Vaush Debates Charlie Kirk And Who I Think Won... ft. Tim Pool
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- DEBATE REVIEW: Destiny reacts to the Vaush vs Charlie Kirk debate on Tim Pool's Timcast podcast.
Timcast IRL - Charlie Kirk And Vaush Join To Discuss And Debate (ORIGINAL VIDEO) ► • Timcast IRL - Charlie ...
Date: 3 Aug, 2021
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We Are Giants - Epidemic Sounds (INTRO SONG)
0:00 - Teasers/Intro
0:55 - Mandates in the US?
5:05 - Could we pass seat-belts in 2021?
29:02 - Critical Race Theory
57:32 - Crime sentences and race, rich vs poor places in LA
1:11:55 - Unemployment stimulus, can't find workers, labor is a percentage
1:20:32 - Kirk doesn't believe we're headed towards something better
1:25:06 - Kirk isn't against social change? Concept of the fatherland
1:34:55 - Abortion argument and why it can be a layup topic
1:50:18 - Destiny explains how to screenshot and upload an image quick
1:58:10 - Post debate thoughts: who won?
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Destiny reacts to Vaush debate with Charlie Kirk on Tim Pool's podcast before giving his opinion on how the debate went.
To watch the original video and full debate ►th-cam.com/video/YL995iGCGEU/w-d-xo.html
the bullcrap that Kirk pulled with the VAERS thing is so dishonest. The figure he gave isn't the number of people who have died from the vaccine - they are reports of deaths that occurred after the individual took the vaccine, and as such should be investigated. They are being investigated and guess what -only single figures have been found to have any association with the vaccine.
It's a shame Vaush didn't know this for sure, because he wasn't forceful enough with his intuitively correct response.
you are an authoritarian
just say it
left or right dont matter this does
I saw this live... 😎
Destiny should have debated Charlie instead. Vaush's performance was flaccid.
charlie kirk is so stupid socialists have to defend medical companies because what he wants, what his ideology leads to is so much worse
When Vaush speaks about League of Legends players being degenerates, I think he refers to the ones that are actually good at it, so don't worry Destiny, you weren't addressed.
Vaush would definitely be a Yasuo player
When Vaush is calling other people degenerate he's 100% projecting
@@nunoalvarespereira87 he usually calls fascists degenerates he is not wrong because fascists are bad for society
@@samueltratt2101 And so are the Twitter commies.
@@HyperRapid There’s a big difference. There are waaaaay more people who are fascistic leaning who have political power in this country. Twitter communists are basically irrelevant.
Destroy was debated in this destiny
True if huge!
my mind is so fucked right now.
Was debated destiny this in destroy
okay that one actually made me chuckle
@@captainkirk414 If huge, true.
If true, huge.
Huge, therefore truly huge.
If truly huge, hugely true.
If hugely true, hugely truly huge.
Hugely true, therefore hugely truly huge.
Bigly.
Kirk: I find it ironic you're wearing red and I'm wearing blue, because red is republican and blue is democrat
Vaush: I'm actually wearing orange, and color doesn't have anything to do with my political stance
Kirk: I find it ironic that you're wearing red because it's republican
Vaush: I'm not wearing red.
Kirk: I just find it ironic because it means you're republican.
Vaush: it's not ironic. It means nothing.
Kirk. It's ironic you're wearing red.
curious
You forget that we live in a society…
Average irony enjoyer
>Says this situation is ironic
>Refuses to elaborate further
>Leaves
@@theweakestbrazilianmale3398 C H A D
Kirk: I just think it’s ironic
Vowsh explains why it’s not ironic in this case
Kirk: I know I’m just saying it’s ironic is all
Vowsh debunks his idea that this is ironic
Kirk: Yeah I know It’s just ironic to me, anyway so how do you feel about….
I like Vaush when he’s not talking to Destiny, they’re both smart dudes but they treat each other like abusive spouses
It's more like anime rivals lol
They're def still fucking
As a follower of Vaush I feel the same way about Destiny. Idk what it is about them specifically talking to each other that makes them blow up
@@2sthimo449 Yeah same, whenever they debate each other they become really hyperbolic
@@2sthimo449 Same, I follow both of them pretty equally, it’s wild seeing it go from the Irishladdie days to now
I have to be honest I feel pretty conflicted after this debate and have to give Charlie Kirk some credit.
I used to think Destiny had the biggest head to body ratio but if you consider the bare surface area of Charlie Kirks face he may actually be ahead of Destiny here. No pun intended.
Whatever the case we need to do the math but no matter what happens we still know Hasan has the smallest head size compared to body ratio, there's no arguing that.
Hasan's skull looks like those you see in a museum for a human relative 4 or 5 times detached by evolutionary stages.
Yeah but Destiny's 4'8" so any human head in a pre adolescent girl's body is gonna look big.
Chuck's what, 6'4" ? So for him to still have a large head ratio... God damn that thing must be like a Atlas stone...
oh my god you nearly had me for a second
Hasan is built like Shrunken Head Guy from Beetlejuice. Even if you don't get that reference, you can probably guess the similarity.
I mean it’s an effect of being tall I guess. Jon Jones a mma fighter too has a small head .
“Shoplifting has been decriminalized and tomorrow murder will be next!” - Charlie Kirk (paraphrased)
The second part aside the first is true.
@@alexilic3401 It's not decriminalized anywhere in America...misdemeanors have less harsh punishment attached to them but they are still against the law. You can just google felony shoplifting limits and see that the 950 in California is not even close to the highest in the country.
@@alexilic3401 post the legal document that states this.
@@phanatic215 post the legal documents that you’ve beaten dead space on immortal
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz I must be projecting my thoughts, because I was literally thinking about Dead Space this morning and how I never finished the first one. My xbox crapped out when I was near the end of the game, and for a few years I stopped playing games altogether. I know they're remaking it, so I guess I'll get a second chance to play it.
Tim Pool was way better at moderating that id thought he’d be.
He jumps in with his opinion a bit more than he should at times….but hey…it’s his show. It could’ve been magnitudes worse. Vaush even commended him.
Tim pools content with right wing guests is insufferable and is just an echo chamber but if you actually pay attention to how he is. His moderating skills weren’t surprising to me because I know how objective he can be. I like when he has more left leaning guests on his show because he actually tries to bring balance and agrees with them too. I just wish more left wingers would come on his show
@@Freqv According to Tim in several of his videos, he tried getting these left people to his podcast, only for these lefties to back out. It is why there's tons of right-to-center wing figures in the Timcast IRL since Tim gave them the invite and they actually accepted it.
@@tyvamakes5226 that’s why I literally said “I just wish more left wingers would come on his show”
I know he invites them and they don’t show up the way the right does, I just wish they did
@@tyvamakes5226 show me the evidence of this claim, because i think youre pulling it out of your ass.
It's kinda funny how Charlie Kirk wants us to believe Brett Weinstein because he's an evolutionary biologist but later scoffs at the entire science of evolution.
The extent to which religious conservatives use Darwinian notions, like survival of the fittest, to justify their politics is always surprising to me.
@@onepartyroule I totally understand what you're getting at, but we need to be careful, here. "Survival of the fittest" is not Darwinian. It's social Darwinism, which was promulgated by Herbert Spencer and is indisputably pseudoscience. It's this "version" of evolution that conservatives almost always cite to legitimize social inequality.
@@Progger11 Fitness in evolutionary biology is just the likelihood that you will reproduce. It has nothing to do with fitness in the colloquial sense. A male praying mantis gains a massive boost in fitness if the female devours his brain during sex -- he even has a second brain in his abdomen that will work harder to fertilize her eggs after he dies.
The social Darwinist's use of the phrase appropriates the word fitness and misconstrues it into something that has nothing to do with biology, but it is necessarily true (barring a planet-wide extinction) that the fittest species are the ones that survive on an evolutionary timescale. It's tautological, really.
@@luciddreamer616 "Survival of the fittest" is what was referenced, and that is social Darwinism's turn of phrase. It was that I was drawing a line on. I'm an anthropologist who studies mammalian evolution, and I contest your claim that "fitness" is a good term at any level of evolutionary understanding. Evolution isn't a ladder, and we need to get away from using terminology that helps perpetuate the misunderstanding that it is. Even within fields where we understand the nuance.
@@Progger11 Completely disagree. Fitness is a basic biological term and "survival of the fittest" is a reference to this trait that social darwinists misuse. Moreover, the idea that a trait which describes your likelihood of passing on your genes perpetuates the idea that evolution is a ladder is laughable at best, specifically given the context of the example I offered above.
Kirk's "MLK was a mixed bag" quote was surprisingly unsurprising
He at least defused the trap of "Yeah MLK is a pretty sick guy, listen to this colourblindness quote" before being predictably beaten over the head by MLKs other opinions
He was a mixed bag. There is no denying that. Vaush saying he didn’t like Malcolm X is what was even less surprising. FYI
@@LetsGetitBoah he said he didn't like Malcom X's early sepratist leanings...
@@LetsGetitBoah It's just funny to see conservatives whip out MLK in response to things like blm or kneeling football players as a poster boy for colorblindness, when in reality there's a ton of democratic socialist and class warfare quotes from the man that could easily come from the mouth of a modern American leftist. At least Kirk is self aware of that.
I’d rather conservatives say he was mixed bag than cherry pick his words
Vaush is really good at code-switching to fit his audience. He sounds like a professor here 😂
I was surprised at that too. Reminds me of Destiny’s ability to switch well, like in the Nick Fuentes Killstream
@@dsouu9139 this is a compliment, right?
@@ThySheepie I think it’s just a funny comment 🤷♂️
@@Sprite_525 o
Destiny’s audience is really good at code switching to root for whatever lefty is debating.
I'm only 15 minutes in but so far Tim Pool is an awesome moderator. I really expected him to help Kirk but he's really unbiased so far. Gotta give props.
It's an act, he drops it for his videos
Probably cause he wants some Vaush fans to subscribe to him.
If the mask falls off they'll realize he was faking it well enough.
That daily beast article must have set him straight. Lol.
True. Props to Pool for being a proper moderator
Goes to show - whichever way he wants to grift, he’ll do somewhat well at it
Vaush won, everyone was able to express their ideas and discuss it civilly. So the guy with the smallest following won a platform and credibility.
True, Vaush actually posted an image showing how much more people searched his name after the debate and it was a massive jump
@@AT-AT26 yeah but I don’t think searching someone’s name equates to winning a debate. I’ve searched up right wing people before after debates just to find out more about them. But it could also be that people liked him more, never know 🤷♂️
@@keys5595 in the end, "x person won the debate" is pretty subjective. charlie's fans will say charlie won, vaush's fans think that vaush won.
@⌈KEYS⌋ also true but pretty much the whole point of the debate (I think) is to get a bigger platform and convert more people.
The latter is hard to measure but it’s pretty clear that the former was successful. Vaush was able to debate Charlie Kirk as an avowed socialist with tens of thousands of people watching live (Tim Pool had like 50k watching live and add in all the streamers and it’s pretty clear there was a massive audience watching him) and he didn’t come off as an extreme soyboy radical libcuck (etc etc) whilst pushing back pretty well and looking reasonable.
Vaush might not have won but all Charlie Kirk and Tim pool did was validate him by platforming him and make him trending.
That’s definitely not the only reason Vaush won lol
According to legend, Charlie’s face gets smaller each and every time he lies
Would explain his fuckin small face
Many years in the future, some Jordan Peterson -esque figure will talk about the archetypal significance of Charlie Kirk rescuing his father from the belly of the whale.
Someone needs to edit this lmao
And the size of Vaush's beard reduces his IQ
Vaush did a good work being super moderate and framing social democracy as something "not that scary" to tim pool's audience.
Watching this feels like destiny is Vaush’s inner monologue after hearing Kirks insane points
Truuuuuuuueee
that's exactly what's happening here
This is probably so true that it’s not even funny. It’s canon to me. If Vaush had an angel and a devil on his shoulder, they would both be destiny dressed in variably skimpy outfits
@@crowned2088 supporting science isn’t being a weirdo
So even Tim pool is using some effect to make Charlie Kirk's face look incredibly small on that gigantic head of his? I never would have expected that but I do approve.
Yeah i noticed they were using the wider focal length on their streaming cameras lenses. Big nono for shooting a person head on
@@firstthingsfirst88 🤣🤣 is that what happened? Is that what always happens to Charlie's face?
Are we doing the "attack their appearance thing" you do remember this is Destiny's channel? He isn't exactly an Atlas in proportions...
@@keithfilibeck2390 I am, destiny seem proportional
@@harrypothead42024 ok, not to shit on Destiny, but his shoulders are tiny, he isn't porportional
Now this is someone Vaush can outpace intellectually.
@@RonponVideos more like a sloth crawl; he can't do a pull up.
!outpace NIGHTBOT WHERE YOU AT BITCH.
Charlie was very rude
And yet common sense is light years ahead of them both!
Kirk is smarter than Vaush.
i'm kind of perplexed at charlie kirk, he's like an AI that only discusses things in his dialogue tree that he has obvious (yet mostly false) answers to. What a tool
I hate how accurate the seatbelt analogy is. It's not even remotely exaggerated. Ask these people how they feel about mandatory seatbelts in cars and the only "good" thing they'd be able to say about them is that we've gotten used to tolerating them.
Seatbelts are perfectly safe and had extensive, decade long research proving its effectiveness at saving lives before it was made legally mandatory. This vaccine has not been proven to be perfectly safe, nor has it been proven to be effective and it doesnt have decades worth of extensive studies to support it being made legally mandatory.
@@dantheman4838 Water hasn't been proven to be perfectly safe. That's an impossible demand.
@@henry5823 Getting full FDA approval for a mandated vaccine is far from an impossible demand. I'd call it a bare minimum legal requirement it.
@@dantheman4838 If the FDA approves of the vaccines will you concede your entire position then?
@@dantheman4838 Your not talking about efficacy of the vaccine anymore. You have shifted to jumping through regulatory hoops in order to satisfy bureaucracy at this point. They have been proven effective, which is why you shifted, and we understand it. The existence of the mutated delta variant is enough reason to mandate the application of vaccinations to help curb future mutations.
You understand that each time a virus replicates, it has the potential for dangerous new mutations, correct? By helping the body identify the virus ahead of time, we effectively reduce the number of total replications, which is good for every human being that likes being alive.
Is it me or is Charlie's face shrinking during the debate?
Definitely, it's just not you, even I noticed the same thing 😂😂😂
Lmfao
@@KennedyIvy No no, his head stays the same, its just the face that shrinks
Angry Nebraska Steve is back bois! Bonus meme time
Couldn’t watch this debate without him
@@cable6416 yeah I needed Him to form my opinion
@@jesusramos2796 LMAO
Yesss let the anger grow Steven. It gives you focus, makes you stronger.
Stop trying to be a bro
In the first 10 seconds, is big brain destiny really arguing people can’t get IDs because they’re too expensive?
It hasn’t become a problem on a wide scale so therefore asking for IDs to vote is stupid?..
What world do these people live in. Even the smart ones.
I was perplexed when I first watched this. I thought Destiny's position on voter ID's flew right over my head.
Said something about Govt making ID's free? as if everyday adult Americans don't have some form of ID already
I'm so incredibly thankful that my mom was terrified of COVID and got the vaccine as soon as she could. I got sympathy for Steven bringing up his mom.
And my mom wasn't. And didnt. So....
@@bricecate okay? If your mom is doing well I'm happy to hear it
@@13enwarner she actually passed on Easter from cancer, but she wasn't scared of covid, because you can't control it. She knew that life throws shit at you, and sometimes it hits
hahaha you can tell that when vaush does well destiny is still kind of proud
@@lafxcraft Absolutely. I think David Pakman is also really good for online discourse. Someone with pretty agreeable takes and doesn’t really have much controversy surrounding him.
@@lafxcraft Pakman and Seder both serve a similar purpose: a bridge between normie liberals and progressive thinking.
@@ant7891 Imagine anyone owning more than one hat, yeah? That shit would be crazy.
@@FlamingNinjaBoi tim pool owns 12
@@logikylearguments6852 And they're all beanies, which is no bueno.
I swear Vaush and Destiny have this wild rivalry but if a conservative showed up during their battle they’d team up in a heart beat.
Someone get these two the Potara Earrings.
Would they become vaushtiny? Or daush?
@@carolinaandy5059 I prefer Vaushtiny.
Vaushtiny is the potara fusion daush is the fusion dance version
I always liked the comparison of them being a Goku Vegeta type deal. They're both driven by being the best and while they fight a lot they really shine when the bigger enemy comes through.
@@stonetemplepilot420 Exactly and I feel like they might even disagree with that comparison even though it’s spot in, with the exception that whoever is the Vegeta in the relationship (clearly Destiny) didn’t start out as an evil villain.
But yeah they definitely are Goku and Vegeta. Lol.
i always love hearing the opponent say "vowsh" and then seeing chat pick up on it
Who is this Voache guy?
@@Ciph3rzer0 pretty based individual
If that dig at LoL players was intentional because he knew Destiny would make a critique video, I can’t deny the brilliance of that.
No it's just a plain fact LoL players are doomed into the deepest pits of he'll, even bellow Hitler
When Tim brought up playing guitar as an alternative for selling drugs I wanted to jump off my balcony 🤣🤣
Yeah he clearly had no idea what he was talking about there.
Well, you know, unlike selling drugs or socks there is no startup cost to playing guitar, none, absolutely nothing you might need before playing an instrument for people
@@matthew9850 if you dropped me in downtown l.a. or s.f. with nothing but the clothes on my back, I'm confident that I could be selling drugs and making money in less than 6 hours. I doubt I would be able to get my hands on a guitar in that time. 🤷
@@chadjazeera9960 I guess I probably should have put a /s at the end of that
@@matthew9850 lol. no, my bad!
It's so damn relaxing listening to this while sunbathing and Destiny taking care of the flipping out part and I can just chill. Like sitcoms with laugh tracks so you can just eat Doritos in silence and still feel the relieve from laughing. 5/5
It just dawned on me that laugh tracks allow you to disengage and not laugh along. Thank you.
Vicarious anger!
The back to brunch liberal.
That's called interpassivity
Thank you for explaining my feelings so clearly
"I swear his face looks like it's photoshopped"
The Charlie kirk effect: when someone's body has been subjected to so much visual editing memery that one cannot distinguish the genuine article as genuine
His face looks like it’s being sucked into his body like a vaccuum 😂😂😂
I hope Vaush makes a video going over the debate and further strengthening some of the places where he didn't have data on in the moment.
The saddest part was where Charlie said this is the best society gets and that he doesn't think we could be improving it. That said everything to me and shows how dilusional conservatism is. Vaush should have laid into him how more right here.
I think it's at this point Vaush won, and I think may have converted some conservatives.
@RightwingersRSnowflakes it's the only way forward
That was actually kinda eye opening to me in a weird way because it never occured to me that some conservatives literally just think we cant go uphill from here instead of being on a curve broadly trending towards progress.
And I am sure many people wont have liked that answer. When I cant afford medical treatment or money for an emergency and a guy tells me it literally cant go better even though some European countries arguably do it better, I think that would alienate me
@@2sthimo449 i mean the whole aim for conservatives is to try to conserve as much as possible of the old ways that were more comfortable and safe for them. They're so scared of social and intellectual progress that they're willing to dig their heels in and weigh down progress as much as possible to try and eke out as much societal conservation as possible.
@@2sthimo449 unfortunately many of these conservatives want to keep the status quo. It then logically follows that your conditions must already be perfect, because if that weren’t the case you wouldn’t fight to keep them the same.
It’s inherently flawed as an ideology, but history tells us that change will always have proponents and with them come those who push against it.
Destiny cringing to Charlie Kirk is my spirit animal…
cringe
Cringe
cronge
I was your 69 like, and I wanted you to know that.
Based
I wish Vaush and Destiny were friend again, Cassandra Fairbanks was supposed to be there to debate too I believe, and a Destiny-Vaush tag team would’ve fucking CRUSHED them
Was honestly nice to see Destiny be charitable and supportive of Vaush here
Tim did pretty good as a moderator ngl then again I’m used to prime cayes moderation so…
Prime moderating is like watching a guy yelling "OH SHIT OH SHIT" while two chimps rear each other to shreds.
Surprisingly so. I thought he would be much worse
@Anita Blackhawk I understand what you're trying to say, but this comes off super cringe, considering prime is the only one in that analogy who *isn't* a chimp
Vaush "i would rather have this addressed by people who aren't youtubers" ....... Chuck "well what about brett weinstein" LOL CRINGE
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 Isn't Weinstein a Biologist first and foremost though? A Progressive TH-camr second.
Charlie Kirk looks like he's straight out of Hellbenders
Hellraiser*
l know exactly what you mean, l didn't expect anyone to remember that series lol
@@tabbymoonshine5986 no he was actually right the first time
Big head tiny face
As a biomedical science student, the sheer number of completely wrong things Charlie said about vaccines physically hurt me.
What did he say that was wrong about vaccines?
@@lafxcraft Part of me feels like he literally has to be dumb lol. He'd probably get crucified by his dipshit fans if he didn't also push those anti-vax talking points.
@@lafxcraft the only vaccine i can think of which is used a treatment is the rabies vaccine.
We need to add pulse and blood pressure sensors, and monitor Destiny's wellbeing during the triggering moments.
The day has come that a Christian conservative positively cites an evolutionary biologist. 🤣
cognitive dissonance is serious here
Was Ben Shapiro’s wife not available as a source?
It was just to prove his point. “They” do this all the time when it suits them 🤷♂️
@@wolfen8622 I’m struggling to think of anything sadder than attempting an appeal to authority and the best you can come up with his Brett Weinstein. This isn’t even a case of there being legitimate dissent among a minority of experts in the subject. It’s just Charlie citing a fellow rightwing grifter who happens to have a PhD.
@@bovinejoni4243 Dude isn't so much of a grifter as he is someone whose environment made him attractive to conservative people. His story about Evergreen and the people he woubd up speaking with as a result are all favorites of centrist and conservative types, so that audience came along with it
Vaush did good
Destiny's opinions have not aged well as more information surrounding the Covid shots has come out.
Lol, how so? There is no new information so significant that would age his comments poorly.
Charlie’s last line of questioning at Vaush is hilariously inept, it’s literally insane to think he actually thought that was a good attack on Vaush’s beliefs
It was a bad attack, but let's be real, you have to question someone's beliefs when they generally don't care about the idea of someone within their "side" living by their principles or not as long as they win. I don't really take people who refuse to live by their principles seriously.
God i love "mad against stupid conservatives" Destiny. The first 5 minutes were just *chefs kiss*
It was like waking up on Christmas morning
@@pennclick Y'all need lives.
@@n0-one0 Destiny being a big angry boy against conservatives is all the life I need.
It felt like I was watching 2017 Destiny again.
I need a single marathon-length video that's just a clipshow of all of those moments in Destiny's career. It would be so cathartic
Kirk has said from the beginning of the pandemic he was free from masks, or quarantine, or anything, because of the constitution. This is from the constitution:
"The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions." You could make an argument that masks and vaccine mandates could be done under the "public health emergency actions" part. I wonder if he knows that.
The idea that quarantines aren't 'covered' in the constitution was always bullshit, and these people know it. They just. Dont. Care.
A good example to bring up is the 'yellow flu' outbreak... in 1793 they quarantined Philadelphia and didnt let sick people leave, our founding fathers had to deal with it in the same way, but they were even more restrictive (road blocks/checkpoints). So yeah our government (not the feds) can certainly make it difficult to get into or out of regions.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 Yeah, that is a good example. I remember reading about that, and I always think of it, like you, during all this. Crazy world, isn't it, that they can do that all the way back then, and we can't do it in 2021?
I mean that's assuming that conservatives have read past the second amendment lol
I honestly don’t get the argument against voter I d tho. You won’t be able to prove fraud without voter id in the first place. It feels like common sense to Id yourself before you’re allowed to vote seeing that we have guidelines around who can vote and we know many don’t exercise their right to vote which could be easily stolen ( people voting in their place) without verifying id. We verify id for so much, you’d think it’s not an issue when electing our leaders
Apt!
After watching Destiny over the past year. This channel is basically a reality show of a mans slow decent into madness.
Destiny’s editor had to be the first to get it out there
The serfs was way earlier 😛
Way earlier
Serf's did a good job. The commentary was fairly minimal, but he had some good digs
I'm sorry to say it, but Bret Weinstein really has contributed to legitimizing a lot of brain rot related to the COVID topic.
The only real issue I have had with his stuff on this topic is that his distrust of the system(which I share) can act like a signal flare to draw in the typia conspiratorial types. He isn't as involved in his community so it can seem like he is contributing when the issue seems to be more that he should just generally address some of the things people have been saying.
@@josiahclarke3535 He also has zero expertise with respiratory diseases or pharmaceuticals.
Bret lends so much legitimacy to really dumb ideas by re-phrasing them with PhD level vocabulary and blurring them with a little nuance, purely because "institution bad" and the feedback mechanism of constantly being validated by an audience of similar self-important pseudo-intellectuals doesn't hurt either.
@@jackallenproductions "frustrating" is a great word for it. Weinstein really comes off like he thinks he's outsmarted the very act of critical thinking. Where most people tend to take positions based on what's most satisfying, I think he tends to take whatever position makes him look the most subversively intellectual.
Brett was the first one saying it came out of a lab so not really
Good God I find we agree on many things, however I can't fathom how far left you were on covid and vaccines.
“What do you have to say about seat belts that are too tight and maybe could give you heart inflammation?” Was fucking hilarious.
This was the most I've ever heard Kirk speak. He's dumber and less honest than I imagined. It was too offensively stupid, I had to peace out.
@@Crimson50 pretty much everything, literally. The Malone thing is one example.
@@Crimson50 the idea that unverified anecdotes should be a cause for concern in the context of large-scale studies showing no serious side effects (for Pfizer or moderna) and a political campaign aimed at deligitimizing the vaccines.
@@Crimson50 are you really asking that question after the vaccine segment?
I’m paused at 3:11. Literal first thing out of his mouth is. Well what about voting IDs?
@@McClain3000 My neck hurt from that pivot and the subsequent whiplash.
Probably the most shocking part of all this is that Tim Pool actually seemed pretty ballanced as a moderator. I partly expecting him to simp hard for Charlie the whole way through.
Not blatant simping but definitely eager to join in with mindless megamind
Destiny yelling at conservatives is my safe place.
Thanks for putting this up so I dont have to fund Tim Pools beanies
100%, glad to see tim pool not be an absolute buffoon here and suburbs of chicago chuck kirk with the amazing self-owns
*beanie
Kirk folded on every point (except for his stupid Covid take) from what i have seen so far so i think Vaush definently won. Many Kirk fans are mad at him today. 😀
Public Health > Your right to be stupid.
Destiny is pretty clueless about the vaccine mandate scene. He's spouting pure corporate nonsense.
It's very hard to really determine the level of quality of Vaush's performance in regards to his other debates because within this whole event, Kirk asked so many questions and this whole convo was mostly Vaush having to explain his views rather than tear down why Kirk's fundamental prescriptions are wrong, although when it did come time to do that at many points I think he did a good job, although I wish he went harder. Kirk and Tim Pool had complete control of the convo, so it felt more like a Vaush interview and broad discussion where he tried to come off as reasonably as possible (which I do think he did a good job of) rather than an actual back and forth debate, as he'd traditionally do on his channel, which I understand was kind of the point, but because most people are probably more accustomed to him in his more loose and homely setting, it's hard to determine his performance on a quality level other than that he did better than Kirk obviously because Charlie just said a lot of incorrect things, agreed with Vaush to an extent, or asked questions lol.
*In summary: Vaush won*
we get the whole “VaushXdestiny” shit, both cool guys who had disagreements, but let’s be honest
in summary: there was no debate, Vaush got interviewed.
I only briefly saw a video from Vaush before the debate but I remember him saying that he dosent want to go hard cause
1. This is Kirks first internet politics debate and he dosent want to sour Kirk
2. He is a socialist talking to a conservative, on a conservative show, with two conservative monitors
@@Drizzly0 It absolutely matters. Vaush’s entire goal with this debate is coming off as a reasonable as possible, so that he can move some of Tim Pool’s reactionary audience to a leftist worldview eventually.
@@Drizzly0 It may not matter to you or others, but obviously it mattered enough to Vaush. So no point in really arguing what's been done since it was going to happen, unless the debate got really out of hand.
I couldn't really focus while watching it live (lag + work), but after rewatching it I think Vaush won handily. There really wasn't any topic where I felt like Kirk made better arguments on - even on the reparations front, which I expected Kirk to have a whole list of solid arguments against.
Biggest surprise was expecting this to be a 1v2 or 3 but Tim Pool made for a great moderator
pool won the debate imo, he came out looking like a centrist while being an obvious reactionary.
Yeah I mean people should stop hating on Pool, he's pretty based
Oof, check out any of the Majority Report takedowns of Tim Pool and tell me honestly he is "based." Lol.
Vaush won? What do you mean? How can you win an interview? All I heard was Vaush talking and Kirk asking him questions.
@@lucasevergarden6601 nah, Vaush "won" because if I was for example a completely undecided baboon who just woke up from hibernation, after listening to the debate I'd go, bearded man win, jokes aside Kirk made like 2 points the entire debate.
Just a note for Charlie Kirk on conservative Korea- Koreans have a strong believe in welfare and public health. and the vast majority are compliant with mask wearing and vaccination. Thus, they still haven't had a lockdown during the pandemic.
Tim Pool did a lot better moderating than I thought he would
When Tim Pool actually is a centrist he's a lot more bareable
It’s true that a lot of kids have implicit racial biases. About a year ago, my daughter was 4 and she asked why isn’t her hair beautiful like the kid on TV (a white character), so I replied, “your hair is beautiful”. Then she said “my hair can’t be beautiful because it isn’t like hers”. Jesus Christ, I was not ready for that conversation. Of course I’ve seen studies about it but how do you approach that conversation with a child?
I saw someone post a video with their daughter. It wasn't in the video, but she said that her daughter (who's got to be like 4 or 5) said that some character was beautiful because she's white. For context, these people are Filipino and dark skinned.
You're going to get that when like 95% of all entertainment media is mostly white people. I could be wrong but I think the last time a blockbuster movie came out with a mostly poc cast was Black Panther.
I hate to break it to you, but that isn't a "racial bias", that's just kids idolizing weird traits in cartoon/beautiful actors. Kids with curly hair can hate that they don't have straight hair, and I knew at least one 5 year old that was upset that they didn't have "anime hair".
@@note4note804 If you want to take a surface level look at it sure, but in reality these biases are so caked into our culture that basically every child on TV and every doll is white with straight hair (most black cartoons have straight hair as well, strangely). These racialised beauty standards are being taken in by kids from a really early age and children understand them. For instance, a princess is like the quintessential representation of beauty for little girls, if a young child only sees white princesses with blonde hair then that’s what they are going to associate beauty with.
@@justlooking1087 Just tell her that the reason she thinks that is that most of the people shown on TV are white, and watching too much TV does weird stuff to peoples brains. IF she asks why most of people on TV are white, just tell her that other groups of people didnt have the opportunity to showcase their beauty but the issue is slowly changing. I dont know if you already do this but teach her how to take care of her natural hair, style her hair with her, there are a bunch of youtube channels that tackle how to style 4C hair and various products you can buy.
@@note4note804 Do some people take the implicit racial bias thing too far for their own agenda? of course. But there is validity especially for females(males will have some of this issue too of course and in different ways) when they only see girls and women that are presented as beautiful that :
Dont have their hair
Dont have their skin colour
Dont have their phenoytype(nose lips etc)
eye colour
constantly all the time, that can do something to the psyche, for now, as more POC people are shown in media I guess, it's POC parents jobs to try their best to fix that by doing some of the things I told the original commenter to try and do.
If this debate proved anything then its that Destiny is in no danger of slipping into the right as some people claim.
@Ben Woodcock fun fact ids are already required to register to vote and vote is checked against your id when it is counted.
Voter id laws simply set up another unnecessary layer between registered voters and actually voting because it's an effective way to turn away poorer voters, who typically lean Democrat.
There's a reason these laws are only being pushed in red states after they lost an election... historically, the more people that vote, the worse Republicans do. These voter id laws only exist to prevent valid americans from voting and are blatantly anti-democratic.
Only a lefty would fear that, well what they truly fear is Steven being moderate
@@raz1572 if they have an ID to register, how is it “another layer” that “makes it harder?”
@@fungdark8270 it's weird that your asking that and not why the extra layer is necessary...
He's just a deep thinking Centrist. There's very little that's far left or far right about Steven. When he has takes that aren't supported by the Howling Blue Check Marks, but are patently f***ing obvious, like Rittenhouse being beyond obviously self defense , then people say he's right wing. Like they say Pool's right wing. That's because younger people (who tend to be more progressive because they're much closer to their Schooling) tend to feel that everyone should believe the same thing.. about everything.. and if you don't then you're not one of us.
One of us One of us.
42:35 Kirk assumes 3 parents = poly without considering a thing called grandPARENTs?
SHEESH!
What's the difference?
@@papaofthejohns5882 Mom, Dad, and Grandma vs Mom, Dad, and Mom's boyfriend. Conservatives assuming it is the 2nd one automatically is some seriously sussy baka shit.
@@Hekinsieden Hahaha, sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I was trying to imply they are one and the same - Good ole' Alabama!
@@papaofthejohns5882 Yeehaw Brother smells like Freedom to me, just like in the Bible I tell ya hwhat.
"The hardest thing about playing guitar, is getting paid to do it!"
Truer words have never been spoken.
This is honestly so perfect. Vaush calmly discussing this with Charlie. Which is good. It gets the point across well.
And then Destiny screaming and yelling at the stupidity coming from Captain Kirk, which is how I would want to react in that situation
Vaush is the Defense and Destiny is the Attack.
@@lafxcraft Vaush has often said that when dealing with conservatives optics and rhetoric is more important than facts, since conservatives never gave a fuck about facts to begin with I think he has a point.
Because Destiny can't control his petulant outbursts? How impressive.
@@willrowe6088 I'm confused. What are you impressed by?
@@Daye04 Change your batteries in your sarcasm detector. They're low.
I really like it when Destiny starts tearing right-wingers a new one. Reminds me of the good ol' days of his content.
Also a hell of a lot more interesting than him debating left wingers and why socialism wont work for the hundredth time.
@Nick Bacigalupo
Feels like most of Destiny’s debates these days has been on socialism over conservatism, and seeing as how conservatism is a much larger political group than socialism, it makes sense to focus on them more so anything else
@Nick Bacigalupo just b/c the conclusions & goals remain stagnant in the face of evidence testing the assumptions they’re built from, doesn’t mean the aesthetics & argumentation aren’t rebranded and otherwise restyled to evolve with the shifting tides of whatever is accepted by the public as “the traditional approach”
The substance is indeed stale, but the framing of that substance is amorphous enough to produce a multitude of rhetorical devices, each tailored to suit different expected audiences.
@Nick Bacigalupo
So conservatism hasn’t changed for the past…. 20 years?
@Nick Bacigalupo Yeah totally not any right wingers actively doing political violence or anything in January of this year yup thats definitely not a thing thats happened
@Nick Bacigalupo Lefties still didn't try to throw a coup. Stay mad.
Wtf happened to Tim Pool? Dude now has way more centrist stances than before.
he was shifting from a leftist to a centrist for the last 10 years probably.
I would expect an evolutionary biologist to say something along the lines of: How does the coronavirus exert pressure on the human race and drive changes in population genetics and fitness.
Destiny, Australian here. They are lying about the aus situation. The protests aren't massive
Edit: I'm partisan on this issue. We have a low vaccination rate in Australia due to our federal government failing to secure supply. We have also had a very small campaign to push people towards vaccination. It's honestly embarrassing. As a west Australian we've gone from being on top of the (developed) world to dead last.
I might not get vaccinated til 2022 at this rate
Do they take a similar approach like Iin Germany: bus the same crowd of up to 4000 people around the country to every protest to inflate numbers?
Isn’t the low vaccine rate in Australia due to the low case numbers?
@@ribby9069 It's more an incompetent federal government.
@@matt_9112Like Antifa?
The size isn't really the relevant aspect of what is happening.
Imagining asking Weinstein about leveling your Pokémon in the day care dude LMAO
Vaush: If you were to look at society and asked to assess its worth, what metrics would you look towards?
Kirk: The ability to defend those who can't defend themselves.
Also Kirk: *Chooses not to get vaccinated*
"The hardest thing about f***in' playin' guitar is actually getting paid to do it, okay ?"
Truer words have rarely been spoken.
Destiny interjected in the right places, Tim Pool did well in moderating, Vaush handled himself and the arguments really well, and Kirk wasn’t too insufferable - overall A+ work guys. I really hope this sort of confrontation of ideas becomes a regular thing.
honestly great podcast/convo/debate, time flew by pretty fast listening to this one, I just hope D and V are on better terms in the future as their debates are great fuckin content
Vaush won. The other guy used the Bible and religion just to back up his points. Vaush used logic. You and he should make up - you both made and woiuld make a good duo.
I feel like they just need to avoid debates altogether. Imagine if they had a preparation stream. Vaush would have ruled the abortion argument. And of course they could probably win *any* tag-team argument. Maybe even talking point and policy research streams. But if they start to disagree then they gotta stop the call.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 This is actually such a fantastic idea holy shit. I'd love to see them bury the hatchet somewhat by doing stuff like this instead of debates which inevitably implode.
I found Vaush first so I tend to lean towards him. But both he and destiny are both great debaters and I wish they would make up. Not least of all because of the dipshits arguing between the fans
Yeah, but vaush is a degenerative horse lover so he didn't win
I love when videos show other videos in 2x time, that means I can kick it up to 4x!!
I’m definitely right-leaning but fucking hell Charlie Kirk is making Vaush look like the good guy.
Does anyone else absolutely hate it when the debates are sped up? It's just not enjoyable or interesting to listen to at all.
Same
Usually yeah, but I already watched the debate at regular speed, so I appreciate the expediency this time around.
Nah I'm opposite, my ADD ass gets bored so fast at normal pace lol, I normally have to be playing a game on the second monitor while listening to a podcast sped up or I find something else to do haha
I actually started liking it faster than normal because of Destiny. Realized it just speeds up the rambling while still catching onto the main points, especially when you don't got all day.
I have to watch at 0.75x, but then when Destiny talks it sounds like hes on drugs haha. It works for me though
Honestly, I appreciate the little screenshot-upload-tutorial. Quite useful for someone who normally doesn't use hotkeys.
I’m 8 minutes in and this might be my favorite Destiny video of all time. Preach, Destiny, Preach!
I always slow down the video when destiny speeds it up and it makes him sound like an angry drunk, and i love it. :)
This is probably my favorite destiny video of all time I was laughing the whole time 🤣
did you comment on the wrong video?
I love when destiny is fired up. It's my favorite destiny
i love when charlie kirk, in an attempt to sound smarter than he is, uses expressions like "Euclidian geometry" when he could just say calculous, which is much harder math but he's too stupid to know that
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 or when he mentioned the third law of thermal dynamics as if we live in a closed system? That was at 1:20:50 can't believe vaush didn't push back on that.
Furioustiny
oh cringe, I'm still only 52 mins into this video, I'm definitely going to stay a little longer for that brilliant take LOL
I've never seen anything from Charlie Kirk before, but I always thought he was one of the 'intellectual' conservatives. How wrong I was.
The sad thing is that he is. Conservatives are just that bad.
wow, my favorite vaush reaction channel posts again
just want to point out the reason why the vaccinated percentage in Australia is so low is because our supply is very limited, I haven't had a shot yet, and neither do most people that I know, because we can't get one, not because we don't want one
Don't let this distract you from the fact that the FF7 playthrough videos are all privated now
They were probably messing with the algorithm.
@@Xsuh i want to see him fight ruby dammit!
Vaush on stream: charlie kirk and Tim pool are Nazis and want to kill gay and trans people
Vaush in person: hey there reasonable fellas let's politely talk 😂
Vaush carried himself great here. It was like a 2 vs 1 at some points
I think starting the debate with the vaccines where facts were unequivoquely on Vaush's side, and resulting in Tim fact checking and endorsing vaccines, probably helped Vaush a lot building credibility for the latter part where the discussion was more muddled.
During his streams he was thinking it would end up being a 3 vs 1, so I think he was pleased with it being only him and Charlie for most of it.
How was it a 2 v 1? Who was the other person other than Charlie Kirk? Because Tim Pool definitely wasn't siding with Charlie and sometimes would fact check Charlie and point out stuff that Charlie was factually incorrect about.
@@meltedsnowman9637 exactly. At some points it was vaush AND tim vs Charlie. 2v1.
@@maximeteppe7627 I'd say it was pretty unbiased moderation from Tim. But Tim did fact check Charlie when Charlie was completely talking out of his ass.
I've never really watched Tim Pool so my viewpoint has been largely negative bc of what people say, but he seems like a great moderator and comes across as very helpful to the talking points presented.
Trust me, he’s SUPEERRR cringe
Dude predicted trump winning 49 states. He’s an idiot.
He is a passive guy, even if his opinions are bad when active, he still has a speciality in passivness which shows his strenght in here as a mod
@@friendlypup5650 this wasn’t directed at me, but naw, I’m not going to “trust you.” I’m going to form my own opinion, as everyone else should. These comments are full of “Charlie is ignorant, or doesn’t know what he is talking about,” without any specifics as to what point or part of the discussion this is referred to. All three of these guys are very specific in to what they are arguing or position they are trying to support, and the majority of the people commenting on here cannot seem to even approach this level of thinking/reasoning.
@Nick Bacigalupo that's what tim said though
Unrelated to this specific debate, I believe the world needs for Vaush and Destiny to become allies again. I don't care who started their beef and why. We need them as allies, not enemies. Anybody remember the debate they had with James Allsup and Eric Stryker? We just watched Vaush vs Charlie Kirk; imagine Vaush and Destiny vs Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro.
The Mega Powers have been feuding for too long. We need Hogan and Savage back together.
This guy harmonizes with science the way oil harmonizes with water. Vaush soundly responded to the critique about vaccine side effects, and Charlie essentially replied with "brb going to meditate on irony." It went right over his head. I have the same reaction as Destiny here. It's cause for anger.
You can tell a conservative is being taken out of their frame when they have an extremely difficult time keeping on task during a topic they themselves brought up.
I think Vaush didn't push back alot because CHarlie Kirk didn't EVER push back. He would state a position, vaush would push back and then Kirk would basically say "Agree to disagree" and then go quiet for the next 10minutes while Tim picked up the dead weight. Tim did pretty good as a moderator. Also the depth of Kirks random factoid knowledge was pretty impressive. Its really apparent that Kirk is a hyper trained and disciplined media figure so it feels like that Kirk came in with that plan exactly. Tim Pools fans gushing over "civil discussion" more than the topics being discussed was real annoying. Like, okay, we get it, its cool they're not screaming at each other and hurling chairs, move on.
I've been hearing a little voice in my head screaming every time I hear a conservative/pseudo-libertarian talk about Covid-19 vaccines, morals, the constitution, election fraud claims, etc...
After watching the first five minutes of this video, I finally figured out that little voice in my head is actually Destiny.
Chat when Vaush said "Horses are titans"
vaush did pretty good, i'm not even a fanboy, but he was a ton better than kirk
@Товарищ tankies still mad he researched the uygher genocide on-stream and they didn't have arguments beyond "Wikipedia therefore I can choose to not listen lalalala-"
Why don't people want jobs? Because the jobs are shit. I don't see companies offering good salaries, benefits and conditions having trouble recruiting