Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice: Ultimate Edition - REACTION!!
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- Eric, Rick, Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice: Ultimate Edition! #BatmanvSuperman #DawnofJustice
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can't wait for zack snyder justice league tomorrow
Holy shit guys what time did you film this
@@opiumfx looks like last week
Drives me nuts people not understanding the Martha moment. Not that I'm a genius or anything, but I understood it instantly. Check out, *Why You're WRONG About Batman v Superman - Batman's Motive Explained* he breaks down BvS way better than I ever could.
There are some arguments, like Lex that are subjective, that's ok. I get it, though this Lex I'm *ok* with. This version has been in comics as well, but I do love the "traditional" Lex. Most of the arguments against BvS are just objective misunderstandings like the Martha moment. Again, I'm no genius, but it's crazy to me how misunderstood this movie is.
@@EN2Edge People understand the intent. The problem is the execution makes it hard to take seriously.
As for Lex, even disregarding traditional Lex, this one is just ridiculous as a main villain.
This ultimate edition is what made me LOVE the movie. So happy you guys did this video!
Hey it's the boys. Glad you follow Blind Wave
Greg is obsessed with ultimate edition haha
Same here my dudes :)
Reject Nation!
Hell yeah man
I can't help being entertained when Eric is just straight up fanboying at things when the other 3 are decidedly less impressed. 😂
One of the reasons Eric is my favorite. They're all great, though.
Well... they got all the reason.
Charisma really goes a long way.
It's still really funny how he was holding his laugh in the Martha scene
That's why I love Eric. He's very open minded
Everytime wonder woman shows up:
Head bobbing intensifies
That theme is the best thing to come out of this movie. And that Batman fight.
@@ReelRai btw, I know that some could argue these characters are underdeveloped but Superman's death in this movie is executed perfectly. I personally think if it was in 10 years time and the universe and its characters are well-established, that Superman death beats Iron Man's death 100%
@@Dxntoo It really was. But the thing is everybody knows Supes and Bats already, they're like household names. So u dont need 22+ movies to try and develop a character. But damn, if they had just stuck with Snyder's vision..everybody would've been satisfied.
@@itsmecaldo
Not 22 but at the very least a couple or two of movies we're necessary!
@@Jiad_Joy true
I will say before this movie I never realized both of their mother's name was Martha
Dude😭that’s the rzn they become besties
I feel exactly the same way. Weird how that works.
Who give a shittt
I think it's actually a great new plot point and a great, unused revelation.
I love these movies but they failed this moment by either 1. Not establishing that Clark calls his mom Martha. Cause he had never called her that before. But also 2. Failed with how they should've shown Bruce still being traumatized specifically by his moms death. At least show it more than they did
@@wasd6287 all except u
Fun Face: One of the Senators at the panel is actually real-life Senator Patrick Leahy. He is a huge Batman fan and has had a cameo in multiple Batman movies.
Wait really?
Fun Face?
@@shad2690 yeah he was also in dark knight when joker invaded the party
I think he's been in all of the Batman movies. He's the guy in The Dark Knight at Wayne's party that reminded the Joker of his father.
Here's another: The person who cameos as the governor of New Jersey at Luthor's event is also an actual senator, Sen. Debbie Stabenow.
I still think Jeremy Irons was a superb Alfred. It’s not said enough
Jeremy Irons is the best Alfred.Period.
@@brucesimmons5517 agreed.
I think he's pretty good not MY favorite but a problem I have with it is him and Bruce and him seem very close in age
@@furious_115 if we’re going by actors’ ages this Alfred would’ve been 24 at Bruce’s birth which is cutting it pretty close I guess but not by what I would consider “too close”.
I may be wrong but I think the Alfred and Bruce in the upcoming Batman are even closer in age
@@lmarq5759 it’s not a huge problem just something I noticed you know
"I promise to you. Martha won't die tonight"
This one Batman line, I can feel the ptsd from his mother death, it still haunts him
🤣🤣🤣
Yeah man, indeed. That's a shame how many ppl got the Martha scene wrong.
Completely out of character and cringy af. They turned Bats into a crazy paranoid psychopath killer with none of the intellect or detective skills
@@alexsilva28 you should read more, man. There is nothing out of character on the portrayal of Batman. And he explored his detective skills a lot.
@@papamikeconcurseiro You are right. That's why he figured out very early on that Lex was obviously manipulating both of them to... Oh.
"Hey guys screw BlindWave, I'm Eric" , saw it in a comment once can't unhear it now
Lol
Haha but what do they actually say though? Is it "Hey guys crew of Blind Wave, I'm.."?
damn you
I'm with @qwheein, what do they say? I only hear 'Hello' and 'Blindwave I'm Eric'
"Hi guys, crew of blind wave, I'm Eric" is what he says
I think people take the Martha thing too literally, yes both moms have the same name but I believe the point of the scene was to humanize Superman, Bruce saw Superman as nothing but an alien who could be a huge threat, but in that Martha moment he saw the humanity in Superman
Superman asked the person who was about to take his life to do one thing and that’s save his mother, now yes their mom having the same name played a part in Bruce not killing him but IMO I don’t think it was the main point
And Alfred tried to tell Bruce too but he didn't listen.
But to be fair, Bruce was not all wrong in his thinking.
This would’ve been a dope ass deep moment, if Batman wasn’t slaughtering random thugs before and soon after this.
Definitely could’ve been written better tho
There really is nothing wrong with this scene. The meme was ridiculous. The name make Bruce take a step back because it surprises him. When he realises it is Clark's mother and he ask Bruce to save her, Bruce has his epiphany.
Suddenly he see Kal as a person and not a monster. Bruce was unable to save HIS Mother.
I like how Eric is able to have a mature conversation with his buddies, and not have different opinions and disagreements effect the fun of discussions. Well done gentlemen.✌
not always. Like the MoS he was so defensive over any criticism of the film.
@@bryzantine1571 I can see that. Eric said Mos was his favorite.
@@JimmyXWolvie yes MoS is my favorite movie too so i was 100% on eric’s side 😂😂😂😂😂😭
@@bryzantine1571 defending something you like is fine as long as you aren't aggressive about it, which he wasn't.
@@NoU-wc5ny they pretty much stated why they didnt like it and he kept coming up with reasons why they were wrong. That's the thing about art, it's open to interpretation and everybody will get something different out of it.
Reminds when he was so salty about darth vader losing to doom and batman losing to spider-man in deathbattle.
In comics after Jason dies, Tim shows up and says that Batman became much more violent, risky and he was going to get killed and he had to prevent that. For me BvS was a "what if.." scenario, what if Bruce didn't get any support, lost his son, didn't have Justice League and lost even more people in an alien attack. Bruce knows he became a monster after 20 years in Gotham, he embraces this idea.
Yeah a lot of people don’t get that batman is all that is there now, Bruce Wayne is the mask, he is a recluse and his batman is FUELED by hate, this is the deepest batman has ever been character wise tbh
@@greyygoblinn5639 I understand that point but batman’s whole goal is to not allow another person to experience what 8 year old bruce experienced.
In the context of this movie it makes no sense as to why batman spared superman. He’s already shown he has no care for human life so, what difference does it make that Clark has a mother named martha?
@@cowchow4284 I wouldn’t say he doesn’t care for human life but it’s more of a he’s not going to go out of his way to save you anymore if you’re a villain. He’s gonna save people but if you’re a bad guy he doesn’t care if you live or die. When he’s about to kill Clark and the only thing Clark was asking for him to do is save his mom, in that moment he realized this is just a person. Superman didn’t ask for any of this and Bruce was so fixated on hating Superman for the things he did like he caused it. It’s not the name that is the same, it’s the fact that facing his own death he was still worried about others and not himself. An attribute Bruce lost years ago
@@greyygoblinn5639 But after this scene he goes to kill more goons. These goons may have mothers named Martha who needs saving or sons named bruce who will forever be traumatized, but Batman doesn’t hesitate to kill them because he has no empathy. He hasn’t learned anything in the movie other than “Superman isn’t a bad guy”.
@@cowchow4284 I never said he was a changed man, he’s still a jaded, and fueled by hate. He is still extra rough. You’re looking too deep into the “Martha” aspect. The name could have been Mary and it would still have the same effect, or hell it could have been lois. Lex and batman both hated Superman. Lex hated him unconditionally but Bruce hated him bc he was fed the lies throughout the movie by lex. You can’t take everything at face value, this movie has a little more depth than people give it credit for in the themes. This movie is about hate and how to over come it and come to terms with it. And the only dude I’d say he KILLED was KGbeast . Everyone else he just beat the shit out of and the grenade guy was his own fault.
In true BvS fashion, I think this is the most divided the crew has been on a movie lmao.
I think this movie really messy and parts dont make sense. BATMAN DOESNT KILL and when zach synder says he isnt really killing then I assume he does t understand batman
@@Koskinen2000 some Batman’s do infact kill just because the majority of them don’t doesn’t mean every new Batman has to follow the same rules and examples
@@Koskinen2000 I just see this franchise as an elseworld story at this point. It is not my quintessential batman. But as long as i turn my brain off and the action is a good time i won't complain.
@@Koskinen2000 zack said that this Batman is broken and his ultimate plan was to redeem him, this Batman kills, he never used to but when Robin died and he beat joker to near death he started losing his rules
@@Koskinen2000 literally every live action Batman has killed, so I'm assuming none of the directors understood Batman?
You can also see in this film that Clark learnt from Zod fight aftermath. He takes Zod Doom to outer space so it won't destroy the city and hurt people. He is learning to be a better Superman.
What are you talking about? He tried that with Zod.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps what I mean here is he is learning to be a better Sup. When he fought with Zod, still unskilled, their fight destroyed many buildings, led to many death of ppl inside.
In MoS, he was just trading punch with Zod and fought to outer space. Also Zod was the one who pushed Sup to space. In BvS, he intentionally flied to and pushed Zod Doom to outer space. He kept punching ZD further and further and all of those are to make sure ZD wouldn't be close to the city. Get it now?
@@meep-4272 Yes, the trading punches led to many buildings getting destroyed since Clark (staying in Zod's face since he'd sworn to kill everybody) wasn't trying to kill Zod, he was trying to knock him unconscious (despite not knowing how to fight well) and tried to manuever them away from the city but Zod wasn't fooled.
You are only half-right that Zod pushed them up to space, he did the initial push but Clark immediately grapples with him and they're _spinning_ up to orbit then Clark hurls Zod outwards but it's pointless since Zod can already fly by that point.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps zack said he purposely made Superman take doomsday to space to show he learned from Zods fight, he did a whole breakdown for MoS and BvS
Lol “Zod Doom” and like father like son they’re getting impaled Zod in one form or another
He’s still technically Doomsday though. Yeah he doesn’t have the same comic book origin of being a test tube baby that died and resurrected himself until he became an ultimate killing machine, but even the JL animated series didn’t exactly have the same origin either. Doomsday was a CADMUS creation in the cartoon.
14:52 Eric: “LET THAT SINK IN!!”
I don’t know why I find it so funny but that’s honestly hilarious!
fun fact: the senator is played by the voice actress for Mrs. Incredible
Does the actress have a lisp? I'm just curious
@@har5814 i believe she is deaf in one ear, like Eric, which causes the slight speech impediment
Holly hunter. Also the president is voiced by Patrick Wilson who played ocean master and nite owl
Fun fact actor does acting in separate things wow! What a stat
The voice actress? Poor Holly Hunter, haha.
Definitely enjoyed the ultimate cut way more than the theatrical
Same. The Ultimate Edition is the director's cut. Snyder wanted this movie to be shown in theatres. But WB cut off those crucial 30 minutes from the movie and the rest is history.
It's still not good. Just better
@@becauseofobi-wan3543 I'd say it's a solid 8
@@this_is_AK company's really need to stop butting in movies and let the director have full control. cause every time a company butts in on a movie its just gonna make it worse and their only hurting themselves
@@Wizard_Pikachu Not in my book. This movie is still a 7 at best. The "martha" scene is still ridiculous and honestly shouldn't be in this movie along with many other stuff like that what they lex luther.
Eric: You've seen this movie, right guys!
The Guys: .___. yeh I guess.
Lol! Thats enthusiasm we like to see! lol
We all just love Eric! Man he is like the Perfect Balancer! Jesus Bless That Man!
i think Aaron is the balance he disliked it but mediated the opinions as saw both sides
eric just liked it and the other disliked it
movie still fucking sucks though
I love how they start headbanging at 11:45 for the WW theme
Like or don’t like BvS, I think the majority of us can agree that the warehouse scene is still the best Batman fight scene in live-action. Very Arkham-esque.
Up until now I had been having a bad day but what had been getting me through it was knowing that Blind Wave were uploading this today. I know I speak for many when I say that I love you guys and you really do make people's lives better. Thank you
I hope your day goes better!!
@@rayg2724 it's a lot better now. Thank you man. I hope you have a great day :)
This video putting Eric at the top of everyone's favorite list
like MoS reaction kasidjada it's so cool to see how much he enjoys
Always has been
Its been Eric all along.
I love all the guys, but Eric's enthusiasm is contagious.
Eric very rarely dislikes something I've noticed.
Even when something does disapoint him,
*cough game of thrones season 8,
He is very civil and still highlights the parts he likes
I really love the idea, how you guys started reviewing and watching initial movies before ZSJL, so that you can feel and make your point before watching 3rd movie. 👍
Final...shut up...theres more to come...including JL2 and 3
These DCEU reactions make me love Eric even more.
His fanboyisms are reminiscent of my own.
Rick being negative and not liking it is like the Yin to Eric's Yang
Calvin and Aaron kinda being meh is also a nice balance
Does Rick like anything?? I really can’t think of a movie or show that he actually liked 😂
@@DanielFernandez-gv6iy he loves Attack on Titan
Or atleast he loved the early season 1 and 2 episodes.
His reaction to most stuff is just meh predominantly
I miss Shane
@@DanielFernandez-gv6iy It seems to me like Rick generally won't like anything that contains even the hint of a plot hole, or at least what he perceives to be a plot hole. On top of that he also generally seems to just dislike a lot of common tropes (like how he mentioned he doesn't like grounded and morally complex superhero stories).
On the other hand I have seen him have a lot of fun with certain Anime and also "so bad it's good" content, not to mention he still seems to enjoy a lot of the shows he watches for this channel.
@@RikvA I just can't comprehend how someone doesn't like different tales on comic book characters.
We would never have the likes of Logan and the Dark Knight if every creator played it safe
Hell Joker would never have been an idea.
Rick's argument here is just stubborn for no reason
@@RikvA thank you for the thought out answer. A Lot of the things I’ve seen him react to he did not like and had lots of nitpicking complaints. I don’t hate him or anything lol just an observation
Interesting that the Theatrical cut didn’t have the scene with Steppenwolf near the end and his design is akin to the Snyder design in the upcoming Justice League. So if anything his “new” design for the Snyder Cut is actually his original design, and they fucked it up for the 2017 cut of JL.
Yes! And only a few seem to notice this
Honestly so happy Zack Snyder's Justice League has brought more fans to watch BVS Ultimate Edition. It deserves to be seen.
@Jonathan Jones yeah
@Jonathan Jones yeah
@Jonathan Jones yeah
@Jonathan Jones yeah
The ultimate cut of this movie is one of my favorite cbm’s. I appreciate taking these characters to their lowest moments and building them back up there. The deconstruction is favored IMO, and this is the first time on film we got a bad ass Batman.
I appreciate your guys difference of opinion on this film, but I love it and can’t wait for the Snyder Cut tomorrow.
Batman’s theme in this movie >>>
It’s just so good🔥🔥
that is debatable
Even tho the justice league movie was ass I really liked Batman’s theme
@@abirmahmud2242 Its not debatable
@@abirmahmud2242 wym his theme so goated prolly better than Nolan’s no cap
@@abirmahmud2242 All BvS themes are masterpieces, hail Hans Zimmer!
0:49 Calvin: "You never refer to it as this off camera, making us look like idiots" I laughed so hard
I may not like Snyder's take on the characters, but I can appreciate the Ultimate Cut as a coherent and interesting take on the DC Universe, which is more than I can say for the botch job of a theatrical release. Great cast (Eisenberg excepted), great score, a few amazing action sequences, amazing visuals and provocative ideas.
Matches my exact thoughts when I rewatched it yesterday to a T. I'd rather see the man have a vision all his and told thoroughly.
Exactly how I feel. I watched the extended cut first without even realizing it, and kinda came away from it thinking “Well I didn’t love it, or agree with everything it did, but it seems like a perfectly competent, enjoyable movie for the most part.”
Couldn’t figure out why so many people were criticizing it for not making sense and plots going nowhere until I realized how much stuff was missing from the theatrical release lol
You are Right, and I think that Eisenberg would had been better for The Riddler and Cranston as Lex :(
@@altair334 I agree with that 100%
idk I still think the extended cut didn't cover all the holes, but it did give more time to set up the conflict which I do appreciate. Also I don't think Eisenberg is a bad casting choice, he played his role pretty well, it's the writing of the character that should be criticized
Great Show Mates!!! Did the same thing myself to prep!!!
The nightmare is a dream, Flash talking to Bruce is reality.
Actually Knightmare is the future
The only problem I had with this movie is they did "Dark Knight Returns" & "Death of Superman", two huge comic book storyline in a single movie, second to their franchise and "Joker type Lex Luthor". Everything else was great.
It was cause Zach wanted to make a LoTR style with DC with five films: MoS, BvS, JL 1, 2, 3
Zack wanted to do a whole five movie saga. So he used the two storylines.
I get that and given circumstances he did the best thing possible to show it but still it could've been
1. Man of Steel followed by Batman (with death of Robin showing how he got to point "f*ck these criminals" and post credit of Metropolis news) and then JL 3 parts as he planned. Many people were confused why he was killing criminals and that's why I think they should've made a movie to explain Batfleck before BvS just like he did MoS.
If there wasn't MoS movie and just Batman movie followed by BvS I bet people would've hated Henry Cavil Superman with "he turn this city into a Battlefield" like how Batman felt in this movie
But they Didn't. At least not "Dark Knight Returns". "Death of Superman" arguable. I personally count "Reign of The Superman" as main juice and soul of "DOS". So They didn't do "Death of Superman" stortline. Just use one element of it. If You don't count Reign of the Superman part of it. Then yes. They make that Storyline. To be honest, without "ROTS", that storyline is too thin.
I’m meh about the movie too (not great but also not terrible), but that opening sequence with Bruce in the destruction of Metropolis is pretty spectacular.
batman was talking abt superman's parents thinking they were aliens and him realizing that he is human and has human parents is wht snaps him out
Exactly.
one thing we can agree on snyderverse is the way they show superman's physicality i.e shockwave punches, super speed,sonic boom and even after a huge fight superman never looks tired. there is nothing like that in mcu.
Fax
13:00 "Batman, Lex Luthor is trying to play us against each other" . Even if Batman didn't believe him, at least it would seem like Superman was actually trying to be smart other than "I don't have time for this"
1:17:32 Mark! I love how this LL didn't try to trick CK as previous versions did! "Save me!" 😅
I very much enjoyed having Rick on, so those of us that really didn't like this movie had some representation
yep
rick is my soul
Yeah, I didn't like the movie. Saw both theatrical and ultimate cut. Although the ultimate cut is better, it doesn't cross the line to being a good movie for me.
Bruce thought of Supermans parents as alien but when he see's Lois Lane, a human who cares for Superman, telling Batman that Superman's mothers name is Martha. It humanises Superman in Bruce's eyes.
Calvin during the whole discussion: I just wasted 3 hours
Batman mentions fear a lot and that’s what this (IMO outstanding) film is about: fear. Look at how afraid the powerful are when their power is surpassed. “That’s how it starts: the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel.” Alfred is, in a way, referring not only to Bruce (a genius master martial artist billionaire), but Lex (a genius, egotistic billionaire), and mankind (the used-to-be dominant species on Earth)
Each of those groups/people were, in their minds, the apex predators of their societies. And with Superman around, all of their skills, muscles, money, and power mean virtually nothing.
It’s nice to imagine that we’d just be taking selfie’s on 5th Avenue with immortal Norse gods but humanity, in this film, is going through a real identity crisis. And Clark is trying to navigate himself in a world that...kinda won’t LET him be a hero.
If the movie seems “grey” it’s because this is how humanity would react, if not worse.
Yes.
Bruce Wayne wants the Batman to "strike fear into a cowardly and superstitious lot" (almost like a dark god) while Clark wants Superman to inspire hope and good will in all and is deeply troubled being feared and worshipped almost like a deity.
So they practically start out seeing eachother as sabotaging their own life's work.
_"And with Superman around, all of their skills, muscles, money and power mean virtually nothing."_
And I disagree with them on that point. It's always been Clark's argument that no one knows what Superman and Lex Luthor could have done for mankind working together from the start.
This is later shown with the Justice League satellite HQ, that's not something Clark Kent just tinkers together on his own at superspeed like he would in the Silver Age comics where he was kind of limitlessly powerful in every way.
This is a bitter pill to swallow, while we imagine heroes will be celebrated, and cheered humanity rarely works like that. Batman v Superman is what happens when two people who have been watching and reading fake/inaccurate news engineered about them eventually meet. A true reflection of our current society where groups of people are tethering on hate for each other based on our 24hr news cycles. I take a cautionary tale in that. I like that the DCEU doesn't paint humanity as constant victims of invasions and destroyers, these people are active contributors to the destruction of their society.
@@sonia5698 Indeed, and they made Krypton not just a cautionary tale of complacency but of minding the environment and genetic engineering.
THIS. 💯
BVS is one of my favorite comic book films but what I love about this channel is that even if majority of you guys that didnt like the movie, you guys analyze it, ask questions and look at it with a different view... rather than just saying "this movie sucks". You guys notice each detail on what the director is trying to portray. One of my favorite reactors. Bravo
The IMAX version of this film hits HBO Max tomorrow alongside the Snyder Cur! Get hyped!
I mean thats cool but I dont have a screen that can do a full 70mm
I've been waiting for this since yesterday!!!!! Thank you for reacting to this movie! It's one of my favourites!
I was on the fence with this film back in 2016...Ultimate Edition however has vastly impressed me. I think this was ahead of its time. It may well be a Masterpiece.
Lol
Late to the party. I agree it was ahead of it’s time. Cynical superheroes.. like as if they exist in a world like ours. Media manipulation. And the Hope Superman has reignited in Bruce by the end. There’s a lot to like here.
@@DylanMadd Then why is The Boys a well liked show and this movie is still called shit ? Couldn't it just be the quality and terrible character work and writing could it ?
@@henrychinaski5938 The Boys is intended to be an edgy take on superheros. BvS is not a safe take on cultural rooted characters of Superman and Batman, but it's not intended to be edgy, even though people misunderstood it to be such. Just understanding the plot or character motivation is not enough to truly appreciate BvS, you need to understand the visual narrative and thematic storytelling as well along with its musical score.. It operatic and poetic... It's not a plot or character driven movie it's theme driven. If you manage to connect them all together, maan you will really understand the beauty of this movie.
@@sarathb4602 Oh God. Not another Snyder apologist .
15:37
It is at this exact second, Batman realizes that he has become Joe Chill, and is horrified by the realization.
Eric is officially my favorite now! I understand why people don't like this movie and that's fair, but I really love this movie and it was nice seeing Eric fighting (in a civilized and mature manner) for this movie. No disrespect to the rest of the guys, because they didn't just shit on it, they praised what they liked and gave reasons why they didn't certain parts, but Eric a real one 👊🏾
I wanna see Rick's reaction and thoughts to Josstice League after watching the Snyder cut. (especially the mustache)
I know... i still wanna see it...
Definitely more coherent & better flow than the Theatrical
But still very incoherent in parts. Doomsday plan makes no sense, especially if Batman managed to kill Sups. Doomsday makes no sense without it either - he kills Sups, now what?
Whole Superman investigating Batman and getting angrier serves zero purpose - he only attacked him when being blackmailed, so Lex didn't have to do anything to Superman, just take his mother and tell him, what to do like he did. And Batan didn't need it either, he was angry already, whole thing was about getting Kryptonite.
Martha doesn't work at all, Batman has to be mentally unstable and obsessed with his mother, instead we see him grieving for his parents like you do when they are killed when you were a child, he's also justifiably angry at Superman. If Batmans beaten those who kill mothers of wives to the inch of their lives, he would be unstable for Martha to work. If he trembled and stumbled at every mention of mothers of Marthas or family, it would have worked. If he saw nightmares throughout the movie about his parents it would have probably worked. But it's still disjointed and doesn't work at all.
@@nathanliteroy9835 Whoa calm down. Breath. That part of the DCEU is over. Its still below avg just better than theatrical
@@Citizen88020120820 Thank you for your fake concern, but it's misplaced
I love how the warehouse fight scene ends with Batman casually punching an already incapacitated henchman in the balls.
Watching Eric react to these movies is like watching how I watch these movies haha love it
Same I just love him
The whole Martha thing is just the idea that until the very end, until he’s about to die, Superman is asking his killer, someone who hated him to save his mother. That thought hits Bruce and he finally for just a second, sees him as a man and comes out of his kill rage.
He really should have said "you can kill me but please save my mother" that would have worked so much better.
Everyone understand that, the problem for some people is the delivery.
@@zuziagorzkowska2456 "You're letting him kill my mother!"
"...So there _are_ more aliens. Knew you were not to be trusted."
Stab. Dead.
always thought bruce would know his moms name is martha bc he’s the worlds greatest detective and he would of researched clark/superman but who knows
Imagine how hilarious it was when I watched this film with two friends and we were discussing how bad all the Martha thing was in the movie. And then we realized that both my and my friends' mother's name was Martha XD.
Well-made pearl necklaces are knotted between each pearl. That way, if the string breaks, all the pearls don't fall off. Thomas Wayne was a cheap prick.
At the end during the funeral scene, you can see a woman holding a bowl of food walking into the room.
That's Zack Snyder's wife & co-producer Deborah making a cameo.
And if you look closely at the old photo of Wonder Woman, you can see Zack Snyder himself dressed as a soldier in the background.
clark can hear lois 1/2 way around the globe, but he cant hear his mother scream when kidnapped?
EXACTLY! Batman can travel to the location take a lengthy amount of time being a badass, but Superman can't instantaneously go and save her?!
Not really, Lois lives in Metropolis, and so does Clark, but as far as I know, Martha doesn't
Well he’s watching over Lois because she’s a reporter and he knows she’ll get in trouble for chasing a story. While his mom is living a calmer life and doesn’t really need to worry about her as much until lex basically kidnapps her. Which is why he never expected that to happened.
Its lex who ordered Martha to be kidnapped , don't you think he has some idea to suppress his hearing by using lead ?. I mean lex knows all weakness and strengths of superman. We already know that he can't see through lead.
I assume either you didnt watched the movie or you watch it, but skipped things..
18:32 Mark!
Alexander Luthor: "Your Doomsday?"
Superman: "No. I thought he was yours!"
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superman: “save my mom”
batman: “who’s your mom?”
superman: “her name is martha”
I think Clark was just trying to cut out the middle man.
As we know there is only one Martha in the world after the death of Martha Wayne
He thought he was gonna die. At that moment the only thing Clark cared about was his mom being saved. That’s it. That’s why he said Martha. And that name triggered Batman and he snapped out of it enough to ask him why did he say the name. It’s believable.
@@notyouraveragebear9326 yeah exactly he thought he was going to die so it wouldn’t make sense for him to say “save my mom” because the next thing he would likely say is “her name is martha”
@@huffymeep the dialogue before that Batman says I bet your parents taught you you mean something he didn’t care about his parents if Clark said save my mom he would’ve thought he was talking about his alien parents and not have cared at all
@@notyouraveragebear9326 yup exactly
The Wonder Woman song gets me every time Bro
A cool little detail is the future scene isn’t a dream, more so a real portal-like glimpse into a potential future. After Bruce “wakes up” from Flash’s time travel message, we see behind him floating and falling pieces of paper implying Flash was actually there and affecting the physical surroundings.
Rick, when Bruce said "I bet your parents taught you" he was referring to his Krypton parents. He knows an alien has parents. But not human parents. That gives him humanity.
There is a deleted scene where Clark research more on Bruce and finds out about his parents dying etc.
There are more deleted scenes to this movie more 30 mins stuff to this additional 3 hour movie... And i agree to your comment... I believe we'll be getting it with master cut of bvs in few days...
@@manofvalor4437 we won´t. Snyder has said the ultimate cut is the director´s cut.
I don't know if it was intentional but it's kinda hilarious how the reaction seems to cut around the majority of Eisenberg's scenes lmao
Eric, you are amazing. You are an awesome moderator. I love every aspect of Batman v Superman. I don't even mind the theatrical cut, I loved the movie when I saw it in 2016.
The Martha scene was never a problem to me. I saw Batman v Superman in the movie theatre with my mom and this scene moved me, I immediately understood and connected with what Zack was going for. But I'm a sap.
Seeing the snydercut, i can totaly see luthor becomming the sinnister Mastermind he is.
I think it would help a lot of people's perspectives if they didn't go into this film with a pre-conceived notion of what Batman should be. He is introduced as the villain of the story. His arc is that he has his faith in humanity restored and becomes the good Batman he was before. That's what his intro monologue was about. How there used to be diamond abolutes (no killing) but it was all a beautiful lie. He went from "How many good guys are left? How many stay that way?" to "Men are still good." He makes a promise to be better on Clark's grave.
The story Snyder is telling was supposed to be a 5-film arc. Man of Steel, BvS, JL1-3. He was never trying retell the same story of the comics. Literally every film is a commentary on our society. Man of Steel was about how we would react to the introduction of a being like Superman. BvS was about how we would react to the aftermath of MoS and how politics/religion/etc would be affected by the existence of Superman. By the end of BvS, like Eric says, half the world worships him as god. Half hates him for being a destructive alien. But then he dies. The world was so busy about his existence, they didn't think about how much they need him. So in JL, we will see how the world mourns and regrets their behavior. That's what i gather at least. Zack is telling his own story and using comics for inspirations. In my opinion, you aren't supposed to feel heartbreak for Superman's death (at least as much as Tony dying or something.) His death is used to tell a bigger story than just one character. It has a purpose that is very much necessary to progress Clark's journey to becoming the Superman we all know. The world rejected him. They lost him. And they're granted a second chance when he comes back. When that happens, i think he will be the hero everybody looks up at and smiles. It will feel earned.
This is all just my take on it. I hope you guys read this and find your own conclusions :)
The majority of people DIDN'T get that from the movie though. Even though the film CLEARLY explains all of that. People are just stuck with their idea of Batman. I mean it's SO CLEAR in the movie and still people don't get that
Agreed. All these people who were confused as to why Batman was so violent and killing bad guys or not caring if they died is baffling to me. The movie explains this when Bruce says to Alfred the lines about 20 years in Gotham and criminals are like weeds. Plus you see plainly that Joker has killed Robin. It doesn’t matter which Robin it was. It happened most likely at a time when Batman refused to kill Joker. By letting him live, Batman essentially let Joker kill Robin. He is clearly fed up with fighting a losing battle against the Gotham criminal element that just seems to be endless. Now Superman exists and again, Bruce has lost an entire Wayne building and all his employees let. Bruce has snapped and sees this mission to eliminate this dangerous alien as his way to finally make a real difference.
I do think there are many comic fans who are so versed in those stories and accustomed to the light, fun superhero movies that they literally are incapable of being open minded enough to see a different take on those characters. Granted, BvS could’ve been better and the trailers made it seem much more like an action film rather than the drama it was. However, I feel like it wasn’t really surprising after seeing Man of Steel which established that this was a grounded world rather than the typical fantasy that the world of regular humans would simply accept and celebrate a super powered alien as their hero after others of his kind attempted to destroy the planet.
@@ohnofan Yep BvS is definitely slower paced than Man of Steel and the BvS trailers. But like you said, that should be expected by now.
I seriously cannot wait to see my favourite reactors explode at the Snyder cut
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Aaron: "Would you rather have gotten crushed up above though?" Calvin: "I would have!" without any hesitation! I love it! lol
I just realized that the "Wonder Woman" theme could also be heard as the Justice League theme since it plays while she opens the attachments to the other Meta Humans. But since it was used during her appearance in the Doomsday fight, everyone attributed it to her and that carried over to the Wonder Woman movie score. Even the track title "Is She With You?" references the part where the Trinity is finally seen together! The track is cued when she saves Bats from Doomsday's laser beam a member of the Justice has arrived to save another member. I just think it's pretty darn neat!
(Though I love that's it's her theme and that she is represented by such an awesome instrument as the electric cello!)
Finally! My Favourite CBM ever and the best reactors, so glad you guys are doing this.
best onscreen batman fight scenes. Stiff and rubbery isnt how batman fights. this movie did them like a comic book.
Yes my favorite cbm too
Knowing that someone here was a Smallville watcher... makes my heart sing
If you pay attention the location they found the krytonite, it was the location where Superman destroyed the first world engine. It was making earth into krypton so the kryptonite was organically made in earth by the world engine.
dude, you blew everyones mind!
"It's crazy how much they rush and yet how slow it feels." - Rick summarising this movie in a sentence.
I still don't get how people don't understand the Martha part... How would a guy who pretty much is who he is from the sheer shock of his mother and father's death not gonna have a borderline PTSD attack when he here's a god he fears who he thinks has been sending him notes saying you let your family die utter the words "You're letting him kill Martha." Of course you'd be in shock and like "why the fuck are you saying that name to me?" And then it's the realization cemented by the name that Clark isn't some demon he's pretty much another kid who grew up on earth with parents and Bruce is about take someone's mother away from them. So of course it sends him into a confused frenzy, and if you were to dull to realize any of that. You've got no hope of you didn't realize that's what he meant by "Martha's not going to die tonight" he's seeing it in his mind as another chance to save his mum and stop Clark loosing his. It's like people have to be spoon fed shit these days without thinking.
Everyone understands it. That's why they hate it.
Everyone understands the intent behind the moment. It's the execution we have a problem with. The intent of Batman at the end of his rope about to butcher an innocent man who he views as an inhuman monster, but then that said 'monster' says something that snaps Bruce back to reality and face the grim fact that he went back on the promise he made to himself and is now the one holding the gun that cut down Thomas and Martha Wayne is a brilliant idea.
It's too bad the moment ruined by the fact that a grown-ass 30-something man is calling his own mother by her first name (nobody does that!) and putting unneeded emphasis on the meaningless coincidence that Batman and Superman both have moms named Martha with a confounded Batman who was two-seconds away from murdering a man barking "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?" like a confused kid.
more like they understand the reason, but lack the empathy
Because the way they executed it is like parody-level
You make a fair point about him saying Martha instead of "My mom". But I actually know people who casually call their parents by name, I do it too not all the time but when I want their attention or being banterous. But in all fairness that's PTSD for you. People get confused and pretty much panic over things that get them worked up especially if the trigger is the thing that traumatized them in the first place. My Aunt bless her, crawls into a ball and cries if she's put in a dark room like a helpless child, shes a 40 odd year old Teacher (not my business to share why) but that's how easily a rational mind can break when triggered and Bruce Wayne or at the very least this version of him certainly has PTSD with the way he acts in that scene.
@@deathstrike626 And? This is the first time we ever met this iteration of Batman, so any emotional attachment we're supposed to have just isn't there. Some people call their mom by their first name? I never heard that before but okay, fine, but Superman isn't one of those people. If they wanted to do a movie about a jaded, bitter Batman and a disillusioned Superman, fine. But don't make that your second movie!
The fact that they wasted The Death of Superman is just rancid icing on the big "Fuck You" cake. The Death of Superman should have been the DCEU's answer to Infinity War, and instead it's shoehorned into the last 20 minutes of a Batman movie. Yeah, let's face it. Batman v Superman isn't a Batman and Superman movie, it's a Batman movie with Superman in it. For fuck's sake, he barely even says anything in the theatrical cut. Getting back to the point, pop culture had one shot at making The Death of Superman work in live-action and they threw it all away because oops, they didn't bother making enough people like this Superman for his death to matter. You want failure epitomized? Generations of children were traumatized over the deaths of a deer, a lion, a dinosaur, and a talking truck, yet this movie stabbed Superman through the heart and nobody cared.
The best reasoning I can think of for the Martha scene is that bruce saw superman as an alien completely overlooking the fact that he was earth grown, I loved the duality bruce built in his mind about Clark and once Clark begs him to save Martha it broke through to bruce that Clark really is a being capable of love and connection not just an "overseer who bends for no one". That's just my take and reasoning for the scene I still maintain it wouldve have been easier for fans to cope with the Martha scene if Bruce kept on beating superman while he asked about Martha.
But literally just before that scene, Bruce talks about what Clark's parents said to Clark when he was young. It's strange that the thought of Superman having parents would change anything after that
@@mlgnerd13 to me it was that bruce felt his parents indulged Clark with delusions of grandeur as the savior of earth telling him "that you mean something" combining the line when bruce says "you're not brave, men are brave" and I also feel that somehow bruce knew the zod event was in fact Clark's fault for sending the beacon causing the sword of Rao to find earth.
The way I always took the Martha scene was that Batman always viewed Superman as an alien, a thing. So when he starts begging for him to save “Martha”, it gives him pause. Then once Lois explains that Martha is Superman’s mother’s name, Batman realises that while Superman may be an alien he was raised as a human, by humans. So if he actively goes out of his way to kill Superman, he’d be no better than the man who killed his parents*. The one thing I will say, I wish they had another excuse to explain Batman’s actions in this movie. It’s heavily implied that Lex knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne, so why not take it a step further by having Lex use Scarecrow’s Fear Gas on him making Batman more unstable than usual, with his mother’s death in particular playing on his mind. Maybe even take it a step further by explaining that Robin’s death was immediately before the Metropolis attack, so that’s also playing on his mind.
*I think this Batman justifies the casualties he causes as “they willingly put themselves in my way, but so long as I don’t go out of my way to kill them then my conscience is clear”. He put Superman into that position, and went out of his way to get him there, so if he killed him then he absolutely would have been, without question, a murderer.
Last note: I think Doomsday was Lex’s backup plan. Just in case they don’t kill each other.
Martha scene was about Batman realizing that he has become the same thing that killed his parents in that dark alley, now he is also about to kill an innocent person and let another Martha die. That scene also made Superman more human than he ever was. The opening credits, Bruce's dreams, Alfred's dialogues are the key to this scene. If you were zoning out, the scene wouldn't work. The preferred execution is to just do it with normal lines and exchange of dialogues. Unfortunately this isn't one of those movies.
Why he said Martha instead of Mum is nitpicking. It would eventually reach to a point where he will say Martha anyway. Doomsday is Lex's Ace card. He just didn't know that the creation would be out of his control despite being borne of his blood.
"You're letting him kill my mother!"
"...So there _are_ more aliens. I knew you couldn't be trusted!"
Stab. Dead.
Finally ... I'm always amazed people don't get any of this! Thank you for making feel like I'm not taking crazy pills.
He was still protecting his identity, that's why he calls her by the name and don't said Mom.
@@Shurororu Neat thought 👍
I usually appreciate Eric's appreciation of things, but not so with the Snyder hero films. Snyder has VERY good stylized imagery that does tell story beats, but the story is somehow both overlong and too simplistic. Both this and Man of Steel start out with an initial premise that overall *does* get solved at the point where a better paced film would end, but then Snyder goes and drops a big huge destructive denouement that just extends the film in a shallow attempt to be "epic." Man of Steel didn't really NEED Zod. He could've been great sequel fodder with Man of Steel dealing with a more introductory scenario and Superman coming into his own and becoming the hero that people looked up to as a savior, which as it stands, Superman as the ultimate hero isn't really shown, just barely alluded to. At the same time, BvS didn't NEED Doomsday and the Death of Superman. You could instead craft a story around the tile confrontation in a less convoluted way, particularly with the destruction of MoS's climax as Batman's driving motivation. Then have Doomsday and Superman's death as the THIRD Superman movie.
Basically, these movies try to do too much, with a LOT of over dramatic and stylized imagery that draws attention to itself, while also combating the presentation of the heroes in a tone and grayness that might work for one-off films, but that I think people are resistant to having a cinematic universe built around. MCU is presenting the **Definitive** film version of their heroes, and while they do deviate from the comics, they fit the heroic tone. Here, I don't think the majority of people want _these_ versions, these interpretations, to be the *definitive* film versions of these characters. As such, there''s just a huge emotional disconnect with these films.
I'd have broken down these films totally differently:
Man of Steel: Superman and DCAU introduction with Background Luthor and perhaps Metallo.
A Batman movie, ala The Dark Knight Returns, partially as a response to Superman's return and Gotham's deterioration. But perhaps a more typical Batman depending on how people feel about that Batman, being older and jaded as the "definitive" film version. Either way, a film to get the audience familiar with Batman's perspective.
A Man of Steel sequel: Dealing with Zod and Superman unable to prevent such wide-spread destruction, while expanding the Lois relationship.
BvS: The fallout from Zod leading to a confrontation between Batman and Superman, ending in them maybe having to come together to stop a man-made disaster we see throughout the film, perhaps With the film ending with them still at odds, but not trying to beat each other.
Man of Steel Third Movie: Doomsday and the death of Superman. Batman now respects Superman for his sacrifice. Needs to find other heroes to fill the void he left.
Justice League: The Big threat is here. Perhaps a little Reign of the Supermen in here too. Ends with the possibility of Superman's resurrection.
End of Phase One. Not perfect, but still sort of tied to what they were going for.
The one thing I never understood is how Bruce had a vision/dream of the future. He had never seen a Parademon in his life so how did his mind construct the images of them. Is it because Barry from the future somehow put that vision into his mind or something?
Thats why its called a premonition.
Once again, I appreciate Rick's ability to cut through hype and movie forgiveness.
1:01:39 Mark! "FAV" = "Fast Attack Vehicle". The "United States Army" got the ideal while watching the 1982 Barry Bostwick movie "MegaForce" being made. In that movie though, they were called "Mega Destroyers". Then the next thing you know, in addition to Jed becoming a millionaire, the 1986 Chuck Norris movie "The Delta Force" is using them, because of the real "Delta Force" using them!
Over time they inspire the latest in "Batmobile" designs! 😎
This cut of the movie actually rearranges some scenes too.
I will always remember the scenes at Lex Corp with the government folks always confused me in the theatrical cut. Because, in the theatrical cut, you get the scene where he meets them and talks about wanting to import the rock, then it cuts away and we see some completely unrelated scenes. Then we get the scene where the government guy asks Lex what he wants, and Lex asks for access to the crashed ship, and Zod's body. It feels like there's a chunk of time between those two scenes, which makes the movie's timeline feel messy and confusing.
But in the Ultimate Edition, those two scenes are back to back. It's literally one sequence. You even see Holly Hunter walking away in the start of the second scene, so it's obvious that those two scenes are supposed to take place one after the other. It does wonders for making the story flow in a cohesive way.
Honestly, if ever there was an appropriate time to call something "definitive" this was the time to do it. The Ultimate Edition seriously devalues the theatrical cut simply by being more cohesive and easy to follow. Of course, the movie still has to be your cup of tea for you to enjoy it. But the fact of the matter is that the theatrical cut was a muddled mess, and honestly deserved to be so divisive among fans and critics.
Say what you will about this movie...but damn Superman's death was so well done and I honestly felt so much emotion in the scene.
still don’t understand why he couldn’t just thrown the literal spear and kill doomsday but aight
@@misterrabbit2106 didn't u realize he was weak and also doomsday is zod that's as normal from his planet. He can't do stuff with him like he does with others.
@@thereviewguy8369 but he was strong enough to fly?
@@KMM-kx2yn u realize he flies due to low gravity on earth than on his planet. It's as simple for him as walking. Nothing special. Also u see him waving, he isn't able to fly easily.
@@misterrabbit2106 He was probably weakened just by holding it, and besides I'm sure he knew he'd get much better force by swinging/flying it into Doomsday's heart.
There was a different take that showed lex saying doomsday would only obey him. He was clearly wrong
i remember that in theater release
44:43 Mark! Hmm. In war movies the man with the flamethrower either explodes or catchs on fire, when his fuel tanks are shot! 💥
People don’t notice that this whole movie is Batman vs Superman not just the fight. People have to read between the lines. The fight just comes because of Batman and lex
Exactly! Lex was 5 steps ahead of everyone and planned the whole entire thing and wanted Bruce & Clark to do exactly what they did.
Main point in the movie
Batman was extremely worried of god like power of Superman since he watched zod vs sup fight so closely,the destruction they caused
From that point he went to a tensed psychological mindset having an opinion that superman got no human feeling
But at the end when superman sacrificed himself he realised he was completely wrong
You understand the movie when you see from Batmans prospective
Suppose if superman really exiated and caused such havoc destruction
Would not we be worried?
I’m glad that even though they didn’t like it they had a civil discussion about it. True friends.
The extended cut is defiantly the superior cut of this movie. It makes more since then the original cut.
It's the WB Interference Cut. :-)
This movie is the definition of underrated
In what?
@@11scream Deez nuts
@@justtoolit6051 I agree
Eric being a giant fan of shit is the reason I watch this channel.
Keep doing you Eric!
good reaction, I personally don't understand the dislike for this movie, I think it is a nearly perfect movie, Ben Affleck is brilliant as Batman and as Bruce Wayne, and I love the different take on Lex
It’s not because he didn’t think about he saves metropolis. It’s because of the vision he was afraid of
Calvin in his Arnold voice “Stick around” 😂😂😂
Eric's line is not wrong at 31:00. But, actually, the Martha scene explanation is this: Bruce see Superman like a danger alien guy which needs to be stopped before the destruction of more city's buildings (like a walking atomic bomb) and innocents warmed; or worst, like became a villain. That's why the opening act is important. And this isn't because Lex manipulated him. He already thought in that way, based on what he had to deal with 20 years in Gotham and because this is a Batman who lost faith/hope on people - he accepted the figure that Gotham gave to him: a monster who punish criminals and show no mercy anymore. And I understand that for people used to a Batman based at New 52 (like the animated versions or, even, the Nolan) this sounds strange, because is a less "heroic" vision of Batman, which already is a dark character. But the thing is that this Batman would not fit to the purpose of the movie, which is the Dark Knight of Frank Miler. There's no Bat-Family to support him, there's no Justice League yet to help him to deal with his darkness and traumas; the only thing that stops him to embrace his monstrosity figure, and became something similar with his villains, or something like the Batman Who Laughs, is Alfred. So this is the Batman countenance that Snyder is dealing with. So what Lex did was prevent Bruce to see who Superman really is: Clark Kent, a human being.
Then, at Martha's scene, they don't start a friendship because their mothers have the same name, but because Superman has a mother, which is a human and is in danger. By that, he realized that Clark is not the figure that he build in his head, but, since he lost his parents, if Clark's mother dies this could lead a trauma and Superman could be no longer a hero. The same names thing is more like a coincidence, but helped Bruce to figure out faster because of his own trauma.
BUT, even by all that I said, the scene still has problems. Became a meme not necessarily because people were dumb to understand, but I think that the way those dialogues were made, and the way that the scene was shoot in the climax of the fight made people got confused. I, myself, accepted the first time I watch, but it felt strange; this whole line of reasoning that I made took me some couple of times of watches
Now, about the movie, I really like it - even more with the time. I don't think it's perfect, far for that, and I think that a lot of mistakes that people said are true, some are bullshit, but I do really like. And I guess is because I allowed myself to absorb Snyder's vision with a open mind and because I understand that he didn't wanted, or tried, to follow the exact same footsteps from the comics (like Watchmen, *except the ending); but, instead, he wanted to tell a "new story" with his own way to make movies.
I’ve always liked this movie and not sure why everyone hates on it?
Because it's bad and internally incosistent
people hate what they dont understand
@@strongwise1255 Lol no, people can dislike things they understand too
Because it was wasted potential.
Two of the biggest superheroes of all time meet on the big screen...and it is just "meh"
Lex created Doomsday because it was the 2nd motivation Lex had in the movie. In the Library inauguration, we saw a peek of the real Lex Luthor during his speech when he breaks for a moment and said "The bittersweet pain among men is having knowledge with no power because that is PARADOXICAL". From this we can know why he hates Superman, coz till the reveal of the Kryptonians and Superman, Lex probably believed that he had true power since he could move governments, but then that idea got smashed when he saw true power.
The 1st motivation of Lex in BvS is to show the world that humans shouldn't put their trust in metahumans and wanted to convince the world that Superman wasn't what they believed him to be.
Then he discovers how to create Doomsday and that solves his 2nd motivation, or he at least believes it solves it. In the movie, he says "Ancient Kryptonian Deformity, blood of my blood", but there is a deleted scene where he also says "Obeys only me". Lex believed that he could control Doomsday, and thus achieve the paradox, having his own knowledge and control true power.
Of course, just like any Lex Luthor, he gets defeated by his own hubris, that he believed he had control of Doomsday just because he created him using his own blood.
Batman sparing Superman's life has absolutely NOTHING to do with their mom's having the same name. This whole time Batman views Superman as an alien being with zero humanity, but the fact that Clark's had a HUMAN mother that, with his last breath, he wishes his enemy to save, that humanizes him and gets Bruce out of his rage. This literally has NOTHING to do with the name "Martha." People need to understand this.
It’s the bad directing in that scene. When most people can’t understand the scene it just bad directing
@@11scream You say most people, as if you had a statistic. And you have to take into account that a lot of the setup scenes were cut, which hurt the reception for the cinema release. I get that it's on the nose and could have been done better, but if you pay attention you should get it, I think Marvel really didn't help there either, as that's what people have come to expect from Superhero movies or maybe cinema as a whole, simple four act stories with a couple of setpieces each barely any complex motivations if any never mind a complex story, and everything spelled out literally by characters.
@@tacitus5665 I love it how DC fans blame Marvel, a completely separate company, for why people don’t appreciate BvS more. And how they act like BvS is some intellectual masterpiece on the same level as Inception or something. If the movie was fucking written better more people would’ve understood the Martha scene. It’s really not hard to understand at all, but the movie portrayed it in such a way that it didn’t resonate with audiences. If a significant number of people have a problem with the scene, which they do, then something clearly didn’t work from a directing standpoint.
@@11scream No people are just simple
@@TonyCT7567 Jesus Christ, you're dim. To explain it to you. Marvel make many hero film for 10 years. Films are very successful and entertaining. Have certain characteristics, like easy to follow, focus on tell don't show, bright colours, many quips, people get fans, is biiig mass phenomenon. Marvel has monopoly, so only marvel make hero film. So when hero film is not like Marvel, people be upset. People also get used to straight forward story telling and simple structure, so when film has different structure, and shows not tells, they say writing bad, if writing not bland and quippy, they say writing bad.
Sure, at the end of the day Marvel didn't influence BvS, except maybe for the decision to cut it to two hours for the theatrical version, but you can't deny, that the nass phenomenon that is marvel, hasn't had a major influence on how BvS was received, because people got so used to the style, and were major fans of the films, possibly because of the above described characteristics, and because they weren't able to correctly analyse why they enjoy Marvel and not differentiate between simply liking it and having gotten too used to those traits, BvS got the reaction it got. That Marvel has so many passionate fans, many of them young probably also didn't help, because being a fan of Marvel at best a lot of people didn't care to much about it, at worst, because being a fan if something seems for a lot of people to mean that they can't enjoy anything else, or even have to hate it, was harshly attacked. Now, you can like what you like, I don't care, if you argue well enough, like Eric saying he simply doesn't like moral greys in Super heroes, obviously, since that's kind of the point of the Snyder verse, you'll have a hard time enjoying it, but it's still a valid opinion, you should nonetheless be able to appreciate what BvS does. I'm not gonna judge wether it's a cinematic masterpiece even though I rate it very highly, and I feel like it's underappreciated for very few good reasons, that aside, it's definitely much more unique and creative than 95% of marvel, and it respects the audience as people with an attention span of more than 5 minutes. It's a proper film.
But I feel like if someone talks about a film as an "intellectual masterpiece" or something my case is lost anyway.