Speedrunner Caught CHEATING a World Record Live During Games Done Quick Marathon
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- Games Done Quick is an awesome event that raises money for charity while showing off great speedruns, but unfortunately after over a decade of events, someone decided to cheat at the event.
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00:00 - Intro
00:56 - The Run in Question
04:49 - Analyzing The Run
07:11 - Why Do This?
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Why are all you uneducated people wearing masks ? Stop playing into the LIE
Just subbed. Great video 📹 🍺 🐨
There's no way this is fake. He doesn't even have pizza or a Coke!
Or a good gaming chair!!!
Ikr, a real cheater would at least have a completely real heart monitor and be totally relaxed throughout the run
You have to have the pizza and coke when you rip off...er...speedrun games.
Haha
Well so long as he realizes several months later that he actually did cheat and the attempts to ruin the moderators careers was just a big oopsie. So long as this happens it can hardly be called cheating right?
Making the mother of all GDQs here Jack. Can't fret over every run!
Top tier meme
Now there's a pretty meme. Exquisite!
Not when your cheating on runs... You've never ran a game before. You've never got a PB. You don't know what's like to fight, to steal and to KILL, JUST TO GET A NEW PB!
Typical commenter
Not funny
Didnt laugh
@@createrz8433 No one asked you, man.
Seems weird to cheat a 7 minute run after you've done an hour of high level gameplay. I think he wanted the hype of a WR and cheating 7 mins is a lot easier than trying to cheat an hour
That's not it. He did it to prove how sloppy gdq is anymore. He did it as a joke as well from Reddit posts
@@demiraichan naw. He's a fucking cheater. Idc what he thought was funny lolz
@@demiraichan Please, don't tell me you actually believe that?
He wanted WR at a live event. He'd been practicing and knew he couldn't get WR at a live event. So he put together a spliced run and acted surprise when he got WR at a live event. Then he tried to downplay and act like he did what he did for the community instead of himself.
It wouldn't have even been possible for him to use a segmented run like that if he hadn't been playing remotely, and the only reason he was playing remotely was because of covid restrictions, so the excuse that GDQ has become sloppy doesn't fly. He saw an opportunity and took it. Then when people started questioning the legitimacy of the run, he decided it was better to cut his losses and act like what he did was somehow noble, rather than attempt to deny it and only generate more hate when he was finally exposed further down the line. Saying it was all a joke sounds like he's changing his story too. Maybe the 'passion' excuse isn't really working as well as he thought it'd do.
Look, sometimes people go into business for themselves. It happens. Everybody is inherently selfish and sometimes the asshole inside all of us comes out. Sometimes the people we admire prove they're just ordinary humans. Examine his behaviour objectively and you'll come to the same conclusion. You don't submit a fake run at a live event just because you can.
Unless we have undisputed recorded evidence that it was planned, I put my money on damage control
@@demiraichan "haha, it was a joke guys! I just wanted to show how poopoo stinky this whole thing is! Why are you mad at me?? it was just a joke its funnyyyy~"
Wow. what a believable motive.
That's totally not just something he would say because he is embarrassed about getting caught.
He's totally not just trying to deflect the negative attention to GDQ in an attempt to save face.
The worst part is... this was a donation goal of like 20k or something to get this run in with the (legitimate) main game run. People didn't pay to see a fake run they paid to see a fun run with fun commentary like again the main run.
Also yooo look at me in the chat at 2:43 very cool :D
You aren't wrong, and still pretty shitty, but remember the main goal is to support charity, throwing an extra run is just a bonus, not the main prize. What I mean is, the cheated run soured the experience of course, but that doesn't mean there was a 20K scam.
@@ElbodyRTA Pointless dishonesty hurts the charitable spirit. People don't like being lied to. If someone can cheat, then other things start getting into question like does the money actually go to the charity? Does the charity actually use it for good things?
It's hard to get that trust back. Why introduce this sort of thing when the donators are giving their heartfelt feelings and contributions when a jackass is fine with breaking that trust and lying for some attention?
@@tadzy1360 nice
Those cringe woke donations worst part of gdq
the crazy thing is that if he had cleared it with the organizers ahead of time they probably totally would have let him show off a segmented run, but since he faked it and claimed it was real he's getting dumped.
Exactly. The use of a segmented run wasn’t the issue. Pretending it was a live run (and letting GDQ promise donors a live run only to do something different) was the issue.
Probably not as it's a donation goal. It's like showing a TH-cam clip as a donation goal.
@@Seven_Leaf but showing a brand new never revealed segmented run? That's exactly the sort of thing that speedrun fans would eat up. Segmented runs are a great way to show off techniques that you would never use in a marathon. Also, TASblock is a thing and those are similar in concept.
This guy's "passion" motivation could pass off as a Metal Gear villain monologue.
War Crime this Code of Conduct that
This guy literally could've made a TAS if he wanted to instead of going up there and cheating. One of the most talked about runs this year was the Ocarina of Time ACE TAS. Nobody minds if you do sequenced runs as long as you're honest about it. Some people make TAS and segmented runs to show the full potential of what games are capable of. There is no reason to lie about it when TAS and segmented runs are respected in the community.
His excuse is so bad too. "The bank robbery technically wasn't illegal because I didn't plan on taking the money home with me. I expected being arrested because I told people I was planning the heist months in advance and thought one of them would call the police on me. I'm just really passionate about bank security".
TASs take way more than 2 months to make lol
@@Martykun36 Yes.
@@Martykun36 You can also do a LOTAD (low-optimization tool-assisted demo), which is basically just savestates and slowdowns, but with real input instead of frame-by-frame TASing.
LOTADs are honestly one of my favorite kind of tool-assist run, because they're not as perfect and they're more like a proof of concept for a theoretical usually-human-possible perfect run.
while he could have called it a tas there could have been a few reason not too for example the tas block is not at the best hour for views and if your trying to get people to the game then you would want the best time for views. then there is the fact that if the insensitive was for a tas compared to a real run would it be met or even accepted.
@@mdartfeld That is a very good point. He said he was “passionate” about speedrunning so in my mind someone who does something out of passion would do it not caring about how many views it gets. Also this was a segmented run. Not a TAS. There is an audience for segmented and TAS runs but most people watching AGDQ want RTA. You’re completely right in that it’d not get as much attention nor would the donation goal be met.
"He said that he did it to show off the game's maximum potential, and it wasn't meant to be passed off as a real run."
That's such BULLSHIT. Literally could have achieved this by just doing the run legit, then telling viewers to go watch the segmented run if they wanted to see it maxed out. God knows he had the opportunity to do that if he gave a 3-minute speech after the main run.
Yup. If you wanna just show a theorectical best run you can do it with tas or segmented runs.
No one would be mad if it wasn't a bullshit lie.
This all sounds like how a compulsive liar would behave: gets caught in contradictions, doubles down and says it was all intentional. Gets caught in contradictions again, doubles down, etc. While showing no real remorse at all.
He could have just said that it was a segmented showcase. I am sure they would have allowed that seeing it was short.
Absolute, 100% lie. Sounds like a narcissist who's unable to admit they fucked up. Mentality of a child.
I think he means he created the segmented run to show off the game's potential, not that that is his reason for playing it live
I have a strong passion and abiding love for the medium.
That's why I intend to harm the health and credibility of the medium at the time when it is most vulnerable, thus casting the concept of remote-live speedruns into doubt in perpetuity.
I also wanted people to know that the run was not legitimate. That's why I didn't stop playing before the incentive to say "OK, _THIS_ part is a fabrication", and why I only explained my actions *after* I was confronted by my peers.
What an absolute spanner. Disgrace to the hobby.
Killing GDQ would unironically help the speedrunning community quite a lot.
The thing is, this speedrunner is a veteran and a good one at that and have attended various GDQ events both in person and remotely for like couple of years now. So is utterly a surprise to anyone why he would even pull something like this. It seems like you can't just trust anyone these day and every run must be closely monitored for any sort of abnormalities regardless of the runner's reputation.
Seems to me that his tangents make more sense if you replace "passion" with "attention"
“Passion” is such a vague positive term that it’s pretty meaningless except for rhetoric.
@@DarkZerol Expert runners are the only ones likely to get involved in serious cheating scandals. Noobs make things too obvious and get caught easily, experts are better able to cover it up with their knowledge of the mechanics and are also more likely to get seduced into thinking they "deserve" WR, because they do genuinely work hard and have a lot of skill.
Passion my ass. Literally the only reason to cheat at a speedrun is to get WR. All his excuses are such bullshit, vague attempts to downplay his actions and cover up his blatant lies, and make out like it wasn't entirely an attempt to satisfy his ego. Like seriously? Everyone is asking him why he did it and the best he can come up with is a lazy appeal to emotion? Nah, nobody's swallowing that load of crap.
I just don't get why he'd choose to throw away his future at GDQ over a 7 minute run. Was getting WR at a live event that important?
Some people were guessing that he did it to help promote whatever twitch or youtube channel he had. I say "had" because when I google his name it shows that he did indeed have a twitch channel but it is now closed.
There are a lot of cheated runs that aren't world record, the reasons for cheating go way beyond just getting WR. It's often more about acting out in frustration than claiming a title.
He had a passion for getting world record lmao
@@sanseverything900 you stupid? His twitch channel is still up and running.
Cheating in speedrunning isnt necessarily for world records. Sometimes its just for shits and giggles, doing a little trolling, but its often players who think they deserve a time and for whatever reason have not achieved it yet. Be it from RNG, choking runs, or whatever other reason. This time is not necessarily world record.
The frustrating thing is that the hybrid model was so cool for allowing runners from other countries to easily play at GDQ, and this scandal is going to make things so much harder on those people who genuinely are passionate about speedrunning and simply can’t afford to travel for it.
They're probably gonna have them show a hand cam from now on.
The thing is, this speedrunner is a veteran and a good one at that and have attended various GDQ events both in person and remotely for like couple of years now. So is utterly a surprise to anyone why he would even pull something like this. It seems like you can't just trust anyone these day and every run must be closely monitored for any sort of abnormalities regardless of the runner's reputation.
@@DarkZerol It's often not the newcomers that cheat, nor the people low on the leaderboard. Instead, it's those near the top, grinding endlessly towards a goal, that they start thinking they *deserve* to reach that goal, and so they end up just *making* it happen.
@@AdmiralTails Yup, and also it's way easier to cheat if you're good at speedrunning the game cause you know how to cheat. You know how to make it look natural, you know what are the most obvious signs someone cheats. A newbie wouldn't be able to cheat effectively just because of lack of knowledge about the game.
Russians enough said
This guy cheats in GDQ, gets caught, and somehow tries to make people believe that he’s some sort of martyr because he raised awareness that some people who don’t get the WR are also deserving of attention?
Did I get that right? Because it makes 0 sense.
It's typic cheater defense. Never accept you are "wrong"
Yep
it's a smoke screen defense, just like all his pseudo-intellectual nonsense about passion. Only sounds deep or useful if you don't think about it, like at all. Since it seems to me that a fair number of show cases aren't even ran but WR holders. Sometimes not even past WR holders. It depends on various factors about the particular community and who submits runs and what they are showing off. But the instant you think about things like that, it makes it obvious that all he's doing is hoping you'll buy his BS blame shifting and let him off the hook for his wrong doing and think him as a noble person.
The thing is, this speedrunner is a veteran and a good one at that and have attended various GDQ events both in person and remotely for like couple of years now. So is utterly a surprise to anyone why he would even pull something like this. It seems like you can't just trust anyone these day and every run must be closely monitored for any sort of abnormalities regardless of the runner's reputation.
@@DarkZerol and as one TH-camr has observed, the worst cheaters are the ones who actually are skilled at the game but cheat because they can't handle the grind. It's hardly surprising if you know speedrun cheater history.
When he says "passion," I have to assume he means that he cheated for the same reason Dream did, as in he was already so good at the game that he felt he deserved a better time
Yeah that's the reason most speedrunners cheat
Still not sure why people think this is the reason when he clarified that this wasn’t the case
@@littlemoth4956 literally nothing he says about it adds clarity
@@littlemoth4956 I mean, because... he has the ability to lie?
"You are manipulating the people for more donations!"
"So what if we cheated a few runs, it's all going to a greater cause!"
"But they would have donated regardless of your final time!"
"It was a sacrifice worth taking, Jack! This is all a business after all, you can't play safe all the time!"
He passed a meme and that's all that matters.
That 'checkpoint pop-up' reminds me of the time a speedrunner cheated on Celeste. In that game there are strawberry collectables and in the cheaters run, on a pause screen you could see a similar effect: Some strawberries were already collected. Wich is impossible in a new game.
Meka basically singlehandedly may destroy the entire idea of online runs in GDQ, where non-US runners can participate. I don't think they allow to do this anymore next year.
There's always ESA (Which I like more, the people there aren't as up tight about stuff like the GDQ guys tend to be) which I highly recommend the Barney NES no controller %.
I don't think it's that dire. There are ways to check for pre-recorded sections (you can ask the runner to perform a specific action during autoscroll sections, for example), and nobody is too slick to leave no trace of cheating.
I mean, two years of successful online runs at GDQs with no cheating whatsoever, and the first one to cheat was caught and suitably punished. I don't think this is going to destroy the idea of having online runs. Maybe some stricter guidelines, but doing away with them entirely??? Nah
@@noname76761 i mean you don't know about cheaters untill you catch them.. there could have been other who was just better at cheating.. I don't think there was but you can't say there isn't
tbh meka just seems like someone with a very big ego. people like him are what damage and hurt speedrunning and the community as a whole.
He had a Devil May Cry 4 run as well this year where he was just as arrogant as he was in the Metal Gear Rising run. I thought it was charming the first time I watched, but this has soured it a little
I think he is in some kind of manic or hypomanic episode. both weird speeches he gave were completely intelligible but I think in the moment he thought he was being very deep
"the community" This is the problem
It's not ego. The DMC community has warned about his mental state for a while now. He's got some unresolved mental health issues.
@@JohnSmith-fq3rg what?
“I cheated because of my passion.”
Hmm yes! Remember guys, if you do anything wrong at all like a crime just tell the police that you did it only because of your “passion”
"Your Honor, in my defense, I am -very- passionate about murder."
“In my defense, Your Honor, I am very passionate about domestic terrorism, human trafficking and corporate espionage, so pls don’t put me in jail!”
Ok? Crimes of passion are a thing.
👆🏿Every joke always bring someone to come by and ruin it by being a Karen
@@Coopersville And? It’s just a joke dude relax lol
"You're about to see God gaming. I won't be using marathon-safe strats."
Well, if that isn't a giant red flag...
Cheating in a short 7 minute run after spending an entire hour playing legitimately just to prove a point has to be the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Why not just play the run legit then tell people to go check out the segmented run? You can show off your own skill AND show of the game’s potential. Not only do you not have to shoot yourself in the foot but you also set out to do what you wanted to do and look much better doing it since you were the one who created the segmented run for the community to use in the first place.
Just shows how little foresight this person had in regards to both the good of himself and the good of the community.
Look at various little details about what he said in different places and the way he says them. This was a planned and aimed attack on GDQ. Supposedly setting himself up to be outed. Saying that he didn't think that GDQ would ever admit to his cheating. Inconsistencies and contradictions in his explanations because he's trying to make it look like he did it for any reason other than to rub this whole thing in GDQ's face. There are some real signs that he thought he was going to most likely get away with this or that if he did get a bit of backlash for it that it wouldn't equal the damage done to GDQ.
With this kind of behavior. GDQ may be the one to officially announce they won't accept further runs from him. But it's going to be very hard if not impossible for him to get submissions through at any other like event that isn't GDQ after that kind of behavior.
The thing is, this speedrunner is a veteran and a good one at that and have attended various GDQ events both in person and remotely for like couple of years now. So is utterly a surprise to anyone why he would even pull something like this. It seems like you can't just trust anyone these day and every run must be closely monitored for any sort of abnormalities regardless of the runner's reputation.
"I did a cheated run because of my passion" Yeah chief, very passionate lmao
There is a possibility that bloodshed will occur
I looked at myself, and found him to be in agreement.
Honestly, if he was doing it for the sake of passion, and to show off the game's potential, he might as well have just told the organizers that he wanted to showcase a segmented run ala TAS - that is to say, a would-be perfect run, albeit humanly possible.
In the end, he made the wrong choice, which is a shame because I'm sure nobody would be opposed to such a showcase, probably.
LOTAD is generally what you're thinking of: Low-Optimization Tool-Assisted Demo. Usually it only involves savestates, rewinds, and slowdowns, with a human recording their inputs instead of doing it frame by frame and optimized.
mgr cant get TASd
If he (wrongly) thought they wouldn't let him, nothing stopped him coming clean at the end. And then he'd have to do the run legit as he promised he'd do for the charity money raised.
@@Treblaine He already did the run legit many times, after GDQ he even got a time faster than the segmented one he showed us and got world record
The thumbnail implies that either:
A: Senator Armstrong helped the cheater cheat somehow as a puppet-master
B: Senator Armstrong is about to "Nothing personal kid" the cheater
Either way, interesting results are sure to follow.
"What did you use to cheat this run?"
"NANOMACHINES, SON."
He does hate the internet bullshit so would do something to reduce it
Ah yes, I too cheat runs for P A S S I O N.
It seems to me that he hadn't practiced the DLC enough, felt nervous about dropping the ball after a pretty good run of the main game, and decided to try to use his segmented run so he'd still look good.
Yep. Literally just ego
If so why didn't he just say so? That's so much better of an excuse than "I did it for passion." And even then, why try to pass a WR when a subpar run would have sufficed and not screwed over the entire leaderboard? Closest explanation of this is that he could have made the segmented run before getting accepted into gdq and then chose that he wasn't confident enough to run it, which would explain the bit about saying to not call it a WR (yet), but I still don't buy it given his lame excuse.
There are tons of people who deserve recognition for speedrun achievements. The speedrunners themselves, the people who think up the routes, the glitch hunters, the historians, and the community that supports them through encouragement and healthy competition, to name some.
You know what people don't deserve it? Cheaters.
Thanks for the informative video!
Pretending to be a cringelord is no different from being a cringelord. Meka is cringe either way, so I don't care about his embarrassing excuse. He's a kid who did something embarrassing and lacks the guts to own up to it, which is only pathetic.
But...he did own up to it? It sounds like he had some shaky justification for doing it, but he's not really denying that he did it.
@@qactustick "..." "?" Cringelord
@@TRAMP-oline Wow I was with you in your original statement, but now I think I can see who the actual child is.
This whole situation is just bizarre. His explanation comes across as delusional.
He feels like a boss from MGS, from the way he speaks about passion. So over the top..
That's a nice live run, runner, care to back it up with a source?
MY SOURCE IS THAT I SEGMENTED IT THE FUCK UP!
Imagine a world jack, free of moderators and analysts. A WORLD WHERE I CAN OPENLY CHEAT
Everything this dude said is completely nonsensical and incoherent. He's passionate about the hobby and wants to help it grow, so he gives it a black eye on the highest-profile stage possible? He didn't think tainting the integrity of a showcase that raises millions for charity would do any harm?
He thinks attention should go to the innovators who push games forward, so he shits on people who make world record history videos? Shining a spotlight on the runners, glitch-hunters and theory-crafters who advance the game is EXACTLY WHAT THOSE VIDEOS DO. It's literally the whole point of them.
Absolute delusional narcissism is a hell of a drug.
Absolutely based individual. Speed running community takes shit way too seriously
@@0Asterite0 cringe
@@0Asterite0 i think its kinda funny too. but on both sides. if its silly seeing people get so bent out of shape about it, its even worse that someone was chasing a speedrunning "world record" so hard, he cheated to get it. Autists all around.
I do like the runners who don't submit and just play for the community and against themselves. but the term world record just makes me laugh everytime i see it
@@0Asterite0 Well yes, when someone breaks rules, people tend to take that seriously. He's just an idiot with too much ego.
I don’t understand why he would cheat in the DLC when he already beat the main game really well. It’s only a 7 minute run and he practiced doing it segmented. Would of it been that bad to do like a 8:30 run of it?
then he wouldnt be remembered
@@babyninjajesus2669
But sadly he is now remembered for the wrong reasons
The Armstrong fight as Sam is like 10x harder than the main story fight as Raiden.
And Wolf's campaign is hard in general cuz he plays so differently
Maybe thats it?
Randomly came across this, this was a well done video, and nice of you to drop some awesome speedruns to check out in the end.
Man that's a bummer. Actually watched this run live and was one of my hilights of GDQ. Great vid on the situation!
A simple answer of "I didn't think I had it in me to perform two back-to-back runs live" is all he needed to say. "Passion" is such a cop out answer.
What an amazing video. I love how you kept your bias out of things for the most part. It's nice to let people make their own conclusion.
YES!!! I saw an article about this and I've been waiting for the videos! Let's goo!!! 😭
Screw him! Cheaters always try to use anything they can to justify their crap! It discredits so many communities when they do that shit.
People paid for a bonus legit run not something else. I hope GDQ takes measures to help prevent this in the future.
The thing is, this speedrunner is a veteran and a good one at that and have attended various GDQ events both in person and remotely for like couple of years now. So is utterly a surprise to anyone why he would even pull something like this. It seems like you can't just trust anyone these day and every run must be closely monitored for any sort of abnormalities regardless of the runner's reputation.
@@DarkZerol same with guitar thing :c
@@DarkZerol Sad he threw all that goodwill away on something so stupid.
[No checkpoint]
Monsoon: Are you *_THAT_* stupid?!
I love how no one ever fully comes clean and just straight up says they did it for the glory and spotlight
If I ever did something like that I'd just be honest and tell people im a fucking narcissist lmao
I know, right? Enough people have done this stuff online that I know full well I'd actually be BETTER OFF confessing than lying. If you lie, people know you're lying and they know the truth and they bash you. If you tell the truth, people will still bash you, but at least you were honest and they'll be more likely to believe you if you later on express a desire to change/repent.
A narcissist can’t admit they did anything wrong.
If anything stunts like this turn people away from the community.
As someone who doesn't do speedrunning but has enjoyed watching runs, I believe that speedrunning is conceptually a "coopetition", in that everyone is competing to apply themselves to achieving the best possible runs, but discovering and sharing new strategies with the overall community is a collaborative effort.
In that vein, the integrity of the scene is something that needs to be meticulously maintained. Honesty, integrity, and legitimacy matter more than world records or even discovering new strategies: A cheater's word can never be trusted again.
He is trying to martirize himself so badly XD
You'd think, after working on his segmented run for months, that he could have taken a few minutes to come up with a coherent excuse.
I gotta use that line next time I'm late for work. " I was only late cause I have a PASSION for the employees who work on time"
Waiting around for Jobst to make a video on it now
Passion is just a melodramatic way of saying ego, when someone does something they know is wrong, wants to get caught, and wants to prove they are capable of doing it simply because they can.
Pretty rich of him to call out Speedrun Historians. Speedrun Historians, at least in my opinion, have made the practice of speedrunning more understandable and accessible to a general audience, and have likely generated a lot of interest in it. I love learning about the process and history of these games - it's not meant to be some kind of secret knowledge. Speedrunning is about collaboration, and you can't collaborate without knowing it's history.
Cheating live is just begging to be caught
the excuses are so lame. he should just admit he did it for clout, he wanted a world record during gdq. lying and contradicting himself shows he can't be trusted even after being caught. he's not an honest person and thinks everyone is stupid
i guess he played us like a damn fiddle
- So why did you murder that man?
- Well you know, passion for the community and my love for the craft and stuff
Sopranos, be like.
so cheating is as bad as murder?
Thank you for jumping right into it and not making some unnecessary long intro.
I love the concept of remote runs and their ability to bring speedrunners that couldn't make it to Games Done Quick events, either from being too far from the event space to attend or living in another country altogether. It resulted in some of my favorite runs from A/SGDQ 2021 and AGDQ2022 and the remote marathons introduced us to many new runners from across the planet and gave us many unique games we likely would have not seen otherwise. That's why I was excited that remote runs would be accepted in SGDQ this year and I hope they stick around for the foreseeable future.
The problem with the Blade Wolf DLC run was that it was promised to be done live, as with literally every other non-TAS run, and there were no hints or reveals beforehand that it would be presented as a recording of some form like a TAS or showcase run showing the absolute hypothetical maximum potential of a speedrun.
AGDQ 2022 had so many world records compared to other marathons because many of its games were either recent (Pumpkin Jack, Webbed, Oatmeal), obscure and with smaller speedrunning communities (Kuon, Garshap the Monster Slayer), or otherwise popular/noteworthy games run on categories with not much competition (Sonic 4 Episode II). And I've watched many a speedrun across these marathons and trying to go for a world record on a live marathon is usually very risky and not worth the extra bit of hype. Furthermore, runs that choke in the execution, avoid pulling off very risky time save strats, and ultimately don't set new records can be just as entertaining and thrilling as games that do.
I LOOOVE the "cheaters exposed" series, please make more videos like this! :)
Just don't fabricate fake cheats or falsely accuse people to keep the series going ;-) (seriously though, very well done)
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APROAAAACHING
I'm fine with the comment section becoming a huge meme.
PROVOOOOOKING
Awesome content and delivered objectively with a fleshed out explination
When people get caught they sure love coming up with the most bullshit excuses.
It also shows they think the speedrunning community is full of stupid people that wont realize what they are attempting to do.
Bear in mind, if he’d been honest, this would be less of an issue. The donation incentive is important, since people donated to see a live run.
But let’s assume finishing the main game is exhausting and another run right after might go wrong or over time. Again, HONESTY. People would be disappointed, but they wouldn’t feel cheated if he decided, along with the organizers, to just commentate over a segmented run previously done.
Just say, “this is under review for submission” and then commentate. He sacrificed his credibility for…”passion”, he said? I don’t buy it.
This was one of the only two runs at GDQ I made time to watch live. And even if it's just a small, bonus run at the end, it's a terrible shame that any of it was faked at all. I love seeing segmented and TAS runs, but playing it off as a real run during the largest event of the year is not the time to show them off.
Thanks for shouting out dlimes13 and Josephjoestar316
"my previous run was so good I had to fake the second one to make it better" lmao
really enjoeyed the end where you put some other in the spotlight great vid
such a shame, cuz the initial mgrr run was so good, like he could have just done a non wr run and it still would have still been v impressive. it was also really apparent that he seems to enjoy the soundtrack and be very into the game itself, which is a marked departure from the last guy who ran mgrr at gdq (cramer_, agdq2014 still a v good run to watch)
dlimes' mgs2 run on the other hand was some proper "God Gaming" to be sure, and josephjoestar's run was v entertaining as well, both excellent picks.
not to mention people donated specifically to see this run!
The worst thing about all this is that this could potentially ruin the chances of other runners who can't afford to attend GDQ, but want to do a run from home, from actually speedrunning at the event. What a grimey thing to do.
well they would be dumb then. 99% of the people who watch gdq casually will never hear about this. if they ban remote because of this its a sign that gdq takes themselves way too seriously. its an event of people playing video games for charity, he played a video game for charity, the vast majority of people couldn't even tell the difference.
@@lqa77 It doesn't matter. By that logic he could just go to the bathroom and play WR run on youtube. After all it's still game being played, right? Doesn't matter he didn't do it/cheated? He broke the rules, and showed how EASY it is to do while doing it online
I watched this one lived and I felt something was wrong while I watched it but couldn't really tell. All I said was that he might not return because he cursed lol. Great job to the community and for this channel for putting all the evidence together and noce work on this vid too!
So a note from the mental health field: Those who cite things such as "passion" or other such emotions for things they have knowingly done wrong are usually people going through mental breaks.
There can be thousands of reasons for a mental break, from work/family stress to having a Vitimin B12 deficiency that can cause both neurological to psychological problems.
It sounds like this guy is having a health problem, and this is how it manifested.
I think the worst part is when Meka said he planned on having someone else call him out by telling them in advance that he was working on a segmented run. Like not only are you gonna do something shitty, you're gonna make someone else stress about calling you out?
Does calling out BS stress you out?
@@Mike_Dubayou It does for me if the person is a friend, which seemed to be the case here (I doubt he contacted a rando he'd never talked to).
What saddens me is that there will be dipshits who will use this as an argument against having remote runs live on a GDQ ever again. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but I fear the worst.
Remote is dumb anyway
@@omensoffate Great bait mate, would rate 8/8.
the thing he said about making speedrunning accessible to newbies and how you arent helping the community is completely unfair. ive never attempted a speedrun and i dont intend to, but i find learning about it fascinating. this channel is the place where i can engage with the speedrunning community, and i have no doubt its been a gateway to countless people who wanted to get into speedrunning.
One of my favorite runs this event was Super Mario Sunshine. SB messed up badly about 45 minutes in and had to restart the run, and you know what, no one cared. It was just fun to see him compose himself and finish the run within the estimated time still.
I doubt very much anyone would have even cared if this guy had just told everyone from the start that if it got to the DLC that he'd use a pre-recorded run. It's a bloody charity stream. Everyone's there to have fun and raise money for good causes. Just how massive of an ego must this guy have to do something like that and then give pathetic excuse after pathetic excuse after the fact? Suffice to say, glad he's banned from future events.
Thanks for shouting out other runners at the end there.
12/10 name
Jesus you got this vid out fast. Nice
idk I believe that "last minute" thing.
like his weird use of the word "passion" makes sense in that context. He seems like the kind of guy to feel upset because he did a better run off camera so he cheats this one to simulate his previous run. Then he realizes what he's done but too late now so he finishes, then feels anxiety that he'd be caught and people think he's cheating just to cheat instead of simulate the other run (not that it really makes a difference), and ends up admitting to it
This guy sounds like he could be a real MGR villain, especially how he keeps going back to "passion" as his reasons which end up being hard to follow
I dunno.... Ive seen this TASbot person's runs, pretty sketchy, we should investigate them too
Nah man, TASbot's just that good, GDQ has eyes on them all the time. They can just do things others can't.
XQC has gone too far this time
Not surprised GDQ went online only. Forget Covid, there's been a constant flow of horror stories from these events. Everything from trashing venues to sexual assaults. As a charity event they don't need to be associated with such awful things.
Great video, just a small correction on the segmented run thing. These runs were always run sequentially from start to finish with no "jump cuts" as far as the in game time is concerned. You could save and reload to try a section over and over again, but you wouldn't go somewhere and on the same save go back and the return again, essentially being in this location twice during this one play through. Thatd be splicing, so I think he is cheating even by the segmented rules
It's always such a shame when something like this happens
Well somebody call the president!
Don't call him. He has no idea he's even alive LOL
Good video, keep it up!
He should have been honest up front, ez as that.
I mean, I agree that cheating on this run made it have a lot more eyes on the game's speedrunning community, but I find it extremely hard to believe that that was his intention when he did it.
Then again, the fact he did it on GDQ feels mighty stupid since anyone who does run the game would be (likely) watching him run it.
So stupid that I find it hard to believe he didn't know it would happen.
While I do think that people who focus on new strats and improvements are important, I think it needs to be acknowledged that many of these videos arent detracting from what people did, but giving otherwise uninterested people a reason to care about these good players.
In other words:
There are many examples of speedrunning-related people that were otherwise unknown getting spotlight *because* these videos exist. For example, I don't think many people outside of the punch out community knew who matt turk was based on his accomplishments alone, but yet people know about him *because* of summoningsalt making a video on it. But not every strat has an interesting backstory to highlight, sometimes it is best to just be like "hey, this person discovered this useful thing"
Videos like WR progressions can really help shed light on outstanding members of the community by not only mentioning who set a WR, but who created the strats used, which I do tend to see credited in these videos.
And to think, had he not dismissed the couch and had simply continued looking concentrated during the Bladewolf segment, he likely would not have been as easy to call out on this.
I don't buy for a second that this was "done out of passion", "he intended to be called out", or any other excuse he gave. He wanted the attention achieving a World Record at a Live Marathon would bring him. Unfortunately, it's brought him the wrong attention.
He could have had the insentive be to show off a segmented run of the Bladewolf DLC if he really wanted "to show off the game at its max potential".
One missed information about this is that he was caught by someone who was a mod for his run. They were messaging each other through discord (from what I can tell) and the mod told Meka that he better tell GDQ himself or it'll look a lot worse. But it is strange that before the mod said that, Meka was pretending that he didn't cheated.
Passion, the reasoning he used, is just a placeholder so he can do something that he knows isn't right but lacks the care of how others see his performance.
I wonder if i am good human or no? I had sucks experience with humans in past and live still with narcissist parents and i feel like i want to create weapons/deadly/destroying technologies i had as well good experience with humans idk they annoying me but not all and i think i more love humans
Imagine cheating a run of one of the most fun games to play with.
I love the in-depth coverage of these incidents, but my least favorite part of these is always hearing the lame-ass excuses they come up with for motives. That's no fault of the videos' creators, and kudos for pushing the issue...
But I shudder to think what cheaters like this do IRL for attention.
They keep trying to sue people like Billy Bitchell and crying over their lost Guiness WR like Todd Todgers.
@@neoqwerty Tod Todgers is, and always will be funny as fuck 🤣
Great video!
Great video, you got yourself a subscriber!
If he didnt do it WR pace, and just stayed silent all the way through. He wouldnt be caught lol
Hubris is helluva drug
He probably would. Maybe not so fast, but someone would see that there are some weird things going on in the run
Can’t believe xqc did this smh
Video's gonna get massive. Nice job
He looks like xQC drawn from a 13 year old’s memory.
Oh man, I watched this one live and it was super fun. Seeing everyone in the live crowd and Twitch chat singing along with the music was great, all the button mashing was funny, so it's a shame that that incentive run was faked. Other than that one thing though, this SGDQ was really fantastic. At least this wasn't my highlight to begin with, my highlight in the end was the Ocarina of Time TASBot run, if you haven't seen that run I 100% recommend you go check it out.
Triforce% was amazing and you reminded me to shill it to my friends ty
While this may be the first instance of cheating on agdq, it has been found that people who ran on agdq were cheaters.
I’m curious, do you have any names of any agdq runners in particular that were found to be cheaters that you have in mind? I’d like to look into some of them myself to verify for myself and give myself context rather than just taking your word for it that “people” were found cheating
If you have a source or sources for your statement, that would be great, too!
@@bacchus9389 The one that comes to mind off the top of my head is Cody Miller, who played one of the Halo games in AGDQ. He was a top level player who even got in the Guinness Book of World Records, but when he played the game at AGDQ it was legendarily bad (infamously lowering the difficulty mid game). It was later found several of his runs were actually segmented when they were initally presented as single segment. Someone named RocketSloth has made a video on this.
Came for the drama, stayed for the quality
Well, cheating has happened a number of times on GDQ such as using a backup save or accidentally performing a glitch during a glitchless run, but this is usually explained while it's happening with a point of implying it invalidates the run for actual submission. It's technically cheating, but it's normally not an issue because they're being explicit about it. That's pretty much what this guy should've done.