Seiko SPB455, SPB453, SPB451 - perfecting the formula?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- It’s often said that evolution can be better than revolution, but I don’t think many people could have predicted Seiko to make a move like this. It was only four years ago that Seiko released their SPB143 and variants to immediate success, basing the design on the original Seiko dive watch from 1965. Now, this new line of SPB watches has rendered them effectively redundant, tweaking the design in subtle ways to retrain its character but improve its performance. Seiko have definitely taken some risks, and time will tell if they pay off.
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Brand - Seiko
Model - Prospex 1965 Heritage Diver’s Watch
Reference Number - SPB455, SPB453, SPB451
Case Dimensions - 40mm (D) x 13mm (T) x 46.4mm (LTL)
Case Material - Stainless steel
Water Resistance - 300 metres
Crystal(s) - Sapphire
Dial - Blue, black or grey and gilt
Strap - Stainless steel bracelet, folding clasp; additional recycled ocean plastic fabric strap (SPB455 only)
Movement - 6R55, in-house, automatic
Power Reserve - 72 hours
Functions - Hours, minutes, seconds, date
Availability - Available now
Price - A$1,995, US$1,300 (SPB453, SPB451), A$2,350, US$1,400 (SPB455)
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I’m totally okay with the date. I prefer it, even find it charming, like a unique quirk. But I want a great on the fly adjustment clasp if they are hiking the price up and up without tightening the accuracy tolerances.
That would make the watch seriously compelling
Seiko doesn’t listen to its customers, if they did, they would regulate their movements, sign the crown and improve their quality control
😂 are you sure they didn’t want an unnecessary update release with a 4.30 date and 3 days on the dial?
They do listen and did all three of those things with the SLA 043. It'll cost you though.... 😃
Nice looking watches and you generally can't go wrong with Seikos, just wished you had a shot of that other strap on the wrist 😎
Great work as always, Marcus
I think these look great. Great review Marcus.
Your videoshop is so enjoying I just wanna see the watch
Would you be able to comment on the reflection of the crystal in comparison to the older models (e.g., spb143)? Thanks!
Nice video! Btw can this new bracelet be fitted on spb143?
Looks good I would still prefer the sunburst dial. Also think the price is out there for what it is
Love this chanel
Ive owned 2 SPB143.s and never had a problem with the movement only loosing a few seconds a day, the dimensions on these watches look perfect and I can’t wait to see them in the flesh 😍
I've got the sbp 293 save the ocean with the blue birch dial, beautiful watch terrible movement mine gains around+30seconds a day in the box and around half that on the wrist,can see the455 in my collection 😁👍
It’s a must the dimensions are perfect and they all look stunning with probably the 455 the pic of the bunch 😍
I have an SPB 313 and it's extremely accurate. Running at +2 seconds a day.
I prefer the SPB143. It's a classic.
I still want one.
i think there’s some improvements but I much prefer my 143’s sunray grey dial and brushed bezel and 3:00 date. I also own the sje093 which I love but doesn’t replace my 143. I’m even more grateful I have one now that they’re being replaced.
I don’t know if these are available in the USA yet.
What size is your wrist for reference?
I choose SPB453, it is worth owning and handsome
Are those prices correct? How does $100 US extra for the special edition equal $350 AU extra??
2:12 SPB 543 ? guess this is a mistake?
what colour looks best in person?
What's the song?
hate 6r movement, but im going to make an exception and get this, gonna take a look at black or blue in person before making the decision
My experience with 6R’s has been good, I’ve had 6R15, 6R35, and 6R54 and no issues. I’ve had more issues with SW200’s
I wonder why the gilt and the blue ones have black date window and not the same color as the dial. Imagine a no date version, that would bring this one to (almost) Tudor level.
the blue is my, but i will will see the special when i choice
The black and gold is really nice.
I'll say this again and again...Seiko needs to fire whoever designs their bracelets and clasps.
This bracelet is better but the clasp looks cheap.
Actually more
Disappointed that the current update of the MarineMaster only has 200m of water resistance when compared to these models.
Do you want to dive that deep ? This is ridiculous
The 3 days text is an absolute turkey 🦃 would have massively preferred they stuck with the 6R35 and kept that neat pyramid of text under the pinion
The 3 days text bashing is getting annoying, basically every new single mid tier Prospex and Presage will have the text, we have to get over it , it is not worst than the original text Dialshock 24 jewels
These upgrades are amazing and the watches look even better proportioned than their predecessors. How glossy/shiny would you say the 455 gilt is in person? Is it comparable to the SPB147 in terms of looks?
how much
It’s nice but in Australia it’s the best part of 2.5k.
Is the misaligned bezel part of what makes the special edition “special”?
Aluminium bezel insert ? I heard the bezel is in carbon titanium... which is much more durable than aluminium...
Overall very nice. BUT, I won't own another Seiko Prospex until they update their clasp and get rid of that damn diver extension and replace it with one that looks, functions, and wears a lot better and looks worthy to be on a premium $1k
I want to like seiko watches, but the bracelets and clasp like you mentioned just ruin it for me. Idk how I feel about an aluminum bezel as well. Overall very nice, but don’t think I’ll be spending my money with seikos watches until the clasps and bracelets get updated
@@josephcastillo6742 regarding the bezel. I personally like an aluminum or steel bezel over ceramic. I know less scratch proof. I would say they are not necessarily less durable. Ceramic can crack where as metal may get dented, but it should still hold. In either scenarios, if watch bezel insert takes hard enough impact to crack the ceramic or dent a metal one, it won't be a good thing. But, the finish of a metal insert looks better to me, too.
Well said!! They make the worst bracelets and clasps yet charge $1400!! Then they’ll put this clasp on their Grand Seiko and charge $10K!! Lol 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@dukes70 microbrands give you so much for your money. It’s kind of hard to go the seiko route. Seikos do have some of the most beautiful dials though
is there a cheaper alternative to this style ? Under 500 dollar. From Seiko 5 series perhaps ?
There will be SRPK99K1 soon. There are SRPD51K1, SRPD55K1, SRPD57K1, SRPD65K1. But to be honest, nothing is close enough, as those are seiko 5s, with different braclet, different finishing, different movement. They are not 62mas remakes. Usually these are sold with 4r36 (day+ date). 4r36's accuracy is -35/+45 seconds per day, hovewer they are more accurate. PR is 41 hours, wr is only 100m. 6r55 is -15/+25 seconds per day, with 72 hours power reserve. You might want try spb147J1, cheaper than new 62mas versions. With 6r35 movement.
@@szurrogatum Thank you for your advice. I'm curious too about the Orient Kamasu and Ray watches. How do they stand up against the Seiko 5's ?
@@tebetmania Seiko 5s are not real diver watches, I would say they are diver style watches. Orient Kamasu/Mako are better as diver watches. Seiko 5 has usually 100m water resistance, Kamasu has 200m. Kamasu has sapphire, that is much better. The movemenet is F6922, with ~40 hours power reserve, accuracy is -15/+25 seconds/ day. Bezel is good compared to its price, finishing is good compared to price, movement is good compared to price, sapphire is a huge advantage. Screw down crown. The bracelet can be the the issue, but probably better than seiko 5s entry level bracelets. I would chose Orient Kamasu over Seiko 5. But I wouldn't say they look like 62Mas. Kamasu has day and date, the hands are different, and of course the finishing is also different etc. etc.. Orient Kamasu is a good, cheaper, entry level diver. In most of the cases better than Seiko 5. Try one newer version with sapphire crystal, you get good value for your money. (There were a lot of Mako versions in the past)
But never forget these are automatic watches. If you don't have an automatic watch there are things you need to consider. The accuracy of a quartz watch is better, you can put down a quartz for days and they won't stop. Usually automatic watches are thicker, especially divers.
I beleive there are two options: you can buy an Orient, or you save money and buy a more expensive watch. There are microbrands out there (Christopher Ward, Baltic), there are the Seiko prospex watches, there are Seiko turtle or Samurai watches (look different, the case style is different than 62MAS). And there are brands like Certina or Mido.
In the Orient Kamasu price range Kamasu is a very good watch or can be the best.
I tend to dislike the 4:30 date window particularly because the numbers arent aligned with the wearer's eye and if the shape of the window matches the indicies it's pretty awful. Having it like this or like B&R do it is as good as it gets.
For me it ruins the watch. I wouldn't wear this watch even if given to me for free because the 4.30 date window is so horrible
@@TheAlbert12397 Fair enough. There's a lot of choices to be had. Personally I'm not in the market for more divers so that's why I'm out. I could still understand someone liking this.
I seriously hope that it’s a 120 click bezel and the offset (read: misaligned) pip on the 455 shot at 2:46 is just one click offset and not the real watch as it shipped…
It is. Reviewers "misalign" them to get hits and comments
Hey Seiko!!! It’s a dive watch we don’t need a date.
this
Yes we do.
What if you needed to sign a contract underwater ?
Looks like a Tudor Watch.
you’re literally my comfort person i love you #nkuwan !
seiko black bay?
No. Hands, Indexes, proportions, crown guards and so on are all totally different.
GREAT watch except for the movement. I have the SPB147. Came from the factory running +30 spd
I have this one too, it runs + 20s per day
I have the GMT version, 6R54, runs around +8s/d
This is not the same movement , this is the new 6R55
I don't see these at 1300 plus tax USD. 700-800 at most.
I guess the reality is different than what you see
The date looks ridiculous they should have just ditched it all together
What's the cost pls.?
Bottom of the chart shown at 2:27
@@UltraDougOh yes tk u very much 👍
Why can't seiko put a higher beat movement for a watch that cost more than 1k? it's a real shame.
I don’t miss a day a week #mamacoo This show...
Bezel insert should be ceramic
That black date disc on the blue dial is a joke.
Seiko: we made a great watch case and made the dimensions perfect for an everyday wear watch. Also Seiko: let’s top it off with an aluminum bezel and a 3hz unregulated movement then charge 1,000+ dollars for it!
Seriously, you can’t even be bothered to slap a ceramic bezel and tune up the movement for that money. Modern Seiko is just loosing my business.
I like these. Don’t like the price.
Still with no signed crown, why?
Non replaceable crown tube 😞
The 62MAS has a very compact case. Not sure i like the clipping of the lugs to make it shorter. Probably staying with the SPB143.
Why isn’t the second hand moving in any of this footage?
It’s a dummy movement for press footage
Cheaper than sending the real thing to all the content creators
Why Seiko always put date on a diver style watch?
some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder?
The date and text ruins it. Also, it didn’t need to be smaller the spb143 sits on the wrist perfectly. New designs don’t perfect anything, they detract from an already great design.
Background music is too loud.
I've been wanting the 62mas reissue, but I couldn't bringyself to pay $1,000+ for that godawful movement, after a bad experience with my Willard. That blue has me sold
Not the same movement though
Picked up my SPB 143 JDM for $900. Great daily if you live and play on\in the water. Looks better with a few dings and scratches.
I’d pay $500 for it.
they still cant sign a god-damn crown tho!
They don’t sign the prospex crown , get over it ,this is getting annoying , 🥱🥱
They could've just gotten rid of that stupid power reserve line, move the text up, maybe shave a tiny little bit off of the hour marker at 6 o clock and put the date window there.
This is just terrible, not only is the date too small, it's also in the worst possible spot, in my opinion.
@@user-xb5sn6wl6z And I don't care that you don't care. I'm just voicing my opinion, deal with it. 🤷🏼♂️
Honestly this appears to just be a marketing video.
The bezel looks thick now with smaller diameter.
Waiting for NEXT month Seiko Limited Edition release of this same watch 🙄🫤
I love 4.5 date. But if it was square
The 4.5 date window utterly ruins this watch for me. Other than date window this is great looking watch. I hate 4.5 window so much I wouldn't wear this watch even if it was given to me for free
@TheAlbert12397 I prefer 4.5 date, and all the indices. It's funny how such a small thing is important. And so many opinions.
Clasp is outdated
Sad, I think they missed the mark. The thickness of the original was the achilles heel. The height + angular design made it wear awkward. Not shaving off more in favor of increased water resistance was a weird choice. (Context: Previous Spb143 owner)
Still though, only fair-to-middling movement.
I hope they made this movement better. The 6r35 is a dog
"Automatic 3 Days" is rather tacky. ...Gimmicky, maybe. Definitely undesirable.
I agree
I have it on my MM200 GMT, and while I would definitely prefer it not be there, the text is really small in person so I don’t notice very often
Bullshit, the original text was Dialshock 24 jewels , are you going to shit on it as well ? Get over the text it won’t move
@@user-xb5sn6wl6z I will not get over it. The text is still undesirable. It is ugly and gimmicky. I will shit on it.
Very nice watch but I require a quartz version.
I swear the happiness I feel when #nkuwan uploads a video is beyond!!!!
6L37 or nothing
4.30 date window is the strangest
Date window sucks
Terrible read of the script. But good info though!
Their clasp system is horrible too
Black Bay or Pelagos? Well, the clasp is awful!! I want to buy this, but this clasp...
that 3 days text on dial is so f ugly. why would they put that there
The main issue for me is the size of the watch. Love the design and history but next to my turtles which I have worn for up to 30 years it just looks like a ladies watch on my wrist.
No matter how hard I try I can’t get past how weak it looks next to a turtle.
Make a slightly bigger one next time round.
Amazing watch, but I still don’t trust the movement. So unreliable.
What's so unreliable about it?
It's all over the place. I have so many watches with the 6r movements so I can attest but I keep buying them anyway. @@marioorozco6635
@@marioorozco6635 Nothing's unreliable about it. I have one and it runs in the same category of accuracy as my watches with ETA or Sellita movements, and probably a bit better than my Miyota-based watches.
I trust it with my life . Kidding don’t care about accuracy 😂
It's 1200 euro ? Too much
Doesn’t matter if the movement is a 6r which is a big load of crap
The position and smallness of the date is pathetic. The clasp is even worse than before because it is too short and not enough micro-adjustments.
Smaller, bolder, better… and way more expensive. What better way to indoctrinate a bunch of new Seiko fanboys?
Ruined date window
F seiko
Meh. So they took a classic design, turned it into a stubby chode shape, put the date in a weird place and put more words on the dial 🤔
The date ruins it.
Couldn´t agree more.The 3 hz movement is also a shitter unfortunately 🤢
No it doesnt.
Everyone has opinions
While I prefer a 6 o'clock date, or even 3 o'clock date, i think this is the best implementation of a 4.30 date ive ever seen. The small circle window, combined with a completely straight on horizontal viewing angle at 4.30 is an amazing execution.
For you
Shitty bracelet.
Date window fail.
1300 USD.
Male endlinks.
Very jarring dissonance between the lugs and the endlinks.
6R
No thanks
Gotta love seiko for not having live mvmts in their press pieces right now? 🫣 I feel your pain, then again , no fuss in setting the time over and over again. Great footage