Yeah, the book did make the ending more for them 2 than everyone else which was nice. But they still needed that big send off, let's be honest, If the movie had ended with them going to Simon's house instead of the big ferris wheel. I really dont think it wouldve had that big of an impant
kasey driscoll that's true though. Maybe adding Alice in the movie might make it a bit more intresting and having a party at the house or something when they go to the dinner idk but i genuinley missed the guitar and drum perfomance of simon's sister and Leah
The ending was so much better in the book, because the fact that Bram was uncomfortable with coming out publicly was respected. They were only out as a couple to close friends and family, not the entire city of Atlanta.
In the book Simon was SURE that Blue was Cal, the kid from his drama class, blond with blue hair. He thought Bram was really cute, but didn't connect the dots. When they met, it wasn't even on a ferris wheel, I believe. No crowed was there. Just them. It was private and perfect. In the movie they really messed that up
In the book they were on a tilt a whirl and he made a point to go on that ride last, because he knew blue got nauseous easily but he had given up and the park was closing. It was a really cute scene and it makes me sad that they took it out.
I loved the movie and the book, but the ending bothered me too. The reason it was so special in the book is because Blue talked about how those spinny rides always made him puke. And so when Simon went to the fair, he rode everything but that one. He went on it to give Blue just a LIIIIITTLE more time. And BAM right as he starts spinning someone else shows up. He can't even process who it is until the ride stops. No audience, no 'all hail the gay kids meeting', no public makeout out on the ferris wheel. A true fairytale ending. THAT'S what sold me on the book... I mean, who wants their first date with someone to be broadcast across their whole school. If the kids at my school did that, I'd just leave. I couldn't so that. Not after years of hiding it.
Broken Blookie exactly , like it’s so unrealistic. Like as a (mostly ) straight girl I’m not going to be smooching on some guy in front of a audience. I’m too self conscious about that . But there’s no way two boys who only recently came out are going to be smooching in front of a audience . Like there’s the whole awkward factor but the homophobia factor is added to that . It’s just too much risk.
One thing people are forgetting is the fact that its a romcom, things are going to be extra and unrealistic, so for people to say that they didn't enjoy the movie because of a public kiss/coming out in front of the whole school is just ridiculous.
What gets me is that the best friend is in love with him, the entire time and is so supportive about his crush and him coming out. Which is honestly just the best thing. Even at the end she isn't salty about moving to the back seat. Like what a true friendship
Ronnie Yeah. I really didnt like her, especially after the coming out. lt took me like 5 watches to finally understand the "You set me up to get my heart broken when you thought I was in love with Nick, and that just makes you cruel." It bothered me because he didn't know that until this very scene. Then I realized while he didn't know that Leah liked him, he DID know that Nick was into Abbey. So even if Leah WAS in love with Nick, Simon "set her up to get her heart broken" because Simon set her up with a guy he knew had the hots for someone else. So to Simon, it looked like he was just trying to give everyone a chance. To his friends, especially Leah, it looked like he was forcing them into hopeless situations.
In the book ( or maybe leah on the off beat) Leah explains to us that she liked Simon in middle school, but the crush never went anywhere. But also that year where simon came out and everything she liked Abby. I know that she wasnt ready to come out to simon or her friends at the time, because she was scared. So thats possibly why she said she liked simon idk. Either way it wasnt like that in the book. I dont know how many people know, but Leah is a bisexual queen and I love her to bits.
I have a best friend. I fell in love with him but he never reciprocated my feelings. And I always wondered why doesn't he like me like that even though he like me so much in a platonic way. But then I realised that he's most probably into guys but I am not the kind of person who labels people. But after a while he came out to me. And I didn't feel bad at all about it. I was rather happy that he trusted me enough to come out me. Also it actually explained why he never reciprocated my feelings. He's my bestest buddy forever. And we both love each other so much in a platonic way. It could never be any better than this.
Chen's I cant believe I hated Leah's reaction in the movie, in the book she's pissed with Simon because he told Abby first and then their group left her out which is far more understandable than "I had a crush on you and you didn't like me back" it infuriated me to watch
I was just mad at how angry and horrible his friends were to him? Like he was going through some tough shit... they could’ve tried to understand since they didn’t have to come out.
but that is the point, it is high school high school student think everything is about them. Like Nick said, "what does that have to do with us, Simon". self centered high school students.
Sadly that’s what happens in real life. When I came out I told some friends that I wasn’t that close with first, since I was too nervous to tell my best friend of 8 years, and then they told her and she got really mad because I didn’t tell her.
ShootingStar ASMR you may not but some people who might have a stigma against LGBTQ could. This happened to one of my friends where she came out and she lost a few friends because of it.
It's a lot less forced in the book. He's black and Jewish in the book. It's not a public post in the book but one last email. And they don't kiss on a Ferris Wheel. Instead they meet in a Tilt A Whirl and Simon doesn't even know if he should hold his hand because he doesn't know if he's out yet. So the movie went a little bigger and more grand gesture.
I honestly liked the way they did it in the book a lot better. the whole audience thing felt a little weird and it was a lot. but i think they were trying to make a big statement with the ending and make it a very YA movie climactic resolution. it was still a great film tho
While the book ending is way more realistic, I didn't pay 15 dollars to not see them kiss 😜. The movie ending is just Rom-Com fan service (for people like me)
i have two theories. 1. "blue" is bisexual, which explains why he was making out with the girl during the party. 2. "blue" made out with the girl to strengthen the odds of him staying closeted, as he wasn't ready for his secret to be revealed yet. that way, it anyone tried to call him gay, that girl could be like "nah bro he made out with me and we hadn't even talked yet"
aud I agree in some ways, so this is something some people may not have noticed. When Simon and his friends show up to the party you can see in the background the same girl that Bram is kissing, walking in the background watching Bram. And it appears that the girl and Bram were walking away from the same spot, because of this I assume they were talking at the time. You may use this information to create as many theories as you like.
Bram himself told Simon he was gay on the ferris Wheel. There are plenty of times when someone is gay, and gets drunk and ends up doing something they regret. He was still in the closet and could have felt pressure to kiss her because he wanted his secret to be protected. He was drunk and did a drunken mistake like he said. But anyway, he is gay and that came from his own mouth.
In the book Blue and Simon Flirt more in their messages and they actually seem like They are in Love. (And Simon DOES not even expect that Blue is Bram what makes it more of a Plot twist. I recommend the book for everyone who watched the movie
I’ve both watched the movie and read the book, and the movie was pretty loyal to the book, except for a few parts, for example this part In the book, Simon doesn’t wait on _one_ ride for Bram, he actively looks for him, and when the park is about to close, he goes on the one ride Bram hates (which this is brought up earlier since we’re able to see the emails between the two in the book), the Tilt-A-Whirl. Just when the ride is about to start, Bram hops in the booth thing and he and Simon have a nice, private conversation, and they start dating soon after. Hell, Simon nor Bram didn’t tell anybody that they were dating at first, Simons friends only found out because he updated his Facebook status from single to in a relationship. I was pretty upset that they changed this in the movie, but I get it, they couldn’t show _all_ the emails that were in the book, so they improvised. I’m also pretty disappointed that they cut out the part where Bram & Simon go on a date while skipping lunch, it was pretty disappointing to see it wasn’t there. Also the part where Bram was making out with that girl? _That wasn’t even in the books_ . I’m not sure _why_ they put it there, same with the Waffle House guy, he didn’t even exist at all.
Yeah, in the book Bram isn't suspected to be Blue. He's mentioned (Simon thinks he's cute) but not enough for you to suspect him. Instead, Simon is a lot more focused on the blonde kid with the blue eyes. He thinks he's Blue for a while, not just like 5 minutes, which confused me in the movie. But I guess they thought audiences may get too attached to the blonde kid being Blue, or needing to fill up the time somehow? I don't know. I just felt like the way they handled Bram being Blue in the movie was a bit messy.
Simon is in high school, not college. Love this movie tho. But I can see why the ending bothered you. Think it felt better in the book and they wanted to land on the same event. This, Game Night, and B. Panther have been my favorite movies so far this year...I gave this movie an A+ in my review video on my channel 😄
EskimoTV why didn’t you like the ending? And the other characters didn’t need more development. You knew about them; what they did for a living, and why they chose to go in
Yeah that ending never happened in the book, Simon didn't post anything in Litchfield he sender him an email to come to the amusement park, no one knew he was coming, they met in a zero gravity ride where no one was there but them, because the park was about to close which made it WAYYY better. Also, Bram never made out with a girl in the book, I'm pretty sure, the only scenes he was in was in the cafeteria complimenting the oreos and in the soccer ball field, but Simon never had a crush on him at all, the only person he thought was Blue was Cal but that was it. I was sad when they did this in the movie, it could've been better.
Actually, in the book, Simon only ever had a crush on Blue, even though he didn't know his real identity at the time. His crush on Cal was completely predicated on his assumption that Cal was Blue. When that proved not to be true, the crush dissipated. Besides Cal, he also briefly thought Martin, the guy who outed him, could be Blue. Every time he saw Bram though, he made a point of mentally referring to him as "cute Bram" and greeting him with a smile.
I agree. No one's friends have any rights to your life. Gay or not it's his life not their life. They have no reason or right to get upset because he doesn't tell them he I Gay
In the book the end makes much more sense, Bram never stops the emails, they just both stop sending them to eachother as Bram knows that Simon is the other person. Simon sends Bram another email saying that he will be at the fair, but doesn't tell anyone about it, so none of his friends know. When they meet, which is not actually on the ferris wheel in the book, Simon asks Bram if they can hold hands as he knows Bram is not out, and when Bram says yes, they hold hands. It is a lot less forced in the book compared to the film.
I thought i was the only one who disliked how Simon forced Blue to reveal his identity in front of the whole school and everyone in the town yet he himself got outed and got mad as hell that he couldn’t come out on his own terms
1st of all, he did NOT force or out Bram. He convinced him to come out of his own volition. 2nd that only happens in the movie. In the book, he comes out to Simon privately and later comes out to their friends when he’s ready. Unlike what Martin did, Simon gave Bram a choice, and Bram personally chose that that was the time to come out himself
I haven't seen the movie, but in the book, he was NOT hanging out with bram, getting all flirty, at any party or other place. And also, people weren't waiting at the ferris wheel like a spectacle. It was a very private and sweet moment. I'm kinda mad at the movie for doing that, and also for making Bram smooch some girl just so they could trick the audience. I'm really not cool with that.
You started your review with "I haven't seen the movie[...]" so that right there pretty much invalidates your point, sorry! Be mad all you want that a movie adaptation isn't exactly like the source material but personally, I was happy we got our big teen movie moment in the end, a la the boombox scene in Say Anything. And if you did see the film (which you didn't) you'd know that Bram kissing that girl is explained in the movie and that he was participating in compulsory heterosexuality because he was confused and scared of being gay. I goes a lot deeper than just a cheap shot at the end. Definitely check out the actual movie next time before commenting. xoxo!
honestly though if you like someone you shouldn't be doing that plus what was the point of tricking the audience besides rather it was to act straight would it really matter?.. I don't understand after all everyone lives different lives.
The point of the “smooch” is that every time in the movie when he thinks he had figured out who Blue is his heart gets shattered and he gives up on the thought of it being that person. It happens two other time in the movie with two other boys. They did that so in the end you don’t know who to expect to be Blue and it’s fun to find out with Simon. But I agree about the audience. The ending of the book is much better then the movie in my opinion, but jut the fact that the LGBTQ+ community has gained a gay love story is a step in the right direction.
Also the party wasn’t even at Bram’s house. He wasn’t there. Leah and Nora were out of character. Simon is supposed to be blind. Leah actually liked Nick not Simon. And a shit load of other things
okay but its not that rare for someone who's closeted to make out with someone of another gender. like people will do a lot to cover up the fact they're gay, clearly not everyone is as excepting as your friends and family.
justførkicks “and even if you’re gay that doesn’t mean your not even attracted to genders other than your own” ... that literally means just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you’re gay
justførkicks yes, and bisexual or pansexual people aren’t “gay”. What you said was gay people don’t always have to be attracted to only the same gender, which wouldn’t make them gay????????
I have a crazy amount of problems with this movie. The book had a way more realistic picture of being gay; not too many people care, bullying isn’t incredibly intense, friends are usually very accepting (granted... I completely understand that certain things affect that and that’s not exact but it is my version of being gay and a lot of my friends) the movie however... there was a lot of intense bullying, unaccepting, and just all around instances of him being gay a big deal.... and then the ending flips it all on its head and all of a sudden everyone is okay with him, everyone is cheering him on and suddenly Blue is out of the closet.... whereas in the book their meet up was more secretive EVEN WHEN EVERYONE ACCEPTED HIM
as someone who came out in real life the movie was alot more accurate for me besides the whole ending obviously. not to mention everyones experience is different especially considering the world we live in. also id like to point out that no one wasnt not ok with him being gay actually the only ones who had a "problem" with it were the two bullies, the student body themselves were just gossiping about it since there was only one "out" kid before him
No one really bullied Simon after he was exposed tho. It was really only the one dude who was a homophobe. Homophobia exists and it needs to be addressed.
@@susu-pu6pf i agree with you. The movie was much more realistic IMO. The parts that really got me were Simon's fear of coming out even though he thought no one would be upset. That hits home because I was the same way. Also his mother's speech was beautiful, that's something that every gay person should hear, and Simon yelling at Martin for outing him is also something I think people need to hear. In the book I don't think any of his friends were even remotely justified in being mad at him. I don't think the way Martin outted him in the books was really that big of a deal. I didn't care for the whole gay bar thing in the book. I didn't think it was realistic for Junior's in high school.
kiara it wasn’t!! It was so much more personal and a little more romantic in the book. But I guess the message the movie was trying to get across was like not being afraid to be who you are because Blue actually tells Simon something like he didn’t think he had it in him to meet him in front of everyone until he just started walking towards him.
נעה אופק omg ik this is probably weird but finally i found someone that's a fan of the book and the movie that's from Israel, so u know the struggle (that the movie is gonna be in theaters on June 21st here in Israel and it's just so disappointing and it made me so sad ) 😭😅😢
SPOILER ALERT The book ending was much more logical in this sense. Bram gives him a shirt, which has a note in it with his number (he does this anonymously though). He keeps the shirt for WEEKS until he sees it the day of the carnival and proceeds to email Bram, without knowing it’s Bram of course, and Bram is late because he didn’t think to check his email until much later. There’s a lot of things the movie trimmed from the book that I disagree with, the shirt thing being one of them.
Cool cool, but actually, Bram explained why he kissed the girl. There was this one scene in the ferris wheel where Simon said that he thought Bram was straight. But Bram explained that he was too drunk to think what he was doing. (If you re-watch Love, Simon online, you can see how many ungodly amounts of Simon and Bram drank at the party) and voila, the miracle couple kissed at the end. But hey, this is still a good video
@@radrobd123 no not really chances are he was just going through an internal struggle and a part of him wanted to do what other “normal” guys do that and like he said he was drunk and realized after trying it that he wasn’t into it and stopped after Simon walked in.
I took the scene with Blue as him figuring out his sexuality. I believe he mentions that in the movie as well. I'll give you that the ending didn't have to have the whole school cheering on Blue and Simon, but at the same time I'm not bothered by Berlanti's decision. For one, Blue blocks Simon's messages, so there's no way for Simon to get Blue's attention on Gmail. He had to announce it publicly. And he also had to get Blue to meet at a place that would get everyone talking so he know Blue would show up. So what better place than the school fair/carnival? As for making the choice of Blue a "twist" I do admit it was a rather obvious choice, but in the book the choice of Blue to be (SPOILERS) a person of color coincided with the message of not making white the default. That's kind of where there needed to be a "twist." The book not only asks readers to think of why "straight" is the default but why "white" is the default as well. The movie sort of implied this when Simon kept imagining Blue as white. The movie just never really addresses the race issue. I'm glad you liked the film, though! I truly hope it makes enough money at the box office so we can get more mainstream queer YA movies.
Yes! The loss of a more explicit emphasis on the idea of "white" being the default as well as "straight is what I find myself missing from the adaptation. Part of what made me love the book and the film is that it shows a representation of people who are accepting of more than just one thing. This part of the conversation has been missing from most of the press junket too. I think I've only read one article that noted how diverse the cast is. Which is surprising to me considering how recent the Oscars and the whole #inclusionrider movement is. What's frustrating to me in this video is the "this kid ain't Jewish". WTF? The actor is mixed. No, not Jewish, but notably mixed. Elsewhere in the comment section are equally ignorant comments about the plausibility of him being Jewish. Why? How is this so difficult to believe,? Mixed kids aren't all Drake pale, we're a whole spectrum of shades. Alexandra Shipp (Abby) is mixed too, different shade, and still not as pale as Drake. Honestly, I was expecting more colourism complaints (which probably will still come) than this "he can't be black and Jewish" stuff. All in all, despite that slight disappointment, I think this movie is a pretty good adaptation for the spirit of the book, with only minor changes. There was some change to the end to give it a movie worthy climax, but that's the point. The aim was to be a *mainstream* teen coming of age flick about a gay kid. Teen dramatics and Hollywood ending obviously included.
Yeah I definitely noticed how Simon defaulted to imagining Blue as white when he wasn’t suspecting anyone specific. I’m glad that was an intentional thing, but yeah if it’s more explicit in the books, I do wish it were more explicit in the movie too. Because then there would’ve been more of a point to it.
I thought the author didn't need to have the straight-default sentence, I mean it was pretty obvious that Simon did not expect Bram. However, that is not unreasonable to make, since most American Jews are white and the coming out rate among Black Americans is much lower than among white ones. As for the movie, I think they put more emphasis on Bram at the party to have the audience connect more with him or even guess it themselves, and the kissing was to throw them off. If I remember correctly the character did say on the wheel that he was drunk, didn't know what was going on and it ended seconds after Simon was gone.
The book provides a lot more insight as to why It is Bram and It actually is a much more private moment between them I️ like the book’s ending much better.
B Graziano I agtee. The books ending was way better but I didn't hate this ending. It seemed a little too public but I'm not mad. The book had a lot of different things than the movie did and they adapted and changed but it's a good adaption.
BlackMask9159 I️ think it’s a really great adaptation, they did an excellent job and even though it’s different, it’s still really good and faithful to the characters. The only thing I️ didn’t like about the movie was how public that scene was because It didn’t seem to match up with how private Bram is. (It was still so adorable though)
B Graziano yeah it was really public. I thought that was a little weird but I get it. Everyone was so curious because Simon sent the last email publicly and people are always just so invested in everyone else's relationships. It's adorable af thou.
My problem is a few story flaws. When his friends got mad at him for lying to hide his secret annoyed me, because he was being threatened by another kid who intended to out him on the Internet. Good friends would forgive him because being gay can be hard in a community that doesn’t respect us properly, but that is a trope that I despise. And the“is that guy gay? Oh no he was making out with a girl at that party. HAHA SURPRISE THAT WAS FAKE HE IS GAY” thing was basically all that annoyed me.
To be fair, they weren't mad because he was gay. they were mas that he messed up their lives to keep it a secret, that he manipulated each and everyone of them.
I think that Nick and Abby were justified in being mad at Simon, but not Leah. Simon didn't help himself by ostracizing himself when his friends were trying to help him.
Carlos Alejandro Alvarenga yeah, that’s like being black and saying you’re Chinese. Jews aren’t black, sure you can join Jewish community, integrate but they aren’t black.
Casey if your mom is Jewish you’re Jewish for example drake is Jewish because his mom is Jewish and a lot of Jews are European these days when they didn’t start off being white, they mixed in with Europeans and had no problem doing so....
I have many issues with things you just said so this might get long. You might not read it, but oh well lol: A) You say the ending is manipulative, but well aren't all movies? Especially rom-coms? Also on top of that you mention Keiynan Lonsdale's character Bram/Blue "He ain't Drake. He ain't Jewish." Ummmm why can't he be? There are plenty of black Jewish people. Drake isn't the only one, he's just the most famous one. On top of that Keiynan Lonsdale is himself half white just like Drake. Alexandra Shipp who played Abbey is half white as well, so she could very well be Jewish too. Soooo....I'm not understanding your argument. And they even bring this up at the end of the movie, where he said "So you're Jewish" And Bram laughs and says "Yeah and I'm black too." And it's not a unnecessary twist because it's in the book too. So the movie is faithful to the source material. B) You say because they were at the party and are both gay they should have been flirting with each other. Yes they were both attracted to each other almost immediately. Why do you think they were practically with each other most of the night? The problem is yes both of the characters are gay, but they don't know that about each other. As much as gay people like to talk about gaydar and stuff we don't always know who is gay and who isn't. Also they are in high school and still trying to figure out the gay thing. In addition to that, with it being a high school party and Bram being on the soccer team, it's pretty safe to assume everybody knows who he is. I mean just look at how many people showed up to the party, and he probably knows most of those people since again they go to school together. So you're comment about it not making sense that he hooked up with some girl when they didn't have time to get to know each other doesn't really make sense. Simon and Bram weren't together all night, just most of the night. So there was a whole swath of time that they weren't together. Remember as Simon was getting more and more drunk he continued to sing Karaoke, like 1 or 2 more songs without Bram. You even showed it in the clips of this video with Simon on stage singing without Bram. And on top of that he was giving himself a pep talk in the bathroom. And they even brought this back up at the end of the movie where he said he got drunk, hooked up with her, but it didn't go anywhere and he ended it like 1 min after Simon caught them. I mean that happens. There are plenty of gay people that will hook up with the opposite sex, ESPECIALLY when they are in the closet, then you add the high school element to it and it makes sense to me. C) Finally yes was the ending a little cheesy with everybody watching and taking pictures and stuff, yes, but that's real life in the sense that people are nosey as hell. He essentially came out again on a school wide blog, called out the mysterious Blue. So just like the audience the students want to know who Blue is too, and he almost didn't show, but of course it's a rom-com so there has to be a happy ending just like most movies. And this movie takes place in a small suburban town in Georgia so it's not necessarily an acceptable thing for people to be out. Hell even with as much progress as we've made in gay rights today there are STILL dozens upon dozens of people that are in the closet. Coming out is also a process and some people never go through that progress sadly. In Bram's case it was his conversations with Simon that gave him the strength to come out to his father. Sometimes, and this is speaking from experience, people just need a little push to come out. Even Simon's outing eventually gave him the strength to take ownership of his truth and come out to his parents and come out again on the school blog. So Simon's grand gesture was him shooting his shot towards Blue. It's almost no different than when people make grand gestures to propose for marriage, sometimes even after all that effort the person will say no, but you gotta shot your shot. That was the theme of this movie, that's even on the poster "Everyone deserves a great love story."
It was good movie -You’re right romcoms are manipulative..that’s why I expected this one to be better. -He is Jewish in the book....in the movie, he’s throwing a party on a Saturday which contradicts that -the kissing also isn’t in the book. Just put there too trick us when the book was already good
Let Me Explain In the book it never said he was a practicing Jew. His mother was actually described to be Episcopalian while his father is Jewish. Also as a high schooler, 2018 is not the accepting place you think it is whatsoever. “Fag” is consistently used still and many out kids are bashed on a daily basis- and I live in a liberal county outside of Washington DC
Hello Pomme frites, I have the feeling, that all will go well! If you have the kind of parents, that take the time, to go to see a "teen, coming of age" movie with you, they must be overboard in love with you and genuinely care about you and who you are.! do they know, that the movie, is LGBT themed??.. my humble advice...come out with confidence and love for yourself....don't apologise...I've seen many to many, coming out vids to know, when a kid aproches the subject, with the thought that they feel bad about being gay or may disappointed someone, they put themselves at a disadvantage... you're not your not telling them that you're a cleptomanic.... That's something your able to change..you weren't born a thief...you are born gay.....thats who you are..like, being born with blond hair, brown eyes, left handed, your born gay!! If they, or anyone else has a problem with it, keep in mind, that the problem is there problem, not yours.... BIG ADVICE!! ..don't come out, when someone is driving...you don't want them to drive into a tree. Haha! ..best wishes, for a smooth and eventless, transition, to the authentic life you deserve!!!l Am I correct in assuming, that your parents aren't far right religious fantastics??
Savage Potato ,lucky boy!!!!......I have a feeling, that you think, that they already know.....not necessary, but if you think about it, let me know how things turn out....so you know, I teach and also council kids and have been through this, with kids, numorious times....often, when I see coming out vids, I wish I could have talked to the kid, before he\she came out..
I believe they wanted to avoid the scene with them at Simon's room. Overall, compared to the book, the movie feels toned down. Especially Simon and Blue's relationship as they ommited all their flirting and sex talks. I loved those parts because Simon was always a mess after Blue said something a bit steamy. I also loved how the book ends. It's pretty romantic and funny too.
Let Me Explain If it was exactly like the book, the people who read it would already know what happened. thats why most movies arent the exact same as the book
both what he did in the book and in the movie was very realistic. some gay people never get with the opposite sex even before coming out, and some people try it and have different experiences with the opposite sex to see if they like it/because they feel bad about being gay/being pressured by other people to do it and trying to stay in the closet that way. so to me (being gay and remembering what it was like as a teenager) it made a lot of sense either way. I totally agree about the ending though, the movie made it way too much.. in the book it was more realistic and also sweeter (in my opinion, not liking big public gestures).
There is a SHIT TON of stuff they changed for the movie. For example, you didn’t like the ending because it never took place in the book. In the book, no one but Simon knew that he was waiting for blue. In the book, the emails weren’t leaked, but he was outed on the creeksecrets tumblr... everything you didn’t like didn’t take place in the book. Also his friends didn’t turn away in the book, they went even deeper and were empathetic
That takes away my problem with Simon using a big, romantic gesture to essential force Blue out of the closet. But did he still use Abby as an object to be traded? And did he still, in his minds since he thought she loved Nick, set Leah up to not only have her heart broken, but devastated (remembering her quote about loving someone so much it nearly kills her)? If so, I kind of think the book friends let him off too easy and really need to re-evaluate their friendship with him because he’s been incredibly terrible to them.
Tad Tranclere No, he didn’t do any of that to his friends. In the book, he suspected that Leah likes Nick, but that was all there was to it. The reason Martin outed him in the first place was because he didn’t think Simon was helping him with Abby enough.
He outed him because Abby rejected him when he asked her out, and later, he saw Simon and Abby showing physical platonic affection for each other (which I suppose he interpreted romantically). Also, in the book, Nick was pretty oblivious to the blackmailing (although Simon and Abby probably told him eventually). The only thing Simon did with Martin and Abby was go to a party and a restaurant with them. In the book, Leah didn't like Nick, but Simon thought she did, and it was hinted in a few scenes that she liked someone else (whose name I won't reveal for the sake of spoilers).
Oh honey ,,, everyone knows gays can’t flirt we just hope think each other are cute and die Also none of your “problems” with the movie are in the book so you might wanna check it out its a 10/10
Idk man, I personally didn’t think the ending was forced per say. I also wouldn’t call it necessarily manipulative. I understand the confusion of Bram kissing the girl at the party, but it’s like he said: he was drunk and confused and it ended like two seconds later. It is normal to be confused. They’re teenagers for Christ’s sake. I know friends who have experimented and realized that it wasn’t right for them. That’s kind of how I saw Bram’s situation at the party. He was confused, as all teenagers are. And yes, the ending is different than the book, but it still holds the same message. In the book and movie, Simon is almost stood up, but Bram comes at the last second. I do feel like the whole audience around the ferris wheel was a bit awkward, but at the same time, I can totally see kids from my school doing that, so who knows. I dunno. I’m from where this story is based (Atlanta, Georgia), so I guess that’s why Simon’s situation and story resonates with me so deeply. I literally live where he does and I’ve seen friends come out and friendships almost be broken over it and assholes tease them about being gay. I just felt like the movie was pretty accurate and refreshing. I loved it.
I did feel like having the audience was akward but I don't think that's what Simon wanted or through would happen. He just posted it on the blog because it was the only way to contact Blue and after all the drama with Simon being gay and the mystery kid he emails, of course people would show up at the place to see who it was because teenagers are like that. I liked the book ending better but I still loved the movie
I reread the book the other day and I haven’t read it since before I saw the movie (and I’ve seen the movie another three times since) and I forgot how amazing the book was in comparison to the movie. Like, the only big things that are similar are the names, the email and Simon getting outed by Martin. One of simons two sisters got written out. The party scene doesn’t even happen in the book, blue (bram) wasn’t even there. And in an email to Simon, he said that once he knew he was gay he didn’t see the point in having girlfriends or doing anything with girls. Yet in the film, he’s in the bedroom with a girl. Which kind of changes his whole character. As does him stopping communication with Simon, which doesn’t really happen in the book.
damn can’t gay teens just have a cheesy romcom. i’m not saying it’s exempt from criticism i’m gay myself but you have to understand the historical significance of a gay movie that isn’t filled with heartbreak and pain. it was a lot for me when i watched it. it gave me hope. i watched teen movies my entire life feeling isolated and alienated bc i couldn’t relate to being straight. also people can be jewish and black. it’s incredibly ignorant that you believe it’s almost impossible. black jewish gay people exist. i just think this criticism is extremely stupid and at this point it’s just nitpicking. it was a corny teen movie. it was a corny teen movie for gay teenagers who desperately needed this to feel normal for once in their lives, like me. let it be. let us have a sweet love story that isn’t filled with death, pain, and heartbreak.
Glad you liked it! It’s him throwing Sabbath parties when he wasn’t in the book that contradicts him being “Jewish” in the movie. Nothing to do with ignorance but bad screenwriting
Let Me Explain i don’t think that’s bad writing. that’s just changing a small part of his character for the movie. who said that movies have to be the same as the source material? again i just think you’re nitpicking at this point. but whatever you can have your criticisms. i just think the way you phrased about him being jewish and black just came off a bit eh.
1. He's in high school 2. I'm actually very happy where you live it's supper excepted where I'm living it's excepted kinda you don't get "bullied" but it's not the best time of your life, but even so when you're gay telling someone your biggest longest kept secret that completely changes (for most gays) your life it's no easy thing to do so yes his coming out is still very accurate. 3. Just wanted to say the father part was probably my favorite part and I usually don't cry especially for movies (except bridge to taribithia and Marley and me) but goddam I was so close to bawling my eyes out so ya just wanted to say that's my favorite part. 4.the reason they weren't flirting with each other is because they were in the closet and he even said in the movie that he wasn't ready to come out and when you are gay and still in the closet and you wanna stay in the closet you date and kiss girls so no one gets suspicious and asks you the most feared question in gay history that haunts us all "are you gay?" Also since they didn't know for sure that they were writing to, each other you don't want to flirt with a guy that is your friend and is almost certainly straight. 5.the ending in my opinion was great for a teen romance movie it had a big gesture of love saying I want to be with you and I'm ready to tell everyone I'm gay and I love you and if you feel the same meet me and the best part is he was completely fine if he didn't yes he'd be hurt but he gave him the option not to come out since he knows what it's like to be in the closet and in real life it probably wouldn't happen but this is a teen movie were the ending always works out and honestly for the first time in main stream movie history the ending was happy and ended in love which for gays it's already hard enough to find gay themed movies about love especially one with a happy ending. but for once there's a movie for the younger generations that struggle the most since they get no representation they don't get movies that say being okay is gay and in the end love works out. This movie wasn't supposed to be an Emmy winning cinematic master piece it was supposed to be a dumb cheese teen movie that says it's normal to be gay you're not alone you're not going to be left out and we're going to work dam hard to make sure you don't waste a majority of your childhood thinking you are an abomination, that what's going on in your isn't normal, no one else is like this, you don't get a chance at a happy ending all because you never see any gay representation and the only things you know about gays comes from insults and jokes. All this movie is, is a trash teen romance movie that's say you're not alone.
Randompandaattackingacake I agree with everything you said, but i don't thimk it's a dumb, cheesy (teen) romance because the message is way too important for that right now, if that makes any sense. Like, it's helped so many people come out and it's made such an impact on peoples lives that a cheesy teen romance movie could have never done (sorry if I messed up the grammar, non native speaker).
One of my favourite parts of the book was when Simon finally realizes Bram was blue, he asks Bram if he could hold his hand. That's how considerate Simon was being because he didn't want to force Bram to come out and it didn't happen in front of a huge crowd, it was a fairly private moment between the two. That's the thing I was most disappointed by in the movie, that Simon forced Bram into this grand reveal when he was so set on not letting others know he was gay at the time.
Completely agree. Also, the cheering crowd watching them was so hokey. A movie does not have to match the book, and a Ferris wheel is definitely a good choice for the visuals, but it would have been much more romantic if they had some privacy. That kiss should have been shared only with the audience in the theatre, not the audience on screen.
I think the ending was cheesy.. Like... Don't these people have a life or something? They're just waiting for hours to see this two lovebirds get together? But overall a great movie
Ocean Blue Honestly, this isn't meant to sound brutal, but no one in my school cares about it in that way. It doesn't make you "special", you're just like any other person. Hearing this should be a good thing because it just shows gays that they're normal too. However, I do understand the hate that takes place in other areas so the ending is realistic in some occasions
xmagicks if gay people are normal then this movies deserves to be judged like a normal movie. I think the ending was cheesy too, but you're entitled to your own opinion
you're completely right. I hated that bram kissed the girl, in the book (which is way better) simon thinks he likes leah, but that's not true. I DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE MOVIE, I'VE JUST BEEN BINGE WATCHING CLIPS OF IT. also, it's way more romantic, yet realistic in the book. it shows more about the blackmailing and all of their emails to each other. side note: I watched the movie. with my family, so when they showed Bram typing, I thought they revealed it, so I kinda said "wow, they revealed that too quickly" and I kinda spoiled the movie for them....OOPS
while I was watching it for the first time, plus I thought, *at the time* that it would show you who it was, but the character didn't. only until *later in the movie* did I realize that. I was also mostly paying attention to what was different from the book, so I wasn't focused on that too much
In the book Leah wasn't even in love with Simon. She was the only one who was upset with Simon, the reason being that she was his best friend since childhood and she wasn't the first person to be told he was gay. Also, They weren't even mad about him not telling them. They were mad because he lied to them about something. I can't remember what.
yeah, you'd have to read the book first because this scene was completley different at all. Biggest things being, Bram wasnt at the halloween party, and two when you DO find out Blue is Bram its completly private
Your friends are very lucky if the people around them are tolerant. Unfornately, not all people are like that. Many young lgbt teenagers are killing themselves because of hate they receiving, lack of support. Many are throwen away from their homes. No wonder that Simon was afraid to come out.
Królowa Szamanow maybe in some other country, but it is no longer a brave act to tell people that you are gay in America. It takes more bravery to say that you are not gay here.
tru that's why Love,Simon is somewhat a gay closeted person wants to happen to them here in our country alot of people our homophobics that's why more gays are not out yet
karr dash e n last week a kid was killed in California by his parents because he said he liked boys. You don’t experience it so you won’t understand but it is still an issue.
“They would’ve been flirting” i’m sorry but, assuming you are a straight male do you necessarily have to flirt with EVERY SINGLE straight female you meet?
They both state at the ending they were flirting. But as a dude - and Bram in the book - we don’t randomly hook up when we like someone else. Yet they changed his character for “twist”. Book ending was better is all I’m saying.
+Let Me Explain I'm sure you already read/seen this in your comments, and I don't mean to be rude at all, but you are just simply uneducated. Don't worry, I will do my best to fill you in. So for those of you who do not know, there's this thing called compulsory heterosexuality, in which someone who is homosexual will feel the urge or obligation to act straight, and even go as far trying to have experiences with the opposite sex to prove that they are "straight", in order to fit in or seem "normal" in a social setting. This was accurately shown when Bram was kissing the girl. You're probably thinking "but no one was going to see except Simon who conveniently walked in." It's not about that. It's all about the persona he's displaying. When he walks away down the hall with the girl, and goes into a secluded room, anyone who was watching would think "Oh it's just Bram about to go have sex with a girl", reinforcing the imagine that he's "straight". The scene was not made to trick you, as much as you'd like to believe it was meant to trick you, to force the love interest. It was an accurate representation of compulsory heterosexuality. Hope that helped!
No, and remember, Simon and Blue meet up on the Tilt-a-Whirl not a ferris wheel. Blue waits until almost everyone else has gone home to join Simon on that ride.
Paul Delgillo: Blue arrived at the last moment because he receiver the massage to meet Simon late. Simon never intended for the meeting to be public. Nobody knew he was going there mainly to try to meet Blue.
SPOILERS: In the book (which you should read by the way since it’s really good) Simon never guessed that Bram was Blue. For the most part he thought it was Cal Price. Which is why I got really confused since I knew that Bram was Blue since I read the book and I saw in the movie he was making out with a girl. Which is why the whole time I thought they were going to change the identity of Blue before it just ended up being Bram again and it turned out he was just drunk. I would’ve like it a lot better if they just did what they did in the book and him never even think it was Bram. That way it could be a better than twist. But nonetheless I still love this movie and the actors and chemistry of Simon and Bram are still really good.
Dude,, it's based on a book, and he is jewish. he didn't even make out with a girl in the book, they did it so they could have this thing with simon imagining blue as different people. i didn't mind it that much, the only change from book to movie that i didn't like was leah magically liking simon instead of nick
I was also kinda annoyed of that... but in the book bram wasn’t really, introduced as an important character.... so I believe they were trying to build up character development so people can actually be a little satisfied with the ending.
the book was so much better lol. Leah liking Simon ruined a lot for me in the movie. Still a good movie, but not NEAR as good as the book. I read the book in maybe 2 days THATS how good the book is. The movie though? I might rewatch a couple times, but it's not my fav.
Yeah I've read the book 14 times since 2015 and I still have the urge to re-read it, the movie on the other hand from trailers alone I'm hesitant on how good it'll be (it came out today in Australia and I can't see it till Sunday)
MostlyMishaps i read the book in 4 hours oops, and though i haven't seen the movie yet just from the trailer I can see that I would be more focused on the differences in the movie compared to the book
Rey Yeah that was my least favorite thing about the movie. They completely changed Leah and Nora’s characters, there’s nothing wrong with them, but I loved how badass they were in the book.
The word "agenda" is the new way for heterosexual white male to attack medias, films, etc they think threaten their "supremacy". They seem to live in a place where if you give rights to a certain group of people, they have to take it from another group, their group, of course. A really uneducated, unsecure, fearful way of thinking. They usually laugh at you or calls you "faggot". They also doesn't have a sex life.
Just two quick notes from a guy who literally feels like the movie was based off his life. 1.) The gay guy hooking up with a girl was so necessary to show. I know it doesn’t make much sense ostensibly, but it’s a very real thing that many closeted men force themselves to do. 2. God I hated the ending too, but it was absolutely necessary. It was the cheesiest, most unrealistic thing ever, just like any romcom. The ending is the way it is in order to counter the whole gay agenda thing you mentioned. At the end of the day, it was a romcom, not activism. A gay life can be and is just as average as a straight life.
Ok so I just freaked out bc I recognised the guy in the blue shirt, right. And then I looked him up. This guy went from Dance Academy to the Flash to Love, Simon. This guy was part of my childhood, is in one of my favourite shows and now he’s here. And he doesn’t look like he’s aged one bit. Am I just freaking out over nothing?
The movie foreshadows who Blue might be during a scene at the lunch table - Martin jokes "What's Black and Jewish? Bluish!" This is where Blue's nickname comes from. So it's not that the twist doesn't make sense, you just have to listen for the clue.
musicworm101 that's not were his nickname comes from tho. Bram's full name is Abraham "Bram" Louis Greenfeld. He combined Bram and Louis and he got Blue, he got green from his last name, and 118 was his birthday
Most of the things you pointed out and didn’t like didn’t happen in the book, they were added, If you haven’t read the book you should!! It’s much better than the movie by far and much more personal with Bram and Simon and the ending isn’t forced. It’s written beautifully and it leads up to it and it all fits together. I would recommend the book MUCH more than I would the movie
Well at the party he was drunk, and to say they were flirting the whole night underscores a bias towards male relationships. Guys don’t have to be romantically involved to be as close as they were prior to the whole Blue reveal. The fact that they were so friendly in person despite not knowing each other’s true identities and bonded so much through the emails makes their romance at the end all the more strong and authentic.
i, a 24yo wlw who's been out for 5 yrs (at 19) even though i knew i wasn't straight since 13 and accepting of it at 15, THIS MOVIE IS AMAZING. it doesn't matter that it's cheesy. IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S CHEESY. this is EXACTLY the love story i wish i had when i was young, despite the fact i have very accepting parents and friends. but slurs are still very existant and ppl still are close minded in hs. better than before, but still not inexistant. it's still hard to come out, even though ppl surrounding you are accepting bc there's always the apprehension of how others will react. and simon saying he didn't want things to change is so very true. bc you feel ppl's view of you will change once that is out and you don't want it to change. hell, i had friends that were out when i was in hs and i still didn't feel right to do it myself. and bram kissing that minion didn't change anything bc it's blurry when you're drunk and you feel like you should do something even though you don't want to. and he said it stopped right after simon stormed in. sure the ferris wheel was kind of a spectacle and why bram almost didn't come but it was a beautiful moment. and simon asking him to come was to know that he loved blue and that he wanted him to be there too. and they'd be a couple. this movie was amazing and i'm so happy with it. i relate to it so much, i relate to simon's and bram's struggle. i have nothing to say against it.
I mean I'm personally here for it because we gays we don't really have big fancy romcoms with grand gestures and for straight people? Sure, this is overdone. But for us? We never get this kind of story so it's special.
Exactly. Yes, it's corny hollywood bullshit. What did people expect? It's a cheesy highschool romance. I like it for exactly what it is. And I recognize that it's not as progressive as it could be, or as the book was, but I'm also fine with that? Like, this is some fanfiction shit right there, and we all know there's a huge demand for that. We WANT the overdone fancy romcom gestures.
My one problem is the friends. When they realized he had manipulated their relationship and got mad, I understood that. Even though I felt in that time they were being super insensitive because he just got outed and now we’re ganging up on him. I thought it’s be a little silence but they’re get over it but no, he got publicly humiliated in front of everyone and they just sat there and watched. If they were ever friends at some point how could they just sit there and watch? What if simon wasn’t as strong as he was and later went home and killed himself. He had no one to talk to. His parents were quiet, blue left him and now his friends?? I know they were mad but did they even think for a second? He was being blackmailed and he was scared. But no. A high school relationship that would probably only last a few months was more important that a life long decision he couldn’t even make for himself. I honestly wouldn’t have been friends with them after that. Just a personal qualm.
Pixala that makes me uncomfortable. From what I’ve seen of Drarry smut I am deeply disturbed by the entire thing. It seems built on the idea that people act like they hate you because the actually love you. This is the mentality that leads people into relationships that end up being abusive. I have the same problem with Dramione.
Ocean Blue no, not really. Like I said, that leads to people getting into abusive relationships. It’s not good that these types of relationships are being romanticized.
SPOILER What bothered me the most was that the whole “oh he can’t be Blue cause he kissed a girl. OOPS he actually _is_ Blue!” was ridiculous. It could have been because he was too drunk (which it was), it could have been that it was some sort of dare maybe?, or even that he is into guys and girls both.
In Love With A Were 1. I agree, that’s as bothersome 2. Bram did make out with her in the book as well 3. Bram has stated multiple times that he is only into men
It actually explains why Blue is Bram in the book, Simon Vs. the Homosapien Agenda. He’s part Jewish, because of he’s father; he gets his love of grammar/English from him as well. He’s mother on the other hand is not. Through out the entire book, Bram is actually a very shy person. And if I recall correctly (can’t remember much from the Halloween party), Bram didn’t really do much at the party; he was just there for Garrett, his best friend, to help him out. This isn’t a very good explanation of why Blue is Bram, because I’m really just going off my memory, But you can just read the Book’s Wiki and it explains it better.
lisbeth young It’s the book of that Love Simon is based off of. Homosapien Agenda is like this a little joke between Simon and Bram; like them vs all the heterosexuals and homophobes
I hope to god there's an actual alternative/original ending cut to be seen in a DVD special... Netflix should find a way to convert that concept into the digital streaming world!
Very simple explanation to Bram kissing that girl. He explains it dude. He was like "I was drunk and confused, and it ended like a minute after you saw it"
Yeah in the book that doesn’t happen bram stands simon up on the Ferris wheel and then meets him alone at the car and no one knows. Also the whole “making out with a girl” thing is pretty common, if someone is panicking that they’re gay theyre obvs just gonna find the next person of the opposite gender to test the theory. Trust me I’ve been in Bram’s situation.
I haven't seen the movie yet but from this video alone, it looks like they've changed a lot compared to the book. Which I'm not stupid, though. I know the movie was inspired by the book not based off of it but like.... come on. Ugh.
a. the party girl kiss makes sense in the book because Bram and Simon weren't hanging out. b. the ending is set up better in the book too. "blue" gives simon a t-shirt of a band simon likes after he has to ghost him and he puts his number in the bag with the shirt but Simon never finds it because he was too mad to look in the bag. at the end (this is how I remember it) simon lets blue know via tumblr that he'll be at the carnival with the t-shirt on. when it's revealed that it's been Bram the whole time simon kicks himself for never even considering that his secret crush could've been black. and even though it's at the carnival it's more private than the ferris wheel (as far as I remember). and they go to Simon's house to make out
I recommend everyone go and read the book, its so much better, and I LOVE the movie, but the book is so superior. It has a different title so you might not have realised its the same thing, but Simon vs. the Homosapiens Agenda is so good I read it in like 12 hours, please read it if you even remotely enjoyed the movie.
I agree that the ending of having Bram and Simon kiss on the ferris wheel felt so awkward, but I don't agree that Bram was just a "twist" like you say at (2:41) Simon's appearance changed from the book to the movie, but I think Bram is pretty spot on. The whole point is that the identity of the guy is a surprise. In the book Simon doesn't even have a clue that it is Bram, he just thinks it's Cal the whole time.
Thats kinda the issue though. He suspected it was Bram, but he was thought to have been ruled out as a possibility. In the book, he never thought it was Bram, but he never ruled it out.
In the book, Drake or Braum, as Simon calls him, has an mother who's Episcopalian and an absent dad who's Jewish. Also, in the book, Simon doesn't out the guy at the carnival in the way it happens in the movie. Simon rides the Tilt-A-Whirl but he doesn't spin it. He knows that Blue, whoever they guy is, has trouble keeping his cookies in his stomach on that praticular ride because of the emails that went on before. Again, the fact that Simon is in love with a guy who's half Jewish, really comes out much earlier in the book.
Thanks for the reminder of which parent is Jewish. In the movie he isn't outing Blue, he doesn't know who he is and also based on his experience with Martin, he would never do that. He's asking Blue to out himself. Kind of an important difference. I didn't love that there was a crowd, and that it made it more of challenge for Blue, but it was still Blue's choice. Being with Simon outed him to the whole school in the book anyways, just not in as much of a dramatic scene.
Um, you realize that his name's also Bram in the movie, right? God, I'm so sick of people who only read the book and haven't seen the movie yet judging the movie. The movie is a really faithful adaptation of the book and it's just as good as the book.
Um, I read the book and I just saw the movie last night with all but twenty other people in the theater. Alhambra is right next to LA and I didn't see a huge crowd, quite sparse for this area in fact. I read the book and saw the movie so don't judge me. I sill have the book on my Amazon Kindle where it sits personally and personal opinion is a fact of life. So I confuse Bram with Braum, a name I've read in several other books, especially when it comes to gay romances.
Enough, I read the book a month ago and I know that Blue is Bram. Enough written and there are more important things in life. Like always, movies are a visiual form of communication and books leave more to the imagination. The elder sister is a big help to Simon and that storyline was axed along with much of the discussion about Oreos. There was also the thing that Simon thought that Blue could possibly be some other guys at school. Again, a book of over three hundred pages is hard to cut down to only an hour and fifty minutes no matter what you do. Martin in the book isn't really forgiven by Simon nor do I think he is forgiven by the other members of the drama club because of what he did.
I loved the movie! Their are some movies and shows made with agenda’s, but not this movie. It was really good and not too preachy at all. It portrayed his struggle and bullying really well. I thought the guy was too obvious and I was disappointed at first, but I still ship them. One of the best rom coms in a while
It shouldn't have ended like the book, it should have been properly adapted. To me, someone who read the book before the film was even announced, it was a mess. Yes, they only have 2 hours, but this film was disappointing
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I wish he didn’t have an audience so it could have been more natural and private like the book
that was exactly my problem too. I didn't like that part of the movie as compared to the book, even though the whole movie was great
Yeah, the book did make the ending more for them 2 than everyone else which was nice. But they still needed that big send off, let's be honest, If the movie had ended with them going to Simon's house instead of the big ferris wheel. I really dont think it wouldve had that big of an impant
kasey driscoll that's true though. Maybe adding Alice in the movie might make it a bit more intresting and having a party at the house or something when they go to the dinner idk but i genuinley missed the guitar and drum perfomance of simon's sister and Leah
i liked it. I thought it showed progress from his peers
in the book it was just him and bram, everyone else left
The ending was so much better in the book, because the fact that Bram was uncomfortable with coming out publicly was respected. They were only out as a couple to close friends and family, not the entire city of Atlanta.
Also it was way more poetic and personal than "hey ferris wheels amirite"
Yeah, i'm with you.
Not to mention the Bram never made out with a girl in the book 😒
I think hey did it this way in the movie was because of theatrics and dramatical reason. But that's just my opinion
In the book Simon was SURE that Blue was Cal, the kid from his drama class, blond with blue hair. He thought Bram was really cute, but didn't connect the dots. When they met, it wasn't even on a ferris wheel, I believe. No crowed was there. Just them. It was private and perfect. In the movie they really messed that up
The movie needed a Hollywood ending, but other than that I think the movie was better.
kito !! It was on that twisty ride, the one blue pretty much said he barfed deep fried Oreos on when Si was prescribing Blue an “Oreo Diet”
And in the Bram is afraid of ferris wheal yet he goes for it to be with Simon.
No they were on the spinny cup ride
In the book they were on a tilt a whirl and he made a point to go on that ride last, because he knew blue got nauseous easily but he had given up and the park was closing. It was a really cute scene and it makes me sad that they took it out.
I loved the movie and the book, but the ending bothered me too. The reason it was so special in the book is because Blue talked about how those spinny rides always made him puke. And so when Simon went to the fair, he rode everything but that one. He went on it to give Blue just a LIIIIITTLE more time. And BAM right as he starts spinning someone else shows up. He can't even process who it is until the ride stops. No audience, no 'all hail the gay kids meeting', no public makeout out on the ferris wheel. A true fairytale ending. THAT'S what sold me on the book... I mean, who wants their first date with someone to be broadcast across their whole school. If the kids at my school did that, I'd just leave. I couldn't so that. Not after years of hiding it.
Broken Blookie EXACTLY
Broken Blookie exactly , like it’s so unrealistic. Like as a (mostly ) straight girl I’m not going to be smooching on some guy in front of a audience. I’m too self conscious about that . But there’s no way two boys who only recently came out are going to be smooching in front of a audience . Like there’s the whole awkward factor but the homophobia factor is added to that . It’s just too much risk.
I love the book and the movie is great, but not as great as the book
One thing people are forgetting is the fact that its a romcom, things are going to be extra and unrealistic, so for people to say that they didn't enjoy the movie because of a public kiss/coming out in front of the whole school is just ridiculous.
True❤️
What gets me is that the best friend is in love with him, the entire time and is so supportive about his crush and him coming out. Which is honestly just the best thing. Even at the end she isn't salty about moving to the back seat. Like what a true friendship
Ronnie Yeah. I really didnt like her, especially after the coming out. lt took me like 5 watches to finally understand the "You set me up to get my heart broken when you thought I was in love with Nick, and that just makes you cruel."
It bothered me because he didn't know that until this very scene. Then I realized while he didn't know that Leah liked him, he DID know that Nick was into Abbey. So even if Leah WAS in love with Nick, Simon "set her up to get her heart broken" because Simon set her up with a guy he knew had the hots for someone else.
So to Simon, it looked like he was just trying to give everyone a chance. To his friends, especially Leah, it looked like he was forcing them into hopeless situations.
In the book ( or maybe leah on the off beat) Leah explains to us that she liked Simon in middle school, but the crush never went anywhere. But also that year where simon came out and everything she liked Abby. I know that she wasnt ready to come out to simon or her friends at the time, because she was scared. So thats possibly why she said she liked simon idk. Either way it wasnt like that in the book. I dont know how many people know, but Leah is a bisexual queen and I love her to bits.
Demi Muse that one line had so much meaning
I have a best friend. I fell in love with him but he never reciprocated my feelings. And I always wondered why doesn't he like me like that even though he like me so much in a platonic way. But then I realised that he's most probably into guys but I am not the kind of person who labels people. But after a while he came out to me. And I didn't feel bad at all about it. I was rather happy that he trusted me enough to come out me. Also it actually explained why he never reciprocated my feelings. He's my bestest buddy forever. And we both love each other so much in a platonic way. It could never be any better than this.
Chen's I cant believe I hated Leah's reaction in the movie, in the book she's pissed with Simon because he told Abby first and then their group left her out which is far more understandable than "I had a crush on you and you didn't like me back" it infuriated me to watch
Senior year of college??? He’s in highschool
Mbolanks collage is Highschool?
Emma Sutton no
Lumos /* it is tho
i think he said "or"
Emma Sutton it isn’t tho
I was just mad at how angry and horrible his friends were to him? Like he was going through some tough shit... they could’ve tried to understand since they didn’t have to come out.
but that is the point, it is high school high school student think everything is about them. Like Nick said, "what does that have to do with us, Simon". self centered high school students.
Very true! But I would never be so horrible to my friends during their rough patches!
ShootingStar ASMR Exactly. And it hurt Simon so much, it was probably the saddest part of the movie. Like c’mon, cut the kid some slack.
Sadly that’s what happens in real life. When I came out I told some friends that I wasn’t that close with first, since I was too nervous to tell my best friend of 8 years, and then they told her and she got really mad because I didn’t tell her.
ShootingStar ASMR you may not but some people who might have a stigma against LGBTQ could. This happened to one of my friends where she came out and she lost a few friends because of it.
It's a lot less forced in the book. He's black and Jewish in the book. It's not a public post in the book but one last email. And they don't kiss on a Ferris Wheel. Instead they meet in a Tilt A Whirl and Simon doesn't even know if he should hold his hand because he doesn't know if he's out yet. So the movie went a little bigger and more grand gesture.
Bram is Jewish in the movie. I don't know what this guy's talking about.
I honestly liked the way they did it in the book a lot better. the whole audience thing felt a little weird and it was a lot. but i think they were trying to make a big statement with the ending and make it a very YA movie climactic resolution. it was still a great film tho
I still adore the movie, though, but maybe that's just because I'm a hormonal, teenage girl who so happens to love romance movies
ISSA MOVIEEEEEEEEEE LMAOOO
While the book ending is way more realistic, I didn't pay 15 dollars to not see them kiss 😜. The movie ending is just Rom-Com fan service (for people like me)
one thing i HATED about the movie was the fact that leah was in love with simon
She didn’t know he was gay though, plus she gave up on him once she realized Simon never would like her that way.
I know. Wasn’t she actually in love with Nick in the book? ( I read it a couple months ago but that fact completely flew out of my mind)
Hannah Marie yeah, it made more sense why she didn’t like abby (nick having a crush on her)
A little spoiler if you haven't read Leah on the off beat.
She did have a crush on Simon, pretty much on all her friends really.
**Spoilers**
Leah loved abby! I love my bisexual queens.
i have two theories.
1. "blue" is bisexual, which explains why he was making out with the girl during the party.
2. "blue" made out with the girl to strengthen the odds of him staying closeted, as he wasn't ready for his secret to be revealed yet. that way, it anyone tried to call him gay, that girl could be like "nah bro he made out with me and we hadn't even talked yet"
I think he was just drunk
aud I agree in some ways, so this is something some people may not have noticed. When Simon and his friends show up to the party you can see in the background the same girl that Bram is kissing, walking in the background watching Bram. And it appears that the girl and Bram were walking away from the same spot, because of this I assume they were talking at the time. You may use this information to create as many theories as you like.
It was just a drunken mistake which makes sense
aud he said that he was drunk people do things that they don't mean too when drunk
Bram himself told Simon he was gay on the ferris Wheel. There are plenty of times when someone is gay, and gets drunk and ends up doing something they regret. He was still in the closet and could have felt pressure to kiss her because he wanted his secret to be protected. He was drunk and did a drunken mistake like he said. But anyway, he is gay and that came from his own mouth.
oh honey, they were definitely flirting.
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The character bram is actually Jewish in the book, so yes the character is Jewish!
and black !!
hollie brooke yes yes!!!!!
There are Jews of color.
I didn't understand that comment he made in the video
It made no sense to me
Why can't he be Jewish ?
JARED BANCROFT there’s literally no reason.
In the book Blue and Simon Flirt more in their messages and they actually seem like They are in Love. (And Simon DOES not even expect that Blue is Bram what makes it more of a Plot twist. I recommend the book for everyone who watched the movie
Thanks but no thanks
I’ve both watched the movie and read the book, and the movie was pretty loyal to the book, except for a few parts, for example this part
In the book, Simon doesn’t wait on _one_ ride for Bram, he actively looks for him, and when the park is about to close, he goes on the one ride Bram hates (which this is brought up earlier since we’re able to see the emails between the two in the book), the Tilt-A-Whirl. Just when the ride is about to start, Bram hops in the booth thing and he and Simon have a nice, private conversation, and they start dating soon after.
Hell, Simon nor Bram didn’t tell anybody that they were dating at first, Simons friends only found out because he updated his Facebook status from single to in a relationship.
I was pretty upset that they changed this in the movie, but I get it, they couldn’t show _all_ the emails that were in the book, so they improvised. I’m also pretty disappointed that they cut out the part where Bram & Simon go on a date while skipping lunch, it was pretty disappointing to see it wasn’t there.
Also the part where Bram was making out with that girl? _That wasn’t even in the books_ . I’m not sure _why_ they put it there, same with the Waffle House guy, he didn’t even exist at all.
Oh my god you put my exact feelings into words
yEAH I also wished the part where Bram knew Jacques was Simon all along was in the movie
I think the only thing that really bothered me was they didn't said anything at all about Cal being bi
for me, the part when Taylor talks about her parents was perfect for they to talk about Cal's bisexuality, in a very neutral way just like in the book
They did that so the ones so read the book didnt predict the end ???? I guess
Why does no one give the book some love.
Metal Wolf the book was great
The book was way better imo
The book was great
Yeah, in the book Bram isn't suspected to be Blue. He's mentioned (Simon thinks he's cute) but not enough for you to suspect him. Instead, Simon is a lot more focused on the blonde kid with the blue eyes. He thinks he's Blue for a while, not just like 5 minutes, which confused me in the movie. But I guess they thought audiences may get too attached to the blonde kid being Blue, or needing to fill up the time somehow? I don't know. I just felt like the way they handled Bram being Blue in the movie was a bit messy.
The book is great but the movie is NOT COMPLETELY THE SAME
I already got attached to the kid with blond hair 😂
DId anyone else actually suspect Bram to be Blue in the book? I was pretty unsure but he was my number 1 suspect :D
If I was Simon I would’ve been mad that bram turned out to be bram, tbh I would’ve preferred blondie, much cuter lol
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN Bram is way cuter imo
Simon is in high school, not college. Love this movie tho. But I can see why the ending bothered you. Think it felt better in the book and they wanted to land on the same event. This, Game Night, and B. Panther have been my favorite movies so far this year...I gave this movie an A+ in my review video on my channel 😄
Annihilation???
Keith MacDonald thought Annihilation was okay but it had an ending I didn’t like and didn’t develop minor characters.
EskimoTV why didn’t you like the ending? And the other characters didn’t need more development. You knew about them; what they did for a living, and why they chose to go in
Yeah that ending never happened in the book, Simon didn't post anything in Litchfield he sender him an email to come to the amusement park, no one knew he was coming, they met in a zero gravity ride where no one was there but them, because the park was about to close which made it WAYYY better. Also, Bram never made out with a girl in the book, I'm pretty sure, the only scenes he was in was in the cafeteria complimenting the oreos and in the soccer ball field, but Simon never had a crush on him at all, the only person he thought was Blue was Cal but that was it. I was sad when they did this in the movie, it could've been better.
Actually, in the book, Simon only ever had a crush on Blue, even though he didn't know his real identity at the time. His crush on Cal was completely predicated on his assumption that Cal was Blue. When that proved not to be true, the crush dissipated. Besides Cal, he also briefly thought Martin, the guy who outed him, could be Blue. Every time he saw Bram though, he made a point of mentally referring to him as "cute Bram" and greeting him with a smile.
Myyy problem was the friends reaction, tbh. They don't know shit what it's like.
I agree. No one's friends have any rights to your life. Gay or not it's his life not their life. They have no reason or right to get upset because he doesn't tell them he I Gay
"Senior year of college" he's like 16
Edit: I know he misspoke please stop correcting me shdjfb
em0rion same 😂
He’s 16-18 in the movie I think he meant to say senior year of high school
It’s his senior year of high school
Haha thank you, I was the “wtf”??
It depends on where you go to school. Some countries refer to high school-level education as college.
In the book the end makes much more sense, Bram never stops the emails, they just both stop sending them to eachother as Bram knows that Simon is the other person. Simon sends Bram another email saying that he will be at the fair, but doesn't tell anyone about it, so none of his friends know. When they meet, which is not actually on the ferris wheel in the book, Simon asks Bram if they can hold hands as he knows Bram is not out, and when Bram says yes, they hold hands. It is a lot less forced in the book compared to the film.
I thought i was the only one who disliked how Simon forced Blue to reveal his identity in front of the whole school and everyone in the town
yet he himself got outed and got mad as hell that he couldn’t come out on his own terms
1st of all, he did NOT force or out Bram. He convinced him to come out of his own volition. 2nd that only happens in the movie. In the book, he comes out to Simon privately and later comes out to their friends when he’s ready. Unlike what Martin did, Simon gave Bram a choice, and Bram personally chose that that was the time to come out himself
I haven't seen the movie, but in the book, he was NOT hanging out with bram, getting all flirty, at any party or other place. And also, people weren't waiting at the ferris wheel like a spectacle. It was a very private and sweet moment. I'm kinda mad at the movie for doing that, and also for making Bram smooch some girl just so they could trick the audience. I'm really not cool with that.
You started your review with "I haven't seen the movie[...]" so that right there pretty much invalidates your point, sorry! Be mad all you want that a movie adaptation isn't exactly like the source material but personally, I was happy we got our big teen movie moment in the end, a la the boombox scene in Say Anything. And if you did see the film (which you didn't) you'd know that Bram kissing that girl is explained in the movie and that he was participating in compulsory heterosexuality because he was confused and scared of being gay. I goes a lot deeper than just a cheap shot at the end. Definitely check out the actual movie next time before commenting. xoxo!
honestly though if you like someone you shouldn't be doing that plus what was the point of tricking the audience besides rather it was to act straight would it really matter?.. I don't understand after all everyone lives different lives.
The point of the “smooch” is that every time in the movie when he thinks he had figured out who Blue is his heart gets shattered and he gives up on the thought of it being that person. It happens two other time in the movie with two other boys. They did that so in the end you don’t know who to expect to be Blue and it’s fun to find out with Simon. But I agree about the audience. The ending of the book is much better then the movie in my opinion, but jut the fact that the LGBTQ+ community has gained a gay love story is a step in the right direction.
Also the party wasn’t even at Bram’s house. He wasn’t there. Leah and Nora were out of character. Simon is supposed to be blind. Leah actually liked Nick not Simon. And a shit load of other things
Gay people always pretend to be straight and kiss the opposite sex btw.
okay but its not that rare for someone who's closeted to make out with someone of another gender. like people will do a lot to cover up the fact they're gay, clearly not everyone is as excepting as your friends and family.
He was drunk lmao
Boi he was drunk and did it, not doing it as a cover up lol
justførkicks “and even if you’re gay that doesn’t mean your not even attracted to genders other than your own” ... that literally means just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you’re gay
Welp I'm sorry, have you never heard of bisexual and pansexual people?
justførkicks yes, and bisexual or pansexual people aren’t “gay”. What you said was gay people don’t always have to be attracted to only the same gender, which wouldn’t make them gay????????
I have a crazy amount of problems with this movie. The book had a way more realistic picture of being gay; not too many people care, bullying isn’t incredibly intense, friends are usually very accepting (granted... I completely understand that certain things affect that and that’s not exact but it is my version of being gay and a lot of my friends) the movie however... there was a lot of intense bullying, unaccepting, and just all around instances of him being gay a big deal.... and then the ending flips it all on its head and all of a sudden everyone is okay with him, everyone is cheering him on and suddenly Blue is out of the closet.... whereas in the book their meet up was more secretive EVEN WHEN EVERYONE ACCEPTED HIM
Sorry for the rant
My sentiments exactly.
as someone who came out in real life the movie was alot more accurate for me besides the whole ending obviously. not to mention everyones experience is different especially considering the world we live in. also id like to point out that no one wasnt not ok with him being gay actually the only ones who had a "problem" with it were the two bullies, the student body themselves were just gossiping about it since there was only one "out" kid before him
No one really bullied Simon after he was exposed tho. It was really only the one dude who was a homophobe. Homophobia exists and it needs to be addressed.
@@susu-pu6pf i agree with you. The movie was much more realistic IMO. The parts that really got me were Simon's fear of coming out even though he thought no one would be upset. That hits home because I was the same way. Also his mother's speech was beautiful, that's something that every gay person should hear, and Simon yelling at Martin for outing him is also something I think people need to hear.
In the book I don't think any of his friends were even remotely justified in being mad at him. I don't think the way Martin outted him in the books was really that big of a deal. I didn't care for the whole gay bar thing in the book. I didn't think it was realistic for Junior's in high school.
i dont think the whole having an audience thing was in the book🤔
kiara it wasn’t!! It was so much more personal and a little more romantic in the book. But I guess the message the movie was trying to get across was like not being afraid to be who you are because Blue actually tells Simon something like he didn’t think he had it in him to meet him in front of everyone until he just started walking towards him.
they were also on a tilt a whirl so
A lot of things are different (part of me wants to cry about it)
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נעה אופק omg ik this is probably weird but finally i found someone that's a fan of the book and the movie that's from Israel, so u know the struggle (that the movie is gonna be in theaters on June 21st here in Israel and it's just so disappointing and it made me so sad ) 😭😅😢
SPOILER ALERT
The book ending was much more logical in this sense. Bram gives him a shirt, which has a note in it with his number (he does this anonymously though). He keeps the shirt for WEEKS until he sees it the day of the carnival and proceeds to email Bram, without knowing it’s Bram of course, and Bram is late because he didn’t think to check his email until much later.
There’s a lot of things the movie trimmed from the book that I disagree with, the shirt thing being one of them.
wasn't it a phone number that was on the shirt tho?
AndresGarciaLegos yeah and I’m p sure he didn’t find the note with his number until that day but I can’t remember exactly
Cool cool, but actually, Bram explained why he kissed the girl. There was this one scene in the ferris wheel where Simon said that he thought Bram was straight. But Bram explained that he was too drunk to think what he was doing. (If you re-watch Love, Simon online, you can see how many ungodly amounts of Simon and Bram drank at the party) and voila, the miracle couple kissed at the end. But hey, this is still a good video
Yeah but the ending is too sloppy for such a good movie.
@@Abison07 wdym sloppy, crazy bro
Imagine being the girl who made out with Bram at the Party...just imagine.
Bram said he was confused when he kissed the girl, which is odd since he came out thru Creek Secrets anonymously
@@radrobd123 no not really chances are he was just going through an internal struggle and a part of him wanted to do what other “normal” guys do that and like he said he was drunk and realized after trying it that he wasn’t into it and stopped after Simon walked in.
I took the scene with Blue as him figuring out his sexuality. I believe he mentions that in the movie as well. I'll give you that the ending didn't have to have the whole school cheering on Blue and Simon, but at the same time I'm not bothered by Berlanti's decision. For one, Blue blocks Simon's messages, so there's no way for Simon to get Blue's attention on Gmail. He had to announce it publicly. And he also had to get Blue to meet at a place that would get everyone talking so he know Blue would show up. So what better place than the school fair/carnival? As for making the choice of Blue a "twist" I do admit it was a rather obvious choice, but in the book the choice of Blue to be (SPOILERS) a person of color coincided with the message of not making white the default. That's kind of where there needed to be a "twist." The book not only asks readers to think of why "straight" is the default but why "white" is the default as well. The movie sort of implied this when Simon kept imagining Blue as white. The movie just never really addresses the race issue. I'm glad you liked the film, though! I truly hope it makes enough money at the box office so we can get more mainstream queer YA movies.
Yes! The loss of a more explicit emphasis on the idea of "white" being the default as well as "straight is what I find myself missing from the adaptation. Part of what made me love the book and the film is that it shows a representation of people who are accepting of more than just one thing. This part of the conversation has been missing from most of the press junket too. I think I've only read one article that noted how diverse the cast is. Which is surprising to me considering how recent the Oscars and the whole #inclusionrider movement is.
What's frustrating to me in this video is the "this kid ain't Jewish". WTF? The actor is mixed. No, not Jewish, but notably mixed. Elsewhere in the comment section are equally ignorant comments about the plausibility of him being Jewish. Why? How is this so difficult to believe,? Mixed kids aren't all Drake pale, we're a whole spectrum of shades. Alexandra Shipp (Abby) is mixed too, different shade, and still not as pale as Drake. Honestly, I was expecting more colourism complaints (which probably will still come) than this "he can't be black and Jewish" stuff.
All in all, despite that slight disappointment, I think this movie is a pretty good adaptation for the spirit of the book, with only minor changes. There was some change to the end to give it a movie worthy climax, but that's the point. The aim was to be a *mainstream* teen coming of age flick about a gay kid. Teen dramatics and Hollywood ending obviously included.
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Yeah I definitely noticed how Simon defaulted to imagining Blue as white when he wasn’t suspecting anyone specific. I’m glad that was an intentional thing, but yeah if it’s more explicit in the books, I do wish it were more explicit in the movie too. Because then there would’ve been more of a point to it.
I thought the author didn't need to have the straight-default sentence, I mean it was pretty obvious that Simon did not expect Bram. However, that is not unreasonable to make, since most American Jews are white and the coming out rate among Black Americans is much lower than among white ones. As for the movie, I think they put more emphasis on Bram at the party to have the audience connect more with him or even guess it themselves, and the kissing was to throw them off. If I remember correctly the character did say on the wheel that he was drunk, didn't know what was going on and it ended seconds after Simon was gone.
The book provides a lot more insight as to why It is Bram and It actually is a much more private moment between them I️ like the book’s ending much better.
Same
B Graziano I agtee. The books ending was way better but I didn't hate this ending. It seemed a little too public but I'm not mad. The book had a lot of different things than the movie did and they adapted and changed but it's a good adaption.
BlackMask9159 I️ think it’s a really great adaptation, they did an excellent job and even though it’s different, it’s still really good and faithful to the characters. The only thing I️ didn’t like about the movie was how public that scene was because It didn’t seem to match up with how private Bram is. (It was still so adorable though)
B Graziano yeah it was really public. I thought that was a little weird but I get it. Everyone was so curious because Simon sent the last email publicly and people are always just so invested in everyone else's relationships. It's adorable af thou.
I recently finished reading the book today, and I couldn’t agree more
The book is actually calledSimon vs the Homo sapiens agenda
My problem is a few story flaws. When his friends got mad at him for lying to hide his secret annoyed me, because he was being threatened by another kid who intended to out him on the Internet. Good friends would forgive him because being gay can be hard in a community that doesn’t respect us properly, but that is a trope that I despise. And the“is that guy gay? Oh no he was making out with a girl at that party. HAHA SURPRISE THAT WAS FAKE HE IS GAY” thing was basically all that annoyed me.
To be fair, they weren't mad because he was gay. they were mas that he messed up their lives to keep it a secret, that he manipulated each and everyone of them.
I think that Nick and Abby were justified in being mad at Simon, but not Leah. Simon didn't help himself by ostracizing himself when his friends were trying to help him.
Everything you didn't like about the movie are the things that they added and are not part of the book.
Makes sense
Bram is black and Jewish in the book. The feriswheel was added, of course.
The dad scene in the book is him being upset about the insensitive jokes he might of made about gay people
Just because he's black he can't be jewish???? By tarnation.
Carlos Alejandro Alvarenga yeah, that’s like being black and saying you’re Chinese. Jews aren’t black, sure you can join Jewish community, integrate but they aren’t black.
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN I was being sarcastic, I know.
Y’all stupid as shit. He’s a practicing Jew or maybe he’s mixed regardless you’re ignorant and close minded as shit
Casey if your mom is Jewish you’re Jewish for example drake is Jewish because his mom is Jewish and a lot of Jews are European these days when they didn’t start off being white, they mixed in with Europeans and had no problem doing so....
Casey There have been Jewish communities in Ethiopia for millennia. There are black Jews.
I have many issues with things you just said so this might get long. You might not read it, but oh well lol:
A) You say the ending is manipulative, but well aren't all movies? Especially rom-coms? Also on top of that you mention Keiynan Lonsdale's character Bram/Blue "He ain't Drake. He ain't Jewish." Ummmm why can't he be? There are plenty of black Jewish people. Drake isn't the only one, he's just the most famous one. On top of that Keiynan Lonsdale is himself half white just like Drake. Alexandra Shipp who played Abbey is half white as well, so she could very well be Jewish too. Soooo....I'm not understanding your argument. And they even bring this up at the end of the movie, where he said "So you're Jewish" And Bram laughs and says "Yeah and I'm black too." And it's not a unnecessary twist because it's in the book too. So the movie is faithful to the source material.
B) You say because they were at the party and are both gay they should have been flirting with each other. Yes they were both attracted to each other almost immediately. Why do you think they were practically with each other most of the night? The problem is yes both of the characters are gay, but they don't know that about each other. As much as gay people like to talk about gaydar and stuff we don't always know who is gay and who isn't. Also they are in high school and still trying to figure out the gay thing. In addition to that, with it being a high school party and Bram being on the soccer team, it's pretty safe to assume everybody knows who he is. I mean just look at how many people showed up to the party, and he probably knows most of those people since again they go to school together. So you're comment about it not making sense that he hooked up with some girl when they didn't have time to get to know each other doesn't really make sense. Simon and Bram weren't together all night, just most of the night. So there was a whole swath of time that they weren't together. Remember as Simon was getting more and more drunk he continued to sing Karaoke, like 1 or 2 more songs without Bram. You even showed it in the clips of this video with Simon on stage singing without Bram. And on top of that he was giving himself a pep talk in the bathroom. And they even brought this back up at the end of the movie where he said he got drunk, hooked up with her, but it didn't go anywhere and he ended it like 1 min after Simon caught them. I mean that happens. There are plenty of gay people that will hook up with the opposite sex, ESPECIALLY when they are in the closet, then you add the high school element to it and it makes sense to me.
C) Finally yes was the ending a little cheesy with everybody watching and taking pictures and stuff, yes, but that's real life in the sense that people are nosey as hell. He essentially came out again on a school wide blog, called out the mysterious Blue. So just like the audience the students want to know who Blue is too, and he almost didn't show, but of course it's a rom-com so there has to be a happy ending just like most movies. And this movie takes place in a small suburban town in Georgia so it's not necessarily an acceptable thing for people to be out. Hell even with as much progress as we've made in gay rights today there are STILL dozens upon dozens of people that are in the closet. Coming out is also a process and some people never go through that progress sadly. In Bram's case it was his conversations with Simon that gave him the strength to come out to his father. Sometimes, and this is speaking from experience, people just need a little push to come out. Even Simon's outing eventually gave him the strength to take ownership of his truth and come out to his parents and come out again on the school blog. So Simon's grand gesture was him shooting his shot towards Blue. It's almost no different than when people make grand gestures to propose for marriage, sometimes even after all that effort the person will say no, but you gotta shot your shot. That was the theme of this movie, that's even on the poster "Everyone deserves a great love story."
It was good movie
-You’re right romcoms are manipulative..that’s why I expected this one to be better.
-He is Jewish in the book....in the movie, he’s throwing a party on a Saturday which contradicts that
-the kissing also isn’t in the book. Just put there too trick us when the book was already good
Let Me Explain just curious why you expected it to be different than other romcoms regarding the manipulative part?
Let Me Explain In the book it never said he was a practicing Jew. His mother was actually described to be Episcopalian while his father is Jewish.
Also as a high schooler, 2018 is not the accepting place you think it is whatsoever. “Fag” is consistently used still and many out kids are bashed on a daily basis- and I live in a liberal county outside of Washington DC
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Let Me Explain how was it manipulative?
I'm gay, and im planning on seeing this with my parents and coming out to them after. Wish me luck!!
you are going to love it
Oh man good luck! I hope it goes well for you x
Hello Pomme frites, I have the feeling, that all will go well! If you have the kind of parents, that take the time, to go to see a "teen, coming of age" movie with you, they must be overboard in love with you and genuinely care about you and who you are.!
do they know, that the movie, is LGBT themed??..
my humble advice...come out with confidence and love for yourself....don't apologise...I've seen many to many, coming out vids to know, when a kid aproches the subject, with the thought that they feel bad about being gay or may disappointed someone, they put themselves at a disadvantage...
you're not your not telling them that you're a cleptomanic.... That's something your able to change..you weren't born a thief...you are born gay.....thats who you are..like, being born with blond hair, brown eyes, left handed, your born gay!!
If they, or anyone else has a problem with it, keep in mind, that the problem is there problem, not yours....
BIG ADVICE!! ..don't come out, when someone is driving...you don't want them to drive into a tree. Haha!
..best wishes, for a smooth and eventless, transition, to the authentic life you deserve!!!l
Am I correct in assuming, that your parents aren't far right religious fantastics??
Ronnie Caron Yes, they know the movie is lgbt themed, and they arent very religious. Thank you for the advice!
Savage Potato ,lucky boy!!!!......I have a feeling, that you think, that they already know.....not necessary, but if you think about it, let me know how things turn out....so you know, I teach and also council kids and have been through this, with kids, numorious times....often, when I see coming out vids, I wish I could have talked to the kid, before he\she came out..
I believe they wanted to avoid the scene with them at Simon's room. Overall, compared to the book, the movie feels toned down. Especially Simon and Blue's relationship as they ommited all their flirting and sex talks. I loved those parts because Simon was always a mess after Blue said something a bit steamy. I also loved how the book ends. It's pretty romantic and funny too.
hello compulsive heterosexuality is a thing aka what bram was doing in the bedroom
He didn’t do that in the book tho?
He was drunk
katie edits he said it himself in the movie he was drunk and confused and right after Simon left out they stopped kissing
Let Me Explain If it was exactly like the book, the people who read it would already know what happened. thats why most movies arent the exact same as the book
both what he did in the book and in the movie was very realistic. some gay people never get with the opposite sex even before coming out, and some people try it and have different experiences with the opposite sex to see if they like it/because they feel bad about being gay/being pressured by other people to do it and trying to stay in the closet that way.
so to me (being gay and remembering what it was like as a teenager) it made a lot of sense either way. I totally agree about the ending though, the movie made it way too much.. in the book it was more realistic and also sweeter (in my opinion, not liking big public gestures).
There is a SHIT TON of stuff they changed for the movie. For example, you didn’t like the ending because it never took place in the book. In the book, no one but Simon knew that he was waiting for blue. In the book, the emails weren’t leaked, but he was outed on the creeksecrets tumblr... everything you didn’t like didn’t take place in the book.
Also his friends didn’t turn away in the book, they went even deeper and were empathetic
Oh and also, bram wasn’t making out with a girl in the book. Sooo
Abby knew he was waiting for Blue, though, she asked him who he was waiting for, and Leah did turn away but not because he was gay
That takes away my problem with Simon using a big, romantic gesture to essential force Blue out of the closet. But did he still use Abby as an object to be traded? And did he still, in his minds since he thought she loved Nick, set Leah up to not only have her heart broken, but devastated (remembering her quote about loving someone so much it nearly kills her)? If so, I kind of think the book friends let him off too easy and really need to re-evaluate their friendship with him because he’s been incredibly terrible to them.
Tad Tranclere No, he didn’t do any of that to his friends. In the book, he suspected that Leah likes Nick, but that was all there was to it. The reason Martin outed him in the first place was because he didn’t think Simon was helping him with Abby enough.
He outed him because Abby rejected him when he asked her out, and later, he saw Simon and Abby showing physical platonic affection for each other (which I suppose he interpreted romantically). Also, in the book, Nick was pretty oblivious to the blackmailing (although Simon and Abby probably told him eventually). The only thing Simon did with Martin and Abby was go to a party and a restaurant with them. In the book, Leah didn't like Nick, but Simon thought she did, and it was hinted in a few scenes that she liked someone else (whose name I won't reveal for the sake of spoilers).
Oh honey ,,, everyone knows gays can’t flirt we just hope think each other are cute and die
Also none of your “problems” with the movie are in the book so you might wanna check it out its a 10/10
Idk man, I personally didn’t think the ending was forced per say. I also wouldn’t call it necessarily manipulative.
I understand the confusion of Bram kissing the girl at the party, but it’s like he said: he was drunk and confused and it ended like two seconds later. It is normal to be confused. They’re teenagers for Christ’s sake. I know friends who have experimented and realized that it wasn’t right for them. That’s kind of how I saw Bram’s situation at the party. He was confused, as all teenagers are.
And yes, the ending is different than the book, but it still holds the same message. In the book and movie, Simon is almost stood up, but Bram comes at the last second. I do feel like the whole audience around the ferris wheel was a bit awkward, but at the same time, I can totally see kids from my school doing that, so who knows.
I dunno. I’m from where this story is based (Atlanta, Georgia), so I guess that’s why Simon’s situation and story resonates with me so deeply. I literally live where he does and I’ve seen friends come out and friendships almost be broken over it and assholes tease them about being gay.
I just felt like the movie was pretty accurate and refreshing. I loved it.
kayla slack ....
I did feel like having the audience was akward but I don't think that's what Simon wanted or through would happen. He just posted it on the blog because it was the only way to contact Blue and after all the drama with Simon being gay and the mystery kid he emails, of course people would show up at the place to see who it was because teenagers are like that. I liked the book ending better but I still loved the movie
thank you for explaining all this so clearly
The reason he was kissing a girl is cause he was drunk
ArtCartCat yeah I noticed that too.
So alcohol made him straight???
WHAT!?!
PyromancerPsycho YT um even alcohol turns some straight dudes gay for the night 😂 why wouldn’t it have same effect the other way around
mhh alcohol has taken a turn for the worst making gay guys straight
thank you! he said it in the movie too
I reread the book the other day and I haven’t read it since before I saw the movie (and I’ve seen the movie another three times since) and I forgot how amazing the book was in comparison to the movie. Like, the only big things that are similar are the names, the email and Simon getting outed by Martin. One of simons two sisters got written out. The party scene doesn’t even happen in the book, blue (bram) wasn’t even there. And in an email to Simon, he said that once he knew he was gay he didn’t see the point in having girlfriends or doing anything with girls. Yet in the film, he’s in the bedroom with a girl. Which kind of changes his whole character. As does him stopping communication with Simon, which doesn’t really happen in the book.
damn can’t gay teens just have a cheesy romcom. i’m not saying it’s exempt from criticism i’m gay myself but you have to understand the historical significance of a gay movie that isn’t filled with heartbreak and pain. it was a lot for me when i watched it. it gave me hope. i watched teen movies my entire life feeling isolated and alienated bc i couldn’t relate to being straight. also people can be jewish and black. it’s incredibly ignorant that you believe it’s almost impossible. black jewish gay people exist. i just think this criticism is extremely stupid and at this point it’s just nitpicking. it was a corny teen movie. it was a corny teen movie for gay teenagers who desperately needed this to feel normal for once in their lives, like me. let it be. let us have a sweet love story that isn’t filled with death, pain, and heartbreak.
Glad you liked it!
It’s him throwing Sabbath parties when he wasn’t in the book that contradicts him being “Jewish” in the movie. Nothing to do with ignorance but bad screenwriting
Let Me Explain i don’t think that’s bad writing. that’s just changing a small part of his character for the movie. who said that movies have to be the same as the source material? again i just think you’re nitpicking at this point. but whatever you can have your criticisms. i just think the way you phrased about him being jewish and black just came off a bit eh.
dont it’s criticism if you’re gonna get pissy about it stray away from the reviews
Josh if you’re gonna get pissy then stay away from the comments.
dont it’s criticism deal with it. No one is saying that gays can’t have a fucking movie that’s a big stretch
1. He's in high school
2. I'm actually very happy where you live it's supper excepted where I'm living it's excepted kinda you don't get "bullied" but it's not the best time of your life, but even so when you're gay telling someone your biggest longest kept secret that completely changes (for most gays) your life it's no easy thing to do so yes his coming out is still very accurate.
3. Just wanted to say the father part was probably my favorite part and I usually don't cry especially for movies (except bridge to taribithia and Marley and me) but goddam I was so close to bawling my eyes out so ya just wanted to say that's my favorite part.
4.the reason they weren't flirting with each other is because they were in the closet and he even said in the movie that he wasn't ready to come out and when you are gay and still in the closet and you wanna stay in the closet you date and kiss girls so no one gets suspicious and asks you the most feared question in gay history that haunts us all "are you gay?" Also since they didn't know for sure that they were writing to, each other you don't want to flirt with a guy that is your friend and is almost certainly straight.
5.the ending in my opinion was great for a teen romance movie it had a big gesture of love saying I want to be with you and I'm ready to tell everyone I'm gay and I love you and if you feel the same meet me and the best part is he was completely fine if he didn't yes he'd be hurt but he gave him the option not to come out since he knows what it's like to be in the closet and in real life it probably wouldn't happen but this is a teen movie were the ending always works out and honestly for the first time in main stream movie history the ending was happy and ended in love which for gays it's already hard enough to find gay themed movies about love especially one with a happy ending. but for once there's a movie for the younger generations that struggle the most since they get no representation they don't get movies that say being okay is gay and in the end love works out. This movie wasn't supposed to be an Emmy winning cinematic master piece it was supposed to be a dumb cheese teen movie that says it's normal to be gay you're not alone you're not going to be left out and we're going to work dam hard to make sure you don't waste a majority of your childhood thinking you are an abomination, that what's going on in your isn't normal, no one else is like this, you don't get a chance at a happy ending all because you never see any gay representation and the only things you know about gays comes from insults and jokes. All this movie is, is a trash teen romance movie that's say you're not alone.
Randompandaattackingacake I agree with everything you said, but i don't thimk it's a dumb, cheesy (teen) romance because the message is way too important for that right now, if that makes any sense. Like, it's helped so many people come out and it's made such an impact on peoples lives that a cheesy teen romance movie could have never done (sorry if I messed up the grammar, non native speaker).
Wow soo long...
I like to think the other guy might've been bi but maybe more attracted to men
uhhhh no. I'm just saying he says hes gay so,, hes gay :/
Cramaze bi people call themselves gay all the time. Trust me I'd know
One of my favourite parts of the book was when Simon finally realizes Bram was blue, he asks Bram if he could hold his hand. That's how considerate Simon was being because he didn't want to force Bram to come out and it didn't happen in front of a huge crowd, it was a fairly private moment between the two. That's the thing I was most disappointed by in the movie, that Simon forced Bram into this grand reveal when he was so set on not letting others know he was gay at the time.
Completely agree. Also, the cheering crowd watching them was so hokey. A movie does not have to match the book, and a Ferris wheel is definitely a good choice for the visuals, but it would have been much more romantic if they had some privacy. That kiss should have been shared only with the audience in the theatre, not the audience on screen.
@@LeCrenn Yes! Exactly
I think the ending was cheesy..
Like... Don't these people have a life or something? They're just waiting for hours to see this two lovebirds get together?
But overall a great movie
Lost Goth it how straight ppl be buddy
How many straight teen movies are incredibly cheesy and unrealistic? This is ours. We don't get many so could we have it please?
Ocean Blue Honestly, this isn't meant to sound brutal, but no one in my school cares about it in that way. It doesn't make you "special", you're just like any other person. Hearing this should be a good thing because it just shows gays that they're normal too. However, I do understand the hate that takes place in other areas so the ending is realistic in some occasions
xmagicks This has nothing to do with being gay though? No one said it was cheesy because it was gay, you just brought it up yourself
xmagicks if gay people are normal then this movies deserves to be judged like a normal movie. I think the ending was cheesy too, but you're entitled to your own opinion
you're completely right. I hated that bram kissed the girl, in the book (which is way better) simon thinks he likes leah, but that's not true. I DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE MOVIE, I'VE JUST BEEN BINGE WATCHING CLIPS OF IT.
also, it's way more romantic, yet realistic in the book. it shows more about the blackmailing and all of their emails to each other.
side note: I watched the movie. with my family, so when they showed Bram typing, I thought they revealed it, so I kinda said "wow, they revealed that too quickly" and I kinda spoiled the movie for them....OOPS
Simon was imagining that you dumbass he imagined different guys being blue typing ! You seriously did not watched the movie carefully enough !!
while I was watching it for the first time, plus I thought, *at the time* that it would show you who it was, but the character didn't. only until *later in the movie* did I realize that.
I was also mostly paying attention to what was different from the book, so I wasn't focused on that too much
In the book Leah wasn't even in love with Simon. She was the only one who was upset with Simon, the reason being that she was his best friend since childhood and she wasn't the first person to be told he was gay. Also, They weren't even mad about him not telling them. They were mad because he lied to them about something. I can't remember what.
yeah, you'd have to read the book first because this scene was completley different at all. Biggest things being, Bram wasnt at the halloween party, and two when you DO find out Blue is Bram its completly private
Those sound WAY more intimate and impacting
Your friends are very lucky if the people around them are tolerant. Unfornately, not all people are like that. Many young lgbt teenagers are killing themselves because of hate they receiving, lack of support. Many are throwen away from their homes. No wonder that Simon was afraid to come out.
Królowa Szamanow maybe in some other country, but it is no longer a brave act to tell people that you are gay in America. It takes more bravery to say that you are not gay here.
tru that's why Love,Simon is somewhat a gay closeted person wants to happen to them
here in our country alot of people our homophobics that's why more gays are not out yet
karr dash e n last week a kid was killed in California by his parents because he said he liked boys. You don’t experience it so you won’t understand but it is still an issue.
karr dash e n Oh shut up
“This dude in his senior year of college”... it’s high school lol
“They would’ve been flirting” i’m sorry but, assuming you are a straight male do you necessarily have to flirt with EVERY SINGLE straight female you meet?
They both state at the ending they were flirting.
But as a dude - and Bram in the book - we don’t randomly hook up when we like someone else.
Yet they changed his character for “twist”. Book ending was better is all I’m saying.
+Let Me Explain
I'm sure you already read/seen this in your comments, and I don't mean to be rude at all, but you are just simply uneducated. Don't worry, I will do my best to fill you in.
So for those of you who do not know, there's this thing called compulsory heterosexuality, in which someone who is homosexual will feel the urge or obligation to act straight, and even go as far trying to have experiences with the opposite sex to prove that they are "straight", in order to fit in or seem "normal" in a social setting.
This was accurately shown when Bram was kissing the girl. You're probably thinking "but no one was going to see except Simon who conveniently walked in." It's not about that. It's all about the persona he's displaying. When he walks away down the hall with the girl, and goes into a secluded room, anyone who was watching would think "Oh it's just Bram about to go have sex with a girl", reinforcing the imagine that he's "straight".
The scene was not made to trick you, as much as you'd like to believe it was meant to trick you, to force the love interest. It was an accurate representation of compulsory heterosexuality.
Hope that helped!
In the novel I don't think that Simon being on the ferris wheel had a big audience so it's less "manipulative"
No, and remember, Simon and Blue meet up on the Tilt-a-Whirl not a ferris wheel. Blue waits until almost everyone else has gone home to join Simon on that ride.
Paul Delgillo:
Blue arrived at the last moment because he receiver the massage to meet Simon late. Simon never intended for the meeting to be public. Nobody knew he was going there mainly to try to meet Blue.
SPOILERS: In the book (which you should read by the way since it’s really good) Simon never guessed that Bram was Blue.
For the most part he thought it was Cal Price. Which is why I got really confused since I knew that Bram was Blue since I read the book and I saw in the movie he was making out with a girl.
Which is why the whole time I thought they were going to change the identity of Blue before it just ended up being Bram again and it turned out he was just drunk.
I would’ve like it a lot better if they just did what they did in the book and him never even think it was Bram. That way it could be a better than twist. But nonetheless I still love this movie and the actors and chemistry of Simon and Bram are still really good.
Yup, I 100% agree, in the book it was very unexpected bc he NEVER imagined it could be Bram
1000%, and Simon thinking Bram was interested in Leah.
Dude,, it's based on a book, and he is jewish. he didn't even make out with a girl in the book, they did it so they could have this thing with simon imagining blue as different people. i didn't mind it that much, the only change from book to movie that i didn't like was leah magically liking simon instead of nick
mediocremaddie wasn't she liking Abby tho?
Agreed!!
He isn’t in his senior year of college...
You are correct. The entire video is invalid
Exactly what I felt. The ending was just forced. But the movie was really interesting to watch
I was also kinda annoyed of that... but in the book bram wasn’t really, introduced as an important character.... so I believe they were trying to build up character development so people can actually be a little satisfied with the ending.
the book was so much better lol. Leah liking Simon ruined a lot for me in the movie. Still a good movie, but not NEAR as good as the book. I read the book in maybe 2 days THATS how good the book is. The movie though? I might rewatch a couple times, but it's not my fav.
Yeah I've read the book 14 times since 2015 and I still have the urge to re-read it, the movie on the other hand from trailers alone I'm hesitant on how good it'll be (it came out today in Australia and I can't see it till Sunday)
MostlyMishaps i read the book in 4 hours oops, and though i haven't seen the movie yet just from the trailer I can see that I would be more focused on the differences in the movie compared to the book
me lmao im prolly biased asf
I haven't watched the movie yet but based on the trailer I knew they'd ruin Leah's character.
Rey Yeah that was my least favorite thing about the movie. They completely changed Leah and Nora’s characters, there’s nothing wrong with them, but I loved how badass they were in the book.
Trust me the book made alot more sense.
Who cares if it did have an agenda? Not all agendas are bad... teaching acceptance isn't a "bad" "agenda."
shaylen sanders hahahaha
The word "agenda" is the new way for heterosexual white male to attack medias, films, etc they think threaten their "supremacy". They seem to live in a place where if you give rights to a certain group of people, they have to take it from another group, their group, of course. A really uneducated, unsecure, fearful way of thinking. They usually laugh at you or calls you "faggot". They also doesn't have a sex life.
dessfred good God shut up. Its legitimate bigots like you who give all is gay people a bad name
It is I, Your Cis White Male oh im sorry did i threaten you way of life? Here, ill give you a hug an put you on my agenda for a date
Bro this movie is one of my favorite ones ever and yet I had that very same problem with it. I even mentioned it to my mother who watched it with me.
it'sSimplyBree are u gaaay?
F.B. I he just fcuking mention he have same situatiom
Najj's English please
saaaaaame also I'm gonna leave the likes on this comment just the way it is
lol, that gay guy that kissed the girl was drunk and said that it ended litterally 1 minutes later. bad vid dude... do more research
Just two quick notes from a guy who literally feels like the movie was based off his life.
1.) The gay guy hooking up with a girl was so necessary to show. I know it doesn’t make much sense ostensibly, but it’s a very real thing that many closeted men force themselves to do.
2. God I hated the ending too, but it was absolutely necessary. It was the cheesiest, most unrealistic thing ever, just like any romcom. The ending is the way it is in order to counter the whole gay agenda thing you mentioned. At the end of the day, it was a romcom, not activism. A gay life can be and is just as average as a straight life.
Did anyone else catch him saying senior year of college instead of high school?
I did
Ok so I just freaked out bc I recognised the guy in the blue shirt, right. And then I looked him up. This guy went from Dance Academy to the Flash to Love, Simon. This guy was part of my childhood, is in one of my favourite shows and now he’s here. And he doesn’t look like he’s aged one bit. Am I just freaking out over nothing?
Hannah baker???
SlothPlays Xbox thats what you notice out of the entire movie?
kasey driscoll no, it’s just one of the things I noticed is that the actor for that character is Hannah baker in 13 reasons why
Welcome to your tape
Yeah
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING
For those of you upset about the ending, read the book. It's so beautiful.
*This is your tape...*
*_Simon_*
Pinalaelae the 14th reason why?
Solesey you mean 15th
The movie foreshadows who Blue might be during a scene at the lunch table - Martin jokes "What's Black and Jewish? Bluish!" This is where Blue's nickname comes from. So it's not that the twist doesn't make sense, you just have to listen for the clue.
musicworm101 that's not were his nickname comes from tho. Bram's full name is Abraham "Bram" Louis Greenfeld. He combined Bram and Louis and he got Blue, he got green from his last name, and 118 was his birthday
no omgg! Really?? How do you know that? 😂
Aprilccp it was in the book
I noticed this too lmao
Most of the things you pointed out and didn’t like didn’t happen in the book, they were added, If you haven’t read the book you should!! It’s much better than the movie by far and much more personal with Bram and Simon and the ending isn’t forced. It’s written beautifully and it leads up to it and it all fits together. I would recommend the book MUCH more than I would the movie
*sUM bROwN SUgaR*
XD
it sounds like you didn’t even watch the movie.... it explains everything at the end. btw they’re in high school not college.
Well at the party he was drunk, and to say they were flirting the whole night underscores a bias towards male relationships. Guys don’t have to be romantically involved to be as close as they were prior to the whole Blue reveal. The fact that they were so friendly in person despite not knowing each other’s true identities and bonded so much through the emails makes their romance at the end all the more strong and authentic.
In the cinema there was this one guy screaming 'Ha Gay!' for about 20 minutes.
i, a 24yo wlw who's been out for 5 yrs (at 19) even though i knew i wasn't straight since 13 and accepting of it at 15, THIS MOVIE IS AMAZING. it doesn't matter that it's cheesy. IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S CHEESY. this is EXACTLY the love story i wish i had when i was young, despite the fact i have very accepting parents and friends. but slurs are still very existant and ppl still are close minded in hs. better than before, but still not inexistant. it's still hard to come out, even though ppl surrounding you are accepting bc there's always the apprehension of how others will react. and simon saying he didn't want things to change is so very true. bc you feel ppl's view of you will change once that is out and you don't want it to change. hell, i had friends that were out when i was in hs and i still didn't feel right to do it myself. and bram kissing that minion didn't change anything bc it's blurry when you're drunk and you feel like you should do something even though you don't want to. and he said it stopped right after simon stormed in. sure the ferris wheel was kind of a spectacle and why bram almost didn't come but it was a beautiful moment. and simon asking him to come was to know that he loved blue and that he wanted him to be there too. and they'd be a couple. this movie was amazing and i'm so happy with it. i relate to it so much, i relate to simon's and bram's struggle. i have nothing to say against it.
Pascale Audette your old
Kyo Mebi so what? Doesn't mean i can't relate to it.
Pascale Audette I love you
thanks i guess
Diddd you readdd theee boooook? You should
Not yet
Let Me Explain it's way better
I mean I'm personally here for it because we gays we don't really have big fancy romcoms with grand gestures and for straight people? Sure, this is overdone. But for us? We never get this kind of story so it's special.
Exactly. Yes, it's corny hollywood bullshit. What did people expect? It's a cheesy highschool romance. I like it for exactly what it is.
And I recognize that it's not as progressive as it could be, or as the book was, but I'm also fine with that? Like, this is some fanfiction shit right there, and we all know there's a huge demand for that. We WANT the overdone fancy romcom gestures.
My one problem is the friends. When they realized he had manipulated their relationship and got mad, I understood that. Even though I felt in that time they were being super insensitive because he just got outed and now we’re ganging up on him. I thought it’s be a little silence but they’re get over it but no, he got publicly humiliated in front of everyone and they just sat there and watched. If they were ever friends at some point how could they just sit there and watch? What if simon wasn’t as strong as he was and later went home and killed himself. He had no one to talk to. His parents were quiet, blue left him and now his friends?? I know they were mad but did they even think for a second? He was being blackmailed and he was scared. But no. A high school relationship that would probably only last a few months was more important that a life long decision he couldn’t even make for himself. I honestly wouldn’t have been friends with them after that. Just a personal qualm.
Exactly, he was going through some crap... and they were supposed to be his friends?
The only thing that bothers me in this movie is the in the book Simon reads Harry and Draco smut and in the movie he doesnt
Pixala that makes me uncomfortable. From what I’ve seen of Drarry smut I am deeply disturbed by the entire thing. It seems built on the idea that people act like they hate you because the actually love you. This is the mentality that leads people into relationships that end up being abusive. I have the same problem with Dramione.
Ocean Blue no, not really. Like I said, that leads to people getting into abusive relationships. It’s not good that these types of relationships are being romanticized.
SPOILER
What bothered me the most was that the whole “oh he can’t be Blue cause he kissed a girl. OOPS he actually _is_ Blue!” was ridiculous. It could have been because he was too drunk (which it was), it could have been that it was some sort of dare maybe?, or even that he is into guys and girls both.
In Love With A Were 1. I agree, that’s as bothersome 2. Bram did make out with her in the book as well 3. Bram has stated multiple times that he is only into men
@@Mackattack8416 it wasn't in the book tho?
hey I’m pretty sure it was :/ idk I’ll go back to the book and try and find it.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the book, this whole party wasn't in it I think ( except if it is Halloween and Simon has the wrong costume )
@@hikaru78- Yeah, he's a Dementor in the book. I love it
It actually explains why Blue is Bram in the book, Simon Vs. the Homosapien Agenda. He’s part Jewish, because of he’s father; he gets his love of grammar/English from him as well. He’s mother on the other hand is not. Through out the entire book, Bram is actually a very shy person. And if I recall correctly (can’t remember much from the Halloween party), Bram didn’t really do much at the party; he was just there for Garrett, his best friend, to help him out. This isn’t a very good explanation of why Blue is Bram, because I’m really just going off my memory, But you can just read the Book’s Wiki and it explains it better.
Not Overwatch Alrighty then. Don’t see why that was necessary, but thank you for the comment.
21jett homosapien agenda, what is that?
lisbeth young It’s the book of that Love Simon is based off of. Homosapien Agenda is like this a little joke between Simon and Bram; like them vs all the heterosexuals and homophobes
I hope to god there's an actual alternative/original ending cut to be seen in a DVD special... Netflix should find a way to convert that concept into the digital streaming world!
Very simple explanation to Bram kissing that girl. He explains it dude. He was like "I was drunk and confused, and it ended like a minute after you saw it"
It's not cause they wanted a twist, it's because that happened in the book. It was Bram because that was the book.
That’s not how it happened in the book
+Let Me Explain
You're not critiquing the book, though. You're critiquing the movie.
Yeah in the book that doesn’t happen bram stands simon up on the Ferris wheel and then meets him alone at the car and no one knows. Also the whole “making out with a girl” thing is pretty common, if someone is panicking that they’re gay theyre obvs just gonna find the next person of the opposite gender to test the theory. Trust me I’ve been in Bram’s situation.
Hannah Lee Bram didn't stand him up, they met on the tilt a whirl just before the park closed
McKenna Andersen oh yea it’s been a while since I read it I just remembered the car bit :/
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The fact he’s friends got mad at him when he came out rlly pissed me off
The guy who was smooching on a girl explained that he was drunk 😵
the book was waaay better. the movie added too much shit with leah and took away a lot of good parts
I haven't seen the movie yet but from this video alone, it looks like they've changed a lot compared to the book. Which I'm not stupid, though. I know the movie was inspired by the book not based off of it but like.... come on. Ugh.
a. the party girl kiss makes sense in the book because Bram and Simon weren't hanging out.
b. the ending is set up better in the book too. "blue" gives simon a t-shirt of a band simon likes after he has to ghost him and he puts his number in the bag with the shirt but Simon never finds it because he was too mad to look in the bag. at the end (this is how I remember it) simon lets blue know via tumblr that he'll be at the carnival with the t-shirt on. when it's revealed that it's been Bram the whole time simon kicks himself for never even considering that his secret crush could've been black. and even though it's at the carnival it's more private than the ferris wheel (as far as I remember). and they go to Simon's house to make out
Lme, at the end of the movie "blue" explains that he was drunk and confused and it ended as soon as simon left
I recommend everyone go and read the book, its so much better, and I LOVE the movie, but the book is so superior. It has a different title so you might not have realised its the same thing, but Simon vs. the Homosapiens Agenda is so good I read it in like 12 hours, please read it if you even remotely enjoyed the movie.
Hey sarah you should read the other books in the series. They are all wonderful
I agree that the ending of having Bram and Simon kiss on the ferris wheel felt so awkward, but I don't agree that Bram was just a "twist" like you say at (2:41) Simon's appearance changed from the book to the movie, but I think Bram is pretty spot on. The whole point is that the identity of the guy is a surprise. In the book Simon doesn't even have a clue that it is Bram, he just thinks it's Cal the whole time.
Thats kinda the issue though. He suspected it was Bram, but he was thought to have been ruled out as a possibility. In the book, he never thought it was Bram, but he never ruled it out.
In the book, Drake or Braum, as Simon calls him, has an mother who's Episcopalian and an absent dad who's Jewish. Also, in the book, Simon doesn't out the guy at the carnival in the way it happens in the movie. Simon rides the Tilt-A-Whirl but he doesn't spin it. He knows that Blue, whoever they guy is, has trouble keeping his cookies in his stomach on that praticular ride because of the emails that went on before. Again, the fact that Simon is in love with a guy who's half Jewish, really comes out much earlier in the book.
Thanks for the reminder of which parent is Jewish.
In the movie he isn't outing Blue, he doesn't know who he is and also based on his experience with Martin, he would never do that. He's asking Blue to out himself. Kind of an important difference. I didn't love that there was a crowd, and that it made it more of challenge for Blue, but it was still Blue's choice. Being with Simon outed him to the whole school in the book anyways, just not in as much of a dramatic scene.
Um, you realize that his name's also Bram in the movie, right? God, I'm so sick of people who only read the book and haven't seen the movie yet judging the movie. The movie is a really faithful adaptation of the book and it's just as good as the book.
Um, I read the book and I just saw the movie last night with all but twenty other people in the theater. Alhambra is right next to LA and I didn't see a huge crowd, quite sparse for this area in fact. I read the book and saw the movie so don't judge me. I sill have the book on my Amazon Kindle where it sits personally and personal opinion is a fact of life. So I confuse Bram with Braum, a name I've read in several other books, especially when it comes to gay romances.
+Paul Delgadillo Then why did you imply that his name was Drake in the movie?
Enough, I read the book a month ago and I know that Blue is Bram. Enough written and there are more important things in life. Like always, movies are a visiual form of communication and books leave more to the imagination. The elder sister is a big help to Simon and that storyline was axed along with much of the discussion about Oreos. There was also the thing that Simon thought that Blue could possibly be some other guys at school. Again, a book of over three hundred pages is hard to cut down to only an hour and fifty minutes no matter what you do. Martin in the book isn't really forgiven by Simon nor do I think he is forgiven by the other members of the drama club because of what he did.
I loved the movie! Their are some movies and shows made with agenda’s, but not this movie. It was really good and not too preachy at all. It portrayed his struggle and bullying really well. I thought the guy was too obvious and I was disappointed at first, but I still ship them. One of the best rom coms in a while
It shouldn't have ended like the book, it should have been properly adapted. To me, someone who read the book before the film was even announced, it was a mess. Yes, they only have 2 hours, but this film was disappointing
I really loved the movie just as a movie on its own but I wouldn't consider it an accurate representation of the book, and the book was way better
Is that Hannah Baker.
is that Wally West?
Shit.
Is that Alex Standall?
@@captainaaron96 Yes, the actor
nice clickbait, i thought you were better than that... I thought you were gonna elaborate on the movie book comparasion
This is a great movie, but in the book it’s a f*cking tilt a whirl! Not a god damn Farris wheel!!
Noto I don’t understand why this out of all inconsistencies makes you mad but your profile pic makes it even funnier
Noto Ya but you can't get a giant ass camera to film you on a tilt a whirl
This narrator migth be str8, i'm pretty sure
I can be a Martian, still stands they shoulda stuck by the book