The MORE EXPENSIVE Mac Pro... - Rackmount Edition
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0:42 i just want the editor to know i really appreciate this bit
RC 1207 same
Agreed. I barely caught it and had to rewind and look at it specifically. Haha.
Had to rewind it, thought I was tripping balls
pay at attention at 0:55 :)
@@GlueRay Omfg. You are one perceptive guy.
the pro falling off at 0:42, shoutout to the editors, keep up the little things
@MX yea
Don’t forget the nuts part
@MX play it frame by frame and no clearly did not.
0:42 lmao
@@ExtremusStupidus u right
Every MacOS audio engineer is looking at this and pitching tents.
like the second i saw this i was jsut like ooo theres the mac pro I would buy. im already thinking of a mobile recording rig using one of these and some dante based stuff. with dante pcie cards i could do up to 256 channels in and out of that mac at less then 5 ms.
@@RicheyAmigoHerplerGaming what do you think about the new M1 Mac mini?
@@LaskyLabs Looks promising. Logic functionality seems amazing for the price right now. However, most pros still use protools. We will see how fast other companies jump on the new hardware. I hope they do.
I mean I want one for our studio....
I dunno - Apple is making it hard for audio engineers to love them. The design of the Mac Pro is stunning, but an uglier, way better performing threadripper PC can be made for way less. Pro Tools runs identically on a PC at this level, and audio editing is rarely as hardware intensive as real time graphics processing.
Logic is great software......but it's not worth spending double on a machine where half the specs aren't fully utilised. Add to this, the reality that future alternatives in the MacOS world will be arm (M1) based, with no guarantees that Rosetta won't be dropped like a sack of hot faeces (it probably will, when Apple decide that it's their way or the highway). All considered, it doesn't seem to me that any low or mid end studio can realistically rely on an intel based mac pro, at that price point, with that comparable performance, where future software support will likely be dropped due to the transition to Apple Silicon, leaving the engineer's pricy boutique plugins (and probably prematurely, the whole OS) quickly obsolete and unsupported.
Consider me a formal Apple guy. It's fine that they want to make these Mac Pros for (only) high end studios, and sell M1 macs as still expensive Facebook machines, but low and mid end studios need something more tangible.
To whom ever took the time to animate that little bit with the "Pro" on the box falling off when Linus hit it.....brilliant job :) I thoroughly enjoyed that little addition :)
Brandon Emerson, how’d u get the LTT thing on your name tag?
@@fasterthanforza7427 he hit the join button
@@fasterthanforza7427 channel membership.
I was like "wait, what was that?" Had to watch that twice.
@@fasterthanforza7427 glad others could answer that I never noticed it until you pointed it out haha
For those curious, the sign on top of the rack says:
Please do not place things on top of
here
This is not a shelf.
As a live sound engineer, I kept yelling at my screen, "this was built for people like me!" Until 11:30, I then found peace when Linus mentioned the intended use for this device. Thanks haha
Hey, thanks for the input, cause I was wondering the same thing until he said this. So why do you need such a powerful computer for sound engineering? Is sitting behind a giant mixing board method obsolete? (Sorry if not using technical terms right I’m am in no way a sound engineer)
@@Stretch501st There is multiple applications for a machine like this in production. My day job is a live broadcasted concert/ church style event. We have a different Mac for each part of the content. one for lyrics, graphics, ect. then for audio specficly, we will use a machine for audio analysis programs, like smaart. your question about power, in the studio world, engineers needs exceptionally powerful machines to process all of the raw audio data. my 16g of ram in my MacBook Pro gets bogged down sometimes for simple processing tasks in Logic Pro X, for example.
@@jomonger-g1f Can't install macOS on any x86 without compromises. Trying to get through your comments but try looking at Apple's Logic Pro website, www.apple.com/logic-pro/, to get started. There's also plenty of youtube videos demonstrating how well the Mac Pro handles music production, whether it's the desktop or rack mounted version.
I also was ready to turn off this video because all he was doing was ragging on the rack mounted Mac Pro because it wasn't a server. Well, duh, it isn't, it's for people who need desk space and, finally said, for people who want to keep it with other rack-mounted hardware. He should have started with this instead of talking about his archaic servers that still use VGA and, probably, DOS-based terminals.
I was so close to commenting that he’s completely missing the point of this machine 😂
@@robeigner4390 Linus was spot-on. There is nothing archaic about VGA in the Data center.
Couldn't you just put a normal Mac Pro on rack shelf? Therefore the comparison was fair, I guess. He told us what normally to expect when buying rack mountable hardware.
Linus 3 weeks ago: "I'm Returning my Mac Pro
"
Linus now: Gets another instead.
I bet he's returning this one
@@jessi74 for sure... he didn't even get the full/good spec. no way he is wasting his precious rack space for a mostly empty 4u.
@@evertchin yeah he needs that space for his new multi petabyte project as he's filled the one they have.
Richard Tech is it a legit business practice to buy something to make video out of it with the pre-intention of returning it?
well racks are not only for server but are used for music production too and in this case the product make sense.
0:40 that animation.. the details..
Glorious
It’s actually pretty simple to do it by masking it and then using key frames but it looks cool
Yea I loved it
0:56 u will see Peanut on it unset of word
I didn't notice the first time watching, good job editors, appreciate the details
Linus at the beginning of the video: This was not intended for server use
Linus the rest of the video: This is a terrible server
@onii-chan's manko bro this is literally a computer faking as a server
lmao it's like calling a bike a terrible motorcycle XD
onii-chan's manko I don’t think it is intended for servers at all, Linus even stated so at the beginning but then decided to review it as if it was.
Other Industries like audio and film use rack mount equipment also and benefit from the specific hardware of these machines.
Pro Audio specifically almost requires MacOS, but also relies on PCIe cards for things like Pro Tools HD and MADI converters.
The new Mac Pro has been hugely popular in the Pro Audio world, since a lot of studios were still running the old Mac Pro towers for their PCIe cards or had to give up their PCIe cards to switch to the trashcan Mac Pros.
It’s basically the first new Mac usable in professional studios since 2012.
Yeah. Plenty of people have or would prefer to have their computers rack mounted, especially in the creative industries were Mac OS stomps on windows. The shape was never just for data centers, and this isn’t a product for data centers.
@@aperture147 I think it's more like a company putting motorcycle parts ontop of a bike but still expecting you to pedal it
I’m incredibly disappointed they didn’t call it the Rack Pro.
Dammit. Beat me by 5 minutes. Well played sir!
He did at 1:13
iRack? Didn't SNL or madtv come up with that joke? Also autocorrect is not recognizing MADtv... Rip
James Rac Pro
Well, In Japan that would translate to "Lack Pro" and Apple just can't handle the negative jokes about their inadequacy.
It’s the little things like “pro” falling off
Thank You! I thought anyone was gonna talk about it.
TBH that broke my brain for a minute
Yeah, that was nuts!
Made me do a double take and cracked up for 3 minutes straight
Or how when he said nuts at :54 the letters turned to nuts
8:37 linus is so powerful he can talk without moving his mouth
Yea lol
Me before this video: looks like just a Mac pro in a sideways case.
Me after video: yup
Apple, always "innovating"...
@JS 09 insanely slow wtf r u talking about
what did you expect? lmao
Yeah, that's the only reason why the ram would be on the bottom, unless everyone at Apple is just insane.
@@Jayda08 Not true. While you can use "any" desktop computer as a server by changing the OS, professional servers are built from the ground up with specialist connections and features like redundant power supplies, 100gb/s ethernet etc, as demonstrated in the video.
This is a desktop that just so happens to be in a rack. Not to be used as a server, but as exactly what it is, a desktop in a rack, for use cases like the music industry.
Before you talked about audio production, I was just thinking you could use that to stream WAN show. You can have it in a rack with say your compressors or rack mounted power conditioner or what ever else you use and keep everything nice and contained.
Rack mount PC's are also commonly used in the film industry serving the role of the video assist rolling edit and playback machine.
Yeah, any situation where you're working with rack audio or video equipment makes some sense for this, easy to integrate into the workspace.
For the money you get nothing. Its literally useless
Absolutely true! I used to be an audio and lighting technician in my high school and a lot of our equipment was rack mounte. If we had a rack mounted macpro we couldve setup and integrate all our shows a lot better!
Mac is disgusting for lighting honestly
@@lemontree15 Qlab is sweet tho
@@techniack it is
Would be a fat overkill amount of money for something like that
This isn’t a server-it’s just a Mac Pro in a rack because audio (and some video) houses have all their other kit in racks.
My work will be getting one because our Avid Nexis is already racked.
Marty McLean also lol that ltt still uses premiere and hasn’t moved on to avid
@@MozTS Avid is an awful company
I was going to mention this in my own comment if nobody else did. Another place you might possibly see this is in a rack-mount in a podium of a classroom.
@@RobertPartridge A mac pro in a classroom... that would be a sight to behold (and a waste of money)
@@Diniles it wouldn't be in every classroom but I can see special cases where it would happen
Best 2 things the rack pro has over the Mac Pro:
-Rack mount
-You can leave the CABLES plugged in to open the case up! (Why Apple? isn’t this on the MacPro?🤦♂️)
Could be due to usage cases.
Apple know there'll be some rich idiots who buy the Mac Pro just to show off like jewelry, will open it while it's running and fuck something up. And let's be clear here. The Mac Pro isn't designed for components to be hot swappable, as Linus clearly said when he pointed out that it has only a single PSU.
Actual pros on the otherhand, are the only people who are going to buy the racked version. And actual pros are either gonna be smart enough to unplug the machine before touching the internals, or they're gonna have trained IT employees who do all that.
It's the difference in Apple potentially losing millions in stupid warranty claims from liars who did something stupid and throw the excuse of "it just stopped working, and idk why" around. You'd be surprised how often people do stupid stuff like this and then claim they have no idea what happened. This is why electronics are so expensive nowadays....because companies have to cover their asses in warranty claims somehow....or they'd go bust in a heartbeat.
Consider how few of these will be produced too, it'd actually cost them a lot to get a motherboard produced as a single unit to replace one which has fried. I guarantee you, they don't just have a thousand motherboards on hand to repair broken units instantly. I'd actually be surprised if anything but the RAM and storage modules could be quickly fixed by an Apple Store, without a month or two wait time for parts. Just like how Linus couldn't get the Apple Store to fix his iMac Pro when Anthony broke the screen and PSU 😂. Again, for a product not intended to sell millions of units, they just don't want to have to make the spare parts ahead of time. Never mind training their staff how to do it before release.
Also, I did note the same complaint on Neil Parfitt's video (which I saw like a month ago) - that at least this model can remain plugged in and that he thought of it as stupid that the regular pro requires cable removals.
Don't underestimate Apple when it comes to design. I promise you, they had their reasons. Just like they usually do with everything they do....like the nifty locking mechanisms they introduced all over these machines to make tool-free maintenance relatively painless.
so you can pay more for that feature.
@@grahamb7947 By your logic rack version should be cheaper
angelyouinloves.link/bMy1ojB_y7Ms
As someone that has worked in a datacenter, the quietness of a Mac Pro would be very much appreciated. Unfortunately when the CTO or CIO asks to spend 15% more for hearing safety concerns at the board meeting, the CFO is going to respond by suggesting earplugs.
And i have another 2 potential use cases. If you have one of those hipster open concept offices with a bunch of people working around the same table, stacking a bunch of Rac Pros in the center makes a much cleaner work place than having a Mac Pro in every gap. Or if you operate like me with your workstation, NAS, and DMZ server all in the same home office, rack mounting them along with a switch and UPS makes a lot of sense.
I could definitely see musicians using this rack-mount version in studios.
I was thinking the same, but it won't be as practial as a macbook though.
And more so on the road. Concerts, film sets, etc. Anywhere there is mission critical creative work being done people are willing to pay whatever price is necessary to avoid throwing away work with very temperamental and expensive VIPs.
benbmusic88 exactly
God no. Just build your own for so much cheaper
DBG certain pro apps aren’t available on pc; such as Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro which are only available to Macs. And there’s too many caveats to Hackintoshes to be used in a professional studio setting.
Holy Crapballs! Thanks for the MEGA shoutout Linus!!
Another spike in views this week then Neil!?
Neil Parfitt I watched all of your videos on it. Wasn’t expecting Linus to shout you out but you deserve the recognition. Those videos were excellently put together.
Well-deserved, Neil, your videos are pretty much the perfect case demo for how to use that computer.
Definitely cool. I’ve already watched all of your videos on it to this point.. so I spent most of this LTT video thinking how your type of use-case is the actual target market.. and then he actually mentioned you specifically.
your videos are 10/10 so great to see a high end audio pro on youtube
13:37
why does linus keep calling my cat? hes mine man, leave him
Raider_Aegis what is 1337
Leet speak for leet
Mölw 1337 stands for ELITE i think
Damn.. U made me 😂 laugh
This is just Linus letting us know he's 1337.
www.google.com/search?q=1337+meaning
0:42
i got confused cuz apparently my brain forgot tf editing is
I liked then unliked cause it was at 42 likes
Same here haha
13:37 I’m not a horse, Linus.
Never heard him do that before but three times I this vid...
1337
@@sihaz1969 It's apparently his latest habit. And it's fucking annoying.
It sounds like a otter clicking at me
@@sihaz1969 He's been doing that for a few months now and it's incredibly annoying.
Dude, my grandma got to see me watching this and told me that's the larger grater she has ever seen in her life...(and she has seen a lot) "You could grate a whole 5lbs wheel of cheese on that". I had to explain it's actually a computer. Then "Mac n cheese" came to my mind.
Lolwtf
Funny, MacNCheese is actually my Mac server’s name on my network! (eMac, not Mac Pro (yes I use an eMac as a server, don’t judge me))
The only place this really makes sense in studios etc. where there are already a bunch of rack devices (compressors, pre-amps, effects units, synths etc.)
The motherboard is almost definitely the same as the non-rack version because it wouldn't really be cost-effective for something relatively low volume to do that which is probably the main reason for the RAM only being accessible from the bottom.
The excessive cost negates the downsides of making a mobo specifically for the rack unit. They can add another thousand to the cost to even it out.
or its made for Racks that are Horizontal instead of vertical, that way you can access both sides of the rack and the IO will feel more easy to access.
>using mac pro in a studio
fucking lol m8
well racks are not only for server but are used for music production too and in this case the product make sense.
So rack mount enclosures for music are typically more shallow than for server enclosures, so in a studio youd probly actually end up having to get a rack mount shelf and lay it on there
Thats a 4U, from scale i thought it was 5 or 6, still looks pretty though
On a side note, not many data centers have dust filtration on the servers, instead its often on the isolated air handlers, i work at a reletively small company, but all of our comm rooms have air handlers isolated from the rest of the buildings with air filtration
Edit
I didnt even consider audio racks, The ones we use at work are either too shallow(projector rooms), or too narrow(in teaching consoles)
So the RackPro's main use case, is where it would need dust filtration, because it will be in a room permanently occupied by dust generators(people)
denvera1g1 it is 5U indeed, Linus was wrong...
To be fair he brought up the same point in his video covering the tower variant of the Mac Pro. Given the airflow through this system it is a weakness
You can tell they're just half assing these videos to get on the negativity boat to get clicks. I've never been a fan of Apple but at least do it proper.
That and they don't allow things that cause dust to be in the air space of those handlers. Cardboard boxes being the largest culprit.
@@caedenw No they didn't. It's exactly what it needed to be for creative types. Lots of people are putting them in their music creation racks for example. Anyone bringing up "datacenters" is a dumbass.
0:42 I like how when the "Pro" fell off the font even changed
I can't help but be constantly reminded of the old skit from forever ago: "Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the iRack!"
What about the iRan?
@@dj92wa2 How about the iPictureFrame, the iLamp and the iMicrowave?
@@Boyetto-san what about the iVaccuumCleaner!?
America is like: iInvade
Three words; Preditor drone incoming.
The way Linus handled it around here was scary, I was waiting for him to drop it.
All I could think was he'd better be careful or not be able to return another one. :)
He did... A little... from 2 cm height
In live remote production (Concerts, Corporate events etc) , a lot of the machines for audio and video are run on OSX, because for years it was seen as more stable and lower latency. This is what this is designed for. The rack would also be handy in things like a TV production truck.
yes i can think when a medium sized TV-station could actually use it for a news truck and even a machine for sending VFX to the mixing machine
I knew that this machine was made for Audio and Video Production and managment
It does not take much to compute that side of production, it would be a very expensive accessory
The only reason apple made this is so linus can't drop it
… once he has it in the rack...
dont underestimate linusdroptips :)
0:55 look at the word MacPro when he says 'nuts'
I actually missed that
I knew I saw something happen but I assumed it was my mind playing tricks. Thanks for making me go back and check.
Is it because you'd have to be nuts to buy it?
0:42 also
When is someone going to make a "Linus making weird mouth clicking noises" compilation?
Lol
Cheese 1337 Your username is a timestamp for such a noise in the video.
haha i was just thinking that
"Linus, do you hate Apple?"
Linus: "Well yes, but actually no."
Well THAT'S still funny and not dead meme at all.
@@ansonx10 damn bro you really got him! ahaha brooo damnnnn
Men thats is osome
Meanwhile apple is thinking: this fool keeps dissing us but then buys all our most expensive products.
@@pocketlint82 Linus isn't dissing Apple. You are hearing what you want to hear. Listening is subjective.
As soon as I heard rack Mac, I was like “yep, for the music studio”
That is exactly what I thought, music and possibly even (3d) design studios would love this
I thought the same thing, but realized that this will not be fast enough to be put in a data center.
Render farms and music studios is where it belongs, it seems
Bullshit.
This isn’t designed for ‘audio engineers’. They might be be the people who can actually use it, but they’re a tiny, TINY market.
It’s designed to sell to people with more money than sense. And it will.
@@A1BASE you dont know anything about the audio industry. This sort of form factor is ideal for use withing a Pro Tools HD studio. Being able to stack your machine in with your preamp, ADCs, and so on would really help to clean up the whole arrangement the studio.
In the Middle East they call it the “I-rack”
John Brigs that’s from nigahiga
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“The iRack looks unstable!”
I guess it's funnier if you don't pronounce Iraq with a short "i" but a long "eye".
@@kansaouri____2672 Nah, he stole that from Mad TV. Look up their Steve Jobs sketch.
LTT: *shows tiny segment of Neil Parfitt content*
Me: *spends next 3 hours watching that glorious Canadian's amazing videos*
Lol you dumb.
@@patrickgronemeyer3375
ok, that's a statement that is completely without reason in the room! if you are still working on a really meaningful one for this, this would be the basis for a discussion. however, your statement is nothing more than a dull and meaningless assertion. greets from germany my friend
Yea im totally hocked aswell.
Imagine not watching his Mac Pro Rack videos since he had 2K subs.
@@tomwi_since2015 LMAO. Says the Mac server man. I need a Mac or I am not a professional. Hhahaahh. If you need a Mac to do your job. You are not a professional. Sorry oxymoron statement. That is like a cop going I can only use a Glock...
LOL whoever edited the "PRO" to drop when Linus hit the box, that was genius! 0:38
Jose Ramos 👌
This is the first time I have seen this product... I’m so glad you got to the point of it being great for music studios.. because I used to work in that industry and all I could think as you gave it the usual “Apple treatment” was that it would be so good for recording setups
I'll tell you another thing it's for - continuous integration / continuous deployment for macOS and iOS apps. One of the things most software houses do is have batteries of tests be run against every pull request (or equivalent) to their repos. Unlike Android, where this can be done against a cluster of Linux (preferred) or Windows servers, Apple is adamant that the only platform which can develop iOS apps are Macs. This creates a problem for doing continuous builds as apple doesn't license macOS for non apple servers or sell their own servers. Obviously this isn't a great answer because of cost, but it's better than existing solutions. The place I work literally has a few 1U server sleds that instead of being servers is a bunch of Mac Minis plugged into an network capable KVM switch. Another solution I've seen (not where I work) is essentially people running hackintosh virtual machines on regular servers, which unfortunately is a clear violation of the macOS EULA. I wish Apple would license a macOS version explicitly for a VM environment so they didn't have to worry about hardware support, even if such a thing cost money. It would end this whole problem if I could just deploy a bunch of 8 vCPU macOS instances on an EPYC Rome server for CI.
11:21 Why would I want my computer in Iraq?
To control bombs.
@@anatolyivanov890 lool
To be a expensive sand blaster.
Anatoly Ivanov idiot
Linus: has his pc on a rack
Also Linus: “why would you have your mac pro on a rack?”
He has it on a rack as it keeps his setup cleaner
For content so people like us can give him views and get him money
@@ghejnuni I uh....... ok
I like that you referenced Neil's series for reference and context.
It's all they seem to fall back to for Mac Pro positives/who is it for
Gotta reference that reference for reference.
@@MrGlk Mac computers in general are for a specific demographic, and everyone one else are just fans that don't mind getting milked.
Me too. I watched Neil’s vids when they first came out, and for the most part his thought process made sense to me.
angelyouinloves.link/8a9Bvwfa0s
Yeah, I immediately imagined this in the studio in my old college. Makes sense for us audio nerds (although I still am on windows)
Didn't know audacity required so much power...
@@nitromenoob sometimes we edit 60GB audio files.
@@nitromenoob lol! You think pros use audacity? Also, what takes up the most processing and disk power is plugins processing audio in real time, and virtual instruments accessing large samples in real time.
@@jackpaice I consider myself a pro, and I do use Audacity. why bother buying SoundForge or something else when that thing is literally free?
@@RinaldoJonathan Woah? What field of audio are you working on, buddy? God bless you for using that horrible program for legit work
This actually makes total sense. Being able to put your computer in the same 19" rack as your audio gear is something that totally makes sense if you're in that line of business. In fact I was even considering buying a 19" rackmount case for my Windows PC for this very reason, but I'm far from being a professional music producer lol.
I never thought of the rack pro as a servery thing. I always assumed it´s made for recording studios or live shows where all the gear is in racks anyway
I genuinely think this is what Apple meant this for
That’s 100% who it’s meant for.
I’m obviously in the production world, but this seemed kinda obvious to me
And this is the comment I was looking for. The Mac Pro in the Rack version, is made for putting it in a studio rack, in studios as an example. Not more. And not less. But, in old fashioned way, things needs to be kinda taking to a point where you turn arround there words before they´ve spoken them. Enough said´.
Well yeah, maybe watch the video until the end
like the video points out?
1:45 Yet Another Linus Drop Tips Clip Right There!
I'm just curious if the door of the rack closes with those Mac Pro handles
Yup, those little lovely things when you have an install job, integrate components that cost $$$$$$ and go "f!ck". Good thing most racks don't bother with doors, and some have adjustable front posts. (Good luck repositioning them if they're already loaded.)
0:40 did anyone else see the logo fall off
Lol o didn't notice that lol
Mac Pro: we charge $400 for wheels.
Rack Pro: hold my beer.
Only $500 for rack is better deal than $400 for wheels lol.
People who bought wheel feel cheated now :))
@@tuanseattle nah, anyone who bought the wheels is too retarded to realize they were cheated.
@RunFor OurLives Sure, if in insane bizzarro consumerist universe, where you from, people's worth and intelligence is measured by how much money they acquired by any means and then blow off on irrational expenditures. Trump must be a world-renowned genius of Einstein's level. Have you already took your intelligence-enhancing mortgage ?
This episode was hilarious, from the removing/keeping it part, to the windows versions - pure fun and laughs :)
As an audio engineer I appreciate it being rack mounted as most pro audio gear is rack mountable as well
Commented too soon, didn't you.
If you want easy transport, Apple was kind enough to give you 2 choices:
1. The several hundred dollar wheels
2. The several hundred dollar premium for a rackmount
Or skimp and install a retractable shelf on which to sit the over priced Apple PC on. Either way it slides in and out of the rack.
@@IraQNid This is a very logical solution
@@boocraftgaming the most logical solution is to skip apple until they stop building their hardware with ivory and unicorns
@@nicholashaines4136 except some people literally can't because their workflow depends on unicorn magic
Lol that's peanuts for any professional.
I'm a music producer and near the start when you were slating it, I was thinking to myself, but this would be great in music production where everything is rack mounted lmao
But then id have to use mac os D:
@@GuhbsBeats youre making it sound like thats bad
are we not going to talk about how the "pro" falling off at 0:42
GABURIRU
Linus has become too powerful. Not even logos are safe from dropping
Maybe it's cause Liunus tosses these computers around like frisbees instead of delicate electronics.
angelyouinloves.link/FjwFODhZ1b0z
I've spent more time looking at the magic happening at 0:42 than I have for the rest of the video
My university has video editing rooms and all of the sound and input equipment is rack mounted. These would make a great replacement for the old Mac Pros that they have just sitting below the rack.
Nice to know LMG didn't burn down over the weekend.
@Nurdasake Linus Media Group
Because you can't schedule youtube videos? ;)
Have they overclocked the 9900k?
JosBrinkie33 The UPS in their server room caught on fire.
@@philrlee lol
It's just a Mac Pro in a different form factor. This is clearly not meant to be used as a 24/7 server.
Yeah but........i guess the case is pretty neat?
Yep, and linus says that more or less when he said audio engineers would benefit the most from the form factor
Why not tho they have Xeon processors which are designed for 24/7 operations
Linus buys another mac pro and makes another video about it just to say, it's the same as the other one but more difficult to open and it's rack mounted.
@@Moustafa59665 As Linus explained, no redundant power, no control over ethernet, limited expandability for storage, limited bandwidth in connectivity.... . And then there are other things. Changing the fans on those is terrible compared to server solutions. There's also no need for it to be quiet, simply blasting air through it would be much better cooling which means less stress on the system and you can use cheaper parts.
11:24
"Please do not place things on top of here
This is not a shelf."
Apple: we have the most expensive computers
Linus: hold my merch
One thing's for sure. No one giving Linus anything to hold XD
Intlex hold my ltt water bottle
You haven't priced actual servers recently I guess.
I have been following Neil's series and I agree he did a great job! Thank you for including him in the video as an example of what the rack is for!
"PCi express networking"
-confused screaming...
My guess is, the Rackmountable version is for installation in like a "Soundrack" or "Videorack". they use the Same mounts, but are usually still @ ur desk
EDIT: Well, i should finish watching the Video
Number one rule of TH-cam, always watch the whole video before commenting ;)
This form factor is actually super attractive to serious music studios. You just rack your digital audio workstation in the same rack where your audio interface, patch bay, and outboard equipment are already racked.
I love how at the beginning when he punches the box the profiles off and they just type back on and editing it’s funny in a very small detail I like it
11:20 "Your computer is in Iraq"
5:41 "dual USB Taipei's"
COMPUTER BOT FOR NSA *thinfoilhat*
The iRaq
so if the USB is in Taipei, and the computer's in Iraq, where's the rest of it?
@@markvonmiller4702 gone reduced to atoms
Yeah, to me it's obvious on reading the specs that this was never intended to be a server. Simply just a rack mountable computer. That's a very niche market. Probably adds to the cost of it.
Which is funny that he took so long to get to that point because he's /in/ that niche market. His home PC is in a rack in a different room. I think he should've talked a bit on that as well.
@@AoiRozlin Gotta get that 10 minute runtime, tho.
Steven Mrozek well it’s LTT, they prefer to bash Apple more than anything else. Even a positive review will start in either negative tone or at least have a negative title.
@@theeverythingplace672 i will disagree
I am not in anyway shape or form a Mac user, but I love this rack mounted case. Forget using it as a server, having it mounted next to my music production kit would look absolutely sick! Transporting to gigs etc... would be way more easy. Going to build myself a rack mounted PC this year 100%
When your editor is making jokes like a pro... ,;-)
0:43 Nice After Effects :D Good job !
i immediately went down to the comments to see if people noticed :D
That was soo good :)
Yeah, this is huge for the video/audio production folks. Rackmounts for studios is a really nice plus, but for those in the production world, this is really a huge plus. Touring with computers is a huge problem and often requires massively custom solutions. This is one of the first times you can easily ship a high powered mac out of the box for live productions, either as a recording PC, live streaming PC, video/projections setup, or a cue machine. Production companies with the budgets that need this kind of power will eat up that markup to easily be able to include this in a rack at front of house.
Great to see you guys highlight Neil as I was following those as he released them. Nicely done guys.
0:42 omg I’m cracking up, well played editor
I have seen some pretty cool usages of this in studio equipment with rack mount compartments. Pretty sure that's it's main purpose.
Is this the start of a new series? "Computers you'd be nuts to use as a server!"
0:42 huh
neat
Awesome shout out to Neil, been watching that series from the beginning.
Now when I go to an event I don't have to bring the iMac in it's own case, amongst other cases.
It's now in the Rack like everything else
Exactly. It also saves on the purchase of a custom case in the first place.
The way Linus was handling the Mac Pro on the table made me anxious the whole time.
If it cant handle that then it should be in the wild to start with lol. Gone are the days of glass platters that cant take a little tossing around, SS storgae and pretty much everything board mount electronics, most computers you can throw off a moving truck and outside of a dented case, show no indication you did so.
He did have a 'blaket' on the table
When money is no object…
he handles things this way all the time.
tbh i think a rack version is actually pretty neat, like, rn it's a very powerful machine, but in a few year time when newer more powerful hardware comes out and it comes time to upgrade you could chuck it in a server rack and use it as a server, i know big corporations have better server hardware but if you are running a small startup it could be a good choice instead of running server off a mac mini or smth
the clack clack linus does with his mouth every so often has been engraved into my memory
Mind went 'clack clack' after reading this..
It drives me CRAZY! But i guess that's Linus for ya
you know i'm never gonna unhear this
Now you can pay for the Apple logo without even being able to see it! Wonderful!
This could also be a solution for big software projects resulting in apps for macos or ios. Apple only supports compiling for mac/ios on a mac (apple doing apple stuff...). But until now there was no Apple-Server which could used for automatic testing and building a big project. The current solution was using mac minis. Just lookup "mac mini server farm" on google images and you can see how ridiculous this idea is. Maybe this rack edition can help a bit, even if it isn't space efficient in any way.
Alternate title: "Where did all my money go?"
A long awaited shoutout from Linus to the forgotten category within the tech community, music producers... nice.
I have switched out my Acer OEM-case to a 4U-rackmounted case as it cleans up my cabinet as well. Now I must say that my PC is hooked up to my TV to use both for home-theater and for regular browsing and work-stuff but since I don't have the space for a desk where I can sit at it's a great option. Bought 10U-rackrails and put a power distributor in with Wieland to have all kinds of equipment running in the rest of it, my router, my 24-port switch, my PiHole and then my PC, only IT-thingy that's not in that rack is my WAP which I've installed on the side of the cabinet. Looks way more neat than my previous set-up. Also, changing a cable now or removing a device and it's cabling is a pain because all of the cables are nicely tucked away in the back in cable-rails, whoops. Oh yeah, I've built the cabinet myself using scaffolding wood, real simple design but it's great for my use.
Me the first time Linus clicks his tongue: oh??
Me the second time Linus clicks his tongue: alright bud, less is more
Me the third time Linus clicks his tongue: oh my gawd!! STAAAAHP!!!
I noticed that too, it's new right, he doesn't do it in other videos?
You don't see the dog off set he's trying to call over.
T R I G G E R E D
Why did i have to scroll so far for this comment. That shit is annoying and i cant forget it
Ah, just like cars : the newer it is the more the hardware has to be covered up with plastic covers. Today I Learned: audio racks use same specs as server rack mounts
Well, they don’t - server racks are usually 90 or 100 cm deep, audio racks typically 50-60cm. The front panel spacing is the same, though. Both derive from industrial and scientific racks.
@@JasperJanssen Way older than industrial use suggests. 19" racks are an old telephone company standard from 1922.
BlueBenGo really, that new? I thought it was way older.
@@JasperJanssen Like many things, I'm sure it was based on an older concept.
@@JasperJanssen Ah, thanks. Makes sense, I've seen both in person enough that I should have realized!
2:37 We all know Linus Dropped the unit here. The editors were just being nice :D
GB Games I finished the vid, looked at the comments, found this and only then I relised. ._.
"I would expect something like 10 to 16 GPUs opposed to apple's 4"
*cries in intel inbuilt graphics*
The new Xeons doesn't have iGPUs iirc
Did you notice when he talked about the number of CPUs, he shows the config page for another server, and highlights a column of options for the number of CORES in the base 8 CPU config? Show me the part of that web page where they offer more than 8 CPUs per server (which I suppose they do).
SirEuchre goto their website yourself you lazy fuck
Quang Pham and fuck you
@@sireuchre Just lookup "blade configuration" it's basically 4U with 8 Dual CPU servers, that's basically 8 independent computers with 2 CPU each which share 2 power supplies. It is not uncommon configuration, but you don't get much space for the GPUs or tons of drives per server.
Youz forgott the best feature of this Version: Leave all cables plugged in!
People were actually defending that as a design choice so you don't accidentally damage your peripherals from an electric surge... Yeah...
exactly... it is a rack mounted mac pro, not a server mac pro... I can see the misunderstanding for some, but as for me... a musician/producer, photographer/videographer, it is "nice" to have a rack-mounted system, although I would prefer the rack mounted before the trashcan or a weird form case, but the mac pro has already a nice cab-look, so... yeah... If you check up on photos of music producers, you will see lots of hardware all around, and gets messier each day. Rack systems makes thing looks organized, and then there's still room for improvement, for all of the other equipment we use. ;)
"Even more expensive " this title gave my wallet chills...
OmegaGodModeX fear not.
Apple has trash for every type of person, including "cheap" trash, the apple trash pro, or iPhone 11 pro, as apple calls it.
@@EntropyConcept This comment is legendary !
11:00 -- So it's not really a server solution, it's a Mac Pro with rails on for creatives. kk
Apple has never said it's a server solution at all. It's meant for media professionals (video/audio/music/science)
So working as a theatre technician, rack-mounted macs are so much easier to work with, as you can basically keep everything together and mostly cabled up so it is just a handful of cables every time you have to move it somewhere. Most of the industry uses a program called Qlab that only runs on Mac.
Meanwhile, me running MacOS on my workstation in a VM for the purposes when I'd need to use MacOS
"For handles like this, not like this" - Russ Hanneman
My thoughts exactly lmao
You can access Macs remotely. They have both SSH and Remote Desktop. Those can be combined for a secure Remote Desktop connection. So you wouldn't have to plugin to use it. You could connect to it remotely while it's off in some data center somewhere. If you want to see this on your Mac go to Settings > Sharing. Notice the desktop and remote login options.
*Linus....as an Audio Professional- I would love to see you collaborate with AVID and get some ProTools HDX cards in the PCIE slots of that MAC PRO RACK MOUNT.*
Or just go visit Neil Parfitt, because then at least he'd have someone who can demo it properly :)
Thats not their work >> they re not audio pros and probably dont need to edit audio this precisely. What would be interesting is a comparison of an Avid workflow based with Media composer : nexis storage / media central cloud ux vs their own custom workflows. Its typically a small tv news workload that they have.