This was by far one of the best Mac Pro reviews I’ve ever seen. It actually properly explains how it could be used in a workflow - rather than a bunch of youtubers screaming about how their export times are slightly faster.
Because for the exact same hardware they can pay far less. By at least half. Yeah, you're still paying thousands, but not tens of thousands. This thing is way overpriced. People are stupid for paying the apple tax. And sadly, it's never going away.
@@savantskie So you didn't watch the video at all then? It literally explains why somebody would spend the extra money on this over a pc. He also explains which things you can get third party over apple to save money. I'll gladly take Neil's opinion (award winning in his field) over some random over the internet who thinks anything he cant afford is "too much".
@@samuelisch2196 I did watch the video, so I'll answer the question again, THE EXACT SAME HARDWARE can be gotten for HALF THE PRICE. You're ONLY paying for the ''PRESTIGE'' of the Name Apple, and being FORCED and STUCK in their format. That's it. The reason their software is used so heavily in the audio area, is because they tend to buy any competition, and drown it into the ground and use said competition's technology for themselves. The hardware can be gotten MUCH cheaper. it's all off the shelf hardware. The only thing you're paying for is the apple tax. Which is sad anyone pays it. Because we could force them to be MUCH cheaper. And i'm not just some rando who thinks anything i can't afford is too much. I COULD afford the hardware. But I'd rather use other software that can do the exact same thing you can do in Apple software. And yes, I have been in the music and production industry. I currently am not due to medical issues.
@@savantskie i have a 3k laptop with that i bought with a 3 year old CPU, by your account, i am stupid. Look, you buy what you need to get the job done. i work in research i collect data in some of the worst places and conditions. Apple computers are very expensive, but its the best fit for what he is doing, and he has a clear reason why he choose that computer. Personally i would not buy it, i have no need, and for the raw compute to cost ratio, there are better value out there, but ask yourself would that fit in his work flow? he basically said he would have gone with something else if that would be better for him. i dont work in a studio and audacity can easily cover my audio editing needs, but i have friend who do, and i understand their needs, just as i can buy a $800.00 laptop with simular or better specs as my tough book, , could they work in the rain, in the dust, in the dew, could they tolerate being in the back of a pickup all day? i dont think so. so the 3k system is the best fit. and clearly this is the best fit for his needs. When you wants what work best for you, when your income depends on it, when failure is not an option, cost becomes irrelevant.
"When you wants what work best for you, when your income depends on it, when failure is not an option, cost becomes irrelevant." This. EXACTLY THIS. I'd never buy something like this, I'm too cheap, but people that run the numbers, include things like downtime into those numbers (and client software compatibility, and, and, and...), and come to the conclusion that this makes the most sense for them, more power to them. Sometimes, the cost up front for a system is trivial compared to the total cost.
This is one of those great moments when someone adds new and important information to the internet. Thanks for the original content; you’ve answered every question I had about the rack version of this setup.
Neil Parfitt yep it’s why I’m here and I’m not even into apple gear but I wanted to see your perspective. Nice and informative and entertaining review Shame the rails won’t work as a shelf will mean no easy access to the RAM.
@@MeppyMan Thanks! Yeah I have a rack furniture thing on the way to address these issues and I'll post a vid. That's the final piece of this adventure :)
Neil embraces a friendly personal format with his filming style while embracing and sharing excellent knowledge and good humor. I really enjoy watching your videos! Wishing you great productivity with your enhanced studio!
Highend Music production where you run 7 dolby voice tracks and about 20 instruments all with their own fx calc and mastering on it can chug hard on even high end machines. This machine is pretty cool with that. 100 tracks with full fx set up and the machine tops at 70% per core (if you have the max Xeon set up). You want all this industry power and error correction to avoid sound errors in your output AAC as well. All this effort for you to mux it into some crappy 128kbps mono mp3 that you listen to in your 1992 Toyota.
@@theharbingerofconflation It's still looks expensive. Outside there can be found the same parts with double performance from the Threadripper 3 for less money. I am just a guy in the music production :D
Ahhhhhhhh Yeeeeeeeah that was a solid snap, let listen to that again ...... Bro you kill me LOL!. Great unboxing I had tea and crumpits while being entertained!.
Thanks for this, there a lot of videos (for the mac pro) that are all from a video editors perspective. Its great to see it from a Music/Audio perspective.
This was the best video, I have ever seen of a review from someone that actually uses their equipment and not just review it for the sake of reviewing it. I hope you make more videos of your workflow and the other equipment you have.
I've built and still have some hackintosh crap... I'm tired of fixing it on every update. I just spent the cheese and got a mac pro (who's box is also very large and make cats and stoves look small).
Conrad Jones AS IN: boot from you esxi and run VMs from that? Right now I have a PCI card with a 1TB WD Black NVME that my main OS runs on. I now use the factory Apple 250gb as random storage. Also I figure out how to get my boot camp to transfer and run from a external Samsung T5 SSD (I did that so I can run PC games). Going to migrate away from my Xbox one day.... (one day). Oh, but yeah, for now I use Parallels. Never used ESXi.
why do hackintosh instead of just running windows? I know apple has a big foot in the entertainment industry but from research I've done apple isn't that much better than running windows as far as music production goes or at all even, meaning theyre more or less even. Each OS/mac vs pc has their pro and cons so i'm really just trying to grasp what ya'll mean by not being able to afford any "down time" or setbacks in real time as far as choosing apple/mac os over windows/PC.
Erick Gonzalez All the family phones are iPhones, we all have iPods and iPads (which no one uses anymore). I have old Xserve and Xserve raids. I just been using it right after they left Mac OS9. I still use windows for things... with boot camp I started tossing out old laptops with windows I had laying around. I had one laptop with software from “Control 4” to program my house entertain crap. I had a laptop just for programming my vehicles. So now I converted that to virtual machines and run parallels inside the Mac. I dunno man! These are complex questions!!! LOLOL
@@erickgonzalez5777 I develop cross platform applications which run on linux, Mac and windows. I primarily develop on Mac nowadays, it used to be linux. Mainly because the OS is so nice to use and gets out of my way so. I can concentrate on what I'm doing, the trackpad and build quality of the MBP is a huge factor as well, I've owned 20+ laptops (and used many more) in the last ten years (most non-apple) and this new MBP is the best I've owned, the ergonomics work extremely well for me, previous laptops gave me quite bad RSI which went away when I got the MBP, I went back to using other laptops and within half and hour RSI was back, it's also partly do with command+C for copy paste rather than ctrl+c, it's much less of a stretch, like many other operations and for someone that writes code that really adds up. CoreAudio (apples audio system) is leaps and bounds above WASAPI (Microsofts) in a number of areas, latency, stability and writing code for it. MacOS is also a unix which means the majority of tools which work on linux also work on Mac. Every time I have to use windows a little bit of me dies, it's such an absolute pain to use, the disk I/O performance is horrendous, getting software installed is different for every application and takes 100 times longer to get a system ready for me to use than linux or macOS, and then at times it's so bad you click on the start menu and doesn't appear, Microsoft just have no attention to detail. Like seriously are they going to finish the migration from control panel to settings? or go for another 5 years with things split across the two with no clear indication of where a setting for a particular item is.
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Until this moment, I had no idea that Apple made rack-versions of the Pros... 🤯
that's because Apple doesn't have the resources to advertise their product being one of the biggest tech companies in the world and all ;) ;) It was definitely a sleeper release. Lame on their part. "WE CARE ABOUT THE PROS". (releases this computer without a whisper) *eyeroll*
Kitty needs more screen-time on your follow-up vids! =) For real though, very detailed vid. This will be useful to an INSANE amount of people. Thanks for putting it out there.
I'm loving these videos! Especially the part where you put the bottom cover back on I thought: 'Oh, I hope he unlatches that and closes it again cause it was awesome!' And then you did! Talk nerdy to me...
Came here from Linus. He saved it until the end, but actually made a point (well, you made a point) for why this is actually not stupid hardware. Glad you have something that works!
Neil, you’ve been so helpful. Finally got my new Mac Pro Rack completely set up and ready for work- if it wasn’t for your positivity and thorough walkthrough of your setup, I’m not sure where I’d be. Just wanted to write and say thank you for doing all these videos, you’ve really made the process fun and exciting, because at the end of the day, what we do is fun and exciting!! Thanks again 🙏
Great review ! Funny, that was my first thought seeing the internal USB port too "That would be the perfect spot for an iLok" ! And haters on the comments are actually funny, as soon as we're talking pro audio work there's a reason (more than one actually) why Macs are everywhere. And hackintoshes ? Fine for tinkerers, but definitely not a smart choice for doing business. Also, putting the price in perspective, it isn't remotely expensive compared to lots of pro audio gear. Hell, a friend of mine purchased a Neve Genesys for his studio, now THAT's expensive ! Paid for itself nicely over the course of a few years though. And the console/PA I mix on almost daily costs the price of a dozen fully maxed out Mac Pros (as do hundreds if not thousands of audio pros around the globe), so there is that. Definitely not the right choice for the enthusiast in his bedroom, but I have a feeling this never was the intended market for this piece of equipment anyway ;) All in all, solid review, and I'd LOVE to see your full studio setup. Congrats on your purchase, hopefully it'll serve you well for years to come !
I have been using hackintoshes for several years with no issues. Literally zero. Other than having to be careful with updates. I have fully trusted them for mission critical operation without hesitation. And that said perhaps there is some truth to it being a tinkerers realm, as if you don't know what you are doing, you can futz it up. But its certainly fine for business.
@@wishusknight3009 Likewise. I've been using Intel Hackintoshes for 10 years now and the only time I mainly have issues is when I'm updating to the next OS version w/ driver limitations such as a kexts not being available for that update. I usually read up on it first before I take the plunge so if there are widespread issues caused by an update, I just stay on that version for the time being. Currently in the process of setting up my first AMD Ryzen Hackintosh which has been quite the learning experience.
@@HominidInterneticus i never said they're unstable, I've run Hackintoshes in the past as well on shows for my sampler computers and they were fine most of the time. However, your second sentence is why I have zero interest: "Everything is fine and dandy once you go through the pains of setting it up" I've built hundreds of PC's in the past for clients and myself. But as of now, I don't have the time nor do I care anymore about that aspect of computers. I'd rather spend time with my family and friends and just buy an appliance that works out of the box - even if it's not the fastest thing out there. That to me is worth all the money in the world at this point in my life.
Of course, you can run your stuff on a mac. I run mine on HP workstations, Windows and Nuendo in an audio post facility with 11 staff. It's not huge, but definitely a business. Whatever puts wind in your sails.
Thanks for these videos, Neil. I made the switch and I’m blown away. 13 power cords reduced to 1!! No more peripherals or dongles. Four machines reduced to one. Amazing.
Two trash cans, a mini and a threadripper PC. I’ve never been able to run ProTools and DP/Logic on one machine because my templates are too big. This new machine runs everything while yawning. In 25 years, I never thought I’d be able to do everything with one box. Miracles happen...
Holy crap! It's Thomas Goss! Keep it up Neil, fantastic and informative video. I definitely learned a few things from your commentary, and that's not including the thorough unboxing! Please make more of these!
Excellent video, Neil! Had been waiting for a good overview of the rack model and you made it so entertaining. Looks like a great decision and should serve you well.
You’re giving a lot of insight to people that use PCs for personal use it shows how you have to think about what you’re getting when you’re doing it as a company purchase
But can it run Crysis 3?? Next video: "So I tried eating the CMOS battery (the warning tempted me); Does it taste like an apple crisp? Watch and find out!"
Hey Neil, nice video. The SSDs are user replaceable and serviceable using Apple SSD kits. Also note that AppleCare for Mac Pro includes onsite service (varies by country or region), so you don’t need to bring it in.
interesting. When I called Apple they had no answers. I'll try again on Monday and see what they tell me. I'm in Toronto, Canada. Have you seen pricing on these kits?
After further investigation it appears there's an "Applecare for Enterprise": support.apple.com/en-ca/applecare-enterprise-service Don't think I can get this for a single machine?
Neil Parfitt here’s the page showing that SSDs and wheels can be swapped out by the user by calling Apple or an authorized service provider for the right kit: support.apple.com/en-us/HT210556 AppleCare+ for Mac offers onsite for desktops: www.apple.com/support/products/mac/ The footnote on the page says: “Availability of each option depends on country or region in which service is requested and location of Apple Authorized Service Provider. Apple may also request that the customer replace components with readily installable parts.” If you’re in Toronto, I’m fairly certain you’re within servicing range. You can find one in Canada here: locate.apple.com/ca/en/ I haven’t seen any pricing yet.
Neil Parfitt while AppleCare for Enterprise does offer next business day onsite service in covered regions, it is intended for enterprise (business) customers who have at least 1000 covered Apple devices.
@@TheThreeTechs Users can't service the SSDs. They're locked to the T2 chip in the Mac. Yes, you as the end user can take them out and put them back in the Mac, but if you try to swap them with new ones, your Mac will fail to start. For OEM storage, you HAVE to bring the Mac back in for service or have an authorized on-site visit you. No way around it.
Hey Neil Great video. I have 1 HDX card. I will be purchasing the rack mount very soon. Would i still need the aux power cable bundle that you purchased? Unfortunately i did not install my own card so i am not sure if a power cable was attached or if it is running off of the pic e slots power. is there a list of all the items you purchased so i will know what to get? Thank you
One thing I've noticed from talking to so many HDX owners is that there's no consistency of which power cables people have. So you may want to buy the AUX kit, and worst case return it. My power cable looked like this: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TCB-HDXB--sonnet-technologies-tcb-hdxb-power-adapter-cable-for-avid-pro-toolshdx-pcie So I used that and the AUX kit to rig it up
@@NeilParfittMusic Thank you Neil. Your video on the rack mount mac pro is friggin awesome man. I really appreciate the detail. Continued success to you :)
Absolutly agree with your reasons to purchase... same reason i spent $15,000 on mine👍... i need to spend my time working, not trying to get my pc/hackentosh to work... 25 years working on Mac & no problems 😁
I seriously doubt it. It’s about time they actually catered to professionals. How often do you walk into a studio and there’s a computer on the floor or table surrounded by racks?
The reason there are no components in front of the cube is for unobstructed air flow for air exiting the cube for cooling. You will also notice the PCIe card slots as well have an unobstructed path for air to flow across the installed cards and out the chassis.
That was really great vid. I love this stuff but don't have a significant use case for it but I still geek out seeing everything. Thanks for all the detail and explanations. You made that video really interesting even if I don't understand a lot of it. Cheers.
i'd like to see someone in a datacenter changing memory by laying on the floor trying to upgrade or replace ram sticks... lovely design :D but great review!
Hi Anton, I mention it in the vid - but it's Nemix - Apple Mac Pro 2019 7,1 Memory 128GB DDR4-2666Mhz PC4-21300 288-Pin LRDIMM. I bought them on Amazon. I now have 12 sticks for 768GB memory.
@@NeilParfittMusic Thank you so much for the answer, I’ve just bought a Mac Pro Rack, Do you know if these external ram’s are compatible with the newer versions instead of 2019?
11:05 NOT STUPID AT ALL. A VERY VALID POINT! i mean wtf. how did they miss that. altho it's not as bad as not being able to replace MacOS BOOTABLE drives.
The architecture is triple channel - so it performs best in 6 or 12 sticks of equal size. Also, there's two different types of memory it can take, but they won't work if installed together. I knew I'd be replacing the ram it shipped with as the capacity shipped is laughable, and Apple memory pricing is a la Wheels.. insane. So I got the minimum and sold it the moment I installed my larger capacity modules.
"this is great because I can just open it up and instal ram with out unplugging anything" proceeds to mount 1u from the floor, and the ram is on the bottom of the machine. 🧐
@@NeilParfittMusic upside-down from the floor, under a mess of HDX ports that luckily screw in... I'm not saying you made the wrong choice but not sure the reason you gave there is a thoughtful one.
ASAP ATHEIST it’s on rack rails.. the computer slides out 18” in front of racked gear below it. Full access to the memory as well as full access to computer internals from the top, no unhooking of anything required as everything going to the computer is on a harness with plenty of slack. I’m not sure what isn’t thoughtful about that...
And also.. how often does one change out ram? Like once every 1.5 years? There’s 384gb in there. If I have to lay under the computer once every 546 day’s for 1 minute to add some more sticks... who cares??
And here I am, after figuring out how to build an extremely future expansive home server with MiniSAS, HDSAS, Pcie4.0 and 3ds 2TB RAM possible, thinking, if only someone had just a similar quality rack case to buy to build it on it...
I’m glad they built a rack unit. I’ve been waiting for a rack mount sense the X-Serve days. Looking forward to getting mine. I already got the 4 m.2 carrier card. Amfeltech now has the 6 m.2 carrier card! Yikes! Mine gets 6GB burst read speeds. The 6 m.2 gets some ridiculous 10GB or 12GB burst reads. I once had to carry a water cooled G5 to a mall based Apple Store. That was not pleasant. The G5 was one heavy tower (but nothing compared to this military grade beast).
The extra connector for the HDX cards you said you had to buy to hook up the power to the HDX cards? Can you put a link to that. I'm ready to throw my HDX cards in my tower. I have the standing version... didn't get the rack. But doing the same thing. Thanks
I had the proper cable with my cards but still needed The aux power kit. I know sonnet also sells cables for the hdx cards/2019 machine - I’d start there
@@NeilParfittMusic So that reaches the power output inside? I don't think mine reaches. Darn is there an extender needed. Yea I really wish there was a youtube video explaining and showing this. Sitting here looking at my card in my tower and have no idea how to hook this up. help!!
Regarding what you said about 14:00 when they have that dead space... there wasn't room for more I/O because the Intel Xeon chips only have 64 PCIE lanes, and the card slots they have completely and totally occupy those lanes, so there is no room for anything else. I love your idea about having a drop-in drive cage, though. I REALLY wish they'd done that.
Was there a reason to remove the 32 gigs of RAM that came with it? There were plenty of slots still available for them, and the guide shows how to put the pairs so the size difference shouldn't impact performance.
@@lucasrem feel, speed, Accuracy and well looks. You can get hundreds of different switches so it's all about finding what you like then building a keyboard that works/looks good for you. It's not for everyone but almost anyone who tries mechanical for like a week will most probably like it
@@lucasrem Consistency among key presses, sure there is the aspect of creating your own keyboard. But there are tons of options out there in terms of a mechanical keyboard out of the box. There is also PBT Keycaps which (most membrane keyboards all use ABS) which you can get for Mechanical Keyboards that don't lose the font on the key over time, usually from natural oils on your fingertips, this font degradation is accelerated with eating near your keyboard too obviously. Finally, tactility does improve accuracy, one of the biggest reasons why you see phones come with vibrate when you tap a key on the digital keyboard, it lets you feel some form of tactility making sure you know you didn't mess up. Essentially, this tactility allows faster typing since you don't need to look down, or hit backspace nearly as often.
Excellent review. I keep on hearing that audio pros prefer Mac for many practical reasons. The majority of Mac Pro review are from video editors, glad to see a review from an actual audio pro.
Really interesting to see a Mac Pro review done by a professional who really uses its full potential because work demands it, and not a review done by some Apple fanboy who automatically loves everything the company throws at him/her. Thumbs up and thanks for sharing!
"with that said, let's dive into it!"
.." So here's my cat"
- spoken like a true techy.
I kept thinking I had a cat in my house somehow, which would be weird.
This was by far one of the best Mac Pro reviews I’ve ever seen. It actually properly explains how it could be used in a workflow - rather than a bunch of youtubers screaming about how their export times are slightly faster.
Because for the exact same hardware they can pay far less. By at least half. Yeah, you're still paying thousands, but not tens of thousands. This thing is way overpriced. People are stupid for paying the apple tax. And sadly, it's never going away.
@@savantskie So you didn't watch the video at all then? It literally explains why somebody would spend the extra money on this over a pc. He also explains which things you can get third party over apple to save money. I'll gladly take Neil's opinion (award winning in his field) over some random over the internet who thinks anything he cant afford is "too much".
@@samuelisch2196 I did watch the video, so I'll answer the question again, THE EXACT SAME HARDWARE can be gotten for HALF THE PRICE. You're ONLY paying for the ''PRESTIGE'' of the Name Apple, and being FORCED and STUCK in their format. That's it. The reason their software is used so heavily in the audio area, is because they tend to buy any competition, and drown it into the ground and use said competition's technology for themselves. The hardware can be gotten MUCH cheaper. it's all off the shelf hardware. The only thing you're paying for is the apple tax. Which is sad anyone pays it. Because we could force them to be MUCH cheaper. And i'm not just some rando who thinks anything i can't afford is too much. I COULD afford the hardware. But I'd rather use other software that can do the exact same thing you can do in Apple software. And yes, I have been in the music and production industry. I currently am not due to medical issues.
@@savantskie i have a 3k laptop with that i bought with a 3 year old CPU, by your account, i am stupid. Look, you buy what you need to get the job done. i work in research i collect data in some of the worst places and conditions. Apple computers are very expensive, but its the best fit for what he is doing, and he has a clear reason why he choose that computer. Personally i would not buy it, i have no need, and for the raw compute to cost ratio, there are better value out there, but ask yourself would that fit in his work flow? he basically said he would have gone with something else if that would be better for him. i dont work in a studio and audacity can easily cover my audio editing needs, but i have friend who do, and i understand their needs, just as i can buy a $800.00 laptop with simular or better specs as my tough book, , could they work in the rain, in the dust, in the dew, could they tolerate being in the back of a pickup all day? i dont think so. so the 3k system is the best fit. and clearly this is the best fit for his needs.
When you wants what work best for you, when your income depends on it, when failure is not an option, cost becomes irrelevant.
"When you wants what work best for you, when your income depends on it, when failure is not an option, cost becomes irrelevant."
This. EXACTLY THIS.
I'd never buy something like this, I'm too cheap, but people that run the numbers, include things like downtime into those numbers (and client software compatibility, and, and, and...), and come to the conclusion that this makes the most sense for them, more power to them.
Sometimes, the cost up front for a system is trivial compared to the total cost.
Wow. This was the pro user every youtuber was referring to. My god....he’s magnificent....
my heart is gurgling!
Who else came here after watching Linus video?
I didn't even finish watching Linus video
moi
Yes, computer nerd and currently study music production where we use a rack mac (lol) and wanted to get a better insight.
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Me
The Rackintosh, has a nice ring to it.
Rack pro
Power Rack?
Do we dare tell him he has a nice rack? Or would that be sexual harassment? 😂😂
@Tasunke Iraq will never go pro! Hah!😋😂
I've built one.
This is one of those great moments when someone adds new and important information to the internet. Thanks for the original content; you’ve answered every question I had about the rack version of this setup.
3:00 The only thunderbolt device I'm going to have connected to my machine...that is my cat
I'm calling PETA
And PETA will kill the cat.
"Does apple care come with hired goons to escort me through the parking lot?!" - Neil Parfitt, 2020
I love how many super nerds such as myself have been waiting for just anyone to release this video lol
Cody Gibson so true it’s all about the rack mount
And it looks a lot better. Which is my main reason. The feet are just too ugly for comfort.
# you can order it with casters as well
supper nerds and apple dont go together. a nerd would look at ad think i could build that for half the price and get some spot cream with the change
Tony Tony lots of computer people love Apple, lots of us love the OS for development
1:15 "So let's unbox this beast!" - **MEOW** Haha, great review, the first I've seen on the rack mounted version. Thank you!
Im so incredibly surprised to see you here. Greetings from Germany keep on the nice videos
Ok so... Linus mentioned you on his review of the Rack... Video is on Floatplane for now. Be ready for an influx of new subscribers in about a week
Ferna_Postales really? Hah nice!
Neil Parfitt yep it’s why I’m here and I’m not even into apple gear but I wanted to see your perspective. Nice and informative and entertaining review Shame the rails won’t work as a shelf will mean no easy access to the RAM.
That's exactly why I'm watching this
@@MeppyMan Thanks! Yeah I have a rack furniture thing on the way to address these issues and I'll post a vid. That's the final piece of this adventure :)
Neil Parfitt I just saw your other video... new cabinet will make life easier especially if you can get in the back easily.
oh nice! PLEASE make a Studio tour including your setup with the new mac pro rack! Would love to see that :))
Yep! I will get to it once I’m fully up and running
@@NeilParfittMusic Me too!
New studio tour coming soon.as I'm in a brand new space! :)
@@NeilParfittMusic excited!!
*Probably the first person to buy it and review it*
Good to see someone do a review on this system who actually needs and uses it's features unlike most review channels.
Wait, hold on, I've got it.
*Apple Rac Pro*
Neil embraces a friendly personal format with his filming style while embracing and sharing excellent knowledge and good humor. I really enjoy watching your videos! Wishing you great productivity with your enhanced studio!
Why did this guy buy a computer like this?
21:42 ...oh, I see you're running some real shit on it... makes sense then
35:25
Aw man, I have to wait 21 minutes to see if it was sarcasm or not.
Edit: it wasn't
Highend Music production where you run 7 dolby voice tracks and about 20 instruments all with their own fx calc and mastering on it can chug hard on even high end machines. This machine is pretty cool with that. 100 tracks with full fx set up and the machine tops at 70% per core (if you have the max Xeon set up). You want all this industry power and error correction to avoid sound errors in your output AAC as well. All this effort for you to mux it into some crappy 128kbps mono mp3 that you listen to in your 1992 Toyota.
@@theharbingerofconflation It's still looks expensive. Outside there can be found the same parts with double performance from the Threadripper 3 for less money. I am just a guy in the music production :D
@@Djmaxofficial but as he said his work flow is with the apple eco system, so this was basically his only choice for his work
I was sent from Linus tech tips. Interesting vid well explained.
This is one of those few extremely fair review. Criticizing when needed and praising when deserved.
Ahhhhhhhh Yeeeeeeeah that was a solid snap, let listen to that again ...... Bro you kill me LOL!. Great unboxing I had tea and crumpits while being entertained!.
Thanks for this, there a lot of videos (for the mac pro) that are all from a video editors perspective. Its great to see it from a Music/Audio perspective.
Bought mine for the same reasons
I seriously can’t get over your cat meowing in the background of the video, love it!
I'd been wanting to see more about this version, so thanks!
@@GeraintDafis USB C to VGA adapters work very well
If I bought a rack mounted Mac Pro, I’d probably react the same way as the cat and rub my whole body all over the box.
Scott MacWatters
Canadian too, not any creative?
are all these Linus people the same person?
lucas rem use your worlds
Who's also coming from LTT's video?
I am! And I think this guy is getting a bump in subscribers lol
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me too and from Toronto as well LOL
LTT brought me here. Thanks Linus for showing us this awesome channel.
This was the best video, I have ever seen of a review from someone that actually uses their equipment and not just review it for the sake of reviewing it. I hope you make more videos of your workflow and the other equipment you have.
I've built and still have some hackintosh crap... I'm tired of fixing it on every update. I just spent the cheese and got a mac pro (who's box is also very large and make cats and stoves look small).
I hear you I have some Hackintosh VMs running on a linux cluster do software builds , I'm considering a Mac Pro with esxi on it.
Conrad Jones AS IN: boot from you esxi and run VMs from that? Right now I have a PCI card with a 1TB WD Black NVME that my main OS runs on. I now use the factory Apple 250gb as random storage. Also I figure out how to get my boot camp to transfer and run from a external Samsung T5 SSD (I did that so I can run PC games). Going to migrate away from my Xbox one day.... (one day).
Oh, but yeah, for now I use Parallels. Never used ESXi.
why do hackintosh instead of just running windows? I know apple has a big foot in the entertainment industry but from research I've done apple isn't that much better than running windows as far as music production goes or at all even, meaning theyre more or less even. Each OS/mac vs pc has their pro and cons so i'm really just trying to grasp what ya'll mean by not being able to afford any "down time" or setbacks in real time as far as choosing apple/mac os over windows/PC.
Erick Gonzalez All the family phones are iPhones, we all have iPods and iPads (which no one uses anymore). I have old Xserve and Xserve raids. I just been using it right after they left Mac OS9. I still use windows for things... with boot camp I started tossing out old laptops with windows I had laying around. I had one laptop with software from “Control 4” to program my house entertain crap. I had a laptop just for programming my vehicles. So now I converted that to virtual machines and run parallels inside the Mac. I dunno man! These are complex questions!!! LOLOL
@@erickgonzalez5777 I develop cross platform applications which run on linux, Mac and windows. I primarily develop on Mac nowadays, it used to be linux. Mainly because the OS is so nice to use and gets out of my way so. I can concentrate on what I'm doing, the trackpad and build quality of the MBP is a huge factor as well, I've owned 20+ laptops (and used many more) in the last ten years (most non-apple) and this new MBP is the best I've owned, the ergonomics work extremely well for me, previous laptops gave me quite bad RSI which went away when I got the MBP, I went back to using other laptops and within half and hour RSI was back, it's also partly do with command+C for copy paste rather than ctrl+c, it's much less of a stretch, like many other operations and for someone that writes code that really adds up. CoreAudio (apples audio system) is leaps and bounds above WASAPI (Microsofts) in a number of areas, latency, stability and writing code for it. MacOS is also a unix which means the majority of tools which work on linux also work on Mac. Every time I have to use windows a little bit of me dies, it's such an absolute pain to use, the disk I/O performance is horrendous, getting software installed is different for every application and takes 100 times longer to get a system ready for me to use than linux or macOS, and then at times it's so bad you click on the start menu and doesn't appear, Microsoft just have no attention to detail. Like seriously are they going to finish the migration from control panel to settings? or go for another 5 years with things split across the two with no clear indication of where a setting for a particular item is.
Until this moment, I had no idea that Apple made rack-versions of the Pros... 🤯
that's because Apple doesn't have the resources to advertise their product being one of the biggest tech companies in the world and all ;) ;) It was definitely a sleeper release. Lame on their part. "WE CARE ABOUT THE PROS". (releases this computer without a whisper) *eyeroll*
It was mentioned and displayed in the keynote when the pro was introduced. th-cam.com/video/psL_5RIBqnY/w-d-xo.html
It was also shown on their Website alongside the tower model on launch day but with the caveat that it wasn't available just yet.
Kitty needs more screen-time on your follow-up vids! =)
For real though, very detailed vid. This will be useful to an INSANE amount of people. Thanks for putting it out there.
This was one of the best unboxing videos ever. You showed us how a PRO would use a machine like this. Thank you so much.
I'm loving these videos! Especially the part where you put the bottom cover back on I thought: 'Oh, I hope he unlatches that and closes it again cause it was awesome!' And then you did! Talk nerdy to me...
Came here from Linus. He saved it until the end, but actually made a point (well, you made a point) for why this is actually not stupid hardware. Glad you have something that works!
You just got a shoutout from LinusTechTips for this video series. :D
Neil, you’ve been so helpful. Finally got my new Mac Pro Rack completely set up and ready for work- if it wasn’t for your positivity and thorough walkthrough of your setup, I’m not sure where I’d be. Just wanted to write and say thank you for doing all these videos, you’ve really made the process fun and exciting, because at the end of the day, what we do is fun and exciting!! Thanks again 🙏
Thanks James! :) :)
Great review ! Funny, that was my first thought seeing the internal USB port too "That would be the perfect spot for an iLok" !
And haters on the comments are actually funny, as soon as we're talking pro audio work there's a reason (more than one actually) why Macs are everywhere. And hackintoshes ? Fine for tinkerers, but definitely not a smart choice for doing business.
Also, putting the price in perspective, it isn't remotely expensive compared to lots of pro audio gear. Hell, a friend of mine purchased a Neve Genesys for his studio, now THAT's expensive ! Paid for itself nicely over the course of a few years though. And the console/PA I mix on almost daily costs the price of a dozen fully maxed out Mac Pros (as do hundreds if not thousands of audio pros around the globe), so there is that. Definitely not the right choice for the enthusiast in his bedroom, but I have a feeling this never was the intended market for this piece of equipment anyway ;)
All in all, solid review, and I'd LOVE to see your full studio setup. Congrats on your purchase, hopefully it'll serve you well for years to come !
I have been using hackintoshes for several years with no issues. Literally zero. Other than having to be careful with updates. I have fully trusted them for mission critical operation without hesitation. And that said perhaps there is some truth to it being a tinkerers realm, as if you don't know what you are doing, you can futz it up. But its certainly fine for business.
@@wishusknight3009 Likewise. I've been using Intel Hackintoshes for 10 years now and the only time I mainly have issues is when I'm updating to the next OS version w/ driver limitations such as a kexts not being available for that update. I usually read up on it first before I take the plunge so if there are widespread issues caused by an update, I just stay on that version for the time being. Currently in the process of setting up my first AMD Ryzen Hackintosh which has been quite the learning experience.
@@HominidInterneticus i never said they're unstable, I've run Hackintoshes in the past as well on shows for my sampler computers and they were fine most of the time.
However, your second sentence is why I have zero interest:
"Everything is fine and dandy once you go through the pains of setting it up"
I've built hundreds of PC's in the past for clients and myself. But as of now, I don't have the time nor do I care anymore about that aspect of computers. I'd rather spend time with my family and friends and just buy an appliance that works out of the box - even if it's not the fastest thing out there.
That to me is worth all the money in the world at this point in my life.
Of course, you can run your stuff on a mac. I run mine on HP workstations, Windows and Nuendo in an audio post facility with 11 staff. It's not huge, but definitely a business. Whatever puts wind in your sails.
Phunker1 exactly, regardless of the Tools - if it’s the right fit for your workflow .. use it! Pc, Mac, whatever!
I'm pretty late on this video, but man better late than never. Pretty amazing!
Congrats on your system mate, holding out for the rack mount for the open latch upgradeability seems very worth it.
I don’t know why but I love to see finally a real Pro user using the MacPro as intended.
Great video, can't wait to see how you make use of it, how you set it up, and the cat. MORE CAT.
Your cat will surely love the carton boxes shipped with the computer, your cat happy, you happier! Very nice and detailed unboxing video!!!
I’m not allowed to toss them! They’re her’s now!
Neil - best unboxing video ever! Thanks for making this! :)
Thanks for these videos, Neil. I made the switch and I’m blown away. 13 power cords reduced to 1!! No more peripherals or dongles. Four machines reduced to one. Amazing.
Mc Dub wow what were you 3 other machines? Mac mini’s?
Two trash cans, a mini and a threadripper PC. I’ve never been able to run ProTools and DP/Logic on one machine because my templates are too big. This new machine runs everything while yawning. In 25 years, I never thought I’d be able to do everything with one box. Miracles happen...
Thanks Neil - from one composer to another.
Holy crap! It's Thomas Goss! Keep it up Neil, fantastic and informative video. I definitely learned a few things from your commentary, and that's not including the thorough unboxing! Please make more of these!
This is the only review done by a pro who actually need it. He looks happy, his voice slightly goes up with the newest mac pro.
Returning my 16 inch MBP maxed out cuz it was a joke. Getting one of these. I produce different genres of music but also am in TV/Film
Excellent video, Neil! Had been waiting for a good overview of the rack model and you made it so entertaining. Looks like a great decision and should serve you well.
Linus brought me here! Excited to watch!
Thanks so much for this video. Fellow music professional here. Wish I had waited for the rack. But picked up some good ideas from you so thanks again
the moment you filmed the case closing click you got my like :)
fenikz602 I liked it from the start when he said "you've never heard of me, doesn't matter"
You’re giving a lot of insight to people that use PCs for personal use it shows how you have to think about what you’re getting when you’re doing it as a company purchase
Just watched a 37 minute video about stuff which I will never do in my life.
Hi fellow nerds!!
i genuinely laughed thanks bro
One of the best Mac Pro videos I’ve seen. Especially unique for the rack insight. Thanks. Also nice studio.
But can it run Crysis 3??
Next video: "So I tried eating the CMOS battery (the warning tempted me); Does it taste like an apple crisp? Watch and find out!"
You know the reason they have those warnings is someone did just that. "Look, shiny and round. I wonder what this tastes like." :)
@@MitchyTheKid4095 It's a well known fact that SysAdmins eat CMOS batteries like scooby snacks ;)
Would have been cool if it had redundant power supplys
Hey Neil, nice video. The SSDs are user replaceable and serviceable using Apple SSD kits. Also note that AppleCare for Mac Pro includes onsite service (varies by country or region), so you don’t need to bring it in.
interesting. When I called Apple they had no answers. I'll try again on Monday and see what they tell me. I'm in Toronto, Canada. Have you seen pricing on these kits?
After further investigation it appears there's an "Applecare for Enterprise":
support.apple.com/en-ca/applecare-enterprise-service
Don't think I can get this for a single machine?
Neil Parfitt here’s the page showing that SSDs and wheels can be swapped out by the user by calling Apple or an authorized service provider for the right kit:
support.apple.com/en-us/HT210556
AppleCare+ for Mac offers onsite for desktops:
www.apple.com/support/products/mac/
The footnote on the page says: “Availability of each option depends on country or region in which service is requested and location of Apple Authorized Service Provider. Apple may also request that the customer replace components with readily installable parts.” If you’re in Toronto, I’m fairly certain you’re within servicing range. You can find one in Canada here:
locate.apple.com/ca/en/
I haven’t seen any pricing yet.
Neil Parfitt while AppleCare for Enterprise does offer next business day onsite service in covered regions, it is intended for enterprise (business) customers who have at least 1000 covered Apple devices.
@@TheThreeTechs Users can't service the SSDs. They're locked to the T2 chip in the Mac. Yes, you as the end user can take them out and put them back in the Mac, but if you try to swap them with new ones, your Mac will fail to start. For OEM storage, you HAVE to bring the Mac back in for service or have an authorized on-site visit you. No way around it.
Thank you for sharing your use case, provides alot of insight into how these systems are utilized in the audio world. Going to enjoy this Playlist!
I'm here from Linus. Love your channel!
I don't like Apple stuff but I like the fact that you decided to be smart with the RAM
I'd love to see the full rack with this mounted in there.
Hey Neil
Great video. I have 1 HDX card. I will be purchasing the rack mount very soon. Would i still need the aux power cable bundle that you purchased? Unfortunately i did not install my own card so i am not sure if a power cable was attached or if it is running off of the pic e slots power. is there a list of all the items you purchased so i will know what to get?
Thank you
One thing I've noticed from talking to so many HDX owners is that there's no consistency of which power cables people have. So you may want to buy the AUX kit, and worst case return it.
My power cable looked like this:
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TCB-HDXB--sonnet-technologies-tcb-hdxb-power-adapter-cable-for-avid-pro-toolshdx-pcie
So I used that and the AUX kit to rig it up
@@NeilParfittMusic Thank you Neil. Your video on the rack mount mac pro is friggin awesome man. I really appreciate the detail. Continued success to you :)
I appreciate the time and effort you spent making the video for us all. I’ve subscribed in the hopes of seeing it up and working. 👍
Thankyou! Yes, I’ll be making a few more for sure
Did the internal USB hub work for both devices? If so I’m copying you
yep!
amazon
Onvian 3 Port USB Hub
Neil Parfitt thank you!
This came into my reccomended and great review man!
Absolutly agree with your reasons to purchase... same reason i spent $15,000 on mine👍... i need to spend my time working, not trying to get my pc/hackentosh to work... 25 years working on Mac & no problems 😁
Let's hope that this one doesn't end up like the Xserve did.
I seriously doubt it. It’s about time they actually catered to professionals. How often do you walk into a studio and there’s a computer on the floor or table surrounded by racks?
Xserve was a stripped down server. This is a computer that fits in a rack.
@@thetruthexperiment Fingers-Crossed
Yup. 2 completely different products. Ones a server, ones a workstation
Congratulations and way to go, Neil! Thanks for sharing this video (and your adorable cat!) with us. Very useful info & observations.
14:56 and that is what right to repair is about, because you say/assume the process of sorting that issue out is absurd
The reason there are no components in front of the cube is for unobstructed air flow for air exiting the cube for cooling. You will also notice the PCIe card slots as well have an unobstructed path for air to flow across the installed cards and out the chassis.
this is the most hardcore thing ever, this is amazing
That was really great vid. I love this stuff but don't have a significant use case for it but I still geek out seeing everything. Thanks for all the detail and explanations. You made that video really interesting even if I don't understand a lot of it. Cheers.
i'd like to see someone in a datacenter changing memory by laying on the floor trying to upgrade or replace ram sticks... lovely design :D but great review!
Hi! Great Video, Can you please tell me what brand and model the external RAM you bought is?
Thank you!
Hi Anton, I mention it in the vid - but it's Nemix - Apple Mac Pro 2019 7,1 Memory 128GB DDR4-2666Mhz PC4-21300 288-Pin LRDIMM. I bought them on Amazon. I now have 12 sticks for 768GB memory.
@@NeilParfittMusic Thank you so much for the answer, I’ve just bought a Mac Pro Rack, Do you know if these external ram’s are compatible with the newer versions instead of 2019?
@@antonfargaupetrini it's the exact same machine so no problem
11:05 NOT STUPID AT ALL. A VERY VALID POINT! i mean wtf. how did they miss that. altho it's not as bad as not being able to replace MacOS BOOTABLE drives.
This is a question, not a criticism. When you replaced the factory 32gb, you left 4 slots open. Why not use the extra 32gb that you paid for?
The architecture is triple channel - so it performs best in 6 or 12 sticks of equal size.
Also, there's two different types of memory it can take, but they won't work if installed together.
I knew I'd be replacing the ram it shipped with as the capacity shipped is laughable, and Apple memory pricing is a la Wheels.. insane. So I got the minimum and sold it the moment I installed my larger capacity modules.
@@NeilParfittMusic Thank you so much for the reply. I'm seeing all kinds of new content now that I'm working from home. I appreciate you.
@@davidallen3158 Thanks, David! Appreciate the kind words! :)
What a rarity, an honest,
reasonable Apple user
RESPECT!
I’ve been living under a rock. I had no idea they did this and WOW that is the most attractive looking rack mount I’ve ever seen
This mans smile is legendary...
God he’s like a big bear you just wanna give a big hug to!
First actual use-case review I've seen for the Mac Pro. Thanks Neil!
"The cardboard box is so pretty, I am glad I paid 10k for it"
What are you thinking about apple silicon. Just wondering if that in the future may affect your workflow.
"this is great because I can just open it up and instal ram with out unplugging anything" proceeds to mount 1u from the floor, and the ram is on the bottom of the machine. 🧐
it was there temporarily until my cabinet arrived, it’s now about 2’ off the floor. I can easily get to it
@@NeilParfittMusic upside-down from the floor, under a mess of HDX ports that luckily screw in... I'm not saying you made the wrong choice but not sure the reason you gave there is a thoughtful one.
@@NeilParfittMusic wow you replied that you have it two feat from the floor... failed to mention that there is gear under it.
ASAP ATHEIST it’s on rack rails.. the computer slides out 18” in front of racked gear below it. Full access to the memory as well as full access to computer internals from the top, no unhooking of anything required as everything going to the computer is on a harness with plenty of slack. I’m not sure what isn’t thoughtful about that...
And also.. how often does one change out ram? Like once every 1.5 years? There’s 384gb in there. If I have to lay under the computer once every 546 day’s for 1 minute to add some more sticks... who cares??
Best rack review I’ve seen despite the unnecessary negativity. Thanks!
And here I am, after figuring out how to build an extremely future expansive home server with MiniSAS, HDSAS, Pcie4.0 and 3ds 2TB RAM possible, thinking, if only someone had just a similar quality rack case to buy to build it on it...
I’m glad they built a rack unit. I’ve been waiting for a rack mount sense the X-Serve days. Looking forward to getting mine. I already got the 4 m.2 carrier card. Amfeltech now has the 6 m.2 carrier card! Yikes! Mine gets 6GB burst read speeds. The 6 m.2 gets some ridiculous 10GB or 12GB burst reads. I once had to carry a water cooled G5 to a mall based Apple Store. That was not pleasant. The G5 was one heavy tower (but nothing compared to this military grade beast).
I like how the stickers are black like my heart
😂
The extra connector for the HDX cards you said you had to buy to hook up the power to the HDX cards? Can you put a link to that. I'm ready to throw my HDX cards in my tower. I have the standing version... didn't get the rack. But doing the same thing. Thanks
I had the proper cable with my cards but still needed
The aux power kit. I know sonnet also sells cables for the hdx cards/2019 machine - I’d start there
Neil Parfitt I have a Sonnet Chassis that the HDX card was in. Do you think it’s in the chassis? What does it look like?
@@samknaak it's the 4 prong standard hard drive style molex or the full size PCIe 6pin power cable that splits off to up to 3 hdx cards
@@NeilParfittMusic So that reaches the power output inside? I don't think mine reaches. Darn is there an extender needed. Yea I really wish there was a youtube video explaining and showing this. Sitting here looking at my card in my tower and have no idea how to hook this up. help!!
@@samknaak I still needed the aux power kit... goes from the motherboard’s mini power header to the 6pin pcie power cable I had for my hdx cards
Drop of sweat falling onto the mobo at 15:08. Congratulations on voiding your warranty!
Is vid2 up yet ?
There’s a ton!
Clicked for Mac Pro unboxing
Liked for awesome cat!
Fantastic review. I enjoy your mix of excitement and honest criticism of this machine. Thanks for the video!
Regarding what you said about 14:00 when they have that dead space... there wasn't room for more I/O because the Intel Xeon chips only have 64 PCIE lanes, and the card slots they have completely and totally occupy those lanes, so there is no room for anything else.
I love your idea about having a drop-in drive cage, though. I REALLY wish they'd done that.
They did do that...
Was there a reason to remove the 32 gigs of RAM that came with it? There were plenty of slots still available for them, and the guide shows how to put the pairs so the size difference shouldn't impact performance.
yes - 6channel memory architecture. 6 sticks or 12 sticks of equal size yields best performance,
"i mean its just a keyboard who cares" mechanical keyboard community :0
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Why you need keyboards, color coding, AVID? after effects?
What is mechanical? old IBM click you need, why that?
@@lucasrem feel, speed, Accuracy and well looks. You can get hundreds of different switches so it's all about finding what you like then building a keyboard that works/looks good for you. It's not for everyone but almost anyone who tries mechanical for like a week will most probably like it
@@lucasrem Consistency among key presses, sure there is the aspect of creating your own keyboard.
But there are tons of options out there in terms of a mechanical keyboard out of the box.
There is also PBT Keycaps which (most membrane keyboards all use ABS) which you can get for Mechanical Keyboards that don't lose the font on the key over time, usually from natural oils on your fingertips, this font degradation is accelerated with eating near your keyboard too obviously.
Finally, tactility does improve accuracy, one of the biggest reasons why you see phones come with vibrate when you tap a key on the digital keyboard, it lets you feel some form of tactility making sure you know you didn't mess up. Essentially, this tactility allows faster typing since you don't need to look down, or hit backspace nearly as often.
He is right in a sense...no matter what you use, its still just a keyboard.
“Does Apple care come with hired guns to escort me through the parking lot?” HAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂 was thinking along the same lines about purchasing one
Love it Neil!
Excellent review. I keep on hearing that audio pros prefer Mac for many practical reasons. The majority of Mac Pro review are from video editors, glad to see a review from an actual audio pro.
Whos here because of Linus?
Really interesting to see a Mac Pro review done by a professional who really uses its full potential because work demands it, and not a review done by some Apple fanboy who automatically loves everything the company throws at him/her. Thumbs up and thanks for sharing!