Should We Bluff Catch? Poker Strategy Analysis Revealed!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- In this in-depth 2/5 no limit poker hand review, we tackle the decision of whether to bluff catch. Our caller provides a hand history where he realizes a potential mistake made due to not properly assessing the value-to-bluff ratio compared to the pot odds.
In This Video:
Hand Review: Detailed analysis of the critical moments and decisions.
Bluff Catching Strategy: Evaluating when and why to bluff catch in live cash games.
Value-to-Bluff Ratio: Understanding its importance and impact on decision-making.
Pot Odds Calculation: How to assess pot odds to inform your decision.
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0:00 - Intro
1:59 - Preflop
4:33 - Flop
6:07 - Turn
8:29 - River
12:32 - Hero Decision
12:43 - Reveal
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Key point starts at 11:03. How you should think about pot odds compared to the value to bluff ratio
Villain's bluffing range can include JdJx and TdTx since some people might use those blockers in position. And can bet those on the flop to deny equity from ace highs and after turn they got added equity + blockers. All depends on villain's skill level and hero's image
There’s so many rivers that we hate that I might just fold on the turn tbh. Very likely there’s gonna be a 1 liner to a straight or a 4 card flush out there. Not only that, but we can be up against AQ and be out kicked. And of course villain can have all sets.
We should probably count the combos a little more carefully. There are 2 combos of AdK and 3 combos of AdJ. Then there is only 1 combo of QQ, 3 combos of 99, 3 combos of 77, and 3 combos of Axdd if we go down to ATdd. Maybe also 4 combos of JTs. And maye KJdd and KTdd. If V can have other, lower flush combos he can probably also have at least 3 more bluffs (AdT).
So I see 5 bluffs and 16 value, or 8 bluffs and maybe 22 or so value in the looser range. So this is pretty close, right around 3:1. Of course it's always possible that V is a lot wider on both ranges (which tends to favor a call) or that he is just bad and never bluff shoves river (which obviously favors a fold)
My home casino. Good call in
Me too!
Really liked the river analysis considering all the value he could have in this spot
I do think Bart missed out on some hands people might turn into a bluff like JJ or TT with one diamond.
It bugs me a little when Americans think things are cheaper (or in this case lower stakes) in Canada because of the exchange rate. Yes, they're cheaper for you, which is why Americans should come shop here I guess, but I get paid in Canadian dollars, so $5 is $5.
(Obviously they're mostly just having a laugh, no issues there)
I understand 5th Street chicken. On the flop, this starts to look like a hand that is a good reason to fold KQ from it of position to the preflop raise. That said, there is something to be saiid for a X raise on the flop, willing to fold to a reraise. I agree with those who suggested turn fold - BUT, if, like the caller, you’re going to try to bluff catch the river, I refer definitely leading out or check raising the turn to at least have fold equity (I’m old school and you don’t hear much about fold equity any more :) )
Given that live poker is so much player-based, I think it would be good to spend more time on vilain description before each hand.
Problem with that is villain descriptions are necessarily viewed through the viewer's lens, and quite possibly skewed or outright wrong. The math never changes. Discussion of player pools (what players at this level tend to be like) makes more sense from the perspective of making this a learning tool for viewers.
Good point of contention, but both points are worth making. Perception of villain AND general pop tendencies at varying stakes matter, and they matter to each other also.
Of course there is a bias. But nothing to compared to try to 3B bluff someone with 90% VPIP or bluff catch someone who never bluff. The perception is still a good factor.
Nah really playing right it doesn't matter.
@@ZyliahWarwell, that's more than half the ball game at any non-trivial stakes. if you routinely miss assess your opponents, even if you know the "right" adjustments to make, you won't be effective. Unless Bart is going to go in a Eastman "Beyond Tells" direction he can't say much about the accuracy of Heros reads.
But given the reads, he can say a lot about how we should optimize. So asking hero for details is great.
of course population reads are equally important for public games in casinos.
Pretty interesting bluff by opponent tbh. Solvers love bluff with small pairs in these spots, but they are pretty hard to find in real time bc in villains shoes, flop usually goes check check.
H is a CS.
Some players just have that neanderthal "PFR checked, me must blast" mindset. It's a pretty good equalizer for making seemingly -ev calls like this.
Love your videos!!!!
Props to villain turning 66 into a bluff.
Probably undeserved. He's probably a typical 2/5 player who puts everyone who 3 bets on AK every single time and took the turn check as him giving up.
_i'll comment as video goes_
PF: it's a fold; but 3!-bet to $100 is ok, too. However, if called, then PF alertness (planning ahead) must be more on winning the hand by forcing opponents out of hand (rather than going to a showdown).
F: c-bet to $120. A top pair K kicker while OOP must c-bet for maintaining his hand dominance and to test CO hand strength.
CO bets $105. I fold and never look back!! Except x/r (which I see no ground for it on this kind of board).
T: (as played on flop), this is check. Too late now to regain hand control nor to represent anything other than Flush, which might be dangerous now.
CO bets $250. Fold, fold fold. I might be owned here. This OOP is nothing but get off the freight train that picks up the speed while downhill.
R: (irrelevant to comment as hand totally wrongly played). For a sake of giving an opinion: FOLD. Unless you have reading him bluffing.(??). I don't see any bluffs as played.
_will reply to this comment after the hand revealed_
C) V has 66...I stay with to play as commented. V happen to have bluffed, however with no hand reading calling river shove is a losing on the long run.
Paused at 7:00.
Call me a nit but I'm folding the turn. Villain could have JT, a flopped flush or a flopped set. You're drawing dead to all those. Yes he has some bluffs possible, but not enough, and they all have pretty good equity, and a lot of villains in position will check back the turn with a draw and take the free card.
Pretty nitty to fold turn and a good opponent will just run over you in these spots.
If you're folding all Qx here, what are you calling with here, just flushes (only 2 combos), sets of QQ (3 combos), and straights (not sure how much JTs people 3b from the Sb)? You'll be way under defending in this node.
I would call with a diamond or a 10
@@TheNow_Nowa good opponent will not be present at 2/5. I’m not folding because i’m a station, but there’s a very good argument for it.
Turn call feels okay. River call definitely feels....iffy
@@TheNow_Now It's 2/5. The opponent is almost certainly not good.. Why are you also ignoring how many better one pair hands hero has? He has all the AA, KK, AQ. He also has Q9s and Q8s sometimes if he's playing proper ranges pre. He can also have 99. It's hardly just QQ, flushes, straights that are better than KQ for value. It's CO vs SB.
To me, on the turn this is 100% a fold or play fifth street chicken spot, and that would make the river a fold IMO. I do wonder how many xr’s we have on the flop to charge the multitude of draws.
Hey this is my home casino! The rake is garbage here. 😂
I don't really get this call at all - the turn is a trivially easy fold to me unless you know the villain is an absolute lunatic or a very good player (like a winning 5/10 reg waiting for a seat). He can have AQ, JT, 56, 98, 87, 78, 99, 77, 8d8x, a flush or a combo draw that has absurd equity anyway. We can also have a ton of those plus like AA, KK, AQ and QQ for better hands. We're so close to the bottom of our range that even bothers to continue on that flop.
Folding pre?😅
Haven't seen reveal yet.
Instant fold for me.
I woulda folded turn.
56 of diamonds was a hand I thought about that they didn't mention
Edit.
Clearly fold was wrong option on that occasion.
But longterm dunno
Bart clicks I click simple maths
The “tolls” thing is funny. If those tolls were COSTING the government money you know they would have on the spot pricing going on, but because they were taking in a fortune, all of a sudden it takes an act of congress to change to price 😂🤡
I’m folding the turn tbh
I'm folding pre flop to be honest
Before the reveal, I'm thinking JJ with a diamond, or KK with diamond. I would be tending to think this is stone cold nuts or a bluff.
After the reveal, that was a pure showdown bluff. And a good call. Honestly, not sure I'd get past the turn in this hand. If I was villain, I might play it out this way. Good Poker all around.
KK 4 bets pre at a very high frequency I’d have to imagine
@@CaNtHoNY127 No doubts there. My thoughts are Suited Connectors and pairs, the most obvious are KK and JJ, with a diamond. The fact that it was 66 also makes sense given the flop and turn, but I wasn't thinking that as hero. I would if I was villain.
As hero, I'm not sure I get past turn with a pair that often. I can see me playing 66d like this as villain.
Good Play by villain, good call (this time) by hero.
well, kk with a diamond is not stone cold nuts.
Def a fold
Too much of Villain's range is beating him. AQ no diamond is truly the bottom of Villain's value range
AQ bottom? Why?
@@pot_kivach160 The three bet pre is prolly value heavy
@@atfti So, is AK top of V range, then?
and the moral of the story is??????
The moral of the story is it ain't gay if you're pitching
I would fold unless I am sure that villain ia a capable player