WHY BLUFFING ON MICRO AND LOWSTAKES DOESN'T WORK (the REAL reason)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ธ.ค. 2024
- With all the talk around GTO, balance, randomising and so forth, sometimes it's easy to forget the crucial fundamentals for becoming a true tournament beast. Today Bencb takes us through one of the single most vital tips to remember when playing at lower stakes!
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Playing microstakes is more about exploiting specific weaknesses against specific opponents at specific times.
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That would be the same on highstakes, cuz if u don't, u won't win very much :). I'd say if a bluff will work not only depends on the cards your opponent has (or the stakes as is mentioned here), but more the player personally. To my expierence it won't work necessarily better or worse in micros. But playing for pennies once u played a lot higher, wouldn't motivate me much and I would probably waste my stack cuz of becoming careless if u can hardly lose anything.
FR. Plus, in higher stakes when you raise a premium you just get all folds a decent percentage of the time, whereas in micro stakes its very rare to take a pot down preflop outside of the final few tables. You just print with all of your value so much more in micros its unreal.
I think that when people bluff in general they do not use the right combo's for the specific board texture and end up overbluffing even when they think they're not, and as a result of this they get called too often. I find myself bluffing very little in big pots but with a high success rate when I do it, just gotta have the heart to pull the trigger whenever one of these rare spots show up.
Bet-folding at micro stakes is a great weapon to squeeze out value, population very rarely raises as a bluff I find
I love the intro when he says he's gonna hunt down the chat pros lol great sound bit
Ben I love watching your videos for both the good information and the dry comedy. You probably don't know how funny you are. Cheers
Very nice video Ben, as always.
Clear and to the point, a great tip.
You are a true inspiration.
My winrate has improved so much because of your video's and the tournament masterclass course i bought.
I can not thank you enough, it was the best poker investment i ever made and it's not even close.
Keep doing what you are doing,
Greetz, Frans
(the Netherlands)
right on point when i first started playing microstakes MTTs and i was very profitable from the start playing a tight-aggressive game then as i played and started understanding some tendencies and weaknesses those players had i was able to make very very strong reads on them and mixed up a lot of bluffs but would get called too many times by stuff like 3rd pair , a weak pocket pair , a high even when they made a donk blocker bet on the river and I 4-5x theyd still call with hands that arent even supposed to limp . play tight play confident play strong hands from strong positions make greedy value bets especially before the river and find thin value on rivers exploiting stations even harder, thats the way to go
+lots of volume, for some reason i found micro tours to be a gold mine in my 2nd or 3rd day of playing that i burnt through my 20$ deposit getting busted preflop in almost all my entries by hands like A7, 33, A6, Q10, J9 etc and that turnt out to be true because they kept calling with such hands the days after and i was printing
My problem is that I do valuebet thin on the river, but I often can not let go of the hand when I get raised (4bet pot pre, AA on J949K). So the thinvaluebets range becomes a bluffcatcher as well. Hasn't worked out very well since people dont bluff raise rivers at small stakes.
Just fold it :)
Its not a bluffcatcher.not even close as they aint bluffing bro!!!
Ben bating out the GTO warriors to increase engagement 500IQ 😏
Ben I think it's time for you to leave poker for good and pursue a career as graphic designer
Great content!
xDDD
Good point. But surely, if we're losing money on bluffs because our opponents check a lot of hands (don't value bet enough), we're making that money back with dividends by not losing money in spots where they're supposed to bet.
great video i would REEEEALLLY love to have just a liiiitle bit more specific examples of this maybe 1 or 2 PLLLLLLLEEEEEEAAAASE BEN love your work
can record a seperate video for that
@@RaiseYourEdge oohh man I think I speak for my poker brothers. I would be incredibly greatful for your time Ben 😃😃
@@RaiseYourEdge that would help players like me. thx for the video!
You just blew my mind 🤯 Ben thank you so much !! Amaaaazing video 🔥
What about the mindset in low stakes?
important, not only on low stakes, but also on micro mid and hjighstakes and life .)))
amazing video wow.. really mind blowing thanks bencb!
Hi Ben, excellent point. I play $5 online tournaments. Ppl are scaredy cats, they are not willing to put in thin river value bets. The other side of this tho is when you try to bluff them they show up with unexpectedly strong hands. I fired a river bluff the other day when checked to by the OOP preflop aggressor who had bet flop and turn. He snaps me off and rolls over top pair ace kicker on a board as dry as dust! So nitty.
He got 2 streets of value and let u bluff it for more value. If he had bet river too you would fold probably.
hahaha he reeled you in like a fish,why you tryin to bluff the pfr that double barreled?hahahaha
*Can someone summarize for me the main points, sorry my english is not good, thanks you and thanks Bencb*
In the microstakes mtt:
1. Choose value-betting on the river when you have a good enough hand instead of checking with fear that you will be raised (yes, sometimes you will be raised, but it is 10% of the times when opponents have a super good hand)
2. Don't do bluff-raising on the river, because opponents will not have enough bluffs in their betting range, so your raise will most of the times just get called and you will loose more money.
These are the main points.
@@ЕвгенийВоробьев-п2ш thx man
@@ЕвгенийВоробьев-п2ш thanks you ♥
@@RaiseYourEdge Phil Galfond and you are really kind and dedicated sharers for people who really want to learn about poker, poker mindset,... thank you very much for that ♥
Hi Ben is there any discount available for TMC expert owners who want to buy the mindset course?
Tbf bluffing seems to work fine at micro and low stakes from my experience. You aren’t going to get people make massive hero folds like maybe in higher stakes, but people fold plenty. Micro players fold to pressure. I would add that 1$ games seem to be the outlier tho. Ppl just get it in and gamble with anything. But 3-11$ range it does work fine
i think some call 3 barrels with 2nd pair and some like to see the river and fold then. others fold more on earlier actions. some are always betting when you check. try to find out what type of player you are up against
ya bluffing works just fine. He dont play cash games we can tell. Hes talking nonsense. And its actually tougher to bluff as you move higher in limits cause the higher you go the more money these guys have and they aren't afraid to lose. I seen insane calls at nose bleeds against me with just a blocker and bottom pair while i over bet shoved. They don't care if they believe you have more bluffs then value hands in your range they are calling where at the lower limits these nits will fold more often. People have it backwards thinking you can bluff at nose bleeds and not at lower limits. Its the other way around. AT nose bleeds they will do crazy value bets with like Q high. They understand ranges way better then the lower limit players that are nut peddling. ITs much different tougher more complex game. stacks are deeper too so your in much more complex situations. Trust me its easy to bluff at the lower limits compared to higher ones.
@@boomshakalaka8655 I believe that for sure
they overcall flop and turn and overfold river in my experience
It all depends. Players have different leaks on lower stakes. Doesn't usually work to bluff against the most sticky players. But all bad players aren't calling stations. Some are on the passive and tight side and overfold in certain spots.
overbluffing with blockers is my speciality on the micros^^ And my 2nd best skill: All-In-Merges :D
Haha.
It’s one of the funniest things to see on a funny afternoon micro stakes or low stakes PkO, is someone bluff what would be considered a good bluff, and then get called down, and the bluff shows.
I laugh out loud, cause you think, yeah, from a risk reward set of values. A pair of queens should have called that river bet.
But it’s microstakes or low stakes. I’ve found personality is way more important. You can bluff the weak players. And if they raise 9/10 they have a strong hand.
The key to bluffing low and micro is confidence. You show any weakness in your bluff, they will not buy it for a second. Timing tells are big on micro and low..
Can you explain the rakeback system on GG aswell? So every player can find out for themself wich site gives the better rakeback for them. Would be fair dont you think? Gg gives way more rakeback when you make the same volume as on stars.
What about the balance ben?
Wow edgy…
Fuck it
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Hey Armando, I had 10k bankroll and my buddy (pro) recommended that I buy the tournament master class if I was serious. I told him I do not want to spend $1400. However after doing a lot of research and knowing my hard work ethic, I decided to buy it. Today my bankrolls $80,000 and I dedicate a lot of my success to raise your edge. Basically I’m telling you to buy it.
@@MrZor7 geez that's a run up of your bankroll. Can I ask how many months/years that took you?
Hey Ben,
I guess with that video u mean mainly big river spots right?
I recently improved my winrate by bluffing at 5 NL on PS some of the time. Not against whales though.
Did I understand it the right way or would u not bluff at all at the mircos?
Great content as always :D
"Fuck It, I'm gonna hunt you down!" Lmfao!!!!! BENNNNNNN!!!!! gawddd thats funny
this paint demonstration XDDDD great video
years of experience ;)
Man ill tell people overcomplicate the micro's WAYYYY too much. There is only two things you need to do in order to consistently win in the micros, play tight, and when you have a good hand you play aggressive, if you get re-raised unless you got close to the nuts, fold. The only exceptions are when your playing very loose players where you might want to call if the board has no draws and you have a solid hand.
Other than this you need nothing else, you will win, albiet not too much but you will. People i've met overcomplicate things way too much and end up losing lots of money when this should be stressed as being the SOLE starter for playing poker.
After you consistently win for at least 10000 hands then start tweaking you strategy slightly and see how it works out. Bluffing at low stakes should be rare and its not really necessary.
I would say if anything bluffing 7/10 will lose you lots of money unless you know the guy your playing folds out unless he has the nuts, which in micros is rare. The people at the micros are callers, limpers, and will stop at nothing to see the next card.
It depends on what u call a bluff and how you do it
Ben is there a possibility of getting a refund on one of your courses if I found it insufficient/am not sattisfied w it? I have other courses on your site and I never asked for this, just so you know I'm not faking it.
Ben, i truly appreciate your videos and lessons, thank you!
One more thing i would like to add- and that also concerns psychology- raising OTR on the microstakes is almost useless (unless you have a strong read) not only because of ranges, lack of opponents' bluffs in their ranges and so on. What makes these raises really useless- is the simple and totally disconnected with logic and maths HUMAN INTEREST: "WHAT DOES HE HAVE... ALWAYS CAN BE A BLUFF...I CALL."
And this interest is one of the most important leaks on the micros, that thinking and serious players shall hardly and diligently exploit: less bluffs, more greedy valuebets.
- and hugs from Saint-Petersburg ; )
true man! Thanks for sharing!
But Ben we're not gonna be balanced then! Think about it please.
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I like when a solver kid tries to be smart and I just bet when they check 😂
then they just arent as balanced as they should be
found value!
happy for you :)
But Ben, we won’t be balanced.
Please hunt me down, I could use one on one coaching from a genius. In exchange, I could make your illustration about 10% better
че он говорит
But Ben we're not gonna be ballanced then :D
but Ben we're not going to be balanced then
Real reason is because it's cheap to call. Easier to bluff when it's very expensive to call.
I somewhat agree but only applies to fish. Regs at for example NL25 does not call because it's cheap
yup, exactly, 10$ is not enough to fold top pair weak kicker.
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But Ben, we’re not going to be balanced?
But Ben... 😳
but ben we are not gonna be balanced 😅🤣🤣
LOL