each border means that each homeland is actually well defined and actually represented in its geography. Like you can look at Ecuador and see how well nestled it is or how natural the border between Argentina and Chile is I mean, no wonder that it's genuinely the most peaceful continent on earth with barely any conflict in the last 150 years. I think that Latin America is the perfect example for Utahism that you might use, they are also different people born from the same past sharing the same language (arguably, they are more similar to one another than most US cultures are since they are almosg all Catholic) yet as I've highlighted, they still grew different cultures that have borders defining each culture and protecting it so that they all have their own polity to represent them. If that happens to South America, there's no reason to assume North America has a single monolithic culture either. As an outsider, I actively cheer your initiative, and thank you for opening my eyes to it as I probably wouldn't have noticed all of that on my own
Yes, Latin America is very peacefull. No civil wars, drug cartels, no mass emigration of people trying for a better life somewhere else. Somewhere to the north.
@kevincousino2276 I'm talking about INTER STATE WARS thought context was enough since I was talking explicitly about externa borders, but it seems everything needs to be spelled directly here. In the entire 20th Century there barely were any single wars between two Latin American countries, as far as I'm aware, all of which were in the Caribbean and Central America not South America (might be wrong I might have missed one but I don't see any) and even in the 19th century, past the initial post colonial chaos, there has been very few wars as well These countries have issues, but war between one another isn't one of them.
As someone from the Latin World we don't have the best borders throughout the 19th and 20th century wars were fought over land, and there's still disputes between us to this day. Also "most peaceful continent" really, half of the countries here half been turned into narco states; The massive hyper power that dominates the western hemisphere is the reason why we don't declare war on each other if Venezuela tried to invade Guyana they would be obliterated by whatever the US decides to do with them. We had countries like the US but they collapsed either because of geography or corruption from the state, we can be pretty culturally cohesive its why the term "Latin America" exists. Americans are like the most cultural cohesive group in the world they don't have an official religion, they all speak basic English they engage in the same media and share the same common culture. Someone from Texas has more things in common with someone from California then a Columbian and a Peruvian have in common.
Europe also had stupid borders. The city i live in was cut in half and divided. And we fought with the belgians for independance, and were forced to join the netherlands.
Texas Secessionists: "Texan Independence! States' Rights! Long live the Texas Republic! RAWR!" Texas Secessionists After a Natural Disaster: "Pwetty pwease, can I has FEMA money? UwU"
I take your point, but there are a few differences. Cities were especially-important during the Industrial Revolution when it was necessary to centralize production and house labor. And before then, urbanization took place in relatively-homogeneous places. Intellectual discourse was facilitated by proximity and has sped up immeasurably because of the internet. My wife and I are from NYC and Washington, DC respectively. NYC and DC were hell holes during COVID and NYC seems on a permanent decline whereas DC has certainly gotten better (partly because it has finally recovered from the devastation of the 1968 riots). We are now in the country and not far from two small university cities that offer a great deal of culture. Dining around here is challenging, but since my wife was diagnosed with hypertension, we’ve agreed that eating out is less important as sodium control is virtually impossible. We both work from home and as someone on the periphery of the music industry who is deeply interested in the creative process and the decline of the music industry over the last twenty years or so, I can see that a decline in the cities could be an issue. What if there was no Liverpoool? That said, a lot of good alternative music has come from university towns. Random thoughts for sure…
We could fix all of this if we got rid of past the post voting and switch to proportional voting. But the two party system would fall apart if that happened and they don’t want to get rid of their power.
Why does Vermont or Wyoming need at least 1 million residents? I think the smaller the population the better because it allows for each individual to have a greater share of representation in their state government and a more culturally aligned population when it comes to values/traditions, voting/ballot proposals, and enactment/enforcement of laws that align with the entire population as opposed to denser more populated cities.
The western counties in Virginia have been suggesting the same thing. It doesn't make any sense. Why would those counties, which are in rich states, want to leave that rich state to join a poor one? It also doesn't make sense for West Virginia, which would be adding more poor counties to the poor counties they already have. I don't see a benefit here.
The United States should adopt a system similar to the HRE. Free cities and regions independent of state rule that decide for themselves without deciding for the rest of the state. This would solve many of the issues we face without a reorganization of state boundaries.
@@doomexe ends with your house being its own country, and your literal neighbors invading you. too many people think the status quo is like the worst possible thing that could happen to them imaginable
Current data suggests that The Separatists are a vocal plurality. Apparently 45 percent of Texans want to secede. While people are silent, these are worrying statistics, and can be used by foreign powers to weaken America and The states The USA inhabits.
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There is also the State “Liberty” in Eastern Washington.
You don't think that people aren't ready.....oh what you don't know
Understand when people say we are all one people, they mean that we are all citizens of the same country. Its a rejection of the concept of the ethno-state as we perceive the very notion of a nation based on ethnicity to be an inherently unjust form of government. Instead the nation-state should be regarded as a purely civic body because that is how the state actually functions.
The division in America stems from the arbitrary borders?
A square creates chaos?
Are you fucking retarded
@@hippo11222 I’m not in support of an ethno-state, but what makes it unjust? Is Japan unjust for maintaining their homogeneity?
imagine a parallel universe where West Virginia never seceded.
Today people in northwest Virginia would be complaining that the populated areas of Richmond and Arlington don't represent them, and that if they could secede and form the state of "West Virginia" it would solve all their economic problems.
Virginia would probably be a Republican state if West Virginia was still part of it.
But did it solve their economic problems? I'm not sure if west virginia is exactly a shining example of economy...
Considering that looks like the situation in many, many other states
Despite it's problems WV is fairly Homogenous and doesn't have the same fracture lines internally
@@notsoawesomeone firstly the problem with the framing is that its not a purely ecconomic factor
secondly problems are eternal, its just a matter of what kind and how much.
@@notsoawesomeone I think that's his point.
Why would anyone want to be with another group of people that does not like them?
Because they're Russian bots.
That's the part of all this I never understood
I mean it happens a lot. People are more united by way of life instead of way of look
Agreed, but the solution is not to try and move the borders. The solution is to MOVE YOUR FUCKING SELF
@@hopeintruth5119 they don't have the same way of life, same ideas nor same goal
"What KIND of American are you?"
You’re lame as hell for quoting that movie.
I am an American from Nevada 😂
I'm an American from Tennessee
I'm an American from Utah
I'm American. I don't need anything else
As a Hudsonian (region comprising much of Upstate New York), it's nutty how Oregon and Idaho stole our thunder here.
bro all us upstaters have been saying this for ages lol. im in WNY and id be down as a clown to join PA or ohio.
@@julienandross how down is the clown ? 🤡
@@julienandross My hot take: Southern Tier should be ceded to Pennsylvania. Hudsonia should be its own state after that. Pennsylvania is Appalachian. Hudsonia is basically New English.
I figured that the rest of the New York counties were probably feeling pretty bitter about NYC controlling the entirety of the state, but this is the first time i've heard about the calls for secessions in the state. It may very well be lost in the chatter or they aren't reporting on it (like most mass media do) because they want the poster child for the democrat party to seem unified.
Hudsonian is what we always called "Upper State". =)
As someone from upstate NY, please let the city be its own state, Gotham.
Same, hi of Oneonta, lived in Gotham for many years and yes it needs to be its own place
With in the Union
Yeah, I live in Albany, and I'm tired of Gotham
No one calls it Gotham, Upstare will have the Name Hudson or Erie
Do you guys also have batman to deal with crime
Because people in charge in america treat people not in charge as under them and dominate them instead of drawing policies with them in line as well
They actually work for the people. We are their bosses who can hire and fire them through the power of the vote. That is the strength of a democracy. Without the vote, we are slaves to their wants.
What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him, and treats him like trash?
@@MonsieurDean You get what you f*ckin deserve!
@@MonsieurDean
You get what you fucking deserve!
@@MonsieurDean A veterain😢
American's want to Govern their States how they see fit.
No One wants Conform to another States rules.
But yet, Everyone still wants to tell everyone else how to live.
The only one with that right should be me, King Larry.
The analysis was pretty good. Secessionist movements are a _symptom_ of the actual crisis: that we’re at a major crossroads and still figuring out what path to take. The choices we make now will make resolving this crisis either more or less violent.
As a New Yorker living in the ADKs, I feel my vote does not matter at all on a state or federal level. NYC is just too populous, and culturally we are very different.
NYC is basically rich people who keep minorities as pets and homosexuals as advisors.
There are many states that are that way. Like, Illinois, where 90% of the counties are red, but are out voted by chicago every election making Illinois a perpetually blue state.
It literally doesn't matter. NYC massive population literally slaps away any other vote that doesn't align with those in NYC. Basically, one city decides everything in the region.
@@josephstalin839 We need electoral college at the state level by county. Every county has electors, just as every state in federal elections. That is one way I see to take care of states like NY, IL, OR, VA that are all carried by a couple of high population counties/ cities.
you have my sympathy.
Interestingly, due to how state borders were drawn in the western states, a similar issue happens.
There's a minimum threshold population for petitioning to join the union so the border starts to include a few big urban centers then follows natural boundaries until it encompases the required population. This layout basically garentees that a small number of urban centers will be the centers of any powers that are justified by raw numbers of people. Three counties in my state get to make basically all the decisions.
In fairness Africa and the middle east had their borders imposed by foreign powers.
The USA did that to itself.
In fairness, I think the US' people should get to decide the borders they will be in, so movements like "greater idaho" are doing a very nice job of representing its people.
@@somebodyintheinternet5478 So true!
No, the U.S Government did that to the people of the United States.
That's basically 99% of the history of the middle east, except for Iran. It's a melting pot of people that come from other regions that reshape borders.
@VTRAQUEVNVMPLVSVLTRA well...no. the land was explored, settled, people formed towns, those towns connected to other towns and those people applied for statehood to which then a relatively arbitrary line was drawn. You just don't relate to your ancestors or someone in your line moved.
People can talk about secession and civil war all they want, it’ll never happen as long as most of the population can still live as we are; with our excessive fatty foods, unrestricted Internet access, and sports to keep us distracted from the real issues
If it ever actually happened they would just send in the military and everyone would get gunned down by apcs "they wouldn't do it the military wouldn't turn their guns on the American people" yes they would soldiers are just fucking mercenaries attached to a country nothing more oh maybe the occasional patriotic folk who love serving their government but that doesn't help secessionists either
Lets go Lakers
That's nonsense. It's a pretty pathetic and useless population that adhere to that thinking
Our foods are not excessively fatty, they're excessively sugary and carby.
It almost happened. But, AJ and God made sure we didn't fall into that trap. 😂 We don't even trust our own governor, he is just useful. We appreciate our Attorney General tho.
Also all those things you list are easily dealt with. Electricity? 3MP. -Use Tor to research btw.
Food? Tell truckers and Farmers to starve the problem areas and they will gladly do it.
Sports? They have been compromised by the alt-left years ago. 🤣
Bio man is woman?!!?! 🙀🙀🙀
Aren't people getting removed from their homes for i11egals? 🤨🤔 Also being allowed to vote????
Will any one act on it? No. Because we have cheetos and tik-tok. Secession requires violence and that's scary. It involves death, jail, and less treats.
Not always. They’re have been plenty of bloodless secession movements by using referendums . If Scotland, for instance, leaves the UK, they won’t be a war over it, they have a political process in place. If United States had a similar political process, we could easily see state borders, re-drawn without violence. I personally don’t think redrawing the state borders based on cultural differences is a good idea, for the simple reason that culture is a thing that changes every decade or two, and you’d have to constantly keep re-drawing state borders. I don’t think that it’s good for stability, but if it’s something that People want to be done, there are plenty of ways to achieve it besides open issurection.
Exactly,people are too fat a lazy basically.
@@HeyJaymye what is wrong with redrawing state borders semi-regularly? i don't see anything wrong with that, so even if we assume your premis of major cultural shifts enough for new sessionist movements every decade I see no issue with that.
stability? how is people angry at the government any more stable than lines moveing on the map that don't involve border guards.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Because what do you think happens when it gets redrawn to say "this is X state now, this is Y state now", and people who should be in X state are living in Y and told they don't belong because they're the kind of people Y state was formed to get away from? I'll tell you what happens because it happened all the time here in Europe when we tried this: they're either forcibly removed, or worse killed when they say "no, I like living here, I don't want to move".
@@HeyJaymye >If Scotland, for instance, leaves the UK, they won’t be a war over it, they have a political process in place.
You say that but Scotland possesses the only port in the British Isles capable of housing tactical nuclear submarines that are absolutely vital for the UK's nuclear deterrence (Faslane), so England isn't going to give that up. In fact, financial ties were found between the Russian government, and the Scottish National Party, and something the SNP pushed for after receiving Russian money and going for the Scotland Independence vote, was the closing of Faslane. Gee, I wonder why...
Some states want to secede. I want to kick certain states out of the Union.
And what would that be?
Which states?
A divided union is the fall of the USA. Then china wins.
California GTFO!
@@caryphillips4885
Yeah California is one of those few states that are better off by themselves in certain areas
Secession, as American as apple pie.
Apple pie is dutch 😅
@@gljames24We didn’t invent it but we do it best.
@@fishconnoisseurexactly, we take things and make them better
@@fishconnoisseur proof?
@@jacksonguillory8114 do you have proof?
Repeating the lessons that people refused to pay attention to with the Roman and even the Byzantine empire after them. Sticking our fingers in everyone else's pie, creating a massive legal mess of a lawbook that benefit corporations and those in charge rather than the common man.
For real people outside of the USA need to understand we are effectively 50 countries in a trenchcoat trying to convince everyone including ourselves we are a single entity.
Great analogy
@@sburton1971 But we have an open borders policy for US's 50 countries and are therefore also one country by chimeraism. There are actually more than that as US territories like Puerto Rico are sort of their own nation and there are also American Indian Nations scattered across the US which are independent from there surrounding states.
This is also why District of Columbia can not be incorporated in Virginia or Maryland. Having the federal district incorporated in a District of Columbis state is also unnaceptable because it would be putting the national goverment under the influence of a state goverment.
why if the US had a mutual open borders with Mexico or Canada it would eventually be a threat to their national sovereinty as the US has a higher center of mass in terms of economy, cultural influence, and population
Because everyone wants power and to rule. No one wants to be powerless and be ruled.
Very few want to rule. Everyone wants a good life
I want to just live a comfortable life, where i have a house over my head, a family, food on the table, a car that takes me to work and back and any errands i need, and minimal stress in regards to bills, as well as the safety and care of my children. I don't need to be rich, i just need enough that makes me comfortable.
@@socire72very few people don't wash their children and write about das capital
@@BurakkuHishouamen
People want to be individuals and not a collective, nothing is wrong with that, I assume you don't want people not to rule over their life and instead have a ruler, right?
California wanting to leave was just posturing. It's mostly conservative counties in blue states not feeling well represented and wanting to govern themselves, so they look to join adjacent states because that's slightly more feasible than starting a new state, which would be practically impossible.
The only way secession has a chance is if a few states secede and link up with politically similar and geographically close states (e.g. California with Oregon and Washington or Texas with Louisiana, Alabama and Florida). A single landlocked state like Idaho becoming its own country is just a meme. But if we ever get to the point where multiple states start genuinely signaling the intent to form their own confederations, both the political process and the economy will have long since broken down at that point to make such a thing feasible to begin with. No one is seceding because they don't like their neighbor's opinion on gun rights or abortion.
A lot of the problems go back to Reynolds vs Sims. Senator Everett Dirksen said it best after that case: "The forces of our national life are not brought to bear on public questions solely in proportion to the weight of numbers. If they were, the 6 million citizens of the Chicago area would hold sway in the Illinois Legislature without consideration of the problems of their 4 million fellows who are scattered in 100 other counties. Under the Court's new decree, California could be dominated by Los Angeles and San Francisco; Michigan by Detroit." Man was he right.
As a citizen of Illinois, I will always honor the memory of Senator Everett Dirksen.
The solution to the tyranny of the majority is not the even less legitimate tyranny of the minority, which is what the various disproportional representation rules that predated Reynolds represented (and some other institutions at the Federal level still do).
Because the country is too big, the concept of the federal government having such control over the entire population's daily lives is an absurd thought. There's a reason it's 50 states.
China? Russia?
@@PeruvianPotato Just because they're authoritarian shitholes doesn't mean we have to be
Also why would you want to surrender to the potential of future conflict. As 50 states, we can conquer (but dont have to) the world. As 1 state, we are Ukraine and have to hope some bigger nation funds our defense.
@@tonyk2027 That is a stupid response. Conquering the world is not on the radar of most Americans. It is an egotistical illusion that keeps people cucked to the federal government. Small nations have mutual defense pacts, large nations have offensive pacts like NATO. The latter only benefits the elite.
@@PeruvianPotato Places with totalitarian dictatorial governments? Yeah GREAT examples those are for a country founded on the concept of individual freedom.
Texan here. There are genuine reasons. The union we are a part of is failing us miserably. People are starting to starve, politicians have stopped caring about us (example:Ted Cruz going to Cancun while everyone else froze to death.) We're simply tired of being used and exploited by a system that believes itself above the very laws it sets while reaping the benefits of success.
The US government is that Hollywood parent who steals their child's money knowing they can't do anything about it.
Englishman here - do Texans think of Ted Cruz as being a good Texan? He doesn’t seem very much like what I think of as a Texan to me
Da fuck is Cancun?
I'd like to point out that a lot of Texas problems are created by Texas, not the US. Look at your power grid. In order to escape federal regulation, they created a highly unreliable state entity. Every single time you have a significant weather event and your power goes out, that's your Texas policies at work. The Federal government can't help.
As for food, would secession help? Texas is one of the largest agricultural exporters in the US. You have what you need. Sure, there's an argument that the Federal government should step in and regulate prices to a degree, but the State could do that and has chosen not to. In fact, Texas is very proud of its anti-regulation.
So you have power issues that wouldn't be helped. You have food issues that wouldn't be helped. So what would it solve?
@@metal_pipe9764its a beach in mexico
but when you do eventually leave, you will come crying to the US for help when a disaster strikes you
At this point in my personal opinion, the Union has failed us in the modern age and there is no longer a real benefit of us trying to stay together and try to make things work with a centralized government that just doesn't act like it is up holding the best interests of the people that but them in power.
Except individual states acting as their own countries is possibly one of the worst ideas ever. The thing about being a collective of states is what makes us strong, that being the fact that individual states wouldn’t be able to care for their own people or protect themselves etc. There’s a reason the founding fathers made this country this way, and I have a feeling that nobody is really going to be seceding or revolting.
This is nothing new. The state of Jefferson probably would have happened if it wasn't for WWII.
I live in one of the counties that would have been part of Jefferson. I'll see people fly the green and yellow flags here and there, but its basically just a meme at this point. Would be an interesting state, though. The area had a lot of back-to-the-land types move up here in the '70s, so you would have a lot of folksy hippie types in the coastal parts (Mendocino and Humboldt) whereas the inland part would have a lot of don't tread on me types (Shasta and Trinity among others).
We would have had North California and South California if it wasn't for WWII.
“Texan liberation now! We don’t want to be part of America!”
-Dimitri Andropov from Volgograd.
warm-water port
Dimitri sounds based
Not only should tx seceed we need to deport all the Californians and close our borders when it's done
@La_Plata-u2f lol is this satire? russians are notorious of this russification
@@brodday In their own country maybe and surrounding regions.
generally speaking, state/provincial borders were decided upon 100-200 years ago, when the population was much smaller, to effectively govern that area. Now that the population's increased manyfold, there is a valid argument to redraw North America's sub-national borders (and maybe even the international borders...) so towns in rural areas aren't dominated by the top 3 most populous cities, and citizens can govern their area without compromising 30 things to please someone 1000 km away, who will never even visit that area.
Divide each state's counties into either urban or rural, so the urbans can vote on things that only affect them and the rurals do the same. So a law that affects urban California for example doesn't ruin the lives of rural California residents. There would of course be wider state laws to make sure neither side is overly exploited or deprived of necessary things like water and power.
THIS is something I could get behind.
@@tau-5794 That already happens naturally to some degree, but the urban areas have been getting more aggressive with pushing the very same ideas that cause people to flee from them.
The United States should split off it's major cities as independent "city states". New York City could easily be a State unto itself and then the people of New York state would be free to pursue their own politics and policies.
As someone who lives in the part of Oregon trying to become Idaho, we just hate Portland and the whole costal Northwest part of the state. If you've ever been around Oregon, you know that the other side of the mountains is wild and free, and Portland with all their policies makes terrible decisions for farmers and ranchers on the he other side of the mountain. This is because they are trying to "save the environment" by restricting water usage and making other similar policies. The only problem with that is the east side of the state only fets a quarter of the rainfall that the west side gets. The policies made might make sense for anyone on the West side of the mountain range, but it just sucks for anyone in the east. I think it would be amazing and it would make a lot of sense if we were part of Idaho.
Take the right wingers in East Washington with you.
Brother, I am from western Washington, and I have more in common with you than Seattle
the divide far bigger than most outsiders can even understand.
I think there are several reasons that America is dying.
1. The federal government stopped caring about the average American.
2. State governments are either too polarized to solve anything or are too conservative or Liberal.
3. Americans have lost faith in the American dream.
4. Politics has too much presence in public life, which is increasing the divide.
5. Because for polarization at the federal level, it is tanking the economy.
6. Federalizion of education, health, social welfare, and eta have destroyed the individual states themselves.
7. The federal government is constantly at war with people or places that don't consern the average American.
8. Both federal and state laws are disregarded or changed with little consideration of how it will impact the average American.
9. Many Americans either see a civil war as the only way to solve our problems or to at least solve the majority of them.
10. People like to talk big until the time comes to put their money where their mouth is.
11. Federal power expanded too much than necessary.
12. Loss of a cohesive narrative and tradition of what it means to be an American partly because of mass immigration and "globe idea" (can't say the actual term)
13. Loss of objective morality which has led to many in the country become divided over moral issues which influence their politics.
@@1685Violin
11 can just be drawn from America's first dictator
In fact a lot of problems can, including said dictator having a monument of him sitting on a literal throne
@@commisaryarreck3974throne?
@@commisaryarreck3974 You guys asked for it 🤷♂️
@@1685Violin american isn't a real identity. its like calling yourself a 'global citizen' but in a national scale.
I agree that counties should be allowed to break off, however I think the threshold should be a population that shall receive a minimum of 1 representative in the house of representatives. The reason I don't put a solid number on that is I believe we should start a movement to pass the stagnant congressional apportion ammendment of 1789. It passed congress but hasn't yet been ratified by the states. The ammendment set a formula that can be approximated as a piece wise, none like linear growth formula to set a ratio of representatives to constituents. The ratio grows wider over time as the U.S. population grows, if passed today and going into effect, would delicate one representative per 260k people , when the U.S. hits a population of 348 million it will be updated to 1 rep per 270k.
Fun fact this ammendment is stagnant but has no expiration date and can over ride what is likely one of the worst pieces of legislation in our history, the permanent apportionment act. Do your research on it and contact your state representatives, as we could pass this today since it has been passed by congress (way back in 1789) to create a far better representatives to constituent ratio in the house of representatives.
Got a bit more time to type now, so along side more proportional representation, fixing the fact that the house by being capped st 345 members has to do some serious rounding appointing a minimum of 1 representative to each state even if the states population proportionally isn't large enough to weren't one of the 345 representatives. Funny that Z points out that he thinks the minimum state population should be 1 million as thats almost the exact number needed to warrant 1 representatives currently, however by being capped at 345 reps that number will only continue to grow.
By capping at 345 you also ensure that no new states will be added without the largest of states willfully reducing their own number of representatives, in order to give one to the new state, even if its population is over 1 million.
By going to a ratio even withdiminishing returns the population of one states effect on the number of representatives another state gets is almost completely eliminated, allowing new states to form with less contention. California or Texas no longer when voting on east Oregon becoming its own state or joining Idaho have to consider their own representative count in the process.
The implications for the electoral college and the fact we'd need to build a new capitol building would be interesting to say the least, but it is something I think should be pushed for.
Just to be clear, “Greater Idaho” isn’t a new state, so the counties do not, have to go through the same constitutional process as something like the Jefferson movement.
Greater Idaho is adding counties to an existing state, there is no real process and as such, needs to be adjudicated in the courts, not in the OR and ID legislature.
I would prefer the Jefferson movement because I love Californias/Southern Oregons weather and it would be cool for a red state to have access to the ocean
@@dylancool8903texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, and Alaska. You got plenty of coastline.
When you live in a dystopian kakistocracy ruled by two diametrically opposed factions who clash together in a Manichean death match every four years for the right to oppress the losers...why *wouldn't* you want out?
Yes but OUR sacred democracy
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@@Le_Dislike_ButtonAs if there ever was
America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy. It was never designed to be a democracy.
America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy. It was never designed to be a democracy.
I'm from Long island NY and I want the island to become it's own state. Cause I'm tired of the City controlling everything in this state.
You’re most definitely not alone, I’m from upstate and feel the same
As a Rochester native, this video really hit home. Always love when you bring attention to these supercities drowning out our votes.
The UK wasn't mentioned once
@@metal_pipe9764I live in Rochester but an American one
The UK what? Stop making things up.
I have a feeling this country won’t survive to the end of this century
Yes! 🎉
*decade
Please. My country was invaded and 10% of our entire population was killed just to hold them off, and we survived it. Don't be such a drama queen.
The country will…
But the Republic probably won’t.
I look forward to America’s coming Caesar.
I think we will. I truly believe we will be able to maintain our government, as well as making better changes to decrease the political tension.
A lot of it has to do with how extreme both parties have gotten. Both of them have slowly become more and more hardline refusing to budge on issues. So people in places like eastern Oregon feel like their voices aren't being heard, and to be fair they're right, Oregon is very far left and the people in the rural farming areas are left being forced to abide by things like stricter gun control, Transgender bathroom access, drugs being decriminalized, so on and so on. And you could also look at states like New York for the same thing. It really only happens in blue states since a lot of those states are more or less completely dictated by the big cities, and rural areas are left feeling like they have no voice and their vote means nothing. And to be fair, they're right. Northern New York is super deep red, it votes red every since election, but just because of NYC alone the state is deep blue.
I find it fascinating how two people looking at the exact same situation can see two completely different things.
I consider myself politically moderate, and have never been registered with any political party. But over the past ten years or so, I have found myself becoming increasingly aligned with the republican party, because from my perspective, I see them as becoming more moderate, as the democrat party becomes more and more radical.
I'm not trying to argue that I'm right and your wrong, just pointing out what I find interesting.
@@StillLivinginthewoods The hubbub over Trump masks a lot.
what’s baffled me for my whole life is that south Florida doesn’t have a secessionist movement. It’s basically north Cuba, and is completely different from central Florida which is south Kentucky and north Florida which is South Georgia. We are only united by free college tuition ☠️
And florida man memes
Probably because most Latino migrants in Miami are happy to be American and away from their previous dumpster fire nations.
I'm from Idaho. I would support a referendum to redraw all the state borders to cultural and religious lines. We need to make things fair in America again. I totally agree with the concept of perhaps drawing the state borders to be more equal. We've had the same state borders depending on the state you live in for hundreds of years. Even as a conservative myself, I can say this isn't the 1700s anymore, and we have grown as a country, and for the sake of keeping us the UNITED States we need to do what it takes for the Union to survive.
Horrible idea. There are Democrats and Republicans in literally every county in this country. You can't ever please everyone by constantly seceding.
@@nick8243No solution is gonna satisfy everyone, that’s never been how it works. Decisions need to be made in a way that satisfies the majority of people.
@@nick8243well I can’t say Africa or the Middle East looks good in its current state either. Some borders need to be redrawn in the western end of the US as they only currently reflect political decisions instead of cultural and environmental similarities.
I call from southeastern Idaho to join Utah, anything past Twin falls/ Nevada border is Utah
Every country deals with this kind of social and political division, we just dont hear about it from other countries. We only hear how great it is over there, and how bad it is over here in comparison. Saying that the usa is going enter some sort of civil war is silly and only causes more divide and despair, especially to the people who call this country home and try to build up their country and community.
How do you build your own community when the federal government keeps interfering with it? I’d love to build my own community, but if I did, I would be subject to endless regulations on what I have to do, or who I can or can’t let in. I wouldn’t have autonomy over it, ultimately, so it’s not “my own community or country”.
People in the 1860s thought civil war was silly and not possible, you're really not knowing how pissed off some southern states are with the left government Texas has the largest oil mines in the US and a vast of other resources it can sustain itself independently without restrictions from the US federal government on it's resources therefore they will have a better response towards natural disasters, but I highly doubt that the US will let Texas go without a fight. It only takes one to stand up and when the others like minded see that they will follow through, Texas declares secession other states will follow, the reason you see it as silly it's because you like many Americans are deep within the "Bread and Circus" you're too focused on entertainment, movies , and sports because it's all you see on the media and you're blinded by what's going on in your own soil, other countries can see it but somehow people living here can't.
@@starseeker5231You are special and you spout nonsense
@@TheUltimegaMan the USA has pretty lax regulations compared to other countries and believe most of them arent stopping you from "creating your own comunity", we just need to get rid of the ones that might be unecesary and outdated
@@starseeker5231are you American?
The idea that any super majority of people in a area cannot determine their own destiny is antithetical to the principle of democracy and self-governance.
I don't want secession because my enemies don't want secession. My enemies don't want to leave me alone, even if secession happens, and the side that wants to be left alone will always lose to the side that wants to win. Secession screams retreat and will give people the the false sense of it being finally over. Your forefathers did not bled and died for those lands just so you can give it up.
Succession allows for peace and if it doesn't allows you to build for war
This is true. You can’t run forever.
The great thing is you can then give your enemies what they think they want. Hopefully your state is a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment
Thanks For all You do! Never miss a video!
America is a big ass yugoslavia that somehow works. Atleast in my croatian eyes. I allways wondered why havent black people started a rebelion or a civil war. I know the gangs are disorginized but a wish for freedom is a great general.
It helps That our southern brothers speak the same language and not make 10 different variations of it.
@@titanicbigship yeah thats a shit argument since the language was made by both sides. Later on the serbs said its theirs but they cannot read old serbian for some reason. While I can read old croatian.
Because we're not racist like you Balkaners are. What would happen to all the white people in the South if they somehow won? Would it end up causing the white people to rebel again?
When American’s can finally realize that “American” is the imperial title of citizen, kind of like the Roman Empire, and that the country is comprised of 50 minor nations, similar to Iberia, Gaul, Judea, Brittania, Numeria, Greece, Egypt, etc… like the Roman empire, that the nation is comprised of different people’s and different values, that a one size fits all approach is not going to work, then maybe we might actually just get somewhere.
It's not 50, it's closer to 12.
Why do Americans always want to connect the US to the Roman Empire when there is no link whatsoever.
@@not_even_known_yet3167 you do realize that on all currency in the United States is the phrase "E Pluribus Unum" which is Latin for "Out of many, one"
will you losersw stop trying to equate america with stinky dirty latin rome? enough.
@@not_even_known_yet3167 exactly. muricans and their obsession with this latin empire is annoying af
10:45 As a Wyomingite, and I believe Vermonters would concur, any revocation of our sovereignty just because our population hasn't grown at the same rate as other states is even more unfair than the current status quo. Dissolving states is not a good solution.
As a 'vermonter I do agree.
Honestly, I thought your ideas were stupid, but I actually took the time to think about it and realized that you have a great amount of truth in your statements. Im a Pennsylvanian and I'm proud of my state, I'd be sad to see it go, at the same time I realize that maybe we would be better off in the end though.
The reason in my opinions goes back to the leadership within this nation. In a healthy Democracy, the people elect those who represent them. And yes this means people are picking between differing directions and decisions and paths. But whomever is elected into those leadership positions needs to understand that despite not receiving the votes of some, they are elected to represent ALL the people in their district or county or city or state or nation even. Unfortunately, many of these leaders these days lash onto the 50+1 mentality rule and basically ignore those not voting for them. And when you live in areas where one party keeps winning over and over, the people on the other side become frustrated, and angry, and lash our as THEY ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED. They have no voice, no one speaking on their behalf in government. Take California with it's strong blue lean. At the state level those with conservatives' beliefs feel utterly ignored. They can elect their own local representative, but that person has no power within the state government, and the other party makes all the decisions, and they do what they want due to the level of control they have. And the state government doesn't even hide their disdain and refusal to discuss any ideas from the conservative side. They live with the we are the majority we rule mentality. Just like the UK did over the early US and their colonies. And human nature is such that any such mistreatment (yes mistreatment) of one group of people eventually leads to bad results.
I'm taking a page out of Razorfist's book and saying that state level electoral colleges would help alleviate the secessionist pressure. Redrawing borders could work as well but have to done over time.
Dunno, the whole secessionist movement sounds more like some big gerrymandering scheme... only instead of re-drawing county precinct maps, this time it's at the _state_ level.
Wouldn't a Nebraska solution work for NY state? The city gives vote(s) based on its population and the rest of state separately. Or just scrap the majoritarian system altogether.
Also moving state borders wouldn't work long term because in 30 year the political situation might be completely different and moving the borders every time a state is split in half on voting isn't sustainable. 30 years ago both Oregon and Idaho were firmly republican and it's not parties that matter but values and the two parties have switched places on certain matters a few times through history.
As a St. Louis native, any part of Illinois joining Missouri would be completely stupid, for all the reasons you mention and more.
Can you do a video on states that want to succeed from states but remain in the union and how this could work.
Greater Idaho and Greater West Virginia.
California and New York Illinois Partitioning.
Maybe a series doing 1 video per State.
Greater west virginia is impossible to take seriously, its a joke
@@Chance_Rice
Conservative counties wanting representation away from liberal dominated counties bordering DC.
Seems silly to you your a fool.
@@Chance_Rice
Conservative counties wanting representation away from liberal dominated counties bordering DC.
Is a Joke to you your a Fool.
Same logic as new york and Illinois.
@@Chance_Rice
Conservative counties wanting representation away from liberal dominated counties bordering DC.
It isn't talked about like New York or California but Maryland is another state losing population. Like northern Virginia, the state has been colonized by DC. So there is interest in only catering to a few wealthy counties while everyone else gets ignored, along with an overreacting government. The grief isn't just in the western counties. The peninsula also gets ignored. I support the western counties leaving. Though it is coming up against a large machine like Long Island.
I sort of wish there was a website where you could see Monsieur Z's redrawn borders in detail so that you could learn more about each region without having to watch the video
Plus it would be kind of cool to just stare at if you're a geography nerd
Return the federal government to its intended size and power. Let states run as they were supposed to run. Make the 10th amendment great again.
How about the country just fully federalize and stop treating it's own subdivisions as if they were autonomous regions
Because they're bored & want to see something major happen where they're affected in a positive way. That's why they want to secede
The better option is to simply create city states that don’t have authority over rural jurisdictions, but still have federal representation.
I don't understand how quite literally dividing the country based on ideology is supposed to help fix a country that is increasingly divided by ideology.
Your point about americans having different sub-cultures is valid, but that applies to most nations. However, I believe that this just proves your point further, representation IS important.
I'm not American Im a southerner and a proud Mississippian anyone above the mason Dixon line is not my kin as far as I'm concerned
Great! I have no use for Mississippi, either.
Glad to see you value traitors over your own countrymen
@@harrietharlow9929 well make sure you don't come across the line either we southerners don't want you Yankees either so be it Virginia Mississippi or Florida stay out the south you damn Yankee
Personally i think making the borders natural boundaries or the regional watershed they share makes the most sense. However, including culture in that factor is a good idea as well since it is important to unity.
It would be helpful to show the US map with lines for existing states and your proposed states at the same time, with lines that are a different size and color for the existing.
Honestly I’m surprised more liberal Oregonians don’t support the greater Idaho movement. If anything, it would benefit them the most and Idaho the least. Oregon’s coast essentially subsidizes the interior, plus it would give their House of Representatives a democratic supermajority.
I am a Californian of dutch ancestry. I am also comservative. Yet i have nothing in common with conservatives of the south. I know this because a lot of the white people in my little town are of southern ancestey and i have NOTHING in common woth them except speakimg English.
All to often people in vast areas of the country have found that the “power centers” are deaf to their concerns and they want to secede from those places so that they can either join with others who may be amenable to their interests or form a new government.
This isn’t hard to understand and it’s absolutely true. Ten of the 25 wealthiest counties in the country are in the D.C. suburbs. Power centers enrich themselves and seem to either not understand or not care about the concerns of the hinterlands.
I’m not the biggest fan of Donald Trump, but he recognized that a large part of the population did not feel that either party (at least not the “party insiders) were taking their concerns seriously. Say what you will about Trump, but he at least pretends to care about those people and their concerns.
Coming from southern Illinois, the running joke to fix Illinois was to dig a ditch around Chicago and let it float off into Lake Michigan or sell it to Canada
Otherwise, state parties should be changed to more accurately reflect that state's politics. In States Like Oregon or Nebraska its basically a one party state and the opposition party won't ever accomplish anything. But if the Republican and democratic parties in these states collapsed, two new parties could form and they could be more competitive by ceding ground on some areas and focusing the discussion on other areas that the national democratic/republican parties wouldn't do.
Buddy - welcome to EVERY STATE IN AMERICA. I'm from Pittsburgh - take away Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Pennsylvania suddenly looks, acts and shamelessly behaves like Kentucky.
The answer is city states. Allow X amount of cities to become city states. This will allow vastly different cultures and voting blocks to succeed or fail with their own policies without imposing their ideologies on the rest of the state.
We were essentially the same people when I was born, once mass third world immigration began it was over.
You should do a video ranking each state by how close their borders are to what they should be, because I notice my state (Iowa for life), is nearly the same even by your map.
@6:23 I Pledge allegiance to the united states of Cthulhu. One nation, under madness, with chaos and anarchy for all.
Cthulhu only swims to the left
"The empire long united must divide and long divided must unite this is how it has always been"
-Luo Guanzhong
A powerful Nation/Empire breaking apart is just history repeating itself.
USA more and more starts to resemble HRE lol
The holy American empire
We are GAE, the Global American Empire, we pump out culture and the rest of the world imbibes it, whether it’s beneficial for them or not.
The HRE had free internal diplomacy and it's states an incredible amount of autonomy
America would literally be better off if it was more like the HRE
Something that lasted a thousand years?
@@SeruraRenge11
Thousand year repbilc
Succession isn't enough. War is the only option.
What a very clowny answer.
@@MonsieurDean this dumb video encourages that line of thinking. You spent the first eight or so minutes validating these kinds of people.
@@de132 Don't be a fool. I came to this conclusion over years of not wanting it to be true. Only until I was left with no other rational conclusion did I accept it.
@@Clown_the_Clownthe fact you want to kill and the destroy the side you don’t agree is asinine way of thinking
I'm from Oregon, and strongly advocate the following:
1.) Greater Idaho - The version that gives Idaho coastal access at Coos Bay, which is just about the shittiest place in the NW, but entirely due to Oregon's leftist environmental regulations that leave it impoverished. Coos Bay, if allowed to develop, would become a major port city like Seattle or San Francisco, minus their obvious silliness. It would also bankrupt the Port of Portland, as why would any ship take an extra full day to go up the Columbia River to Portland, when they could make a quick stop in Coos Bay, and then proceed North to ports in Puget Sound, or South to San Francisco Bay? Coos Bay is the only deepwater port between these two other locations. Additionally, parts of Eastern Washington should join as well, especially SE Washington, such as the Tri Cities, but not including Spokane.
Though this seems unlikely now, if current trends continue, it is inevitable.
2.) Annexation of Vancouver Island - Because Canada can eat shit.
3.) Splitting Washington at the Olympic Peninsula - The Olympic Peninsula is geographically distinct from the rest of Washington and has a lot of traits that make it different from the more urban areas of Seattle, Tacoma, and even Spokane. This would become a new swing state, but could be skewed right or left depending on where the exact lines are drawn, such as whether or not Olympia is included, or how far South to cut it.
I am all for this
This would be awesome, i'm wanting to move to Oregon but the parts i'm thinking of aren't in the proposed Greater Idaho line, which sucks, not that not gonna move if it doesn't happen, but it'd certainly make it even better.
Greater Idaho is a horrible idea. Idaho has shit infrastructure and roads that need to be replaced number one: and giving it more land would just add on to that problem.
Two, marijuana is illegal in all of Idaho. Both recreationally and somewhat medically.
3, the minimum wage would change for the worst, despite ideological differences it would absolutely turn eastern Oregon into a shithole. Idaho definitely doesn’t need a coast line.
Vancouver Island? That was settled well over 100 years ago. It would trash the relationship and alliance with not only Canada, but also the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. Not worth it.
YESS! WESTERN WASHINGTON CAN FUCK SEATTLE! YEESSSS
I find it so funny that Monsieur Z actually has sponsors.
Love your content z! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤
I'm originally from New Orleans and I've lived in Houston for years. In both places I can tell you that most people feel like they have no representation in state or federal government, that state government is hostile towards local interests and concerns, and that they're subsidizing distant parts of the state while having their own needs neglected and ignored. Texas needs to be broken up into five states at this point, and Louisiana might need to be split into two or three. The current borders just don't work or make sense anymore.
The big division is between urban and rural populations and it exists in every country throughout time. It’s just right now Urban and Rural cultures are especially divergent. I usually takes some time for rural culture to catch up.
I think you have misunderstood something very important here. Because the issue the Anglo countries currently face is that rural populations have become vehemently opposed to "catching up" to urban culture, because they see it as unhealthy, degenerate and insane (not just as a little bit weird and arrogant as was the perception before for half a century). The perception has shifted from "not for me and my neighborhood, but you do you" to "stay away from my kids or I'm considering violence". And that is a divide that will not be cured by time (until the cities collapse on themselves).
We don’t want to “catch up!”
@@thermionic1234567 You will. It has happened since 4000BC when the 1st cites were made. All progress comes from the cities for 6000 years. If you won’t your kids and grandkids will long after youre gone. It always happens that way.
"Catch up"
Thanks for displaying the source of the divide so perfectly.
We are NOT behind you people to begin with!
Life in rural America is better in every measurable way.
@@Runenschuppe Exactly!
US cities have become complete and total cesspools in the 21st century.
My wife and I were both born and raised in one of the biggest cities in the country, and getting out before our kids started school was the best decision EVER.
In southeastern Ohio
a lot of talk is the Columbus government doesn’t care about us
We are ignored as a region
you are missing a vital aspect of all this.
two cultures can coincide just fine if their core values are the same. it doesnt matter how different they act or speak, so long as they both have the same fundamental beliefs.
what I mean by this is that they both must lie relatively near each other on the political spectrum, as an authoritarian slave culture cannot coincide with a conservative or libertarian self reliance culture, and they both must hold similar moral values on top of that, as there can be vast differences in authoritarianism and even the opposite side can fight when it comes to the matter of the self violation of rights.
if both of these are close enough to each other, then those two cultures can coincide perfectly, and actually will likely merge together. these are the key aspects that divide cultures in the first place, what divide people, and you cant properly talk about something like this without understanding that.
This was what I was touching on in a comment on the last video. Heavy granularization as depicted would in my opinion exacerbate the division we're experiencing. Homogeneity doesn't have to be the goal, unity will suffice.
something funny i think and is somewhat related to this is how i, a non-american, could see america was not really united, but an american was trynna convince me it was united cause everyone in america is american, little did they know that there is many reasons people might wanna secede
You know, I legitimately think that Latin America might have probably the best borders in the world, each country roughly contain its own culture and the geography that separates each border means that each homeland is actually well defined and actually represented in its geography. Like you can look at Ecuador and see how well nestled it is or how natural the border between Argentina and Chile is
I mean, no wonder that it's genuinely the most peaceful continent on earth with barely any conflict in the last 150 years.
I think that Latin America is the perfect example for Utahism that you might use, they are also different people born from the same past sharing the same language (arguably, they are more similar to one another than most US cultures are since they are almosg all Catholic) yet as I've highlighted, they still grew different cultures that have borders defining each culture and protecting it so that they all have their own polity to represent them. If that happens to South America, there's no reason to assume North America has a single monolithic culture either.
As an outsider, I actively cheer your initiative, and thank you for opening my eyes to it as I probably wouldn't have noticed all of that on my own
Yes, Latin America is very peacefull. No civil wars, drug cartels, no mass emigration of people trying for a better life somewhere else. Somewhere to the north.
@@kevincousino2276Yeah. Not like the United States’ intervention had ANYTHING to do with that… right?
@@socire72 what are you talking about, latin america is a peacefull utopia. Did the US cause that?
@kevincousino2276 I'm talking about INTER STATE WARS
thought context was enough since I was talking explicitly about externa borders, but it seems everything needs to be spelled directly here.
In the entire 20th Century there barely were any single wars between two Latin American countries, as far as I'm aware, all of which were in the Caribbean and Central America not South America (might be wrong I might have missed one but I don't see any) and even in the 19th century, past the initial post colonial chaos, there has been very few wars as well
These countries have issues, but war between one another isn't one of them.
As someone from the Latin World we don't have the best borders throughout the 19th and 20th century wars were fought over land, and there's still disputes between us to this day. Also "most peaceful continent" really, half of the countries here half been turned into narco states; The massive hyper power that dominates the western hemisphere is the reason why we don't declare war on each other if Venezuela tried to invade Guyana they would be obliterated by whatever the US decides to do with them. We had countries like the US but they collapsed either because of geography or corruption from the state, we can be pretty culturally cohesive its why the term "Latin America" exists. Americans are like the most cultural cohesive group in the world they don't have an official religion, they all speak basic English they engage in the same media and share the same common culture. Someone from Texas has more things in common with someone from California then a Columbian and a Peruvian have in common.
I still don't fully understand what would be so bad about dividing some states to make 60 states
Nothing besides NIMBYs complaining as usual
Europe also had stupid borders. The city i live in was cut in half and divided. And we fought with the belgians for independance, and were forced to join the netherlands.
We still never got Karjala back, and probably never will within even the lifetime of my grandchildren. Families torn apart by an invasion.
Upstate New Yorker here, and I want nothing to do with New York City.
Honestly, you can fix the election system. And let in different political parties.
I really think the idea of Utahism id hampered by the hydra-esque mascot
Texas Secessionists: "Texan Independence! States' Rights! Long live the Texas Republic! RAWR!"
Texas Secessionists After a Natural Disaster: "Pwetty pwease, can I has FEMA money? UwU"
🤣
Very true lmao. Every day I thank God I'm not born in Texas
I take your point, but there are a few differences.
Cities were especially-important during the Industrial Revolution when it was necessary to centralize production and house labor. And before then, urbanization took place in relatively-homogeneous places.
Intellectual discourse was facilitated by proximity and has sped up immeasurably because of the internet.
My wife and I are from NYC and Washington, DC respectively.
NYC and DC were hell holes during COVID and NYC seems on a permanent decline whereas DC has certainly gotten better (partly because it has finally recovered from the devastation of the 1968 riots).
We are now in the country and not far from two small university cities that offer a great deal of culture.
Dining around here is challenging, but since my wife was diagnosed with hypertension, we’ve agreed that eating out is less important as sodium control is virtually impossible.
We both work from home and as someone on the periphery of the music industry who is deeply interested in the creative process and the decline of the music industry over the last twenty years or so, I can see that a decline in the cities could be an issue. What if there was no Liverpoool?
That said, a lot of good alternative music has come from university towns.
Random thoughts for sure…
That's just classic US politics for you
We could fix all of this if we got rid of past the post voting and switch to proportional voting. But the two party system would fall apart if that happened and they don’t want to get rid of their power.
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>not wearing a Sneed’s Feed and Seed hat
Ngmi
If counties can break away from states? Why can’t states break away from the union again?
Why does Vermont or Wyoming need at least 1 million residents? I think the smaller the population the better because it allows for each individual to have a greater share of representation in their state government and a more culturally aligned population when it comes to values/traditions, voting/ballot proposals, and enactment/enforcement of laws that align with the entire population as opposed to denser more populated cities.
We all speak the same language English? In NYC, English is a second language, if spoken at all.
You sure about that? I live near NYC and I still see people speak English there.
Western MD wants to join WV.
The western counties in Virginia have been suggesting the same thing. It doesn't make any sense. Why would those counties, which are in rich states, want to leave that rich state to join a poor one? It also doesn't make sense for West Virginia, which would be adding more poor counties to the poor counties they already have. I don't see a benefit here.
We don't want them, we already have enough poor counties to deal with.
y’all gonna start begging for those tax dollars from md back 😂
I like how you separated Saint Louis. It is definitely unique culturally for where it is located.
The United States should adopt a system similar to the HRE. Free cities and regions independent of state rule that decide for themselves without deciding for the rest of the state. This would solve many of the issues we face without a reorganization of state boundaries.
...and what happened to the HRE?
@@MP-dn4bs Wouldn't be my problem when it happens. If I have no kids then I don't give a damn about the future.
@@MP-dn4bs Dismantled by a foreign power, specifically France
Quebec person named napoleon
"My time has come"
@@doomexe ends with your house being its own country, and your literal neighbors invading you. too many people think the status quo is like the worst possible thing that could happen to them imaginable
I think these separatists make up a vocal minority. I've never seen a Texan or Californian personally who wanted their state to leave the country
Current data suggests that The Separatists are a vocal plurality. Apparently 45 percent of Texans want to secede. While people are silent, these are worrying statistics, and can be used by foreign powers to weaken America and The states The USA inhabits.
UTAH! Represent!!! 🎉