When it comes to Speed boosters for BMPCC 4k is the Metabones really $400 better than the VILTROX?
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Yo thanks for changing the lighting and the intro. I can see you better and the intro music didnt kill my eardrums! Thanks!
I really really like the way you explain things... some people be puttin your boy to sleep lol
I use viltrox with my bmpcc4k and sigma18-35, and it works just fine.
Do you have any vignette problems with the 18-35?
@@gsanchez922 i can't say it is a noticable issue. The only thing which i can say is a bit of a trouble is a slight blur on the corners of the shot at a lens wide open. It is noticable only on still shots made on my Lumix gh4. Video picture is of no trouble. Don't have experience enough to tell whether it is a viltrox caused issue, or a peculiarity of some other sort, but the advantages of using this booster (a wider shot, additional stop, and a possibility to use a razor sharp sigma 18-35) are stronger, than any possible misperfections. The result is amazing, and that's enough for me)
My Viltrox didn’t fit my 18-35 sigma lens I’m sending it back tomorrow and just ordered the metabones for $645
I totally agree with you, For $200 its a steal... but after using the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 with my bmpc4k the sharpness and quality I was achieving from my bmpcc4k made it hard to compromise. So now I have a piggy bank for the Metabones mft mount for the bmpcc4k.
I got the BMPCC4k Metabones 0.64 XL Cine version. No more wobbly lens, that alone is a revelation. The SB mount also matches the base of the camera that add extra security to the whole lens, adapter and body. Its great, looks like FF and I'm selling the Viltrox.
I got the cine xl bmpcc version too. Can we chat here and exchange some lens experiences. Its insanely difficult to research credible information, the metabones website is crazily outdated. Currently favourite lens is canon 24-105 is f4 as its completely powerfocal and turns into f2.7 and works with IS. Would like to try tamron g2 24-70 vc but unsure if it works, same as sigma 24-70 os. Website doesnt state if stabilisation is actually supported... Let me know your fav lenses
Viltrox is trash 🗑 I’m sending it back lol cant even use my 18:35 sigma lens.. just ordered the metabones
I have both. After a couple months of the Viltrox EF-M2 I switched to the Metabones XL.64. The difference was quite significan. The $650 was a hard spend but the overall image quality was absolutely worth it.
Amen! I use a viltrox with my rokinon lenses and my sigma 18-35 works great
My sigma 18-35 doesn’t fit on the Viltrox
Was super stressed about which speed booster to get. Your vid really put me at ease, and I feel a lot more comfortable getting the viltrox now. Thanks so much!
Thanks for the good content brother but I respectfully disagree! I've used both and not only is the Viltrox softer but the doesn't handle backlight(flaring) all that well, and doesn't maintain the highlights nearly as well either. Starting off it isn't bad but I recommend stepping up to the Metabones or just actually getting the 6K and avoiding the adapters all together!
I've had the Viltrox for a while now. I still haven't picked up an EF lens, yet, to try it out. Thanks for your experience. I think the Viltrox is a valid choice. When it comes to criticism, the social media section of independent film making tends to be overly critical these days. I think many people are attached to specific brands and mindsets. Sure, in most cases, you get what you pay for. But, not in all cases.
I have the Viltrox too and I despiiiise that milky crap. That being said, I bought it simply to have the option to use EF glass with a wider FOV. This does the trick and I just don’t go lower than the original F/stop. Problem solved! I prefer using the native Meike cine primes anyways, so the Viltrox is there more to fill a focal length void when needed.
There's no free lunch when it comes to optics. That's the only issue I've ever had with Viltrox. I've owned a Viltrox adapter for Sony for 5+ years. It's an 'Ok' adapter with 'OK' build. That's what you get for your money, an 'OK' adapter. It's not a Metabones killer or the equal of the Metabones. The image is soft and hazy wide open from the ones I've seen and from the one I own.
So for my money, it doesn't make sense to put compromising optics on a camera the quality of the pocket 4k. I can find other places to save money, but I draw the line at lenses and adapters.
And your image is OK for TH-cam, but would I deliver it to a paying customer? I don't know, probably not. You gotta make that choice yourself.
The other thing is Metabones hold value and you can either keep it and use it with every m43 camera you buy or sell it, for very near what you paid for it. Trying reselling the Viltrox anywhere near retail. ;)
Facts
It works fine. I've seen from test it's a bit sharper though. The new speedbooster seems to be worth it since the optical element is closer to the sensor.
I just got the M2VII and it works just great. I am full manual focus with manual focus lenses , no problems at all. I also never shoot wide open bc most lenses sux wide open anyways. You put the wrong thumbnail of the Viltrox by the way.
I use the adapter from viltrox on an eos m canon. Mamiya medium format lenses. So it is all the clean you will need. The rest of my hard earned milk money went to a Tilta Neucleus N wireless motor focus.
I totally agree with your assessment, the Metabones is waaaayyyy over priced for only slightly better image quality (Law of diminishing returns). I'm using 3 of these with a GH5S and 2 BMPC4Ks. The version 2 model of the Viltrox sells for an average price of S135.00 on Ebay all day long. I have version 1 which cost me $235.00 on Amazon. I recently bought 2 of these on Ebay... $122.00 for the first, then $118.00 for the second on sale. Viltrox is also pretty consistent with updates to the firmware. (Vers. 3.3 currently). These also work really well on photo cameras too(GX8).
How much better is the Viltrox version 2? especially when wide open...
@@BalaKrishna-bq5iz The performance is the same when using the latest firmware update. The difference is a minor cosmetic change.
I use the 10-22mm EF-S on my G85 - image comes out sharp asf 🔥
I see no reason anyone should fork out for a metabones.. unless AF is crazy important to you though autofocus via adapter is never gonna match a native lens
Fair enough.
My personal experience with Viltrox: when I flopped it on (GH4 though) it was not tight locked. Don't know how it behaves on the Black Magic. Metabones is tight locked, no movement at all.
I haven't watched the vid yet, it's more of a reply to the title. Viltrox is and will be always compared to the Metabones which has better edge to edge sharpness. And that's cool! But, the Viltrox has an undeniable characteristic that mimics the softness and imperfections of an anamorphic shooting setup, just minus the stretched rays of light and particles. At 4K images can seem really processed and super digital. Viltrox has a nice organic look. But it's a creative choice like choosing Cooke lenses over Zeiss for the softness and warmness off the bat. Each element is a tool for storytelling. Wide open, the vilrox EF-M2 is a character all her own. Definitely usable, especially if it fits the narrative. Thanks for uploading. As always, I appreciate content that promotes conversation. I hope to work with you one day.
Oof! Speak facts my guy! I shoot 2.40 with my pocket 4K and I use the EF m2 and it’s dope. Love the look I get and so do my clients.
@@falconawesomeness1141 Yeah right? It's a dope combo.
nice comment and nice taste man , thanks for convincing us..
sometimes sharpness isn't look that we want
Thanks!
There's a major difference if you do proper testing. There's a video that shows just why Metabones is the right way to go.
I watched several test videos before buying a speedbooster. I went with Metabones because I want the best and just good enough.
I have both. They both work.
I have no issues what so ever with my Viltrox. And you have to know any lens open wide will be soft and hard to focus. Come on people. This issue is like Mac vs PC. Point is there are other alternatives that works, don't piss on everyone elses parade.
You explained this so well my man. Honestly you put things in perspective. Thank you Thank you.
Thank you for the comparison info. I appreciate it!
if you open ANY! Lens to it's widest aperture, it will be Soft, Even without! a Focal Reducer.
Depends. Zeiss Milvus are sharp wide open edge to edge and maintains that all the way to f8
I'm on my second Viltrox ef-m2. My first one worked great for about a year, but then all of sudden just stopped communicating with my GH5. I decided to pick up another one (ebay, brand new at $108). This time it was the version 2, and so far so good! No problems. I'd still recommend the Viltrox for those on a budget. You could pick up just about 6 of them before you reach what one Metabones costs.
Great, thats the recomendation i was looking for. Thanks
I have 2 viltrox & 1 metabones I picked up from FB marketplace for $300, honestly I don’t notice a difference...
at lowest f stop??
I'm with you dude, you are speaking sense, but but, im one of those guys that hates using something that would not give me optimal optical results, now in reality it prob would not matter a great deal but I just could not bring myself to buy the viltrox and went for the metabones. Now maybe if the bmpcc4k produced video that was as sharp as a razor I could make the sacrifice but this is definitely not the case, the bmpcc4k is overly soft even with the most optically primed glass so this is what swayed me to put up the cash for the mb. Also, don't forget that the mb speedbooster holds it's resale value very well so in the long run it's an investment when you later decide to change camera systems.
With my experience yes and no.
Yes - it works no issues
NO- veltrox does a great job and it does the job! Might experience a little issues with certain lenses.
Extremely sound advice. Thanks.
You helped me for sure with my decision brother.. Thanks Family!
How about purple fringing ? Because it a big problem with speed boosters ?
I'm looking forward to that comparison with the "made for BMPCC4k" Metabones. Will it make any visible difference? One thing to throw out there is that Viltrox makes a no-glass adapter for EF (and unmodified EF-S1) to MFT adapter and it's closer to US$100. You don't get the 0.71 field of view adjustment or the light-concentration to up the effective f stop, but there is zero optical degradation. That 16mm lens would be like a 30mm (35mm full frame equivalent) instead of about a 22mm with the 0.71 speedbooster adjustment, so it goes from "very wide" to "a little wide" but that's still a very useful focal length. For serious budget shooting, I can recommend the EF-S 18-55 with in-lens IS (about $60 used) on the no-glass Viltrox. The big negative is that you are nowhere near f1.4 for low light, and not much shallow depth of field, but to get going and shooting, it's a solid option. Then add a "with glass speedbooster" (either Viltrox or Metabones) later.
HALLO!VILTROX supports the is of any lense on the bmpcc 4k?
How bout things at a distance? you're close. mine will not focus distant things under F 5.6 on 24mm
You can get a viltrox ef-m2 adapter new on Ebay for $100 less than on Amazon. You just don't get 2 day shipping.
I love the studio look... It's like a Classic Hip-hop video... really Flat
Yes it is, if you are a professional. Viltrox really affects any lens sharpness, and is really bad with flares.
I managed to get a used Viltrox EF-M2 for £65 from CeX here in the UK. I'm fully aware the metabones is a lot better in terms of performance wide open, but can't justify the eightfold increase in price. It's a way to use the 18-35 I already own with the Pana G7 I picked up on the cheap and eventually with the BMPCC4k until I can pick up some native lenses to use for video.
i use the viltrox with my original Bmpcc and it works amazing. to milkiness
which viltrox did you buy for the original bmpcc
i got the zhongyi lens turbo years ago and never looked back. Focus is great wide open.
I use Viltrox m2 and Aputure Regain (that uses the same optic as metabones), and yes there is difference between those adapters. Viltrox have bigger "self illumination" of white details on image, and it could be reduced by adjusting inner optical element - slightly moving it closer to sensor. About mount to bmpcc4k. Viltrox fit just perfect without any free play (in my case) I read reviews where Viltrox have some infinity focus issue, but I cant reproduce this with different position of inner element, may be this issue appears with auto focus.. I don't know.
at what F stop the viltrox becomes sharp and not hazy?
Got to twist the glass inside the viltrox bro. I did it and WOW my image is super Sharp
Hello from Bulgaria bro! Can you tell me what is on your neck? A headphones or mic? Because you voice sound really good.
That’s just a Bluetooth headset for my phone lol I’m using a mic off acreen
@@FlashFilmAcademy Thanks for your fast reply! I also prefer my Sennheiser 416
I use my Viltrox EF-M2 on a Canon 24-105mm, and it's kinda annoying to focus. I have to change to the back focus on the adaptor to choose if I want the long end or the wide end to be able to focus. Also, one thing that people aren't talking about is that it's quite fickle - autofocus and IS don't work on either of my lenses. Still, I wouldn't pay the price for the Metabones either!
I use canon 24-105 and IS on Viltrox EF-M2 works, as I can see (switch on/off it on lens side and you will see movement of picture ), and auto-focus will not work on SB too may be excluding latest one.
What about optical image stabilisation - it works good?
So I was on an out door shoot yesterday for the first time with my sigma 18-35 leans with viltrox ef-m2 ii speedbooster and It would only go to f11 this normal?
For connecting Sigma Glass into a Sony Camera, would the Viltrox be better than the Sigma MC-11?
Thanks dude
I feel like having a 4K camera and 1.4 lenses...its pointless to have a cheap adapter that makes your image look like mud. You could use a zoom 2.8 with it to get it a bit better. The "hard to focus" thing is just it being very unsharp. And the Metabones BMPCC XL adapter is the best out of them all. I have one myself and i dont regret it, except that i should have bought the Ultra instead...
Does that mean the Viltrox is "designed" for the pocket 4k? I'm guessing it is not because it will work on any micro 4/3 mount.
I could not seem to find the Viltrox for Nikon F mount lenses. Have you heard of one?
To be honest no
@@FlashFilmAcademy What about metabones? Or in your opinion just purchase Canon mounts for the MBPCC?
Thanks!!
Nah you don't need the metabones speedboosters that are specifically designed for the blackmagic. There is hardly any difference. The difference between metabones and viltrox is significant though. I would recommend getting a second hand metabones one or just save up for a new one.
I have the older Viltrox booster (no electronics MF only) for $99.. out of the box had to check back optic and tighten set screw. Basically 95% as sharp as straight (no optic) adapter. What it gives me on my BMPCC4K is a DX sensor size (1.5x crop) on my custom BMPCC4K MFT sensor (1.9x crop). Do I wish there was an adapter that got me a 1.1x or 1.0 crop? Hell yeah.. but no one makes one. So I’m missing out of on the interesting aspects of (in my world) of vintage lenses or recreations of vintage lenses from Lensbaby, (Twist 60, Velvet etc) and Lomography (Degaurotype Achromatic- similar to Lensbaby Twist 60). These and say old Nikon/Canon/Helios etc 1950’s-1980’s MF lenses have a nice look in full frame and don’t impress much on a 1.9x crop or even 1.5 crop... looking through the center portion of the lens which by today’s standards isn’t sharp, but also lacks the sides and corners where the artifacts of vintage lens design and wear and tear become interesting. Not for everyone, but still. Ok.. guess I need to get a Nikon Z 6II with my Atomos or even a Sony of some sort for those shots...
The Viltrox I have to increase the aperture by at least a stop to maintain sharpness. Not what you buy a speedbooster for.
Yep. Another happy Viltrox customer here. Using the EF-M2 with my G85, Tokina 11-16, and Sigma 18-35 and have had excellent results. I'm sure the Metabones is built better and has slightly better image quality, but I'll never notice.
Do you think this Viltrox speed booster would work with the Z Cam E2c?
I think when I get the pocket 4k I'll just use MFT lenses their now that bad right now I have the 12mm 2.5, 25mm 1.7 and the Rokinon 50mm t1.5...... I'm thinking of getting the Rokinon 12mm and the 35mm and in the future maybe 1 zoom lens if I ever have to run n gun
What were the odds?!?! I just started looking into this, although, I’m actually trying to just get another speedbooster to live on my gh5 while my metabones XL love on my bmpcc4k
Question: do you know if the new CFexpress Card Type B RAW With read speeds up to 1700MB/s and write speeds up to 1400MB/s would work with blackmagic 6k?
What for $200. I make my MFT an s35, 1 stop faster and I can use ef lens? I'll take it anytime.
Are you able to pull auto focus on a bmpcc 4K? I set this up with canon EF 50 mm on a bmpcc 4K but the camera doesn’t show the f-stop of the Lens neither does auto-focusing transmit to the lens from the camera. Does yours work or are you pulling focus manually?
BMPCC 4k with the Ultra 0.71 Metabones using with a Rokinon 16mm lens but the Metabones does not allow me to close the ires on the lens and picture is overexposed in bright sunlight even in 100 iso. Not sure of the workaround other than an ND filter Any suggestions?
Did you film this video with the BMPCC4K?
Thanks bro can u get that M2 II and test it for the masses, metabones must not have u on the pay like others lol..
Smh, I love the Viltrox.... im not paying any of the Pixel zoom in 1,000,000 times looking for BS.... it works... version 2 like you said though...
So what does the p4k specific metabones offer over the previous metabones?
not any much difference, i would prefer the previous meta bone as you can u it with other micro 4/3 camera bodies
I got one after watching this video and for whatever reason, my footage always looks soft, and trying to get infinity focus is damn near impossible.
you have to adjust the glass within the housing till you achieve infinity jus saw it in a video
Are you using a blackpro mist in this video by any chance?
No I'm not even sure what that is
@@FlashFilmAcademy what!? I highly recommend for pocket 4k/6k users. Especially the 1/8 version. It makes digital footage look more film like. Then again... whatever you did in post seems to have mimicked that look.
It's basically a filter used in big budget films. My friend did lighting for Indiana Jones and told me about it but there was no such filter on the market until more recently. I would definitely check it out. 1/4 and 1/8 are amazing. Especially for skin. It's like having a diffuser on your lights and the sun.
man i got the tilta g2x gimbal for my pocket and the dang motor blocks all my cables... if i balance it the other way it leans too much haha i screwed up.
It is simply impossible to justify Metabones as costing more than half the price of thr camera itself. M4/3 is keeping the overpriced metabones alive.
Zebra Zone made a video about this, but it doesnt matter to me cause I just have the kit lens to my camera and dont even have the money for these.....yet >:D
Hey. Nice video man. I am having problems with my viltrox ef-m2 II attaching my quarter inch tripod mount to a gimbal quick release plate. Did you have any issues like that as well?
I didn’t have that problem at all
@@FlashFilmAcademy oh thanks man
I’m willing to go even further than you are here..they’re both a waste of money to me. I just bit the bullet and bought specific Micro 3/4 CINEMA lenses. I found the increase in quality over using photography lenses, as well as the usability of them far more attractive and better to work with. I bought the full Rokinon set and I’m far happier than all of my canon glass.
I have the Rokinon Cinema DS complete set but in EF mount which is a more future proof mount and is why I use a Viltrox, which works just perfect. Some people don't want to buy into MFT lenses and the new 6K is a perfect reason for that not to mention RED's,Canon and higher end video cameras can use EF mount and Vice a versa.
@@ekphotography How wide do you open your Rokinon lenses in terms of Fstops
Easy yoke Films never wide open. But like 2.4-2.8
I’m so confused idk if I need a speed booster or not. Will canon lenses work with BMPC4k right out of the box or do I need to get metabones?
Canon lenses are an ef mount. Bmpcc has a micro 4/3 mount so yes an adapter is needed.
You WILL need an adapter it’s up to you if you want to get a speed booster or not
I have the viltron and the Sigma 18 35. Its all okay. I actually can't film on F1.2 but fuq that. f2.0 is good enough, f4.0 is the best but yo.
Can we use bmcc to Nikon metabones speedbooster on gh5
The metabones bmpcc adapter is made specifically for the BM I would not use it in a GH5
The Cine lock on the MB is worth the money...Viltrox is too milky/hazy ...your eyes look soft...dead give away....people will spend $2000 on a lens and then feed it into a $130 adaptor ...not a smart move.
I have the bmpcc4k and I need an adapter to use it with the Xeen lenses, do you think could be a problem with Viltrox?
If you have an expensive lens like the Xeen which is 2500 each. You shouldnt be putting a $150 adapter at the back of a lens like that. 650 is still very cheap on the metabones for the kind of lens you want to use.
@@EasyyokeFilms The lenses are not mine, I will rent them for a short film
I've only used a Viltrox from the start. The minute differences that may or may not be there, do NOT justify the $400 price difference, unless you're super anal and got money to burn. Honestly, when I pair my 18-35 with the Viltrox, I still sometimes find it to be too sharp. Often, I'll slap one of my Super Takumars on there, and get what I'm looking for.
Got my viktrox for $115 on eBay
Used meta ones is 300$ …
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Thanks!