Good review, although your cameraman moved away from the TH-cam screen on the right when the TH-cam video began to lag and freeze up. I am running a Pi5 8GB ram (not overclocked) with Raspberry OS (Bookworm), 2 screens and I right now have 12 apps open shared across both screens and 4 of them are Netflix, Disney Plus, Stan, TH-cam Live Movies, all 4 individual instances of Chromium, all running at once, all playing movies in 1080p, without lag issues or freezing (except for TH-cam, It's still freezing a bit) and ram is topped out at 2681 MB of 8060 MB. If you really want to check performance, use an OS like Ubuntu for armh64. The extra ram may improve performance in the Ubuntu OS, as it is designed to run on systems with more ram(exp while gaming).
Leaving the install failure of GIMP was a funny moment. If you are going to install a game, it really should be WZ2100. It's a PS1 game that was open sourced and would run GREAT on a Raspberry Pi 5 even with x86box.
The concept of using the Pi as a desktop replacement does not make any sense now. You can get used office desktops that comes with an ssd and ram at the same price as a full Pi rig will cost. Then if you want a new system you can just go with the Mini-pcs, that are the same price, or slightly more expensive. Also these systems run windows 11....
The best benefit for me is the extremely low power draw compared to those desktops. You will for sure save money on electricity. Not to mention more room on your desk.
why would i want something that runs the windows malware os. yes the pi 5 16gb is dumb and a n100 pc is loads faster i just dont want to pay for an OS that im going to uninstall as soon as i unbox it, windows 11 is the big waste of money here.
@@starlightdragon6862 When you buy used office computers i do not really think that you are paying for windows. You might be paying 40 dollars for the whole system, a standalone windows license is +100 dollars. My main point really was that back in the day, if you had an old office desktop you could try to put a lightweight linux OS/window manager to make the old slow system run reasonably fast. Now old office desktops, +12-years old.. As long as they run from an ssd runs windows perfectly fast and fine.
Yeah, it's a stupid use case. It's simply not meant to be your do-it-all daily use PC. That's just not what a Pi is. They are specialized, efficient, low power/temp tech, made for more focused usage. Yeah, I mean... I guess if you had these laying around for some reason, and didn't have a desktop/laptop, and NEEDED a PC, then it would do the job and be perfectly acceptable for simple/basic use for most things. But I can't understand what type of person would go out and buy one, along with all the peripherals, and build the PC, set up the software, get an OS going, install all the programs, and just use it every day as a desktop, and PRIMARY PC.
Yeah, it's a stupid use case. It's simply not meant to be your do-it-all daily use PC. That's just not what a Pi is. They are specialized, efficient, low power/temp tech, made for more focused usage. Yeah, I mean... I guess if you had these laying around for some reason, and didn't have a desktop/laptop, and NEEDED a PC, then it would do the job and be perfectly acceptable for simple/basic use for most things. But I can't understand what type of person would go out and buy one, along with all the peripherals, and build the PC, set up the software, get an OS going, install all the programs, and just use it every day as a desktop, and PRIMARY PC. Even like an N100 or "USB stick style" mini PC, I don't know anybody who even actually uses those things which are MEANT as desktop PCs. Most people would just buy like a $100-$200 netbook. Not to mention, most people who could have their needs serves by a Pi 5 and with such a low budget, likely wouldn't even know how to build/set it up.
It's slower than the slowest PC you can buy today. I'm not clear why you'd pick this over a slightly more expensive but more powerful solution. The difference in power consumption between a PI and an N100 PC is probably $15-20 per year.
Maybe now I can smoothly run psp and n64 emulation. I wanted a tablet that would run psp and n64 games smoothly without modifications and the best solution was samsungs, but they were expensive and now there is a chance for a portable AIO on raspberry pi.
Too bad the GPU isn't slightly better. For $120, I'd expect just a tad better. CPU performance is alright for what it is, but I feel the GPU is a bit underwhelming for the overall package and price
I run Local AI LLMs on a Pi 5 8GB Ramon Kali Linux instead of Pi OS, running my AI in Open Web UI (in Docker Desktop), cli, Follamac, and GPT4All offline and it runs Llama 3.2 7 Billion parameter model size LLMs fine, even Llava image analysis and with the M2 Hat and AI Hailo Neural Processor, also vision AI for camera AI vision training projects, So the 16 GB will run even larger models, ,meaning, to use thus for game emulation is overkill, as it is as capable as a macbook pro of running local AI, never mind retro gaming
Pi5 is too slow. Better off with some N100/N150 Intel PC if you don't mind buying a low end PC. You can buy fully decked out used powerful older workstations for not much more than a fully decked out PI5 with 16 gb.
@@parseval6162 A PI5 has a 25 watt power cube so, it tops out at 25 but normally is less. An N100 PC is probably in the 35-45 watt range. The same it's not always 45 watts. The difference in power consumption if you compare both running full power, 24x7 is maybe $10 a year. At least at the cost of electrical power where I am. People don't seem to understand how cheaply these PC's can run. Even my file server only consumes 65 watts and it's much more powerful than the N100 or PI5. 65 watts is like $100 a year.
All you showed can be done better, even using Linux, on 8 years OLD working laptop which somebody wants to throw-away to avoid driving to a recycling center or a brand-new Laptop for half the price of getting the Pi and all needed additional components and attachments. If it helps your Masochism.. that's different story.
@@AsciiWolf As long as you and MicroCenter make sales and commissions by misleading customers does it matter? Thanks for worrying over few cents cost for power usage!
I don't think it's dead, just in pushing the memory to 16Gb, they've exceeded the price point whereby loads of users, including myself who nearly hit buy this morning reflect, decide against in favour or a mini PC instead, be that something like an N100 or N150 machine, or like the refurb Dell 3060 I bought that is upgradeable. Love the Pi ecosystem, but think they've kind of lost their edge, and need to give us something more when the Pi 6 eventually appears, otherwise it will go downhill unfortunately. The price of increasing performance and functionality, and maintaining costs at acceptable levels is looking like it's plateaued.
@@stephenvalente3296 I don't think they are getting worse, just that everything else is getting cheaper, for the same price point, you have options now, you can choose "what" to compromise. e.g. you want computing powers, then N97 is your friend. you want easy Linux out of the box (not everyone picks things up fast), then Pi5. you want to run things peak under 10W, for your motion detecting machine gun, then Pi is still your best friends.
Just great. I just bought a 8GB pi 5 a couple of weeks ago.
My condolences
me too
Great video!
Thanks for the great review, I understand Pi have also just released an update on how it handles the memory to so happy creating in CAD
Figured you’d install bambu studio on it and demonstrate the printer next to it
he should
How well would it run nas. like modded Minecraft server, multiple user picture backup. Plex
They run wonderful as little servers. besides being great little dev machines. I have one as a Nas server and another as minecraft server
@ but now that Theres a 16gb version can it run everything on one device like a Minecraft server with mods and as a nas for multiple user backup
What is the brand of speakers that you have in that setup?
Good review, although your cameraman moved away from the TH-cam screen on the right when the TH-cam video began to lag and freeze up.
I am running a Pi5 8GB ram (not overclocked) with Raspberry OS (Bookworm), 2 screens and I right now have 12 apps open shared across both screens and 4 of them are Netflix, Disney Plus, Stan, TH-cam Live Movies, all 4 individual instances of Chromium, all running at once, all playing movies in 1080p, without lag issues or freezing (except for TH-cam, It's still freezing a bit) and ram is topped out at 2681 MB of 8060 MB.
If you really want to check performance, use an OS like Ubuntu for armh64. The extra ram may improve performance in the Ubuntu OS, as it is designed to run on systems with more ram(exp while gaming).
isn't TH-cam's lagging issues related to ambient mode?...I believe I saw some people talking about it somewhere...
Maybe I'm wrong tho...
yep. that TH-cam video was dropping a lot of frames the entire time it was playing. lol reminds me of 2005 era computers.
Leaving the install failure of GIMP was a funny moment. If you are going to install a game, it really should be WZ2100. It's a PS1 game that was open sourced and would run GREAT on a Raspberry Pi 5 even with x86box.
Any plans on a phoenix store? We are in a tech desert out here after Fry's went under
Welcome to the rest of the country.
The concept of using the Pi as a desktop replacement does not make any sense now. You can get used office desktops that comes with an ssd and ram at the same price as a full Pi rig will cost. Then if you want a new system you can just go with the Mini-pcs, that are the same price, or slightly more expensive. Also these systems run windows 11....
The best benefit for me is the extremely low power draw compared to those desktops. You will for sure save money on electricity. Not to mention more room on your desk.
why would i want something that runs the windows malware os. yes the pi 5 16gb is dumb and a n100 pc is loads faster i just dont want to pay for an OS that im going to uninstall as soon as i unbox it, windows 11 is the big waste of money here.
@@starlightdragon6862 When you buy used office computers i do not really think that you are paying for windows. You might be paying 40 dollars for the whole system, a standalone windows license is +100 dollars.
My main point really was that back in the day, if you had an old office desktop you could try to put a lightweight linux OS/window manager to make the old slow system run reasonably fast.
Now old office desktops, +12-years old.. As long as they run from an ssd runs windows perfectly fast and fine.
Yeah, it's a stupid use case. It's simply not meant to be your do-it-all daily use PC. That's just not what a Pi is. They are specialized, efficient, low power/temp tech, made for more focused usage. Yeah, I mean... I guess if you had these laying around for some reason, and didn't have a desktop/laptop, and NEEDED a PC, then it would do the job and be perfectly acceptable for simple/basic use for most things. But I can't understand what type of person would go out and buy one, along with all the peripherals, and build the PC, set up the software, get an OS going, install all the programs, and just use it every day as a desktop, and PRIMARY PC.
Yeah, it's a stupid use case. It's simply not meant to be your do-it-all daily use PC. That's just not what a Pi is. They are specialized, efficient, low power/temp tech, made for more focused usage. Yeah, I mean... I guess if you had these laying around for some reason, and didn't have a desktop/laptop, and NEEDED a PC, then it would do the job and be perfectly acceptable for simple/basic use for most things. But I can't understand what type of person would go out and buy one, along with all the peripherals, and build the PC, set up the software, get an OS going, install all the programs, and just use it every day as a desktop, and PRIMARY PC. Even like an N100 or "USB stick style" mini PC, I don't know anybody who even actually uses those things which are MEANT as desktop PCs. Most people would just buy like a $100-$200 netbook. Not to mention, most people who could have their needs serves by a Pi 5 and with such a low budget, likely wouldn't even know how to build/set it up.
From what I'm reading, it will run Blender, which has pretty much made my mind up. Need one.
It's slower than the slowest PC you can buy today. I'm not clear why you'd pick this over a slightly more expensive but more powerful solution. The difference in power consumption between a PI and an N100 PC is probably $15-20 per year.
@@quademasters249 could just buy a cheap sub
Maybe now I can smoothly run psp and n64 emulation. I wanted a tablet that would run psp and n64 games smoothly without modifications and the best solution was samsungs, but they were expensive and now there is a chance for a portable AIO on raspberry pi.
Will raspberry Pi compute module 5 also come out
already out and already sold out lol
@HATipsByLarry my mean that is there will also 16gb varient in compute module 5
@@SachinKumar-cl7xm yep 16gig memory CM5 already sold out everywhere lol i have the CM5 dev kit and loving it 😀
@@HATipsByLarry ohhh thanks
I want one
Don't be daft, just enjoy for what it is and experiment and make and invent
I've ordered one
Too bad the GPU isn't slightly better. For $120, I'd expect just a tad better. CPU performance is alright for what it is, but I feel the GPU is a bit underwhelming for the overall package and price
I run Local AI LLMs on a Pi 5 8GB Ramon Kali Linux instead of Pi OS, running my AI in Open Web UI (in Docker Desktop), cli, Follamac, and GPT4All offline and it runs Llama 3.2 7 Billion parameter model size LLMs fine, even Llava image analysis and with the M2 Hat and AI Hailo Neural Processor, also vision AI for camera AI vision training projects, So the 16 GB will run even larger models, ,meaning, to use thus for game emulation is overkill, as it is as capable as a macbook pro of running local AI, never mind retro gaming
Jetson Orin super
Pi5 is too slow. Better off with some N100/N150 Intel PC if you don't mind buying a low end PC. You can buy fully decked out used powerful older workstations for not much more than a fully decked out PI5 with 16 gb.
What about power consumption?
@@parseval6162 A PI5 has a 25 watt power cube so, it tops out at 25 but normally is less. An N100 PC is probably in the 35-45 watt range. The same it's not always 45 watts.
The difference in power consumption if you compare both running full power, 24x7 is maybe $10 a year. At least at the cost of electrical power where I am.
People don't seem to understand how cheaply these PC's can run. Even my file server only consumes 65 watts and it's much more powerful than the N100 or PI5.
65 watts is like $100 a year.
All you showed can be done better, even using Linux, on 8 years OLD working laptop which somebody wants to throw-away to avoid driving to a recycling center or a brand-new Laptop for half the price of getting the Pi and all needed additional components and attachments. If it helps your Masochism.. that's different story.
Will the 8 years old laptop be as energy efficient as a Raspberry Pi? Not to mention its size.
@@AsciiWolf As long as you and MicroCenter make sales and commissions by misleading customers does it matter? Thanks for worrying over few cents cost for power usage!
no not fast enough.
No. They should never be a PC.
pointless
Buy a refurbished mini pc instead. Pi is dead.
I don't think it's dead, just in pushing the memory to 16Gb, they've exceeded the price point whereby loads of users, including myself who nearly hit buy this morning reflect, decide against in favour or a mini PC instead, be that something like an N100 or N150 machine, or like the refurb Dell 3060 I bought that is upgradeable.
Love the Pi ecosystem, but think they've kind of lost their edge, and need to give us something more when the Pi 6 eventually appears, otherwise it will go downhill unfortunately. The price of increasing performance and functionality, and maintaining costs at acceptable levels is looking like it's plateaued.
How many aarch64 mini PCs are there? Not everyone wants x86.
@@stephenvalente3296 I don't think they are getting worse, just that everything else is getting cheaper, for the same price point, you have options now, you can choose "what" to compromise.
e.g. you want computing powers, then N97 is your friend. you want easy Linux out of the box (not everyone picks things up fast), then Pi5. you want to run things peak under 10W, for your motion detecting machine gun, then Pi is still your best friends.