Thanks for the review Vincent! Was waiting on this one. Sadly , for the price and the shortcomings it looks like I will be waiting a bit longer to replace my projector. Great review.
They probably know their market better than me, but I'm always surprised the investment put into the sound quality. People dropping 7K pounds on a projector + screen are the same people who are going to have a dedicated receiver and surround sound speakers right?
@@macho9556 yes, if you are building a home theater then sure.. I myself have a dedicated one with a Sony laser projector. But short throws are generally marketed and used as a TV replacement. In those use case, especially in the hall or bedroom where you don't have the kind of batcave a dedicated theater room has, an 85 inch OLED may be a better choice. It's all down to use case. Again, if you're using it in a light control room with the space to sit at the appropriate distance then sure...
@@ramahsakul6850 if you have the space for a dedicated hometheater nothing beats a 10 feet wide screen and beyond.. and if you have the budget long throw the likes of Sony laser and JVC will give you the best quality. All short throws are using TI DLP chips which are ok in a slightly lighter room but in a perfect batcave, their contrast issues will be very noticeable... If on the other hand, you're looking for a general purpose display for your room or hallway where there are always going to be ambient light, the definitely an OLED. There is just no competition in terms of picture quality... especially now that 85 inch OLEDs are sort of in the same price range as these short throws...
All pixel shifting dlps are working at 60hz. This is not necessarily a problem if there is also decent frame interpolation. I use mine on low and get a completely judder free image.
As an LG HU85 owner, this is definitely the biggest drawback. Overall I am really pleased with it, and there are a number of benefits over a long throw equivalent but it does leave me knowing that I will need to replace this projector sooner than I would like since the judder is frustratingly noticeable.
good thing Fox made that copyright claim because I definitely could have watched the full video content and gotten the full enjoyment of that video by watching your TH-cam clip from it... /s
Same. I've been thinking for the next house that I'd want to put my hdmi 2.0 4K screen on the bedroom wall, and use a ultra short throw projector 4K120hz HDR VRR projector in the living room. I like the small form factor, and with a motorized screen you could still have a nice, subtle interior design... but at this rate, I may just have to buy a large 75" due to the tech not being in the markets, or when it is, it's going to be incredibly expensive compared to TVs.
Bummed, but not totally surprised to hear about the motion handling, but overall sounds like right now, this is “the one” as far as UST projectors go. Ordered mine last week with the Epson 100” screen, so this makes me feel even better about my purchase!
@Crimson King: We are not paid by Samsung for the "Recommended" award, so your accusation is false and baseless. Ultra short-throw projectors appeal to a segment of the market who wants the biggest screen size possible, watchable in a room with some ambient light, not necessarily placing that much importance on picture quality. What 100-inch to 130-inch TV can you buy for £7000, without the headache of the installation logistics/ space/ etc.? We have tested a number of ultra-short throw laser projectors, and on balance, the Samsung LSP9T is the best among the bunch (biggest Rec.2020 coverage, deepest blacks, quietest operation, best sound), and on that basis, there's even an argument to give it our "Best in Class" award, but because of the shortcomings we discovered, we felt that a "Recommended" award is fair. We're always honest and transparent in our reviews, constantly seeking to point out the pros and cons of all products we test to help potential buyers make an informed decision. Disagree with our findings (measured using reference-grade equipment & experience across many years) if you want, but do not accuse us of accepting back-handers, thank you.
Nice review as always Vincent! I got a question regarding brightness. Is it meant to be watched in fully dark room and how much ambient light is allowed for good viewing experience. Also, did you use it with special screen or is enough to project on the wall (i dont see it bundled with any kind of screen)?
'Rainbow Effect' (RBE) that's caused by the moving colour wheel on a DLP projector. Some people can see it in real life, some people it's so bad that they cannot watch a DLP projector at all.
Europe should be 60hz or vice versa by now. (Universal format) How much 24fps so you watch. Forget its 10,000 dollars without a multiple 1000 dollar screen! I have a 300 dollar UST and one that 20,000 dollars. (3 total) The 300 dollar one is worth it. The other two "expensive" ones aren't. Unless you have money to blow. It's supposed to be price per inch. For about 12,000 dollars minimum, let's say on this UST.....you can buy SIX 65 inch LG OLED C1s and get a much better image and lag time by far. Buy FOUR 77" LG C1 OLEDs. These were supposed to be 150" or so and way less for the money. Screen is a must. I'll take my 300 dollar UST at 150" but, not my 20,000 dollar UST. I have a reason and the means for it. 99.9999% of consumers (we consume a crapload) shouldn't but this. The point was portability and way less per inch for USTs. This projector and others screw thar up. Again, you need a huge fixed screen on the wall and thousands upon thousands of dollars for that. Even on the best of the best, ambient light will always be a bigger factor. They have gotten better but, for 10,000 plus without screen, it's should be way DAMN better and about 2,000 dollars maximum. That 2,000 is still about 2,500 with a garbage screen.
@@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO Stupid comment. Clearly, you don't understand Pal vs NTSC. If out, Pal is superior for watching movies over NTSC and NTSC is superior for sports. They both have their flaws and advantages. The point is at this price point tech should support both.
@@Venomynous I knew you would cherry pick that. Notice, I said vice versa for a universal format. I unfortunately do understand it and you couldn't tell the difference. One damn sentence, as per usual, humans enjoy discussing because they think they "got ya". I get that crap. So, you want me to run my 20,000 dollar UST projector and 7,000 dollar screen in 50HZ. Should I watch 1973 BBC programs or how about Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo in 144P? Stop the Pal NTSC crap. I'm talking about a standardized 60hz or better 50hz for all signals. I usually discuss this garbage with a 149 dollar Walmart TV. On this channel, these are high end TVs and projectors. So stop with thr gotcha BS. I've forgotten more than you know about this garbage. I've consumed and owned them all as a bored wasteful human. No more of this. I'll let you discuss PAL vs NTSC. I guess your little device corrected to "Pal". I'm not your "pal" but, it's PAL. Oh, you must not know about any of this. Sarcasm. I don't cherry pick crap to debate. It is about a 15,000 dollar setup, minumrn with this projector and you are replying to me about PAL vs. NTSC? Although, this technology garbage is meaningless. How many times do I watch 8K or upscale well on my 8K OLED TV? Answer = Once when I tested it for about 40 seconds. All of this is meaningless. Even the most nerdy of you people watch maybe 2% of your content in 4K. Let alone 120hz or anywhere close. I'd say maybe 3% at even 1080P. Say maybe PAL vs. NTSC is the thing to discuss. 99.9999% of all home viewing is at 1080i or 720P and 60hz or 50hz. I'd pay so much more for a TV or projector that upscales better and get rid of 4K, 8K and 120hz BS for marketing. Thr consoles can't even produce 4K@120FPS. (PC another story but WTF do you need at 4K@120FPS? Nothing.) I've done it with simulations and other tome washing crap. 1080P@60fps is more than enough and I have 30,000 dollars worth of sim rigs, wheels, flight sticks and other wasteful stuff. Years of chasing this garbage out if boredom. It's like high end audio, where you can spend 10 million dollars on a system. It is the hobby of chasing the perfect sound or perfect image. If you get there......THEN WHAT? Emptiness. Too much? Rhetorical. Maybe you do have a point, but I guess you spend 15,000 dollars on a 4K laser UST projector @ 130 inches to watch broadcast TV. GTFOH
Thank you Vincent! I would love to see more reviews from you on Laser TVs as this year there are many new promising releases such as Epson LS-800, LG CineBeam HU915QE, HISENSE 100L9G-D12, The Philips Screeneo U5
Nice review, Vincent! This seems to be the best ust projector at the moment. The price, however, is a no go for most of us. There is also the Polaris rgb laser model, which uses the 0.47" chip to keep the cost down. A comparison between this and the Samsung would be nice, since the Polaris is a much cheaper model and uses parts from Hisense.
It's priced disgracefully. My friend demonstrated it to me in hia store and it was great looking images but not qirth that price. I just got an Epson TW9300 second hand nearly new for my brother for around the £1000 mark and this LSP9T projector isn't 5x times better than the 9300 Epson. I also have an Optoma P2 and it's so beautiful aside from the OS but I use a chrome 4k stick and I got it for £2k
great reviews very in depth. if i had one request it would be to try and get the layman the best in person experience going over the basic features in the video as well as the deeper more technical stuff for the pros. usually these have a kind of balance which is great i think you are among if not the best on youtube. but i again add that what i really on these reviews is when they show us as close to in person as possible the product from the unbox in an easy to understand way before going further.
Great review as always. Does anyone else see the rainbow effect on the back of Daniel Craig's head @ 3:00 ? That's what I always see with DLP projectors and it puts me off having one, I presume there's a different reason for it to be captured in a clip like (chromatic aberration I expect) this but for those who say they don't see rainbow effect that's what it looks like...
Yes, I see it in my monitor. But, that means that the sequencial RGB laser colours in the DLP can be captured by the camera used in this video. The question is if your eyes/mind can percibe it directly.
@@biogons14 Well since this comment I've actually bought a similar projector (JMGO SA) using the same mechanicals - if you're susceptible you can totally see a rainbow effect, easiest moving your eyes side to side looking at the image... But I can now say it's not really a problem which bothers me on this projector or ruins my viewing. :)
@@The_JimrodWhat I find interesting is that triple laser DLP technology does not help much to reduce the perception of the rainbow effect, however it is an improvement for not having moving parts such as RGB colour wheels.
very helpful review, thanks for the heads-up on the 'stuck at 60Hz' for the tuner and no real 24fps for film - that oput me right off even at £2k new in the UK now. Back to LG OLED TV's for me :)
I don't think he will get so many samples for review if he does that. He is a calibrator, not an internet joker so he can't bs us with marketing ,,contrast'' and if he begins to post real contrast numbers many comanies will prefer to avoid such review :)
i think the contrast depends mostly on the room I have seen a website saying even if you turn out all lights in the room just having white ceiling/walls in the room can wash out the image of a lot of projectors
@@djayjp UST projectors need a special screen, regardless of the room. You have to pay at last 1500 for a dedicated UST screen, otherwise most of the light will bounce on the ceiling.
Thanks for the great review. I am looking to add a Samsung sound bar to the projector. Can the sound bar fit on the wall under the screen without getting in the way of the laser? Thanks - Steve
I would have thought MOST people would buy this projector to watch films on. Films run at 24 FPS so a projector that wont display this frame rate would completely kill the main market for this otherwise good projector. It has for me. Is it so hard to convert or make the option available? Is there a projector available in this format? I really wonted to buy this until I watched in a local shop a film presentation, the judder drove me mad. On same films not so noticeable but bring in the action and ohh dear! If you notice such things it will drive you mad and for $11,000NZ a very expensive disappointment.
Hi..i really appreciate your educational content, but I'm sure i speak for the majority or guy, when i say I'm waiting for you to review some budget laser projectors, like between the 300-1200 $ range please. Thanks
Thanks for the Review Vincent, hopefully we see some improvements on the next refresh/model to incorporate some of the issues you brought up such as frame rates, input lag and my wish is a black model option. i'll be seriously looking at one of these for my next upgrade from my current 82 inch, unless we see some 100inch+ similar priced Flat screens TV next year, which i can't see happening. i'm willing to sacrifice picture quality within reason for screen size for immersion Now we just need the upgraded model before the 2022 world cup :)
You mean low budget? Because Flat Panel TVs can only hit 90" and they cost WAY more than this projector does. Regardless, you have the O1 and O1 pro on kickstarter and THOSE are Ultra Short Throw projectors with lasers in the $800- $2,000 range if you want a low budget Ultra Short Throw Laser Projector at the moment. Ultra Short Throw projectors are becoming cost efficient THIS YEAR.
Thanks Vincent for this review. I have been using a 0.44” DLP chip single laser UST projector for 2 years, the only thing I dont like is its poor contrast performance, black looks greyish instead of black. Do you think this Samsung using 0.67” chip is noticeably better in black level and is worth the upgrade? is it also true that the black level contrast performance on any OLED is miles better than any of these UST projectors? Thanks
Only projectors that come close to OLED black are JVC's with DILA chip. This Samsung has a bit better black levels than your current projector but it's not night and day difference.
Vincent why do you like extreme colour accuracy so much. I like good accuracy but I love a vivid looking dolby vision images. I am not talking about the crap you see on TV showrooms but slightly oversaturated natural colours are so beautiful.
I'm getting 24p fine. In fact, if I turn the clarity settings on and put at the #2 setting it looks pretty amazing without looking like a smoothed frame rate. One concern that I have however is a subtle aqua-green overall hue on the projector. I can not acheive any kind of without this gradient. I actually think this may be a defective unit. Has anyone else seen this issue?
I dont see why wider color gamut should mean less inaccuracy? Maybe for the colora the mastering monitor cant display, but Surely the colors the mastering monitor can display, this device should be calibrated to match?
We all know 'cinematic' judder is inherent for 24p film sources... one person is more sensitive than others. Filmmaker mode is the way director intended to. It's also important realize that there is a 'motion' judder at 24p. This can be somewhat reduced in post-production, less lighting or even reducing camera motion (but nearly impossible). For action scenes, the "motion blur" is largely increased by shutter and exposure. Once it's there, hard to remove in post-production. That's why manufactures created Motion Interpolation feature for their TV/PJs.
Thanks Vincent! Wonderful review. I think people's frustration at the "Recommended" comes from the fact that it it's so generic of a descriptor, that really it's not recommended for most people, (70% of U.S. adults play games on their TV/Projector). It would be recommended for a very specific use-case, with specific exclusions, like all gamers. Maybe you could create some subclassifications or exclusions, though that doesn't have the same snappy "Recommended" label. Imagine the reverse though, where it was terrible for movies, but great input lag for gamers. You could end up with two projectors for vastly different audiences but both with the "Recommended" label. If you try and balance out the pros/cons internally, there is always a chance your internal balances are not reflective of the subpopulations looking at your content. I think you will just have to live with people being disappointed that you "Recommend" something to them that doesn't work for them at all. I bet you're ok with that though, kinda the nature of all reviews. 😀 Reality is a middle ground of informativeness with Pros/Cons or "Recommend for.." Award might be more informative and save people time. It's always a trade-off though, thanks for doing what you do!
@FlyYouFools: Thanks for your comment, but we disagree about the generic-ness of a "Recommended" award. It's very clear that any award should only be judged within its product class. For example, we awarded the Panasonic HZ2000 & the Sony A90J our "Highly Recommended: Best in Class" award, does that mean that it's recommended for most people? Of course not! Just those who want the best picture quality from a TV, etc. We have tested a number of ultra-short throw laser projectors, and on balance, the Samsung LSP9T is the best among the bunch (biggest Rec.2020 coverage, deepest blacks, quietest operation, best sound), and on that basis, there's even an argument to give it our "Best in Class" award, but because of the shortcomings we discovered, we felt that a "Recommended" award was fair. We have done our best to mention and demonstrate all the pros and cons of the products we test. There are always commenters who are biased towards/ against a brand disagreeing with our conclusion, but anyone with some common sense should be able to use our review to reach an informed decision.
@@hdtvtest Thanks for the thoughtful reply. If you don't think "Recommended" is generic because it's assigned to a class, then maybe it's the classes that are arbitrary. Are 3D projectors a class, or a feature to be weighted within a class? Bulb type, input lag, lumen class, laser vs bulb, distance from screen, etc? It seems the room orientation is your class driver here. More classes would make the "Recommended" more specific, as most retail vendors break their projectors up based on primary usage and distance is just one segmenter. Like you said, most people can figure it out by watching the amazing reviews, just thought it might realign expectations for people. Thanks!
I like to install additional 7.2 sound system speakers and receiver in addition to the built-in sound of the projector, will it work with additional sound system?
you can use a desktop pc with a powerful graphics card for dynamic HDR tone mapping. For this you need the graphic software renderer madVR and the correct parameters for the corresponding projector. But... is there really no way to calibrate the Samsung to the DCI-P3 standard with the onboard settings?
since there are no native 4k DMDs from TI, they are all 120 or 240hz native, doing pixel shifting to get 4k60, this one is probably around 1440p120hz native, maybe try forcing that on pc with CRU? seems to work on HU810P
Interesting! Even though it’s one of the best UST projectors with possibly best black levels there’s still no competition to standard throw JVC… guess I’ll have to look into standard throw after all.
Screen size. That's it. Contrast and brightness and colors are always going to be better on a tv. But it's hard to find a tv that's 120+ inches in size
@@karenlewis4228 People forget, flat panel displays over 80" are heavy. For example, the Samsung Q900 98" display weighed 187lbs/ 84.8 kg vs 25lbs /13 kg for this projector. Also going up to 120" from 100" isn't a small difference in size.
Definitely a fan of your Projector and Ultra Short Throw projector reviews! Hoping you get your hands on more of the newer USTs out there like the O1 & O1 pro from JMGO. I'm the minority in that I prefer to watch everything on some kind of projector over Flat Panel TVs and I believe Ultra Short Throw projectors are going bring projectors in general to the mainstream very soon. The experience as well as the comparable image quality is worth the money compared to spending $100,000 for a similarly sized Flat Panel TV that has none of the flexibility if you happen to move to a new house, apartment, etc. Keep up the great work and MORE UST REVIEWS PLEASE! LOL
Hi Vincent- great review and timely from my perspective as I was looking at projectors- My issue is that I don't have dedicated space for a dark room, so the projector would be used in my lounge and subjected to some ambient light- The second issue I have is that my speakers are inwall and can't be relocated to allow for a bigger screen and the room is quite long- Sitting position is 6m away with no option to reduce that distance due to layout and interconnecting spaces. The speakers in wall pretty much eliminate the use of UST projector as there are no Acoustic Transparent screens that are also ambient light reducing. Can you recommend a forward projector that will work well in ambient light that is native 4k capable?
HDTV I would like to get a new TV soon would u be able to recommend one that will be better picture than my current 2014 panasonic 50ax802b that's not an OLED my dad has a 2016 panasonic dx900 and I looks amazing tbh so I would be happy with another led thats 50 or 55 inch panasonic AMD Sony are best for natural looking and amazing picture quality from what I know is that right could any off the sonys compete with my current TV and at best evan my dads dx900
Wow you got copyright claimed by fox for The Greatest Show. That sucks. Legally you probably would win in court but the court system is way over priced and getting your attorney fees is hard.
I really like tri-laser UST projectors for their extremely high coverage of Rec.2020. I wishfully hope their brightness gets to competitive levels with OLEDs & LCDs
According to Gregory from cinemapassion this projector has 1300:1 on/off contrast in calibrated mode and it goes up to a maximum 1800:1 uncalibrated. That is very good for a projector that cost 1000£. It's still fine for 2000£ but it's utterly trash for a projector that cost 7000£. At this price anythying below 10 000:1 native contrast should not even be taken into consideration.
@George Popescu: Lol, that's your own totally unrealistic requirement of an ultra-short throw projector based on one single parameter... are you citing Gregory's numbers while conveniently ignoring his conclusion? "At the time of writing this conclusion, if I were to update the ranking of the elite UST projectors (which will of course be done later this year), the Samsung SP9T would take a brilliant first place."
@@hdtvtest sure, we can talk other parameters if you like. Good DLP projectors are known for razor sharp pictures and best motion resolution , with very little judder in 24p. Sure, all DLP's have rised blacks and rather poor contrast in dark scenes compared to liquid crystal chip based projectors but as i pointed out they offer other things. This samsung it's a very expensive DLP that offers none of those qualities that are specific to good DLP's. If I have to guess , the main reason for lack of sharpness is the mediocre quality of the optical block. Sure, the image might be very good if you compre it to a chinese UST that cost 2000£ but we are talking about a projector that cost almost as a brand new Dacia Sandero. For that much money I think it's a bad deal. Probably half of the price is just becouse its Samsung and it has nothing to do with production and distribution costs.
@George Popescu: That's your point of view as someone who prioritise value for money. Compared with all other Chinese ultra short-throw projectors on the market, the Samsung LSP9T delivers superior black level, brighter and more colourful images, quieter operation, better sound, more comprehensive Smart TV apps availability, not to mention actionable warranty in the country of purchase. We're not sure why you're bringing up DLP projectors, because none of the *ultra-short throw* DLP projectors we've tested offer all the advantages you mentioned. It seems that you're mixing up *ultra short-throw* DLP projectors and regular-throw DLP projectors. Stop projecting your own budget and requirements on everyone else... just because you think this projector is a bad deal for you doesn't mean it applies to everyone else who's in the market for an ultra-short throw projector. As professional reviewers who have tested more ultra-short throw projectors than we can count on one hand, Gregory & us seem to agree that the Samsung LSP9T is likely the best of the bunch, so we're not sure what credentials you have to dispute our conclusion beyond your bias and deliberate ignorance of market reality.
@@hdtvtest so if I am not an ISF certified calibrator that means I'm ignorant? come on, this is below you! ,,superior black levels'' when the contrast is under 2000:1? you might want to rephrase ,,slighty better black levels'', it would be more appropriate colorfull images? sure, they ditched the color wheel solution for a triple laser which is a step in the right direction for high end market but, and it's a big BUT here. Color wheel allows for razor sharp images even with cheap optics. If you spread the colors in 3, like Epson is doing with their LCD's and like Samsung is doing here, you can achive much better color lumminance but the downside is that is much harder to align the pixels properly so you need a very good optical block, with the best glass you can fit , in order to compansate. Samsung thought that they can get away by using cheaper, mediocre lenses that are found in most DLP's but they just can't do that wil triple laser. 3LCD have the same problem, they need very good optics to have sharp images.
@George Popescu: As expected, your reply is all "me, me, me"... from your point of view as someone who haven't seen/ tested a boatload of *ultra-short throw* laser projector. Again, since you're beating around the bush without answering before, we ask: 1) Which other *ultra-short throw* projector has superior black level? Slightly better is still superior. 2) On what basis are you disagreeing with Gregory and us that the Samsung LSP9T is likely the best *ultra-short throw* projector on the market today? Can you name us a better *ultra-short throw* projector? Again, you're being willfully ignorant about the merits of *ultra-short throw* projector and the market situation, and it's nothing to do with ISF certification.
@@kiisseli1337 that's exactly what I said, projectors at the high-end are commonly 5 figures. You're the one to insinuate what you did. 7K for this projector isn't much given that projectors at the high-end are five figures
Not interested in 60hz projectors, even less in 24hz ones. I would probably be interested in a 120hz or higher for big screen gaming :-) Also I never watch movies in 24fps as I can't stand the stutter so motion interpolation is a must for me to at least 60hz.
@@kiisseli1337 well a 120" white/gray screen costs like 5-700 here for a good elite screens one. A projector 3000 with a very good pq. Only issue, it has to be dark. but blackout curtains aren't that expensive.
@Heimkineast: So? Even Dolby Cinema projectors costing hundreds of thousands of pounds can't exceed that peak brightness, but the screen size and immersion more than makes up for it.
@@hdtvtest No need to get defensive, I am well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of UST projectors. They just need to get a bit brighter in my opinion to be able to compete with big size TVs.
@Heimkineast: Everyone should know by now that no projector can ever compete with a direct-view TV in terms of brightness. But ultra-short throw projector is the fastest-growing display product for a reason: you get to watch a 100-inch (or larger) picture without the installation logistics/ space requirement/ high price of a 100-inch TV...
The second you said it can't display 24fps properly I lost interest in this model
Thanks for the review Vincent! Was waiting on this one. Sadly , for the price and the shortcomings it looks like I will be waiting a bit longer to replace my projector. Great review.
They probably know their market better than me, but I'm always surprised the investment put into the sound quality. People dropping 7K pounds on a projector + screen are the same people who are going to have a dedicated receiver and surround sound speakers right?
For the price, I would rather buy an 85 inch OLED TV...
@@ezerratchaga 85 inch OLED TV vs Triple Laser 130 inch projector.......🤔🤔🤔
@@macho9556 yes, if you are building a home theater then sure.. I myself have a dedicated one with a Sony laser projector. But short throws are generally marketed and used as a TV replacement. In those use case, especially in the hall or bedroom where you don't have the kind of batcave a dedicated theater room has, an 85 inch OLED may be a better choice. It's all down to use case. Again, if you're using it in a light control room with the space to sit at the appropriate distance then sure...
@@ezerratchaga this exactly my dilemma atm. I keep flipping between a short throw a 85 oled and a long throw.
@@ramahsakul6850 if you have the space for a dedicated hometheater nothing beats a 10 feet wide screen and beyond.. and if you have the budget long throw the likes of Sony laser and JVC will give you the best quality. All short throws are using TI DLP chips which are ok in a slightly lighter room but in a perfect batcave, their contrast issues will be very noticeable...
If on the other hand, you're looking for a general purpose display for your room or hallway where there are always going to be ambient light, the definitely an OLED. There is just no competition in terms of picture quality... especially now that 85 inch OLEDs are sort of in the same price range as these short throws...
Lacking proper 24hz is a deal breaker at this price range.
All pixel shifting dlps are working at 60hz. This is not necessarily a problem if there is also decent frame interpolation. I use mine on low and get a completely judder free image.
As an LG HU85 owner, this is definitely the biggest drawback. Overall I am really pleased with it, and there are a number of benefits over a long throw equivalent but it does leave me knowing that I will need to replace this projector sooner than I would like since the judder is frustratingly noticeable.
good thing Fox made that copyright claim because I definitely could have watched the full video content and gotten the full enjoyment of that video by watching your TH-cam clip from it... /s
Does that mean his video got demonetized?
still waiting for a 4k hdr VRR 120hz hdmi2.1 projector with sub 20ms latency, before I upgrade my 11year old FHD one.
Same. I've been thinking for the next house that I'd want to put my hdmi 2.0 4K screen on the bedroom wall, and use a ultra short throw projector 4K120hz HDR VRR projector in the living room. I like the small form factor, and with a motorized screen you could still have a nice, subtle interior design... but at this rate, I may just have to buy a large 75" due to the tech not being in the markets, or when it is, it's going to be incredibly expensive compared to TVs.
My situation as well.
Bummed, but not totally surprised to hear about the motion handling, but overall sounds like right now, this is “the one” as far as UST projectors go. Ordered mine last week with the Epson 100” screen, so this makes me feel even better about my purchase!
How are you liking it so far? Thinking about getting one
I think this is the first Samsung review I've seen in years that didn't mention DV or lack thereof. Great review as always Vincent!
No consumer projector supports Dolby Vision currently.
@@hdtvtest How much was your back-hander from Samsung for the recommended award?
@Crimson King: We are not paid by Samsung for the "Recommended" award, so your accusation is false and baseless. Ultra short-throw projectors appeal to a segment of the market who wants the biggest screen size possible, watchable in a room with some ambient light, not necessarily placing that much importance on picture quality. What 100-inch to 130-inch TV can you buy for £7000, without the headache of the installation logistics/ space/ etc.?
We have tested a number of ultra-short throw laser projectors, and on balance, the Samsung LSP9T is the best among the bunch (biggest Rec.2020 coverage, deepest blacks, quietest operation, best sound), and on that basis, there's even an argument to give it our "Best in Class" award, but because of the shortcomings we discovered, we felt that a "Recommended" award is fair.
We're always honest and transparent in our reviews, constantly seeking to point out the pros and cons of all products we test to help potential buyers make an informed decision. Disagree with our findings (measured using reference-grade equipment & experience across many years) if you want, but do not accuse us of accepting back-handers, thank you.
@@hdtvtest It was still clearly a sales pitch for the projector from BOX though, who supplied you the unit and paid you for the reward.
Bingo!
Thanks Vincent for all the time and effort you put into your reviews and videos!!
$7k, no HDMI 2.1, no 24HZ playback. Ouch.
I guess Vincent shouldnt like this cuz the colour space exceeds directors intent XD
Nice review as always Vincent! I got a question regarding brightness. Is it meant to be watched in fully dark room and how much ambient light is allowed for good viewing experience. Also, did you use it with special screen or is enough to project on the wall (i dont see it bundled with any kind of screen)?
Can the colour accuracy be calibrated?
What was that artifact on Daniel Craig's face and head around the 2:59 mark?
'Rainbow Effect' (RBE) that's caused by the moving colour wheel on a DLP projector. Some people can see it in real life, some people it's so bad that they cannot watch a DLP projector at all.
@@benwhittle7204 I'd never seen it captured with a stationary video like that. That's not reassuring.
Lack of 24Hz and 50Hz is not really excusable at this price point.
I know right? and that input lag was shocking, yet he gave it his award?? Possibly the worst review I've seen from him
Typical Samsung, they’re trying to be like Pre-2019 Apple so bad it’s sad!
Europe should be 60hz or vice versa by now. (Universal format) How much 24fps so you watch. Forget its 10,000 dollars without a multiple 1000 dollar screen! I have a 300 dollar UST and one that 20,000 dollars. (3 total) The 300 dollar one is worth it. The other two "expensive" ones aren't. Unless you have money to blow. It's supposed to be price per inch. For about 12,000 dollars minimum, let's say on this UST.....you can buy SIX 65 inch LG OLED C1s and get a much better image and lag time by far. Buy FOUR 77" LG C1 OLEDs. These were supposed to be 150" or so and way less for the money. Screen is a must. I'll take my 300 dollar UST at 150" but, not my 20,000 dollar UST. I have a reason and the means for it. 99.9999% of consumers (we consume a crapload) shouldn't but this. The point was portability and way less per inch for USTs. This projector and others screw thar up. Again, you need a huge fixed screen on the wall and thousands upon thousands of dollars for that. Even on the best of the best, ambient light will always be a bigger factor. They have gotten better but, for 10,000 plus without screen, it's should be way DAMN better and about 2,000 dollars maximum. That 2,000 is still about 2,500 with a garbage screen.
@@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO Stupid comment. Clearly, you don't understand Pal vs NTSC. If out, Pal is superior for watching movies over NTSC and NTSC is superior for sports. They both have their flaws and advantages. The point is at this price point tech should support both.
@@Venomynous I knew you would cherry pick that. Notice, I said vice versa for a universal format. I unfortunately do understand it and you couldn't tell the difference. One damn sentence, as per usual, humans enjoy discussing because they think they "got ya". I get that crap. So, you want me to run my 20,000 dollar UST projector and 7,000 dollar screen in 50HZ. Should I watch 1973 BBC programs or how about Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo in 144P? Stop the Pal NTSC crap. I'm talking about a standardized 60hz or better 50hz for all signals. I usually discuss this garbage with a 149 dollar Walmart TV. On this channel, these are high end TVs and projectors. So stop with thr gotcha BS. I've forgotten more than you know about this garbage. I've consumed and owned them all as a bored wasteful human. No more of this. I'll let you discuss PAL vs NTSC. I guess your little device corrected to "Pal". I'm not your "pal" but, it's PAL. Oh, you must not know about any of this. Sarcasm. I don't cherry pick crap to debate. It is about a 15,000 dollar setup, minumrn with this projector and you are replying to me about PAL vs. NTSC? Although, this technology garbage is meaningless. How many times do I watch 8K or upscale well on my 8K OLED TV? Answer = Once when I tested it for about 40 seconds. All of this is meaningless. Even the most nerdy of you people watch maybe 2% of your content in 4K. Let alone 120hz or anywhere close. I'd say maybe 3% at even 1080P. Say maybe PAL vs. NTSC is the thing to discuss. 99.9999% of all home viewing is at 1080i or 720P and 60hz or 50hz. I'd pay so much more for a TV or projector that upscales better and get rid of 4K, 8K and 120hz BS for marketing. Thr consoles can't even produce 4K@120FPS. (PC another story but WTF do you need at 4K@120FPS? Nothing.) I've done it with simulations and other tome washing crap. 1080P@60fps is more than enough and I have 30,000 dollars worth of sim rigs, wheels, flight sticks and other wasteful stuff. Years of chasing this garbage out if boredom. It's like high end audio, where you can spend 10 million dollars on a system. It is the hobby of chasing the perfect sound or perfect image. If you get there......THEN WHAT? Emptiness. Too much? Rhetorical.
Maybe you do have a point, but I guess you spend 15,000 dollars on a 4K laser UST projector @ 130 inches to watch broadcast TV. GTFOH
Thank you Vincent! I would love to see more reviews from you on Laser TVs as this year there are many new promising releases such as Epson LS-800, LG CineBeam HU915QE, HISENSE 100L9G-D12, The Philips Screeneo U5
Nice review, Vincent! This seems to be the best ust projector at the moment. The price, however, is a no go for most of us. There is also the Polaris rgb laser model, which uses the 0.47" chip to keep the cost down. A comparison between this and the Samsung would be nice, since the Polaris is a much cheaper model and uses parts from Hisense.
It's priced disgracefully. My friend demonstrated it to me in hia store and it was great looking images but not qirth that price. I just got an Epson TW9300 second hand nearly new for my brother for around the £1000 mark and this LSP9T projector isn't 5x times better than the 9300 Epson. I also have an Optoma P2 and it's so beautiful aside from the OS but I use a chrome 4k stick and I got it for £2k
1:44 - Surely that would fall under the fair use policy for TH-cam? Must be an automated copyright strike.
Yes, it's automatic... we just couldn't be bothered waiting up to 30 days for our appeal to be reviewed.
great reviews very in depth. if i had one request it would be to try and get the layman the best in person experience going over the basic features in the video as well as the deeper more technical stuff for the pros. usually these have a kind of balance which is great i think you are among if not the best on youtube. but i again add that what i really on these reviews is when they show us as close to in person as possible the product from the unbox in an easy to understand way before going further.
The lasers are great for a wide color gamut. But the lenses used seem to be quite bad
Great review as always. Does anyone else see the rainbow effect on the back of Daniel Craig's head @ 3:00 ? That's what I always see with DLP projectors and it puts me off having one, I presume there's a different reason for it to be captured in a clip like (chromatic aberration I expect) this but for those who say they don't see rainbow effect that's what it looks like...
I see it
I also see it and I am very sad because we want to shift from a given TV / projector set-up to a LaserTV setup.next :-(
Yes, I see it in my monitor. But, that means that the sequencial RGB laser colours in the DLP can be captured by the camera used in this video. The question is if your eyes/mind can percibe it directly.
@@biogons14 Well since this comment I've actually bought a similar projector (JMGO SA) using the same mechanicals - if you're susceptible you can totally see a rainbow effect, easiest moving your eyes side to side looking at the image... But I can now say it's not really a problem which bothers me on this projector or ruins my viewing. :)
@@The_JimrodWhat I find interesting is that triple laser DLP technology does not help much to reduce the perception of the rainbow effect, however it is an improvement for not having moving parts such as RGB colour wheels.
very helpful review, thanks for the heads-up on the 'stuck at 60Hz' for the tuner and no real 24fps for film - that oput me right off even at £2k new in the UK now. Back to LG OLED TV's for me :)
Hi was this selling for 2k ?
Great review Vincent!
Cuz of high BT2020 , the delta errors are more prominent hence color deviates more in QNED prototype TV shown by BOE. Awesome explanation Vincent ;-)
Vincent, I think you need to include contrast ratio measurements.
I don't think he will get so many samples for review if he does that. He is a calibrator, not an internet joker so he can't bs us with marketing ,,contrast'' and if he begins to post real contrast numbers many comanies will prefer to avoid such review :)
i think the contrast depends mostly on the room
I have seen a website saying even if you turn out all lights in the room just having white ceiling/walls in the room can wash out the image of a lot of projectors
@@TheGgbk you can believe me when I say that what you read it's 100% correct
@@TheGgbk Then in a pitch dark room and/or with an ALR screen.
@@djayjp UST projectors need a special screen, regardless of the room. You have to pay at last 1500 for a dedicated UST screen, otherwise most of the light will bounce on the ceiling.
@1:44 A bit late to find out about this. Was it just a Content ID claim or a copyright strike?
Thanks Mr. Teoh!
Thanks for the review. Does it support Dolby Atmos audio from Netflix contents if I use JBL 9.1 sound bar?
Can't their color accuracy just be fixed thru a firmware update?
Would you still recommend this ultra short shrow projector in 2024?
Thanks for the great review. I am looking to add a Samsung sound bar to the projector. Can the sound bar fit on the wall under the screen without getting in the way of the laser? Thanks - Steve
so there isnt a color wheel but there is still a rainbow effect?
I would have thought MOST people would buy this projector to watch films on. Films run at 24 FPS so a projector that wont display this frame rate would completely kill the main market for this otherwise good projector. It has for me. Is it so hard to convert or make the option available? Is there a projector available in this format? I really wonted to buy this until I watched in a local shop a film presentation, the judder drove me mad. On same films not so noticeable but bring in the action and ohh dear! If you notice such things it will drive you mad and for $11,000NZ a very expensive disappointment.
Hi..i really appreciate your educational content, but I'm sure i speak for the majority or guy, when i say I'm waiting for you to review some budget laser projectors, like between the 300-1200 $ range please. Thanks
what about the new lg projectors? was hoping you would review those as well
They are pretty good but not as good as the Samsung.
How does image look with non tension pj screen?
Please review the new LG 2-Laser long throw projector. I’m weighing outdoor lawnchair drive in theater for my back yard and am weighing the options.
*so the HDMI ports are 2.0 and not 2.1?*
I am looking for a dust cover for this product but cannot find any ? wierd since something so expensive
Thanks for the Review Vincent,
hopefully we see some improvements on the next refresh/model to incorporate some of the issues you brought up such as frame rates, input lag and my wish is a black model option.
i'll be seriously looking at one of these for my next upgrade from my current 82 inch, unless we see some 100inch+ similar priced Flat screens TV next year, which i can't see happening.
i'm willing to sacrifice picture quality within reason for screen size for immersion
Now we just need the upgraded model before the 2022 world cup :)
Hisense is making a Tri Laser for the 2022 model, I believe it will be introduced in September of this year.
For the money, this is definitely worth it!
I feel like we're at least 5 years away from these types of UST projectors being a great option (cost efficient) for a home theater setup.
2-3
@@kiisseli1337 That would make me extremely happy.
You mean low budget? Because Flat Panel TVs can only hit 90" and they cost WAY more than this projector does. Regardless, you have the O1 and O1 pro on kickstarter and THOSE are Ultra Short Throw projectors with lasers in the $800- $2,000 range if you want a low budget Ultra Short Throw Laser Projector at the moment. Ultra Short Throw projectors are becoming cost efficient THIS YEAR.
Hi , how many ANSI lumens? For real?
How about brightness?
Can you mount one of these if you dont have a tv stand
For the money, the Hisense Triple Laser Short Throw with the screen is the easy pick, especially at this point with some price decreases.
@2:35 "ultra short throw" 2:50 12:21 (+ probably other timestamps)..think these are deserving of the little bell sound in future vids
HDMI 2.1?
No.
nope
@@hdtvtest V sauce: How unfortunate.
@@hdtvtest short and sweet
It's a 60Hz display.
Thanks Vincent for this review. I have been using a 0.44” DLP chip single laser UST projector for 2 years, the only thing I dont like is its poor contrast performance, black looks greyish instead of black. Do you think this Samsung using 0.67” chip is noticeably better in black level and is worth the upgrade? is it also true that the black level contrast performance on any OLED is miles better than any of these UST projectors? Thanks
Only projectors that come close to OLED black are JVC's with DILA chip. This Samsung has a bit better black levels than your current projector but it's not night and day difference.
@@georgepopescu1327 I'm beginning to think that JVC should get into the UST market also
@@macho9556 if they will use DLP instead of DILA chips, there won't be anything worth buying. That laser JVC NZ3 for example has horrible contrast.
@@georgepopescu1327 Yes, deffinetly a JVC UST with triple lasers and DILA chip. Not DLP
@@georgepopescu1327 Yes, the NZ3 has too much bright and no iris control for a home theatre use. And mainly it is a BenQ design!
Do it have MEMC
Can you please do a video comparing this to LG’s UST? And the Hisense Trichroma UST if it ever comes out.
How would compare the Samsung p9 UST against the Sony UST projector
Sony VPL-VZ1000ES it's a much better projector
Vincent why do you like extreme colour accuracy so much. I like good accuracy but I love a vivid looking dolby vision images. I am not talking about the crap you see on TV showrooms but slightly oversaturated natural colours are so beautiful.
What willl you consider the best UST projector right now?
I'm getting 24p fine. In fact, if I turn the clarity settings on and put at the #2 setting it looks pretty amazing without looking like a smoothed frame rate. One concern that I have however is a subtle aqua-green overall hue on the projector. I can not acheive any kind of without this gradient. I actually think this may be a defective unit. Has anyone else seen this issue?
How you get the LG Good Old App List not this new
I dont see why wider color gamut should mean less inaccuracy? Maybe for the colora the mastering monitor cant display, but Surely the colors the mastering monitor can display, this device should be calibrated to match?
how can you turn the brighness down/?
We all know 'cinematic' judder is inherent for 24p film sources... one person is more sensitive than others. Filmmaker mode is the way director intended to. It's also important realize that there is a 'motion' judder at 24p. This can be somewhat reduced in post-production, less lighting or even reducing camera motion (but nearly impossible). For action scenes, the "motion blur" is largely increased by shutter and exposure. Once it's there, hard to remove in post-production. That's why manufactures created Motion Interpolation feature for their TV/PJs.
Thanks Vincent! Wonderful review. I think people's frustration at the "Recommended" comes from the fact that it it's so generic of a descriptor, that really it's not recommended for most people, (70% of U.S. adults play games on their TV/Projector). It would be recommended for a very specific use-case, with specific exclusions, like all gamers. Maybe you could create some subclassifications or exclusions, though that doesn't have the same snappy "Recommended" label. Imagine the reverse though, where it was terrible for movies, but great input lag for gamers. You could end up with two projectors for vastly different audiences but both with the "Recommended" label. If you try and balance out the pros/cons internally, there is always a chance your internal balances are not reflective of the subpopulations looking at your content. I think you will just have to live with people being disappointed that you "Recommend" something to them that doesn't work for them at all. I bet you're ok with that though, kinda the nature of all reviews. 😀 Reality is a middle ground of informativeness with Pros/Cons or "Recommend for.." Award might be more informative and save people time. It's always a trade-off though, thanks for doing what you do!
@FlyYouFools: Thanks for your comment, but we disagree about the generic-ness of a "Recommended" award. It's very clear that any award should only be judged within its product class. For example, we awarded the Panasonic HZ2000 & the Sony A90J our "Highly Recommended: Best in Class" award, does that mean that it's recommended for most people? Of course not! Just those who want the best picture quality from a TV, etc.
We have tested a number of ultra-short throw laser projectors, and on balance, the Samsung LSP9T is the best among the bunch (biggest Rec.2020 coverage, deepest blacks, quietest operation, best sound), and on that basis, there's even an argument to give it our "Best in Class" award, but because of the shortcomings we discovered, we felt that a "Recommended" award was fair.
We have done our best to mention and demonstrate all the pros and cons of the products we test. There are always commenters who are biased towards/ against a brand disagreeing with our conclusion, but anyone with some common sense should be able to use our review to reach an informed decision.
@@hdtvtest Thanks for the thoughtful reply. If you don't think "Recommended" is generic because it's assigned to a class, then maybe it's the classes that are arbitrary. Are 3D projectors a class, or a feature to be weighted within a class? Bulb type, input lag, lumen class, laser vs bulb, distance from screen, etc? It seems the room orientation is your class driver here. More classes would make the "Recommended" more specific, as most retail vendors break their projectors up based on primary usage and distance is just one segmenter. Like you said, most people can figure it out by watching the amazing reviews, just thought it might realign expectations for people. Thanks!
I like to install additional 7.2 sound system speakers and receiver in addition to the built-in sound of the projector, will it work with additional sound system?
Best ust projector you’ve tested… does this mean it surpasses the sony VPL-VZ1000ES you reviewed 4 years ago?
We didn't have enough time with the Sony.
@@hdtvtest Bummer, but it would be astonishing if this surpassed a projector that costs 4x as much
For the 120" projector, would there be a problem if I projected to 123"? That's the size of my screen. Thanks! :)
Can you pls Test the Xiaomi 1S?
Can you review TCL's new flagship led C825 ??
Yes, I am sure everyone in South Asia is curious about this. Mr. Teoh will get a lot of new followers!
@@PotentChr0nic i already pre ordered lol i hope it will be worth it.
you can use a desktop pc with a powerful graphics card for dynamic HDR tone mapping. For this you need the graphic software renderer madVR and the correct parameters for the corresponding projector.
But... is there really no way to calibrate the Samsung to the DCI-P3 standard with the onboard settings?
since there are no native 4k DMDs from TI, they are all 120 or 240hz native, doing pixel shifting to get 4k60, this one is probably around 1440p120hz native, maybe try forcing that on pc with CRU? seems to work on HU810P
but there are some native 4k TI, Barco have native 4k on their high end models
Interesting! Even though it’s one of the best UST projectors with possibly best black levels there’s still no competition to standard throw JVC… guess I’ll have to look into standard throw after all.
I would love to see a video about general advantages of having a projector setup instead of a TV setup
Size!
Screen size. That's it. Contrast and brightness and colors are always going to be better on a tv. But it's hard to find a tv that's 120+ inches in size
Value per size too!!
Which includes subjective Picture Quality [which of course is dependent on light control of room].
@@karenlewis4228 People forget, flat panel displays over 80" are heavy. For example, the Samsung Q900 98" display weighed 187lbs/ 84.8 kg vs 25lbs /13 kg for this projector. Also going up to 120" from 100" isn't a small difference in size.
Definitely a fan of your Projector and Ultra Short Throw projector reviews! Hoping you get your hands on more of the newer USTs out there like the O1 & O1 pro from JMGO. I'm the minority in that I prefer to watch everything on some kind of projector over Flat Panel TVs and I believe Ultra Short Throw projectors are going bring projectors in general to the mainstream very soon. The experience as well as the comparable image quality is worth the money compared to spending $100,000 for a similarly sized Flat Panel TV that has none of the flexibility if you happen to move to a new house, apartment, etc. Keep up the great work and MORE UST REVIEWS PLEASE! LOL
Lasers. The future is now!
Please test aura xgimi
And the Fox ban had to be challenged, citing a case of fair use. It always helps me.
Bonjour pourquoi jamais de sous titres français ?
So… shall I get this one? :D
I just don’t understand why any 21st Century display tech has to have a fixed display rate. Why!?
Hi Vincent- great review and timely from my perspective as I was looking at projectors- My issue is that I don't have dedicated space for a dark room, so the projector would be used in my lounge and subjected to some ambient light- The second issue I have is that my speakers are inwall and can't be relocated to allow for a bigger screen and the room is quite long- Sitting position is 6m away with no option to reduce that distance due to layout and interconnecting spaces. The speakers in wall pretty much eliminate the use of UST projector as there are no Acoustic Transparent screens that are also ambient light reducing. Can you recommend a forward projector that will work well in ambient light that is native 4k capable?
"quite good to hold in the hand" - no ding ? I'm seriously disappointed :D
I'll buy one when they are £999.
I would 2999€
Yeah... And I'll buy a Ferrari when they are €5000,-
idiot
@@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag yea, good luck with that, twat.
woot
btw vincent theres other sources of pixelated content you could use to test :P
HDTV I would like to get a new TV soon would u be able to recommend one that will be better picture than my current 2014 panasonic 50ax802b that's not an OLED my dad has a 2016 panasonic dx900 and I looks amazing tbh so I would be happy with another led thats 50 or 55 inch panasonic AMD Sony are best for natural looking and amazing picture quality from what I know is that right could any off the sonys compete with my current TV and at best evan my dads dx900
Wow you got copyright claimed by fox for The Greatest Show. That sucks. Legally you probably would win in court but the court system is way over priced and getting your attorney fees is hard.
Need it to have separate RGB Lasers and an ALR screen.
SO DONT GET THIS FOR PS5?
I wouldn't recommend it for a PS1.
@@nunyabusiness8156 I THANK THEE
I don't recommend a PS5, or anything else Sony makes. Sorry.
-No 3D support I guess...
Does anyone have any recommendations for a good projector. Budget is £800 - £1,200
The Xiaomi/Wemax 1080p projectors (not the 4k versions) similar to the one in this review are in that ballpark and very good.
Depends what you want, but Epson TW7100 is quite good
Excellent review, Make a comparison with ls500
Thought you were reviewing a bath tub from the thumbnail.
£7000 and has ads in it's menus, yikes.
I really like tri-laser UST projectors for their extremely high coverage of Rec.2020. I wishfully hope their brightness gets to competitive levels with OLEDs & LCDs
Projection don't work like TV's. If you have too much light on the screen, black levels are compromised and the overall image is trash.
According to Gregory from cinemapassion this projector has 1300:1 on/off contrast in calibrated mode and it goes up to a maximum 1800:1 uncalibrated. That is very good for a projector that cost 1000£. It's still fine for 2000£ but it's utterly trash for a projector that cost 7000£. At this price anythying below 10 000:1 native contrast should not even be taken into consideration.
@George Popescu: Lol, that's your own totally unrealistic requirement of an ultra-short throw projector based on one single parameter... are you citing Gregory's numbers while conveniently ignoring his conclusion?
"At the time of writing this conclusion, if I were to update the ranking of the elite UST projectors (which will of course be done later this year), the Samsung SP9T would take a brilliant first place."
@@hdtvtest sure, we can talk other parameters if you like. Good DLP projectors are known for razor sharp pictures and best motion resolution , with very little judder in 24p. Sure, all DLP's have rised blacks and rather poor contrast in dark scenes compared to liquid crystal chip based projectors but as i pointed out they offer other things. This samsung it's a very expensive DLP that offers none of those qualities that are specific to good DLP's. If I have to guess , the main reason for lack of sharpness is the mediocre quality of the optical block.
Sure, the image might be very good if you compre it to a chinese UST that cost 2000£ but we are talking about a projector that cost almost as a brand new Dacia Sandero. For that much money I think it's a bad deal. Probably half of the price is just becouse its Samsung and it has nothing to do with production and distribution costs.
@George Popescu: That's your point of view as someone who prioritise value for money. Compared with all other Chinese ultra short-throw projectors on the market, the Samsung LSP9T delivers superior black level, brighter and more colourful images, quieter operation, better sound, more comprehensive Smart TV apps availability, not to mention actionable warranty in the country of purchase.
We're not sure why you're bringing up DLP projectors, because none of the *ultra-short throw* DLP projectors we've tested offer all the advantages you mentioned. It seems that you're mixing up *ultra short-throw* DLP projectors and regular-throw DLP projectors.
Stop projecting your own budget and requirements on everyone else... just because you think this projector is a bad deal for you doesn't mean it applies to everyone else who's in the market for an ultra-short throw projector. As professional reviewers who have tested more ultra-short throw projectors than we can count on one hand, Gregory & us seem to agree that the Samsung LSP9T is likely the best of the bunch, so we're not sure what credentials you have to dispute our conclusion beyond your bias and deliberate ignorance of market reality.
@@hdtvtest so if I am not an ISF certified calibrator that means I'm ignorant? come on, this is below you!
,,superior black levels'' when the contrast is under 2000:1? you might want to rephrase ,,slighty better black levels'', it would be more appropriate
colorfull images? sure, they ditched the color wheel solution for a triple laser which is a step in the right direction for high end market but, and it's a big BUT here. Color wheel allows for razor sharp images even with cheap optics. If you spread the colors in 3, like Epson is doing with their LCD's and like Samsung is doing here, you can achive much better color lumminance but the downside is that is much harder to align the pixels properly so you need a very good optical block, with the best glass you can fit , in order to compansate.
Samsung thought that they can get away by using cheaper, mediocre lenses that are found in most DLP's but they just can't do that wil triple laser. 3LCD have the same problem, they need very good optics to have sharp images.
@George Popescu: As expected, your reply is all "me, me, me"... from your point of view as someone who haven't seen/ tested a boatload of *ultra-short throw* laser projector. Again, since you're beating around the bush without answering before, we ask:
1) Which other *ultra-short throw* projector has superior black level? Slightly better is still superior.
2) On what basis are you disagreeing with Gregory and us that the Samsung LSP9T is likely the best *ultra-short throw* projector on the market today? Can you name us a better *ultra-short throw* projector?
Again, you're being willfully ignorant about the merits of *ultra-short throw* projector and the market situation, and it's nothing to do with ISF certification.
£7k ouch!!
Projectors at the high end are commonly 5 figures.
@@Tential1 This is not high end projector. 5K JVC is.
@@kiisseli1337 that's exactly what I said, projectors at the high-end are commonly 5 figures. You're the one to insinuate what you did.
7K for this projector isn't much given that projectors at the high-end are five figures
Panasonic jz please 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️👍
There's quite a bit of rainbow/color flashes that I can see. Reminds me of the BENQ lk970. Laser rainbows
I wonder if thats due to the camera/youtube compression?
Not interested in 60hz projectors, even less in 24hz ones. I would probably be interested in a 120hz or higher for big screen gaming :-)
Also I never watch movies in 24fps as I can't stand the stutter so motion interpolation is a must for me to at least 60hz.
projectors can have nice specs and features but from what I’ve seen they usually have a downside that TVs do much better in
Yes but find me a 120” tv for 7k.. i’m waiting 🤣
More like they have huge size and crappy image without good room, or at least ALR screen.
@@kiisseli1337 well a 120" white/gray screen costs like 5-700 here for a good elite screens one. A projector 3000 with a very good pq. Only issue, it has to be dark. but blackout curtains aren't that expensive.
Watch out oled burn in is a huge problem
It is so optimized i'll call it the Cristiano Ronaldo of TVs
Bright and punchy HDR? Seriously how bright does it get? 100 nits?
Of course, it is by projector standards. :-) And it surpasses 100 nits easily even on a 130-inch screen.
@@hdtvtest Even if it's getting close to 200 nits we're still talking SDR levels of contrast, right?
@Heimkineast: So? Even Dolby Cinema projectors costing hundreds of thousands of pounds can't exceed that peak brightness, but the screen size and immersion more than makes up for it.
@@hdtvtest No need to get defensive, I am well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of UST projectors. They just need to get a bit brighter in my opinion to be able to compete with big size TVs.
@Heimkineast: Everyone should know by now that no projector can ever compete with a direct-view TV in terms of brightness. But ultra-short throw projector is the fastest-growing display product for a reason: you get to watch a 100-inch (or larger) picture without the installation logistics/ space requirement/ high price of a 100-inch TV...