The Skill of Bet Folding in poker in a ($5000 POT)

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  • @trdi
    @trdi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Next time there will be a guy calling saying: " I played in a great game, there was this donk who couldn't fold aces and I got him with 96 of clubs..."

  • @vladbcom
    @vladbcom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The lesson for life: if passive player raises you on the river you fold 99.99% of the time and smile all the way to the bank.

    • @benconlon875
      @benconlon875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Need to get this tattooed on the back of my hand, i’m such a station in these spots

    • @6bt_str86
      @6bt_str86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But why do they always call..
      🤔
      I bought into a $70k ($21k up top) $300 buy in.
      Flop- AQ3/10 / Aggressor bets again/blinds getting up there too (BB Ante as well) I shove w/ J-10 (I know, I know ..
      I folded for ever already, finally a Draw...)
      This Dimwit calls my shove with fkn AQ off, no flush Possiblity...

    • @benconlon875
      @benconlon875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@6bt_str86 wow what a dimwit

    • @6bt_str86
      @6bt_str86 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benconlon875 figures , one keyboard donkey, (did you read the part where I said "I know, I know"??
      (Or you too much "special needs"??)

    • @benconlon875
      @benconlon875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@6bt_str86 shush

  • @phillipholmes5206
    @phillipholmes5206 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is where GTO leaves me a bit cold. You know all the most likely dozens of combinations of cards the villain could have, but they never say, 'or he could just have a 6 and you've lost'. I always say, 'whats the one card he could have that beats me?' saves a whole lot of time and brain effort.

  • @derekhatfield745
    @derekhatfield745 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Caller seems extremely bitter about losing this hand as he reiterates several times how bad the his opponent is. All this is, is another bad beat story with AA.

    • @OsefKincaid
      @OsefKincaid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Also: he's a big donk, he's not folding a pair on the flop... well he shouldn't lol

    • @joef4309
      @joef4309 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was going to say, aside from pre flop, the villain played the hand fine post flop. the hero, who sounds like a lot like the regs at 2/5 that complain about short-stacks at the table when they sit down, just took a standard bad beat.

    • @guybrushthreepwood8174
      @guybrushthreepwood8174 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah Gene's not like that

    • @mastyer0fReality
      @mastyer0fReality 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ya it's just him overplaying a pocket pair. I would've checked the river, I was also wondering are we in position?

    • @mastyer0fReality
      @mastyer0fReality 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OsefKincaid big donk who ripped the 6th nuts in and got paid huge because he knew exactly what we had.

  • @pot_kivach160
    @pot_kivach160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    At 2:50 caller: turn is 6 of heart. Bart: “that’s a great card for you”. The Caller lost $2500 because of this card.

  • @nolymitful
    @nolymitful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Check raising turn was a great thought for sure.

  • @charlesdavis405
    @charlesdavis405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Caller stated that the villain was a loose/passive calling station. Against this type villian it should be an easy bet/fold on the end. You're hardly ever getting bluffed in this spot as played. A hand like K10 is almost never raising in this spot, IMO.

    • @Jari44
      @Jari44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Easy bet fold, and the river sizing was too big. 1/3 pot to 1/2 pot

  • @Rockroi75
    @Rockroi75 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I notice a correlation between "Caller Goes Into Great Detail About Player X" and "Player X Ultimately Beats Caller." Seems like the more the caller described the Villain the more likely the Villain takes him down.

  • @dhoff71
    @dhoff71 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice video Bart - your content has been on point lately, keep up the great work!

  • @tgo007
    @tgo007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can someone explain the ace of spade? 8:03 So since caller doesn't have it. That means opponent could have a ace high flush busted draw that they turned into a bluff right? Not that this is a huge factor anyway since not everyone does this. But still a factor to consider.
    So in this situation, it's actually good to not have it because it gives your opponent more bluffs and more hands we beat right?

    • @DavidWilson-ok5yp
      @DavidWilson-ok5yp ปีที่แล้ว

      Correct, it adds one more big bluff,into the other guys holdings.

  • @varshavski
    @varshavski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A bit of "what if" scenario :) What if the villain had 88 or 99 and turn and river bets were just a bit smaller? Would not that be a good candidate for an all-in bluff shove on the river?

    • @shinom0ri
      @shinom0ri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting point.
      Passive fish are not rly known for that move, but it would be a great bluffing hand, if you do end up there, since it blocks the straight, and there are so few 6es in the PFR's range.
      That being said I dont think calling twice with an underpair when you are blocking the straight draw on a king high board (which is such a big part of PFR-range) is a very profitable play, when you could be up against a FD w/1-2 overcards or a hand that has you drawing to 2 outs, and you are left to guess which it is... You also really wanna know that your opponent is capable of folding a hand like a good king.
      I think if I had 88s or 99s and I wanted to turn my made hand into a bluff, I'd prefer raising the turn, to represent the 6, because there are still hands in PFR's range that would shut down on the river. When you are on the river, the PFR's range gets even stronger (or more polarized), when they bet like that. (If I did make that move I'd, shove river to a call - check, and I probably wouldn't do it on a board with a FD)
      I'm no expert on balance either, and but I think you're having enough bluffs with your non-ace FDs, straight draws, sets 2 pairs, trips raising range on the turn, to have to need to include your medium pocket pairs. I think I heard somewhere your turn bluffing(drawing) range should be up to 50%.

  • @ziggyzaooo
    @ziggyzaooo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Caller was the sucker at the table but didnt realize it

    • @mastyer0fReality
      @mastyer0fReality 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love how the high guy just rips trips no kicker and gets paid. Sounds like the AA guy is in his 2nd year of poker.

  • @connman8d617
    @connman8d617 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When a loose passive player raises the river and you're not strong enough to fist pump call then you should fold. Like, you're obviously not folding KK/TT/76 here but I think you could probably fold just about everything else. 98 is probably a sigh/call as is 6x.

  • @williamzagarella8066
    @williamzagarella8066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Straddle Jams
    Bart: By the way, i didnt know that.
    After reading the email about the hand and agreeing to allow this caller on the show. Had no clue what was going to happen was the topic i wanted to talk about🤣🤣🤣
    Im just playing i love messing with you. Really quality show and i honestly get a really lot out of your show. It has improved my poker game greatly. Really appreciate it.

  • @tobiasgwiggner759
    @tobiasgwiggner759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dont understand why the six wasnt expected
    The straddler's range is so whide he could have so much sixes in his range or am i wrong?

    • @antontzonev1194
      @antontzonev1194 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tobias Gwiggner He could have a lot other crap as well.

  • @MrDanDant
    @MrDanDant 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If the guy is so sticky like this one, I'm just check/calling or check/folding the river (depending on the price I get). Three reasons for it: a) I want to keep virtually all the value from the busted draws as he is deffinitely draw heavy (he has all the 45, 85 and busted two spade combos). Even if he checks back like QsTs, AsTs, etc. (hoping for some showdown equity), I kind of extracted all the value there was earlier. b) He rarely checks back like kings up. c) A lot of monsters I don't beat will bet small giving me a fair price.

  • @jackstephens2165
    @jackstephens2165 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis. The villain bluffs here are AQ, AJ, QJ spades. The only hands the hero can call with are KK and maybe AA and those bluff hands block hero’s calling hands.

    • @zacharyjimenez5021
      @zacharyjimenez5021 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has 54 off suited 2 combos there is a couple more out there

  • @FefeLeVrai
    @FefeLeVrai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd still fold, but i don't mind the call since you could be facing an overplayed KT or K7. Aces still have the surprise element of beating these hands, which could think they're good if you have a king.

  • @TheHardRockG6
    @TheHardRockG6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where Is This Game At?

    • @bkgangstapianist
      @bkgangstapianist 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jeremy Parx in bensalem PA a little north of Philly.

  • @Optable
    @Optable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Caller: Would this guy ever be capable to jam here?
    *3 seconds later*
    Caller: So he jams

  • @CanadianLoveKnot
    @CanadianLoveKnot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Villain should never jam there, it's just a call, even if he had a straight, it's still too thin to jam imo. Unless the Villain is a thinking player and had a read or something, what happens if hero had flopped a set of KKs or 77s, and boated up on the turn?

    • @mastyer0fReality
      @mastyer0fReality 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hero here is going ham with a pair. Maybe this high donkey was observing him earlier, he knew he had AK AA KK but theres only 3 combos of KK. sounds to me like the high donkey knew hero couldn't make it 110 pre with 77. I dont think he could.

  • @aceking5360
    @aceking5360 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I screwed up real bad last night. I min raised to $30 with QQ and ghost raised to $130 and called. Then the guy in between called and I called the flop was J high and I went all in and was against JJ AA and got no help

  • @c.n.7130
    @c.n.7130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    On the river i would bet 500/550 and fold

  • @CrookedCommish
    @CrookedCommish 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s a real tough spot. If guy had AK or K10 & thinks if hero has a K as well villain can make that same bet and get paid. Especially if his perception at the table is a loose player or someone who’s high so there for not focus on the game. Great video

  • @stevenundisclosed6091
    @stevenundisclosed6091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "You know."

  • @parsonsdozens3758
    @parsonsdozens3758 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:09: Largest cup ever.

  • @Gamingkeyboard123
    @Gamingkeyboard123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would think the AK would be more of a bet call than AA

    • @crazydonkey110
      @crazydonkey110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      why do you think that? with AK we also lose to over played K 10 or K 7 even which i see pretty often in some games.

    • @Gamingkeyboard123
      @Gamingkeyboard123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because you block full houses with a king in your hand. I don’t think villain is raising k10 on the river

    • @01bellamy
      @01bellamy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Gamingkeyboard123 which full house with a king? K6cc? Imo to unblock a king is great cause he will have more Kx combos to call. thats all day all night a bet fold at the river and if you mind to check call the river then only to a small size to this loose/passive player

    • @Gamingkeyboard123
      @Gamingkeyboard123 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      KK and K6cc. I agree with the bet fold line, but if you are looking at which hands are better to call down with, calling with a king would be better than AA

  • @GetOffTheLawn
    @GetOffTheLawn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone have an idea, guess, any info on when poker will start back up in Vegas?

    • @calfan8838
      @calfan8838 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m guessing June, at the earliest. But even when it opens, you have to ask yourself how comfortable will you feel sitting shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of strangers given that the Corona virus will still be circulating in the population to some extent. I’ve always been able to force myself not to think about the questionable hygiene practices of many poker players sitting at the tables, but I don’t think I can ignore it any longer. Every time I’d rake a pot I’d be thinking about who was touching my chips, how they’ve been eating at the table, and whether they’ve washed their hands in hours.

    • @keithsavage8711
      @keithsavage8711 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It will start up after the coronavirus is over

    • @phillewis7430
      @phillewis7430 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Flamingo is saying they are reopening May 1, subject to change

  • @karlinchina
    @karlinchina 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If the guy is high he might think KT is the nuts and that he can get called by AK and KQ.

    • @lookdonttouchx
      @lookdonttouchx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he said high not braindead.

    • @shadowsmessage
      @shadowsmessage 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol AA & 66 are the nuts KT doesn’t make any sense

    • @mastyer0fReality
      @mastyer0fReality 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shadowsmessage AA is like the 7th nuts.

  • @jc624
    @jc624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you know

  • @kennyvoller5419
    @kennyvoller5419 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would think that a check call with this type of player is the right move...

  • @keithkelso9872
    @keithkelso9872 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every caller says the villain is an awful player. People in general are delusional

  • @mastyer0fReality
    @mastyer0fReality 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would've checked the river with the 7th nuts.

  • @brucejsanchez
    @brucejsanchez 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just because I would fold this hand to this board and this person doesn’t mean I’d fold it to another person

  • @guybrushthreepwood8174
    @guybrushthreepwood8174 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍 I totally get it I bet I call there too

  • @KingKoin88
    @KingKoin88 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ppl under estimate mid bottom peal that stacks u. Pot that sh1t on the flop

  • @lfgamble3924
    @lfgamble3924 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The last time i watched THIS video. I started playing like a poker god.. just fuggin winning. And i thought poker was ez. Switched to chess. Came back, and have playin like a tard.. appreciate the vid

  • @larrydomin200
    @larrydomin200 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like he's calling no matter what. Lesson learned...Even bad players wake up with hands sometime...

  • @madwillyak47
    @madwillyak47 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys seen the chisel your jaw workout? what a joke lmao

  • @kevincloonan9787
    @kevincloonan9787 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow 69cc I thought it would be 89ss

  • @williamklein6749
    @williamklein6749 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    7/6 too

  • @Couraginality
    @Couraginality 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    $400, the bet should have been $400.

  • @christophermanning6146
    @christophermanning6146 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The bet on river pot committed him. You can't be laying down an over pair on missed front door w/o the AofS in your hand imo. If you're calling a shove w/ that bet, then it's fine and I think you have to. You'd be insanely exploitable if you can just be re-re raised for 1/4 pot on the river. We go from 1270 to 5k on the river, which is far too much w/ just an over pair on a paired board. Personally I'm bet folding small (3-400) or checking to the likely bluffer in position to blast off on missed spades or KQ-KT value bet.

    • @01bellamy
      @01bellamy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In which wolrd are you living? I mean did you ever get bluffed in a similar spot to this one? Almost nobody bluffs in those spots where the tripplebarrle player comittet his self, be honest. End of the story nobody is trying to exploit you in this way

    • @jayjayhooksch1
      @jayjayhooksch1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@01bellamy yea, I have to agree, you're not getting exploited to a huge degree here on a bet-fold on this river; yes, it's way unbalanced, but the villain was described as being beyond a fish, to the point of maybe even being high. Unless you're playing a ton of hours with the other players on the table AND they are observant enough to have watched this hand from start to finish, bet-fold is fine here.

  • @ivanwong8281
    @ivanwong8281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    how was the 6 an innocent card

    • @FefeLeVrai
      @FefeLeVrai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The 6 ensures that hero has the best 2pair combination on this board, and doesn't complete any draw. It's a pretty good card to see. For example now he beats K7.

    • @KurreKlyyvarsson
      @KurreKlyyvarsson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Eric Cuevas Man no need to be so aggressive fella just wants to learn

    • @ivanwong8281
      @ivanwong8281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Eric Cuevas good explanation on why 6 is an innocent card

    • @thawk2007
      @thawk2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A nothing card is my mind means it doesn’t affect either players equity. A 6 is slightly better for IP as he has more 6’s in the range. I’m not saying it is enough to put on the breaks for bettting. A 8 of spades would be the worst on the turn and should mean switching to check call mode.

    • @mastyer0fReality
      @mastyer0fReality 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine a Q or a J on the turn. How does that feel when we have AA?

  • @spanky9753
    @spanky9753 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ⏰🃏⏰

  • @shadowsmessage
    @shadowsmessage 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s why I go all in with AA on flop & take the 250$ in the pot instead of losing 2.5K & going broke 😭😭. If the guy wouldn’t mind losing 2.5K & he would have never made this call & called the player donkey or passive. He got exploited by the guy & you should never put yourself in such a situation that you can be exploited by the best hand in the world

    • @sethno1ram1
      @sethno1ram1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wouldn't you lose tonnes of value in the long run with that strategy?

    • @jamiealexander7665
      @jamiealexander7665 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sethno1ram1 yeah, he sucks at this game.